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Credlin | 17 November · Credlin

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Speaker 1: Peter Krandland live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: But even great to have your coming as always, Here's
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Speaker 2: what's coming up tonight on Kredline with netzero Monkey off
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Speaker 2: the Coalition's back.
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Speaker 3: We'll speak with commentator Chris.
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Speaker 2: Yulman on how they tackle the task of explaining a
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Speaker 2: pretty complex emissions issue to voters, helping them understand just
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Speaker 2: how labors so called renewables transitions causing their bills to
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Speaker 2: hit unaffordable levels.
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Speaker 3: Now it's all doable, just like it was with the Voice.
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Speaker 2: You can turn around public opinion, but it's going to
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Speaker 2: be discipline and fight.
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Speaker 3: Are the Liberals up to it?
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Speaker 2: And just when they had started to turn things around
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Speaker 2: in Victoria, will the Liberals there? They're turning on themselves.
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Speaker 2: This is unbelievable reports in just tonight before we come
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Speaker 2: to wear that State Liberal leader Brad Batten has been
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Speaker 2: told he should stand aside with a leadership spill on
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Speaker 2: the cards as early as tomorrow. Now I'll stay across
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Speaker 2: this during the show. I'll remind you in fact that
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Speaker 2: Baton is ahead of the current premier, but they want
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Speaker 2: him to go. They're going to challenge him in the
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Speaker 2: current Deputy Sam groth holes met the astounding intervention too
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Speaker 2: by a labor appointed bureaucraft try and end the career
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Speaker 2: of you and official Breem Al Salem, who's been steadfast
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Speaker 2: in her supportive women and girls against the weight of
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Speaker 2: the trans lobby. The brilliant Senator Claire Chandler on that
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Speaker 2: coming up, Klaus. Slowly but surely, safeguards around euthanasia laws
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Speaker 2: are being eroded away Victoria voting to pass a members
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Speaker 2: that have got doctors deeply worried, and it's coming to
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Speaker 2: a state near you and any merit too. In the
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Speaker 2: reports that moderates are moving against Susan Lee.
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Speaker 3: I think that's true, but we'll get into that too.
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Speaker 4: In timent, the people are entitled to have their views.
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Speaker 4: I'm not here for a sense of ego about me.
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Speaker 4: Can I be really clear about that. I've been underestimated
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Speaker 4: a lot of my life.
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Speaker 3: Goodness me.
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Speaker 2: A little party doesn't reign, but a pause first, though,
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Speaker 2: credit where credit's due. Susan Lee is given the coalition
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Speaker 2: and energy and Admissions policy that could not be more
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Speaker 2: different than labors.
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Speaker 4: We will prioritize affordable energy for households and businesses. And
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Speaker 4: this is just so important I look at the sort
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Speaker 4: of world I want my grandchildren to inherit and I
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Speaker 4: don't want it to be in Australia with a lower
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Speaker 4: standard of living than we have today. That's not fair
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Speaker 4: on the next generations.
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Speaker 2: That was a press conference on Sunday where the Liberal
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Speaker 2: Party position arrived at last week was then debated with
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Speaker 2: the National Party for a uniform coalition position, and Lee
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Speaker 2: hit the road today to get out there and campaign
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Speaker 2: to try and persuade voters that running our power supply
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Speaker 2: to reduce emissions rather than delivery affordable and reliable power
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Speaker 2: is simply mad.
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Speaker 4: Australians deserve a four energy and responsible emissions reduction and
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Speaker 4: the Coalition knows that you can have both, but we
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Speaker 4: will prioritize affordable energy. If energy is unaffordable, then everything
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Speaker 4: is unaffordable.
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Speaker 2: Now, Susan leed good on her She's taken the advice
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Speaker 2: of lots of her colleagues, like Andrew Hasty AND's Enterprise,
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Speaker 2: who gave it to her pretty publicly, but she's also
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Speaker 2: taking the advice of other colleagues like Angus Taylor, who
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Speaker 2: has been at this issue privately, and advice from people
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Speaker 2: like me and many others who have given us given
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Speaker 2: her our views as well on that zero, and by
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Speaker 2: dumping it, she's gone against the so called moderates, the
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Speaker 2: facttion inside the coalition who gave her the numbers to
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Speaker 2: win the leadership. Now to do that takes courage, It
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Speaker 2: takes real moral courage. So having done what the majority
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Speaker 2: of a colleagues were demanding that she do, to dump
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Speaker 2: net zero, and having clearly persuaded herself that dumping that
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Speaker 2: zero was the right and necessary thing to do well,
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Speaker 2: the opposition leader deserves support. Demanding that leaders show leadership
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Speaker 2: then rejecting them when they do well, that would be
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Speaker 2: a real failure of character. So how true are those
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Speaker 2: stories today that our own left wing faction wants to
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Speaker 2: roll her? Well, that was certainly the line in the
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Speaker 2: Australian newspaper this morning reporting that so called moderate MPs
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Speaker 2: were about to swap their allegiance to Andrew Hasty because
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Speaker 2: Susan Lee ultimately backed dumping that zero after that exhaustive
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Speaker 2: party room process.
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Speaker 3: So how true is it?
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Speaker 5: Well?
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Speaker 2: Not so accurate my read from the cause I've made today,
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Speaker 2: there's certainly no move against her this year, and with
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Speaker 2: only one sitting week left, the mechanics are that you
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Speaker 2: need all the MPs in Canberra for a party room
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Speaker 2: meeting to have a party room spill.
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Speaker 3: Now, there's no sense that's going to happen.
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Speaker 2: Indeed, we've got one week to go, and earlier today
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Speaker 2: you've got a couple of the key moderates out there
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Speaker 2: issuing a statement of support behind Susan Lee. But the
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Speaker 2: speculation or that isn't helpful given the big job. The
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Speaker 2: coalition has a head of itself to go out there
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Speaker 2: and explain why NAT zero had to go and my
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Speaker 2: labor hanging on to it is hurting people, hurting industry
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Speaker 2: and hurting our country. Now, when people ask me do
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Speaker 2: I miss working in politics, come on, Peter, don't get
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Speaker 2: back into politics.
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Speaker 3: In many respects, I do miss it.
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Speaker 2: I certainly miss policy work, and I certainly miss feeling
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Speaker 2: as are you you're in a place where you're really
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Speaker 2: making a difference to our country. But when I read
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Speaker 2: stories like this, when I see these stories again, this
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Speaker 2: is what I don't miss about politics. The fickle and
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Speaker 2: the shallow MP's backgrounding journalists not willing to put their
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Speaker 2: names to any criticism, or they're the kind of people
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Speaker 2: who give public life a bad name, and they breed
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Speaker 2: contempt for politicians. Frankly, they're the sort of weak characters bedwetders.
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Speaker 2: I call them the bedwetders who should be shown the door.
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Speaker 2: Because to win on this whole energy debate, the Liberals
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Speaker 2: must unite. They must turn their attention away from all
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Speaker 2: their internal bitching and moaning and focus relentlessly and only
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Speaker 2: on labor now.
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Speaker 3: They need to do the policy work too. On their
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Speaker 3: alternative it feels a bit half baked.
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Speaker 2: At the moment, and they also need to lift their
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Speaker 2: energy levels and really start to get out into the
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Speaker 2: community to explain and campaign now. It'll take time, just
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Speaker 2: as it took months of relentless campaigning against the Voice
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Speaker 2: to turn the tide in the polls with voters. So too,
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Speaker 2: it will take time to understand for people to understand
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Speaker 2: just how responsible net zero is for their increasing power
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Speaker 2: bills and just how few countries in the world are
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Speaker 2: actually signed up to this madness. Now labour thing could
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Speaker 2: be a great win if Australia gets to host next
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Speaker 2: year's You and Climate Conference in Adelaide. Actually, I think
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Speaker 2: it's more like a gift for the coalition right now
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Speaker 2: at this year's meeting in Brazil, almost two thirds of
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Speaker 2: the countries there have not provided their updated emissions targets,
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Speaker 2: and almost no global leaders are attending either, Unlike the
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Speaker 2: cavalcade of leaders we used to see at these UN
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Speaker 2: events when the Green religion was at at zenith, with
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Speaker 2: wars raging in Ukraine and the Middle East at a
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Speaker 2: very unpredictable China. Countries want to be energy strong and
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Speaker 2: prosperous now, not weaken poor. So this is the right
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Speaker 2: time for Susan leader campaign, because it's time we in
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Speaker 2: Australia woke up okay from one female leading doing her
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Speaker 2: best to female leaders behaving in ways that are beneath contempt.
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Speaker 2: In a series of brilliant pieces the Australians, jened Or
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Speaker 2: Brookson has exposed the way that Labour's Mean Girls weaponized
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Speaker 2: rape claims by former staff of Britney Higgins to bring
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Speaker 2: down the Morrison government. Prior to the twenty twenty two election,
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Speaker 2: Labour's senators Wong, Gallagher and Kenealy mounted a sustained attack
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Speaker 2: on Liberal Senator Linda Reynolds, alleging that she'd put protecting
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Speaker 2: her own reputation and that of the Morrison government ahead
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Speaker 2: of protecting the well being of a rape victim. Britney
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Speaker 2: Higgins now by all means attacked someone for doing the
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Speaker 2: wrong thing, but never never accused someone of a serious
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Speaker 2: failure when you don't know if that's true. Thanks to
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Speaker 2: a series of court cases and emails and text messages
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Speaker 2: that have all been exposed in the discovery process, it's
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Speaker 2: now crystal clear that Reynolds in her office did everything they.
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Speaker 3: Could to help Higgins. They offered a.
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Speaker 2: Counseling, they encouraged her to go to the police, and
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Speaker 2: they sacked her assailant. Higgins's story that she was denied
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Speaker 2: help was a fabrication deliberately designed to the Morrison government
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Speaker 2: as insubstantial seid a judge as a.
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Speaker 3: Column of smoke. But it was one eagerly.
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Speaker 2: Peddled by Labour's mean girls who were in on the
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Speaker 2: act and partied to the deception almost from the beginning,
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Speaker 2: as shown by documents in the court processes, that women
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Speaker 2: would use rape claims as a political battering ram against
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Speaker 2: a female political opponent, well, that makes a mockery of
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Speaker 2: Labour's attempts to hold onto the higher moral ground when
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Speaker 2: it comes to the treatment of women. They threw Reynolds,
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Speaker 2: a former Army brigadier and senator to the wolves, a
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Speaker 2: damage to health and destroyed her reputation, something that she's
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Speaker 2: only managed to get back after spending millions and millions
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Speaker 2: of her own money running this issue through the courts,
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Speaker 2: and its money as she's never likely to recover Gibbon.
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Speaker 2: Higgins is reportedly going to declare bankruptcy. Her husband, David
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Speaker 2: Shiraz well, he's already done that, and there's no word
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Speaker 2: on what's happened to her two point four million dollar
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Speaker 2: taxpayer payout. Now, given the emergence of these one secret
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Speaker 2: legal letters and emails, there should now be a proper
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Speaker 2: inquiry into this whole sordid episode, and for those.
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Speaker 3: Findings to be made public.
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Speaker 2: At the very least, Senators Wong and Gallagher deserve the
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Speaker 2: censure of their Senate colleagues, not just for wrongly tormenting
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Speaker 2: their liberal opponent, Linda Reynolds, but for victimizing their labor colleague,
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Speaker 2: the late Senator Kimberley Kitching, who we know trying to
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Speaker 2: stop their disgraceful behavior. For both of them, this is
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Speaker 2: a character failing of such magnitude that in a fair world.
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Speaker 2: It would end both their careers, and yet it says
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Speaker 2: a lot that under this Prime Minister, both these women
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Speaker 2: are in his inner sanctum. All right, let's go to
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Speaker 2: Camban Out for the headlines. Skinny's political reporter Trudy Macintosh.
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Speaker 6: Susan Lee is fighting to retain the Liberal leadership, declaring
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Speaker 6: She's been underestimated a lot in her life.
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Speaker 3: But I'm not going to lose focus on the things
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Speaker 3: that matter. So you're not worried.
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Speaker 6: No, the opposition leader is still facing internal dissent after
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Speaker 6: the coalition officially ditched its net zero target.
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Speaker 1: So you support one hundred percent Susan Lee's leadership. I
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Speaker 1: absolutely support the decision that we have made and I'm
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Speaker 1: not going to be drawn and be a commentator.
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Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, obviously it does look like people are positioning
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Speaker 5: themselves and I wouldn't be telling you the truth otherwise,
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Speaker 5: would I.
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Speaker 6: New polling in the Financial Review shows the coalition's primary
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Speaker 6: vote hitting a record low of twenty four percent.
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Speaker 4: I'm not interested in polling and I'm not interested in
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Speaker 4: public commentary about polling.
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Speaker 6: Two senior moderates told The Australian a majority of MPs
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Speaker 6: in the faction would vote for Andrew Hasty, not Susan
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Speaker 6: Lee if a ballot were held today. That sparked Anne
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Speaker 6: Rustin and Maria so Basik to release a joint statement
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Speaker 6: claiming the overwhelming majority of Moderate colleagues back Lee.
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Speaker 2: Every single one of the moderates that I spoke to
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Speaker 2: this morning supports Susan Lee as the leader of our
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Speaker 2: party in the.
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Speaker 6: Prime Minister dismisses suggestions Australia could co host next year's
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Speaker 6: COP summit with Turkey. The standoff over who hosts the
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Speaker 6: climate talk shows no sign of ending.
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Speaker 7: No, we won't be co hosting because co hosting isn't
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Speaker 7: provided for under the rules.
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Speaker 4: Is it wise use of taxpayers money to bring any
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Speaker 4: COP to Australia? And I hope the Prime Minister is
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Speaker 4: considering how hosting what I acknowledge from time to time
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Speaker 4: are important international discussions, how that benefits households and families
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Speaker 4: that are struggling.
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Speaker 6: Trudy McIntosh Sky News Canberra.
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Speaker 2: Right, you want to be now someone who knows a
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Speaker 2: fair bit about energy. Skys political contributor Chris Juelman will
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Speaker 2: stay with Netzo, but we'll look at the poline that's
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Speaker 2: out overnight from Redbridge. This is twenty four percent primary
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Speaker 2: there for the Liberals. We'll put that back up on screen.
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Speaker 3: That's where it was, Chris.
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Speaker 2: In the recent news poll more more ground gained though
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Speaker 2: to one Nation up for to eighteen percent. I think
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Speaker 2: that'd be a historic high for them. Labor's thirty eight
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Speaker 2: in their primaries strong given where they have over recent
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Speaker 2: years lost vote to the Greens. So a lot was
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Speaker 2: made of these numbers today, but they were out in
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Speaker 2: the field doing the polling at the same time that
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Speaker 2: the Liberals were, you know, bitching and moaning and.
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Speaker 3: Making their decision.
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't worry about the polling to be serious until
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Speaker 2: sort of February March next year. I think they've got
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Speaker 2: to get out into the marketplace. They've got to argue
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Speaker 2: the case as to why they needed to dump net
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Speaker 2: zero and why the government keeping it is hurting you
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Speaker 2: and hurting your business. I think that's really important, and
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Speaker 2: I think, just like the voice, that's going to take
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Speaker 2: some serious effort and a bit of time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, Peter, we'll look. It's hardly surprising that the Liberals
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Speaker 1: numbers would be bad given the division that we've seen
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Speaker 1: on show now for so long. They've been unable to
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Speaker 1: get their act together. Now what we saw over the
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Speaker 1: course of the weekend was finally the coalition of peering
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Speaker 1: to get their act together. That is, at least they
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Speaker 1: are now all on the same page, the National Party
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Speaker 1: and the Liberal Party on the same page. Obviously, there'll
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Speaker 1: be people who are deeply disappointed inside that Liberal Party
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Speaker 1: room at the moment. They may well express their disappointment
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Speaker 1: different ways, but the party's position is now clear and
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Speaker 1: it is one that is defensible, So it is one
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Speaker 1: that they should now prosecute. It's now time for down
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Speaker 1: the torpedo's full speed ahead. The poles are bad for
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Speaker 1: the Liberal Party. What they should be looking to do
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Speaker 1: is how they turn those poles around. We know that
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Speaker 1: people do want to do something about the environment, they
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Speaker 1: do care about the climate, but they also care very
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Speaker 1: much about their hip pocket. The question has to be
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Speaker 1: asked how much they're prepared to pay for changing or
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Speaker 1: trying to change the way that we do transmission in
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Speaker 1: our electricity system. Now that's the big question. It is
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Speaker 1: can the Liberal Party make an argument that what we're
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Speaker 1: seeing with the rollout of this energy transition is actually
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Speaker 1: driving up electricity bills? Which it is. Can they make
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Speaker 1: the argument that it's not cheap and that it's not
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Speaker 1: green because we need so much of the landscape eaten
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Speaker 1: up by this form of power in order to provide
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Speaker 1: the power that we used to once enjoy, because we're
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Speaker 1: going from dense systems of power to very diverse systems
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Speaker 1: of power, dispersed systems of power. So I think the
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Speaker 1: argument is there to be made, and I agree with
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Speaker 1: what you said earlier. Gives Susan Lee a chance to
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Speaker 1: make that argument, and do not fight among yourselves, at
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Speaker 1: least for a little while. Let's see how this settles in.
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Speaker 1: Make the case, see if you can change people's opinions
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Speaker 1: rather than trying to ride the winds of their opinions.
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Speaker 2: And of course we're looking at what's happening around the world.
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Speaker 2: The rest of the world is not where we are.
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Speaker 2: They have moved into a completely different I think more
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Speaker 2: practical or rational lower emissions debate. We can change the
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Speaker 2: world's climate and the temperature from Australia's position alone, and
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Speaker 2: we're not realistic about what it's going to do to
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Speaker 2: our economy. We've got all the issues of geography which
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Speaker 2: you and I have talked about plenty of times here.
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Speaker 2: You know, we put these renewable assets out in the bush,
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Speaker 2: but we've got to really transmit the power into the
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Speaker 2: urban areas and that has a huge environmental implications. So
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Speaker 2: you look at what's happening in Brazil, these cop festivals,
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Speaker 2: and you know, they are talk fests. They are nothing
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Speaker 2: like the high level events they used to be chrisp
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Speaker 2: where they you know, go back to Copenhagen in two
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Speaker 2: thousand and eight, two thousand and nine and Kevin Right
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Speaker 2: and the focus on those events. Every world leader felt
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Speaker 2: they had to turn up. It dominated debate in our
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Speaker 2: own countries at the time. That's not the case now.
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Speaker 2: Most are not even turning up with their targets as
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Speaker 2: they are supposed to do. I think debate has absolutely
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Speaker 2: moved on, and we're stuck in the revision mirror, still
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Speaker 2: angling and fighting about net zero when most of the
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Speaker 2: world's not even talking about net zero.
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Speaker 1: It's clear that there's no way that these targets can
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Speaker 1: possibly be met. The International Energy Agency brought out its
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Speaker 1: World Energy out Looked last week, and when you look
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Speaker 1: at its scenarios, not even the International Energy Agency believes
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Speaker 1: this stuff anymore. When it talks about what you would
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Speaker 1: have to do now to try and get the globe
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Speaker 1: to net zero by twenty fifty. It's stretching the bounds
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Speaker 1: of feasibility, is what it says. Now it would be
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Speaker 1: an almost or actually an impossible task. So what we're
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Speaker 1: seeing is the rest of the world now has got
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Speaker 1: energy security really firmly in its science is what it wants.
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Speaker 1: Energy affordability is also hugely important and what and there's
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Speaker 1: a move away from concern about trying to cut carbon
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Speaker 1: emissions out of systems. Now that doesn't mean that that
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Speaker 1: people aren't moving that there will be a lot more
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Speaker 1: wind and solar put in the grids. But what Australia
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Speaker 1: needs to do is look at what it's best for
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Speaker 1: it and what targets it needs to set that are
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Speaker 1: comparable with the rest of the world. We're not talking
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Speaker 1: about stopping this stuff altogether. We're talking about what level
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Speaker 1: of wind and solo on a grid is a manageable
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Speaker 1: amount and what will help to keep the system both
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Speaker 1: stable and affordable, and certainly the track that we're on
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Speaker 1: at the moment is not doing that.
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Speaker 3: Well.
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Speaker 2: Let's go to the Liberal party. We're talking about liberals
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Speaker 2: and leadership the Liberal Party in Victoria. I was driving
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Speaker 2: into the studio and I got a call from someone
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Speaker 2: who said it's on. I said, it's on what federally?
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Speaker 2: I don't think that's right, and they said, no, no, it's
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Speaker 2: on in Victoria. I'm nearly ran off the road, I said.
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Speaker 2: Brad Baton is a head in the polls. They're finally competitive.
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Speaker 2: The biggest story in town, not the only story, but
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Speaker 2: the biggest story in town is lawa and ordering crime,
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Speaker 2: so much so that Jacintha. Rallen is out there with
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Speaker 2: a fake, sort of make believe announcement on a daily
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Speaker 2: basis because it's obviously poison internally in her polling. And tonight,
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Speaker 2: you know, an unnamed group went in a knocked on
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Speaker 2: each door and said, Brad Baton, you've got to stand down.
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Speaker 2: He says, well, I won't be standing down, and there
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Speaker 2: will be a leadership spill, we think as early as tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: And the front runner, Jess Wilson, I think she's, you know,
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Speaker 2: a good, decent sort of new entered into the Parliament.
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Speaker 2: She's just taken on the job of Shadow treasure I
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Speaker 2: think she's competent, but she hasn't even been in the
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Speaker 2: Parliament a term. This is her first term and her
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Speaker 2: name's being mooted as leader. Now, I think, as a
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Speaker 2: former cop in a place like Victoria, given one hundred
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Speaker 2: and fifty home invasions on average Chris a week, the
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Speaker 2: Liberals have somehow managed to look like they're determined to
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Speaker 2: lose next November's election.
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Speaker 1: Well, it passes all understanding to know why this is
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Speaker 1: going on at the moment, and you think about what's
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Speaker 1: happened to the Liberal Party in Victoria. This is their
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Speaker 1: third leader in less than a year, So that's hardly
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Speaker 1: a sign of stability as you're heading into an election year.
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Speaker 1: And clearly Jess Wilson is a woman who has some capacity.
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Speaker 1: But as you point out, she's in her first term,
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Speaker 1: she's thirty five years of age, she has plenty of time.
19:54
Speaker 1: Yet who knows what the underlying issues are that are
19:56
Speaker 1: undermining Brad Batten at the moment. But clearly, when you're
20:00
Speaker 1: heading into a fourth leader in the space of a year,
20:03
Speaker 1: the chances of you winning the next election would seem
20:05
Speaker 1: to be getting more remote rather than more likely. Now,
20:08
Speaker 1: no doubt there are geniuses inside the Liberal Party. He
20:11
Speaker 1: will tell you that this is all for the best.
20:13
Speaker 1: But this is a party that has been in government
20:16
Speaker 1: for four years this century. So something in that party
20:20
Speaker 1: is deeply broken, and it doesn't appear at the moment
20:23
Speaker 1: it's on the way to being vixed. But I'll defer
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Speaker 1: to you, Peter, this is the branch that you know
20:28
Speaker 1: extremely well. You know you can explain to me what's
20:31
Speaker 1: going on down there, because to an outsider it appears
20:34
Speaker 1: to be completely incomprehensible.
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Speaker 3: Chris.
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Speaker 2: I thought it couldn't get worse when they lost the
20:41
Speaker 2: unlosable election to Daniel L Andrews, after a Victorian's being
20:45
Speaker 2: locked down harder and longer than anywhere else in the world.
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Speaker 2: But they managed to lose it then, and I fear
20:52
Speaker 2: that's where they're headed if they go down this path tomorrow.
20:54
Speaker 2: But we will see. We'll come back to that issue. Chris,
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Speaker 2: thank you. Let's go down to what is big news.
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Speaker 3: Around the world.
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Speaker 2: It would appear that an Australian bureaucrat was running a
21:04
Speaker 2: campaign against the UN's Special Raponteur on Violence against Women.
21:10
Speaker 2: Her name is Reem al Salem, and it goes a
21:13
Speaker 2: lot deeper than initially thought. Last week it was reported
21:16
Speaker 2: that Australia's Sex Discrimination Commissioner, Anna Cody had queried whether
21:21
Speaker 2: any influence could be used to block al Salem's reappointment.
21:25
Speaker 2: This is by the un because she had intervened on
21:29
Speaker 2: issues of trans women and their rights. Well Over the weekend,
21:32
Speaker 2: the plot thickened Freedom of Information documents revealing that the
21:36
Speaker 2: government's handpicked ambassador for gender equality this is a woman,
21:41
Speaker 2: Stephanie Copis. Campbell, told a group of public servants that
21:46
Speaker 2: al Salem had quote taken a fairly difficult position on
21:48
Speaker 2: transgender rights in a way that doesn't conform with our views.
21:54
Speaker 2: Now the rest of that conversation was redacted from the
21:56
Speaker 2: transcript on the basis of its disclosure potentially damaging international
22:03
Speaker 2: relations to the Commonwealth, but that much was told to
22:07
Speaker 2: us in the FOA documents going to be now, someone
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Speaker 2: who has followed this closely liberal Senator for Tasmania, Claire Chandler, Claire,
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Speaker 2: thank you, Stephanie Campbell. Her time in the role ended
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Speaker 2: in August, but she came out with that position that
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Speaker 2: al Salem's views defending women and girls do not conform
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Speaker 2: with our views. Do we take that to be the
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Speaker 2: government's position? The Albanesi government's position.
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Speaker 8: Well, Peter, I don't think there's any other conclusion that
22:43
Speaker 8: we can really make here, and you only have to
22:45
Speaker 8: look at the commentary of some other prominent labor figures
22:49
Speaker 8: in this area to know that this is the true
22:52
Speaker 8: view of labor governments and indeed the Albanesi government. Here
22:55
Speaker 8: in Australia, we have Julia Gillard, our first female labor
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Speaker 8: former Prime Minister, saying that answering the question of what
23:03
Speaker 8: is a woman is a gotcha parlor game. We have
23:06
Speaker 8: Peter Malanowskis the premiere labor again in South Australia, saying
23:11
Speaker 8: that these issues aren't niche issues in reference to a
23:15
Speaker 8: biological male being housed in a women's prison in South Australia.
23:20
Speaker 8: And you have Anika Wells, the Federal Sports Minister, saying
23:24
Speaker 8: that there is no need for clarification in the Sex
23:26
Speaker 8: Discrimination Act to ensure that women and girls have access
23:31
Speaker 8: and the ability to run their own sport, when we
23:33
Speaker 8: know that that is indeed not the case. So I
23:36
Speaker 8: think it's high time for ministers, the Prime Minister indeed,
23:40
Speaker 8: to stop sort of ducking and weaving on this issue
23:42
Speaker 8: and actually tackle it head on. If I've completely misrepresented
23:46
Speaker 8: Anthony Albanese's view here. Then I think he should come
23:48
Speaker 8: out tomorrow and clarify exactly how he feels about these issues.
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Speaker 8: But I fear that what his bureaucrats are saying, as
23:55
Speaker 8: you've just referenced, absolutely aligns with his personal view.
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Speaker 2: And let's remember Ana Codys. So she is the sex
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Speaker 2: discrimination commissioner on the Human Rights Commission. You took it
24:07
Speaker 2: a task at sent and estimates. I mean she's got
24:11
Speaker 2: I think, quite conflicted about her defense of women.
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Speaker 3: Have a listen.
24:18
Speaker 2: So I think we have different language that perhaps you're
24:21
Speaker 2: using than I would use.
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Speaker 4: So I don't understand the term biological men.
24:27
Speaker 2: I mean you've got to ask questions as to why
24:29
Speaker 2: she still has her job.
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Speaker 8: I think that's a very fair question to ask, Peter.
24:35
Speaker 8: I think that any person who's taking on the role
24:38
Speaker 8: of sex discrimination commissioner of our country should be able
24:42
Speaker 8: to answer a few basic questions. Do you understand what
24:45
Speaker 8: a biological woman is? Do you understand what a biological
24:48
Speaker 8: man is? Do you understand why the law should recognize
24:51
Speaker 8: these differences? But as you've just demonstrated in that clip,
24:54
Speaker 8: Anna Cody has proven time and time again that she
24:57
Speaker 8: is unwilling to recognize biological reality, and I'm willing to
25:01
Speaker 8: recognize people like Remusalem who promote this very important idea
25:06
Speaker 8: that women and girls have the rights to their own
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Speaker 8: spaces and services based on their biological.
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Speaker 3: Sex, and that that's a good thing.
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Speaker 8: That's something that we should all be promoting.
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Speaker 3: I do think it's extraordinary.
25:17
Speaker 2: Not every time we have this conversation the Liberal party
25:20
Speaker 2: gets ticked off by labor. Labor says to them, you
25:22
Speaker 2: know you don't do the right thing by women. You
25:26
Speaker 2: know you need to have quotas, like we've got quotas.
25:28
Speaker 2: I'm looking behind you and there's a picture of Margaret Thatcher,
25:31
Speaker 2: who of course was elected without a quota in sight.
25:34
Speaker 2: But you know they're demanding you have quotas. It's all
25:37
Speaker 2: a fig leaf of care and concern for women's rights,
25:41
Speaker 2: because you can go through at a state level. We've
25:43
Speaker 2: just discussed that in relation to balanascars. You can look
25:46
Speaker 2: at what's happening in Victoria, where kindergarten children are asked
25:49
Speaker 2: for their pronouns for goodness sake, where they can be
25:52
Speaker 2: transitioned away from their born gender without the parents having
25:57
Speaker 2: any knowledge, by their school and the school teachers, and
26:00
Speaker 2: you've got this stuff, this concerted campaign now at a
26:03
Speaker 2: federal level. I mean, Labor like to say they support women,
26:09
Speaker 2: but when you get to the practical nuts and bolts,
26:11
Speaker 2: they absolutely do not.
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Speaker 8: That's exactly right, Peter, and I have lost count of
26:18
Speaker 8: how many times I've been contacted by women across the
26:22
Speaker 8: country who have identified themselves to me as traditionally being
26:25
Speaker 8: of the political left, saying that they feel so left
26:28
Speaker 8: down by left parties in this country, whether that's the
26:31
Speaker 8: Labor Party or indeed the Greens, because we both know
26:34
Speaker 8: that those two parties have been completely overrun with this
26:38
Speaker 8: mad gender ideology. So it's rank hypocrisy from the Labor
26:43
Speaker 8: Party to say that they are the party that defends
26:46
Speaker 8: women when they don't actually defend the biological definition of women.
26:52
Speaker 3: Just a quick one before we go.
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Speaker 2: Labor created this position of an ambassador for First Nations people.
26:57
Speaker 2: I can't see any merits at all to represent Australian
27:01
Speaker 2: Aborigines on the world stage. Four hundred thousand dollars is
27:05
Speaker 2: the salary About two hundred and fifty thousand dollars has
27:08
Speaker 2: been spent by the incumbent at Justin Muhammad over the
27:13
Speaker 2: last couple of years, he's just as I said, been extended.
27:16
Speaker 2: Given that only four of the fifteen closing the gap
27:19
Speaker 2: targets have been met, surely that's a better place to
27:22
Speaker 2: spend the money rather than on the first class ticket
27:26
Speaker 2: around the world for Justin Muhammad.
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Speaker 8: We're talking about rank hypocrisy, Peter, and I think there
27:33
Speaker 8: can be no greater example than this, right, I mean,
27:36
Speaker 8: the Labor Government under Anthony Albanesi has time and again
27:39
Speaker 8: told us over the last three and a half years
27:42
Speaker 8: how they want to make life better for Indigenous Australians,
27:45
Speaker 8: and yet they are spending exorbitant amounts of taxpayer money
27:50
Speaker 8: on things like this which are so clearly not improving
27:54
Speaker 8: outcomes for Indigenous Australians. I'm sure if you asked my
27:58
Speaker 8: colleague in the Senate, just Namberjimber Price, how this sort
28:02
Speaker 8: of you know, one hundreds of thousands of taxpaid dollars
28:05
Speaker 8: could be better spent on the ground in indigenous communities,
28:08
Speaker 8: she'd come up with some pretty good ideas.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, talk about localism. That's what they wanted with the voice,
28:14
Speaker 2: and they have absolutely nothing of that in practical reality.
28:18
Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, thank you.
28:19
Speaker 3: Claire.
28:19
Speaker 2: After the break, local farmers pushed back as power companies
28:23
Speaker 2: begin entering their private land.
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Speaker 3: This is the.
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Speaker 2: Renewable's role at and there was a big showdown over
28:29
Speaker 2: the last couple of days. We'll talk to a farmer
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Speaker 2: at the cold base. There plus little known changes to
28:34
Speaker 2: euthanasia laws that have doctors very concerned.
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Speaker 3: Welcome back.
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Speaker 2: A former head of the AMA will join me for
28:44
Speaker 2: concerns that heving other doctors share in relation to Victoria
28:49
Speaker 2: winding back a number of the euthanasia safeguards. Now this
28:52
Speaker 2: has the impact of really damaging the protections for vulnerable people.
28:58
Speaker 2: And once in Victoria, of course, you know we'll be
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Speaker 2: in other states. Please, it's an important topic. We'll get
29:03
Speaker 2: to that in a moment. But now to the astonishing
29:05
Speaker 2: situation that's unfolding along the V and I West route.
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Speaker 2: This is the massive transmission line between Victoria New South
29:13
Speaker 2: Wales to connect all of these potential renewable energy projects.
29:19
Speaker 2: Legislation was pushed through the state parliament just recently and
29:22
Speaker 2: it's granted power companies is a private company's the right
29:26
Speaker 2: to enter a farmer's land without consent. As part of
29:30
Speaker 2: the planning for this interconnector. Last Friday, landholders in the
29:35
Speaker 2: area rushed to the aid of a fellow farmer after
29:38
Speaker 2: a VIC grid officer forcibly entered his land, and again
29:43
Speaker 2: today similar scenes as power company representatives were confronted by
29:46
Speaker 2: local farmers refusing entry at greens Creek and Bungalooke.
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Speaker 3: Glendemere.
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Speaker 2: Farmer sheep producer Ben Duckson was part of today's protest
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Speaker 2: and he joins me now, Ben, thank you for your time.
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Speaker 2: My viewers are absolutely white hot about what's happening in
30:05
Speaker 2: Western Victoria in particular, and the way that all of
30:09
Speaker 2: your private land rights appear to be just disregarded, legally disregarded.
30:16
Speaker 2: Give me a sense of what's happened over the last
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Speaker 2: couple of days.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, pretty similar out here as well, Peter. So obviously,
30:23
Speaker 5: as you said V and I Wes, we've been in
30:24
Speaker 5: this fight for three years. They're trying to bulldoze their
30:27
Speaker 5: way through our farms out here. The locals are fed
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Speaker 5: up with it. We've always pushed back on it and
30:33
Speaker 5: we're continually to push back. We'll stand with fellow farmers,
30:37
Speaker 5: with the community, with every energy consumer in Australia, every
30:41
Speaker 5: taxpayer in Australia. We're denying access to the Victorian government.
30:46
Speaker 5: We're denying access to multi billionaires, to former politicians, to
30:52
Speaker 5: ebed Roller, the Spanish company that's been granted the license
30:56
Speaker 5: to build this massive V and I West. None of
30:59
Speaker 5: this is good for Australia. The truth starting to come out.
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Speaker 5: We're playing a role out here will deny access and
31:05
Speaker 5: we certainly won't let them into our farms.
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Speaker 2: And of course the Parliament in Victoria remind people past
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Speaker 2: legislation with some pretty hefty fines every time you lock
31:15
Speaker 2: the gate.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, fines from twelve thousand for individuals, forty eight thousand
31:20
Speaker 5: for companies and they can come on with reasonable force
31:25
Speaker 5: as well. So yeah, we know what we've got to do.
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Speaker 5: We'll stand at the gate with fellow farmers, will build
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Speaker 5: this as it gets bigger. If they try and get
31:33
Speaker 5: more and more power, we'll certainly push back with more
31:35
Speaker 5: and more people. And as you said, it's a pretty
31:38
Speaker 5: white hot issue out here and we're certainly just not
31:40
Speaker 5: putting up with this. This is a sham of a policy.
31:43
Speaker 5: It's no good for any taxpayer. It's taking us down
31:46
Speaker 5: an economic slippery slope and we're just here to play
31:50
Speaker 5: our role and we'll certainly push back as hard as
31:52
Speaker 5: we can. We've unfortunately got four weeks of it in
31:56
Speaker 5: one of our busiest times of the year leading up
31:58
Speaker 5: to harvest at the moment, so they picked their times.
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Speaker 5: But pretty resilient group out here. We'll keep fighting.
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Speaker 2: And just remind people of the scale of this rollout
32:09
Speaker 2: and what it does in terms of you being then
32:12
Speaker 2: able to access and farm your land and particularly up
32:14
Speaker 2: your way, the inability of say, aerial fire fighting as
32:18
Speaker 2: we head into summer. I just spoke to the CFA
32:20
Speaker 2: on the show last week saying this could be in
32:22
Speaker 2: Victoria back to sort of black Saturday sort of conditions
32:26
Speaker 2: given the load that the fire load on the ground
32:29
Speaker 2: already and the predicted dry temperatures. Again, remind people of
32:34
Speaker 2: what's at stake in that respect.
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Speaker 5: It's massive for communities out here. We're out in the
32:40
Speaker 5: open out here. Any fire gets going, it gets a
32:43
Speaker 5: massive run on and you know you've got this great,
32:46
Speaker 5: big transmission line that splits Victoria in half. You can't
32:50
Speaker 5: go underneath it. The safety concerns out there are real,
32:55
Speaker 5: and as we've seen with pushback from CFA, community definitely
33:00
Speaker 5: definitely don't want any of this. And we can see
33:02
Speaker 5: from California just recently of yeah power line starting fires
33:07
Speaker 5: out here, so you know it has as a huge
33:10
Speaker 5: toll on actually fighting it, but it has a huge
33:12
Speaker 5: toll of people worrying as well into the future.
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Speaker 2: You must have been heartened by that to announcement last
33:18
Speaker 2: week for the Libels about opposing then zero and the
33:20
Speaker 2: National Party too at a federal level level, with one
33:24
Speaker 2: really clear position in relation to this renewables role out
33:27
Speaker 2: not anti renewables, but they're saying we can only take
33:30
Speaker 2: it and this includes transmission where communities give us a
33:34
Speaker 2: social license to operate.
33:37
Speaker 3: That's a game changer.
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Speaker 5: It's a bit of common sense, Peter. We don't see
33:41
Speaker 5: that often in Australian politics at the moment, so we're
33:44
Speaker 5: happy for that. We will certainly play our role in
33:46
Speaker 5: this and make sure that projects like this just don't
33:49
Speaker 5: get ahead. We can't afford it. Let's let's just stop
33:52
Speaker 5: and let's get a let's get a power project grid
33:57
Speaker 5: that's going to last us one hundred and two hundred
33:59
Speaker 5: years into into the future. This is no way to
34:02
Speaker 5: treat farmers, it's no way to actually treat your food producers.
34:06
Speaker 5: Your fire producers, your producers of agricultural products. We're just
34:09
Speaker 5: out here, intergenerational farmers love farming and they've certainly come
34:14
Speaker 5: up with some pretty mighty resistance out here. Think they
34:17
Speaker 5: think they can buy us that with money. That's not
34:19
Speaker 5: an interest to anyone out here. We just want to
34:22
Speaker 5: farm our land and be protected in doing that. Getting
34:25
Speaker 5: on with the job of farming for Australia and the
34:27
Speaker 5: rest of the world.
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Speaker 3: And you, Ben, keep up the fight.
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Speaker 2: You've got a lot of people behind you, whether they're
34:32
Speaker 2: farmers or not, whether it in the bush or not.
34:34
Speaker 3: They contact me so I know you've got a lot
34:36
Speaker 3: of support. As I said, thanks, all right. After the breaking.
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Speaker 2: Deeply controversial changes to Victoria's youth and asia laws, doctors
34:44
Speaker 2: are very very concerned. That's next, we'll go back to
34:51
Speaker 2: steal the car more in the Victorian leadership crisis and
34:53
Speaker 2: the Liberal Party, Brad Baton's position now in serious down.
34:57
Speaker 2: I'll have an update for you shortly. But first, on Friday,
35:00
Speaker 2: amendments were passed to Victoria's euthanasia laws and they haven't
35:03
Speaker 2: been in place long. There are already changes meaning doctors
35:08
Speaker 2: are no longer banned from bringing it up to patients
35:11
Speaker 2: as an option, even if the patients themselves do not
35:14
Speaker 2: mention euthanasia. These were changes that were opposed by a
35:18
Speaker 2: number of medical professionals who wrote to Victorian MPs noting
35:22
Speaker 2: that the state's five year review didn't recommend any changes
35:25
Speaker 2: at all, but here is amendments to the legislation. They
35:29
Speaker 2: also noted that while Victoria was the first state in
35:32
Speaker 2: the country to legalize euthanasia, other Australian states have followed
35:36
Speaker 2: and the so called Victorian safeguards have been carried through.
35:41
Speaker 2: But now those safeguards have been deemed as barriers to
35:45
Speaker 2: euthanasia access.
35:47
Speaker 3: The question is where will this end?
35:49
Speaker 2: And Canada safeguards have been gradually eroded to the point
35:53
Speaker 2: where you don't have to have a terminal illness there
35:57
Speaker 2: to be eligible for euthanasia. Someone who knows this from
36:00
Speaker 2: a medical viewpoint way more than I do is former
36:03
Speaker 2: federal Vice president at the AMA, former president of the
36:06
Speaker 2: Victorian AMA, and a senior specialist in emergency medicine, doctor
36:12
Speaker 2: Stephen Parnas. Thank you for your time. I'm urging my
36:16
Speaker 2: viewers to stay with me on this conversation because I
36:18
Speaker 2: think sometimes these difficult topics are ones that you want
36:22
Speaker 2: to sort of go and make a cup of teagle
36:23
Speaker 2: to change the channel. But for the grace of God,
36:27
Speaker 2: we could all be in this position. When these laws
36:30
Speaker 2: came in Stephen, we were told that there were safeguards,
36:33
Speaker 2: that it was really just to enable people who wanted
36:35
Speaker 2: to die with dignity to access a service that we
36:40
Speaker 2: didn't have in Australia, and that those who were vulnerable
36:44
Speaker 2: would not be under any pressure, that we'd have things
36:47
Speaker 2: in place to protect their valid choices. It feels like
36:52
Speaker 2: those safeguards now are gone.
36:54
Speaker 9: What were called safeguards in twenty seventeen are now being
36:57
Speaker 9: called obstacles. I said that would come to pass, and
37:00
Speaker 9: unfortunately that is the case. More and more people will
37:04
Speaker 9: be deemed eligible under these changes, and the momentum, if
37:09
Speaker 9: you like, for vulnerable people will be you should do
37:13
Speaker 9: the right thing, or the choice to access good palliative
37:18
Speaker 9: care or even things like a home care package for
37:21
Speaker 9: those who want to be in their home is getting
37:24
Speaker 9: harder to access. So what is being painted as a
37:28
Speaker 9: choice is being given where one choice becomes more prominent
37:31
Speaker 9: at the expense of others.
37:32
Speaker 2: So you're an old person in country Victorial let's say
37:35
Speaker 2: and you wait twelve months of war, and I know cases.
37:38
Speaker 2: A friend of mine's got a dad in Shepherd and
37:40
Speaker 2: he's ninety three. He's struggling to get a home care
37:43
Speaker 2: package and is by himself. That's a case where someone
37:46
Speaker 2: might wait a long long time they go, you know what,
37:49
Speaker 2: It's just as easy if I.
37:50
Speaker 3: Go down the path of that.
37:51
Speaker 5: Well.
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Speaker 9: I think these amendments will make that easier. And one
37:54
Speaker 9: of the few bits of information you can get out
37:56
Speaker 9: of the review Board's reports is that count Victorians are
38:00
Speaker 9: about twenty three percent of the population, but they access
38:04
Speaker 9: VAD thirty nine percent of the time. And that worries
38:08
Speaker 9: me because health outcomes are worse the further you are
38:12
Speaker 9: away from the center.
38:13
Speaker 2: So they're perhaps worried about what's going to happen over
38:15
Speaker 2: the next little while. Someone has raised or I've raised
38:19
Speaker 2: euthanasia option.
38:20
Speaker 3: That's probably the easiest thing to do.
38:22
Speaker 9: Now it becomes a seductive point to vulnerable people. I'm
38:28
Speaker 9: not worried about the wealthy person in East Melbourne who's
38:31
Speaker 9: got a university degree and is used to getting what
38:33
Speaker 9: they want. I'm worried about those people who don't speak
38:36
Speaker 9: English as a first language, who are isolated, who need
38:39
Speaker 9: good palliative or medical care and can't access it, who
38:44
Speaker 9: are estranged from families, who have depression. These are the
38:48
Speaker 9: people who I think are at great risk, and there
38:50
Speaker 9: are millions of them.
38:51
Speaker 2: And let's go through some of the things we're changing.
38:53
Speaker 2: So it used to be you had to have a
38:55
Speaker 2: terminal illness that would kill you within six months.
38:57
Speaker 3: That's changed, hasn't it. Now It's out beyond.
38:59
Speaker 9: The twelve months. And I think most of my medical
39:02
Speaker 9: colleagues would say that a twelve month prognosis is an
39:05
Speaker 9: educated guess at best. So how much weight do we
39:09
Speaker 9: put on life expectancy as part of the decision to
39:12
Speaker 9: kill oneself?
39:13
Speaker 2: And used to have to be that You've got two
39:14
Speaker 2: doctors to sign off on this. One had to be
39:17
Speaker 2: a specialist in your condition, So say I had liver cancer,
39:21
Speaker 2: you had to be a liver cancer specialist.
39:23
Speaker 3: That's now changed or watered down.
39:25
Speaker 9: The experience and expertise required to be involved in these
39:28
Speaker 9: decisions has gone down as well. Now expertise matters because
39:32
Speaker 9: an expert can give you a better sense of what
39:34
Speaker 9: your treatment options are, what your prognosis is, what all
39:38
Speaker 9: your alternatives are, and what symptoms you might be suffering
39:42
Speaker 9: that can be relieved. If you don't have that expertise,
39:44
Speaker 9: you don't know what to tell the patient.
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Speaker 2: What about it being raised with the patient rather than
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Speaker 2: the patient raising it themselves. What about the conscientious objection
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Speaker 2: that a medico should be able to have. I mean,
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Speaker 2: you swear an oath to preserve life, you're comfortable with euthanasia.
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Speaker 2: Is the government going to force you into it?
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Speaker 9: Well, the word choice is being used by the proponents
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Speaker 9: of these laws, but if you're a health practitioner, you're
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Speaker 9: not given a choice. Now, thankfully, the Upper House has
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Speaker 9: said you can't be forced to give out a letter
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Speaker 9: that a bureaucrat in the Department of Health will make
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Speaker 9: of their own volition, But they are still saying you
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Speaker 9: must hand over a number and a website. The point
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Speaker 9: is that as a doctor or a health practitioner, you
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Speaker 9: should not stand in the way of something that is
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Speaker 9: legally available to a patient. But we're not vending machines.
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Speaker 9: We shouldn't be forced to facilitate it either. And there
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Speaker 9: are health workers who will be harmed by this. Many well,
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Speaker 9: some have already left the profession because they can't face
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Speaker 9: the prospect of seeing people they care for suddenly being
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Speaker 9: dead the next day.
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Speaker 3: We know that what.
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Speaker 2: Happens in Victoria in this legislation has been mirrored in
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Speaker 2: other states. Do you feel, given your expertise in this law,
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Speaker 2: this is going to be something that's going to move
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Speaker 2: through the other states now?
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Speaker 9: Well, the other states already have weaker standards than what
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Speaker 9: we're put in in Victoria in twenty seventeen in terms
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Speaker 9: of non doctors being able to do things, eligibility criteria.
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Speaker 9: There's no doubt. And I've heard some proponents so that
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Speaker 9: they really want death on demand, and I'm real.
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Speaker 3: We're got to go to the path of Candida. Do
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Speaker 3: you think that much of the.
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Speaker 9: Pressure is to head in that direction? The biggest next
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Speaker 9: one that the government in Victoria has avoided this time,
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Speaker 9: but let's wait and see, is those who have dementia.
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Speaker 9: And as of recently, dementia has become the most common
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Speaker 9: cause of death in this country. So these aren't rare circumstances.
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Speaker 9: They will affect everyone watching, either themselves or someone they love.
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Speaker 2: Well, good on you for raising it, your colleagues for
41:45
Speaker 2: standing you with you and taking up this debate. As
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Speaker 2: I said, it can make people very uncomfortable that this
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Speaker 2: is not the conversation you want to be having for
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Speaker 2: the first time when you are at.
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Speaker 3: Your most fun, you've got to be literate. Thanks Peter Thankstein.
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Speaker 3: All Right, believe it. They're quick.
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Speaker 2: Breakdown the break we'll get into the latest on the
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Speaker 2: Victorian liberal crisis.
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Speaker 3: Net zero Susan Lee More welcome, Backe. Let's get straight
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Speaker 3: into it.
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Speaker 2: In my Monday Night panel Deputy Executive director at the
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Speaker 2: Institute of Public Affairs Dan Wilde and One Nation Chief
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Speaker 2: of Staff James Ashby.
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Speaker 3: I'll start with.
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Speaker 2: You Dan, as a former Melbournie and this story that
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Speaker 2: a delegation of unnamed Liberal MPs knocked on Brad Batton's
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Speaker 2: door tonight and said you need to stand aside. I'm
42:31
Speaker 2: told my phone's been blowing up for the last hour,
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Speaker 2: hour and a bit. There was a leadership spill. We
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Speaker 2: expect that to be tomorrow. It's understood Jess Wilson has
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Speaker 2: all the numbers, but this will be the fourth leader
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Speaker 2: in under a year.
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Speaker 3: I think this is madness.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, we'll wait and see what happens tomorrow, but
42:54
Speaker 10: it looks like it's a done deal. Look, I mean
42:56
Speaker 10: changing leaders can change the political fortunes of a party
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Speaker 10: very quickly. We've seen that here in Australia on a
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Speaker 10: number of occasions. Obviously we saw it in Canada, which
43:04
Speaker 10: was the Starker's example when they went from Trudeau to
43:07
Speaker 10: Mark Carney over there. So you can understand the allure
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Speaker 10: of this, but for this to be successful, it has
43:13
Speaker 10: to be tethered to something fundamental. It has to be
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Speaker 10: tethered to a change in direction and a change in
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Speaker 10: policy direction, whether it's actually fighting on the treaty, whether
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Speaker 10: it's getting rid of net zero, whether it's dealing with
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Speaker 10: immigration and overpopulation and those types of issues which matter
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Speaker 10: to day today Victorians. Sure, changing the face of the
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Speaker 10: party may give a temporary increase to the primary vote,
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Speaker 10: but that will probably wither away in the absence of
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Speaker 10: more fundamental change of direction and to actually fight and
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Speaker 10: creating a contest. So I remain open minded about what
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Speaker 10: might happen, but as I say, unless it's actually related
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Speaker 10: to policy change, I don't think it's going to change
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Speaker 10: a whole lot.
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Speaker 2: Well, Chris Jelman makes a point at James Ashby there
43:55
Speaker 2: has only been a Liberal Party. Actually, I don't even
43:57
Speaker 2: think they have yes, they have one term in thirty years,
44:02
Speaker 2: twenty seven years. I think it might be exactly one
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Speaker 2: term only in Victoria. I think they've got a messiah complex.
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Speaker 2: They think changing the leader will end up winning the election.
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Speaker 3: That doesn't work.
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Speaker 2: You've actually got to do the bloody hard work of
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Speaker 2: opposition in policy terms as well. But again, four leaders
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Speaker 2: in under a year and they're up again to the
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Speaker 2: most formidable labor machine in that country. I just think
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Speaker 2: it's crackers. I think it's absolutely crackers.
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Speaker 7: But you can see why they haven't won in recent
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Speaker 7: elections despite that being a terrible labor government time and
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Speaker 7: time again, and we hear about the debt just exploding out,
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Speaker 7: and here we have it. They're going for, as you say,
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Speaker 7: fourth leadership challenge. Look, there've been more internal policy, sorry,
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Speaker 7: internal problems within the Liberal National Coalition. If that's what
44:55
Speaker 7: they've got down there in Victoria, then what they've put
44:59
Speaker 7: focused in attention on the policy and actually holding this
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Speaker 7: labor government to account. So is it any wonder why
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Speaker 7: the polling is so terrible for the Liberal Party in Victoria.
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Speaker 7: I keep saying it, Peter, One nation are really going
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Speaker 7: to take the challenge up at this next Day election
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Speaker 7: down there in Victoria, and I think that you've got
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Speaker 7: every bit of a chance to get more than one seat
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Speaker 7: this next election.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 2: In the latest Redbridge Pole you're eighteen percent the Liberals
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Speaker 2: one twenty four. You're closing in on the Liberal Party.
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Speaker 2: I bet you're an option in Victoria. I think it's
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Speaker 2: a different market in part for a range of reasons.
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Speaker 2: And look, I have no issue with Jess Wilson. I
45:35
Speaker 2: have run the program. She's a shadow treasurer. I think
45:37
Speaker 2: she's just got into that role and she's already making
45:40
Speaker 2: a difference. But she has only been in the Parliament
45:43
Speaker 2: two years, so three years, three years, four year terms
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Speaker 2: in Victoria, three years artists, Yeah, I think it's crazy. Hey,
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Speaker 2: your boss was in court today. What can you tell
45:54
Speaker 2: us there without getting into trouble with the lawyers.
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Speaker 7: I think Sue Chrisanthew didn't exceptional job today. Obviously. I
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Speaker 7: was quite gobsmacked, to be honest, Peter. Here we had
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Speaker 7: five representatives on our team for Senator Hanson over this
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Speaker 7: eighteen C case, and yet on Feruki side, the Commonwealth
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Speaker 7: and then of course the Human Rights Commission, there were
46:17
Speaker 7: more than a dozen. And I just look at it.
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Speaker 7: It is such a cost blowout for such a trivial case,
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Speaker 7: and it's such a shame that the freedom of speech
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Speaker 7: has been lost in this country.
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Speaker 2: Let's talk about immigration DAN while the IPA data out
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Speaker 2: last week and it comes down to the IPA basically
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Speaker 2: aggregating the yearly data because the government's not quick to
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Speaker 2: tell us just how record high our migration is to
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Speaker 2: this country. But the data comes out it tells a
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Speaker 2: very very sorry story. It's absolutely big Australia under labor
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Speaker 2: and this is fertile ground if the Coalition is prepared
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Speaker 2: to do something with it.
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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's right. I mean we're seeing record numbers keep
47:02
Speaker 10: coming in. Now that chart you've got there is what
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Speaker 10: we put out, which is a leading indicator of the
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Speaker 10: net overseas migration data, which the government says is going
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Speaker 10: to come down, and maybe it will. We'll find out
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Speaker 10: in a few months when the official data comes out.
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Speaker 10: But whichever way you look at it, over the last
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Speaker 10: few years, there's been an unprecedented search to our population.
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Speaker 10: Every single Australian is affected by it. Every single facet
47:21
Speaker 10: of our life, whether it's the roads, the access to
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Speaker 10: schools and GPS and social services, the collapse in social cohesion.
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Speaker 10: Every single Australian is worried about it. And what's interesting
47:31
Speaker 10: to me about this issue, Peter, is it's not a
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Speaker 10: left right issue. You can see people from all across
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Speaker 10: the country, whoever they vote for, they say we want
47:39
Speaker 10: to have lower migration intake. And indeed there's a significant
47:43
Speaker 10: majority who actually say they want to have a pause
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Speaker 10: on immigration. They want to have a temporary pause until
47:49
Speaker 10: we have sufficient infrastructure in place. So this is a
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Speaker 10: red hot issue. If the Liberals are able to land
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Speaker 10: this and actually put out a number that says they're
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Speaker 10: going to dramatically cut immigration, I can tell you that's
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Speaker 10: going to shake up the debate pretty quickly.
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Speaker 2: I'll leave it there, gentlemen, but I just want to
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Speaker 2: mention really quickly, there's been some big changes mooted in
48:08
Speaker 2: the UK on the very issue of how they handle
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Speaker 2: asylum seekers. I'll talk about that tomorrow night because I
48:14
Speaker 2: think we should do the same thing here in Australia.
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Speaker 2: Thank you both for your time. That's it for me,
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Speaker 2: busy night tonight. I'll have more obviously tomorrow night. And
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Speaker 2: what's happening in Victoria up next though?
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Speaker 3: And your bo