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BOMBSHELL: Brian Laundrie Parents 'Forgot When He Left Home!' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: In the last hours a bombshell apparently so called boyfriend
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Speaker 1: Brian Laundry's parents, Remember the ones that were so worried
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Speaker 1: he was missing in the Carlton Reserve twenty five thousand
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Speaker 1: acres of swamp and he might be suicidal. Oopsie, they
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Speaker 1: got the date wrong as to the last time they
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Speaker 1: saw their child. They're so worried about him, they get
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Speaker 1: the date wrong as to the last time they see him.
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Speaker 1: Think about it. Do you know the last time you
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Speaker 1: saw your child? Because I do? And guess what, I
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Speaker 1: even know what they were wearing, and they'd kill me
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Speaker 1: if they knew. I said this on air. I even
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Speaker 1: know what underwear they had on because I laid it
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Speaker 1: out last night. How can you when your child is
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Speaker 1: missing and you think they're suicidal? Why would you give
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Speaker 1: the FBI the wrong date? Why would you give the
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Speaker 1: cops the wrong date when you're reporting him missing. Let's
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Speaker 1: think about it, m could it be to give him
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Speaker 1: another day's head? Start crime stories with Nancy Grace? Now?
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Speaker 1: Why are we so angry about this? Because a beautiful
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Speaker 1: girl was lying out in the open in the wilderness
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Speaker 1: with her body decomposing, with potential of animals tearing her
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Speaker 1: body apart, while the parents right there, unwittingly, grossly, negligently
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Speaker 1: are outright lying about the day their son went missing.
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Speaker 1: That's why, because it matters, that's why. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to this. The Laundry family attorney coming out revealing some
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Speaker 1: interesting new information about the timeline of when they last
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Speaker 1: saw Brian Laundry. Take a listen to this, the Laundry
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Speaker 1: family attorney and released this to our very young Kim
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Speaker 1: Quiz on Fox thirteen in Tampa, saying, upon further communication
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Speaker 1: with the FBI and confirmation of the mustang being at
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Speaker 1: the Laundry residence on Wednesday, September fifteenth, we now believe
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Speaker 1: the day that Brian left to hike in a preserve
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Speaker 1: was Monday, September thirteenth. Originally they were saying it was
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Speaker 1: Tuesday was the last day that they saw Brian Laundry
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Speaker 1: and then eventually reported him missing to the authorities. They're
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Speaker 1: now switching it up and saying the last day was Monday.
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Speaker 1: Let's say that their recollection was wrong. Okay, you were
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Speaker 1: hearing our friend Christy Larson live now at Fox. Now
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Speaker 1: listen to this, she says. Up further discussion further communication
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Speaker 1: with the FBI, they realize their recollection was wrong upon
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Speaker 1: further communication with the FBI. I see that as something like, hey,
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Speaker 1: you liked us about the day he went missing, and
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Speaker 1: they go, what I think it could be a communication
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Speaker 1: something like that, joining me an all star panel. I
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Speaker 1: hear them breaking in at first. I heard Dale Carson,
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Speaker 1: high profile lawyer out of Jacksonville and former FBI agent
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Speaker 1: at Dale Carson Law dot com. Doctor Bethany Marshall, we're
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Speaker 1: now psychoanalyst to the stars at doctor Bethany Marshall dot com.
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Speaker 1: Joining us out of LA Cheryl McCollum, Founder director at
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Speaker 1: the Coldcase Research Institute. You can find her at Coalcasecrimes
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Speaker 1: dot org. Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University, author of Blood
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Speaker 1: Beneath My Feet on Amazon, and star of a brand
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Speaker 1: new hit series, Bodybags with Joseph Scott Morgan on iHeart
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Speaker 1: prefers to Massasi ed joining US investigative reporter w FLATV. Massa.
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Speaker 1: How could they get the date wrong? They're so worried
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Speaker 1: about their son being allegedly suicidal that they don't get
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Speaker 1: the date right. They don't remember the last time they
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Speaker 1: saw him. Yeah, so the attorney saying that the Launderies
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Speaker 1: were basing that date based on the recollection of certain events.
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Speaker 1: But what this means, Nancy, is originally they had reported
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Speaker 1: him missing on September seventeenth, so that means that he
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Speaker 1: would have had three days that he had been missing. Well,
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Speaker 1: now we know that he likely had four days with me.
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Speaker 1: Investigative reporter w flatvs. Massa said, he's been on this
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Speaker 1: case from the game, Go Massa, will you say that
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Speaker 1: first part again? They were basing the date on what
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Speaker 1: this is I'm going to read directly from the Tech
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Speaker 1: Tank the Laundry family attorney quote, the Laundryes were basing
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Speaker 1: the date Brian left on their recollection of certain events. Okay,
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Speaker 1: stop right there. Of certain events, Sharon McCollum, that sounds
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Speaker 1: like lawyer talk for recollection of certain events. Well, let's
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Speaker 1: get to it, Nancy. His sister Cassie said a detective
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Speaker 1: called her while she was on vacation. That means a
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Speaker 1: detective called them. That means people were reaching out to
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Speaker 1: them beyond Gabby's family. This was getting serious. So the
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Speaker 1: closer they're getting to the September eleventh, she's formally officially
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Speaker 1: reported missing. That means the twelfth of the thirteenth, the
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Speaker 1: thirteenth being a Monday, that's when all the detectives and
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Speaker 1: everybody are back in and probably started making these phone calls.
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Speaker 1: And he left. In this panel, we said a week
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Speaker 1: and a half ago. Then he left prior to when
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Speaker 1: Mama would say he left. So I'm telling you not
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Speaker 1: only did he have a four day jump, he has
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Speaker 1: successfully now been ghost twenty three days at least. Well,
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Speaker 1: I'm just taking that in, so Massa said, joining me
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Speaker 1: w FLA. They are now saying he went missing on
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Speaker 1: what day exactly? They are now saying we believe that
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Speaker 1: day Brian left the hike, you know, the Carlton Reserve
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Speaker 1: was Monday September thirteenth. Monday September thirteen. Okay, jail Carson
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Speaker 1: joining me out of Florida, Adel Carson, you want it in,
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Speaker 1: go ahead. Yeah. This is where we know from the
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Speaker 1: response of the lawyer that the FBI is making inquiries
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Speaker 1: directly to the family and having some conversation with him,
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Speaker 1: because the Bureau pointed out, hell, the car was back here,
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Speaker 1: then that's not possible. You're lying to Okay, hold on,
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Speaker 1: whoa the car the Mustang, which I'd like to point out,
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Speaker 1: Sister Cassie says, was quote their mustang, which means it's
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Speaker 1: the family's mustang, which means was this guy even making
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Speaker 1: a car payment? I mean, he's living at home in
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Speaker 1: his childhood room with posters on the wall, not judging.
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Speaker 1: Is he not even making a car payment? I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's just reminding me so much of Scott Peterson, how
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Speaker 1: his mother and father. He was born with the silver
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Speaker 1: spoon in his mouth, he could do no wrong, and
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Speaker 1: to this date, they don't accept that he killed Lacy,
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Speaker 1: which is a question for you, Doctor Bethany. Hold on,
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Speaker 1: but del Carson, you're saying that the mustang was parked
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Speaker 1: in the driveway, which proves their timeline was wrong. Explain, sure,
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Speaker 1: the Bureau would look at that because they would know
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Speaker 1: whether the car was there or not, and because witnesses
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Speaker 1: in the neighborhood would tell them. So they called the
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Speaker 1: family and say, wait a minute, there's some inconsistencies here,
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Speaker 1: and they're either talking to the attorney or they're talking
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Speaker 1: to the family, and the result is they're saying to
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Speaker 1: the family, look, you're lying. You said this, this, and this,
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Speaker 1: but that's not true. What really happened was this, Now,
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Speaker 1: what do you have to say about that? And so
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Speaker 1: the Bureau is still engaged with that family at some
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Speaker 1: level more than what we're hearing on the stand media. Well,
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you they're engaging with the family lawyer Bernolina,
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Speaker 1: and not with the family. But let me ask you
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Speaker 1: this straight back out to you LUs a side? Do
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Speaker 1: you think are you? Can you extrapolate that that's where
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Speaker 1: the FBI got the information and figured out they were
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Speaker 1: not forthcoming about the true date. Let me just say
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Speaker 1: it lied about the date he went missing because of
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Speaker 1: the mustang. Yeah, it's unclear if the FBI is talking
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Speaker 1: directly with with the family or with the attorney. The
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Speaker 1: tax is unclear. I don't know. Then, answer to that, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: my question the mustang. It's a mustang. What gave a
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Speaker 1: way that they lied about the date he left? Yes,
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Speaker 1: Cheryl jump in, we know the fbis tugging because Cassie
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Speaker 1: said they're talking to her directly. She said even when
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Speaker 1: she spoke there mustang, she didn't say Brian's mustang. Right.
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Speaker 1: I already said that. I'm trying to get to how
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Speaker 1: the FBI knew they lied about the date Brian Laundry
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Speaker 1: took off. Is it because of the mustang? Simple? Does
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Speaker 1: anybody know the answer? Yes? Why explain Cheryl you're saying yes,
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Speaker 1: I'm saying that I believe it's ring video from neighbors.
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Speaker 1: I think they can prove when that mustang was moved
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Speaker 1: and when it wasn't. They have it on video, so
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Speaker 1: then the answer would be yes because of the times
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Speaker 1: the mustang was parked in the driveway. Is that correct?
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Speaker 1: Cheryl correct? Prime Stories with Nancy Grace, guys. In the
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Speaker 1: last hours, there's been a major shift. And the reason
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Speaker 1: there's a major shift is because a lot of what
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Speaker 1: the FBI and the police have done maybe have been
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Speaker 1: on the wrong date. And we know, Joe Scott, Morgan,
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Speaker 1: everybody on this panel knows this. Step one, establish your timeline.
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Speaker 1: If the timeline is wrong, your investigation is wrong, which
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Speaker 1: means they've been searching tolls, fast food, ring cameras for
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Speaker 1: one date when they should have been checking for the
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Speaker 1: day before. Get it. That's a lot of hard work,
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Speaker 1: man hours, surveillance invested in the first timeline that's down
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Speaker 1: the crapper. Joe Scott, it's no good now, wonder they
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Speaker 1: didn't find evidence because they had the wrong date. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, there's a reason that there's been a
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Speaker 1: hit TV show called the forty first forty eight hours
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Speaker 1: for years, and that's why it's that golden period of
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Speaker 1: time in an investigation. Those first forty eight hours is
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Speaker 1: the most critical time in any investigation, particularly in a
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Speaker 1: missing person's case, a death investigation moving forward, because all
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Speaker 1: everything is fresh. The further you get down range from
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Speaker 1: that central point in time, evidence begins to wither, memories
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Speaker 1: begin to fade, and you're losing things all the way along.
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Speaker 1: So the fact that they have if there, if if
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Speaker 1: if they're involved in any level of deception here, this
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Speaker 1: creates a huge gap in time, a huge problem for
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Speaker 1: the investigators, Cheryl. You hear Morgan, He's very calm. I
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Speaker 1: don't think that I'm verbalizing what a big deal this
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Speaker 1: is that the timeline has been all wrong. It's not
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Speaker 1: the FBI's fault, it's not the police fault, it's the
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Speaker 1: parents fault. Explain why this is so critical, Cheryl. It
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Speaker 1: is so critical because time and evidence has been lost,
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Speaker 1: but also it shows us that they again were not
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Speaker 1: worried about their son harming himself, getting lost, getting hurt,
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Speaker 1: getting eaten by alligator, or whatever else they were trying
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Speaker 1: to say without reserve. They don't even know what day
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Speaker 1: he left. They don't even know what day he left. Okay,
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Speaker 1: let me just ask you a question, Cheryl McCollum. I'm
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Speaker 1: sad to report everybody that Cheryl McCollum's children have left
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Speaker 1: her home. They've gone to college. Sad for her, happy
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Speaker 1: for them. But this is a one word answer, Cheryl,
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Speaker 1: I'm afraid you've been around us lawyers too long to
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Speaker 1: do that. Can you remember the last time you saw
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Speaker 1: in person, Caroline? Absolutely? Okay, how about your son? Can
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Speaker 1: you remember that? Absolutely? I can't too, No question, I
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Speaker 1: can't remember. I can't remember the last time I saw
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Speaker 1: my fiance before his murder, the very last time, everything
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Speaker 1: about it. I can't remember the last time I saw
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Speaker 1: my father before he passed away, and those both years
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Speaker 1: and years ago. But they can't remember when their son
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Speaker 1: left the house and never came back. Doctor Bethany Marshall,
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Speaker 1: I think I need a shrink. Help me. What's going on? Well,
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Speaker 1: Madeline didn't leave the house, but they didn't know where
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Speaker 1: he was going. Can you imagine, as a parent, your
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Speaker 1: child leaves and admittedly he's an adult child, but he
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Speaker 1: leaves and they have no idea. What's the plan, Where's
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Speaker 1: he going? What is he going to do? Nancy? I
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Speaker 1: think that what's been happening in that Okay, Doctor Bethany
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Speaker 1: cut out on me. I think he did tell them
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Speaker 1: that he was going, according to them, going to Carlton Reserve.
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Speaker 1: Of course many of us believe that's not true. In
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Speaker 1: the last hours, the parents change the timeline, basically pulling
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Speaker 1: the rug out from under the FBI, and Massa said,
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Speaker 1: joining me, investigative reporter w FLATV, let me know when
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Speaker 1: you get Bethany back. The lawyer says, as Massa has
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Speaker 1: already accurately reported upon further communication with the FBI, Well
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Speaker 1: here you go, Dal Carson, you're so right yet again.
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Speaker 1: And confirmation of the mustang being at the laundry residence
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Speaker 1: on Wednesday, September fifteen. We now believe the day Brian
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Speaker 1: left to hike in the preserve was Monday, September thirteen.
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Speaker 1: So Dale, what do they mean by further communication with
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Speaker 1: the FBI? Let me tell you something. You answered the
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Speaker 1: door and somebody standing there with FBI on the front
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Speaker 1: of their when on the front of their jacket you
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Speaker 1: got a problem. You got a big problem, FBI communication
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Speaker 1: my rear end. What do you think happened? Well, I
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Speaker 1: can tell you what I think happened is this when
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Speaker 1: they went missing. When the child went missing, and the
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Speaker 1: family has no reaction to that, and they certainly know
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Speaker 1: that everyone in the country's looking for him. That is very,
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Speaker 1: very unusual. I used to handle unlawful flights to avoid
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Speaker 1: prosecution cases, you FAFT cases, and in each of those cases,
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Speaker 1: when you contacted the family, they were like, wait, wait, wait, wait,
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Speaker 1: you're looking for him. Let me see if I can
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Speaker 1: find him, because I don't want you all to find
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Speaker 1: him in the middle of the night in an alley
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Speaker 1: and hurt him. And none of that is, as Cheryl
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Speaker 1: points out, is happening in this scenario. It's all real,
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Speaker 1: bland and just unemotional coming from the lawyer and the
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Speaker 1: family members. Nobody is concerned and there's a reason for that.
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Speaker 1: They know where he is. Another bombshell we are learning
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Speaker 1: now according to reports that Gabby's devastated. Her heartbroken parents
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Speaker 1: were forced to hold her memorial with an empty urn,
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Speaker 1: which leads me to why hasn't the body been released
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Speaker 1: to the family, and why has it the cod cause
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Speaker 1: of death been released? First? She massa pside, joining me
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Speaker 1: w FLATV. What do we know? I mean, many people
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Speaker 1: believe she had been cremated, but is that not true?
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Speaker 1: Is that an empty urn? So yes, we now know
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Speaker 1: that that golden urn that was surrounded by flowers and
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Speaker 1: angelic pictures of Gabby, we now know that that was empty.
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Speaker 1: We learned that at the news conference in New York,
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Speaker 1: the first time the family spoke after the funeral, they
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Speaker 1: confirmed that the body was still with the Teton County corner.
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Speaker 1: Now it's unclear to me if it is because the
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Speaker 1: autopsy isn't finished, or it's because the FBI is not
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Speaker 1: releasing the body for some investigative purpose. But we are
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Speaker 1: in touch with the family and last night WFLA was
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Speaker 1: able to confirm the family still does not have Gabby's body.
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Speaker 1: The body is still out in Wyoming. They are waiting
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Speaker 1: for a phone call and then they are going to
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Speaker 1: all head out to Wyoming to retrieve the body. And
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Speaker 1: what that does Doctor Bethany Marshall psycho alas joining me
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Speaker 1: out of LA is it prolongs the suffering? But kiss
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Speaker 1: they can't lay her to rest until they have her
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Speaker 1: body and they bury her or they cremate her or
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Speaker 1: whatever they're going to do. It just drags the whole
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Speaker 1: thing out, much as this man hunt for Brian Laundry
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Speaker 1: is doing to them, much as a trial well ltimately
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Speaker 1: due to them. It drags the whole grief process out
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Speaker 1: and makes it so much worse. You know what. Nancy
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Speaker 1: is a colleague of mine, once said endings are just
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Speaker 1: as important as beginnings. We talked about Cheryl McCollum's children
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Speaker 1: going off to college. The ending of them living in
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Speaker 1: our house is important, but I mean the beginning of
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Speaker 1: their college is important. But the ending that the graduation ceremonies,
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Speaker 1: the moving on to the next phase, is incredibly important.
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Speaker 1: And it's the same with life and death. When Gabby
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Speaker 1: was born, a celebration balloons the first birthday, but this
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Speaker 1: is the ending where she is laid to rest. And
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Speaker 1: often with funerals there's something called a viewing. Not every
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Speaker 1: family has viewing, but why is there a viewing? So
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Speaker 1: people can see that the spirit is no longer in
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Speaker 1: the body, that that corporeal presence is not going to
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Speaker 1: be on this earth anymore? They do not have her
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Speaker 1: body cremated or not cremated to prove that her spirit
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Speaker 1: has departed from her body. That is a trauma, Nancy.
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Speaker 1: Just as we're discussing, you know, Brian left Monday rather
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Speaker 1: than Tuesday, the body talk coming back. What happened to
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Speaker 1: the body when it was out there in the wilderness.
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Speaker 1: This is all cumulative trauma for them. Every time they're
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Speaker 1: hit with a new piece of news, they have to
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Speaker 1: digest it. They have to see you're cutting out on me,
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Speaker 1: Doctor Bethany. I hear you, but I'm getting every other
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Speaker 1: word Prime Stories with Nancy Grace. I want you. And
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Speaker 1: while we're trying to again establish doctor Bethany's connection, please
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Speaker 1: take a listen to our cut two six zero. This
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Speaker 1: is our friend, doctor Michael Boden speaking to Fox News.
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Speaker 1: Another suspicious part of this, the whole situation, is that,
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Speaker 1: and some the people question, her body was not released
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Speaker 1: to her family yet. That's very unusual. Also in this
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Speaker 1: country and some countries, they'll keep a body till after
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Speaker 1: the trial a year or two later, but in case
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Speaker 1: they missed something. But normally death occurs as tragicate as
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Speaker 1: it is the homicide and the family has a right
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Speaker 1: to bury the body or cremate the body the next
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Speaker 1: day or two days from that. Here there's been a
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Speaker 1: long delay, I guess because of the concern about not
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Speaker 1: missing anything. But more important I think will be the
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Speaker 1: same people who gave police information about the trips they
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Speaker 1: took and how they were seen along the way may
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Speaker 1: find something in how the death occurred. Most probably in
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Speaker 1: these situations, strangulation is the most common way of a
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Speaker 1: death occurring. Under these circumstances, that will provide a clue
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Speaker 1: that the police might be able to work with. You're
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Speaker 1: hearing our friend doctor Michael Boden, take another listen to
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Speaker 1: our cut two fifty nine. If they know the cause
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Speaker 1: of death, why, in your estimation has it not been released. Well,
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Speaker 1: it's unusual not to release the cause of death, especially
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Speaker 1: if they're releasing the manner of death. In order to
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Speaker 1: get to the manner of death, you got to know
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Speaker 1: what the course of death is. And part of it
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Speaker 1: is that this is a federal investigation. Since the body
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Speaker 1: was found on federal property, it was a federal investigation,
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Speaker 1: and there aren't too many federal homicides, so that I
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Speaker 1: think just a caution involved by the investigators to make
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Speaker 1: sure they didn't miss anything, but the normal course, the
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Speaker 1: couse of death would have been released immediately with the
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Speaker 1: manner of death. Again, you're hearing right now, medical examiner.
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Speaker 1: That was doctor Michael Biden. Okay, jump in del Carson.
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Speaker 1: You know. One of the reasons for this is that
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Speaker 1: the FBI, when they conduct matters like this, their discovery requirements,
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Speaker 1: the information they have to provide to other defendants in
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Speaker 1: this case is limited more than the States. So the
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Speaker 1: result is they don't have to tell there's no disclosure requirement.
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Speaker 1: In addition to which, every time you give information to
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Speaker 1: the defense, they're able to fabricate a reason why it
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Speaker 1: wasn't true, and so you give them more time. In
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Speaker 1: every federal case I'm involved in, there's an extreme delay
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Speaker 1: in the Omnimous Discovery Act that allows the government to
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Speaker 1: withhold information sometimes up until three days before trial. So
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Speaker 1: you're agreeing then with Michael Biden. That's because it's a
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Speaker 1: FED decision. So, Joska Morgan death investigator, You've been on
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Speaker 1: literally tens of thousands of death scenes. What is the
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Speaker 1: whole we no manner of death is homicide, but they're
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Speaker 1: refusing to release cause of death. I find it very
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Speaker 1: odd too that the body has not been released to
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Speaker 1: the parents. That's very unusual. Yeah, it is. And you
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Speaker 1: know the fact that the body has not been released
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Speaker 1: is a separate issue than the cause. Let me go
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Speaker 1: to the cause. Doctor Biden very well knows that sometimes
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Speaker 1: it takes a protracted period of time to come up
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Speaker 1: with a specific cause of death because you have to
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Speaker 1: do all of the testing. It's called forensic science, not
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Speaker 1: microwave science. It's not something that's turned around in a day.
23:40
Speaker 1: I've predicted this going in. I'm still staying by that.
23:44
Speaker 1: It's going to take days upon days where only fifteen
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Speaker 1: days down range, they've got compromised tissue samples. We're talking
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Speaker 1: about a body that has been decomposed out in the wilderness.
23:57
Speaker 1: They are attempting to do toxicology with whatever they have remaining. Hey,
24:02
Speaker 1: we're playing ping pau not chess. Here sum it up? Place?
24:07
Speaker 1: Was that it? Okay? Erlon McCollum, he pays, So I'm
24:10
Speaker 1: jumping in. I'll tell you what I think it is.
24:12
Speaker 1: I think it's about DNA. I think that's why they
24:14
Speaker 1: went back to the laundry house to get the envelope
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Speaker 1: or package off the back porch for DNA, not to
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Speaker 1: identify something they found in Carlton Reserve, but to match
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Speaker 1: up to potential DNA they have found on her body.
24:27
Speaker 1: Chary McCollum explained what the VAC would be used for.
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Speaker 1: Here's what I believe they're doing. I think there's two reasons.
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Speaker 1: One is DNA. They did go back to the house.
24:38
Speaker 1: They also went to the camper. They wanted things that
24:41
Speaker 1: belonged only to Brin because keep in mind, we don't
24:44
Speaker 1: have his DNA, We don't have a single prints so
24:48
Speaker 1: the mom's mitochondrial, but it wouldn't be the same. Go ahead, absolutely,
24:51
Speaker 1: but they do want to be able to say this
24:54
Speaker 1: was his DNA found here. The second reason is for you,
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Speaker 1: until they release everything, they don't have to file an
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Speaker 1: autopsy report, which means they don't have to give that out,
25:07
Speaker 1: which means even the media is not going to know
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Speaker 1: what the cause of death is until they get ready
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Speaker 1: to release it. Okay, go through that one more time place. Okay,
25:17
Speaker 1: as long as they hold the body, as long as
25:19
Speaker 1: it's still ongoing. They are not filing an autopsy report
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Speaker 1: that you can get under the Freedom of Information Act.
25:26
Speaker 1: They are not releasing the calls on purpose. They're holding
25:29
Speaker 1: this whole thing close to the vest. There are things
25:32
Speaker 1: they know and have known that we're still playing catch
25:35
Speaker 1: up about. I believe they've known about the thirteenth. I
25:39
Speaker 1: think that's why they keep going back to Cassie. The
25:42
Speaker 1: FBI told her not to talk, her parents told her
25:45
Speaker 1: daught to talk. Yet she's still talking. She's talking in
25:48
Speaker 1: the front yard, she's talking Good Morning America. Cassie's elite here.
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Speaker 1: She has information, so they don't want them to know anything. Yes. Agree,
25:58
Speaker 1: If it's an ongoing investigation, typically for your Freedom of
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Speaker 1: Information Act, or as in some places it's referred to
26:06
Speaker 1: as a Sunshine Act, which means everything's at in the open,
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Speaker 1: nothing behind closed doors. Freedom of Information Act can be
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Speaker 1: defeated by an ongoing investigation defense. If you say this
26:20
Speaker 1: is an ongoing investigation, the autopsy is not complete yet,
26:24
Speaker 1: you don't have a document that you can be forced
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Speaker 1: to give out because it's ongoing. If it's not ongoing,
26:32
Speaker 1: you can get such documents under Freedom of Information Act
26:36
Speaker 1: very often. Now here's another wrench in the works, fly
26:41
Speaker 1: in the ointment. We now learn you to remember the
26:44
Speaker 1: question we've been asking or I've been asking from the
26:46
Speaker 1: very beginning because I felt didn't know why that it
26:49
Speaker 1: was significant. Did Brian Laundry fly home to his mommy
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Speaker 1: in the middle of his road trip Gabby and fly back.
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Speaker 1: When I asked the parents, they said, we can't talk
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Speaker 1: about that, which told me it did happen, and I
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Speaker 1: wonder why. Prime Stories with Nancy Grace take a listen
27:27
Speaker 1: to this. We have new information in the Gabby Potito
27:30
Speaker 1: murder investigation. The attorney for Brian Laundry's family has confirmed
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Speaker 1: that Brian flew home to Florida then back to Utah
27:37
Speaker 1: in the middle of the couple's road trip. The attorney
27:39
Speaker 1: says Brian went to Florida to obtain some items and
27:42
Speaker 1: close a storage unit, leaving his fiance alone out west.
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Speaker 1: Brian returned to Utah August twenty third, four days before
27:49
Speaker 1: Gabby was last seen alive. We were analyzing clues left
27:53
Speaker 1: behind yesterday regarding that now it's all out in the open,
27:57
Speaker 1: well partially out in the open with this family, things
28:00
Speaker 1: ever totally out in the open. We now know he
28:03
Speaker 1: did fly home in the middle of the trip and
28:05
Speaker 1: he then flew back. But why joining me on the
28:09
Speaker 1: ground Massa Saiedi investigative reporter WFLATV. Masa, what do we know?
28:15
Speaker 1: You got to keep in mind, Nancy's very significant to
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Speaker 1: me is that blow up, that domestic dispute that was
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Speaker 1: captured on bodycamp video that happened August twelve. So the
28:26
Speaker 1: couple Gabby and Brian were separated August twelfth. August thirteenth,
28:31
Speaker 1: we assume that's when they reunited back together. Well, now
28:35
Speaker 1: we know that on August seventeenth, he packed up and
28:39
Speaker 1: he flew to Tampa, and the attorney saying that to
28:42
Speaker 1: his knowledge, Brian and Gabby paid for the flight, and
28:46
Speaker 1: that they came back because they were contemplating extending the
28:49
Speaker 1: road trip, so they wanted to save some money. So
28:52
Speaker 1: right after this moab moab Utah incident, they decide, hey,
28:58
Speaker 1: let's go ahead and extend this cross country trip. I'm
29:01
Speaker 1: gonna go fly back and close their storage units. And
29:04
Speaker 1: then they reunited together on the twenty third. Wait wait, wait,
29:07
Speaker 1: that's where you lost me right there. Let's save money
29:11
Speaker 1: and extend our road trip by flying home and closing
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Speaker 1: up a storage unit. So somehow the twenty eight dollars
29:20
Speaker 1: you're going to pay for a storage unit a month
29:23
Speaker 1: saves you money, as opposed to a five hundred dollar
29:26
Speaker 1: road trip ticket from Wyoming to Florida. That no, I mean,
29:33
Speaker 1: I didn't get my NBA at Wharton, but I do
29:36
Speaker 1: know that much. Could you explain to me what are
29:39
Speaker 1: you saying? So I'll just redo this one sentence, The
29:43
Speaker 1: attorney said, quote, Brian flew home to obtain some items
29:47
Speaker 1: and empty and close the storage unit to save money
29:51
Speaker 1: as they contemplated extending the road trip. We're Gabby's belongings
29:57
Speaker 1: in that we're Gabby's belongings in that storage unit. I
30:01
Speaker 1: wonder the assumption would be that it was the items
30:04
Speaker 1: from both of them. But I can get clarification for you. Okay,
30:08
Speaker 1: let me understand what's happening. Schary. I'm gonna call. I'm
30:10
Speaker 1: sure you've got to spend on it. Go ahead, Nancy,
30:13
Speaker 1: you already brought up a major point that you're going
30:16
Speaker 1: to spend five hundred dollars to save eighty bucks. It
30:18
Speaker 1: makes no sense. And then they claimed again they were
30:23
Speaker 1: sharing expenses. Well, they were sharing expenses right up until
30:27
Speaker 1: she died, because then he used her debit card only deadbeat,
30:30
Speaker 1: Why didn't he use all that money? He saved exactly.
30:34
Speaker 1: It's not true. Nothing they say is the truth. Nothing.
30:39
Speaker 1: Let's analyze this is her van, her van, her laptop. Yep,
30:44
Speaker 1: she's the one that saved up money for the trip.
30:46
Speaker 1: After she's dead and lying out under a tree and
30:51
Speaker 1: the Teton Wilderness. He uses her debit card multiple times,
30:57
Speaker 1: knowing she's laying out dead, decomposing. I mean, how do
31:03
Speaker 1: you fix yourself to do that? Doctor, Bethany Marshall. I'm
31:08
Speaker 1: going to give you one more try here and hopefully
31:10
Speaker 1: I can hear you this time. How do you whip
31:13
Speaker 1: out your dead girlfriend's debit card and use it? What
31:18
Speaker 1: to go to McDonald's. I mean, how does that work?
31:21
Speaker 1: And that mind? It happened to me once when my
31:24
Speaker 1: late husband died the cancer. One of his debot cards
31:27
Speaker 1: was missing, and I later found out that a family
31:30
Speaker 1: member was using it, and it was devastating. And this
31:35
Speaker 1: happens more than you think after somebody dies, that the
31:39
Speaker 1: debit card is used, Nancy, Brian Landry doesn't have to
31:43
Speaker 1: cause and effect thinking. He doesn't think anybody's really looking
31:46
Speaker 1: at him. He thinks he can act with impunity. I
31:49
Speaker 1: know why he went back to empty out the sporage facility.
31:52
Speaker 1: There was evidence of his abusing her for a long
31:56
Speaker 1: long time. I'm sure there were diaries. I'm sure there
32:00
Speaker 1: were notes of calling friends, there were computers, there was electronics,
32:04
Speaker 1: an electronic trail. This abuse did not happen overnight. It
32:09
Speaker 1: didn't happen when the Moab police pulled them over. This
32:12
Speaker 1: was just the tip of the missery ice per cramp.
32:15
Speaker 1: So he had to scramble, and he didn't have enough
32:20
Speaker 1: money to scramble, so he started using her money. Yeah,
32:23
Speaker 1: I think you're right about that. I wanna confirm something, Nancy.
32:28
Speaker 1: Go ahead. Sorry, storage units have excellent video as well.
32:31
Speaker 1: They've got surveillance twenty four seven, So that again should
32:35
Speaker 1: be easy for law enforcement to ascertain whether or not
32:38
Speaker 1: that happened, Nancy. And that showed a deliberate premeditation to
32:42
Speaker 1: what would happen after he returned to Moab. What do
32:46
Speaker 1: you mean, well, I mean if he came back to
32:48
Speaker 1: destroy evidence knowing that he was going to kill her,
32:52
Speaker 1: that would be an excellent time to do that. If
32:54
Speaker 1: you subscribe to what we just discussed, I don't know
32:57
Speaker 1: that it was a premi meditated plan to hill. Yes,
33:01
Speaker 1: and so that allows plenty of time to organize your
33:04
Speaker 1: departure and to set up a safe house. Let me
33:07
Speaker 1: understand something Master said. I want to confirm Gabby was
33:12
Speaker 1: seen alive when they checked out of the hotel in Utah. Correct,
33:18
Speaker 1: and that was after the storage unit incident. Correct? That
33:22
Speaker 1: is correct? Alive August twenty seventh. Yes, the storage incident
33:27
Speaker 1: happened about a week before. Yet, so I'm trying to
33:29
Speaker 1: figure that whole thing out. I guarantee it was not
33:31
Speaker 1: to save money. That's not true, because flying back and
33:35
Speaker 1: forth did not save money. There's another reason he came
33:38
Speaker 1: home to clean out that storage unit. Got a big
33:41
Speaker 1: question for anybody that can answer if police were employing
33:46
Speaker 1: a sting ray device right now to try to catch
33:52
Speaker 1: an alleged burner phone the laundries are using If would
33:59
Speaker 1: that be obvious? Who can explain what a sting ray
34:04
Speaker 1: device looks like? Dale here, it looks like a small computer,
34:08
Speaker 1: and what it's used to do is to emulate a
34:10
Speaker 1: cell phone tower, so they get near a phone, your
34:14
Speaker 1: phone picks up that's the closest tower it links to it.
34:17
Speaker 1: From that, you can determine specific locations of people, and
34:22
Speaker 1: they're allowed under general federal law to do that without
34:26
Speaker 1: a warrant. The problem arises when you're actually listening to
34:31
Speaker 1: the transmissions. When that happens, of course, you have to
34:35
Speaker 1: have a title free, which is a federal search work
34:37
Speaker 1: to have our chap to actually listen in. So my
34:41
Speaker 1: point is, if they were using a sting ray, let's
34:44
Speaker 1: just say not like you see in the movies where
34:47
Speaker 1: there's always a Keystone cop sitting out in a car
34:50
Speaker 1: near the location and the target sees them and it's
34:53
Speaker 1: a big joke and they order them pizza. No, this
34:56
Speaker 1: would be the FEDS and a vehicle and marked vehicle,
35:01
Speaker 1: not a black suv. Yeah, with the sting ray in
35:06
Speaker 1: the car, you can't see it. It's not some big,
35:10
Speaker 1: huge object. It's basically a mobile and easy to use
35:15
Speaker 1: cell tower. But what that would mean is, since we've
35:20
Speaker 1: all been talking about burner phones and sting rays, the
35:23
Speaker 1: parents in order to escape that avoid that. I mean,
35:26
Speaker 1: we know the dad is coming out of the house
35:28
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, like two am to
35:30
Speaker 1: get the mail. So they're on to everyone. They're smart,
35:34
Speaker 1: they know everything we're talking about. So in order to
35:37
Speaker 1: make it burner phone work, they got to leave the
35:40
Speaker 1: house and go somewhere away from the location to avoid
35:45
Speaker 1: a sting ray hit. They would have to leave the
35:47
Speaker 1: premises in order to avoid the sting ray tech. Nancy,
35:51
Speaker 1: that was a camping trip. I'm telling you the camping
35:55
Speaker 1: trip was for planning, plotting in getting their story straight.
36:00
Speaker 1: And let me let me go back to the storage
36:02
Speaker 1: unit one more time, because I don't think I made
36:03
Speaker 1: myself clear. I do not believe he went to the
36:07
Speaker 1: storage unit on the seventeenth. I believe he went to
36:10
Speaker 1: a storage unit once he returned the second time on
36:13
Speaker 1: the seventeenth. I believe he flew home because after he
36:17
Speaker 1: talked to his parents about the police involvement, they brought
36:20
Speaker 1: him home and then he went back. Okay, explain that
36:23
Speaker 1: one more time. Jackie was signaling something, go ahead. What
36:27
Speaker 1: I think he went to the storage unit after he
36:30
Speaker 1: returned on September first to get camping gear. Think about it.
36:34
Speaker 1: This is your home that you grew up in. You
36:37
Speaker 1: already have your stuff. Gabby moves in with you there,
36:40
Speaker 1: y'all been living there a year. What do you need
36:42
Speaker 1: a storage unit for. You're going to come home in
36:45
Speaker 1: four months and go right back to living there. The
36:48
Speaker 1: storage unit would be things that wouldn't fit in that house.
36:52
Speaker 1: I believe it was tenths and cots and rafts and
36:55
Speaker 1: things of that nature. That's why I think he went
36:58
Speaker 1: to the storage unit. So there's some truth that he
37:01
Speaker 1: did go to storage to clean himself out, but it
37:04
Speaker 1: was not to save money. It was to get his gear. Guys,
37:08
Speaker 1: we are talking about the most recent developments in the
37:11
Speaker 1: search the manhunt for Brian Laundry. Gabbie Petito's appearance insists
37:16
Speaker 1: he is alive and hiding. There are still are there not.
37:20
Speaker 1: Moss Societe searchers at Carlton Reserve very small. We go
37:26
Speaker 1: out there every day and yesterday we didn't spot anyone.
37:28
Speaker 1: But if we see anybody, it's about like a handful
37:32
Speaker 1: of what appears to be law enforcement officials on the
37:35
Speaker 1: ground on an airboat with a K nine searching the
37:38
Speaker 1: swamp area. If you have information or think you have information,
37:42
Speaker 1: it's even now more critical because the timeline has changed.
37:48
Speaker 1: Please one eight hundred call FBI one eight hundred two
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Speaker 1: to five five three two four. As has been pointed
37:56
Speaker 1: out by experts, Brian Laundry has managed to ghost to
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Speaker 1: us for twenty three days with a major head start,
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Speaker 1: Goodbye friend,