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Patriots Unfiltered 9/29: NFL Week 4 Picks, Packers Preview, Thursday Practice Report and Mac Jones Update · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: So how did Mac look? He was not there? No,
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  Speaker 1: he I just can't believe this, it happens. Let maybe
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  Speaker 1: the first one to say it, not a team player
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  Speaker 1: who doesn't want it. And I promise you, but the
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  Speaker 1: x NFL quarterback was not Scott zol Wow. What circles
• 1:02
  Speaker 1: are you running with? Parilla? What's going on here? You
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  Speaker 1: can't tell, Babe, Parilli. At times we've seen Bill take
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  Speaker 1: out the hose, put that away. Press commence went from
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  Speaker 1: ten and a half to nine and a half. You
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  Speaker 1: could because Matt could play. I think I saw that
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  Speaker 1: it might have moved last night. Actually, when I'm in
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  Speaker 1: the middle of a start, you have the type rope
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  Speaker 1: surgery into the wide zone and Fred playing the role
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It is Thursday here
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  Speaker 1: at Gillette Stadium. So we're officially at our last show
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  Speaker 1: of the week. We're gonna do our picks, our final
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  Speaker 1: ruminations about the week that has that was, and the
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  Speaker 1: week the weekend to be, so lots to talk about.
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  Speaker 1: Um and of course, uh, mac Watch mac Watches number
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  Speaker 1: one continues to uh, I mean we were led to
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  Speaker 1: continues to be a story that he could play Sunday
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  Speaker 1: Yeah on the Twitter machine. Are you buying it? I'm not. No,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not either. And I think if he plays, it's crazy,
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  Speaker 1: like like what are we doing? I mean, it might
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  Speaker 1: upset me more if he plays. Yeah, really yeah, why
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  Speaker 1: would you be upset because of his reaction on his
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  Speaker 1: last Sunday Wow. But you never know, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: pain could have been excruciating, And but he still plays.
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  Speaker 1: I think if he plays, it's the legend of Mac grows.
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  Speaker 1: He's got to play well, like he's like, hey, he
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  Speaker 1: played on one leg and he was terrible, isn't he great? Really?
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  Speaker 1: Are just different now, No, I mean, especially if he
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  Speaker 1: wins the game on one angle and ah, oh god,
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  Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen. The toughest quarterback in the NFL,
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  Speaker 1: I stand by it. I still make fun of Paul Pierce.
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  Speaker 1: They won that game. I still make fun of Paul
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  Speaker 1: Pierce to this day. Great great Celtic won the championship.
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  Speaker 1: I still laugh at him and mock him for going
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  Speaker 1: off the court in a in a wheelchair. Now you're consistent.
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  Speaker 1: We got a pre you with it last year with
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  Speaker 1: Barmore when he went off with that knee injury and
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  Speaker 1: was rolling around. It was grab at him. I let
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  Speaker 1: him out of my dogofs, but I was mad at him. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Here's where I'll give Matt credit. He didn't start bawling
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  Speaker 1: until he got down the stairs. He hopped off on
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  Speaker 1: his own. Worse, No, he hopped off on his own
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  Speaker 1: without any help. All the way down there, no help.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to do hop no help. He looks ready
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  Speaker 1: for hard to hop with help. Well, he I'm telling you,
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  Speaker 1: he wouldn't take the help. He's like, let me get
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  Speaker 1: It's like the hockey play. The tough hockey players, they
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  Speaker 1: skate off. They don't they don't get help. They skate
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  Speaker 1: off and they come back. It's a little different. It
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  Speaker 1: isn't yes the pucks and play in hockey like you. No, no,
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  Speaker 1: I can't just like stitch me up rolling, you know.
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  Speaker 1: Now it's a little different now they try to play
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  Speaker 1: up those board plays. You know. Yeah, I got hit
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  Speaker 1: a little back going on now in hockey. But anyway, No,
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  Speaker 1: Ma's a tough guy, tough mother. I don't think anybody
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  Speaker 1: said any different now, but if he plays on Sunday,
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  Speaker 1: people will say different. He's definitely tough. But I'm just personally,
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  Speaker 1: I'm just really kind of over this, Like I just
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  Speaker 1: I just want to know, like what like it just
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  Speaker 1: would be. I'd have such a clear sense if he
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  Speaker 1: just could. You know, all right, he's gonna be out
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  Speaker 1: for a few weeks or I mean the perfect world
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  Speaker 1: be not perfect world, but go on, I are like,
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  Speaker 1: all right, we know we're not gonna have him. We're
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  Speaker 1: gonna rally around Hoyer. I mean, they brought Howyer out
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  Speaker 1: yesterday to do the you know, do the weekly press conference,
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  Speaker 1: so you know, they're tipping their hand a little bit,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like with that stuff. Um but I I
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  Speaker 1: just it's just unfortunate with the start that they've had
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  Speaker 1: and kind of the storylines that have been you know,
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  Speaker 1: drummed out. Man. Now it's like this next level to
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  Speaker 1: it with all this Max stuff. It's just it's exhausting.
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  Speaker 1: You just want to watch the team and analyze the
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  Speaker 1: team and figure out how they're playing and what they
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  Speaker 1: need to do to be better. Um but right now
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  Speaker 1: you're just so caught up in and all this stuff
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  Speaker 1: of Mac and the injury and is he gonna play?
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  Speaker 1: And you know, I feel like there's just no real
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  Speaker 1: attention being paid to like the actual game and to
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  Speaker 1: you know, what the Patriots need to do to win it,
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  Speaker 1: and and you know where they stand right now and
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  Speaker 1: what they're looking at with Detroit and Cleveland coming up, like,
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  Speaker 1: you know, those things I feel like are kind of
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  Speaker 1: by the wayside right right now at the moment. Unfortunately. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean our scouting of the team has been sort
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  Speaker 1: of halted a little bit. You know, it's like now
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  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, you're not seeing the complete version of
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  Speaker 1: the team, but like we said the other day, Like
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  Speaker 1: for us, you know, because we're more astute observers of
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  Speaker 1: the team, I think it'll be interesting to see not Hoyer,
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  Speaker 1: but the rest of the team and you know, offense
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  Speaker 1: and see how they do. You know, with a guy
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  Speaker 1: who he can run the offense. He may not get
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  Speaker 1: the ball there, you know, but let's see how the
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  Speaker 1: offense functions with another quarterback. Yeah. I thought it was interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Hoyer yesterday in his press conference, they asked him about them.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was Tommy Curran asked him about the
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  Speaker 1: twenty twenty game and the circumstances of that, and I
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  Speaker 1: thought it was interesting, Hoyer said. You know, I when
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  Speaker 1: Cam go covid, I was thinking I had COVID because
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  Speaker 1: I had been in the room with them the whole day.
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  Speaker 1: Not only was it the lack of preparation, but it
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  Speaker 1: just puts a little bit of context on you know,
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  Speaker 1: that performance and how kind of unique. Okay until he
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  Speaker 1: got into the red zone. Yeah right, yeah, And that's
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  Speaker 1: and that's why it's like, all right, can he play
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  Speaker 1: just well enough to see what this offense might look
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  Speaker 1: like without three turnovers at the end of the game
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  Speaker 1: that that kill you. You know, like, like I mean,
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  Speaker 1: it might be asking a lot of him not to
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  Speaker 1: turn the ball over with this defense, and you know
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  Speaker 1: how good they are upfront and disruptive and all that.
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  Speaker 1: But I mean, I'm definitely interested to see, you know,
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  Speaker 1: just kind of how a different quarterback looks in this
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  Speaker 1: We've been spending so much time talking about this offense
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  Speaker 1: and and you know the changes and all that, Like
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  Speaker 1: all right, well let's you know, let's get another sample
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  Speaker 1: with Brian Hoyer and see how he kind of looks.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it very well might look not good. Brian
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  Speaker 1: hoy is gonna look like Brian Hoyer. You know. I'm
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  Speaker 1: just make some throws, miss some through I mean there
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  Speaker 1: are sometimes I remember he definitely made throws in camp,
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  Speaker 1: but there's a few I remember looking at you, Paul,
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  Speaker 1: like with someone like whoa, you know, airmail just like
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  Speaker 1: coming in hot fifteen feet high. I think it'd be fine.
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  Speaker 1: I'm not really worried about Brian Hoyer in the game.
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  Speaker 1: I'm worried about pretty much everything else. Um, But that's
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  Speaker 1: like I don't feel all that different, you know, And
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  Speaker 1: I kind of agree with Mike said it's unfortunate that
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  Speaker 1: all we're talking about is is mac Jones gonna play?
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  Speaker 1: When is he going to play? How long is he
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  Speaker 1: going to be out? I mean, and I get that
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  Speaker 1: that's what Bill wants because he wants there to be uncertainty.
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  Speaker 1: I think I think he wants Green Bay to be
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  Speaker 1: thinking about it. Well, I was talking to somebody on
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  Speaker 1: the inside and I was, you know, saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: they're just making it a bigger story than it needs
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  Speaker 1: to be. And you know, why why can't they just
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  Speaker 1: say he's gonna miss some time? And you know that's
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  Speaker 1: no Never the more you you can't win when you're
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  Speaker 1: talking about injuries. The less you say, the better. Oh,
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  Speaker 1: why are they talking about it so much? Always I
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  Speaker 1: would agree with that, Yeah, but why are they talking
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  Speaker 1: about it so much? Who is? I can give you
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  Speaker 1: the first twelve minutes of the press conference just today
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  Speaker 1: was all about the injuries. I know, but Bill is
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  Speaker 1: to point to Mike's point, if you do what Mike says,
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  Speaker 1: you got no talk about injuries. Well, well, I don't
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  Speaker 1: know about that, but I'm he Bill is refusing to
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  Speaker 1: talk about it. Did you watch the same press conference
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  Speaker 1: that I did? Yeah, when he said day by day
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  Speaker 1: like twelve times, I think Mike Reas called that's refusing
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  Speaker 1: to talk about the injury, that he's those are questions
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  Speaker 1: about the injury. He's talking about it, but he didn't
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  Speaker 1: ask the questions. Well, obviously, but if he tells you
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  Speaker 1: that he's not gonna play, no, one's gonna ask him
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  Speaker 1: about the injury. That's it over. But then they said,
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  Speaker 1: well when Willie? But then Green Bay would know he's
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  Speaker 1: not gonna play. No. But then then this Mike's point
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  Speaker 1: about putting him on IR eliminates it for four weeks.
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  Speaker 1: Well okay, but maybe they think, you know, I'm just
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  Speaker 1: talking about the players that are on the team. Yeah, bingo,
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  Speaker 1: and that's it. There's no more questions about Mac Jones's
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  Speaker 1: injury for at least three of those weeks. So you're
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  Speaker 1: saying that anybody ask about Tai Kwon Thornton this week,
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  Speaker 1: by the way, no, or Lawrence Guy. Well, I'm more
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  Speaker 1: concerned about Tae Kwon Thornton because can't he start practicing
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  Speaker 1: now after what four games? After this one? I think
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  Speaker 1: he can play out for four games. I think he
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  Speaker 1: can practice this week. Yeah, I'm not sure. Nobody asked,
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  Speaker 1: but he wasn't out there anyway, right, because EV would
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  Speaker 1: have said that, Yeah, maybe I don't know, maybe that's changing.
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  Speaker 1: Maybe with the change in that maybe you no longer
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  Speaker 1: can practice, But I thought you could practice the week
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  Speaker 1: before and then that starts the clock as to win,
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  Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I don't know. No, these rules seem
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  Speaker 1: to that this minor tweaks to these rules all the time. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: so maybe he has to wait another week before you
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  Speaker 1: can stop practicing. But you know, in terms of putting
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  Speaker 1: him an IR or not, that's where if truly he's
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  Speaker 1: gonna miss four games, it makes no sense to not
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  Speaker 1: put him an ir R, you know, because you're just
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  Speaker 1: wasting around. And I get that they might not know
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  Speaker 1: that he's going to miss from games. I'm not I'm
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  Speaker 1: just using as an example, right, So, like, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure they don't care. But I mean, all we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about now is the relationship between the team and
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  Speaker 1: the player. How tough Mac actually is. Is he stupid
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  Speaker 1: for trying to push it? You know? Does he not
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  Speaker 1: want to get surgery? Does he want to get surgery?
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  Speaker 1: Like you know, like like it's just pushing them, They
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  Speaker 1: pushing him. This is all we're talking about. We're in caps.
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  Speaker 1: I mean it's completely enveloped into mac Jones's ankle. That's
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  Speaker 1: all this week is about. And I just can't imagine
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  Speaker 1: it would be like that if you give him some clarity, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: And I just I don't see how how the situation
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  Speaker 1: is currently set up. Max's gonna come out looking good
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  Speaker 1: in this situation, whether he comes back too soon, whether
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: he comes back too late, like everybody's going to have
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  Speaker 1: an opinion about it. Whereas and I just think because
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: they don't change that they take this to the next
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  Speaker 1: level and they have him in uniform on the field
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  Speaker 1: today or tomorrow. I was wondering about that, like, I
• 10:43
  Speaker 1: think there's a chance because I think that they're all
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  Speaker 1: in on this ruse. I really do. I think they're
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  Speaker 1: all in. And again I'll keep saying it. If he
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  Speaker 1: plays on Sunday, I will sit here and tell you
• 10:54
  Speaker 1: I was wrong. I didn't think he was going to
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  Speaker 1: play on Sunday. I'm telling you flat out, I don't
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  Speaker 1: think he's gonna play Sunday. So I'm not telling you
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  Speaker 1: that If he plays, then all of this is all
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  Speaker 1: move Like I was wrong. I didn't think there was
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  Speaker 1: any chance he was. I don't think he's gonna play either,
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  Speaker 1: you know, But I mean it just seems crazy, Like
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know it, it looked bad, but I
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  Speaker 1: just have seen them do these kinds of things too
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  Speaker 1: many times before for me to think that he's gonna play,
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  Speaker 1: that's all. And it's a severe high ankle spring, like
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  Speaker 1: you know, I get like push pretty pretty to do
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  Speaker 1: it pretty Sorry, didn't mean to go all the way
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  Speaker 1: to too severe, not really severe, but I mean I
• 11:30
  Speaker 1: see get pushing Gronk to play in the Super What
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  Speaker 1: else you gotta wait for? You don't really have an option,
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: but this is like you know, and we're just all
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  Speaker 1: cut up, like I don't think we know what actually
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  Speaker 1: the story is, who what real Mac really wants? How
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: Mac really feels right now, like you know, and and
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: you know, if you're really gonna look at this quarterback
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  Speaker 1: as a long term option here, like you know, making
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  Speaker 1: sure that that when these things happen, that we know
• 11:52
  Speaker 1: the drill and how we handle them together. And I
• 11:55
  Speaker 1: don't know, I just it's it's it was hard for
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  Speaker 1: me to watch that press conference on Monday, because I
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  Speaker 1: just I my impression of it was just that he
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  Speaker 1: should he should not be doing this right now he
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  Speaker 1: should not be talking. He should be going, you know,
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  Speaker 1: taking care of himself and worrying about that and let
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  Speaker 1: the team, you know, take the bullets for him or
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  Speaker 1: so to speak, and let him get healthy and not
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: you know, being faced with all these questions of what's
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  Speaker 1: really going on with them? Yeah, well, um, but that's
• 12:19
  Speaker 1: what everyone's talking about. Yeah, for better or worse. Five
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  Speaker 1: five hundred is the eighth ticket hotline. Web radio at
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: Patriots dot com is the email address. Um. And and yeah,
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: the game itself has taken a back seat to all
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  Speaker 1: of this. Uh, I mean we talked about it. Green
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: Bay offense is sputtering. Um, it's a lot of young
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: guys with Aaron Rodgers. The running game is doing well.
• 12:47
  Speaker 1: But their defense I think so far has been their story.
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  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, they've been They've been fun to kind
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: of watch, you know, when you get these new players
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  Speaker 1: you haven't really seen in a while, and um, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean I think that they're uh you know again,
• 13:00
  Speaker 1: it's it's just I keep flashing back to the Castle
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  Speaker 1: season when you know it's so established what Brady was
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  Speaker 1: and oh eight and you're coming off Super Bowl forty
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  Speaker 1: two and you're like, we got everybody kind of back,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and then all of the castle comes in
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  Speaker 1: and it just it just changes your whole perspective on
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  Speaker 1: the season. And you know, I think at least with
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  Speaker 1: Brady's injury, when that happened, in a way, you knew
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  Speaker 1: he was gone for the whole year, so you just
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  Speaker 1: adjusted your expectations to you know, what you were going
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  Speaker 1: to see over the course of the year. And now
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  Speaker 1: it's like, I think we're hitting the pause button on Mac,
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  Speaker 1: like I think we're gonna I don't really know for
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  Speaker 1: sure how long this could possibly be. I mean, it
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  Speaker 1: could be eight weeks. Somebody. People are speculating he could
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  Speaker 1: play this weekend, you know, So I don't really know.
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  Speaker 1: And I also wonder how the players feel about this too,
• 13:39
  Speaker 1: as like a player going into a game where you
• 13:41
  Speaker 1: you know, don't know if you're best player, may or
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  Speaker 1: may not play, and there's all these kind of antics
• 13:46
  Speaker 1: going on behind the sideline. I don't know. I just
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: I'm I'm struggling. You can probably tell well, you sent
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: around your round table questions today, yeah for us to answer,
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  Speaker 1: and they'll be out tomorrow. On the way. One of
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: the questions I was going to ask you if you
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: want to to reward that one. It was if Brian
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  Speaker 1: Hoyer starts, what will that say about the team or why? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: And I was like, what, it's just kind of what
• 14:08
  Speaker 1: Mac Jones is hurt? That's what I thought it was.
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  Speaker 1: What would you expect? No, it's it's what would it
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  Speaker 1: say about the team? Well, I guess what expect was
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: kind of what I mean. I guess how Paul read
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  Speaker 1: it was what I was getting. I just you know,
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: what's your what's your new mindset of the team with
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: with Brian Hoyer under center? And you know, how do
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: you read that wrong? I think, what? Yeah, I'm gonna
• 14:27
  Speaker 1: look it up and I apologize. I'll be clear on
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  Speaker 1: those next time. I mean, that's a tough it's a
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: tough thing to dance around. Why apologize? Oh yeah, no,
• 14:35
  Speaker 1: Fred's right, Yeah, bad kind of Brian Hoyer starting? Mean
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  Speaker 1: for the Patriots? What would it mean? It means that
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: Mac is hurt? Yeah, I answered it. I answered it
• 14:46
  Speaker 1: based on the way I thought he meant it. Yeah,
• 14:48
  Speaker 1: not like not literally like that you speak to see
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: I do I speak to But I mean that's you know,
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: what what what how do you how do you change
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  Speaker 1: your outlook on things. And you know that's why it's like,
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: all right, it was gonna be four weeks to say, okay,
• 15:02
  Speaker 1: let's get let's get two wins. You know, can we
• 15:04
  Speaker 1: get two wins out of this this little bunch right
• 15:06
  Speaker 1: here that he's gonna have to play with the Lions
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: and the Browns and the Jets. Like, I don't think
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: that that's a lot to ask. But you know, as
• 15:12
  Speaker 1: they said to Paul, I don't know about this Packers
• 15:14
  Speaker 1: game because it's Aaron Rodgers. But you know, going forward,
• 15:18
  Speaker 1: like the Lions, the Browns, the Jets, those are games
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: that the Patriots would win even with a Matt Castle
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: backup quarterback. You know, like they may not beat the
• 15:26
  Speaker 1: good teams. And I don't know how good or bad,
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: but I think this is a little bit of a
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: new perspective on where the Patriots are just as far
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: as I mean, I think we all felt like, all right,
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: when the other team is bad and plays bad, this
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: team is well enough coached and avoids enough mistakes that
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: they usually win. But in the past, I don't know
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: if that's the case anymore. So you know, I think
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: in some ways, maybe the lack of the talk about
• 15:50
  Speaker 1: the Packers is just kind of people being like, we're
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: gonna go to let Lambeau. They're probably gonna play hard
• 15:55
  Speaker 1: and probably stick around for a little while, but ultimately
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: they're probably not just gonna have the is to you know,
• 16:00
  Speaker 1: compete with a quarterback like that, with a defense and
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: you know whereas you know, can you say the same
• 16:06
  Speaker 1: thing about the Lions, like, I don't, I don't think so.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think you're going to the Lions, even
• 16:10
  Speaker 1: with Brian Hoyer, like they need to win this game,
• 16:12
  Speaker 1: especially if they're dropped to one and three, they will
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: need to. But I'm telling you I didn't pencil in
• 16:18
  Speaker 1: any of these games with Mac, so I'm certainly not
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: going to pencil amid. I mean expect to win without Max.
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: I mean I penciled in Detroit and Chicago with Mac.
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: I think Detroit is kind of a that's that that's
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: more in question. That's a game that they should win.
• 16:34
  Speaker 1: Chicago unequivocally is a game that has to be won.
• 16:36
  Speaker 1: Chicago is one of the worst one or two teams
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: in the league. They won't even let their quarterback even
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: try to throw the ball. Yeah, because they're they're definitely
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: afraid of him getting killed. So if you have that
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: bad of a team around him that you can't even
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: allow him to throw twenty passes in an NFL game,
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: and somehow they two win one doing that, that's the
• 16:54
  Speaker 1: most embarrassing part, you know. So I don't know, that's
• 16:58
  Speaker 1: a few weeks down the road, but I agree with Fred.
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think you don't know exactly what you
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: are yet, right, and if they play offense like they
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: did Sunday against Baltimore, that will be enough I think
• 17:13
  Speaker 1: to be you know, a middling to a bad team,
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: because A, I think you won't turn it over as
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: many times against a bad team as you did Sunday,
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: And B I think if you were able to score
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: like that and make a bad team chase you, I
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: think that you'll be able to beat a bad team.
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: So that's where it kind of changes. But if it's
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: all the exact same and you continue to turn it
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: over three or four times, you're gonna lose to anybody. Yep.
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: Not a lot of teams can can get away with
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: turning it over four times in winning, especially like that,
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: like three in the fourth quarter, for you know, all
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: of them in the second half of the game on
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: the line. That's I mean, if they do that to
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: Detroit and give Detroit extra possessions, their offense has been
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: pretty good. They'll find a way the other. Like the
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: green Bay thing, Like you remember that, the whole Kansas
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: City situation. You know, Kansas City's was, if not the best,
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: they were one of the best teams in football that season,
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: Like you know at that point, and now you find out,
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: you know, Cam's not even playing. The Patriots are down.
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: It was a big let down for them. They played
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: like like they weren't even really there for half of
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: that game. You're not going to get that. I don't
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: think with green Bay. Green Bay is not good enough
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: to do that. They have all new guys trying to
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: figure it out. They're trying to figure out what they are.
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: I don't think they're overly concerned about what you are.
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Did you happen to see Matt Lafloor, by the way,
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: talking about Brian Hoyer. No, watch these cut ups of
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Brian Hoyer and you see these players, You think he
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: was one of the best quarterbacks in the league. And
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Bill just said respect respects got all three of his plays. Yeah, Well,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: like we said, he'sze eleven and his last eleven starts
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: they were you know, what was it, six seven years
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: ago at Cleveland he had a little bit counting the playoffs. Yeah, yeah,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: he had a little bit of a stretch there. He did,
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: he had and he had a street. He's a thirteen fourteen, fifteen.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: He was a winning quarterback. Good example of what we said,
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: if everything's perfect for any guy in this league, they
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: can succeed. He's including him. He knows how to run
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: an offense. He knows how to be a quarterback, and
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: that's what I would expect, you know, I would expect
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: him to be to be decent. Yeah, he knows what
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: he's doing back there. He's not you know, somebody who's
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: lost in the lights. Yeah, he knows what he's doing. No,
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: it was good. It was good to hear from him.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: I think he's Um. He's a really likable guy. I mean,
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: I know he's got a little bit of an edge
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to him, but um, but he was a good sport.
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: Is that for me? Guy's throwing the AXL questions out,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I'm like, oh god, you know, in the middle of
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: the press conference, one of the you know, one of
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: the big one of the big the big news reporters.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: I always love when those guys come down because you know,
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: there's major news. And he was like, did anybody ask
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: He came in late, and he was like, you know, um,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: I think he was talking to Alan Siegel, like anyone
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: to ask about actually, you know, like and they're like
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: talking in the middle of like a news reporter was breathless,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: wondering if anybody asked him about Axel and that's news
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: and then Alan and then Alan was like, no, I
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: didn't just I mean, I just said hello Axel and
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: he responded, oh, thanks, Mattha. And then the news reporter guy,
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: I think it was Duke. You know it was where
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: Axel cover time? Duke. Yeah, okay, he's a sports guy.
• 20:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm sorry I miss misdescribed him initially,
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: but yeah, I thought it was like a Byron Barnett
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: coming down. Mike, you're not you're not a Capital Jake journalist.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: Please step aside and let the real reporters bill. What
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: would you say to the fans who demands to know? Right? Well,
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: that was like a Brown Antonio Brown. I know. Well
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: that's why I was waiting for it for I mean,
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: I thought that the big guy was down here, like
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: he's coming down to ask about I love when the
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: news reporters come down, show us how it's done. Mac
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Jones injury, and they never get it done. They never
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: get it done. They come in they you know, oh
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: I'll get the answer. I'll get this Axel mystery out
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, my parents just named me that. Oh
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but but it was, it was, it was,
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you know, interesting to have him be the be the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: quarterback yesterday. I mean, there was some can usu if
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: he was gonna go, if he was gonna go with
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: his locker, where are we going to carry it? And
• 21:03
  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, it's all happening and he
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: started going, I'm just looking at at Horrier's stats and
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: like the whole, like the good stretch thing went in.
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: In fourteen, he went seven and six as the starter
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: with Cleveland, which on the surface seems pretty good. You know,
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: they're they're you know, thirteen starts. He went seven and
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: six with Cleveland. Not easy to do Cleveland, but completed
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: fifty five percent of his passes with twelve touchdowns and
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: thirteen picks. Yeah, so anyway that Cleveland, he was a
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: little better than we you know, kind of gave it
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: credit for it. But I think in that season, I'm
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: not talking about the season, there was a stretch within
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: the season where he did well and then he dropped
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: off at the end. Yeah, I know, I don't remember
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: the specifics of it, but I remember just being happy
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: for him that he was, you know, getting a chance
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: and playing well. And I mean, and then he got
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: hurt in Green Bay at that game he started. I mean,
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: I remember he had a I think he tores acl
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: not then at another points He's just had really bad
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: luck too with some of his uh you know, injuries
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: and you know, get an opportunity and then you get
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: hurt and stuff, so and stuff. Let's see. I think
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: I think he's been no, I'm not trying to tell
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: you pretty bad. I mean, he completes less than sixty
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: percent of his passes. It's not exactly a small sample size.
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: That's a very very low number. That is for today's
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: end of the NFL. That's you you gotta be like
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: mid sixty five, Yeah, mid sixties. He's fifty nine point three.
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: He's sixteen and twenty three as a starter. That I mean,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: that's a good amount of starts. Yeah, those are Ryan
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Fitzpatrick numbers. Yeah, in other words, bad. Do you see
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: about how much Ryan Fitzpatrick doesn't like Tom Brady? Do
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: you see any of those? Yeah, I mean, yeah, he's
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: doesn't have a lot of respect for him. Yeah. So
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: that one time they beat him in, like I think
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: with twenty eleven when they beat him up in, you
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: didn't come out and say thank you, congratulations. He put
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: up a fight and a bunch of those games. I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: mean he got Brady a few times, especially at the
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: end of that that nineteen game at the end of
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: the season. That one was that was not good. That
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: was a bad one. Yeah, I got the last laugh there.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I think Fitzpatrick is funny, you know, Like I remember
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: we went up to Buffalo and he did well and
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: they were like, okay, we got our guy and they
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: signed him to that deal and yeah, yeah, he just
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: he's not consistent. You just can't. It's hard to find
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: a consistent quarter. Yeah. All right, five five past five
• 23:24
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• 23:27
  Speaker 1: We got picks today. We have to hurry just a
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: little preview. How did people do? Just overall? You guys
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: are struggling. Really, come on, that's my preview. Yeah, okay,
• 23:37
  Speaker 1: you guys are struggling, but not you mad bad. I'm
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: struggling for me, but not in relation to you guys. Okay,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: all right, Uh let's get to the phones. We'll start
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: with Tyler and Connecticut. Hey, ty Jo left over from
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: the postgame show. Uh, Melvin's in Tennessee. What's up, Melviny? Hey? Um,
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I just got a question about Green Bay about how
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: you all would I guess side with Aaron Rodgers with this.
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: I guess his little beef was with them that they
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: didn't get him a lot of weapons. I guess throughout
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Green Bay. I feel like the I guess I can
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: kind of see his point. A lot of his teams
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: from more top heavy. He didn't have like the dam
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: and dollar, so whatever option for So would you all
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: feel like that he has a point with his lack
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: of weapons, weapons, a lack of bringing people into fully
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: maximized green based opportunity or would you side more with
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the owners of like you know it was good nothing
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: the season you won all these regular season games, did
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: you know you did the MVPs? You just didn't come
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: through in the playoffs wouldn't matter. So who are would
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: you really be signed for? And that I think I'd
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: be signing with Aaron Rodgers. Actually I side with neither side. Oh,
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: I think it's ridiculous that a team has a philosophy
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: that they don't sign free agents. We just don't do it. Yeah,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: I think that's ridiculous. So I sided with Aaron Rodgers
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: on the other side to suggest that Aaron Rodgers doesn't
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: have weapons when he had Davante Adams for all those
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: years and Randall Cobbles right now, No, this, at this
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: particular moment in time, they just drafted two receivers for him,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: like in this particular draft. Yeah. Yeah. The only the
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: only thing that I would I would sign with Aaron
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: Rodgers on is the Jordan Love pick. That would piss
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: me off too if I were Aaron Rodgers, like you
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: drafted him a replacement and you're not gonna get You're
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: not gonna sign me any free agents, but you're gonna
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: drap my replacement. That would piss me off too. But otherwise,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: I think Aaron Rodgers has kind of come up small
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: in the biggest spots, Like do I think he's not great? No?
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: I think he's one of the greatest quarterbacks ever. But
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: did they lose last year because they didn't have enough weapons?
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Did they lose to San Francisco in that game because
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: of weapons or because he couldn't put any points on
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: the board, right, Like, part of it is you got
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: to look in the mirror and find out why you're
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: not coming up big when it when it matters most.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: They've had a lot of lambeau Field loss is in
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: the playoffs. So I'll make I'll push back a little
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: bit and play the side of Aaron Rodgers. When you
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: get to the playoffs, you play the better teams with
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: better defenses. And the fact when I don't have weapons,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: it shows up more against those teams. Right, And he
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: had the best wide receiver in football and lost with him. Right,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: One guy though, the number one Randall Cobb is one
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: of the best slot receivers in football too. Yeah, like
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: they had plenty. Okay, I'm just saying, I'm just I'm
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: just playing this side. Yeah, And I'm pushing back on
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: the team side. Again. I blame the team because I
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: think it's ridictive. Philosophy is ridiculous. They have not maximized
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: the roster around Aaron Rodgers. So I understand Rogers's side.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: They could be better, but they didn't. They lost to
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: when inferior team in the playoffs at home last year. Yeah,
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: and that's not the first time that that's happened. But
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: I like what they did with Dobson Watson, like I
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: wish the Patients had done something similar where you get
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: two different but both explosive and athletic guys that all right,
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be some growing paints. They're thrown right into
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the fire as the leading receiver right now. Watson hurt
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: but still has that potential. And to me, yeah, I'm
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent on the Rogers side on that, Like sure,
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: because what's what what value getting out of that? If
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: if you go out and sign like uh, I mean,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't think of like who in
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: that particular year. But let's say a guy of the
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: caliber of even Kenny Galladay, who's been a tremendous disappointment
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: with the Giants. Right, I'm not talking about the best.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I'm just talking about a quality NFL player. If you
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: would signed him and then drafted Jordan Love in the
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: first round, I could say, Okay, yeah, listen, Aaron, we're
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: gonna get you this guy. We're gonna draft a quarterback
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: because we've got to think about life after you. But
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go out and they don't do that. So
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: I understand Aaron Rodgers, is you know point of view
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: there much like what we used to argue with Tom. Yeah,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: you know, toward the end he was upset when you know,
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: with Jimmy and they weren't getting me weapons. And now yeah,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: I mean, I BET's going a little bit. I like
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: it all right later, Thanks Alvin, very good. Um. I
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: just think the whole they don't have any weapons thing
• 28:06
  Speaker 1: is a crutch for Aaron Rodgers. You know, I think
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: they've had, they've had weapons. I can't listen to that
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: when all I hear is every other call is they
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: need a number one. They need a number one, like
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: like the Packers have a number one. Like don't tell me,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: oh they don't have the one. They had one and
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: he's a good one. Yeah this year, light of my
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: summer one. This year might be different. But they did
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: draft two guys for him who were right in the
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: mix too. You know. Let's see Ryan writes in he's
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: a Cowboys fan. U if you already talked about it
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: before you get to see mail, then discard. But I
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: want to get your thoughts on what Lombardi said about
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: Mac yesterday or the day before. I feel he is
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: just trying to protect Bill and will not put any
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: blame at all on Bill. Belichick could murder someone and
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Lombardi will tell you he didn't. I don't trust anything
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: he says. Yeah, I agree, Yeah, I actually printed it out.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: Just when you have some some whenever a relationship like
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: that too. And I'm not even blaming Bill here because
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: when you have a relationship like that, Bill doesn't even
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: have to talk to Mike Lombardi. Mike Lombardi just sort
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: of takes it upon himself. He knows, right, he knows
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: what's going on there. He knows he's under fire a
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: little bit, so he's rallying. Now. I'm not telling you
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: that he didn't talk to to Mike Lombardi. Maybe he did,
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: but I'm just saying, what that kind of a relationship,
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: that kind of history, Lombardi doesn't need any prompting. He's
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: going to do that anyway. I mean, aside from the
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: point I mean I I mean, I don't disagree with
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a lot of his points though. I mean, you can
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: say that it's it's shining the light on Mac and
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: his mistakes, but I mean, you know, I can't really
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: argue with a lot of his points saying, I mean,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: they did move the ball. They're making critical turnovers in
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: the worst moments. This is a kid that you got
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: the thought weren't wasn't going to make these mistakes. You know.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: I'm like, and I'll blame the offense design and all
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: that stuff for part of it too, But you know,
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: you had a real chance to win that game last week,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: and you know, do you really blame the offense for it? Like?
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: I see, here's my problem. Okay, have you ever gone
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: into a game saying, if we can just average seven
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: yards of play today, we're gonna win. If we can
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: have a higher average per play than the other team,
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: we're gonna win. No, we're just cherry picking stats, And
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: this particular one is cherry picked from one particular game,
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: and it's the only game that they've had success consistently
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: making big plays, which is why the average per play
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: against Baltimore was high. By the way, so was Baltimore's
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: leaves that part out. I guess when when the coach's
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: son is involved on defense, we don't have to worry
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: about that side of the ball, because if you think
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: that's coaching, then you'll just be in naive. And by
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the way, he wanted to say stupid and stopped himself
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: and then change stud he went naive, he changed you know. Yeah,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: I just don't understand how you can sit here and
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: tell me that everything has been great with the approach
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: on offense, because on Sunday we've talked about this, the
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: throws to Parker were eight. That's the best I've seen
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: the offense. Look, that ain't the offense that played against Miami,
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: and it ain't the offense that played against Pittsburgh. No,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: So now this is so they did it once, you know,
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: for half the game against Baltimore, and this is what
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: they are now. But it's it's don't don't blame the coaching.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: This is what they are. It's all Mac. And that's
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: the other thing about what Lombardi said, like he said, oh, Matt,
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: you know Max's making really bad decisions. Okay, Well, is
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: it his decision to throw to Parker all those times?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: Is it his decision to throw these fifty fifty balls
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: that we've been right. So, yeah, that you were mocking yesterday.
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: So we're given the coaching credit for those, but we're
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: blaming Mac for the bad plays, you know, And that's
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: basically my problem with it. Meanwhile, Matt hasn't played well,
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: but you're blaming it all on Mac. You're not taking
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: anything else to Maco's the sideline. It sounded like he
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: was blaming the coaching for that one, that interception in
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: the end zone. I think he was mad at at
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: Parker on that, but I don't know. I mean, I'm
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: just kind of I don't know. I think I think
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: he was yelling at was cover four? Where what is
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: he doing? Why is he? Why isn't he there? Oh?
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: I thought it was covered for why'd you call that play?
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: But maybe it could be could be right too. This
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: is what happens when you don't find anything out. Everybody's speculating,
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: and so my thing is, Okay, if you really think
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: it was the wrong play, check out of it. Yeah,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: and I'm not defending Mac, you know, like like like
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: that he's blameless. I think Mac has thrown the ball
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: into Harm's way too many times. I made a comment yesterday.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: He's got five picks. He could have at least five more. Yeah,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: if the defensive backs could catch the ball that some
• 32:29
  Speaker 1: of these things, he'd be really and struggling. But this
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: isn't all on Mac. No, it isn't. And I'm like
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I said earlier, I'm not I don't care about those
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: ones he's thrown in harm's way. That's part of his
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: growing process. You know, he's got to learn what he
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: can and can't do. Uh, you know, and I think
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: last year he was protected a lot, and this year
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: it's he's not and he's gonna make mistakes and you're
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: gonna have to live with that. If you really want
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: to develop a young quarterback, you're gonna have to live
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: with it. Yeah. But there's a line too of just
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: you know, and I I feel like that's what he's
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: you know. I I don't think that he was in
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: danger of getting benched like like Lombardi kind of. I
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: don't add like, but I'm gonna give him a pass
• 33:10
  Speaker 1: on that one. I don't think he meant that literally,
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: but I do think that, you know, if this season
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: was going to turn around, it was going to have
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: to be with Mac Jones making some significant strides. To
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: you know to to elevate the offense more, and you know,
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: just just have a game where it's clean, you know,
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: like just show me that. I mean, you know, I
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: don't know how long he'll be out, but let's say
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: he never got hurt. Maybe by week eight, nine ten,
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: we do see significant improvement. But you've got to you know, yeah,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: well you got to grow. And it's like it's not
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: just gonna happen overnight. And if he hadn't gotten hurt
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: on that last play, I feel like I would I
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: would be able to be pretty encouraged right now of
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: just just don't make the mistakes, like you can move
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: the ball. You're you're showing strides to me. You're showing
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: me plays where he had some zip on that he
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: got that in there. I didn't. I hadn't seen those
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: throws last year, right, you know. But now it's like, well,
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: you're now you're derailed. You're probably gonna miss a bunch
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: of games. When you come back, you're gonna be rusty,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: you know, so how much are we even really going
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: to learn about mac Jones in year two? It puts
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: everything back his development in our Yeah, and now our
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: developed and then like you know, and I've been saying,
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know when he's going to come back, but
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: either way, it's a murderer's row at the second half
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: of that, like the last what six weeks of the season,
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Buffalo twice. Um, you gotta go out to Arizona Raiders.
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: You know, I know those don't look quite like what
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: they did maybe four weeks ago. But you know, it's
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: it's it's a really tough spot for him to come
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: back and kind of recapture momentum. And you know that,
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: And that's why I hope it's not a long time
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: and then he's able to get back to some of
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: the stretch of these games that are that are winnable.
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: I think if he's the guy, he'll work, He'll you know,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I have no doubt he'll work. I just wish that
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: we had some kind of clarity of what to expect
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: and when to expect him. And you know, Mike, you
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: don't need to know. You don't need to know. Okay,
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: it's processed. Don't be so results. Ye, George's new today,
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: George is in Texas. Any idea when the Patriots will
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: sport the throwback jerseys? Yes, I do have an idea
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: and Detroit will be one of the games and uh,
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: what was it the Bills or I keep forgetting is
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: of the Bills Thursday night? Yeah Bills? Yeah yeah, yeah,
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: we'll throwback. But the week after this home game against Detroit,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: you'll see the Reds. Yeah yeah, yeah, that's uh, that's
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: out there right yep. This season, I feel Mac is
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: doing too much. I see the good get overshadowed by
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: the bat. I also think Parker needs to work more
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: with Mac off the field. Not knowing that Mac has
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: changed the play based on what he is seeing is
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: confusing Parker. This is preventing him to go full speed
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: to get open because he doesn't know where to go.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: And that's max fold. Yeah, I mean I've seeing the
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: thing twice with Parker is a little bit strange to
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: me though, a pre snap like what doing that kind
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: of thing like that, that's not good. That the red
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: flag to me with see, but that also that also
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: can be a couple of different things that could be
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: like I missed that, like what would you say? Yeah,
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: you know, and I'm obviously not saying on the field,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: he's saying what did you say? But like when he
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: gives them one of these is like I didn't hear
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: you could be as simple as that, or is you
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: know x X y Z cross. I don't know what
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: that means, you know, like you know when when v
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: comes in and talks about you know, EPA, like like,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know what that means. Maybe it's
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: he doesn't know what he's doing. Maybe he doesn't know
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: the adjustments and the calls, which is a much bigger problem.
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: But I just think that we just well Parker doesn't
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: know what he's doing. I just think there's a little
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: bit of an issue with mac in that it seems
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: like and this kind of pops up with some of
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the free rushers too, of not taking that last extra
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: second to know what's going on, and some of the
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: like the late rotation stuff right before the snap have
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: fooled him. And the same thing with Parker where it
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: feels like he's getting the snap and but you don't
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: have everybody on the same page. And I mean I've
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: seen Parker do it twice in three games where it
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: kind of like he doesn't get the second call and
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: then he just kind of all right, and then he
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: kind of runs, you know, And so I don't know,
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: I think that might be an operational thing of just
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: making sure that extra beat that everybody's on the same page. Yeah,
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good point. Jonas writes in Small Thing,
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: But please turn off the phone notifications during taping Tuesday
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: was brutal with dozens of instances of that stupid sound.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: It must have been a big day on the Perillo
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: family group chat. I think it's not my fault. It's
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: the iPad that tried to turn off the sound here.
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: This is as annoying as Andy talking over everyone all
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: the time, or when Fred Let's callers talk endlessly over
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the panel. Yeah you know, easy mac Ah, Let's see
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: lots of emails. Tony writes in This Morning Damian Woody
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: and the hated Bart Scott really nailed it what he
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: said about the Patriots. Nobody scares you a nondescript team.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: The despise Scott and discussing the Patriots noted coaching can
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: only get you so far. It's about the personnel. Until
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: this team significantly improves the talent, and that talent gets
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: in their prime age twenty four to twenty eight, the
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: Patriots will go nowhere. Well, but I do think they're
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: improving their talent I do, not as fast as I'd like, No,
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: not as fast as I think any of us would like.
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: And then some of that talent, I want to see
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: what happens when they become free agents. Are they're gonna
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: be allowed? You know, like J C. Jackson to me
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: should have been part of the future, but you let
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: them walk, you know. And I wasn't like I didn't
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: kill him for that because I didn't think as much
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: of J. C. Jackson as some other people do. But
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: he was better than what you had. I never arged
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you that, Yeah, well it's just I mean, that's and
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: that's one of the players that you didn't draft but
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: that you developed, and that knows what he's doing, and
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: that was a playmaker, and you know those are really
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: hard to find. And not surprisingly you got hurt when
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: he left. I know he did, but you know, just
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: the development of Dugger, and you know, like, how would
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: you feel it all? You know, this is Dougger's third year,
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: So how would you feel if Dugger was allowed to
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: walk after the twenty three season. I mean, I'd be disappointed,
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: But I mean, at this point, I probably think that's
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: what's going to happen, unless unless he plays so middling
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: that they can just get him on a team friendly deal.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: But you got to pay somebody. That's a sneaky negative
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: comment right there. You know what he's saying. Fred, Yeah,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: if he's really good, he'll be too expensive and they
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: won't resign him. Right. You've got to have like your
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: core players, you got to pay him, That's what I'm saying.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: Like Barmore, Dugger, they don't have a ton of them. No, Stevenson. Yeah,
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: And I mean even these players your name and it's
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: it's they're younger, they're kind of what I'm saying. If
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: they develop, you're gonna pay them once they hit their contract. Well,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: not Stevenson because he's a running back. Yeah, I Stevenson.
• 40:00
  Speaker 1: You gotta keep somebody. Yeah, you do, like, who are
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: the guy and what if he is? That sounds like me,
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: got to keep somebody. If he's just a running back
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: and he's just like your leading ball carrier, then I
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: wouldn't you know me, I wouldn't even bat an eye
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: if you let him go, because you can get that.
• 40:17
  Speaker 1: But if they kind of turn him into like an
• 40:19
  Speaker 1: Alvin Camara type, then I am interested in retaining him. Yeah,
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: I agree, you know, he's gonna be not necessarily a
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: three hundred, three hundred and fifty carry guy, but maybe
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: a couple one hundred carries with another fifty catches. I'm
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: interested in that guy because I think that guy can
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: impact games. Camara can impact games. But you know, and
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: I'm not telling you that I think Romadre Stevenson's as
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: good as Alvin Camara. But you know what I mean,
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Let's let's, you know, dream a little bit. What if
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: tycon Thornton is that speed guy that opens things up right? Well?
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: Would would you want to keep him on your tea? Yeah?
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: The fear is that you allow him to walk after
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: for you? Right? Right? Do you think I kind of
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: continues for one quis, do you think they're more willing
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: to pay third down kind of running back because they're
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: not as worried about wear and tear and like a
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: guy like James White or Kevin Folk, they're not taking
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: the pounding. So and it's also a value of their
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: intelligence and their pass protection and knowing what to do
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: within the offense, whereas maybe they just it would be
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: really hard for a first second down power back to
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: get a second contract because they just view them as
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: kind of replaceable. I mean, as much as I'm with you,
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: and I like Stevenson a little bit better than Damian Harris,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: like not not a huge difference. I mean it's you know,
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: but I think he's definitely better in the passing game.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: You know. Yeah, So that's that's that's that's what I
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: would watch. But right now, i'd even be in favor
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: if you want to, you want to resign Harris and Stevenson,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: you know, like maybe Harris to a more reasonable contractum,
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: and you sort of keep it the way it is,
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: like Harris is more of the main ball carrier and
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Stevenson's more the hybrid guy. I wouldn't be necessarily posted
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: because I know they're not going to break the bank.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: They're not going to give him a Derrick Henry contract.
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: You know, where you're putting all your eggs in that basket.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: I know that. I know the Patriots I going to
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: do that with a running back. But right it's like
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: Duger's in year three, so like and when's he going
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: to be bad? And he was back out there, but
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: you know, he's a little bit thinged up right now.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Like I mean, he's got a year and a half
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: like to to either prove that he is this like
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: player that all the fans want him to be of,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: you know, potential game changing kind of safety. But at
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: the same time, they got like four safeties that they play,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: so is he ever going to be able to make it?
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess it's tied to the running backs
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: with the same kind of thing, where you have such
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: a volume of guys that it's hard for a guy
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: to really stand out, and maybe in a way then
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: it keeps their production down and then it enables them
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: to continue to take a good chance that you're only
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: going to have two of those four next year with
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: mccordy and Pepper's probably gone, and then you would hope
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: under that scenario that Bledsoe can sort of grow into
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: one of those spots, yeah, you know, and give you
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: some contributions there. Maybe maybe Miles Bryant could be more
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: of like the deep kind of like the mccordy replacement,
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: because I think he's pretty good in rich Maybe he
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: he could give you a little bit more there. Well.
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: Jonathan Jones, I mean I think he's he's this is
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: his last year his deal, you know, I mean, we
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: talk about not having a lot of cornerback not having
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: you know, a guy you've already given a second contract
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: to him. He's playing great. I mean I think was
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: it Reese that wrote wrote about him playing Dug Hide
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: was highlighting him of just you know the you know,
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: I know he's topping the he's topping the PF ratings
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: right now. He's I mean, he's number one in all
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: the ratings, number one, number one. But I mean regardless,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: he's a good player. He's made I mean he two
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: two big plays last week. You know, of of everybody
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: on the team that you're saying star players to make
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: impact plays, like he's one of one of them. Think
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: so far he's having his best seed. I think I
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: think fans are right to make fun of me. I
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: think I have problems. I have to really reevaluate. Well,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: you just don't like the fans. I'm just looking at
• 43:46
  Speaker 1: that play where Bateman cartog in front of him, gave
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: him a little move and he was standing still thirty
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: yards like it's gonna happen. I mean, I don't even
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: think he was in coverage. If this is my whole
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: thing with the ratings, I don't really care about like
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: like his ratings are great because he knocked the ball
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: away like in that like you get small little sample
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: size and you get turnovers and ups your rating and stuff.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: And I think there was a bad play there that
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: people just completely ignore. And it was a huge play
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: in that fourth quarter against Baltimore when Bateman got down
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: the sideline. Stephen Carmel, New York, just wanted to say
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: how nice it was to meet Paul and Mike on
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Monday morning at the Hall. You really turned around a
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: doom and gloom weekend at Gillette. By the way, I
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: will continue to tell my wife that we met two
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: extremely famous and important people in the Patriots organization. I
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: emailed yesterday, but I guess Fred couldn't get to it.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Thank you, he said it to us on Monday. Thank
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: you all for what you do. One Patriots question, what
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: do you feel is in the best interest of the
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: team to rush back mac back when he's not one
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: hundred percent but can play so we can save the
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: season If things they're not going well for Horrier, that's astroyer,
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: or let him sit out at least completely healed, and
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: the season at that point may already be lost. I
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: just I don't think you can rush him back. That
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: just doesn't make any sense to me at all that
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: you would rush somebody back, and you know, and then
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: he's got to go out there and perform, and and
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: his performance is on him if he plays. When you're
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: dealing with Brady, it's fair to say, boy, you know,
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: a Brady at seventy five percent is better than a
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: one hundred percent Hoyer. I'm not sure that's the same
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  Speaker 1: with Mac. No, I mean, with with confidence and pocket
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• 45:56
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  Speaker 1: So Mike Lombardi's diatribe, there has been kind of struggling.
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  Speaker 1: He's second to last in the ratings right now. I
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• 46:16
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• 46:27
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• 46:30
  Speaker 1: twenty three season. It doesn't necessarily have to be win
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: loss record. It could be a player of coach development
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: playing really good football at the end of the season.
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: Just that you know, I don't know what the win
• 46:43
  Speaker 1: loss is kind of ore, but like if it feels
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  Speaker 1: like their end of the season playing their best football
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• 46:53
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  Speaker 1: file their faces. Really good season. Ten wins, ten wins, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think ten wins to me is the benchmark for
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  Speaker 1: for a good season like last year. But what if
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  Speaker 1: last seven? Okay, what about this extreme example Paul? Right,
• 47:17
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• 47:38
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• 47:41
  Speaker 1: But still, I think what you've seen the last three
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: years is a team that starts really good and seems
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• 47:48
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  Speaker 1: I think if everything that's kind of got me shook,
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  Speaker 1: that that's been the consistent thing of of those three seasons.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: So just like to see them turn around and start
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: to you know, leave something where we're going into the
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: offseason saying I'm excited. We got some things to build
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: around taking a quarterback out of the equation. How many
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: good players are a future Patriots squad missing from becoming
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: a super Bowl contender? Again, M that's quite a few.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: That's hard to do, like taking the quarterback out of
• 48:24
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• 48:32
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• 48:35
  Speaker 1: You know, like with an average quarterback, there are three
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: studs away, right, you know, like a rusher, cornerback, and
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: a wide receiver. That sounds good, you know, yeah, I'd
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: take that. I think you need more than that probably, well,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: just just an average quarterback, Yeah that's all. Yeah, I
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• 48:55
  Speaker 1: around with just an average quarterback. Um, how long would
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: you be willing to accept the Patriots are from this moment?
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: How long are you willing to accept that the Patriots
• 49:06
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• 49:09
  Speaker 1: don't so. How long from now are you willing to
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: wait for them to be a super Bowl contender? Two years?
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: I have to like decipher all thank you for two
• 49:19
  Speaker 1: years to like this year, next year and then twenty
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: twenty four there. Yeah, after next year, I want them
• 49:24
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• 49:27
  Speaker 1: you know what for Then I'm gonna yeah, my my
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: expectation bar goes up. After next year. Yeah, I would
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: say that's yeah, Mac, I mean Mac year three, year four,
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: I mean yeah, five those I mean yeah, you're six.
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna I mean you could be like Detra
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• 49:45
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• 50:24
  Speaker 1: at practice. He was not at practice. What no Mac Jones,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: no Lawrence Guy and a new absence today No Yadney
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• 50:38
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• 50:41
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• 50:44
  Speaker 1: hearing that, right, A little bit of Isaiah Win on
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: the outside looking in with Marcus Cannon breathing down his neck.
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  Speaker 1: I agree with him. I think I think it's a
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: matter of time, but we'll see. It's a tough matchup
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  Speaker 1: this weekend too. With Rashan Gary, really good player for
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: the Packers on the edge, I would assume that they're
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  Speaker 1: going to put him over Isaiah Win and see what
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  Speaker 1: Wins got four penalties in the last two games, six
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  Speaker 1: quarterback pressures allowed, had a good week. One hasn't been
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: as good the last two weeks, and I think Gary's
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  Speaker 1: going to test him. I really like this Gary. He
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: looks like a Patriots guy to me. Power Yeah. Yeah,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: they got some good players. I mean, get a little
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: scheme crazy, but they play a lot of three four right,
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, they just play a lot of base defense,
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: which I mean I kind of feel like they'll do
• 51:29
  Speaker 1: against the Patriots, because why not, right, Yeah, they play
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: a lot of three four stand up edge defenders similar
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  Speaker 1: front to what the Patriots do. Much different in the
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  Speaker 1: back end, but the front itself is very similar. And
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: Gary is a pocket pusher. This is not a speed
• 51:44
  Speaker 1: Josh j type. This is a dent to pocket bull rush,
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: speed to power type of rusher. And Kenny Clark in
• 51:52
  Speaker 1: the middle is also a big problem. He gave Shaq
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: Mason all sorts of fits in that game last week
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• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Patriots offensive line has looked a lot better last two weeks,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: i'd say than week one, but Isaiah wins one spot
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: that I feel like, if you're gonna circle somebody to
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: attack with your edge rushers, it's probably going to be
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: the right tackle. Just Cole strange about about Kenny that
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: seems like a good one. Not yeah, it looks really
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: good to me. We asked David Andrews about him yesterday
• 52:22
  Speaker 1: and he said he's been taken a lot of time
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: this week to study Kenny Clark and pick up on
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: some of his tendencies and maybe anything that they can
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: pick up on film to get ahead of that guy,
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: because he, yeah, he's a he's a game wrecker. Shells today,
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: Shells yes, Okay. What what are they different on the
• 52:39
  Speaker 1: back end? A little bit more zone in terms of
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: the way that they play. The zone is definitely different.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: It's it's difficult, I think, and this might be an
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: interesting question for the head coach. Is your three games
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: in and every team will do something a little bit
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: differently schematically, game plan wise, Like there's not a lot
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: of teams that are just we do what we do
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  Speaker 1: So at what point in time do things that the
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  Speaker 1: opponent are when do they has become tendencies versus It's
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: only three games and this small sample size is really skewed.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: Like the Packers run defense is thirty second in the
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: league in DVOA, but they really only have one bad game.
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: It just happens to be against Chicago. They gave up
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: almost seven yards to carry in a month soon was
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: that the ensooned game? No? No, but in that game
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: that's skew. That's enough to just gets a really good
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: question though about like at what point do the numbers
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: become what they are as opposed to Yeah, well, I
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: brought the same thing up to say. I was like
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: on dv AWAY, the Patriots have the number one rushing
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: offense and they have the worst rushing defense. So if
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: you're just looking at that you're like, oh, hey, look
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: at this looks perfect, But it's I mean small sample size,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: and like you said, very skewed by something I read
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: and when I was joking around, like I just phoned
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: the two deep thing out there, like i'd actually read
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: something in Green Bay. This is basically how they set
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: their defense up. But they tell you go ahead, run,
• 54:05
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• 54:06
  Speaker 1: You're not gonna beat us doing that because we're gonna
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: lock it down in the back end. We're not going
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: to give up chunk plays. We're not going to be
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: easy to score on in the red zone. That's that's
• 54:15
  Speaker 1: the whole philosophy. That's so, that's the NFL's whole philosophy.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: All thirty two teams are running two deep shells, especially
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: this year, even here, especially this year, and that's why
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: I think point points are down significantly, in passing yards
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: are down significantly. It's only three games. Even I have
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: to ask yode smaller contingent than yesterday. I mentioned that
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: I think last week that Wednesday seems to be Bill.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Usually the quarterback yesterday was Brian Hoyer. Usually it's mac
• 54:44
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• 54:53
  Speaker 1: You know what what what what? What? What? What? Where? Yeah?
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• 55:02
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• 55:14
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• 55:30
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• 55:41
  Speaker 1: how much did you get to watch? Was it just
• 55:43
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• 55:50
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  Speaker 1: point of the thing that we were talking about, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I think it's like you're afraid to find out something
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  Speaker 1: good about Mac. What what am I like? I'd like
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  Speaker 1: to do some research. We might actually find out. Oh
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  Speaker 1: so now you want to compare them to everybody, right,
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  Speaker 1: I just want to know if those numbers, well, I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to compare all those numbers to everybody there. He's
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  Speaker 1: in the thirties, okay, in the league and most things.
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  Speaker 1: But I'd like to know what this is. Okay, but
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to know what he's like. I do
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  Speaker 1: want to know but when we talk about all the
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  Speaker 1: other stuff this, when did I say that, oh, those
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  Speaker 1: aren't good numbers. We talked about him yesterday and we
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  Speaker 1: said those aren't good what all the all the you know,
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  Speaker 1: his passer rating and all that stuff. The only thing
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  Speaker 1: I mentioned yesterday was I didn't think Houston blitzed a lot.
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  Speaker 1: And you just told me. The guy said he flits
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  Speaker 1: five times, So I was right. I didn't think Houston
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  Speaker 1: blitzed a lot in the game. Okay, they didn't, but
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  Speaker 1: that now you're changing the goalpost. I'm not changing any
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  Speaker 1: goal posts. You read off his numbers against the blitz, right,
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  Speaker 1: sixty attempts for three hundred and fifty yards. I said,
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  Speaker 1: those aren't great numbers. I don't know if they are.
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  Speaker 1: I'm telling you it's not. So you know what the numbers.
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  Speaker 1: I don't care what anybody else does. Three hundred and
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  Speaker 1: fifty yards on sixty attempts is not against the blitz.
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  Speaker 1: I'd like to know what the averages are. I'm just
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  Speaker 1: telling you it's not good for mac Jones. That's all
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  Speaker 1: I'm saying. I don't know what anybody else did, but
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  Speaker 1: you need to another. No one has been blitzed as
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  Speaker 1: much as he has. Okay, but right becauldn't he say
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  Speaker 1: that no one got listen Jones. Yeah, so he got
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  Speaker 1: blitzed sixty five times. The next guy might have been
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  Speaker 1: sixty four. Like, I'd like to know. You're then look
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  Speaker 1: it up for it if you want to know. I
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  Speaker 1: don't care spouting all the stuff up with them. I'm
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  Speaker 1: not spouting anything. All I said was I didn't think
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  Speaker 1: Houston blitz the lot. And then the guy wrote in
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  Speaker 1: to say they always find that one thing. But we're
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 1: talking about overall. Forget you hang up, not mine, not
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  Speaker 1: a hang up. I just want to I don't I
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  Speaker 1: can I can I do a quick thing. I just
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  Speaker 1: I was also watching yesterday CNN's John Burman was down
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  Speaker 1: He has fallen in love with the Patriots on filtered show,
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  Speaker 1: so another another famous PU fan. Yeah, yeah, who's the
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  Speaker 1: famous pie John Burman. He's one of the CNN. He
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the street like keeting, blown around
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  Speaker 1: like God bless him. But uh, yeah, it's nice. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, you know, but we've had some very famous
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  Speaker 1: people listening to the show. Uh what's her name, Mary McCormick. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I think that's right. From In Plane Sight. We've had
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  Speaker 1: Howard Sterns Wifeward Stern's wife and Private Parts movie and um,
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  Speaker 1: a big Patriots fan, follows me on Twitter. Yep. Oh yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I just confirmed that falls yep. So he must be
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  Speaker 1: excited too. Yeah, that's great man. Not that Bourmon though, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: all right if I five. He's a big Patriots fan
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  Speaker 1: too though, really Chris big Bill fan? Yeah? Huge? I
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  Speaker 1: thought he was a Bills fan. He likes the Bills too, nobody.
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  Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the phones. People are hanging
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: on Williams and Philam, what's up William? What's going on? Fred?
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  Speaker 1: How are you doing good? Okay? Um, I'm gonna trying
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  Speaker 1: what you're saying. If it's good, we'll keep you talking.
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  Speaker 1: If you got I don't cut you hurry. Yeah all right,
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  Speaker 1: well all right, I'm gonna start with this one. First,
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: to Evan Evans Ar you don't know me or nothing
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  Speaker 1: like that, but you know I sent out a couple
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  Speaker 1: of tweets to you when I just want you to
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  Speaker 1: know I'm a fan and I love your takedown. How
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  Speaker 1: I'm a fan of that. Thank you problem. All right, Um,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: We've gotta start with this this to the Patriot fans.
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: It's crazy, how y'all. A lot of some of you
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: Patrio fans. You you little shady a little bit. You
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  Speaker 1: was around high with Mike. I'm sorry with mac Jones.
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  Speaker 1: But this year, because you know, you know, he's learning
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: a new scheme. He has no really no offensive coordineer,
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And give him a break,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: you know what I mean. I'm not saying that he
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: ain't as far as some things, you know, as far
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 1: as the interceptions, I mean those bonehead and interceptions. But
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: give him a break, y'all. You know what I mean.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 1: Like he's up on it, you know what I mean.
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 1: Don't don't abandon him just like that. No, don't count
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 1: them out just yet. And last, but not least, Bill
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: need to stop screwing around with the roster. If you know,
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 1: just ate nineteen ninety two, you can start. You know
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: you went off defense and all that you got. You
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: gotta look, you gotta put players around Matt, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean. Better talent. Money ain't for god. Used
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  Speaker 1: the tight ends, y'all. Pay these guys a lot of money,
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  Speaker 1: used them, you know what I'm And I'll leave it
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  Speaker 1: at dead gentlemen. All right, thanks William. Yeah, what do
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 1: you think we'll see a little bit more Hunter Henry
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: in this game? Perhaps? Perhaps? I mean it could look
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: a little different with Hoyer. I mean, you never know,
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 1: but I find it striking, just as like a level production.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 1: The Packers defense has a weakness. What is it? It's
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: their run defense still, Yeah, I mean, I'm not sure
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: the numbers are as accurate as as we kind of
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: talked about before the break, But if you had to
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: do anything against his Packers defense side run the football. Yeah,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: but it's like I feel like you feel the same,
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 1: where like you look at the individual guys and you're like,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: you don't look like easy to run on. He don't
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 1: look like he's easy to run on. But like, yeah,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know. I didn't really watch much
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 1: of the of the Bears game. Was that some of it,
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: you know, Herbert, I try to split the runs where
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: Justin Fields makes an impact, right, because some of the
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: time it wasn't all like read option necessarily, but when
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 1: he bootlegs, like obviously they have to have a contained
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: guy on the backside when he bootlegs, because he can
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: keep the ball and run out the backside with it.
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 1: So is Brian Hoyer gonna draw a defender like Justin
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: Fields does? Probably not. But some of the things that
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: they were doing that I thought the Patriots could mimic
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: were tossing the ball outside of David Montgomery on some
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 1: of those crack toss plays or sweet plays. They also
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: got downhill a little bit on the Packers defense, but
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 1: I would try to run away from guys like Kenny
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Clark and Rashan gary Ron, away from everybody, just throw
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: it to the outside. And we were talking about the
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: two high stuff that they've been doing as well, so
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: that doesn't give them as much help or kind of
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: those forced defenders on the outside to push it back inside.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 1: So it was like another big flat pass game. Can
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 1: I just change the subject real quick so I can
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: make an apology? Okay, did I call Doc Flinn a
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  Speaker 1: hack yesterday? Yes? Okay, I want to apologize for that
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  Speaker 1: because I didn't mean anything to do with her as
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  Speaker 1: a doctor. Okay, Like I see you on Twitter to
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  Speaker 1: someone who's doing their thing with ay, send the other
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  Speaker 1: person the thing. So I'm getting tattled on to Doc Flint.
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  Speaker 1: I've never even met, uh, doctor Flynn. So this is
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  Speaker 1: like when I was talking about the injuries. I don't
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  Speaker 1: necessarily care with someone who's not treating a person, and
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  Speaker 1: I think she's pretty clear with that right that she's not.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't, like, I want to apologize for using
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  Speaker 1: I said it, I'll own it and apologize for it.
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  Speaker 1: But that's I wasn't. Yeah, nothing you'd also do with
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  Speaker 1: her ability to you know, to administer medicine and as
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  Speaker 1: a doctor, like, nothing to do with that. So it
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  Speaker 1: was I told you not to tell on I just
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  Speaker 1: I just want to be clear that I'm apologizing for
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  Speaker 1: using the word hack. Let's go to David and Maryland. David,
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  Speaker 1: are you a hack? I certainly hope. Okay, So I'm
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  Speaker 1: one quick note and then a question. And so I
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  Speaker 1: flew up from Ledge in the past game, big fat fan.
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  Speaker 1: I brought my seventy year old Ravens fan loving dad
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  Speaker 1: but I was tempted to leave them there after the game.
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: My question is pertaining to the special teams do you think.
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  Speaker 1: I guess the Patriot as an organization and coach Belichech
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  Speaker 1: really values having those star works one special teams. I
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: obviously Slater is one I think of, um, Cody Davis
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  Speaker 1: has been a while for a while. I think Joe
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  Speaker 1: Cardona has been the longest napper for some years. Just
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  Speaker 1: having those star works that even though office and defense
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of turnover having those special teams people
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 1: in place over the years. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's clearer. There's no doubt they value it as much,
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  Speaker 1: if not more than I think any team in the league.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I just think the unfortunate thing is you
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: were getting a lot of plays, especially back in like nineteen,
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: game changing positive plays. In the last couple of years
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: it's been some game change negatively. No, I wonder if
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  Speaker 1: like they've actually got data behind you know, having you know,
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: the handful of guys you can depend on on your
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: roster for special teams overways having those guys that you
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 1: know play offense defense at the low end of the roster,
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 1: like there's data that supports that. I wonder. I think too,
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 1: there's probably a deep dive that people don't really do
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 1: where like they seem to specifically get really good gunners,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: and they specifically want to make sure that the personal
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 1: protector on the punt team is a guy that they
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 1: trust and know what they're doing. But beyond that, I'd
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: be curious what the problem is. Lately they've been making
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 1: mistakes in special teams. It hasn't been as solid as
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 1: it's been in the past. It set like last weekend.
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: The return last weekend is you know, I mean that
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: I think things might have gotten a little skewed by
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 1: in nineteen or would they block like three or four
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: punts for the recover for touchdowns? And then Gunner Olschski
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 1: went off on like three or four games and was
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 1: suddenly one of those things. It's like when you complete,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 1: you know, four thirty yard passes in the same game,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: it kind of skews your yards per play. I see
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 1: what you did there in a three game span. Really
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 1: good special teams matchup. Rich Boss, the special teams coordinator
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: for the Packers, was the interim coach for the Raiders
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 1: last year. He's a very very good special teams coordinator
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 1: and was a good head interim head coach for Vegas
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: ye special teams for a train wreck last year and
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: ended up ultimately costing them the season. Yeah, so the
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: Packers right now, I think Belichick said it three or
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: four times at the press conference. Yes, are a number
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 1: one in the league in field position. They have the
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: best starting field position, the best opponents starting field position,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: because they don't turn the ball over and they play
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 1: well and special teams. So I think to your point
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: about why did the Patriots value special teams so much
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 1: is because they want to make opponents drive eighty yards
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 1: every single time they touch the ball. Now, the turnovers
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: have not really played so well into that lately, but
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: that's the goal, is to make the opponent drive the field.
• 1:18:38
  Speaker 1: Even when you have to punt, you'd still making them
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: drive the field so that you aren't giving up easy
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 1: touchdowns in your territory. And those are funny to me,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: because thanks David, I think you can. I mean, I
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: think anybody that goes into a season any football coaches says,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: I don't really care about the Mike March thing. Remember
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 1: Mike maybe spend more time. Marks famously didn't care about
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: special teams, right. I mean, anybody that does that is
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: is really doing his team with disservice. I mean obviously
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: you have to take every element of football very seriously.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: The question is do you have to devote the resources
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 1: that the Patriots typically have over the years in order
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 1: to have good special teams? Yeah? I wish someone would
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: do a study on like, okay, other teams that are
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: really good on special teams? Do they all have seven
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: eight nine year veterans that are making like two million
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 1: a year serving as you know, the the L four
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 1: on the kickoff team? Or do other teams just have
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: you know this, this sixth round rookie defensive back goes
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: down and covers punts because he doesn't have a role
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: on defense. Maybe Bill thinks the better guys I have
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: on special teams, the less time I have to think
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 1: about it. I also think, but that's what I'm asking.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 1: Are those guys better that they? Yeah? Then who that
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: this is what I'm asking? But like, but like, who
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: is what I'm asking? Like Matthew Slayter is is better?
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: Like was Gerard Cherry better than everybody else? No? But
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: what's his name? Was Nate Edner better than everybody else?
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: He was really good? Like? Well, how do you know?
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 1: This is what I'm asking? Because of the results specialty Okay, well,
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: I think Mike just explain to you that the results
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: haven't always been good. Well lately they haven't. I said
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 1: that myself. But over over the dynasty they were good.
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: They had really good special teams. But I think the
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: Fred's original point, would you rather have on this team
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: right now Trey Nixon on the fifty three man roster
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: versus Cody Davis or versus Brandon Schooler who looks like
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 1: a good, young, up and coming special teams guy, and
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: maybe they can turn it over to when Matthew Slater
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: retires or Cody Davis retires. I just don't know if
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: it's were I feel like everybody argues about this that
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: the Patriots have too many special teams on these guys,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: but it's like who would be taking their spot on
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 1: the roster. It's not like we're saying that they're keeping
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: Matthew Slater and not trading for Davante Adams right like
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: they're they're keeping Matthew Slater over guys that are now
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 1: probably on their practice squad anyways. So I'm not sure
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 1: where that if he's the fifty second guy, is the
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 1: guy they are going to replace him with really that good?
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 1: That it's such and I wonder if they've like actually
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: deep dived into that with data, and I would even well,
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 1: I have actually had conversations with some people about this stuff,
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: some people and mak Nope people in the organization, and
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: it's definitely a conflict of philosophy. Yeah, really all right,
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: But to you a point like I don't mind necessarily
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 1: a Brandon Schooler. I mind more of the Cody Davis's
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: um you know, when the Brandon Kings, you know, and
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: it doesn't have to be like Trey Nixon. I mean
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: it could be you know, it could be anybody like well,
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: I think like the way we've talked about this a
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: lot over the years, which is just giving guys that
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: more of a chance to play, and guys that you know,
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: like like Anthony Jennings or you know, seen with like
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: DeMarcus Mitchell. This year he's getting the chance on special teams.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: So like, I think that's in the positive for us,
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: goes to me be your special teamers. Yeahs undrafted rookies
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 1: like blow right, like developing Josh Bloods and in three
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: years the Brendon Schooler or DeMarcus Mitchell do not figure
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: to factor in ever on defense. I don't want them
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: becoming six year guys. I want the new Brendon schooler
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: to come in who maybe three years later, can be
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: the third safety. Yeah on a rookie contract, right, yeah?
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: So how long to wrap up the special team's portion
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: of the show? How long? What I mean? And I
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: don't have I don't have specifics, you know me? Yeah, no,
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: that's fair. How long does the Miles Briant thing as
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: point returner last before we see Marcus Jones? Because it's
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: it's starting to get to the point where, you know,
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: let's let the guy that was an All American returner
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: in college that you drafted in the third round, Well,
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 1: but I just return. What's going on in practice? Is
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: Marcus Jones, like, you know, bobbling it all over the
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 1: place practice? Yeah, well, maybe bobbling it anymore than Miles
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 1: Brian games. Maybe he could, and that's why he's not
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: out there. It's like, I don't know, It's like guy
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 1: who fumbles doesn't play Bill versus rookies don't really play Bill.
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 1: And they're kind of like right now they're Batton heads.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think we're all a surprise that Miles
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Bryant's continue to get shots you know that they haven't.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, at least turn at the Peppers or somebody,
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: you know, like one of them. I mean, if you
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: don't want to go with Marcus Jones, there's another option. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: Marcus Jones did tell me that the biggest difference to
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 1: him between college and pros fielding punts is that the
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: ball actually comes down a lot faster in the pros
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: and in college. And I think a lot of the
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: punters in college use that like AUSI rugby style punt,
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: which is more of a line drive, whereas with Jake
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: Bailey and the NFL punters, it's a straight, you know,
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 1: up and down type shot and the ball comes down
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 1: a lot faster than it. Never thought of it that way,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: I always because I always have seen guys that are
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: great returners in college, and you're always like, it's because
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 1: they get in line drives kicked right to them, which
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: is very returned. How many times you say this one's returnable.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 1: You never see those fans of kicks in the pros
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: like they never kicked the line drives. I mean, rare,
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: rare exception where a guy mishits one. I never thought
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: of the actual velocity of the ball. Yes. I thought
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 1: it was a really interesting answer because I figured he
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 1: would say, oh, the gunners get down there faster, or
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 1: the play just happens faster in general, or whatever. But no,
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 1: the first thing out of his mouth was about the
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: apex of the ball and how much harder Maybee having
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: trouble catching it in practice. To me, I don't know,
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: too high. I didn't expect it to be that high
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: and come down that fast. It's gonna take a few months. Sneak, sneaky,
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 1: I'm telling you, like I just come out and say it.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: You just come out and say it. He skirts around
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: the corner. I want to see Marcus Jones. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: me too too. I mean I wanted to see Dugger
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 1: return kicks for like three years. They finally did and
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: he hurt himself. Andy and Cleveland. I'm an athletic trainer
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 1: and physical therapist. I was at a football medical conference
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen in Boston where Bill Belichick was the
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 1: keynote speaker and then San Diego Charger head team physician
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: mentioned that basically every single player will demand a second
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: opinion as soon as they get hurt. He mentioned this
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 1: is mostly driven by the agents. He noted one anecdote
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: where he got a call from a player's agent saying
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 1: that they wanted a second opinion, and the doctor had
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: to tell him, I haven't given you a first opinion yet.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: This is basically standard procedure, and we shouldn't infer a
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: lot out of it when someone gets a second opinion.
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: There are probably sometimes where there is a lack of trust,
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 1: sometimes where it is patient doing due diligence before a
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 1: major medical decision, like Fred and his kid with the
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: hard issue, or the agent positioning for a later injury settlement,
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 1: or diluting the narrative that his player is injury prone. Yeah,
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: I mean I didn't. I mean personally I didn't. I
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 1: didn't read a lot into the second opinion. But the
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 1: wishy washiness of back and forth of what's going on
• 1:25:44
  Speaker 1: with him right now? That No, that's what That's what's
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 1: bump to me. It's less about second opinions and more
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 1: about surgery or No, that's what I'm concerned. That's what
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: I'm interested in, not concerned about. I'm interested in whether
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: or not he has surgery. What's that surgery? Like the Yeah,
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: I watched YouTube video about it last night because I'm
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: just curious to learn more about what exactly it is,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: because it's like this latted surgery or whatever, and we
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 1: kept what do we bring in information on what do
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: we do? It literally looks like something out of like
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: Rambo or something that like some action hero movie star
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 1: would do because he like, you know, his ankle got
• 1:26:20
  Speaker 1: like dislocated in the middle of a battle and he
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: had to just pop it back with like a bowie knife.
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: It's just where do they like they is it just
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: a small kind of cut and they go in and
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: to come Yeah, well it's it's mainly just like the
• 1:26:34
  Speaker 1: the tight literally tight rope right like it's it's the
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: way that they like they basically pulled the tendons in
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: your ankle back together essentially. And I think the biggest
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: thing is about it that some doctors and this is
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 1: not me talking, this is me reading up on this surgery,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 1: there's a little bit of an odd you know, at
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: odds in the medical community because some people and Alabama
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 1: is notorious for rushing guys back from injuries. Some people
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 1: think that it makes you come back faster, but it
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily heal you faster. So that's how David Chow,
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: the former Chargers doctor, described it this morning in the story. Yeah,
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 1: so it's one of those things where it's, yes, he
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: could technically get back on the field faster, but for
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: his long term health it might not be what's in
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: his wondering about. And that's what I said, like, you know,
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: like I understand like people are like just they just
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 1: use these things. So that means that, you know, this
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: is what everybody should do. Tuh had an opportunity to
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: have surgery and be back in time for the National Championship,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: and he did it. He also ended up getting hurt again,
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: and there's a there's definitely and I don't know if
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: this is fact, this is speculation, but there's definitely a
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: line of thought that the injury that he ended up suffering,
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 1: the ankle injury, he ended up suffering an ankle injury
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: again that they think may have been related to why
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: he hurt his hip the following year. Yeah, yeah, I
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 1: get off kilter. I don't know if that's fact, but
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: if I'm Mac Jones, I want to get as much
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 1: information about that stuff as I can because if I
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: have an injury that doesn't require surgery for one, healing
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 1: I don't just want to dive into it because I
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: can get back in two weeks instead of three, especially
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: one that's named after a very small margin for error.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 1: It's Alabama is notorious for this, for drilling into their
• 1:28:29
  Speaker 1: players heads that you come back as quickly as possible.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: Like I think it was Jalen Waddle maybe who played
• 1:28:35
  Speaker 1: on like a ruptured achilles in like the National Championship game. Yes,
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: he literally went out there on achilles tear and a
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 1: skating on thin ice surgery. Yeah, yeah, so they just
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: rush guys back. Georgia does the same thing with Kirby Smart,
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 1: who's one of those programs have in common? Yea, Yeah,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 1: you got a list of guys over here that can
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: take your job that there every bit as talented as
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 1: you are. Yeah yeah, why do you think they want
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 1: to do it? Yeah, he's a player. No, if you're
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 1: if you're I mean, just think about like what we know.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: I know. So if you're Jalen Hurts and in in
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 1: In Tuah and Mac Jones, like you guys are at
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 1: practice every day together, you know that all three of
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 1: you guys can play. You're not stupid. You might think
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 1: you're the best of the three and Hurts might think
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 1: he's the best or whatever. But if I'm tuah, I'm
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 1: not going to give you a three game look at
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 1: that guy, so you can see, huh, he's as good
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 1: as I. I mean, he might do that better than
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 1: I do. Like that's why there's there's probably more desperation
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: to get back in college. Yeah, because you got to
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 1: get to the pros and make your money. Yeah, I'll
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: never forget Jalen Waddle. That was crazy, just like you
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 1: see him mat there, but he's actually gonna play. He's
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: still and he's still fast. That's pretty fast. Well, the
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 1: pickets guy came back and played in the off the
• 1:29:52
  Speaker 1: town ACL. Right, he played in the National champions like
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 1: five months recovery, Yeah, all right, Well he actually played
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: the game with a town ACL pickings towards ACL and
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 1: like the spring and came back. Was it five months?
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: I think it's five months. He came back and played
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: in the National Championship game. Crazy, Eldred's in North Carolina spring,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: there's probably August. Hey, fella's how y'all doing to day? Good? Good? Yeah,
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: I was listening to y'all earlier about your discussion and
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 1: Paul and Fred hilarious. Oh that was that was an
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 1: old which you say you had to pay somebody. That's
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: the problem with Bill. You don't want to pay somebody
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: except this guy. That's the problem I have with him,
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: because you made a good point. If Thordan turned out
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: to be that receiver that you always wanted and we
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: need it, and you let him walk after four years,
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 1: they can get another one in the draft. Okay, he's
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 1: be drafting another one anyway, but he gonna take that
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: production right there, or Gugger or Baltimore, Baltimore or Steven Stevens.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 1: I keep Stevens in and Harry, you know, because that's
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 1: my my cool guy. Matt gotta have somebody if it
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 1: ain't Mad the next quarterback, you know. So that's my
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: That's always been my great with feels that part right there.
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 1: But I'm like you for Paul. If the kid need
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 1: to come back three weeks, let it be three weeks.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 1: If you come if you try to come back in
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 1: two and play, that's this decision too, because there ain't
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 1: nobody body but he and antybody creabley right that it
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 1: should be his to look at it. Yeah, Well that's
• 1:31:25
  Speaker 1: all I got. Fell You have a good one. All right, Uldred,
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 1: thank you. Well, it's that time of the week. I
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: got it's now I gotta have like three different The
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: girls are really screwing, y'all. Yeah, yeah, Where where's Alice?
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 1: Do you mean the with us here against us? Where
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 1: where's Alan? I'm sure you're not sure you're her boss?
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: I'm not sure. Yeah, keep putting them in track and
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: tamaraw do we know anyway? She's upstairs. She's upstairs, Okay,
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: she doesn't want to all right. So last week, um,
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: let's see, Alex and Paul went nine and seven, Fred
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: went eight and eight, Mike went five and eleven. That's overall,
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: it's bad, five and eleven, just winners. No spread, it's
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: not great, no, no, far from great. Not good with
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: the spread. Paul stands at the top, is off in
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 1: the case ten and six. Good week, Uh, Alex eight
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 1: and eight, followed by Fred at five and eleven and
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 1: Mike at four and twelve. That week. Season standings r
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 1: AS follows um Paul twenty seven, twenty and one. A
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: terrible record to be setting face with the only one
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: over five. Actually, Alex in two weeks is nineteen and thirteen.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 1: Tamaris seven eight and one. She only did one week
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 1: Fred twenty one, twenty six and one, Mike twenty twenty
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 1: seven and one, just picking winners. Didn't know you could
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 1: do that with the spread. I am twenty seven and
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 1: twenty one, Alex is sixteen and sixteen, Mike is twenty
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 1: and twenty eight, and Fred is sixteen and thirty two.
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 1: Oh my god, don't do not fatal follow Fred. Just
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 1: just here, get away from him, not week here. I
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 1: have my feeling is gone right out of training camp.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 1: He has no feel for the league. So Ev, you're
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 1: gonna pick this week in the second spot, okay, so
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 1: that Mike will go, and then you have to make
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: a pick. And unlike Eric Sclavino, you do not have
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 1: to give a diet tribe about pause. Yeah, thank no thesis, Yeah,
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: thirty your notes right, and we picked straight up and
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: against the spread. Right. So Fred often says, you know,
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 1: there's there's nothing really at stake here, so you don't
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 1: don't worry. Just by me way in the weeks, all right.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 1: Tonight eight fifteen on Prime Video, the three and oh
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 1: Dolphins travel to the one and two Bengals Cincinnati by
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 1: three and a half. Seen on the TV that the
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: ta is expected to play. Um, I'm gonna take Cincinnati
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: and I will lay the points. I think they'll maybe
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: start to find something. I think maybe, don't listen to me.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 1: I'm not good. I like Cincinnati to cover Miami. A
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 1: weird week for them with the hurricane down there to
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 1: come up early unexpectedly. Yeah, I was gonna take that.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: I was gonna take Cincinnati regardless, but I was gonna
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 1: take the points. But I do think that the preparation,
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: in addition to the short week, and that defense is
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: going to be gassed ninety plays in that heat and
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: now they have a short week. I'm gonna take the
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 1: Bengals both time. I'll take the Bengals too, but it's
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: against my rules. I hate the Bengals. Nine thirty in
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: the morning on Sunday from London. The two and one
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 1: Vikings are at the one and two Saints. Vikings by
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 1: two and a half. Two and a half. Where was
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 1: this game London? No? But we are which which is it? Wembley?
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: I think I believe it's that affects your pick. Yes,
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 1: oh no, Minnesota, I've been there. Yeah, well, thanks for nothing.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Minnesota. I always picked them incorrectly. Um,
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: but I kind of feel like the Saints are fading
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: and then the shines come off. Jameis Winston. I think
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 1: Minnesota backbones will come off. That helps too. I like
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: Minnesota because nine thirty am, nobody is watching Kirk Cousins
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 1: at that time, and nobody is watching Tuh. Yeah, I'll
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: take Minnesota too. I did like Annyager had one of
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 1: those uh you know the clips that she does all
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: the time, and she's like, um that she put the
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 1: Viking show. We played it, we played at eight thirty,
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 1: and she's like a m am like that. Poe's well
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: for the Patriots and Thanksgiving, doesn't it His record in
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: prime time is terrible. Well, I'll look that up. Monday
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 1: Night record I believe is two and eleven. I don't
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 1: know what his records generally in prime time. I know
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 1: he won a primetime game. It's crazy how predictable it
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: is too. It's like every primetime he was on what
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: Thursday night or something like that Monday night I think
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: it was that Monday night double header. Last day night
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: they lost a Philly Yeah, and just horrible. I'm gonna
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 1: go with the Vikings as well. One o'clock, The two
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: and one Browns visit the one and two Falcons. Cleveland
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 1: by one and a half, one and a half. I'm
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: gonna go I'll go with the home dogs. I'm gonna
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: take Atlanta. I don't really know why, but yeah, I'll
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: take Cleveland. I like their roster obviously, that's they just
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: need the quarterback. But the rest of that roster, well,
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: we'll see what happens with Miles Garrett if he's gonna play.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: But football car still gonna take Cleveland, and I'm gonna
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 1: take Cleveland too, for the same reason. I just think
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 1: they're a better team. Yeah, Falcons screwed me last week.
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with Cleveland. Yeah, I got that one wrong.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 1: One o'clock the two and one Bills. They thought they
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: were gonna be undefeated this season. No you did, No,
• 1:36:51
  Speaker 1: they did. They don't care. Are at the two and
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: one Ravens Buffalo by three. I'm gonna take Buffalo. I
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: think they'll take advantage of that Baltimore secondary that I thought,
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: you know, the Patriots kind of did as well, so, um,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 1: you know, good game MVP type candidates at quarterback. But
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Buffalo all later points. I'm not sure
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 1: why this game is at one o'clock. This is two
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 1: contenders or two MVP quarterbacks. Probably should be a primetime game.
• 1:37:16
  Speaker 1: I also like Buffalo to bounce back in this game.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: It's a tough game for me with all those guys
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: that are out for Buffalo. I'm gonna take Buffalo to
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 1: bounce back, mainly because I was not overly impressed with
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 1: Baltimore other than m Lamar Jackson. I'll take Buffalo here.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: I think I think the overrunder for passing yards for
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 1: Josh Allen. This game should be four fifty. I really
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 1: think so. Yeah. Um so I'm gonna take Buffalo one o'clock.
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 1: Um the one and two Commanders are at the two
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: and one Cowboys with Cooper Rush Dallas by three three
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 1: huh Yeah, that's kind of on the who cares calling
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 1: for me? I'm gonna go with I'll go with Dallas
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 1: at home and Cooper Rush. I'm gonna go Dallas too.
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 1: I think probably the best player in football in the
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: first three weeks of the season, it's Michael Parsons. He's
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: defensive player of the year through three weeks, if that
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 1: means anything. Yeah, yeah, I'll take Dallas too. Been impressed
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 1: with the way they've been able to piece it together
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: here and buy some time until dak is ready. I
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: will take Dallas, but I'm gonna hedge that, and I'm
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: gonna take the points. NFC East you never know, you know,
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 1: sometimes they play each other tough. So I will go
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 1: with the Commanders to cover or whatever that means. It's
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 1: one o'clock. The one and two Seahawks are at the
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 1: one and two Lions, Detroit by four and a half.
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 1: Four and a half. Okay, that went down a little
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 1: bit from mine. Big game for Detroit prior to come
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: in here to New England. I'll take the I'll take
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 1: the Lions at home. I like the Lions to their
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 1: their running game has actually been pretty legit. I'll take
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: the lines. This is unbelievable. I too, will take the Lions. Yeah.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay the points too. I'll take Detroit both ways. Yeah,
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 1: I am gonna take Detroit as well. Wow. Wow, I
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: can't remember the last time everybody picked the Troy Hardy.
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: One o'clock. The one and two Chargers are at the
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 1: O two and one Texans, the lack by five and
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 1: a half. Man that's an interesting game. So it seems
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: like everything going wrong for the Charges right now, between
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: Herbert and Bosa, but Houston just doesn't have much. I'll
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 1: take the Charges to win, but i'll take those points.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: I think it'll be close between two kind of struggling teams. Yeah, Herbert,
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 1: Shan Slater and Joey Bosa two guys does last two
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: on injured reserve for the Chargers. That's a tough way
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 1: to start your season. So I'm gonna go with the Chargers,
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 1: but I like Houston to cover. Yeah, I'm gonna do
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: the same thing. I would add the receiver, I think
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 1: the third receiver guiding towards Ac Yell. He's out. Jac
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: Jackson's missed a couple of games, a lot of injuries
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 1: for the Chargers. Yeah, so I'll take the points. I'm
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 1: gonna go with the upset Texans win outright. That's why
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: I'm sixteen and thirty two one o'clock. The one and
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 1: two Titans are at the one one and one Colts.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: Colts by three and a half. Colts with a surprising
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: win last week against the Chefs. I usually I'm a
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 1: Vrabel guy, and I believe in that team, but I
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: think they are another one of those teams trending down.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Indie at home to cover. Yeah, I'm
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: with Indie two. Gus Bradley actually cooking something up last
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: week for Patrick Mahomes, you know, typically one of those
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: guys that just does what he does, but spun the
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: dial a little bit last week. So I'll go with
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: the Colts. I will take Indie to win, but I
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: will take the hook and take Tennessee to cover. I
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 1: will take Tennessee outright, so not only do they cover,
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: but they win without the upset pick of the week. Folks. No,
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: that was the Texans. Folks think that one might be
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: coming last today one o'clock. The two and one bears
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 1: right right the way you do, exactly at the two
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: and one Giants, Giants by three and a half. This
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 1: is uh feel sorry for the people that have to
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 1: watch this one. No, I'll take the Giants. I know,
• 1:41:20
  Speaker 1: a little bit of a stumble, but I'm gonna take
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: them to bounce back at home, just because I think
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 1: Chicago sticks a tough one because the Bears don't trust
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 1: Justin Fields to throw and Daniel Jones can't throw, So
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 1: which quarterback do you go with in that situation question,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 1: I'll go at the Giants because they're at home. Yeah,
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take the Giants for the same reason. Um,
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: do you think it's all about justin fields? Are about
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: those around him? I think it's a little bit of everything.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 1: Darnell Mooney is probably his best receiver. Yeah, but I
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 1: think they were really worried about getting him killed offensive line. Yeah.
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna take the Giants either way. Yeah, me too.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: Giants the dable Giants one o'clock, two and one, Jaguars
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: at the three and oh. Eagles. Fun game, I know,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: like sneaky Eagles, buy six and a half. Man, It's
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: I mean, Jacksonville want to surprise teams of the year.
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence looking a lot better, actually has some real coaches.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: But I think I think Philly's legit. I'm a little
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 1: bit surprised, but I'm gonna take Philly and I'm gonna
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna lay those points as much as I'm tempted
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 1: to think it's gonna be a close game. Yeah, watching
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 1: Philly in primetime last week, you realize how loaded their
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 1: roster is. Like Darius Slay is probably like the sixth
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 1: best player on their team, which is amazing. So I
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 1: take Philly here. I'm gonna take Philly two, but i
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 1: will take the points. I'm a starting to become a
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 1: believer in in Jacksonville, so I'll take the points. I'll see.
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 1: I think they will keep it close. Maybe a backdoor cover.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 1: I'm with you, Paul Trevor Lawrence. I like them. They
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 1: cover one o'clock the one and two. Jets are at
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 1: the one and two Steelers. Steelers by three. It looks
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 1: like Zach Wilson will be his dabut. Jack Wilson is
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 1: gonna make his debut. UM. That's a tough one, tough one, Um,
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go for it with the Jets. I'm
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 1: gonna say Zach Wilson uh gets the win in his
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 1: return at Pittsburgh. Tough pick, but I'm gonna go for it.
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 1: I'm taking Pittsburgh. I actually think Zach Wilson coming back
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 1: might hurt the Jets, not helping them. Yeah, I'm gonna
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 1: take the Jets. Um, I'm breaking my rule two bad
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 1: teams usually take the home team, but I'm gonna break
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 1: my rule in this one. I think they'll get a
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 1: little bit of a bump from from Wilson. Okay, I'm
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 1: gonna take the Steelers. Steelers at home now, he moved
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 1: to four or five. The one and two Cardinals are
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 1: at the one and two Panthers, Carolina by one and
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 1: a half. Yeah, I just, uh, Christian McCaffrey miss practice
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 1: again today. I gotta I gotta go with Arizona. I mean,
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 1: I'm surprised at how bad they've been, but I'm gonna
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 1: take them as a road upset as well, not upset,
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: but you know, this Cardinals offense is mess right now,
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: but I still think that they have enough talent to
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 1: beat a team like Carolina. So I'll take Arizona. Yeah,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, I think the three of us might be
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 1: and for I just think this line looks backwards to me.
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna take Arizona too, but maybe they're just not
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 1: very good. I am as well. I'm gonna take Arizona
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 1: twenty five. The two on one Broncos are a rare
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 1: away game. They're at Las Vegas the Owin three Raiders
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 1: Raiders by two and a half. I gotta go with
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: Josh and the Raiders. I think they got to get
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 1: their first win. They got too much talent. And Denver,
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, they're playing a little better, But I'm gonna
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 1: go with Vegas and and hope for Josh and those
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 1: guys to get the dub. Yeah. I think this is
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 1: this is the week for Josh McDaniels to finally get
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: a win. It's really been Derek Carr hasn't really seen
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: the field very well, but I think this is the
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: week that they finally get together. Got to simplify the office.
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: I haven't watched much of it. How much of that
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: you think has been called? Are not being comfortable yet
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: in that offense? I think it's weird about to him
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 1: just playing badly. Yeah, I think what's weird about it
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: is that he's missing Davante Adams a lot, which is
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: like the guy that they traded for because they can
• 1:45:11
  Speaker 1: when in doubt. Yeah, you know, it's weird. I would
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: be interesting, though, get his first win against Denver. They
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: hate him, they hate Josh. But I'm gonna take the Raiders,
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 1: will probably going forward with picking them too. Yeah, I'm
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 1: gonna go with the Raiders as well. At some point
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 1: they gotta get off the Schneider. I just think I
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: don't think I've seen very many games that were worse
• 1:45:31
  Speaker 1: than that primetime game last week with San Francisco and Denver.
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: Denver setback offense decades in that game. My eyes are
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 1: just cooling off. They burned right out of my They're not.
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: Wilson might be washed. I just I'm that close. Like
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 1: he just doesn't look like he can play anymore. And
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's just because of the guy
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 1: that's coaching, or they got talented offense too awful. Yeah,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 1: they got receivers that's not a talent issue on offensive,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: and they could run the ball too. They give him extension. Yeah, oh,
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: he looks terrible. Now we're gonna skip over the Patriots
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 1: at four twenty five and we're gonna go to eight
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 1: twenty one. The two and one Chiefs are at the
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: two and one Buccaneers. Uh. This game, as of now
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: is still at Raymond James Stadium. It could be played
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: in Minnesota. I think it's officially been Oh is it
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 1: officially an update? Officially official? I saw that. Yeah, Adam Schefter,
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 1: it's staying in Tampa. Yes, okay, Wow, So at Raymond
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: James Stadium. The Chiefs are favored by one and a
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 1: half and Brady's guys any any any weaponry coming back
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 1: like Mike Evans is right, I don't think it's gonna
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 1: be enough. I'm gonna take the Chiefs on the road.
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 1: I'll lay the points. Yeah, that that offense last week.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: I know Mike Evans comes back, but they couldn't run
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 1: the ball against the Packers. The receivers were limited. I
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 1: like Kansas City here as well. Yeah, I'll take the
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 1: Chiefs too. I hate doubting Tom Brady at your own peril,
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 1: but I will take the Chiefs. I'm gonna take the
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: Chiefs as well. Monday night, eight fifteen, the two and
• 1:47:10
  Speaker 1: one Rams are at the one and two forty nine Ers.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 1: Forty nine is by one and a half? Really? Wow?
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 1: Am I the only surprised by that? Rams haven't played
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 1: well either? I guess I just remember that came from
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: last week with San France. No, but I hear what
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: you're saying. No, it's a strange. It's a strange spread
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: to me. But you know, I think San Francisco is
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: pretty good, only a point and a half favorite at home. Yeah,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna take the Rams. Yeah, I'm blanking
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 1: on the there's some weird NFC West trends where like
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: certain m Yeah, so that's probably why the line is
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: what it is. So I like San Francisco in this
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: game because it seems like they have each other's numbers
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: in that division. Yeah, the Rams own the Cardinals and
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: the Niners own the Rams, right. I think that's the
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: way that That's the way love goes owns. Um, I'm
• 1:48:02
  Speaker 1: gonna take the Rams just because I like them. I'm
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: gonna take the Rams as well. Even trends get to
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: be broken sometimes, all right. Now we go back to
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 1: four twenty five. Uh, the one and two Patriots are
• 1:48:17
  Speaker 1: visiting Lambeau for the two and with the two and
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: one Packers Packers by ten ten points. Uh yeah, I
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: think the Patriots are are gonna play hard in this one.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 1: I think their defense will you know, largely contain green
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 1: Bay's offense for much of the game. Um, you know,
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 1: I think the Patriots offense will move the ball. I
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 1: want they'll probably struggle in the red zone though, So
• 1:48:41
  Speaker 1: I see green Bay kind of pulling away late, kind
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 1: of similar to that Kansas City game. Maybe not as
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 1: low scoring, but I'm gonna take a green Bay thirteen
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 1: I have the same feelings as Mike on this one.
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 1: I had twenty four ten, the exact same score from
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 1: the Chiefs game in twenty twenty when Hoyers started just
• 1:48:59
  Speaker 1: I think green Bay scores that touchdown late, though, I
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 1: think the Patriots keep this competitive. I think the score
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 1: of that game was twenty six to ten, but six
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: gon nitpick, Why don't you look at I'm picking nits.
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: I am gonna take green Bay. I am having the opposite. Well,
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: I think they get a lead and sort of coast
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: and the Patriots have the back door cover. I'm gonna say, well,
• 1:49:24
  Speaker 1: it's gonna actually land on ten here, unfortunately, but I'm
• 1:49:27
  Speaker 1: gonna take the Patriots to cover. I'll say twenty six
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: sixteen Green Bay a lot of field goals. Okay, folks,
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: these are the times that try the souls of Patriots.
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 1: Do we need the music? Do we need some background music?
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: Do you have anything patriotic? God bless America. I'm talking
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 1: to you, Bill Belichick. Bury the ball, show them that
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: horse race, Tell them about Shackleton's vacation. What's their vacation,
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 1: high it was an adventure, whatever it was. Take them bowling,
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 1: Do whatever you have to do, show them miracle on ice,
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: bringing the kid to do the motivational talk, whatever you
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: have to do, pull out all the stops, because this
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: is where we got to rally the troops. This is
• 1:50:09
  Speaker 1: where we got to circle the wagons. We gotta get
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 1: around Axel Hoyer and and you know, make up for
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: him and come together in this at lambeau Field. What
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: would be better than going to lambeau Field and coming
• 1:50:24
  Speaker 1: back with a win. They've done tougher things, They've done
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: tougher things before, we can do it. I remember Troy
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 1: Brown playing I remember Troy Brown playing corner against the
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: greatest show on turf and the Patriots coming back with
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: that win. No one thought they could do it. Adam
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: Vinatari throwing a touchdown in that game, remember that ball.
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: I Doah Smock Boulder playing quarterback for the Rams, though
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: not Adamon Rodgers, Okay, but that he had a lot
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 1: of a lot of weapons, a lot of weapons models.
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: So I'm taking the points what the Patriots lose. So
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: you're doing the same. So you're doing the same thing
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: as me after all of that. Yeah, yeah, all right, yeah,
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 1: Well while you were doing that, we were watching on
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: a sports center. They were picking in their eliminator pool,
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: and all four of the pundits chose green bag day.
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 1: That's such an you can't like, can you look yourself
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: in the mirror? If you're taking the Packers against the
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: Patriots backup quarterback at home, I mean, that's not really
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 1: going out on a limb, right, Yeah, if I was
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: gonna take I don't generally take the Patriots in those
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: things for obvious reasons. Um, but if I wouldn't have
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: had anything to do with the quarterback. If if I
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: look the Packers at home, I don't think we're gonna
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 1: lose that game. We'll see. Everything's offense is not not
• 1:51:37
  Speaker 1: what you think of when you think of Aaron Rodgers
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: right now. But they're playing a defense that I know
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 1: I picked. I do think there's hope. I do think
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 1: there's hope. And it's up to the Patriots defense. You know,
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: if you can keep somehow the Packers under twenty, there's
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: a chance, there's a chance. I agree. It's all a
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: lot of the things that the Packers are doing offensively
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 1: to move the ball is play action, RPO, you know,
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: bootlegs stuff, Shanahan stuff like. That's their offense right now.
• 1:52:05
  Speaker 1: If you get them into a drop back passing game
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: and just make them beat you by throw into the
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 1: five eligible receivers. It's six yards per tempt. It's not
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: a good drop back passing offense at the moment. It's
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 1: a very The protection has been okay, but his numbers
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: under pressure have plummeted, which I think those two things
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: traditional drop back passing and pressure. If those things are
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: bad and the quarterback, you know, is not the problem,
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: usually that indicates that receiver separation is the issue that
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 1: they're going against. And that's sort of what I saw
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 1: on film from the Packers last week. Is if Lafleur
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 1: can scheme it up and Rogers has the quick release
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 1: and can kind of manipulate guys and stuff like that,
• 1:52:44
  Speaker 1: but the best of them, then they can make some plays.
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: But the second that you actually just play football eleven
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: on eleven, the Packers offense is not what it used
• 1:52:52
  Speaker 1: to be. Sounds like, like you said yesterday, the twenty
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: nineteen Patriots exactly the same thing. So big game for
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: Dietrich Wise, maybe Christian barm More. Do you think Barmore,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 1: if guy doesn't play, he gets early snaps on downs
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 1: like early down snaps sure, yeah, but like, is that
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 1: a liability against the run or because maybe? But I mean,
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know, But I mean I'm always like, just
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 1: go for it and let him play and let him
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 1: make plays and let him blow some plays and you know,
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 1: get get over the hump with this stuff. You know,
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 1: just get him out there and get him used to
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 1: play in the whole game and you know, making big
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 1: plays in the big moments when it comes down the stretch.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: You know, that's what you want out of Christian Barmore
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: a closer. But I like the idea of like pushing
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 1: that pocket. But that's when Rogers throws. The trouble is
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: they're a better running team right now, believe it or not. Yeah,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 1: this wide zone scheme that they run though, remember from
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and against the Rams, penetration is the
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: poison for this. So if you're a Christian Barmore, this
• 1:53:46
  Speaker 1: is one of those weeks where shooting gaps and getting
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: in the backfield instantly off the run is not a
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: bad thing. You know, some weeks you don't want to
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 1: be undisappointed and come out of your gap and stuff
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: like that. But this week is one of those weeks
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 1: where if you can get early penetration. I'm sure they'll,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 1: you know, have some of those run blitzer where they
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 1: kind of just shoot Duan Bentley through the A gap
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: and try to get him in the backfield too. That's
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: the type of scheme. He has, a delayed outside zone
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 1: type of scheme. And if you can get up the
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: field against them, I'll never forget Belichick and the whichever
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: you know miked up segment. It was saying, get vertical,
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 1: get vertical, get vertical, Like that's the type of scheme
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 1: that you want to do that against is what they're
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: facing on Sunday. So there could be a big bar
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 1: Moore game. Finally, one of those games where they take
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 1: the training wheels off a little bit, so to speak,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 1: and let him actually pin his ears back a little
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: bit more unleashed. All right, all right, Well that's gonna
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. Oh yeah,
• 1:54:41
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