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Green and Gold Brothers Episode 2 · Green and Gold Brothers

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast, the place for all things packers related.
• 0:10
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• 0:19
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to the Green and Gold Brothers Podcast.
• 0:21
  SPEAKER_01: Just want to throw a big thank you out there to all our supporters who liked and followed and left comments on our first episode.
• 0:29
  SPEAKER_01: Today on episode two, we will be breaking down a handful of topics from OTAs.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_01: Hope you enjoy.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: So, for starters, I want to clarify that we are going to be mostly an opinion-based podcast.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_00: We are going to take information that we find from other people who cover and post from the Packers themselves, the NFL, wherever that information may come from.
• 0:56
  SPEAKER_00: We're going to take those topics and then just kind of break them down further in our own opinion rather than trying to claim that we're we're first or we're breaking news.
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: We we live too far away from Lambo for that, unfortunately.
• 1:08
  SPEAKER_00: So we're going to try to get there a little bit for training camp and maybe a game or two, but we are mostly going to be just breaking down some information that is already out there.
• 1:18
  SPEAKER_00: So just wanted to clarify that for you guys, just so everybody's kind of on the same page as we get going into this.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so let's dive in right away.
• 1:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um kind of a hot topic out there.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: We're not going to touch too much on it.
• 1:29
  SPEAKER_01: But uh the Josh Jacobs drama, first day OTAs.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: Uh he's not with the team right now, so we'll see how that happens.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of a kind of an unfortunate situation, but uh not much we can do about it, not much we're gonna say about it.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: No, we're gonna wait and let let it play out and and kind of figure out what happens from there.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: So as far as the whole Josh Jacobs thing specifically, so we unfortunately aren't gonna make any waves today, but we'll we'll wait and see on that one.
• 1:59
  SPEAKER_01: But uh speaking of running backs, we'll talk about Marshawn Lloyd.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_01: He's running back one right now with Josh Jacobs not there.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_01: Few of the clips you and I had been sending back and forth to each other, we were talking about.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_01: He looks so good, he looks very twitchy.
• 2:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um fingers crossed.
• 2:15
  SPEAKER_01: Fingers crossed, the guy does not get hurt.
• 2:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, we we we're probably gonna need him for sure.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_01: Um, at least one way or another.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_00: Early, even even if early in the process, he's not the starter.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_00: He's gonna be a guy that needs to be available to play.
• 2:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um if if we could get ten games, yeah.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: I think I would take it.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's coming into year three, he's got one series under his belt as his NFL career.
• 2:41
  SPEAKER_00: So anything that we can get from here going on going forward, I think would be would be nice.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah, he looked really good.
• 2:49
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, excited to see his progress, and hopefully he continues that throughout the summer here.
• 2:54
  SPEAKER_01: We'll talk about some running back ads here just in the off chance.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: Some contingency plan.
• 3:00
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: Um, some names that have been thrown out by uh other people and by you and I together.
• 3:06
  SPEAKER_01: Uh Alvin Kamara, there was a rumor there for a little bit that Green Bay may reach out.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_00: And um I think that one maybe has the most smoke.
• 3:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh it is yet to be determined if he would be willing to to move.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_00: I know you mentioned it to me before that I saw and I forgot that he he had straight up said if I get traded, I'm probably gonna retire.
• 3:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I think that was the last two seasons because his name's kind of been thrown out around the trade deadline and pretty much wants to retire a New Orleans Saint, or Which is cool.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: That you don't see that very often.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and it seems like they've respected that idea because he's remained on the States.
• 3:47
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see how that one uh pans out.
• 3:50
  SPEAKER_01: He would look good in green and yellow, though.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 3:54
  SPEAKER_01: Another name here, uh, pretty familiar.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um Isaac Gurendo.
• 3:58
  SPEAKER_01: A lot of you former or a lot of you Badger fans remember Isaac Gurendo.
• 4:02
  SPEAKER_01: Um bring him in.
• 4:05
  SPEAKER_01: Be a perfect fit, I think.
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_01: You know, it's a young player, athletic, guy waiting for his shot.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: Familiar in the he's in the Kyle Shanahan system, so familiar with uh the LaFleur system.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 4:18
  SPEAKER_01: And then uh one last oh two, sorry, we got two more names here.
• 4:21
  SPEAKER_01: Uh another former badger, Braylon Allen.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_00: Just saying we went with three former badgers.
• 4:29
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I guess they did.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_01: That was totally unintentional.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: I did not realize that while looking at our list here, but yeah, uh Braylon Allen been uh backup uh for the Jets here the last and they just re-signed Brees Hall to an extension, which kind of blocks Braylon over there a little bit.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_00: And his numbers are impressive.
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: Like he he was on a very short list of of some of the accomplishments that he's had so far, um, both passing or in the passing game and the running game.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_00: Um yeah, Braylon Allen, that's probably my preferred option.
• 5:04
  SPEAKER_00: I've I'd be 100% fine with that.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_00: If it comes to that situation, again, maybe maybe Josh Jacobs is playing for the Packers this year, and none of this is even relevant in two weeks, six weeks, whatever.
• 5:16
  SPEAKER_00: So we'll go from there.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_01: And our last name we'll throw out.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_01: This is probably not gonna happen, but um about two years ago there were rumors that Green Bay was interested in almost happened.
• 5:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, almost got uh Jonathan Taylor from the Indianapolis Colts.
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: There was a lot of trade buzz um after the fact it came out that there were some draft picks offered, and sounded like the Colts wanted Christian Watson, and Green Bay just wasn't willing to make that happen.
• 5:44
  SPEAKER_00: I am more than okay with that.
• 5:46
  SPEAKER_00: I think that was probably a good decision at the time and has uh remained a good decision.
• 5:52
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and so so yeah, we're we're not gonna sit here and and say that this one's gonna happen or even has a real real shot of happening.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_00: But if it does, we want to put it on record that we did mention it.
• 6:03
  SPEAKER_01: You heard it here first and probably 20 other places.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, from there we'll just hop into some uh undrafted free agents that kind of so so yes, OTAs.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_00: If you are unfamiliar, OTAs started this week.
• 6:18
  SPEAKER_00: Um sorry to cut you off there.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: No, no, you're good.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_00: We'll just kind of lay this out.
• 6:22
  SPEAKER_00: They started on Wednesday, Tuesday.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_00: Wednesday.
• 6:26
  SPEAKER_00: Tuesday or Wednesday this week.
• 6:28
  SPEAKER_00: They started this week.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_00: And um there have been a few clips.
• 6:34
  SPEAKER_00: There the media was not available the first day, it was not an option, but then the second day.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_00: So there are some some cut ups of some guys running routes and taking you know handoffs and and the whole guys in shorts type situation.
• 6:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but there were some some positives so far from from what we've seen.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_00: Um do you want to elaborate on that a little bit?
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so um one of my big undrafted free agent crushes that we got after the draft, uh J.
• 7:04
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Sturtavant.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: He uh only a few clips I saw.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: Obviously, media's limited at this type of event, but uh he looked good.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_01: Sounds like he could probably clean up his footwork, but he's uh rookie.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, a young player.
• 7:21
  SPEAKER_01: He made a pretty nasty snag, though.
• 7:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, and uh that's definitely something that pops out on film and I mean kind of gets you excited, that's for sure.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh another guy that you were um oddly enough, uh a guy that that maybe you know finds a little bit easier of a path at this point is uh Jaden Nixon, running back.
• 7:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's an undrafted rookie.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_00: Um I read that he was uh returning some punts.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_00: Um didn't I didn't see or hear a whole lot about his his reps as as a running back, but just watching some of the film and uh you know his his tape from college, I definitely see a path, you know, where where he could wind up finding his way onto either our roster or another one.
• 8:09
  SPEAKER_00: He he's a big time home run hitter.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think he ran like off the charts, but he's plenty fast and just a guy to to keep an eye on.
• 8:19
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so uh with the previous guy I mentioned, uh J.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_01: Michael Sturdemont, the pathway for him to make the 53-man roster would involve essentially Bo Melton.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, that's somebody we're gonna talk about today.
• 8:36
  SPEAKER_01: They announced yesterday that his official position, he's going back to wide receiver.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: He's not messing around as defensive back anymore.
• 8:44
  SPEAKER_01: It's wide receiver bust for him, essentially, at this point.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_01: He'll do some special teams, I'm sure.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_00: Probably, yeah.
• 8:50
  SPEAKER_00: But um I don't know.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_00: It was more fun saying that our uh cornerback four just caught a touchdown.
• 8:55
  SPEAKER_01: Right?
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was uh it was quite the experiment.
• 8:58
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think he had a single snap at defensive back in the regular season, just uh preseason.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_01: But um, yeah, we'll see.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_01: If Melton does make the team, that means they're most likely keeping seven, which would mean Sturdivant's probably a practice squad guy, and then you got a few other names like Will Shepherd, uh Brendan Rice.
• 9:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um it'd be it'd be interesting for sure to see what happens there at that position.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: But um I think that the only way, I mean not the only way, but in my opinion, one of the probably the only way that they keep seven is if they plan on using Savion Williams as kind of a I don't want to say wildcat because I mean he I think he played like two snaps like that last year.
• 9:48
  SPEAKER_00: Like a Swiss Army knife, yes, actually.
• 9:50
  SPEAKER_00: But right, he could be in the backfield, some slot stuff, just kind of all over the place type of player.
• 9:58
  SPEAKER_00: I I know they really like him and are are super excited about his his potential.
• 10:03
  SPEAKER_00: So if if that's the plan going forward is to have him, you know, sort of be an all over type of guy, then maybe I could see keeping seven.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: But I don't know.
• 10:13
  SPEAKER_00: I think Bo Melton's best shot was to uh remain as that kind of both way special teams type of guy.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, like you said, he's gonna play some special teams anyway, but I think just as a true receiver, I I don't know that that he's gonna make it onto the roster.
• 10:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean we've seen it before.
• 10:33
  SPEAKER_01: He's been on the team for quite some time now and as a wide receiver before they tried converting him.
• 10:40
  SPEAKER_01: And I mean you're gonna get some good plays out of him.
• 10:43
  SPEAKER_01: I mean good player.
• 10:45
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, I think it has run its course, and either he completely balls out in preseason and they have no choice but to keep him as receiver, or good problem to have he's probably on the chopping block.
• 11:00
  SPEAKER_01: I mean I don't think he's practice quite eligible anymore.
• 11:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and I I guess could throw out the option too.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_01: If there's a team that really likes what he has brought to the table, maybe you can pick up a late round draft, sixth or seventh.
• 11:13
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I mean you never know.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you never know.
• 11:15
  SPEAKER_01: It's it's an interesting thought, that's for sure.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I I think he's uh he's a guy that you either love or you're over him.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_00: And I maybe fall more on the love side.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_00: I like his just his demeanor, and you know, he's kind of a smaller guy that has had to fight for every minute that he's had in the NFL, and I I really appreciate those types of guys, but at the end of the day, you know, it's a it's a what have you done for me, and a lot of times it's what have you done for me lately.
• 11:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_00: And he as you know hard as it is to say, is probably replaceable.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: No, I agree.
• 11:57
  SPEAKER_01: I agree with that for sure.
• 11:58
  SPEAKER_01: Um like I said, I like I like the player too.
• 12:02
  SPEAKER_01: I just I think the idea of the player has kind of ran its course.
• 12:07
  SPEAKER_01: Umfler really, really, really loves him.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: So that I mean that that could be a factor here.
• 12:14
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I don't know who he would replace on the roster as far as guys who we think are are maybe locks already.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, or close, I should say.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_00: Locks, obviously, you're not gonna have to do that.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: That's a tough one.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:27
  SPEAKER_01: Sky Moore has a large guarantee.
• 12:30
  SPEAKER_01: So he's got high upside too.
• 12:32
  SPEAKER_01: I think he's making the team pretty much no matter what.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: I think he would have to basically muff or fumble every single kickoff or punt opportunity he had.
• 12:42
  SPEAKER_01: And maybe that's the plan.
• 12:44
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's Sky Moore versus Bo Melton in OTA's training camp, mini camp, preseason, all that.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_01: And that's possible.
• 12:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, Melton's got returnability.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: That's true.
• 12:55
  SPEAKER_00: That that's a good point.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I didn't think of that.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think, I don't know.
• 13:00
  SPEAKER_00: I I think they brought in Sky More for a purpose.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_00: I think he's as close to a lock as you can have, but that's a very interesting point.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I agree with that 100%.
• 13:10
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I I'll put my money on Sky More making the team, but it wouldn't surprise me if, you know, here we go, we got a little battle here on who's gonna be our kick returner, punt returner, and that last wide receiver to make it.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_01: May the best man win.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_01: They both aren't really guaranteed a whole lot of money, so if they That's true.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_01: And and who knows, maybe they have other plans.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot that could happen too.
• 13:34
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you hate to say it, but somebody could get hurt.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_00: And now all of a sudden you you need that spot.
• 13:39
  SPEAKER_00: So who knows what that could end up looking like.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_00: But there's a long way to go between now and and roster cut downs.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: Speaking of hurt players, I think the only two players that were not present at OTAs, uh Micah Parsons, Zach Tom.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Tom was there, I think.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: Was Tom there?
• 13:56
  SPEAKER_01: I believe so.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: He was in the rehab group.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: All right, my mistake on that.
• 13:59
  SPEAKER_01: So Micah was the only only guy that wasn't there then.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I think Matt said that he was expecting him soon probably next week.
• 14:09
  SPEAKER_00: He'll be here.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 14:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my mistake on uh on that.
• 14:12
  SPEAKER_00: But I I could be wrong on that too, but I'm almost positive I saw that he was there.
• 14:16
  SPEAKER_00: Gotcha.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I mean we'll see uh we'll see what happens and when he makes his appearance.
• 14:25
  SPEAKER_01: Hopefully it's next week.
• 14:26
  SPEAKER_00: Hopefully.
• 14:27
  SPEAKER_00: Next week is I believe mandatory minicamp.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um so this was voluntary, and then I think next week is uh mandatory for guys that uh oh, I guess Josh Jacobs was the other guy that wasn't there.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_00: Oh yeah, yeah, that was the the one you were thinking of.
• 14:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yep.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um so yeah, next week is mandatory.
• 14:47
  SPEAKER_00: They guys can get fined if you're not there.
• 14:49
  SPEAKER_00: Uh this week was just, you know, if you want to, if you want to get better, show up.
• 14:54
  SPEAKER_00: And seems like everybody uh was in that group.
• 14:57
  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, Mike is not uh doing anything quite yet, football related, so he's getting close, but yeah, he he didn't need to be there for practice.
• 15:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, um I guess we'll we'll talk about um some comments Matt LaFleur made this week about kind of rebuilding a little bit, uh retooling, scrapping some plays, kind of looking back on what you had and what you wanted to do, and how it necessarily didn't um equal the result that they were hoping for.
• 15:28
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that's you know, without actually quoting verbatim, that's basically what he said that they they took a look at some of their their plays that they have and what they felt like worked after watching them on film.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_00: They realized okay, maybe they didn't, and I don't know about you, but I sure hope that the jet sweep is one of them.
• 15:46
  SPEAKER_00: Don't get me wrong, it works like one percent of the time, and when it does, it's awesome, but I don't know.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_00: I feel like it's a play that's that's kind of run its course, and it's not necessary.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: I think we're explosive enough without it.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_00: Those are the type of plays I think that teams need to run when they can't just line up and beat you.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it's essentially you're you're trying to outsmart somebody, but they know it's coming.
• 16:13
  SPEAKER_01: Like it's it's I don't know.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_01: I pretty much since we've been running it, I mean I can only count a handful of times where it was for a positive game.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's probably a dozen three or four first downs, and maybe a touchdown in there, but yeah, it I don't think it was worth keeping it keeping it in uh the playbooks, so hopefully that's one that uh is no more.
• 16:37
  SPEAKER_01: It shows a lot though.
• 16:38
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I know a lot of people this off-season, this last offseason here were kind of very, very, very harsh critics of LaFleur and uh kind of thought he was uh a creature of habit, kind of stuck to his ways and didn't want to adjust or um you know change how he does things.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_01: Kind of coming out publicly and saying, hey, you know, I'm not perfect.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_01: We're not perfect.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: We're willing to change.
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna have to look at it, go back to the drawing board and kind of cut some things that didn't work and maybe rework some new things.
• 17:07
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll see what happens.
• 17:08
  SPEAKER_01: I I appreciate his transparency.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_00: I think you and I are kind of uh feels like in the minority sometimes, but are full supporters of Matt LaFleur.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_00: I think he is a very good head coach.
• 17:24
  SPEAKER_00: Is he perfect?
• 17:25
  SPEAKER_00: Absolutely not.
• 17:26
  SPEAKER_00: Could the results be better?
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: Probably.
• 17:29
  SPEAKER_00: But I think that anybody who thought that we should have moved on was a prisoner of the moment.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_00: Last year, you know, yes, we stumbled down the end, uh down at the end of the season, uh, and in the playoffs, obviously.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_00: Felt like a collapse, but in my opinion, I don't think it was on the offense.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: No, I'm even that last playoff game against the Bears there.
• 17:52
  SPEAKER_01: The offense was humming for the most part.
• 17:54
  SPEAKER_01: Offense didn't lose us that game.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_01: It was a lot of other things.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_01: We're not gonna dive deep into that right now, but um yeah, I I've been a full supporter of Matt LaFleur since he he's been here, and there's been some ups and downs, but that's life, and that's any other head coaching.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_01: Everybody thinks right now Ben Johnson is the best coach.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: I guarantee at certain points he's gonna go through some of the same things Matt LaFleur's gone through.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_01: You lose two or three games in a row, and your fan base is sitting there and they're uh they're wanting you fired or they're wanting changes to happen.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: So that happened last year to Andy Reid.
• 18:32
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, granted, it was probably a small number of people, but you know, Patrick Mahomes got hurt, and then all of a sudden, you know, they missed the playoffs, they're picking top 15 again, and there were definitely some people out there saying, Why can't he just retire?
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: Yep, it's time to move on.
• 18:47
  SPEAKER_00: He's uh he's done.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_00: You don't know what you got until it's gone.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so um exactly.
• 18:52
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, credit to Matt LaFleur there.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um, a few other things here we'll talk about before uh we head out of here.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_01: Um the new cutdown date.
• 19:02
  SPEAKER_01: They just announced August 30th is when teams need to be down to 53 guys, and then I believe following that you're able to start building your practice squad pretty much almost immediately.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_00: I think so.
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_00: I guess I didn't uh didn't fully read the the release.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_00: I did see that the date changed, which is good because then that's a little bit less time for us to wait.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I remember sitting, you know, sitting at work checking, did they did they release it yet?
• 19:29
  SPEAKER_01: Who who got cut?
• 19:30
  SPEAKER_01: Who made the team?
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you sit there, scroll through Twitter, and you have different uh different sources, different beat reporters that one guy will release two or three guys that he knows.
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yep, then another guy releases one or two, and then by the end of the day you piece it all together and you have three multiple cut downs.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah, it's always uh always an interesting interesting day to see who the the first final 53-man roster is going into the 2026 season.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_00: That's a good point.
• 19:56
  SPEAKER_00: Uh to to phrase it like that.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um I think it's it's pretty clear that the initial 53, uh, obviously in the game of football is not your final 53, but even so much as the by the start of the first game.
• 20:12
  SPEAKER_00: Like sometimes that'll happen too.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_00: You have an initial 53, and then a guy could get hurt in practice, or you know, somebody got cut that you didn't expect.
• 20:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, okay, now this guy who thought they made it now is on the outside looking in because they replaced them.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: Well, you got Micah starting on the PUP, so that's the other thing.
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_01: By week four, somebody that made the 53 is probably gone, and Mike is back.
• 20:36
  SPEAKER_01: So yeah.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: Um, hopefully they can hang on to some of these guys on the practice squad.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_01: And um, do you want to talk about a few bubble guys here?
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so we could we could get into that.
• 20:46
  SPEAKER_00: There's some guys that you know who every year it feels like, how how are they still on this team?
• 20:53
  SPEAKER_00: And then there's other guys where it's like, why were we even thinking about getting rid of him?
• 20:57
  SPEAKER_00: So I think the receiver room, I love that we sort of simplified and made the the room smaller but maybe more efficient.
• 21:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um going with less of a rotation of all the guys, not necessarily having uh quote wide receiver number one and having four what number ones.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: At times it felt like it turned into four number twos at best.
• 21:26
  SPEAKER_00: So to to kind of have your your top three set, I think could be beneficial.
• 21:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think it will be beneficial, not that it could, I think it will.
• 21:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so far, speaking of that, just we'll go on a little tangent here.
• 21:40
  SPEAKER_00: Jordan Love and Matthew Golden so far in the first couple days of OTAs have looked awesome.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like they have a real connection, and I think that could be very, very positive news for Packer fans and and just the team in general.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: So Yeah, it's the typical wide receiver.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: Arc agreed.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: Jordy Nelson, Devontae Adams.
• 22:04
  SPEAKER_01: I guess Randall Cobb had kind of an impact his rookie year, but but it kind of fell off.
• 22:09
  SPEAKER_00: It definitely was a splash in the pan, and then okay, who is this guy?
• 22:12
  SPEAKER_00: And then yeah, year two.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: We've been telling all of you.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: Just let it brew, it'll happen.
• 22:17
  SPEAKER_01: And I think this is the year.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he solidified himself uh a top three role now.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, with moving on from uh Romeo Dobbs.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_01: So it'll be interesting to see how they they actually line up, you know.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: How they utilize them is is their their base personnel Christian Watson and Jaden Reed, and then when they go to three, then Reed moves inside, or is it gonna be Christian Watson and Matthew Golden, and then Jaden Reed is just purely in the slot?
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: I guess that will be an interesting thing to watch, keep an eye on, to see how they they utilize that.
• 22:51
  SPEAKER_00: Uh running back, we could that one's gonna be wide open.
• 22:56
  SPEAKER_00: I think Pierre Strong has a chance, whether Josh Jacobs is on the roster or not, has a chance to to crack it.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_00: Um he's gonna need a big preseason and continue what he's doing, but he's another guy that I think they are pretty high on.
• 23:10
  SPEAKER_00: Um I know I talked about Jaden Nixon, and that's that's sort of my maybe crush as of now, is to to have him have a good showing, but Peter Strong is another name that has been thrown around as as a guy that they really like.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, some other bubble guys.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_01: Um Jacob Monk at the center position.
• 23:32
  SPEAKER_01: He he has to have a big camp, or else he's I think so too.
• 23:36
  SPEAKER_01: He's uh he's gone.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_01: You got other guys behind him who have versatility at both center and guard, including the draft pick.
• 23:46
  SPEAKER_01: I don't think Jacob Monk really has much versatility besides center.
• 23:51
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, I don't know if we've we've probably experimented around with him uh throughout training camp and preseason as guard, but I think he came in a couple times um last year as a backup guard and it did not go well.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 24:03
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, he may be locked into just the backup center, and if that's the case, typically, especially in Green Bay, draft picks have the inside track on that.
• 24:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, very much like even if it's it doesn't even really have to be neck and neck, they have a full advantage to be kept.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 24:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, any other positions you think?
• 24:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um you had mentioned Isaiah McDuffie.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, yes, very true.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_01: I kind of forgot about that.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: I think that I think he's pretty safe, personally.
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I get what you're saying.
• 24:42
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he doesn't really do anything great.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was kind of my whole argument was he's average at everything, but he's not really great at anything.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_01: True.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: He can't really cover.
• 24:56
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, he doesn't have that speed, decent tackler.
• 24:59
  SPEAKER_01: He's got the locker room, you know, presence.
• 25:01
  SPEAKER_01: He's got the respect from the team.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_01: So that's something.
• 25:04
  SPEAKER_01: Uh was he a special teams captain last year?
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: I believe he was.
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_01: I think he was.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: I just I see uh Tyrone Hopper kind of sitting there waiting.
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_01: Last this is year three now for him, I believe.
• 25:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yep.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: He really hasn't made any huge plays.
• 25:19
  SPEAKER_01: He did have an interception in the playoff game last year against the Bears when he when he got the call.
• 25:25
  SPEAKER_01: Um, maybe there's some reason why Hopper's not getting out there.
• 25:28
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe he just struggling in the classroom part of it.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_01: Maybe it's an attitude thing.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: We don't know.
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just shooting from the hip here.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_00: It's possible it was the the former coaching staff as well.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_00: True.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_00: You know, maybe they it wasn't lining up the way that he wanted, or that they wanted him, not necessarily fully lining up, but just the talent and just putting everything together.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you know, sometimes if if you have to think too much, you're slow.
• 25:51
  SPEAKER_00: And that could be a a situation that was the case there.
• 25:57
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe it's I don't know.
• 26:00
  SPEAKER_00: Like you said, it there it could be a number of things.
• 26:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I I don't know, I would be less surprised if they stuck with McDuffie over Hopper.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_00: I think Hopper maybe has more upside, but I think with McDuffie, you know what you have.
• 26:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh special teams captain, like we mentioned, and you brought up too, like great locker room guy.
• 26:23
  SPEAKER_00: Those guys, you can never have enough of those guys.
• 26:25
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I guess he wouldn't be a roster bubble guy.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: I guess it would be more of a surprise if McDuffie got released.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, sure.
• 26:31
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_01: Come a breakdown or cut down time, but I could see it.
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_01: I I could definitely, I mean, we've seen it in the past.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh remember when Josh Sitton got released?
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: It was like, what in the heck just happened?
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_01: It including him, I think.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so I mean, you never know.
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_01: There's plenty of opportunity for surprises.
• 26:47
  SPEAKER_00: So um I think it's possible Kitano Ladapo is is a guy that gets moved.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 26:58
  SPEAKER_00: Um he's another guy that, you know, granted he was a later round draft pick, but he hasn't really done a whole lot.
• 27:05
  SPEAKER_00: He's a decent special teamer, he's a big box safety type.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and and maybe maybe the new scheme, he finds more of a home, but he he kind of gives me um Josh Jones vibes.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_01: You know, good athlete, nice, nice player, but he may benefit from the lack of depth that we have at safety.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:27
  SPEAKER_01: Where you have no choice but to keep three or four.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: True.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: I think yeah, that that's a good point.
• 27:35
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Bullard is, you know, he's listed as a safety, but he's he's our he's our slot guy.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, 100%.
• 27:41
  SPEAKER_00: And that I'm excited about that.
• 27:43
  SPEAKER_00: I think he He looks good.
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, he does look good.
• 27:46
  SPEAKER_01: Especially once you put that number seven on him.
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: He just a different animal.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: Uh yeah, he he's our slot guy.
• 27:53
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I think I think the backup slot guy is probably Cise.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 27:57
  SPEAKER_00: Right now.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: I agree.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: Uh obviously long way to go again.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: But I think he's shown some potential ability there that he can do it at least.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_00: So in a an injury situation, he's a guy that could could fill in.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I think with Oladopo being a guy for me who's on the bubble, I think that spot could be filled by an outside somebody that gets cut, maybe a vet or even just a guy that doesn't make it over a draft pick on another team.
• 28:30
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, not saying that it's gonna be a huge you know, splash free agent signing, but there are guys that are 50, 51, 52, 53 on your roster that, you know, they're they're a play or two away from no longer being there.
• 28:48
  SPEAKER_00: And that's kind of a a spot that I think you know could be taken up by by your fourth safety, who maybe doesn't see the field a lot.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_00: Although, again, with Bullard playing in the slot, that basically makes Oladopo your backup safety in you know in your your main setup for defense.
• 29:08
  SPEAKER_00: So so maybe he is safe, and we find another one for the next spot, but but yeah, that that's another guy that I think maybe kind of needs to keep his head on a swivel this offseason and preseason and as we get closer to the year.
• 29:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I think that finishes it up for today.
• 29:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um OTAs are back next week.
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_01: I think, like Cody said earlier, it's mandatory.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: I believe so.
• 29:31
  SPEAKER_01: So we should see Micah.
• 29:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, probably not out practicing, maybe with the rehab group or potentially.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_01: You'll you'll see his face, though.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, we'll we'll get some uh I'm sure in the playbook an interview here or there with them, answering some questions.
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: But uh yeah, once again, thank you guys for supporting our first episode and uh hope to have uh more coming at you here before we kick off into the season and then our plan moving forward after we we kind of get to August and September and and get into the year, you know, we're we're planning on doing some some game breakdowns.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_00: So the fun stuff.
• 30:07
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we probably will be a little more animated then uh and you know, maybe some back and forth a little bit better.
• 30:14
  SPEAKER_00: Right now we're very much on the same page with stuff.
• 30:18
  SPEAKER_00: So if if you're looking for some arguing and and some some back and forth wait till September.
• 30:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, what once the games happen, I think we will give you more of that.
• 30:28
  SPEAKER_00: Um we we definitely watch the game similar, but there's stuff we see very differently.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_00: So we will we will definitely have that for you as well.
• 30:36
  SPEAKER_00: So if uh if you're interested in that, buckle up and and hang on and stick with us until then.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_00: See you next week.
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: Or next time.