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The Next Round: Ohio State vs. Indiana Showdown, Alabama-Tennessee Preview & Texas A&M's $6.28M Controversy | Hour 1 · The Next Round

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Speaker 1: last night, I want to get into the biggest college
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Speaker 1: football game that we have happening this weekend. And there's
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Speaker 1: a lot of ranked on ranked matchups, but none is
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Speaker 1: bigger than Ohio State at Indiana this week. The SEC's
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Speaker 1: had the main stage a lot of weeks, but this
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Speaker 1: is the Big Ten's big game of the year. You
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Speaker 1: have Ohio State, perennial power. playing indiana defending national champions
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Speaker 1: it's in bloomington and last year it was indiana beating
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Speaker 1: ohio state in the big 10 championship game here is
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Speaker 1: kirk signetti on just having this big game in bloomington indiana.
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Speaker 2: This obviously is one of the biggest home games in
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Speaker 2: iu football history at least modern iu football history your
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Speaker 2: thoughts on what you guys have done to just elevate
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Speaker 2: the program to this level to bring a game of
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Speaker 2: this magnitude to bloomington for the fan base Well.
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Speaker 3: I mean, winning does a lot of good things, and
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Speaker 3: I think that's what's happened. And, you know, you've got
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Speaker 3: an opponent coming in here that's used to winning and
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Speaker 3: winning championships and as strong a brand as there is,
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Speaker 3: you know, in America, high state football for years and
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Speaker 3: years and years. So, you know, we're a team that's
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Speaker 3: developing still, and I'm sure they would say the same
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Speaker 3: thing about their team. And, you know, it ought to
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Speaker 3: be a great environment.
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Speaker 1: Great environment. I can only imagine what it's going to
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Speaker 1: be like Do you picture Indiana having an intimidating home
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Speaker 1: field advantage?
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Speaker 4: Well, I know this is really going to shock you guys.
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Speaker 4: Memorial Stadium opened in 1960, and this is the first
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Speaker 4: ever top five matchup. in Memorial Stadium in Bloomingdale.
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Speaker 1: Takes two to tango, right? Who's responsible for that?
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Speaker 4: I think that's more so Indiana.
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Speaker 1: I guarantee you Ohio State's rolled in their number one
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Speaker 1: plenty of times.
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Speaker 4: Michigan and Michigan, yeah. They've won 19 straight at Memorial.
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Speaker 4: Kirk Cignetti has never lost a game there. They've won
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Speaker 4: 22 straight games overall. I mean, again, we'll continue to
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Speaker 4: say this until one day maybe Indiana ducks out of
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Speaker 4: being one of the elites. But it is maybe the
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Speaker 4: most incredible story, at least that I've ever seen, covering
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Speaker 4: college football.
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Speaker 1: Okay, so say that again. Sig has never lost at home.
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Speaker 4: He has never lost at home.
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Speaker 1: Never lost at home. And was it Clatt Monday that
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Speaker 1: was like, just go look at their splits, home and road,
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Speaker 1: how much better they play at home. Now, I'd have
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Speaker 1: to go back and look, and I'm willing to do
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Speaker 1: that over the last two years. what is the best
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Speaker 1: opponent they have played at Memorial Stadium? They haven't exactly
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Speaker 1: played a murderer's row there, Lance.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can tell you right now.
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Speaker 1: The best I can remember offhand, and Scott is showing
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Speaker 1: us a photo of just that intimidating environment there. I mean,
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Speaker 1: it's not a bad little stadium. You think you can
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Speaker 1: see a tree from inside? That's your test. For those
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Speaker 1: Sporting State, Jim Dunaway has a test of a real
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Speaker 1: college football stadium or not. If it's a real college
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Speaker 1: football stadium... You cannot see a tree from inside. If
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Speaker 1: you can see a tree from inside the stadium, from
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Speaker 1: the field. I think, sadly, I said, I don't think
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Speaker 1: if you can see a tree from inside the stadium,
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Speaker 1: you're a national championship program. And they proved me wrong
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Speaker 1: last year. They proved you wrong very quickly on that.
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Speaker 1: But basically, your rule is if you're standing on the
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Speaker 1: field and can see a tree outside the stadium.
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Speaker 4: 50-yard line.
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Speaker 1: If you're on the 50-yard line, you can see a tree. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's not a real stadium. It can be intimidating. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think you can see a tree right there. If
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Speaker 1: a bird... can see inside of the game from sitting
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Speaker 1: on a branch, a squirrel, then it can be intimidating.
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Speaker 4: So this year, the toughest opponent has been Northwestern, and
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Speaker 4: Northwestern is a ranked opponent right now for whatever that's worth.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a good game, too. It was a
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Speaker 1: Friday night game. Northwestern had an opportunity to win it.
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Speaker 4: Last year, their most difficult test was No. 9 Illinois
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Speaker 4: in Bloomington. They won by 53.
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Speaker 1: That's a top 10 win. By 53?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I'm going to say maybe Illinois was a touch overrated there.
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Speaker 4: If you go back to 2024, it was Michigan 2015.
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Speaker 4: Was Michigan ranked at the time? Yeah, they won 20
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Speaker 4: to 15. They were not.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, they only played one ranked or two ranked teams
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Speaker 4: that year, and they lost both Ohio State regular season
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Speaker 4: and then Notre Dame playoffs.
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Speaker 1: So you're telling me they have this whole run, they've
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Speaker 1: played two ranked teams there.
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Speaker 5: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Is that what you just told me? And paper tigers.
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Speaker 1: One was Northwestern and one was Illinois. Not exactly. I
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Speaker 1: don't want to scoff at the ranked teams. I'm sure
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Speaker 1: people would do this. Oh, Missouri. I'm sure they would
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Speaker 1: do that about an SEC team. I get it. Here's
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Speaker 1: Ryan Day because the last time these two teams played,
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Speaker 1: it could have impacted Ohio State's run, different path to
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Speaker 1: a national championship. But here's Ohio State's Ryan Day on
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Speaker 1: if there's any revenge, a little payback, a little growing
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Speaker 1: anger or grudge between Ohio State and Indiana.
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Speaker 4: How do you handle emotions of revenge?
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Speaker 1: The guys that were here, do you talk about it
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Speaker 1: at all?
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Speaker 4: Does that factor into the emotions going into this game?
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Speaker 1: I think.
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Speaker 5: Everybody has their own thoughts and emotions, but I think
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Speaker 5: as we talked on Sunday and we'll talk again today
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Speaker 5: here in the team meeting, nothing that happened in the
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Speaker 5: past has anything to do with what's going on this weekend.
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Speaker 1: We can learn from the past.
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Speaker 5: Some of the guys who played in that game can
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Speaker 5: learn about all the reasons why we came up short,
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Speaker 5: and that's fine, and that's good, but the focus has
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Speaker 5: to be on right now, and that's it.
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Speaker 1: So that's what we're going to focus on, and that'll
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Speaker 1: be the best for the team. What do you think
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Speaker 1: the Ohio State players that played in that game last
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Speaker 1: year learned about Indiana that carries over to any Cignetti team?
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Speaker 4: I think they learned from year one under Sig that
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Speaker 4: they didn't have as much skill. The skill has gotten better.
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Speaker 4: They've always been physically tough, but I just think they've
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Speaker 4: gotten better players. Now, this roster I don't think is
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Speaker 4: as good as last year's roster, although... I don't know
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Speaker 4: how far off it is. Now, Mendoza was a difference maker.
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Speaker 4: I think Josh Hoover is a good, solid college quarterback.
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Speaker 4: He's not Mendoza. But I do think Ohio State just
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Speaker 4: has learned how physical this team is over the last
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Speaker 4: couple of years.
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Speaker 1: But I think where– and we talked about this the
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Speaker 1: other day, and we talked about it with Klatt. I
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Speaker 1: think where you're going to see the biggest difference is
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Speaker 1: in the defensive backfield. They don't have– D'Angelo Pines, undersized,
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Speaker 1: was that boundary corner, and Klatt was talking about this.
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Speaker 1: If you watched the Nebraska game, Klatt was talking about it.
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Speaker 1: The Barney kid, I was going to pull up his
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Speaker 1: numbers because he had a good game, and he is
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Speaker 1: nothing close to Jeremiah Smith, but the Barney kid for
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Speaker 1: Nebraska had nine catches, 108 yards. I mean, he was
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Speaker 1: a stud in that game against Indiana Saturday. And now
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Speaker 1: you've got Jeremiah Smith coming in. So I do think
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Speaker 1: there's some yards to be had against that Indiana secondary.
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Speaker 1: You know, it's funny. You usually say one thing that
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Speaker 1: surprises you when you play a team is their speed.
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Speaker 1: I just didn't know they'd be that fast. You'd have
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Speaker 1: to adjust to that. Rarely is it. Man, they're a
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Speaker 1: lot more physical than I thought they were going to be.
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Speaker 1: And I think Indiana did that to Ohio State last
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Speaker 1: year in the Big Ten championship game. They definitely did
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Speaker 1: that to Alabama in the Rose Bowl. I think Alabama players.
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Speaker 1: by the end of the first half would probably have
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Speaker 1: told you we were not expecting to get pushed around
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Speaker 1: like we got pushed around by this team.
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Speaker 4: Well, you think about this. You go back to the
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Speaker 4: Big Ten championship game last year in Indianapolis. That was
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Speaker 4: the last time that they had trailed in a football
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Speaker 4: game until last weekend in Lincoln. So think about, they
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Speaker 4: went through that entire college football playoff run without trailing
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Speaker 4: for one minute. They finally trailed last week, and I
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Speaker 4: think it was actually good for Cignetti's bunch, especially going
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Speaker 4: into a game like this to be down double digits
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Speaker 4: in the fourth quarter, hostile environment, and be able to
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Speaker 4: come back.
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Speaker 1: 100%, because you saw how they responded. Nebraska was the
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Speaker 1: better team for 55 minutes of that game, 50 minutes
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Speaker 1: of that game. But then when, as the coaches say,
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Speaker 1: when it came nut-cutting time, Who was the best team?
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Speaker 1: It was Indiana. And Nebraska shrunk in the moment. Jackie Sherrill,
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Speaker 1: one of the coaches that would always say that. I've
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Speaker 1: got questions about quarterbacks on a lot of big games
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Speaker 1: this week.
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Speaker 4: Real quick, on the Indiana pass defense, it is right
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Speaker 4: there with Georgia. I mean, it's not great, but they're
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Speaker 4: only giving up 188 yards per game.
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Speaker 1: Some of that's who they play. I get it.
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Speaker 4: Like Aiden Childs, Anthony Calandria. I mean, not great quarterbacks.
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Speaker 4: This will be by far their biggest test. But I'm
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Speaker 4: just saying, it hasn't been bad yet.
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Speaker 1: So I'm going to bounce around through a couple of games,
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Speaker 1: and you tell me quarterback advantage in each game. Now
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Speaker 1: some of this, I'm going to ask you to, however
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Speaker 1: you want to do it, but obviously some people have
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Speaker 1: Jeremiah Smith and some people don't. So however you want
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Speaker 1: to skew that factor in. Some people have a great
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Speaker 1: offensive line, some don't. But we'll start there in Bloomington,
11:09
Speaker 1: 11 a.m. on Fox. Quarterback advantage in this game, Julian San,
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Speaker 1: Josh Hoover, and Wyne.
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Speaker 4: I'm going to go Julian Sayen just because of the accuracy.
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Speaker 4: I mean, Hoover has not turned it over yet, which
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Speaker 4: is great, but I also look at the experience on
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Speaker 4: a higher level for Julian Sayen, and I do think
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Speaker 4: it helps.
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Speaker 1: The gap's not that big at receiver.
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Speaker 4: No, it's not because when you do Charlie Becker and
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Speaker 4: Nick Marsh, because you really don't have that complimentary No.
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Speaker 4: 2 guy. You haven't needed it with Jeremiah Smith. So, yeah,
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Speaker 4: I don't disagree when you get the combination of those
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Speaker 4: two guys to that one guy, but I would definitely
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Speaker 4: say Julian Sane just because of the accuracy.
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Speaker 1: If you're going to want to talk parts around him,
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Speaker 1: I think where the biggest gap probably is is Bo
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Speaker 1: Jackson at running back for Ohio State with him being black,
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Speaker 1: not being back for Indiana this year.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but Turbo Richard and Lee Beebe have been pretty good.
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Speaker 1: But I think Bo Jackson's the best. He's probably the
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Speaker 1: best of the backs.
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Speaker 4: So another thing to watch out for, you know, you
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Speaker 4: guys watched the game last week, but they were down
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Speaker 4: two offensive starters. Now, Ryan Day hasn't said, he said
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Speaker 4: a lot of these guys will be available, but he
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Speaker 4: hasn't specifically said which guys. And, you know, there were
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Speaker 4: a couple of sacks and a fumble from Sayan last week.
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Speaker 4: So this is going to be a better defense that
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Speaker 4: he will face.
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Speaker 1: And those guys are on the offensive line, correct?
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Speaker 4: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: That's something to keep an eye on as availability reports
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Speaker 1: start jumping out this week. Speaking of which. There's no
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Speaker 1: doubt in my mind in Mississippi State LSU, the best
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Speaker 1: quarterback in the game would be Kamario Taylor. But as
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Speaker 1: you've been hinting, today is the first of the availability reports.
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Speaker 1: This will be the first alarm bell that should go
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Speaker 1: off today about Kamario Taylor.
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Speaker 4: Let me shake my crystal ball and look in it.
12:48
Speaker 4: I think you will hear an announcement that Kamario Taylor
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Speaker 4: has had surgery.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. Can you elaborate any more on that, Lance?
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Speaker 4: I think the expectation would be to be back by Texas. OK,
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Speaker 4: but don't be surprised if you hear that today.
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Speaker 1: OK, there was. So do you expect it to show
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Speaker 1: up out? Doubtful and questionable first on the availability report
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Speaker 1: because they've been slow playing. It's been leaking out yesterday
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Speaker 1: that there could be some issues with Camario Taylor. You've
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Speaker 1: been up front all along that that you didn't think
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Speaker 1: he'd play in this game. And now you're dropping the
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Speaker 1: surgery word. The S word?
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Speaker 4: You know, I'm just not going to be surprised at
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Speaker 4: all if it comes out today that Kamario Taylor has
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Speaker 4: had surgery and Parker Puckett will be your starting quarterback.
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Speaker 1: So Chris Lowe, who will be on the show later,
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Speaker 1: yesterday tweets of Kamario Taylor, turf toe injuries are tough
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Speaker 1: to come back from in a short period of time.
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Speaker 1: So that might indicate. And by the way, turf toe,
13:49
Speaker 1: it's the worst named sports injury. It is not like
13:53
Speaker 1: you've scraped your toe or something like that. It's actually
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Speaker 1: a limit. It's a broken toe, right? Or a broken toe, yeah.
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Speaker 4: And maybe the broken toe gets translated to a broken
14:02
Speaker 4: foot or vice versa. Whatever I had heard a couple
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Speaker 4: of weeks ago, but don't be surprised at all. I
14:07
Speaker 4: would lean that you're going to hear that. But you
14:09
Speaker 4: already had the bye week off. You get LSU off.
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Speaker 4: You get Oklahoma off. And Texas is coming up on
14:16
Speaker 4: October 31st. And you know with sports medicine, things are
14:19
Speaker 4: much rapidly done now as opposed to back in the past.
14:23
Speaker 4: So you can have a procedure. We've seen it before.
14:26
Speaker 4: And you can come back within a month.
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Speaker 1: All due respect to Puckett, that gives advantage in the
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Speaker 1: quarterback to LSU. And the few snaps he came in
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Speaker 1: and took against Alabama, he looked like he was treading
14:36
Speaker 1: water in the deep end. Oh, he was. So we'll see.
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Speaker 1: We'll see what he looks like.
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Speaker 1: When that story comes out?
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: I mean, how big will that go? What is it
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Speaker 1: right now?
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Speaker 4: It's pretty heavy. I think it was 11 and a half.
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Speaker 1: The last time I checked. So if story comes out
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Speaker 1: today or when the– Availability report comes out tonight.
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Speaker 4: It's actually 13 and a half. I mean, it continues
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Speaker 4: to go up.
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Speaker 1: So it's already been leaking a little bit. So if
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Speaker 1: Taylor is listed, it's out on the availability report.
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Speaker 4: Probably 15 and a half. Okay. I was going to go.
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Speaker 4: But I mean, that's a key number. So 13 and
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Speaker 4: a half right now. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Florida, Texas. If I asked you, Florida, Texas. Philo. Arch Manning,
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Speaker 1: who has the quarterback advantage. Philo's at a wall, unfortunately,
15:23
Speaker 1: for Philo.
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Speaker 4: Even if Philo was playing like he was, I would
15:26
Speaker 4: still say Arch at this point. I know we've completely
15:29
Speaker 4: shit on Arch the last couple of weeks, and maybe
15:32
Speaker 4: even going back further, I have. But I still think
15:34
Speaker 4: he's a more talented guy. And then you look at
15:36
Speaker 4: all the skill around. Now, Vernell Brown coming back would
15:39
Speaker 4: be big for Florida. I don't know what has happened
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Speaker 4: to Jaden Bother the last couple of weeks. He's completely
15:44
Speaker 4: fallen off the list.
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Speaker 1: 72 yards in two weeks. And he's had quarters where
15:47
Speaker 1: he's had 72 yards. In the last two weeks, Florida
15:51
Speaker 1: has struggled to crank that running game engine. To open
15:56
Speaker 1: up run lanes. And I don't know why. And Buster
15:58
Speaker 1: Faulkner was the offensive genius. It's on Buster Faulkner. And
16:01
Speaker 1: it's on John Summerall. He's the head coach. But Buster
16:03
Speaker 1: Faulkner is his offensive coordinator. He's got to adjust to
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Speaker 1: this quickly. And I know everybody's saying the praises of
16:08
Speaker 1: Buster Faulkner and how amazing this guy was. But you wonder.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you've got to wonder this, right? You've got
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Speaker 1: to wonder if defensive coordinators have found something here. Like
16:18
Speaker 1: they've got, they'd had all this Buster Faulkner, Georgia Tech film,
16:22
Speaker 1: but now I've got three or four games of what
16:23
Speaker 1: he's doing at Florida with his personnel at Florida. And oh,
16:26
Speaker 1: there's what I can capitalize on. I mean, you've got
16:28
Speaker 1: to wonder that, Lance, because it's two straight weeks now
16:30
Speaker 1: for them where they have been ineffective offensively.
16:32
Speaker 4: Well, and the Missouri game was almost predictable. Going into Columbia,
16:35
Speaker 4: you kind of had this feeling, or at least we
16:37
Speaker 4: talked about, like Missouri was going to come out all cylinders.
16:40
Speaker 4: And once it got into the second half, I kind
16:42
Speaker 4: of lost even focusing on Florida's offense. I was just
16:45
Speaker 4: watching Florida's defense get gashed. And then when you come
16:48
Speaker 4: back to the Swamp this past weekend as a double-digit
16:51
Speaker 4: favorite and you get just completely annihilated by South Carolina,
16:56
Speaker 4: that becomes a bigger story for me. If they would
16:58
Speaker 4: have come back and beaten South Carolina, you would think
17:00
Speaker 4: Florida's got a fighting chance here. But I think it's
17:02
Speaker 4: going to be a really, really difficult task. And I
17:05
Speaker 4: do think Arch is the much better quarterback. Four more
17:08
Speaker 4: quick ones.
17:09
Speaker 1: Missouri Ole Miss is fascinating to me. Austin Simmons, Trinidad Chambliss.
17:13
Speaker 1: 2.30 on the SEC Network. Eli Drinkowitz joking that they
17:17
Speaker 1: see you on the SEC Network. You probably thought this
17:19
Speaker 1: game deserved a better time slot and or better network.
17:23
Speaker 1: Shot at your own network, by the way. Better quarterback, obviously,
17:27
Speaker 1: is Trinidad Chambliss. But it's close. How close is it?
17:30
Speaker 1: I mean, it.
17:32
Speaker 1: Maybe it's closer now than it was when Austin Simmons
17:34
Speaker 1: was actually Ole Miss' starting quarterback.
17:36
Speaker 4: I mean, it was a point where Austin Simmons was
17:39
Speaker 4: obviously the better quarterback because he was your starter to
17:42
Speaker 4: begin last season for Ole Miss. I think one of
17:44
Speaker 4: the benefits for Austin Simmons this year has been Jamal
17:47
Speaker 4: Roberts and how good he's been running the football. How
17:50
Speaker 4: healthy is Kiwan Lacy? Is he 100% yet? Trinidad Chambliss
17:54
Speaker 4: is the better quarterback, but it's not a huge gap.
17:57
Speaker 1: No, it's not a huge gap. I mean, I would...
17:59
Speaker 1: I think you could swap quarterbacks in this game and
18:01
Speaker 1: there wouldn't be a huge fall off. 630 ABC, Notre Dame, BYU,
18:06
Speaker 1: CJ Carr, obviously, but how big of a gap is
18:08
Speaker 1: it between him and Bear Bachmeier?
18:11
Speaker 4: Well, in order for BYU to win this game, Bear
18:13
Speaker 4: Bachmeier is going to have to have just a monumental
18:16
Speaker 4: career game because his ability to take it, run it,
18:19
Speaker 4: he'll run people over. Kind of a Josh Allen light, but...
18:24
Speaker 4: But C.J. Carr, you know, C.J. Carr could ultimately be
18:27
Speaker 4: the number one overall pick next year.
18:28
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bear Bachmeier, 71st in the nation in terms of
18:31
Speaker 1: yards per game, but he is not turning the ball
18:33
Speaker 1: over through the air. Only one interception, eight touchdowns, one pick,
18:36
Speaker 1: and his ability to run the ball is really what
18:39
Speaker 1: closes the gap between he and C.J. Carr, but it
18:41
Speaker 1: is a big gap. Is it true we don't, do
18:43
Speaker 1: we get TV ratings on the SEC network? At one point,
18:47
Speaker 1: they were not rated. They have, I've been leaked numbers
18:51
Speaker 1: because they do get internal ratings.
18:52
Speaker 5: Yeah.
18:53
Speaker 1: But for some reason, they are not publicizing. That's by
18:55
Speaker 1: ESPN's choice. But when the game's on there, do we
18:57
Speaker 1: get those numbers? I don't think they publicize them. I
19:01
Speaker 1: can get them. Which game do you want? Well, no,
19:03
Speaker 1: nothing in particular while we're on the air. I'm just
19:05
Speaker 1: wanting to see because it's a pretty good lineup on
19:07
Speaker 1: the SEC Network this weekend. Missouri, Ole Miss, two ranked teams, 230.
19:11
Speaker 1: And then the primetime is Kentucky at Oklahoma, 630 on
19:14
Speaker 1: the SEC Network. I want to see how that does
19:17
Speaker 1: against the other games. If you'll remind me next week,
19:19
Speaker 1: I'll get them. Okay, so you've got Kentucky and Menchie,
19:21
Speaker 1: who I think is the better quarterback. But how close,
19:23
Speaker 1: after Mateer wins Red River, is that matchup?
19:26
Speaker 4: I think it could be really close. I mean, the
19:28
Speaker 4: best of the best, like the best moments of these guys.
19:31
Speaker 4: I mean, Mateer, it's still kind of baffling. And I
19:33
Speaker 4: know it was wazoo to Oklahoma. But he was so
19:37
Speaker 4: freaking good at Wazoo. So, like, the best moments have
19:39
Speaker 4: been Mateer.
19:40
Speaker 1: I think it's close.
19:41
Speaker 4: Minchie has played at another level. And I think Minchie's
19:44
Speaker 4: got much better coaching.
19:45
Speaker 1: You saw Kenny Minchie's only interception. Luke Metz has it.
19:49
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it.
19:50
Speaker 5: It.
19:50
Speaker 1: He's not turning the football over, and that's something Mateer
19:52
Speaker 1: has done. He's got the four interceptions, but Minchie has
19:55
Speaker 1: protected the football very, very well for Kentucky. I mean,
19:59
Speaker 1: they have to, Jim. They're winning these games by the
20:01
Speaker 1: narrowest of margins. They've had to go to overtime on
20:04
Speaker 1: the road to beat South Carolina and at home to
20:05
Speaker 1: beat LSU. So they really have no margin for error
20:08
Speaker 1: at quarterback. And with all due respect to San and
20:12
Speaker 1: Hoover and to Simmons and Trinidad and Chambliss, you can
20:16
Speaker 1: make a case that maybe the best quarterback showdown of
20:19
Speaker 1: the night is 630 on Fox, Mestemaker in Oklahoma State,
20:23
Speaker 1: and Wegman of Houston. Who's got the advantage there?
20:26
Speaker 4: I would say Mestemaker just because, much like Barry Bachmeier,
20:30
Speaker 4: his ability to run it. But it's close. I mean,
20:33
Speaker 4: Wegman's got... He's got a little bit more experience just
20:36
Speaker 4: because he's older. But Mestemaker, man, I mean, going back
20:40
Speaker 4: last year in North Texas, and this is why it's
20:42
Speaker 4: weird to me that you can make the transition from
20:44
Speaker 4: North Texas to Oklahoma State, but you can't make it
20:46
Speaker 4: from Wazoo to Oklahoma. I know everybody's going to say SEC.
20:49
Speaker 4: I get that. But we've seen Mestemaker do it at
20:51
Speaker 4: a high level against Oregon.
20:52
Speaker 1: The numbers are really close, though, Jim. I mean, if
20:54
Speaker 1: you look at completion percentage, Mestemaker is 67 and a half,
20:56
Speaker 1: Wegman 66 and a half. Mestermakers 13 TDs, five picks,
21:02
Speaker 1: Wegman 15 TDs, just one interception.
21:06
Speaker 4: You could make an argument. This is the best quarterback matchup.
21:09
Speaker 4: I know Austin Simmons, Trinidad Chambliss are really, really close,
21:13
Speaker 4: but man, this is a great quarterback matchup.
21:16
Speaker 1: Speaking of great, we'll hear from Will Stein, Kentucky's coach,
21:20
Speaker 1: coming up on the other side. We'll talk about Alabama, Tennessee,
21:24
Speaker 1: of course, big game. These guys will be up in Knoxville.
21:27
Speaker 1: for that big game. All that still to come. Chris
21:30
Speaker 1: Lowe starts our number two. We'll talk about a good
21:34
Speaker 1: start for Little Bro. Little Bro. There are some programs
21:38
Speaker 1: in certain states or conferences that throughout history end up
21:43
Speaker 1: being the role of Little Brother. But a few Little
21:46
Speaker 1: Brothers are off to pretty good starts, better in some
21:48
Speaker 1: cases than Big Bro. We'll talk about that when we
21:51
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Speaker 1: next round here. Listen, there are times when, you know,
22:00
Speaker 1: the Secret Service does a wonderful job of protecting the
22:02
Speaker 1: President of the United States. But there are times I
22:06
Speaker 1: really believe they need to step in and tell the
22:09
Speaker 1: President he can't go somewhere for his own benefit. Word
22:14
Speaker 1: leaking out last night that the President is likely going
22:17
Speaker 1: to attend the Steelers-Buccaneers game Sunday in Tampa. And I
22:21
Speaker 1: would just say to the President of the United States,
22:24
Speaker 1: uh don't don't put yourself through those two offenses don't
22:27
Speaker 1: do that yourself don't don't go watch of all the
22:29
Speaker 1: places you could be on a sunday don't make it
22:32
Speaker 1: tampa and the steelers buccaneers.
22:35
Speaker 4: Yeah two good running backs bucky irving and jaylen warren
22:37
Speaker 4: what those guys have been able to do for those
22:39
Speaker 4: offenses but uh i agree.
22:41
Speaker 1: If i was the leader of the free world i
22:43
Speaker 1: would make different choices then i mean i understand going
22:46
Speaker 1: to texas and tennessee and in georgia and alabama but Steelers, Bucs.
22:51
Speaker 1: I'm a Bucs fan, and I wouldn't go to that game.
22:54
Speaker 1: He is no longer going, by the way. He's pulled
22:55
Speaker 1: out of that one?
22:56
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:56
Speaker 1: Whatever political race that was must really need his help
23:00
Speaker 1: for him to put himself through that one. Well, he's
23:01
Speaker 1: out now, so that's a good call there.
23:04
Speaker 4: That was quick.
23:04
Speaker 1: Apparently the poll numbers have come back a little better today,
23:06
Speaker 1: and they're like, okay, he does not have to go
23:08
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23:55
Speaker 1: Listen, we'll jump into some other little bros and big
23:58
Speaker 1: bros in a second. In the state of Kentucky, I
24:01
Speaker 1: worked there for a while. Kentucky's the big bro. Louisville's
24:05
Speaker 1: the little bro. But they really don't have that kind
24:07
Speaker 1: of relationship. But Kentucky in the SEC oftentimes is little
24:13
Speaker 1: bro to Tennessee. And because of Will Stein, little bro
24:17
Speaker 1: Kentucky is looking down in the standings at Tennessee, or
24:23
Speaker 1: at least they're close side by side. It's a different
24:25
Speaker 1: feel about this Kentucky team. Here's Will Stein after this
24:28
Speaker 1: great start for Kentucky.
24:30
Speaker 7: You came here to win, and you've had a lot
24:34
Speaker 7: of doubters. You knocked off a couple of ranked opponents.
24:38
Speaker 7: But do you feel more of a sense of, I
24:41
Speaker 7: told you so, or you haven't seen anything here?
24:46
Speaker 1: I mean, neither, to be honest.
24:48
Speaker 6: I just really try to show up every single day
24:50
Speaker 6: and do my job, which is be the head football
24:52
Speaker 6: coach and to create an environment of competition, of discipline,
24:58
Speaker 6: of accountability, toughness. And I think when you have a
25:02
Speaker 6: good process, which I believe we do here as an organization,
25:05
Speaker 6: it sets you up to be successful. So I really
25:08
Speaker 6: don't worry about what people think about me.
25:10
Speaker 4: I never have. I never will.
25:12
Speaker 6: That's just kind of how I am as a person.
25:14
Speaker 6: And that's really how my team plays.
25:16
Speaker 4: It's just funny.
25:16
Speaker 6: Everybody that we beat seems to be a really bad
25:19
Speaker 6: football team. So that's what kind of drives me a
25:22
Speaker 6: little bit right now.
25:23
Speaker 1: Alabama fans have been living that for years, brother. Tennessee
25:27
Speaker 1: and Kentucky. Tennessee and Kentucky side by side here. I
25:31
Speaker 1: don't think a lot of Tennessee fans... I expected to
25:33
Speaker 1: see that in their rearview mirror this year.
25:35
Speaker 4: No, and I think when you watch both, it seems
25:37
Speaker 4: like Kentucky's the more complete team right now. Now, I
25:41
Speaker 4: say that. Kentucky's got multiple guys in that backfield. Baxter's
25:45
Speaker 4: been really good. I mean, they don't have a Deshaun Bishop,
25:48
Speaker 4: but Minchie has been better, much better than either quarterback option.
25:51
Speaker 1: The difference is quarterback play right now. Go ahead. Well,
25:53
Speaker 1: I was just going to say real quick, not to
25:55
Speaker 1: tell you how to do the segment here. When would
25:58
Speaker 1: I ever do that? But could you make an argument
26:01
Speaker 1: that Kentucky's a little bro to Kentucky basketball? That's what
26:03
Speaker 1: makes this kind of crazy, right? Yeah, that's not even
26:05
Speaker 1: close anymore. Yeah, I mean, then I was going to
26:08
Speaker 1: bring that up. This is the most popular guy in
26:10
Speaker 1: the state of Kentucky right here. Yeah. By far and away.
26:12
Speaker 4: Yeah.
26:13
Speaker 1: Like, I mean, Louisville, you live there. Kentucky, 90-10 Kentucky,
26:16
Speaker 1: the state of Kentucky at best, right? Louisville, they got
26:19
Speaker 1: fans in Louisville, but that's about it, right? Louisville and
26:21
Speaker 1: the Metro. Yeah, and you go outside the Metro of
26:24
Speaker 1: Louisville and it's all blue. And Mark Pope is in the...
26:30
Speaker 1: to be as kind as I can to be him
26:31
Speaker 1: on a scorching hot seat coming into this year. Scorching hot.
26:34
Speaker 1: I think preseason SEC media poll, Kentucky is seventh. Yeah,
26:38
Speaker 1: if they finish there, Mark Pope's probably looking for a job.
26:40
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the equivalent of, I mean, I guess
26:42
Speaker 4: it was kind of close this year, Alabama being seventh
26:44
Speaker 4: preseason in football.
26:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah, that's not a comfortable place to be.
26:49
Speaker 1: But here's the question about Stein. Now, I don't know
26:52
Speaker 1: if Stein can land. I don't think he can land
26:54
Speaker 1: the plane this year. I think this is a great start,
26:56
Speaker 1: and the second half of this season is going to
26:58
Speaker 1: bring it back to reality a little bit. But if
27:00
Speaker 1: he does, here's his challenge. If he lands this plane,
27:03
Speaker 1: if they're 10-2 or somehow 11-1, here's his challenge. To
27:07
Speaker 1: not be Sonny Dykes, to be Kurt Cignetti. And that's
27:09
Speaker 1: the challenge these coaches that have immediate success will face.
27:13
Speaker 1: Sonny Dykes, year one at TCU, nobody expected anything. They
27:16
Speaker 1: played for the national championship. Kurt Cignetti, year one at Indiana,
27:20
Speaker 1: nobody thought he could win a game and they were
27:22
Speaker 1: in the college football playoff. And Cignetti has maintained it.
27:25
Speaker 1: Dykes is now on the hot seat for TCU.
27:27
Speaker 4: Yeah, but I do think the difference, Dykes is a
27:29
Speaker 4: guy that had a lot of experience.
27:31
Speaker 1: He did.
27:32
Speaker 4: Was a coach at Cal. Was a coach at... Did
27:36
Speaker 4: he ever coach Texas Tech?
27:37
Speaker 1: He was at SMU, right?
27:38
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess he did. La Tech.
27:40
Speaker 1: La Tech. I mean, he had been all over the place. Yeah,
27:42
Speaker 1: he was around. He made the move from SMU to TCU.
27:44
Speaker 1: Was that his first year, really, when he made it
27:46
Speaker 1: to the national championship? Yeah, year one when they played
27:47
Speaker 1: for the national championship. Yeah, nobody expected anything out of TCU,
27:50
Speaker 1: and they surprised everybody. Yeah. Anyway, I... Will Stein, when
27:54
Speaker 1: he said at SEC Media Days when I was asked,
27:57
Speaker 1: why do you think you win at Kentucky?
27:58
Speaker 5: Me.
27:59
Speaker 1: So far, he's been dead on with that right there.
28:02
Speaker 1: He's been a baller. I do have a couple others,
28:05
Speaker 1: and maybe you want to throw some in on the
28:07
Speaker 1: little brother, big brother battle. It changed a little bit.
28:12
Speaker 1: It changed a little bit with the Red River win.
28:15
Speaker 1: But for a moment, Oklahoma State, now different leagues, different competition,
28:20
Speaker 1: but for a moment, Oklahoma State, was all of a
28:22
Speaker 1: sudden that little bro in the state was looking at
28:24
Speaker 1: big bro and said, hey, we're back, baby.
28:26
Speaker 4: Well, I think we're going to miss Bedlam. I mean,
28:29
Speaker 4: that would be a really fun game this year because
28:31
Speaker 4: you've got a dynamic offense.
28:33
Speaker 1: And a terrible offense.
28:34
Speaker 4: Yeah, with what Eric Morris has done going against what
28:37
Speaker 4: is an elite defense. And then Oklahoma State's defense is
28:40
Speaker 4: a little shaky going against that really bad Oklahoma offense.
28:43
Speaker 4: So that would be a great game. I do think.
28:46
Speaker 4: I don't know who's better.
28:47
Speaker 1: If they played each other, who wins that game?
28:49
Speaker 4: I mean, you put Mastemaker on that Oklahoma team, they
28:51
Speaker 4: might win the national championship.
28:53
Speaker 1: I see what you're saying. Again, a good quarterback. It's
28:57
Speaker 1: all Oklahoma needs.
28:58
Speaker 4: I think I would play Oklahoma State right now.
29:01
Speaker 1: Now listen, Oregon State is off. They're G6. They're not
29:07
Speaker 1: a power forward team. They're off the beaten path. But
29:10
Speaker 1: in the state of Oregon right now, who's walking around
29:13
Speaker 1: with their chest puffed out a little bit more than
29:15
Speaker 1: they were six months ago, eight months ago. Oregon State,
29:18
Speaker 1: and for two reasons. Littleboro, Oregon State's having a pretty
29:20
Speaker 1: good year so far. Yeah, and Oregon is not. I mean,
29:23
Speaker 1: it has timed out perfectly for Jamarcus Shepard. And they
29:25
Speaker 1: both got two losses. Yeah, I was going to say,
29:27
Speaker 1: they got the same. I mean, the expectation's much different. Yeah, nobody.
29:31
Speaker 4: But I'll tell you, the better offense, no doubt, has
29:34
Speaker 4: been Jamarcus Shepard and what they've been able to do
29:36
Speaker 4: with that Beaver offense.
29:38
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, different competition, I always do. that because it's
29:40
Speaker 1: hard to compare notes when you've got Oregon State playing
29:44
Speaker 1: the teams they play in Oregon who's had to To
29:46
Speaker 1: play the USC's of the world. Oregon State opened against
29:49
Speaker 1: Houston and Texas Tech, and those weren't blowouts. No. I mean,
29:52
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to lower the bar here for Oregon State.
29:55
Speaker 1: Had a chance to win both those games. They were
29:57
Speaker 1: competitive games. Now Oregon State has gotten to an easier
30:00
Speaker 1: part of their schedule. But I remember fading them, and
30:02
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you know what? These secondaries aren't
30:04
Speaker 1: any good. Is what I took away from those games
30:07
Speaker 1: instead of saying, you know what? Braden Atkinson.
30:10
Speaker 4: And Jesse Legree are really, really good. And Jamarcus Shepard's
30:13
Speaker 4: done a hell of a job scheming.
30:14
Speaker 1: Yeah.
30:15
Speaker 4: Yeah.
30:15
Speaker 1: But they are in the easier part of their schedule now.
30:17
Speaker 1: There's no doubt for Oregon State.
30:19
Speaker 4: By the way, Braden Atkinson has got a 71% completion percentage.
30:26
Speaker 4: He is leading the nation with total yards and passing yards.
30:30
Speaker 4: And he's leading the nation in touchdown passes with 21
30:33
Speaker 4: and only two interceptions.
30:34
Speaker 1: Yeah. They're killing it. They're killing it. And I don't
30:37
Speaker 1: know what– I mean, you look at the rest of
30:38
Speaker 1: their schedule– They got a shot at being like a
30:42
Speaker 1: 9-3 type team. They've still got to go to Boise State.
30:44
Speaker 1: That'll be a tough one for them. They've got to
30:45
Speaker 1: go to Fresno. That'll be a tough one for them.
30:49
Speaker 1: Just imagine if they'd have taken care of business in
30:51
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter against Oregon State and Houston. what the
30:54
Speaker 1: conversation would be about Oregon State as that possible group
30:58
Speaker 1: of 16.
30:58
Speaker 4: And that could be one of those games that you
31:01
Speaker 4: would have circled.
31:02
Speaker 1: At Boise State. Yeah, at Boise State. Now, don't forget
31:04
Speaker 1: they play a home-and-home in Washington State. Weird scheduling out there.
31:07
Speaker 1: Starting this weekend. It starts this weekend as the home
31:09
Speaker 1: part for them, and they've got to go on the
31:11
Speaker 1: road at the end of the year. The ultimate little bro, though,
31:14
Speaker 1: right now, who can't yet flex the full muscle, but
31:18
Speaker 1: they're right there, much like Tennessee and Kentucky in the
31:20
Speaker 1: rearview mirror. Is UCLA with USC? Well, it's about to change,
31:26
Speaker 1: I'm afraid, for them with Nico out. That feels like.
31:31
Speaker 4: I don't disagree. It's season ending.
31:33
Speaker 1: It is season ending. I mean, he's done for the year,
31:34
Speaker 1: and this feels like the turning point when we'll look
31:37
Speaker 1: back and say... Do you think Lincoln Riley ever thought
31:39
Speaker 1: he'd see that above him?
31:40
Speaker 5: No.
31:40
Speaker 1: In the standings right there?
31:42
Speaker 5: No.
31:42
Speaker 4: And again, I was going to bring this up. We
31:44
Speaker 4: went a little long with Brock yesterday, but I did
31:46
Speaker 4: mention this on the show a couple of days ago.
31:49
Speaker 4: Can you imagine 9-2, 9-2?
31:51
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I could see it.
31:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, now it is going to be difficult
31:55
Speaker 4: because of the quarterback situation.
31:57
Speaker 1: Is the younger Amelieva taking over? Is that who's going
32:00
Speaker 1: to take over? It's going to be him or the
32:01
Speaker 1: kid we saw. The kid from Cal Poly.
32:03
Speaker 4: Yeah.
32:04
Speaker 1: So the younger Amelieva is out there and could be
32:07
Speaker 1: taking over. Yeah, he replaced him.
32:08
Speaker 4: He was the three.
32:10
Speaker 1: He played in the Cal game, though. When Nico went
32:12
Speaker 1: out of the Cal game, the younger one came in. Now,
32:14
Speaker 1: he didn't play long because Nico was only out a
32:16
Speaker 1: few plays. But, yeah, he came in in the Cal game.
32:19
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know for UCLA, Jim. They play
32:21
Speaker 1: Wisconsin this week. That's a tough game for them, though.
32:23
Speaker 1: I don't know what the point spread is. Two and
32:25
Speaker 1: a half.
32:25
Speaker 4: I think they're going to lose.
32:26
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think Wisconsin probably wins that game. Big win
32:28
Speaker 1: for Luke Fickle, obviously. Setting up a huge game next
32:30
Speaker 1: week at Wisconsin. Who's that? I think it's USC-Wisconsin. USC-Wisconsin?
32:36
Speaker 4: Yeah, USC's got a bye this week, so that is
32:38
Speaker 4: a benefit.
32:40
Speaker 1: But, I mean, they still play Michigan State at Minnesota-Illinois
32:43
Speaker 1: at Michigan-USC at the end. It's going to be hard
32:45
Speaker 1: without Nico for him. I mean, maybe they're a two-loss
32:48
Speaker 1: team in the USC game.
32:49
Speaker 4: I mean, that would be fun. Victory bell, two loss,
32:52
Speaker 4: two loss, winner and loser.
32:55
Speaker 1: Any other little bros out there that's having a better start?
32:59
Speaker 1: You guys tell me, who is the little bro, Mississippi
33:01
Speaker 1: State or Ole Miss? Generally, if you have state in
33:04
Speaker 1: your name, just in general. If you're the University of,
33:07
Speaker 1: you're the primary team. If you have State in your name,
33:10
Speaker 1: you're the little brother.
33:11
Speaker 4: I've just never been able to figure it out with
33:12
Speaker 4: those two teams.
33:13
Speaker 1: People will argue. There are some exceptions, obviously. Ohio University
33:17
Speaker 1: is little brother to Ohio State. I get that. So
33:19
Speaker 1: there are exceptions. That's why I say generally, if you've
33:21
Speaker 1: got State in your team, University of is the primary team.
33:25
Speaker 1: So I would say historically Ole Miss has been the
33:27
Speaker 1: better of the two. I would say in the minds
33:32
Speaker 1: of the people that go to school in Oxford, they
33:35
Speaker 1: think they're the big brother. I do think that's the case, yes.
33:38
Speaker 4: I would say that Mississippi State has had the better season,
33:42
Speaker 4: although Ole Miss exercised the biggest team, and they wanted to,
33:45
Speaker 4: and that was beating Lane Kiffin.
33:46
Speaker 1: That's right.
33:47
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I don't know. It's kind of even to
33:49
Speaker 4: this point. Now, you get this news about Kamario Taylor.
33:52
Speaker 4: It's probably going to come down pretty soon.
33:53
Speaker 1: Well, that could have flipped it. If there was a
33:56
Speaker 1: way they could go win at LSU and Ole Miss
33:58
Speaker 1: loses to Missouri– then you would know who's got the
34:01
Speaker 1: upper hand right now in that game. Little bro Texas
34:04
Speaker 1: A & M, and I know no school likes to
34:06
Speaker 1: be little bro. I'm using this as just a jest
34:08
Speaker 1: in a segment. But you're absolutely correct. Little bro Texas
34:10
Speaker 1: A & M was in a great spot last year
34:12
Speaker 1: with Texas out of the playoffs and them in hosting
34:14
Speaker 1: a game. And they've squandered it all.
34:16
Speaker 4: Sark has got to love this on the back burner
34:18
Speaker 4: because can you imagine if A & M was undefeated
34:21
Speaker 4: right now and Texas struggling offensively?
34:24
Speaker 1: I mean, but we– and I know we talked about
34:27
Speaker 1: this yesterday with the cesspool Billy stuff, Billy cesspool. A &
34:30
Speaker 1: M has lost five of their last eight games. Don't
34:34
Speaker 1: let that wash over you. This is why Elko is
34:36
Speaker 1: catching so much hell. Those wins, real quick, Lance, are
34:40
Speaker 1: Missouri State, Arizona State, and Arkansas. They've beaten some bad
34:44
Speaker 1: football teams. That's the only three wins they've had in
34:46
Speaker 1: their last eight games.
34:48
Speaker 4: I'm not going to go Mike Norvell 2023 to where
34:51
Speaker 4: we are right now, but that is where that is trending.
34:55
Speaker 4: I think Elko is a really good coach still. I
34:58
Speaker 4: never really felt that about Norvell. But you remember the
35:02
Speaker 4: implosion after 2023.
35:03
Speaker 1: Here's the problem for Elko. After the Citadel this weekend,
35:07
Speaker 1: he could finish the season 0-4. I mean, that's on
35:10
Speaker 1: the board. I mean, look at this. At Alabama, at
35:13
Speaker 1: South Carolina, host Tennessee, at Oklahoma, host Texas. I mean,
35:18
Speaker 1: there's a possibility they go 0-5 down the stretch right there.
35:21
Speaker 1: And boy, I don't know what Billy Sispool is going
35:24
Speaker 1: to be sounding like at that point. Poor Notre Dame
35:26
Speaker 1: didn't even know they had a little brother until Indiana
35:29
Speaker 1: showed up a couple of years ago. That's right. And
35:31
Speaker 1: now it's a big battle. I mean, is that the
35:33
Speaker 1: best one-two state punch? Bro, no way. I've got a brother?
35:36
Speaker 1: You're not related to us.
35:37
Speaker 4: It is the best one-two state punch, right?
35:39
Speaker 1: It's impossible to say that, but it is true. Yeah, absolutely.
35:42
Speaker 1: It's not even close right now.
35:44
Speaker 4: I mean, USC, UCLA is pretty good.
35:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're in the mix.
35:47
Speaker 4: BYU, Utah. They play a holy war, but Ole Miss,
35:51
Speaker 4: Mississippi State, pretty good.
35:52
Speaker 1: Yeah, pretty good there. But you're right. It's Indiana and
35:55
Speaker 1: Notre Dame. We just don't think of Notre Dame as
35:57
Speaker 1: an Indiana school.
35:58
Speaker 4: They're a national school.
35:59
Speaker 1: That's the problem.
35:59
Speaker 5: Yeah.
36:00
Speaker 1: Like if you do Indiana, you got to compare them
36:01
Speaker 1: to Purdue, honestly.
36:02
Speaker 5: Yeah.
36:03
Speaker 1: And Purdue's little brother at that point, I guess.
36:05
Speaker 5: Yeah.
36:06
Speaker 1: Anyway, little bro competition. Since we brought up Billy Sesspool,
36:10
Speaker 1: I was blown away by these numbers yesterday, especially with
36:12
Speaker 1: what we do for a living here. Just blown away
36:15
Speaker 1: by these numbers. And I texted you. I don't understand this. Well,
36:20
Speaker 1: I think it is surprising to a lot.
36:22
Speaker 5: Yeah.
36:23
Speaker 1: You're going to need to explain it to them. A
36:24
Speaker 1: lot of people out there are surprised by this. But yesterday,
36:29
Speaker 1: there's a report. Who did the report? I think it
36:33
Speaker 1: was Sportico, wasn't it? Was it Sportico? Yeah, Sportico. They
36:38
Speaker 1: got the tax returns from the 12th Man Foundation, the
36:43
Speaker 1: long-time fundraising arm of Texas A & M. And in
36:49
Speaker 1: the fiscal year of 2025... They paid the Maroon and
36:53
Speaker 1: White LP $ 6. 28 million for external marketing services. Now, I
37:03
Speaker 1: didn't know who Maroon White LP until I was listening
37:06
Speaker 1: to our buddy Pat Smith on jocks driving around yesterday,
37:09
Speaker 1: and he brought this story up. He was blown away
37:11
Speaker 1: at this number, and I was like, it's Billy Lucci's company.
37:15
Speaker 1: Tex Ags is part of Maroon White LP, and Texas
37:19
Speaker 1: A & M, the 12th Man Foundation, which gave 72
37:23
Speaker 1: million dollars to texas a & m last year gave
37:26
Speaker 1: 6.28 million dollars to billy lucci's company in 2025 fiscal
37:31
Speaker 1: year in 2024 they gave him 1.2 million dollars for
37:35
Speaker 1: external marketing services i can't.
37:38
Speaker 4: Explain it you know i would have thought before nil
37:40
Speaker 4: this is a way to launder money to the to
37:43
Speaker 4: the recruits right because when Jimbo paid every single one
37:48
Speaker 4: of them.
37:50
Speaker 1: That's right.
37:50
Speaker 4: That would have made sense then, but this doesn't make
37:54
Speaker 4: a lot of sense, does it?
37:56
Speaker 1: I mean, to me, when I saw that number, it
37:59
Speaker 1: made 100% clear why Mike Elko quickly on Monday next
38:06
Speaker 1: opportunity was like, hey, by the way, Billy and I
38:09
Speaker 1: are really tight. Yeah, we're tight. He does a great job.
38:11
Speaker 4: We're tight.
38:12
Speaker 1: He's apparently helping us so much. that we're paying him
38:15
Speaker 1: $ 6. 28 million. That is more than how many college football
38:19
Speaker 1: coaches make? Probably half or more than half. That's more
38:23
Speaker 1: than Nick Saban made his first year when he came
38:26
Speaker 1: to Tuscaloosa to start the dynasty. Billy Lucci is getting
38:30
Speaker 1: paid $ 6. 28 million today. From Texas A & M.
38:33
Speaker 4: Well, I'm just wondering, what is that money really for?
38:36
Speaker 4: I'm assuming. Because it can't be for positive spin.
38:40
Speaker 1: No, it's external marketing services. So I'm assuming, and our
38:43
Speaker 1: company does some of this, sometimes you see or hear
38:47
Speaker 1: advertising that our company has done, but it doesn't come
38:50
Speaker 1: from the three of us, if that makes sense, right?
38:51
Speaker 1: Like we take an advertiser and you might get an
38:54
Speaker 1: ad online. We've done that. You don't know it came
38:57
Speaker 1: from us. You just thought it popped up because, you know,
39:00
Speaker 1: you'd said it in your phone or whatever. You see
39:01
Speaker 1: what I'm saying? I would imagine that's what that is, Lance.
39:04
Speaker 1: Though that is a hefty budget. That's a hefty budget, man.
39:07
Speaker 1: If they're saying, here's $ 6 million for you to do,
39:10
Speaker 1: you know, online marketing campaigns for us.
39:12
Speaker 5: Yeah.
39:13
Speaker 1: Billy Lucci, by the way, after Elko made the post-game comments,
39:17
Speaker 1: going to show restraint here for now and get back
39:20
Speaker 1: to answering questions. But the head coach losing 27 to 6.
39:23
Speaker 1: Then immediately calling out an incredibly large portion of the
39:26
Speaker 1: loyal but always understandably frustrated fan base. was a wildly unnecessary.
39:31
Speaker 4: Misstep always understandably frustrated fan base.
39:36
Speaker 1: Yes understandably but i mean chip said it on the
39:39
Speaker 1: show yesterday chip brown's like the thing that shocked me
39:41
Speaker 1: the most about that is there's not a more loyal
39:43
Speaker 1: fan base than texas a & m and there's your
39:47
Speaker 1: coach after a loss calling them out yeah That's the
39:50
Speaker 1: most loyal fan base you could find. They have gone
39:51
Speaker 1: to game on top of game on top of game
39:54
Speaker 1: with nothing to show for it. Now, I'm looking. I
39:57
Speaker 1: looked on Twitter real quick just to see if Billy
40:01
Speaker 1: had commented about this story yet, and he has not,
40:04
Speaker 1: at least on Twitter. I don't know if he has
40:06
Speaker 1: anywhere else. I would say that was wise on Billy's
40:08
Speaker 1: part now that I know about this financial arrangement. I
40:12
Speaker 1: want to see if he has to answer this because
40:15
Speaker 1: this wasn't made public. This was somebody reporting. the Sports
40:19
Speaker 1: Business Journal, Sportico, actually going out and doing the research,
40:23
Speaker 1: pulling up tax reports. This isn't something that was readily
40:25
Speaker 1: made available. At some point, somebody's going to be asked
40:28
Speaker 1: the question, hey, what are we paying Maroon and White for?
40:31
Speaker 1: $ 6. 28 million. Here's what's weird.
40:34
Speaker 4: Can you be objective and can you be critical of
40:37
Speaker 4: the head coach? at Texas A & M, if you're
40:40
Speaker 4: Billy Lucci, if you're actually getting paid by them. Because
40:43
Speaker 4: you guys remember the radio station WNSP down in Mobile,
40:47
Speaker 4: and it was Alabama-owned, and they never said a negative
40:50
Speaker 4: word about Alabama through the Shula days, the DuBose days.
40:53
Speaker 1: You can when the boosters that write the checks tell
40:56
Speaker 1: you to do it. You become a mouthpiece for the
40:59
Speaker 1: money people. So we used to always say, God rest
41:03
Speaker 1: his soul, he was a good one. But when Cecil
41:05
Speaker 1: Hurt turned on an Alabama football coach, you knew it
41:07
Speaker 1: was over. Because you knew Cecil had the hard line
41:12
Speaker 1: to the power boosters at Alabama. And when Cecil turned
41:15
Speaker 1: on a guy, that meant the power boosters had turned
41:17
Speaker 1: on a guy.
41:17
Speaker 5: That's right.
41:17
Speaker 1: And they were telling Cecil, this guy ain't going to
41:19
Speaker 1: make it. And Cecil's like, all right. They'd hold Cecil back.
41:23
Speaker 1: And finally, they'd let the hound out. And Cecil was fair,
41:26
Speaker 1: but Cecil was also at the Tuscaloosa News. So Cecil
41:29
Speaker 1: had to be a little bit careful. He couldn't do
41:31
Speaker 1: some of the things AL.com was doing. Or Feinbaum. Or
41:34
Speaker 1: Feinbaum or people like that. And when you saw Cecil
41:36
Speaker 1: turn on an Alabama football coach, it was over for
41:38
Speaker 1: that guy. Absolutely over. The boosters had.
41:41
Speaker 4: Turned on him at that point.
41:42
Speaker 5: Yeah.
41:42
Speaker 1: The guys that were going to sign the check to
41:44
Speaker 1: get him out of there, they had turned on him
41:46
Speaker 1: when Cecil finally wrote the column.
41:48
Speaker 4: Don't think Tuscaloosa News was getting that kind of.
41:50
Speaker 1: No, they weren't. But my point is, your question with
41:53
Speaker 1: Billy Lucci, when does he become critical of Mike Yelko?
41:56
Speaker 1: When the guys that are going to write the check
41:57
Speaker 1: become critical of Mike Yelko. And I would say Billy
41:59
Speaker 1: is very fair, and it's an entertaining platform, Tex-Ax. Probably
42:02
Speaker 1: the best in the business. Him and Kentucky Sports Radio,
42:05
Speaker 1: as far as the team sites, they do it as
42:07
Speaker 1: good as anybody else, and they... They're hard sometimes and fair,
42:11
Speaker 1: and I think they really do a good job. But
42:15
Speaker 1: I would also say that if anyone wants to pay
42:18
Speaker 1: us somewhere between $ 1. 2 million and $ 6. 28 million to work
42:22
Speaker 1: on Alabama or Auburn's external marketing services, You want to
42:26
Speaker 1: give your show number straight out?
42:28
Speaker 4: We got it.
42:29
Speaker 1: We'll fight the battle of how fair we are. Let
42:31
Speaker 1: us worry about that. We'll work on our journalistic integrity.
42:34
Speaker 1: And I'll pull for or against whoever you want me to.
42:38
Speaker 1: I would flat out tell you that we are entertainers,
42:40
Speaker 1: not journalists, and we are for hire. When we come
42:44
Speaker 1: back on Sporting State, we'll get into a bounce-back game.
42:49
Speaker 1: closer to the road that's going to go low road, 7-5,
42:52
Speaker 1: or high road, 11-1. We'll talk about bounce-back games for
42:56
Speaker 1: Texas and Alabama as we move throughout the show. Chris
43:00
Speaker 1: Lowe still to come. And our NFL power rating right
43:03
Speaker 1: here on Sport and State. On the morning shows this morning,
43:08
Speaker 1: Paul Feinbaum out of the ESPN SEC Network, Birmingham famed.
43:15
Speaker 1: said Kalen DeBoer has done, quote, a masterful job winning
43:18
Speaker 1: over Alabama fans. Seems like just a few weeks ago
43:24
Speaker 1: that there were questions from Paul and others on whether
43:28
Speaker 1: or not Kalen DeBoer was going to– I.
43:30
Speaker 4: Still don't feel that.
43:31
Speaker 1: Wasn't people very critical of the way he answered that
43:33
Speaker 1: question at SEC Media Days?
43:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, and people were– not only that, but you're talking
43:40
Speaker 4: about winning the fan base over there. Was controversy this
43:42
Speaker 4: past week because of the comments– On the sideline.
43:45
Speaker 1: Well, I think most of that came from other than
43:47
Speaker 1: Alabama fans. Well, Alabama fans liked the sideline thing, I think.
43:51
Speaker 1: I think they liked him jumping Dijon Lees, you know what,
43:55
Speaker 1: and saying what they were saying at home watching TV.
43:59
Speaker 1: A lot of Sherman Soft people who aren't Alabama fans
44:02
Speaker 1: saw that and like, oh, how do you question number fives?
44:06
Speaker 1: He didn't cost you the game. This cost you the game.
44:08
Speaker 1: This cost you the game.
44:09
Speaker 5: Well.
44:10
Speaker 1: I think a lot of Alabama fans were okay with
44:12
Speaker 1: that moment.
44:13
Speaker 4: Look, the fact of the matter, and we've talked about
44:15
Speaker 4: this a million times, Kaitlin DeBoer is always going to
44:18
Speaker 4: be compared to Nick Saban. He's always going to be
44:21
Speaker 4: attached to him.
44:22
Speaker 1: How would Saban have reacted to that situation?
44:25
Speaker 4: The same way.
44:26
Speaker 1: I'd say probably worse, honestly. I think DeBoer was measured
44:29
Speaker 1: compared to what Saban would have done. The words probably
44:31
Speaker 1: wouldn't have been exactly the same, probably harsher.
44:36
Speaker 4: And I started the documentary last night.
44:37
Speaker 1: You did?
44:38
Speaker 5: Yeah.
44:38
Speaker 1: I watched three. One is the worst episode.
44:40
Speaker 4: I thought it was good, though.
44:42
Speaker 1: It's good, but it is good, but it's the worst one.
44:43
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've watched three, and I kind of wanted to
44:47
Speaker 4: stay up all night and watch all of them.
44:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. I've got three more to go. I'm
44:50
Speaker 1: exactly where you are.
44:51
Speaker 4: Yeah, so good.
44:52
Speaker 1: Not rushing through it. I don't know how many times
44:54
Speaker 1: I'll watch it throughout my life, but I'll watch it
44:56
Speaker 1: multiple times.
44:56
Speaker 4: But I do like the fact that, yeah, Saban probably
44:58
Speaker 4: would have done that to Dijon, but then he probably
45:00
Speaker 4: would have circled back and said, you know.
45:02
Speaker 1: And I'm sure Kalen Abor has, too. Yeah, I'm sure.
45:05
Speaker 1: We talked about that on the next round yesterday. with
45:08
Speaker 1: what HaHa Clinton Dix, a former Nick Saban Alabama great,
45:12
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45:15
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Speaker 4: All right.
46:26
Speaker 1: NFL week number six coming up in the NFL.
46:30
Speaker 5: Yep.
46:31
Speaker 1: Always one behind where we are in the college football world.
46:34
Speaker 1: Forrester is about to pop up our weekly NFL power
46:37
Speaker 1: ratings from each of us. We give you the top
46:39
Speaker 1: five and the bottom five. Let's see it, Forrester. I've
46:43
Speaker 1: got the 49ers. You've got the 49ers. All God's children
46:47
Speaker 1: have the 49ers at the top. Just real quickly, did
46:51
Speaker 1: anyone expect the 49ers to be there and unanimously?
46:54
Speaker 7: No.
46:55
Speaker 1: This deep into the season? No, I thought it would
46:56
Speaker 1: be the Rams at this point, to be honest with you.
46:58
Speaker 1: I'm not just trying to poke Lance.
47:00
Speaker 4: I've had the 49ers number one since the beginning.
47:02
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in the offseason, if I had told you
47:06
Speaker 1: there's one team that's our consensus number one after five weeks.
47:10
Speaker 1: If we'd done a power ranking or rating before the
47:13
Speaker 1: start of the season, you would not have had the
47:14
Speaker 1: 49ers number one. If we'd have done it before game one.
47:18
Speaker 4: No, but after I saw game one.
47:20
Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, after game one.
47:21
Speaker 4: I mean, the question has always been, can they stay healthy?
47:24
Speaker 1: Guess what?
47:24
Speaker 4: They've got 14 guys on IR right now. That is
47:27
Speaker 4: by far the most in the National Football League. So,
47:31
Speaker 4: you know, they continue to drop like flies. With that said,
47:34
Speaker 4: they are by far the best team.
47:35
Speaker 1: I go 49ers, Bills, Chiefs, Jaguars, Seahawks in the top.
47:42
Speaker 1: In my bottom is the Chargers, Saints, Cardinals, Dolphins, and Titans. Lance,
47:47
Speaker 1: give me your top five and bottom five.
47:49
Speaker 4: Yeah, 49ers, Bills, Seahawks, even with the second loss they've absorbed,
47:53
Speaker 4: I still think they're the third best team. The Jaguars,
47:56
Speaker 4: I've had them at four for a few weeks now,
47:59
Speaker 4: and I'm still not sold on the Chiefs, but they're undefeated.
48:02
Speaker 4: They're one of three undefeateds, along with San Francisco and Minnesota,
48:06
Speaker 4: but I couldn't pull the trigger on Minnesota.
48:08
Speaker 1: I dropped the Jags out and moved the Ravens in
48:12
Speaker 1: at number five, and it was close, but I mean,
48:13
Speaker 1: I kind of look at that Jags game like they
48:17
Speaker 1: Really should have lost that game.
48:18
Speaker 4: I know. It's a London game.
48:19
Speaker 5: I know.
48:20
Speaker 1: It's weird. You're right. You're right. And the Ravens with
48:22
Speaker 1: a backup quarterback, and I know it was just the Falcons. Sorry, Scott.
48:25
Speaker 1: I know it was just the Falcons on Sunday night,
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Speaker 1: but the backup quarterback had to go in there and win.
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Speaker 1: That Ravens team, I thought, showed a lot. So I
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Speaker 1: moved them into number five. And the bottom for you guys,
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Speaker 1: I go Chargers, Saints, Cardinals, Dolphins, Titans, L.T.
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Speaker 4: Chargers.
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Speaker 1: Buccaneers.
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Speaker 4: Buccaneers. Commanders, Dolphins, Titans.
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Speaker 1: Let me thank all of you for moving the Titans
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Speaker 1: to dead last. Move the Dolphins up. We are improving.
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Speaker 1: I had to put the Commanders in there just because
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Speaker 1: of the way they botched the end of that game.
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Speaker 1: You're a bottom five team if you can't manage the
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Speaker 1: end of the game better than that.
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Speaker 4: Oh, did you guys see Micah Parsons?
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Speaker 1: I did.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, podcast went after Jaden Daniels. Said you cannot pay
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Speaker 4: this guy $ 60 million.
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Speaker 1: I mean, everybody blames Dan Quinn, and they should. He's
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Speaker 1: the head coach, but... Jim, if you're an NFL quarterback,
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Speaker 1: you can't throw it out of bounds. Yeah, throw it
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Speaker 1: out of bounds or clock it. Anything but what he did.
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Speaker 4: I mean, it is on both of them, no doubt.
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Speaker 1: It's on both of them.
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Speaker 4: But I'm just shocked that Micah Parsons called him out.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I am too. But if you're going to be
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Speaker 1: that highly paid of a quarterback, and I guess he's
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Speaker 1: still on his rookie deal technically. He is. He's your
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Speaker 1: franchise quarterback.
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Speaker 4: That's what he's saying. How can you extend this guy
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Speaker 4: when it comes up and pay him what that number
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Speaker 4: is probably going to be, about $ 60 million per year
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Speaker 4: with decisions like that?
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Speaker 1: Well, I've only gone back to watch it. I didn't
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Speaker 1: see it live when it happened. Once you take the snap,
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Speaker 1: what were they trying to do other than run more
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Speaker 1: time off? Because it wasn't a snap clock play. They
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Speaker 1: didn't call that. They called a play.
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Speaker 4: They called a play, and he actually was looking to
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Speaker 4: throw it, it looked like, for the first millisecond.
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Speaker 1: So at that point, you can't clock it. No, once
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Speaker 1: you're out from under center, well, he could— Throw it
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Speaker 1: at the feet of a receiver.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but he had plenty of time to throw it
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Speaker 4: out of bounds.
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Speaker 1: Yeah. He would need to throw it towards a receiver
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Speaker 1: out of bounds. Or get outside the pocket and throw
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Speaker 1: it past the line of scrimmage. One of those two things.
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Speaker 4: Or even grounding, as bad as the penalty would be,
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Speaker 4: I guess there might be a runoff.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it would stop the running clock, the grounding, so
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Speaker 1: you'd have had the 10-second runoff.
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Speaker 4: Again, they didn't need to be running clocked.
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Speaker 1: And for those that wonder why they were running clocked,
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Speaker 1: I guess the thought behind that is in case you
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Speaker 1: miss the field goal, you don't leave time on the
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Speaker 1: clock for the Giants to also drive and try a
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Speaker 1: field goal.
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Speaker 5: So.
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Speaker 1: Running the clock down, but they just ran so much
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Speaker 1: time off of it and didn't run that play is
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Speaker 1: why it looked so bad. You had all kinds of time.
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Speaker 1: You don't always overthink the worst possible scenario, in my opinion.
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Speaker 1: It's okay to think about that. You don't overthink the
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Speaker 1: worst possible scenario, which is, I need to run down
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Speaker 1: all the time in case we miss the kill.
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Speaker 4: That shouldn't really be the mindset. The situational awareness, the
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Speaker 4: clock management from Dan Quinn, the situational awareness from Jaden Daniels,
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Speaker 4: both awful.
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Speaker 1: But it's more on Quinn. You can do what they
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Speaker 1: did if you do it with 20 seconds to go
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Speaker 1: because then you can fire drill. It's not ideal, but
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Speaker 1: if that's the way you want to do it, you
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Speaker 1: can fire drill the kick team out there and kick
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Speaker 1: the field goal. A lot of people, Jim, are critical
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Speaker 1: saying that Dan Quinn, that this is the helmet communication thing,
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Speaker 1: and the communication has gotten so complex that coaches have
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Speaker 1: just forgotten to say, hey, just throw the ball out
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Speaker 1: of bounds. Yeah. Or just, hey, clock it here. Clock it, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Clock it here. Everybody's got a code word for everything.
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Speaker 1: Chris Lowe is up next with us. We talked to
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Speaker 1: Chris about third Saturday in October. There's a special time,
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Speaker 1: Alabama at Tennessee, two nationally ranked teams and everything else
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Speaker 1: going on in college football. That when we come back
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Speaker 1: on the next round presented by Hard Rock Bet on
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Speaker 1: Sporting State.