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The Covid Episode: Robert Durst and The Roanoke Colony · When Killers Get Caught with Brittany Ransom

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  Hey, everybody. It's your color country.
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  My name is Brittany. Ransom money is Brian Joiner,
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  and welcome to a special covid episode when Killers get caught.
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  So, if you are new here, this is not at all how we normally do
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  things, but I got covid. And I have been asleep for like
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  10 days. It's been a long, a long covid,
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  and We're going to split this up into me doing a slightly smaller
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  session because I cannot talk for very long.
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  And Brian has taken up the mantle today to do a slightly
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  longer session. But in general, when Killers,
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  Meant to give you a little light snack, as we discussed a True
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  Crime Story that resonated with us in the world, this week, then
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  I would normally do a longer Deep dive.
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  Into a Killers childhood life methodology and how they got
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  caught and Brian finishes us off with a paranormal palate
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  That is pretty big that happened in the world and then a much
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  And listen, Brian works really hard to kind of pick up the
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  So, again, thank you so much for supporting us and if you are
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  interested in any marriage, it's when Killers get caught dot
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  shop, so my inspiration for this week was our this week in True
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  Crime segment because if you're listening to this right now, A
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  certain suspected serial killer is dead and his name is Robert
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  Durst a very wealthy heir to a New York City.
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  Conglomerate. I don't even know what that had
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  to describe it other than like this is big, big money.
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  And he I mean, he's been in trouble since the 80s and a lot
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  of people believe that he should have been put in prison for a
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  very long time but he was able to avoid it.
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  I'm going to try and give you a little bit of a short snapshot
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  of who he was his born in 1943, he kind of carved out for
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  himself a reputation. Of being attached to less than
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  Savory characters, which isn't all that uncommon in New York,
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  big, money, 40s, 50s 60s. I mean, we're talking about the
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  era when the mafia was a really big deal.
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  I mean, it was still a thing in 1982, His Wife disappeared and
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  then in 2000, his friend. Susan Berman.
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  Who was his Alibi for Kathleen's disappearance?
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  Died. And then a year later when he
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  was in Texas for some bizarre reason, he said he accidentally
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  killed his next door neighbor and then dismember the body.
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  How do you accidentally do the head?
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  He said, he accidentally shot him and then rather than tell
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  people he proceeded to dismember the body.
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  Oh. Okay.
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  Into more of those details in a little bit so he got acquitted
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  of that murder. And then in 2015, HBO the
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  documentary called the Jinx, the life, and death of Robert Durst.
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  And in that documentary he admitted to killing everybody.
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  Okay? I don't know if he thought that
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  like there was a time period that have passed or something,
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  all right. Yeah but then he went to jail
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  for Susan Berman's murder and then literally October.
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  Yeah, they got him for Kathleen but we're gonna we're not we're
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  not there yet. So early life.
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  Like I said, April 12 1943, New York City Bernice and Seymour
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  Durst. His grandfather was from Austria
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  and 19 and came here in 1902. The guy had nothing and like
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  real. Like honestly his grandfather is
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  the actual, like American Dream came here with nothing pulled
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  himself up by his bootstraps. He actually did that by 1915.
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  The grandfather had saved up enough. if money to buy a
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  property, And so then in 1927, he created the Durst
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  organization Incorporated and that became this massive existed
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  Mega real estate company. That is just got a lot of money.
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  I wouldn't try and explain the the breadth of this they're
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  worth 8.1 billion dollars. Billion billion dollars.
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  Yeah. So Robert's father Seymour
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  carried on the business after his dad died in 1950.
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  Their mom fell from a roof of her home and die and that was
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  the first like tragedy and Roberts life.
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  Now newspaper says that she was on medication that she was
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  taking for asthma and she got disoriented and fell off the
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  roof but obviously there's lots of suspicions there.
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  Was it suicide or was it murder? You don't know.
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  He graduated from Scarsdale High School moved to Pennsylvania,
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  just down the road and went to Lehigh University.
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  Hey yeah, business and economics and so with that degree, 1965 he
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  heads West to go become a doctor at UCLA, he meets his friend,
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  Susan, Berman. She's the daughter of a Las
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  Vegas mobster and that would begin his connection to unsavory
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  characters. He drops out of UCLA.
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  Would you say that was going to say?
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  Like I don't know how people can get connected with these kinds
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  of people but somehow they find friends in real life.
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  I think when you are dealing with, like high volumes of
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  Unnie. It's an inevitable crossover.
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  Whether your money is legit or not.
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  They are also moving High quantities of money, true.
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  And then there becomes probably comment like you go to clubs
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  together. Things like that they're becomes
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  conversations of, well, I have a lot of money, a new blood money,
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  can we work together and make more money?
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  Yeah, you know because the thing is if somebody who is well a
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  perfect example would be the art World in a least, the US, I
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  don't know about globally, but I know in the US the fine art
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  community is a way that people who are doing unsavory things
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  absolutely launder money. They take money that they have
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  gotten through legal means they decide that a particular artist
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  is the new, you know, Muse the on G do and they buy this kids
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  like they might buy. This person's art for like five
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  million dollars, ten million dollars, crazy amounts of money.
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  And really what they're doing is now it's a legal, it's legally
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  in the system, that's a legal purchase.
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  And then it gets swapped between people sometimes between the
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  same people back and forth. Hmm.
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  Interesting. It's all sorts of sorted
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  horrible thing. That's why honestly, I believe
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  there's so much crime in the art industry to.
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  It's not just because these Pieces cost so much money.
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  I think it's because there's so many people involved in it.
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  Who are on the criminal side because there's so much art
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  being stolen. All over the world all the time
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  but that's another day. I'm a big fan of heist so I know
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  too much about this anyway, remember I told you he was
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  studying to be a doctor and UCLA drops out in 1969, kind of right
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  before he was going to be done. But he went back to New York, he
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  met, who he would Mary Kathleen, McCormick, she was a dental
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  hygienist 1971, they move in, get married in 73.
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  Seems happy. Everything's doing great except
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  for the fact that Durst is possessive and abusive.
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  And then she just disappears in 82.
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  He's questioned police. Do their best, and it's just
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  gone. 1990 he officially gets a divorce moves in with a new
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  girlfriend. That becomes a second wife.
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  He keeps working for a family business, totally.
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  Just He becomes kind of a jerk to his family and he his
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  siblings don't want to talk to him anymore.
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  So he spends most of the 90s just kind of like Around
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  America. They're not quite sure what he's
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  doing. Is it legal?
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  Probably not. And he kind of reappears in 95
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  when his dad dies in 2000. Westchester County, New York,
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  district attorney bring up Kathleen's disappearance ago and
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  they intended to interview. A bunch of different people who
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  were a part of it and obviously, Susan Berman was his alibi.
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  Susan, same here. Susan's found shot dead in her
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  home in LA. While this is going on, Robert
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  Durst is in Texas. Pretending to be a mute woman.
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  Trying to hide. The jet.
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  He's like trying to be like an old lady. the only problem is,
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  he gets himself back in the spotlight because He's the his
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  neighbor like literally crossed the hall from him and apartment
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  complex is shot and then chopped up and dumped in a fat and a
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  nearby Bay near Galveston. And he's obviously the number
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  one suspect because he's as weirdo across the hall from him.
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  So it takes like a while to find him and bring him in and 2003.
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  He testifies that the to, he shot him when the two were
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  struggling for control over a gun.
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  And I distinctly, remember this case, because I remember being
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  in high school and I remember my teacher, telling me that Texas
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  was just different And he said that these two old guys had
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  fought over gun. One of them had gotten shot.
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  The other guy, had this headed, chopped him up and that was this
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  case. He gets acquitted though.
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  He said he was in a panic. I don't buy that but okay.
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  Well after he's he go, he goes to jail for like a much smaller
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  offense, you know, nothing important, he gets released and
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  he sells his whole stake in the family business, which is a
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  pretty big deal. But then again, like I said, his
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  family really wasn't vibing with him at that point.
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  Our he got like some petty crimes.
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  I mean, one of my favorite ones was that, let's see, 2014.
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  He was in a drugstore in CVS and he peed on a rack of candy.
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  Another time he was in Pennsylvania at a Wegmans and he
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  stole a sandwich when there was thirty-seven thousand dollars in
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  his car in cash. Why, why don't you just use the
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  money, okay? Okay, so either way, so, you
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  know, since your crime is what it is director, Andrew jarecki
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  was just like this is a good story.
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  This guy, why? Old.
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  So he directs and co-writes the Jinx, the life, and death of
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  Robert Durst, six parts, loads of interviews with everybody who
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  ever knew him. And of course he doesn't
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  interview in that one where he says I killed them all.
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  I wrote it down. It was like the exact quote.
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  It was wild students told, like total nut?
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  He seems like it. He looks like it.
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  Yeah, yeah, I feel it. Yeah, ha ha.
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  He looks like someone who did not associate with his family at
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  all. He's like the grumpy old Miser.
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  Well with that. With some of the evidence that
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  shown in the Jinx, and the fact that he did early says, like all
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  of them, kill them all. The authorities are like,
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  alright, we are looking back at this again.
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  March 14th 2015, right before the last episode because it was
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  like a six-week airing right before the last episode was
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  released. He gets arrested in New Orleans
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  for killing Berman. They also charged him with
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  possessing a firearm because he doesn't have a license to do
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  that and then we see I'm not. He also got hit with a wrongful
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  death lawsuit, by his first wife's family, who to this day
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  are like, They never let up about finding him remember 2016.
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  He appears in Los Angeles Court to defend themselves against
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  killing Kathy Berman and he says, like I want to say here.
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  Now, I am not guilty. They have a bunch of hearings It
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  gets postponed all the way to April of 2018. 30.
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  And finally in 2017, they officially declare Kathleen
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  Durst at. Her family ramps, it up into
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  high gear. They file even filing a lawsuit
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  against his second wife. Deborah, they fell another
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  lawsuit requiring like documents that Frederick's.
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  Had to be released like, all sorts of stuff.
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  In fact, they make a movie about her on Lifetime called The Lost
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  wife of Robert Durst that comes out, November 2017.
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  And that's we, there's a book called The Deadly Secret.
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  The strange disappearance of Kathie Durst. 2002.
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  Wild enough Katharine. McPhee place, his wife. so, all
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  of this just ramps up to the fact that Gosh, sorry.
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  I have like so many things over. Now, you're good.
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  So, he gets convicted of Kathy and she go to prison. and they
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  so he's in prison and and L.a. now but New York is like, we're
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  gonna push this. So really nothing happens in
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  regards to him. He's in jail.
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  Hmm. And then he gets arrested for
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  cat for his Kathleen, Durst death.
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  And they bring them over New York and like the pictures are
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  insane here. Like he's wearing a mask in a
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  wheelchair. He's 77 years old at this point.
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  Like, New York did not care. They wanted this man.
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  He was looking rough. Yeah, yeah, back to got covid.
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  Right after he was convicted of Kathleen's death.
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  On October. look at over twenty, second, twenty Twenty-One and He
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  pretty much had a bad time from that point on a lot of health
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  issues, but eventually they got him for everything, the LA trial
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  in March of 2024 pathy. Berman and then owner, Kathy
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  Berman, sorry, Cathy is Durst for Berman and like I said,
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  Kathleen's family. Finally got some sort of I did.
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  Yeah, exact over 19. 20 21. He finally.
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  Finally, I went down for feeling his first wife, but he got covid
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  right after and he was just pretty much struggling non-stop
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  after that he's hospitalized. He was sentenced to life in
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  prison for killing his wife. And according to his attorney
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  chip Louis, he was being transported to a hospital to
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  undergo testing. When he went into cardiac
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  arrest. On January. 10th was like 22.
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  He's like yesterday. Oh God.
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  He died yesterday. 70 years old. So he didn't get, I guess you
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  didn't say he was in prison that long, but there was some level
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  of Justice, you know. I'm not a wild.
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  Yeah, it's a while. I get a whole lobster, there's
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  even more weird stuff like all the petty crimes that he was
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  doing even though he had all this.
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  Yeah. I just love, I just love that.
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  I'm like, really, he was in a Wegmans like you just.
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  Yeah, like you just did all this stuff for what just for fun or
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  something. And the thing was he was wanted
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  at that point. So he did not give a fuck.
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  Yeah, like fuck it. That was in like, I'm in 2001.
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  I would have been like, just going in high school.
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  Yeah. And like when I say, I mean, it
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  was Lehigh. Valley was a Bethlehem Wegmans.
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  Oh damn. Okay.
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  Like real the app work away and like, what a weird situation but
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  you know, I guess everybody gets their final, uh, Just Desserts.
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  Yeah, and yeah so I'm happy that her family got some semblance of
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  Justice, you know, and the end and I listen as someone who has
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  covid right now, I know he wasn't having a good time.
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  We at least got his last couple of months were tough.
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  They put him on a ventilator a couple of times oof, so, I know
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  he was feeling bad. At least we could say that.
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  that's all I got for you short, very truncated, look into Robert
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  durst's life and death. Okay, very good, very good.
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  Okay. What is on the is it paranormal
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  is a Cryptid. What we do today?
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  It's neither. Oh, you guys are getting a
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  history lesson today, sorry. Okay.
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  Well actually it's a little. Okay, it's strange.
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  It's a strange story. That's why as y la like paranoid
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  people. They talk about it a lot like
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  everybody talks about a lot. So, hmm.
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  Consider, if you will, you are a man, you're a settlor from
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  England in charge of one of the first attempt at settlements.
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  In the Americas. You leave your settlement to go
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  back to England for supplies, but circumstances didn't allow
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  for you to return about three years later when you return,
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  your family and friends are missing the colonies desert it.
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  And the only sign of a clue is Is etched into a nearby tree
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  reading Crow. Oh, yeah, cr0, this is one of
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  the biggest unsolved. Things this yet and full word
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  Croatoan is written on a wooden stake in front of the colony.
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  You never hear from your family again, and disappearance of your
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  Colony will be one of America's oldest Unsolved Mysteries.
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  This is the Lost Colony of Roanoke.
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  So yeah, this I guess it is going to be like a history
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  lesson for you guys, but it's like, it's a mystery.
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  It's like one of the biggest mysteries, like no one knows,
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  what the hell happened here. I mean, they're from what I
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  understand, people don't even know what color.
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  Well, we get into that. Yeah.
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  So Croatoan is actually one of the islands that At where that's
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  it was by Roanoke Island. So yeah.
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  Yeah, they were. This is like in history books.
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  The Lost column? Yeah, yeah.
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  So I'm sorry. I feel bad for dude, here.
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  Illegitimate like was gone for a while.
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  Brittany. We're going to get into his his
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  struggle because all right. This would be an struggle that
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  you get back to his people. All right.
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  Let's do it. History of the Lost Colony of
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  Roanoke. Okay, so this man, his name was
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  John White, of course. But before we get into John
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  White's story well the whitest white name you could ever get
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  before going to John White's, Roanoke story.
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  Had to begin with the very first Roanoke colony.
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  That was attempted. So this is Hope.
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  Yes. So it's the same Colony, but
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  it's there was like a first attempt at making this colony
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  and then later on, like, I think a year or so later, a second
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  attempt was made to re-establish it ouchies.
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  Yeah, yeah let me know in the pilgrims.
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  Yeah, so it's just the second attempt wasn't even supposed to
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  be at Roanoke Island is supposed to be along the Chesapeake Bay.
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  That's a nice area. Yeah, because I'll get into that
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  horse. Yeah, but yeah, the Second Step.
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  Wasn't he supposed to be Roanoke Island and circumstances made
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  them end up at Roanoke Island? Which I will talk about that
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  too. Which is fucking insane.
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  Okay, so this whole thing this whole like I guess establishing
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  like a colony in the Americas was part of Sir Walter Raley's
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  attempt to make the first like English settlement in the North.
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  Erica. I mean he was successful.
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  Do we have a Raleigh North Carolina?
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  Right. Yeah.
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  So either way, I know there's City down there named after that
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  dude. Like there's there's a place.
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  Oh goodness, I'm helping jump ahead but there's a place called
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  well that was supposed to be named the City of Raleigh that
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  John White was supposed to establish on his way to on his
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  way back to the Americas. But I didn't.
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  Well, he wasn't able to circumstances, do not allow them
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  to do that. Well, um, failure.
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  This is like this this whole thing I want to tell you right
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  now is just to leave it to the good part, okay.
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  So this all begins in 1853 where does idea is just, you know,
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  established, you know, John, I'm not John Walter Reilly, he's
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  like, okay, this is what we're going to do.
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  But the Colony of Roanoke wasn't officially found it until like
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  1585. So and 1584 two ships and make
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  their way to Rhode Island, which is located inside the Outer
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  Banks. So if you're like from Virginia
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  and Virginia area, Outer Banks, just like a group of islands.
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  It's like this that's a string of Border Islands.
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  I'm not sure there for vacation. Yes, yes.
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  When they arise are greeted by the indigenous, people of the,
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  you know, the island and, you know, those are all friendly,
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  yukking it up and whatnot. So these two ships were there to
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  scout out the area for colonies to build, of course.
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  And they spent about a month there and returned to England
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  then. So this, yeah, this soda two
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  ships that were just sent there. They were just like a scouting.
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  On a scouting Mission. Just yeah, just to get
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  information about the area. So these people and take their
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  land, I don't think that was there.
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  That was their plan as of right now.
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  I mean yeah. So who's in charge of this?
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  Of course, Sir Walter Reilly. He wasn't night it until he
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  returned. So like during this Exodus
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  scouting Mission, he was just you know Walter Reilly and then
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  he was knighted when they returned back to England.
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  Good Deeds of finding stuff for finding stuff.
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  Yeah, you know, he goes to the Queen, Elizabeth the First and
• 29:00
  he's all like, you know, I got this this bomb a spot for us
• 29:03
  like the planner Our first like a feet in this cutting his
• 29:06
  country, right? And she's like, I bet.
• 29:09
  So what happens is they heat, Riley.
• 29:16
  He plan on making like a settlement like a colony.
• 29:19
  And like the outer banks are somewhere by the Outer Banks,
• 29:22
  like one of the islands inside the Outer Banks, because of, I
• 29:26
  guess, a strategic strategic type of military thing And I'm
• 29:35
  not trying to get too into it because I don't really
• 29:38
  understand it. But apparently, we're Roanoke
• 29:41
  Island is inside the outer side to Outer Banks.
• 29:44
  It's it's like there's easy passage to like the sea and then
• 29:51
  I guess if like Spanish ships were to like sale by the outer
• 29:55
  banks by Roanoke Island, they'd be able to like Ambush them from
• 30:01
  inside the Outer Banks. So Sir Walter Reilly is like, I
• 30:07
  want this area we're going to have to re like we had to set up
• 30:09
  something here so we can like if Spanish or is the Spanish are
• 30:13
  trying to like make your way to England will be able to spot
• 30:17
  them from like this area right here.
• 30:19
  So, Yeah, and they decide to name this area Virginia because
• 30:31
  the queen was a virgin apparently, but so was, I was
• 30:39
  like what I'm all about. Yeah, when I wrote this, when I
• 30:47
  wrote this down, I was like You, but I'm still people are still
• 30:53
  skeptical. I'm sorry.
• 31:01
  Anyway, boom. Roasted anyway.
• 31:11
  So if we have seven, okay, go ahead like the Virgin Queen.
• 31:17
  Yes, yes. I'm trying to remember why
• 31:21
  though. But why was she the Virgin
• 31:23
  Queen? I don't know that.
• 31:25
  It looks really true that it just make, did you?
• 31:29
  Oh oh oh oh she never got married.
• 31:32
  Oh, so she became Queen and she never took a husband.
• 31:36
  Well, listen, nobody was asking about what was going on in the
• 31:39
  Queen of England. But as far as the people were
• 31:43
  concerned, since she never formally got married, she was a
• 31:48
  virgin forever. Okay?
• 31:52
  Okay, whatever. They say, whatever.
• 31:57
  Whatever, I'm not here to judge, I did not Samuel judge.
• 32:07
  I, you know what? Oh god.
• 32:11
  Mmm. Okay.
• 32:12
  Anyway. So Fleet of seven ships makes
• 32:18
  her way from England in 1585, So they had enough Provisions to
• 32:25
  last at least a year. So the ships were loaded with
• 32:30
  about 600 men, not sure how it is now, but the Waters of the
• 32:35
  Outer Banks, we're pretty bad. So choppy is yeah.
• 32:40
  Okay. So it's still terrible.
• 32:44
  Even what's up? I feel like most of the Atlantic
• 32:53
  Ocean. Like, I don't know, anywhere,
• 33:05
  really? It's California.
• 33:07
  Have like nice gentle beaches because I've never known any my
• 33:12
  life. Ya know what Jerry that will
• 33:15
  wear South Carolina, Virginia. What are called?
• 33:22
  Yeah, it's still fun. But like you you feel the pull
• 33:25
  when you're in the water it like it's pulling you down oh you're
• 33:29
  not down but like pulling you down stream.
• 33:32
  Yeah is definitely trying to get you home.
• 33:37
  So as soon as the flagship its name the tiger, it's about sort
• 33:43
  of tiger is about to pass through.
• 33:46
  You know that the Outer Banks hits the Shoal And for anyway,
• 33:52
  doesn't know what a show is. It's like a submerged see Bank
• 33:55
  in shallow water. So they hit like this.
• 33:58
  This and it's a sandbank not to see make my bad this typo.
• 34:02
  It's a sandbank. So as soon as it hits like this,
• 34:06
  they hit like the shell. Yeah.
• 34:08
  Of the continent. Yeah.
• 34:11
  Yes. And the whole of the ship is
• 34:16
  ruptured and this is the flagship that is hit.
• 34:20
  So, all those are Provisions, are on his flagship.
• 34:27
  Most of the provisions are ruined.
• 34:31
  They're spoiled thanks to the seawater.
• 34:35
  So yeah, so they couldn't save all the revisions at all.
• 34:40
  Like they like most of their stuff was gone in.
• 34:44
  The flagship was almost destroyed.
• 34:46
  They had like the flagship had to sit there for repairs for a
• 34:49
  while this but so what their food gone?
• 34:55
  This of course, wasn't going to be enough for For about 600 men
• 35:00
  to live off for about a year. So yeah, that's the it's it was
• 35:06
  a lot of people. So they reduced their numbers to
• 35:10
  about 100 men. And this one, these 100 men
• 35:15
  would stay behind and they would be governed by certain not sir.
• 35:24
  A man named Ralph Lee Ralph Lane, God, can't talk and they
• 35:31
  were only supposed to say they were only supposed to, like, be
• 35:34
  waiting there for like, a couple months because there was
• 35:37
  supposed to be a Supply ship, that was supposed to come like a
• 35:42
  couple months later. Yeah, we'll get into that later.
• 35:50
  Okay. Yeah.
• 35:53
  So yeah, there's there's, there's supposed to be Supply
• 35:57
  ship. So they get to Roanoke Island
• 36:01
  and they begin building this colony And they, you know, they
• 36:10
  got the judges in his people's permission to like build his
• 36:15
  colony in this area. I believe.
• 36:22
  I'm not going to say it right, but it's cecal 10.
• 36:27
  Just like, oh, tens, SEC otan. Yeah.
• 36:38
  Yeah, I know, they're Algonquin. But yes, yes they are.
• 36:45
  So yeah, they got their approval.
• 36:47
  So this is like that was like the main colony of the rain I
• 36:51
  guess tribe on Roanoke. So Of course, they ran out of
• 36:58
  supplies and they had to rely on the psycho attends.
• 37:04
  Generosity bless your heart, that you don't do, you have to
• 37:08
  know all the other villages in that area.
• 37:10
  I there's only like one other one, but that's about it, okay?
• 37:17
  Cuz there's a couple of other indigenous tribes in that area
• 37:20
  that are not yet. Know, Chesapeake, is also
• 37:24
  another one. I mean, We saw the name.
• 37:27
  There's a couple other than our real intense.
• 37:30
  He had early 45. I saw it.
• 37:32
  I was like, I'm not reading those it because I'm not gonna
• 37:36
  be able to pronounce those a quagga stock.
• 37:40
  Probably looks like, what the hell?
• 37:57
  But you know, they didn't have much to spare to these these
• 38:01
  colonists either because they had their own people to feed.
• 38:06
  So I'm like, we know what it's like on the East Coast.
• 38:08
  These people. Don't.
• 38:10
  Yeah, exactly. So, a lot of the English men
• 38:16
  that came, you know, with this. The ships and they heard Tales
• 38:23
  of like gold and copper and area.
• 38:26
  So so that so they're there to, you know, do some exploring.
• 38:34
  They were also you know, doing research on the indigenous
• 38:38
  tribes as well. This was until something strange
• 38:43
  started to happen. Now stop me if you've heard this
• 38:48
  one before, okay? Okay every time the English word
• 38:54
  visit a village, a lot of the editions people started getting
• 38:59
  sick and dying just falling dead.
• 39:04
  Yeah, at this time, the people of the village, didn't know of
• 39:14
  air borne illnesses. Mrs. So they thought they knew
• 39:18
  of their own illnesses. Just yeah.
• 39:21
  When you travel now exactly prepared, be ready to get very
• 39:26
  sick. Yeah.
• 39:27
  They didn't they didn't know I guess English don't assist.
• 39:34
  So they thought the English were basically killing him from like
• 39:38
  a distance with like some type of magic.
• 39:43
  Yeah. This, of course.
• 39:46
  I mean, it's close its close. They were close.
• 39:50
  Yes, of course. It was from a distance.
• 39:53
  Yeah. If it was some type of, I mean,
• 39:57
  the same thing that we're killing the English too.
• 39:59
  Yeah. And we're talking about, you
• 40:01
  know, like the Trail of Tears giving people swap off think
• 40:06
  like smallpox blankets no no they didn't have them.
• 40:10
  Like the English didn't have the medicine to take care of
• 40:13
  themselves so they were also dying from these days.
• 40:16
  Yeah, it's not like they weren't doing it on purpose.
• 40:19
  Not this time, not this time. No, they definitely realize how
• 40:24
  to weaponize European illnesses against indigenous people but at
• 40:29
  this point in history this is just pure old ignorance.
• 40:33
  Yep. And not.
• 40:34
  Using that, when you have two different ecosystems,
• 40:38
  interacting the British, you're gonna take on illnesses, they've
• 40:43
  never had before, and so we're second to try it.
• 40:48
  You know. But no.
• 40:50
  Absolutely. I would have been like nah.
• 40:52
  Nah, nah. Y'all can't come around here.
• 40:53
  No more. So this of course was the spread
• 40:58
  of an epidemic brought on by like we said, the English It was
• 41:04
  either it was either smallpox or the flu that was reading.
• 41:12
  Yeah, yeah. So here's a mr.
• 41:16
  Parker Okay, so One of the one of the leaders, his name was
• 41:28
  when Gana, when Gina, when the Gana, lagina, whatever.
• 41:33
  So he gets really sick, right? And as people, they, of course,
• 41:37
  they can't treat him because they don't know what the hell
• 41:39
  this is. So, you know, he asked to
• 41:43
  English to pray for him. Lady, come and pray for him and
• 41:48
  he recovers Yay. Yeah, yeah, right.
• 41:53
  So he goes he's like he goes like your parent, your prayers.
• 41:59
  They healed me. How about you English?
• 42:02
  Men, go to the other tribes and other people like the other
• 42:07
  Villages around here. That are affected with this
• 42:12
  illness and go praise are as well this of course did not
• 42:22
  work. It actually kind of like
• 42:24
  exacerbated his situation causing the illness has spread
• 42:28
  even more killing weapon. They created a super spreader.
• 42:36
  Thank you, super spreader event unintentionally.
• 42:40
  Hmm, yes, he did. I also the Harvest wasn't faring
• 42:48
  very well. I want to say, due to the
• 42:52
  epidemic that was going on right there, which meant very little
• 42:58
  food to be like to share. so at this time, When im going to say
• 43:08
  when Jenna and that's his name, that's his name for now, when
• 43:12
  Jenna whatever and in Lane, they weren't really seeing eye to eye
• 43:18
  at this point. Both were like kind of
• 43:22
  suspicious of the others. And like, just, I was so I got
• 43:28
  two sources from this one from Wikipedia.
• 43:30
  The other one will from a YouTuber I will I will look his
• 43:34
  name up, I forget what it is, but I read I do. look at it and
• 43:37
  so, two different conflicting things, but it kind of like It's
• 43:42
  kind of like a common theme in it.
• 43:43
  So it seems like at this time when Jenna, he was like he was
• 43:52
  tired of like the English and stuff like that.
• 43:55
  He was like all right, you know what, we don't have enough food
• 43:58
  for you guys. We try to take care of our own
• 44:00
  people. Like we had this illness that's
• 44:01
  going on, everybody's dying. Like we got to take care of our
• 44:04
  own right now. and, so I guess at this time Lane was like okay
• 44:16
  well I'm going to go look for other Provisions you know, other
• 44:22
  Elsewhere. So that would be before they
• 44:27
  attacked the colony. Because I remember that
• 44:29
  yesterday. Yes, yes, this is before gay.
• 44:33
  Like I remember that part. That was, we're just gonna steal
• 44:37
  it now part of History. Yeah.
• 44:41
  So I guess when gent when Gina he sorry excuse me he's you
• 44:51
  know, he's tired. So When Lena is gone, he's like
• 44:54
  making his fans of just like, you know.
• 44:56
  So what we're going to do is what I move Inland off this
• 45:01
  island to another tribe and like live with them for winter
• 45:06
  because like, we don't have enough supplies for our people
• 45:10
  and we're just going to leave these English people to do
• 45:12
  whatever the hell they're going to do and fuck them for the
• 45:15
  winter for right now. They can like they can start for
• 45:17
  all I care. Yes. and for people who don't
• 45:25
  under like understand cuz Algonquin territories stretched.
• 45:33
  Halfway like down the east coast of the Americas all the way up
• 45:39
  into Canada. This was a major targets, but
• 45:43
  it's like a nation with smaller, little tribes.
• 45:48
  Yes. And so, I wouldn't have been
• 45:51
  that crazy for them to reach out to another Ally, essentially.
• 45:55
  I mean, this was essentially, A sort of mini, like, I'm gonna
• 46:01
  call it military because of what the conversation is a modern
• 46:04
  times, but it's like, oh, shoot. Yeah.
• 46:07
  It was like a cooperate, a Cooperative like connective
• 46:10
  nation of multiple tribes. And so, it wouldn't have been
• 46:14
  that crazy for them to go to a neighboring tribe and be like,
• 46:17
  listen, we had a terrible, you know, Harvest Help us.
• 46:23
  Yes, please. Yeah. like honestly awesome
• 46:29
  history with the Algonquin Nation, but Yeah.
• 46:33
  So, I mean, this isn't that like crazy with the, I mean, I guess
• 46:36
  this this stat. Let's goes all the way up to
• 46:38
  Eastern Canada, and then towards western Canada and it's at
• 46:46
  every. Yeah.
• 46:49
  I mean, because essentially people were showing up and I
• 46:52
  mean, there need to be a united front.
• 46:55
  So they were, I guess allies would be a better way, these
• 46:58
  were, oh yeah, definitely tribes. and there's like a bunch
• 47:04
  of Nations that are like ankle back and Yeah, there's a lot
• 47:09
  there's a lot and a whole lot of stuff happened.
• 47:11
  During the Seven Years War, we won't get her back.
• 47:14
  Yeah. Yeah, that's later in history.
• 47:15
  But yeah, yeah, hmm. Okay, so, so they're planning on
• 47:21
  moving Inland. So.
• 47:22
  Okay. I guess on Lanes trip again.
• 47:32
  He He either context like a neighboring like tribe and he
• 47:40
  warns them of, you know, Lanes going to be like visiting your
• 47:43
  area, bubble blah, he might be a little hostile.
• 47:48
  And, you know, he warns then, you know, before before this, he
• 47:53
  warns Lane of the same thing, but of the tribe.
• 47:58
  So that's one again from Wikipedia and it's like, so was
• 48:03
  he trying to like Set Lanes, thing Lanes party up for failure
• 48:09
  and then people are going to like, you know, get people
• 48:11
  killed and stuff like that. So he went to worry about my
• 48:13
  coming back. It could have been a military
• 48:22
  area of the British. Yeah.
• 48:26
  Yeah. And and I can totally see that.
• 48:30
  Um, but either way either if it was like a setup from again or
• 48:37
  just like something that's just laying suspicion.
• 48:45
  Lynn gets back, right? Oh first first we're gonna, he
• 48:50
  actually changed his name, he changed his name, it's a The
• 48:58
  premise happen. Dairy go penicillin.
• 49:01
  Yeah that's the name I know. Yeah.
• 49:03
  Okay so you change the names of famous shopping which means one
• 49:06
  who watches so he's like it's basically like a message to like
• 49:09
  I'm watching. Like I'm very very observant
• 49:13
  that's okay. Like I said, so like get a
• 49:17
  figure like I said, the Algonquin Nation at this point
• 49:21
  stretches. Pull over jigna you know the
• 49:25
  South Carolina is all the way up to well into Eastern Canada,
• 49:29
  right? So they are no strangers to
• 49:32
  trading making deals setting up protections and things of that
• 49:37
  nature, amongst tribes and stuff.
• 49:39
  So I don't think the initial contact with the English was bad
• 49:44
  but from everything that I've learned through, like, the
• 49:48
  history that my family's told me about these situations.
• 49:52
  Whenever there were any interactions with the British
• 49:55
  even when they tried to have like normal business
• 49:59
  arrangements with them, it always breaks down and real
• 50:02
  fast. Yep, it sure did.
• 50:05
  Um, could I just didn't know the way that things?
• 50:11
  Yeah. And unfortunately, like a lot of
• 50:14
  times, like, I mean, the same thing that happened with like
• 50:17
  Pocahontas, like sometimes, I would happen with the British
• 50:20
  was like, they would just be like, We're done here and just
• 50:24
  take stuff. Yeah.
• 50:26
  So that's why there was lots of fighting.
• 50:29
  Yeah so either way lane gets back from this Expedition and
• 50:36
  you know, he finds out that premise oppan.
• 50:39
  He's like he they're going to move Inland so you know.
• 50:45
  He's like okay by supremacist extensible with the amount of
• 50:50
  hurricanes in that area that break through the area.
• 50:55
  Yeah, well yes, terrible. So moving Inland might also just
• 51:00
  be a smart decision because the weather is bad.
• 51:03
  Absolutely. So once they move Inland Lane
• 51:11
  starts his plotting on How to get rid of?
• 51:19
  I guess this gets some, I don't know if it was supplies that he
• 51:23
  actually liked. Was his main thing or just like
• 51:26
  to Stage, you know, I mean like to get rid of these, the
• 51:30
  indigenous, right right there. So on a day that kind of soften
• 51:39
  and like, his his people, they move Inland, I guess there's
• 51:43
  like a meeting Lanes. Moved there later on that night.
• 51:48
  And I was like, the next morning.
• 51:50
  I think it's the next morning and at this afternoon to meet
• 51:56
  the during a meeting laying gives a signal to his people
• 52:00
  that are like hiding in the bushes.
• 52:01
  And that's this is when the massacre begins.
• 52:09
  Basically they got everybody they could everybody.
• 52:14
  Yeah. They that was the big attack.
• 52:19
  Yeah yeah the X-ray. Yeah.
• 52:28
  Yeah you know I think it was 86. Yes because yeah.
• 52:33
  That was like a tribe decimating attack.
• 52:36
  Yeah, it's just so sucky doesn't like they were leaving the area
• 52:40
  you wanted. Anyway.
• 52:42
  Yeah. Emma sobbing.
• 52:47
  I guess he's shot and he runs away.
• 52:51
  He's chased down by, you know, the English man, and they bring
• 52:55
  his decapitated head back and they stick it on a Pike in front
• 53:00
  of the colony on Roanoke Island. So, there's that. so, this
• 53:10
  happened in beginning of June, like the very like, I think the
• 53:15
  first of June, actually, A week later.
• 53:21
  They could have waited a week. They could have waited like just
• 53:24
  a week later before they did anything stupid like that a week
• 53:29
  later Sir. Francis Drake is on his way back
• 53:33
  to England and he had supplies for this Roanoke colony.
• 53:39
  So, like like he or he was bringing supplies these famous
• 53:42
  people. Like y'all could do could not
• 53:45
  have done this. But nevertheless, whatever it
• 53:51
  happened. So Sir Francis Drake was
• 53:57
  planning was that, you know, he was going to leave a ship and
• 54:02
  and enough Provisions for this Colony for about like four
• 54:05
  months. But I believe a hurricane or a
• 54:11
  big storm happened whenever they arrived.
• 54:15
  So the ship that he was going to leave.
• 54:17
  We've got swept out into the sea so it was weird timing.
• 54:24
  Yeah. Like this story is full of
• 54:30
  convenient, inconvenient things. Like to call it karma buddy.
• 54:36
  Like the timing of everything. Like what this whole roll,
• 54:39
  nothing like the capitated old boy.
• 54:44
  Yeah. You know, so I really got whole
• 54:48
  lot of your feelings for you and literally murdered an entire
• 54:51
  tribe. So maybe that's why you can't
• 54:53
  get back. Listen, I like to believe in
• 54:57
  Cosmic retribution. Brittany Unfortunately, they do
• 55:01
  get back. Um, nah.
• 55:04
  So as this ship is swept off Lane is desperate.
• 55:09
  So he goes to Drake and he's like, can you like take us back
• 55:13
  to England? Please because like, We have,
• 55:17
  we've had, you know, our fall out with the people here and
• 55:22
  there's no supplies. We don't we wouldn't have a way
• 55:25
  back, like the ship that you wanted to leave.
• 55:28
  Us is gone. So we'd be straining here for
• 55:32
  like after like after our Provisions were four months,
• 55:34
  like went up in smoke. We'd be left to the elements and
• 55:41
  the people here, because I'm pretty sure that people that is
• 55:44
  just people. There would have Killed them if
• 55:48
  they had stayed. They would have been dead.
• 55:52
  So Drake's like, all right. Yeah, you guys can our boats, so
• 55:57
  they take them back. To England, I guess, except for
• 56:03
  three men who were just like left behind.
• 56:05
  They didn't evacuate in time and they were never heard from
• 56:11
  again. So like I said, remember, this
• 56:15
  was just all the setup for what's going to happen next.
• 56:21
  So even though this first expedition was kind of, well, I
• 56:27
  was going to say kind of value, but it was like it was
• 56:30
  definitely like a complete failure here.
• 56:37
  What is it? Walter Reilly Sir Walter Reilly
• 56:39
  he's perfect. He's persuaded again to to
• 56:43
  return to Virginia or the outer banks by unknown a man named
• 56:51
  John White. Plus some other people as well,
• 56:56
  but not on Roanoke Island up, because it obviously wasn't safe
• 57:01
  anymore. Her force him to be living
• 57:04
  there. So the first settlement was
• 57:11
  definitely like aimed more towards Merrill.
• 57:15
  Terry Outpost sort of like a fort basically, but the second
• 57:25
  colonies element, whatever you wanna call it.
• 57:27
  Column looks a colony because they're colonists.
• 57:31
  It included. It included more families and
• 57:40
  there are no military at all. At least, not an organized
• 57:43
  military. So about 115.
• 57:48
  People are like, you know, let's go, let's go.
• 57:51
  Let's let's try this again. This included one of this
• 57:58
  included, John White's pregnant daughter and her husband.
• 58:03
  So, she was like she was about to give birth.
• 58:08
  And 1587 because we shifts leave England and they make their way
• 58:15
  to Virginia. So, The hold on a sec.
• 58:27
  Sorry, I'm still here. I'm still here.
• 58:31
  Okay, I'm still here too. I know Annalise break.
• 58:34
  No. You're good.
• 58:35
  You're good. You're good.
• 58:36
  I'm just making sure my saying because my back's up against
• 58:39
  sometimes anyway so the flagship that they were also.
• 58:46
  It's like I said three ships. Not this one.
• 58:51
  Yeah it's one big shot. They were not.
• 59:01
  So this is where it gets weird. Okay this is this is where
• 59:04
  things start to No, this is the this is just weird.
• 59:10
  This is just weird part. So, it'll Flagship anchors at
• 59:16
  Croatoan Island right. Now, this is a little, like, not
• 59:22
  that far away from Roanoke Island.
• 59:24
  It's like I said, part of the Outer Banks. and, Whitehead
• 59:33
  planned on whenever they had like made land and like at
• 59:39
  Chesapeake Bay that he was going to take about like 40 men to go.
• 59:46
  Search for the, The Colony of Roanoke.
• 59:52
  So why was he going to go there? So before I think it was, it was
• 1:00:00
  I got to hear. I got to hear written down, hold
• 1:00:02
  on 1586 15 in 1586. This was after like the whole
• 1:00:10
  colony was like abandoned and like Lanes blames so like June.
• 1:00:19
  86 that horrible murder. All the indigenous people
• 1:00:23
  moment. Hmm.
• 1:00:26
  And then he leaves yes and no coming back in the same year but
• 1:00:31
  probably towards the end of the year when it's the worst time to
• 1:00:34
  be traveling. Okay, so what happened after
• 1:00:39
  Lane has left, there were other fleets that had Going past the
• 1:00:48
  Outer Banks and Roanoke Island to get to England.
• 1:00:52
  And one of the fleet's they you know they checked out the The
• 1:00:58
  Colony and they said it was a bad and blah blah blah.
• 1:01:03
  And they decided to to leave 15 men there.
• 1:01:11
  Because they did not want to leave the settlement.
• 1:01:15
  The Colony abandoned, didn't want to leave it.
• 1:01:18
  Empty door unoccupied at all. So 1586 15 men are left on this
• 1:01:26
  island. I guess they had Provisions
• 1:01:27
  therefore whenever they knew John White was coming, I guess.
• 1:01:36
  So John way is told about these 15 men so he's like, all right,
• 1:01:41
  I'm going to check on like we can we could check on them after
• 1:01:44
  we establish our base camp and Chesapeake Bay.
• 1:01:49
  And then I'll give a good a search party to get these 15
• 1:01:52
  guys off this island and they'll come join us.
• 1:01:55
  Okay. So Like I said, they're there
• 1:02:01
  their original destination is set as the Chesapeake Bay
• 1:02:04
  because one it's less dangerous. The waters are a lot deeper in
• 1:02:09
  Chesapeake Bay than they are on the Outer Banks and it was just
• 1:02:15
  like an easier. I guess an easier way for like
• 1:02:19
  ships to, to get in and out of the sea.
• 1:02:24
  I'm sorry. Something in micro know.
• 1:02:29
  It's a frog in my throat. Hmm.
• 1:02:32
  And and lamb was more fertile are too because in Outer Banks
• 1:02:36
  is just like it was just hard to grow stuff.
• 1:02:40
  So, Instead of getting to Chesapeake Bay as ahead plan is
• 1:02:52
  there was so John, John White was the captain of his ship,
• 1:02:56
  right? But there was also a I guess a
• 1:03:02
  pilot. I'm not sure what you would call
• 1:03:05
  a navigator I guess ownership who was way more experience.
• 1:03:11
  And then John White at selling and stuff like that.
• 1:03:15
  So the whole crew respected this guy or a John White his name was
• 1:03:21
  Sam Mel Fernand Ferdinand Fernandez my bad his name was
• 1:03:27
  Sam male Fernandez and he was so he was part of the original
• 1:03:36
  Roanoke. Colony.
• 1:03:40
  Well, he's part of the regional like sailing team to get to the
• 1:03:45
  Roanoke colony. So he for some reason change
• 1:03:53
  plans. Like this guy who wasn't in
• 1:03:56
  charge of like setting up the colony nothing he just changed,
• 1:04:01
  everybody's plans for some fucking reason.
• 1:04:03
  So When they anchor at Croatoan Island, Fernandez is like, you
• 1:04:18
  know, how about y'all? Just get off the boat now.
• 1:04:21
  And you see that Island right there?
• 1:04:23
  That I think that's Roanoke Island.
• 1:04:25
  Yeah. How about we just dumped you
• 1:04:27
  right there and and we call it a day.
• 1:04:31
  Okay, cool, cool. Okay, and everybody like agreed
• 1:04:34
  to it for some fucking reason, I don't know.
• 1:04:36
  Why? Like that was like it was just
• 1:04:39
  so weird. Weird.
• 1:04:41
  Yo y'all had a plan to go to Chesapeake Bay which was further
• 1:04:45
  up but for some reason you let this man talk you into like not
• 1:04:53
  going to where you're supposed to go.
• 1:04:57
  So anyway it was just like it was very confusing to me.
• 1:05:01
  Why? Like John White was just like I
• 1:05:05
  don't want to say the word but he's like basically like cocked
• 1:05:07
  into like he can he can fuck off the boat and just staying
• 1:05:12
  wherever they dropped him off at.
• 1:05:16
  Yeah. so, the next morning after they dropped off on Roanoke
• 1:05:24
  Island white and his colonist. They find.
• 1:05:29
  Oh, Colony or old for that. Was that, you know, I was on
• 1:05:32
  Roanoke Island when they get there.
• 1:05:36
  They see that the fort was dismantled.
• 1:05:40
  There were abandoned house is empty, like they're just empty
• 1:05:45
  and there was no sign of the 15 men that were left there.
• 1:05:52
  They only found bones and it seemed like it was from one of
• 1:05:59
  the men that was left there. So, John White, kind of like
• 1:06:03
  speculated that the decisions people of the area probably
• 1:06:07
  killed them. So yeah, a couple days later
• 1:06:19
  though. One of the calmest, his name is
• 1:06:22
  George Howell. He was killed by the indigenous
• 1:06:24
  peoples are as well. He was like, It was just like
• 1:06:30
  straight up murder like they shot them and they bludgeoned
• 1:06:32
  his head with a wooden Club. Good job.
• 1:06:40
  This was obviously them telling the English that they were not
• 1:06:45
  welcome there at all anymore. Yeah, you just Mark the entire
• 1:06:50
  like second time tribe. You don't get to come back wrong
• 1:06:57
  with you people. Okay, so we're going to go back
• 1:07:03
  in time like a little bit like a couple years and with the
• 1:07:08
  original scouting mission. The English brought back two men
• 1:07:12
  from the neighboring Islands. One from Roanoke and has one
• 1:07:20
  from Croatoan. The one from Roanoke, his name
• 1:07:23
  was Juan cheese. And the other, the one from
• 1:07:28
  Croatoan was montillo. So they were brought back with
• 1:07:37
  Lanes party, I guess and they wrote back with Lanes party to
• 1:07:40
  Roanoke when laying went to Roanoke from, you know, what I
• 1:07:44
  mean? You know what I mean?
• 1:07:46
  From England? So, One cheese.
• 1:07:52
  He hated the English. He was like, how dare you all
• 1:07:56
  take me from my land. Like, what gives you the right?
• 1:08:01
  So understandably, like, obviously, like I resonate with
• 1:08:07
  that very much and amancio on the other hand, he was like, you
• 1:08:17
  know what, white man, you okay with me?
• 1:08:22
  So, they both want cheese on montillo.
• 1:08:27
  They both return to the islands, when, you know, Lane brings her
• 1:08:33
  back. So when John White gets there,
• 1:08:36
  you know, there's these two guys are still around.
• 1:08:40
  So, John White, he goes and contacts the Croatoan people and
• 1:08:48
  he's like, hey do y'all have any like Information about, you
• 1:08:53
  know, what happened to these 15 guys or whatnot and montego's.
• 1:09:01
  All right, look listen, I got some got some good news and I
• 1:09:06
  got some bad news for you buddy. Bad news is yeah.
• 1:09:11
  Um, see those guys they were attacked they were attacked by
• 1:09:18
  some people. And guess who was leading.
• 1:09:25
  These people want cheese on cheese, was leaving these people
• 1:09:30
  to attack of the 15-minute that were left on the island.
• 1:09:35
  So what I read was that two other men, two of the 15 men
• 1:09:39
  were definitely killed the other men, like they escaped on the
• 1:09:45
  boat and then they were just never heard from again.
• 1:09:50
  I don't know. And so that was bad news.
• 1:09:56
  Good news is, I just saved a ton of money on modeling my home and
• 1:10:00
  both insurance. So there's that after a while
• 1:10:14
  they're just like okay well we know that we're not wanting here
• 1:10:17
  so we should stay away from Everybody.
• 1:10:21
  That's not Van Tol. And his people got it.
• 1:10:25
  Good. So, it went for a month for a
• 1:10:31
  month. Brittany for a month.
• 1:10:33
  Okay. Hey, it's just lift for a month.
• 1:10:38
  This dude. Fernandez, he's just anchored
• 1:10:43
  outside. Outer Banks?
• 1:10:45
  He's just sitting there. He didn't go anywhere, he's just
• 1:10:49
  there. And like he could have took it
• 1:10:53
  or take it. I don't know why.
• 1:10:54
  But this is like this part frustrated, me, as I was reading
• 1:10:57
  it, I was like, so you just left them there on Roanoke Island for
• 1:11:03
  what reason and do you just stayed there for what reason?
• 1:11:09
  You could have taken them to, like, Chesapeake Bay.
• 1:11:10
  It's not that like, and I'm pretty sure.
• 1:11:12
  It's, I don't know how it's not that far by boat.
• 1:11:14
  Okay, pretty. Even so it doesn't, it doesn't
• 1:11:19
  say, I mean it's probably somewhere in these notes
• 1:11:26
  somewhere, but like, I don't know.
• 1:11:29
  So, either way, once she's, I mean, I want she's got I'm think
• 1:11:36
  I'm getting my name is mixed up now.
• 1:11:38
  Munchies for his. They're both just people.
• 1:11:42
  Fernandez is like after months sitting here, all right?
• 1:11:47
  How about we just go home now and just leave these guys. so,
• 1:11:55
  On the island of Roanoke supplies.
• 1:11:58
  You know, we're getting low John which daughter.
• 1:12:02
  She just had a baby. It was a girl, they named her
• 1:12:08
  Virginia. And people were worried about,
• 1:12:16
  you know, running out of supplies.
• 1:12:18
  So they persuade jauntily, what Fernandez do you ink to go to
• 1:12:23
  England to get, you know, more people to help them and get more
• 1:12:27
  supplies? John was reluctant.
• 1:12:30
  Of course, because he doesn't want to be like known as a
• 1:12:33
  deserter. Whenever you gets back to
• 1:12:34
  England or he doesn't want to like and he just like he doesn't
• 1:12:39
  lose his family. Like what happened?
• 1:12:41
  What what happened to his family?
• 1:12:42
  If he's not there? They're like his daughter.
• 1:12:44
  Just had a daughter against a granddaughter to worry about
• 1:12:47
  now. But, you know, reluctantly he
• 1:12:53
  goes with Fernandez back to England.
• 1:13:02
  He this would probably this would this would definitely be
• 1:13:06
  the last time he would see his family friends also like, can
• 1:13:13
  you remember, who you imagine that boat ride back with
• 1:13:17
  Fernandez? Like John Wayne just looking at
• 1:13:19
  Fernando's like, so you just left us there that Island for my
• 1:13:24
  apparently boy must have been spooked by something like a,
• 1:13:28
  bro, you couldn't just like taking this Chesapeake Bay
• 1:13:31
  wasn't that far away, buddy. Like what would you think?
• 1:13:34
  And you just sent her for a month to what the hell?
• 1:13:40
  Anyway, so what happens? Next is a series of very
• 1:13:46
  unfortunate events. So by the time that John White
• 1:13:52
  gets back to England, I guess what happens, it's the Spanish
• 1:13:56
  Armada, AR it's attacking, it's a tagging England or its plan to
• 1:14:06
  attack England. And then like I guess a year or
• 1:14:09
  so later a little bit later they start attacking either way
• 1:14:14
  before they attack Queen Elizabeth the first.
• 1:14:17
  She prohibits all able Shape. Oh, Abel ships from leaving
• 1:14:21
  England at this time in case they were needed for war.
• 1:14:28
  It's 1857 at a time. Okay, 1857 is when he gets back
• 1:14:33
  to England. I mean if it's 1587 I don't know
• 1:14:37
  why I keep saying God 1587. Okay, so a man named Richard
• 1:14:47
  Greenville. So this guy Richard Greenville.
• 1:14:51
  He was. Do you remember when I said
• 1:14:54
  that, Ralph Lanes? Colony was waiting like it was
• 1:15:01
  supposed to be waiting for two months into a supply ship was
• 1:15:04
  supposed to come. Okay, so this guy Greenville.
• 1:15:10
  He was supposed to be leading that supply, that that Supply
• 1:15:14
  run. I believe that.
• 1:15:22
  Something happened to greenville's like ship, so they
• 1:15:27
  got like, like blown off course or something, so they lost
• 1:15:32
  Provisions that way or it's something something along those
• 1:15:37
  lines that he wasn't able to make it to the Colony.
• 1:15:43
  So that's why they had to rely on the dishes, people of the
• 1:15:48
  area generosity. So Ville.
• 1:15:54
  He's given permission to leave for the Caribbeans the
• 1:15:59
  Caribbean, Caribbeans, Caribbean to Caribbean, whatever to
• 1:16:03
  attack, you know, Spanish. So John was also give her
• 1:16:08
  permission to you know, tag along with them.
• 1:16:13
  But when they're about to leave, The winds were too harsh so they
• 1:16:21
  were stuck in Port. so they're stuck there, and by the time
• 1:16:27
  that the winds, like have finally calmed down there, ready
• 1:16:29
  to go again, Greenville, got new orders, To stay and fight.
• 1:16:38
  So John was stuck again. Yeah, but Greenville did have
• 1:16:48
  two smaller ships that were not I guess they weren't
• 1:16:54
  combat-ready or the content they weren't for combat over
• 1:16:59
  battling. So he's like, all right here
• 1:17:03
  John, you can take these two ships, get the heavy supplies
• 1:17:06
  to, you know, your Island, your colony.
• 1:17:10
  He's like, yes. All right.
• 1:17:12
  And so the two ships leave when supplies So what happens next?
• 1:17:20
  I think it's like the stupidity on the the captains of the two
• 1:17:24
  ships. So first the captains of the
• 1:17:29
  ships are like hey let's go caption some more Spanish ships
• 1:17:34
  so we can make like more of a profit on this run.
• 1:17:39
  So this is what they do and jobs like, okay, can we just like
• 1:17:45
  you'll make it quick? I got people to save here, you
• 1:17:47
  know what I mean? Time for this.
• 1:17:54
  All right. Oh my God.
• 1:17:57
  Yes, exactly what they were doing.
• 1:17:59
  Like let's do the sciquest real quick.
• 1:18:00
  Not the main quest? No, no, no, listen.
• 1:18:04
  There's like a timer on this Mission and I got to get back
• 1:18:10
  home. It's already been like a year.
• 1:18:15
  Yeah. Um, so a couple weeks later
• 1:18:22
  after they go and they do all their stuff that you ships are
• 1:18:26
  attacked by supposedly Pirates. Two dozen of the crew were
• 1:18:34
  killed and supplies for Roanoke, loot It, Go on course, of
• 1:18:40
  course. So they had to turn back to
• 1:18:43
  England. So August rolls around.
• 1:18:47
  The Spanish Armada is defeated. I had tell you during the time
• 1:18:51
  of pirate must have been wild. Yo, I wish like just wild.
• 1:19:02
  I wish I was a pirate. That's all I can think about is.
• 1:19:06
  I'm like bro, the time of pirates had to have been
• 1:19:10
  absolutely insane. Then it must have been the
• 1:19:12
  greatest time ever. You think the greatest Pirates?
• 1:19:19
  Yes, for the Pirates but like not enough people get low.
• 1:19:24
  Loot and left. Look, I would have been a
• 1:19:26
  pirate. I don't care about the oh God.
• 1:19:34
  I'm just I just think about that.
• 1:19:35
  Like in hindsight and go like just wild man.
• 1:19:38
  You couldn't just. I mean they're still pirates in
• 1:19:40
  certain parts of the world but like yeah.
• 1:19:42
  Not you really couldn't just cross the ocean Chillin.
• 1:19:48
  No. Susie a Jolly Roger.
• 1:19:53
  Yeah. I'm for done for son.
• 1:19:56
  Oh God. That something like you're just
• 1:19:59
  Day, I can only imagine them. They're like, you know, we
• 1:20:04
  should, this is good, we finally got it.
• 1:20:06
  We're doing it and Then all of a sudden you see pirate ship when
• 1:20:14
  you're like well shit. Yep basically that is what
• 1:20:22
  happened? So Like I said, the Spanish
• 1:20:28
  Armada is defeated, this is August, but ships are still
• 1:20:32
  banned from leaving because they were, they were used to going to
• 1:20:38
  be used to focus, only a counter-attack against the
• 1:20:41
  Spanish. And this is now in 1589.
• 1:20:51
  John White doesn't get to try another Supply, run until 1590.
• 1:20:57
  So this is three years. This man has been trying to get
• 1:21:01
  back to the xylem. Yeah, baby.
• 1:21:06
  His granddaughter is just there. He doesn't know what's going on.
• 1:21:11
  Is people like this? Like this is obviously,
• 1:21:14
  obviously before cell phones or Internet shit like that.
• 1:21:18
  He doesn't know. He doesn't know what's going on
• 1:21:20
  there. Like and he like it.
• 1:21:22
  Can you imagine? Oh my God, could you imagine?
• 1:21:24
  Like he must have been stressing out the whole fucking time?
• 1:21:28
  God bless it. I don't like him because he
• 1:21:31
  decapitated my duke but not John.
• 1:21:33
  Why John Waite didn't do it? It was like slate.
• 1:21:35
  That was my instinct. Yeah, sins of the father.
• 1:21:44
  Okay, okay okay no I'm being completely.
• 1:21:47
  Listen. Hey, yeah.
• 1:21:56
  Okay, so it's 1590 John gets to like he gets permission to head
• 1:22:03
  back with snow Supply ships and he arrives, August 12.
• 1:22:13
  And the anchor at Krakatoa Croatoan Island.
• 1:22:17
  So nothing, nothing notable happens on this.
• 1:22:20
  First day, August 15th, the crew they spot, plumes of smoke,
• 1:22:28
  coming from Roanoke Island, the next morning more smoke this
• 1:22:35
  time. It's coming from the other end
• 1:22:37
  of Croatoan Island. They don't like they do they
• 1:22:44
  they search scroll to I Croatoan Island because that's the
• 1:22:47
  closest Island right there. They're right there so they
• 1:22:50
  searched the area. They don't find anything August
• 1:22:57
  17th there's another fire on Roanoke Island so check that
• 1:23:04
  out. So this time they do go to check
• 1:23:07
  it out but before they get through know, Oh Kyle and I
• 1:23:13
  guess it gets dark and they didn't want to chance it because
• 1:23:16
  they they knew what was going to happen.
• 1:23:18
  If they they popped in their late at night they would have
• 1:23:23
  got attacked So they just anchor ships off of Roanoke Island.
• 1:23:33
  And they sing English songs and hopes that the colonists on
• 1:23:38
  land. Can hear them, obviously 80s.
• 1:23:44
  They get to Roanoke Island. They finally like they land on
• 1:23:49
  Roanoke Island. And August 18th was also, John
• 1:23:54
  wife's John White's granddaughters, third birthday.
• 1:23:59
  So, she was three years old. Yeah, but she already been yep.
• 1:24:05
  Yep, yep. Yep.
• 1:24:06
  Probably, Yep. They're fresh tracks in the sand
• 1:24:11
  but no one comes to greet them. They spot a nearby tree that has
• 1:24:18
  the letters cro written on them. They set they want to get to the
• 1:24:25
  Colony and they find the word Croatoan written on a post.
• 1:24:31
  Like I said in the beginning of the episode and you know John
• 1:24:36
  thinks okay. So they must have you know they
• 1:24:39
  must be on Croatoan Island since then we just came from.
• 1:24:44
  Yeah yeah hmm we didn't see a whole bunch of people there.
• 1:24:48
  They did not see anybody there. and um, The reason why he's lost
• 1:24:59
  this though was because, I guess, before he left, he liked
• 1:25:02
  the whole Colony, they had made like a plan to like, leave a
• 1:25:07
  message if they ever left the area before John got back.
• 1:25:11
  Right, right. And I guess Croatoan was like,
• 1:25:16
  their, their message to them saying that, this is where we
• 1:25:20
  went not, this is who attacked us.
• 1:25:26
  Um, so, But upon further inspection of the you know the
• 1:25:37
  colony you could tell that had been looted valuables were gone,
• 1:25:45
  Boats were gone, nothing was there even I guess, John had
• 1:25:51
  some chest that he had buried when he was there on island and
• 1:25:57
  they had been drugged up, Dave and dug up and loot it. it's And
• 1:26:10
  that's basically like it's like I'm not sure, it doesn't say
• 1:26:17
  that. He went to Croatoan or he likes
• 1:26:21
  and I think I he tried to. I mean, they investigated and
• 1:26:26
  stuff, I remember. Yeah.
• 1:26:28
  Yeah. Nothing like they.
• 1:26:32
  Nothing. Nothing came up after that.
• 1:26:34
  Nothing ever happened. Yeah.
• 1:26:37
  And the main reason was because of one of the ships that, I
• 1:26:41
  guess what the anchor cable snapped.
• 1:26:44
  Because like, that, that night when they went back to the
• 1:26:47
  ship's, they're like, okay. We're going to check for
• 1:26:49
  watching William Island the next day but I mean I wouldn't I
• 1:26:54
  wouldn't. I mean I definitely would.
• 1:26:58
  Okay. So there's I know some of the
• 1:26:59
  hypotheses about this. Hmm.
• 1:27:03
  And at this point, Foul Hatton was a thing.
• 1:27:13
  You would you would know? so, I mean, there were other
• 1:27:17
  situations happening like Wrecking the ship very.
• 1:27:22
  Well, could have been a sabotage.
• 1:27:25
  Yeah. I mean, at this point, we're
• 1:27:30
  talking about Kyle Hatton, the the pot and tribe is Pocahontas.
• 1:27:35
  This tribe John Smith, all that's happening.
• 1:27:42
  So and the situation where people don't really understand
• 1:27:45
  about, like, what happened there, like, Disney movie is so
• 1:27:49
  like, wiped the realness, like, when I say that, like comment,
• 1:27:54
  like, and I said, that, like conversations between indigenous
• 1:27:58
  folks and colonizers break down fast, it broke down real fast.
• 1:28:02
  It went, where, like John Smith's crew were like,
• 1:28:05
  kidnapping, women, if they didn't give up like tobacco
• 1:28:09
  Fields. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:28:12
  It went real hostile real fast. So I mean, I completely
• 1:28:17
  unintentional Vibe, like they could have thought that that new
• 1:28:21
  ship was reinforcements. Hmm.
• 1:28:27
  Or it could have just been, you know, that the thing broke the
• 1:28:32
  the it's that I forget what you call the part of that ship that
• 1:28:35
  broke there's something anchor cable.
• 1:28:39
  So, I mean, I can't stop, you know.
• 1:28:43
  Yeah, that's it. It can't land.
• 1:28:45
  They can't, they can't like land anywhere.
• 1:28:49
  Like one of the, one of them was cut.
• 1:28:50
  So, you know, sabotage, I mean, if you're already in fights
• 1:28:54
  with, Other people, you know what I mean?
• 1:29:00
  And they had that like by, I like the late 1500s.
• 1:29:05
  They were already kidnapping. How hatton's and taking them.
• 1:29:09
  There was true. So they could have seen any
• 1:29:14
  Englishmen as it's okay. And immediately well you know
• 1:29:19
  what? Stop you and your stupid boats.
• 1:29:22
  Dang, no anchor. Bye, see you later.
• 1:29:25
  Yeah. So, I mean, there's yeah, yeah,
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  no. Yeah. it was as when I always
• 1:29:35
  heard of and I thought that that had some legs I'm like II.
• 1:29:39
  Think the real hostile not that far from there.
• 1:29:43
  So, very true, very true to is that like, is this when we talk,
• 1:29:49
  we learn about colonization and like American history in the
• 1:29:52
  u.s. they talk about it and like these little stages but like
• 1:29:56
  once like one crew started showing up other clearly like
• 1:29:59
  other groups of people started showing up.
• 1:30:01
  Yeah. The the East Coast was just
• 1:30:04
  inundated with people all up and down the coast by, you know,
• 1:30:10
  obviously the pilgrims are the first ones but I mean like into
• 1:30:13
  the future and the 1600s. Hmm.
• 1:30:16
  A lot of drama, a lot of fighting.
• 1:30:21
  That summation of tribes estimation to colonizers.
• 1:30:25
  Sickness, all sorts of terrible stuff happening up and down,
• 1:30:29
  Simon. Yeah.
• 1:30:32
  Yeah. Terrible.
• 1:30:35
  But did he ever get to do like a proper investigation so that
• 1:30:40
  time he had to leave because the boat was screwed.
• 1:30:42
  Yeah. So he had to leave but they had
• 1:30:45
  made plans to come back the next year.
• 1:30:51
  After the one ship. Spent the winter in the
• 1:30:55
  Caribbean Caribbean Caribbean. I don't know why I keep saying
• 1:30:59
  correct. Caribbean, Caribbean movie
• 1:31:02
  Pirates of the Caribbean, and we've been running ever since
• 1:31:05
  that a Disney movie. Yeah, I know the Caribbean, so
• 1:31:10
  they're going to return back in the spring of 1591.
• 1:31:15
  But unfortunately, this plan did not go very well because the
• 1:31:20
  ship that They were planning on taking to the Caribbean was
• 1:31:26
  blown off course and it forced him to stop for Supply
• 1:31:31
  somewhere. And then the wind when they when
• 1:31:37
  they wanted to land at the places he wanted to get supplies
• 1:31:40
  from the winds, we're fucking bad.
• 1:31:42
  And so the ship was just forced to go back to England.
• 1:31:48
  Um, after that, John White wasn't able to like get back to
• 1:31:55
  Roanoke ever. So after that, nothing like
• 1:32:04
  there were investigations, of course, other investigations,
• 1:32:09
  besides white, trying to get back there to look for his Kong.
• 1:32:13
  Has his Colony Sir Walter Reilly Was I guess so he was supposed
• 1:32:23
  to. He basically wants to wipe his
• 1:32:25
  hands clean of this whole thing but he wanted to keep his claim
• 1:32:32
  on Virginia. So What he did was, he didn't
• 1:32:40
  want to pronounce any of the colonists, like legally dead at
• 1:32:47
  this time. So, so he can like, I guess,
• 1:32:53
  what is it? He could pass on this land to
• 1:32:58
  his son. Or no, not him.
• 1:33:05
  Not him, not at nighttime. No.
• 1:33:07
  So I'm sorry, I'm skipping ahead.
• 1:33:09
  So I guess he just wanted to keep his claim on Virginia.
• 1:33:12
  Basically. So, What remember a John
• 1:33:20
  White's, his daughter? Her husband.
• 1:33:25
  I don't know how to pronounce his name, but his last name is
• 1:33:27
  dare so they I guess there's a petition that goes around that's
• 1:33:34
  like yo we need to we need to make it like Make this like
• 1:33:41
  public that he's like legally dead, so that his son John there
• 1:33:47
  is another like, there are so many jobs in this story.
• 1:33:50
  I don't understand. Why was everyone like, he had
• 1:33:54
  his fucking John and one of my least favorite things when
• 1:33:58
  you're trying to cover stories about old step, is that if a kid
• 1:34:01
  died, they would just rename the kit like the new kid.
• 1:34:06
  Yeah. So or like, was like, oh, and
• 1:34:09
  Susan died. So then like, Like, and maybe
• 1:34:11
  she was like 14. So they would name the new baby
• 1:34:14
  Susan. And so, you just have all these
• 1:34:16
  names, like, all these names are the same.
• 1:34:18
  It's very frustrating when you're trying to like, tell a
• 1:34:22
  story and everyone has the same name.
• 1:34:25
  That's why sometimes when I plug some of the older stories, I'll
• 1:34:28
  use some people's first names and some people's last names
• 1:34:31
  trying like delineate or I'll be like Junior.
• 1:34:35
  So that's obviously the son of this person because everybody in
• 1:34:39
  the family line. Same fucking name, but
• 1:34:47
  apparently he had a son, an England named John Deere and he
• 1:34:51
  was supposed to inherit. I guess what is his name?
• 1:34:54
  Anna and I he's and Ice there so that he had a state that is
• 1:35:02
  someone supposed to inherit. So, this happened and 1590.
• 1:35:10
  Seven. So Riley was, I guess.
• 1:35:18
  He said, he said he when he was on like a voyage in 1595, he
• 1:35:24
  said, he wanted to go stop by in search for his column the
• 1:35:27
  colonists as well. But Later on he he admitted that
• 1:35:40
  this was like a lie because he was just like he wanted to cover
• 1:35:45
  up that he was actually searching for El Dorado instead
• 1:35:51
  of searching for his people. But you said he's so past the
• 1:35:57
  Outer Banks but you know the weather just stopped him from
• 1:36:01
  Landing or anchoring. Hitting isn't Landing.
• 1:36:06
  I don't know what it's like when I say these terms, I'm thinking
• 1:36:08
  of like planes but I think it's they work on for boats to.
• 1:36:12
  I'm not sure I'm not a sport doc, I'm sure one of those one
• 1:36:18
  of those things don't think it matters that much people
• 1:36:22
  understand what's happening. Yeah.
• 1:36:25
  So yeah. Sorry, it was just I I have a
• 1:36:28
  question for you. So one of the theories that I
• 1:36:31
  always heard was that those people kind of Of what's the
• 1:36:36
  word like assimilated into local tribes?
• 1:36:40
  Yes unlikely but I think that's like the nice you know one so
• 1:36:48
  that's the advisor Theory and that's I guess part of when John
• 1:36:54
  Smith was in the area over he lied like a mofo.
• 1:37:04
  I can't trust Anything John Smith said like he told so many
• 1:37:08
  like, I mean, he created the Mythos that like Pocahontas like
• 1:37:13
  stepped in the way of and she protected me and I was like,
• 1:37:18
  brush. She was 12.
• 1:37:19
  And it was like a total. It was like a religious like
• 1:37:24
  event. Yeah, he thought like he oh my
• 1:37:27
  god. Do they didn't even like the
• 1:37:29
  name. Pocahontas didn't even appear in
• 1:37:32
  any writings. From what was going on in
• 1:37:36
  Chesapeake, during that time until he wrote his book, like 10
• 1:37:41
  years later. Hmm.
• 1:37:45
  Yeah he was a not a great guy so I don't know if I trust the the
• 1:37:51
  integration aspect of it came from one of his books.
• 1:37:53
  Well, he's a liar. Yeah, I'm not sure but I still
• 1:38:00
  got to add it. But yeah, so I guess once he was
• 1:38:13
  He had heard claim that there were, I guess indigenous people
• 1:38:20
  that were dressed in. There are men and I guess you're
• 1:38:24
  just people dressing European style clothing from another
• 1:38:29
  tribe. And they I guess they looked
• 1:38:32
  kind of European, but they weren't European.
• 1:38:37
  They were more indigenous. Well, they're closed.
• 1:38:41
  We stood up that long. I don't know anybody was seen
• 1:38:45
  them. They would have been paler than
• 1:38:48
  the app because I also, I hope anybody listening knows this.
• 1:38:51
  But originally indigenous Americans were a lot more darker
• 1:38:55
  skin due to a lot of rape and kidnappings.
• 1:39:02
  A lot of people like, so in the original at pictures of
• 1:39:04
  indigenous, people, they aren't fair skin.
• 1:39:07
  They don't look like me. Yeah.
• 1:39:11
  So like I feel like a Sadler would have stuck out.
• 1:39:17
  You know what I mean? Even if they weren't wearing
• 1:39:19
  like old clothes at the, you know, English clothes because
• 1:39:25
  they were pale-faced. Yeah.
• 1:39:28
  Yeah. There are they could have just.
• 1:39:30
  Yeah. It could have been just babies.
• 1:39:32
  Like there were no. Never mind.
• 1:39:34
  Now doesn't make any sense. I don't know, but, you know, if
• 1:39:36
  there will be enough time. Exactly.
• 1:39:38
  It's yeah, this was at this was like 1607 and this is like 10
• 1:39:46
  but maybe, I don't know, like 10 years later, so maybe I mean if
• 1:39:52
  they would have been allowed to become a part of other tribes,
• 1:39:55
  they would have been very lucky. It's like if they were captured
• 1:39:58
  by other tribes and just force it integrate with them.
• 1:40:02
  Still would have been lucky. Yeah.
• 1:40:03
  Fuck you then try and do it on their own and area that doesn't
• 1:40:07
  necessarily have the best ground for certain crops and stuff.
• 1:40:12
  They were trying to push Yeah. So I like the other one, too.
• 1:40:20
  That like, they just like got a ship and they tried to, like,
• 1:40:23
  leave. That's a good.
• 1:40:24
  Like, wait a second, how? How big is a ship they built
• 1:40:29
  one? They try to build this shit.
• 1:40:32
  They tried to build. Yeah, I mean you could it's I
• 1:40:34
  mean it's not nowadays is not that mean it's probably was hard
• 1:40:38
  back then with his I mean, it's not on a ship that could cross.
• 1:40:44
  The Atlantic like a it sounds impossible with 100 people?
• 1:40:51
  Yeah, I'm not, I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:41:00
  There's also like a spin and maybe a Spanish attacked and had
• 1:41:03
  happened there. But who knows?
• 1:41:10
  Apparently there's another tree. It's a Cora tree.
• 1:41:14
  It has the word core written on it.
• 1:41:19
  That's another, I guess conspiracy of the yeah.
• 1:41:23
  Yeah, yeah. And well, like what does Cora
• 1:41:27
  mean? I don't know, maybe just
• 1:41:31
  misspelled, Croatoan or Crower these this Velcro Oh no, no, no,
• 1:41:39
  I like this one. As a story is a local legend
• 1:41:44
  about a witch named Cora from a book from 1989.
• 1:41:49
  Okay, never mind. That's made of.
• 1:41:52
  Yeah, nothing, nothing. So no one really knows.
• 1:42:07
  Okay. This person might have been I'm
• 1:42:12
  saying that they left Croatoan to settle with the Quarry.
• 1:42:16
  Another Another tribe. Okay.
• 1:42:27
  No, no no. Of course, the Dare Stones.
• 1:42:31
  Yes. What?
• 1:42:34
  Those are considered things? Yes, yes, everything is
• 1:42:39
  surrounding. This is interesting.
• 1:42:43
  Like the only, I've like I've seen Croatoan like so many times
• 1:42:48
  I think, I first time I saw it was like in Supernatural the
• 1:42:54
  show. I was gonna say, I'm pretty sure
• 1:42:56
  it's was it. Supernatural.
• 1:43:11
  It's a Batman thing. Supernatural now.
• 1:43:16
  But it was, I think it was like a demon plot point in the 90s
• 1:43:24
  and Crow. Tell me the most wonderful.
• 1:43:27
  Yeah. It was a spawn Batman.
• 1:43:29
  And of course thing, Roanoke is one of my favorite, one of the
• 1:43:34
  few seasons of American Horror Story that I actually really.
• 1:43:36
  Like, I, I did not like that. That's where we differ.
• 1:43:41
  I know. We say, okay, so I love those
• 1:43:47
  shows where they retell the story of a haunting and I love
• 1:43:52
  that they've recreated that. Yeah, I mean okay, so that makes
• 1:43:57
  25, it did get a little long after they left the house and
• 1:44:04
  then they came back and there was the reunions that's when he
• 1:44:07
  got a little long. But um, Unfortunately, that's
• 1:44:12
  just how that show is there. It always hits a point for me,
• 1:44:14
  where it's like, wow, this feels like a great ending still going
• 1:44:21
  and sometimes after the first great ending, there's another
• 1:44:24
  great ending but not always but yeah, a lot of people don't like
• 1:44:27
  that one but I kind of love it because it does have the
• 1:44:29
  historical connection just a little bit.
• 1:44:31
  Yeah, I just I do like it because Lady Gaga is very hot.
• 1:44:37
  That one you got. That was she's in Roanoke is
• 1:44:42
  just like she plays I guess some type of which that's there.
• 1:44:51
  I mean yeah you there was definitely because there was a
• 1:44:53
  whole which aspect of it. Yeah yeah so she was the witch
• 1:44:58
  oh yeah okay the one with running through the woods got
• 1:45:02
  it. Yeah yeah I listened she barely
• 1:45:05
  looks like herself in that. And she barely looks like her.
• 1:45:10
  She doesn't, she doesn't, she doesn't hear, right?
• 1:45:15
  I didn't realize it was hurt. But anyway, no, it'll be okay.
• 1:45:19
  But that is what I got for today.
• 1:45:27
  This is my longest to be the one who talks for like an hour and a
• 1:45:34
  half. I'm so glad it was like like, We
• 1:45:42
  did it when you were to into your section because this would
• 1:45:44
  have been like a three hour episode, right?
• 1:45:46
  Holy crap. You're right.
• 1:45:48
  If I had done, oh yeah, I was working on a real juicy one that
• 1:45:51
  for next time. For y'all who are listening.
• 1:45:54
  It's one that people have begged me to talk about for so long, a
• 1:45:58
  particular serial killer, who I am not a fan of mouth so you
• 1:46:03
  have that to look forward to if you're still listening.
• 1:46:06
  Yes, thanks so much for putting up with our special.
• 1:46:11
  Joel covid. Quarantine episode.
• 1:46:13
  Yes, thank you guys for listening as always and
• 1:46:19
  goodnight he