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Patriots Unfiltered 10/4: Saints Preview, J.C. Jackson Trade, Wednesday Practice Update · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 1: Tuesday here at Jillette Stadium. And oh god, I have
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  Speaker 1: to admit I was thinking, all right, don't win anymore,
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  Speaker 4: You just say that, No, I'm arran, I just I'm
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  Speaker 1: I might during the game, You're like, okay, well, what's
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  Speaker 1: the point now?
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  Speaker 5: This season hasn't even really started that much yet.
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  Speaker 6: You know, you still in the picture by the ball.
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  Speaker 1: maybe they did.
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  Speaker 3: They really get a forest of balls.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a graveyard.
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  Speaker 4: We're running on the balls like the googling shovels. But
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  Speaker 4: it was an unbelievable play. Yeah, and we really saw
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  Speaker 4: very little of him the.
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  Speaker 1: Rest of the game.
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  Speaker 3: When I got scared, we did that. He made a
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  Speaker 3: big play.
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  Speaker 1: Can't have that. Get out of there.
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  Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Patriots Unfiltered. It's Wednesday here at
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  Speaker 1: Gillette Stadium. We've turned the page. That's what we call Wednesday,
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  Speaker 1: to turn the page day as we forget about last
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  Speaker 1: game as much as we can and we start to
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  Speaker 1: focus on our upcoming opponent, which of course is the
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  Speaker 1: New Orlands Saints come and marching in to Jellette one
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  Speaker 1: o'clock on Sunday. And big news, I'd say, I'd say,
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  Speaker 1: you know, relatively big news for this time of the year.
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  Speaker 1: Bringing in an old old friend.
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  Speaker 5: Welcome jac Jackson. He's got some he's got some money
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  Speaker 5: now with him. Yeah, I don't know. He got bench
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  Speaker 5: last week. I mean he's so I had to dive in.
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  Speaker 6: I mean torres Peateeller Tendon last year and then this year,
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  Speaker 6: came back but wasn't playing great. So I know Evan
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  Speaker 6: was jumping into some of this film, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, it feels like the move they just had
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  Speaker 6: to make. I mean he can't. Yeah, they especially if
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  Speaker 6: Jonathan Jones can't get back on track this week.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they literally like they have Sean Wade who's
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  Speaker 1: healthy right as a cornerback, and then you know Miles Bryant,
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  Speaker 1: who you know, he's been playing both safety and cornerback right,
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  Speaker 1: and yeah, out of necessity, now he's playing cornerback. They need,
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  Speaker 1: they need cornerbacks. Yeah, I mean, maybe Jonathan Jones comes
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  Speaker 1: back this week. Every week we say he's close.
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  Speaker 4: That's true, and I've been falling into that.
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  Speaker 1: And then he doesn't come back. You know.
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  Speaker 5: If he isn't coming back, they definitely.
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  Speaker 1: But the fact a body, right, But the fact that
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  Speaker 1: they haven't put him on I R. Paul said yet.
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  Speaker 1: I mean that shows you that they think he could
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  Speaker 1: come back, you know, but I don't know if he
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  Speaker 1: try something and he has a setback or what. But
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  Speaker 1: he hasn't been back.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Paul and I are going to be
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  Speaker 3: on opposite sides of the street. On this one based
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  Speaker 3: off of our pre show discussions.
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  Speaker 4: But I'm just sort of I'm done with the j
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  Speaker 4: Z Jackson thing. Not to go all tomorrow on you,
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  Speaker 4: but I yeah, whatever, I'm kind of indifferent on it.
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  Speaker 4: I guess if Jonathan Jones can't play, then I want.
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  Speaker 3: I like it even better if Jonathan Jones can play.
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  Speaker 4: Sure, Like I don't like the player, so I don't
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  Speaker 4: want him on my team.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, just me, but he's so much better what
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  Speaker 3: they have Paul, Like maybe I think ultimately the thing
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  Speaker 3: that I you know, we turned the page on Wednesday,
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  Speaker 3: and I said, yesterday, you know that it was a
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  Speaker 3: pretty dark time and in the Lazagart apartment and and
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  Speaker 3: it was. It was, but I will say this on
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  Speaker 3: Wednesday speaking, she's she's just, you know, oh God, like,
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  Speaker 3: what are we going to do for the next, you know,
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  Speaker 3: thirteen weeks? And that's how I was feeling, was like,
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  Speaker 3: oh God, we we have to play, you know, thirteen
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  Speaker 3: more of these and I'm gonna have to watch this
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  Speaker 3: thirteen more times. And it does. It gives me a
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  Speaker 3: little sliver of hope that to bring a guy in
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  Speaker 3: like j C. Jackson, who you know, you can get
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  Speaker 3: the best out of you know how to use him,
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  Speaker 3: you know he can be a productive player for you.
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  Speaker 3: And now we don't need to watch Miles Brian Sean
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  Speaker 3: Wade in the mere speed for the rest of the
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  Speaker 3: season like that. I don't as a Patriots fan like
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  Speaker 3: as much as I know a lot of people want
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  Speaker 3: it to tank, and I totally understand the rationale behind
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  Speaker 3: not wanting to win very many games the rest of
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  Speaker 3: the way, the bottom line is is that it's four
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  Speaker 3: weeks into the season and you can't wave the white five.
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  Speaker 1: You can't wipe the white flag. And it's not fair
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  Speaker 1: to everybody else in the team to not to you know,
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  Speaker 1: have options and not go after them at a certain position.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, here's an not only is he coming over
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  Speaker 1: and you know him, but I think the Chargers are
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  Speaker 1: paying some of his salary most.
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  Speaker 4: Of his Patriots want to paying one point five minutes.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I mean why not?
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  Speaker 5: Why is that? Was that an announcer?
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  Speaker 4: Is that just part of the trade they re as
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  Speaker 4: part of the trade, they restructured his contracts, so the
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  Speaker 4: Chargers gave him like nine whatever in a signing bonus,
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  Speaker 4: and the Patriots are only responsible for one point five
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  Speaker 4: million and then there's no other guaranteed money, so he'll
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  Speaker 4: probably get cut after the season. But technically, if.
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  Speaker 5: He makes a contract for the next three years, the remaining.
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  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's under contract the next three years. But
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  Speaker 4: I don't think there's any possible way the Patriots are
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  Speaker 4: going to pay.
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  Speaker 6: Him struct so they're just they're just covering this this
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  Speaker 6: this year, I.
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  Speaker 3: Got you, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I I
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  Speaker 3: watched his film from from this year. Was only two games,
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  Speaker 3: so it didn't take me very long. But the bottom
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  Speaker 3: line was is you know, with his film, I saw J. C.
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  Speaker 3: Jackson And when I say that, I mean this is
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  Speaker 3: not this is a flawed player. Like I think that
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  Speaker 3: the Chargers signed him to this contract and thought that
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  Speaker 3: they were getting this like shut down Durrell Revis man
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  Speaker 3: to man corner, and it's just he's a boomer bust player.
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  Speaker 3: He always has been. And he's not somebody that's going
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  Speaker 3: to go out and you say, Okay, you got Tyreek
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  Speaker 3: Hill today and we're not gonna worry about it and
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  Speaker 3: we're just gonna, you know, play the rest of the
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  Speaker 3: defense over here like that. That's just not what he's about.
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  Speaker 3: He's a ballhawk. He's inconsistent at times in coverage, but
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  Speaker 3: he makes plays and coverage as well. And I think
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  Speaker 3: the Patriots are going to be better equipped to work
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  Speaker 3: around his deficiencies that I don't think the Chargers really
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  Speaker 3: understood the player all that well in terms of what
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  Speaker 3: his strengths and weakness.
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  Speaker 1: And you know, you look at Derek Carr next week,
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  Speaker 1: maybe Jimmy Garoppolo if he's playing two guys who will
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  Speaker 1: throw you the ball, so you know, put him out there,
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  Speaker 1: see if he can hunt one down.
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  Speaker 5: You know, I mean, they need the interceptions. I don't know.
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  Speaker 6: I'm probably in between Evan and I don't share like
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  Speaker 6: the excitement of watching J. C.
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  Speaker 5: Jackson on the season. I think they just had to
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  Speaker 5: do it.
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  Speaker 6: But at this point they got to get healthy in
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  Speaker 6: that secondary and they got to start getting some takeaways too,
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  Speaker 6: and so maybe he can help in that regard.
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  Speaker 3: To I don't know if it's necessarily excitement about watching
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  Speaker 3: him individually. I think it's more about, like, Okay, now
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  Speaker 3: you have another NFL caliber corner that you're putting out there.
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  Speaker 3: I frankly, I don't think Sean Wade is an NFL
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  Speaker 3: caliber corner and the fact that you had to play
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  Speaker 3: him forty to fifty snaps the last couple of weeks.
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  Speaker 3: It was a real death. I mean the Cowboys just
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  Speaker 3: went right after him, like right out of the gate,
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  Speaker 3: you know, no messing around, eleven personnel whatever.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, we go, they got a good.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, here we go. Where's twenty six?
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  Speaker 8: Right?
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  Speaker 3: Like that was the game?
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  Speaker 6: Yeah, So I hope I'm not stealing Jim Murray's version
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  Speaker 6: of that. But he did a great version of Felgrim as.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, no, and I saw the compilation online today
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  Speaker 1: and it sounded just like him.
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  Speaker 3: It was good.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but it is kind of like why are cadences?
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  Speaker 5: Like why does everyone say green green nineteen or white
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  Speaker 5: white white eighty white eighty?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Why? I don't know. Is there like a science behind
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  Speaker 5: cadences show?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a good question though, like where
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  Speaker 1: do cadences come from?
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  Speaker 6: Like Brady's so distinct, like you always all fuck out,
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  Speaker 6: you know, like you can hear it, but you know,
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  Speaker 6: just I don't know. I mean, everybody who's played football
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  Speaker 6: in those day and then you get up there and
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  Speaker 6: you say white eighty, and like why do we.
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  Speaker 1: Say white whatever happened to down set right?
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  Speaker 3: Too predictable? Need something different.
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  Speaker 5: Like technobile hot hot Hute.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do hut we were NFL blitz technobiles.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's a good, good side story, good feature.
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  Speaker 1: Where do cadences come from? Yeah? And like who had
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  Speaker 1: you know some of the more unique cadences over the
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  Speaker 1: history of football. It might be a Friday question for Bill.
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  Speaker 3: I'll work. I'll work on that, you know, I'll bet.
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  Speaker 6: Your Bill would have it thirty five minutes later. Yeah,
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  Speaker 6: white eighties does it some kind of like rhythm? I
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  Speaker 6: mean there is a little like it's kind of fun
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  Speaker 6: to say white eighty you know, like, yeah, it comes
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  Speaker 6: off the tongue at Green Knights.
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  Speaker 1: When I when the first time I heard that, I
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  Speaker 1: was at Bryant College at training camp, and I thought
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  Speaker 1: they were saying white lady for some reason. Why are
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  Speaker 1: they saying white lady? White lady? Yes? Right, all right,
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  Speaker 1: that's topic for another day.
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  Speaker 6: So just a real quick thing, you know, when that
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  Speaker 6: day is, I don't take that one off. So I
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  Speaker 6: got a little I got a little frustrated this morning.
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  Speaker 6: So they went back and watched the twenty to not
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  Speaker 6: the all of it, but a little the twenty twenty
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  Speaker 6: one game out here against the Saints, and it was
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  Speaker 6: like I was watching a carbon copy of.
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  Speaker 5: The Patriots team that we have right now, where it
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  Speaker 5: was like fell into a hole.
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  Speaker 6: Mac Jones comes out in the third quarter, first pass,
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  Speaker 6: there was a pick six, you know, like just couldn't
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  Speaker 6: ever get anything. And it's just like not to start
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  Speaker 6: it on a negative note, but it's just kind of
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  Speaker 6: to watch that and be like, God, we're still fighting
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  Speaker 6: the same exact things that we fought last year, coming
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  Speaker 6: out slow, getting into a hole, not being able. Then
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  Speaker 6: at the end they finally get within eight points. As
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  Speaker 6: Paul mentioned, Taysom Hill leads a charge down the.
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  Speaker 5: Field, they put it away, they add another touchdown.
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  Speaker 6: So it just was a little bit of perspective this
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  Speaker 6: morning looking at this Saints team, being like, how the
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  Speaker 6: heck did we lose? Like, you know, you see high
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  Speaker 6: Tower out there, you know, you see some guys that
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  Speaker 6: you know, you think would have changed things a little bit.
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  Speaker 6: But it was just kind of like watching the same
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  Speaker 6: team that they're rolling out right now, is the same
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  Speaker 6: kind of stuff happening in that game which which they lost,
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  Speaker 6: And I mean, I think that was the third game
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  Speaker 6: of Max career. It was the third worst passer rating
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  Speaker 6: between the Buffalo game and then the Chicago game that
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  Speaker 6: he just briefly kind of made an appearance for a quarter.
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  Speaker 5: So you know, that Saints team.
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  Speaker 6: I know it's different and it's changed, but it was
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  Speaker 6: one of his worst performances, you know, up until last weekend.
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  Speaker 5: Something to think about.
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  Speaker 1: Weather is possible rain about fifty.
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  Speaker 6: I'm not doing it this week, Fred, Yeah, I'm playing
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  Speaker 6: positively whatever.
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  Speaker 1: Possible rain on Sunday. But you know, we'll see about
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  Speaker 1: that as we get closer. But yeah, I mean I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, like how how is the Saints when it
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  Speaker 1: comes to pressure compared to what we saw last week
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  Speaker 1: with the Cowboys?
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  Speaker 3: Not great, Bob No, not a great pressuring front. I mean, Cameron,
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  Speaker 3: Jordan and Granderson are still good players on the edge,
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  Speaker 3: but this is easily the worst front that they've played
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  Speaker 3: so far.
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  Speaker 6: I think Grantish is just two and a half sacks,
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  Speaker 6: and I mean it's not very productive.
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  Speaker 4: They're in the twenties and sack percentage per pass play,
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  Speaker 4: which is very atypical of a Saints defense. They're usually
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  Speaker 4: pretty tough upfront, but they have not gotten off to
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  Speaker 4: a good start in that department.
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  Speaker 3: I think they're thirty first in pressure rate. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 3: they're they're not a very that that in that sense,
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  Speaker 3: this is a weakness on weakness matchup. They're not a
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  Speaker 3: great pass rush and the Patriots are not great at
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  Speaker 3: pass protection, so which everyone can be not stinky.
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  Speaker 1: But maybe it's gonna be maybe a little reprieve from
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  Speaker 1: last week in that just that. Yeah, and just that
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  Speaker 1: category for for Mac, you know, maybe you'll have a
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  Speaker 1: little bit more time. I think he had more time
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  Speaker 1: than he thought he did last week.
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  Speaker 6: But I you know, I just wonder if he was
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  Speaker 6: primed to like fall apart because they were so worried
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  Speaker 6: about Parsons and then once it started happening, it just
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  Speaker 6: kind of exacerbated it and that's when he lost his mind.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know he I mean, he he spoke
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  Speaker 3: this morning just recently, a couple of minutes ago, and
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  Speaker 3: I thought he was pretty telling what he said about how,
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  Speaker 3: you know, his process. He's got to be one of
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  Speaker 3: those guys that plays within the structure of the scheme,
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  Speaker 3: and he admitted that he didn't do that on Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: And you know, I think he kind of, like Mike said,
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  Speaker 3: like kind of lost his mind. Like I don't think he.
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  Speaker 3: I think he sort of lost track of you know,
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  Speaker 3: what are we running? What are what are the reads?
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  Speaker 3: What are the routes in this play call? And like
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  Speaker 3: what is the process for the quarterback? And he's one
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  Speaker 3: of those guys that if he's not checking off those
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  Speaker 3: boxes of all right, you know, this is what I'm
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  Speaker 3: doing pre snap, this is what the read is, this
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  Speaker 3: is what the routes are, this is the intention of
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  Speaker 3: the play, and he just starts to just kind of
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  Speaker 3: have a free for all. Then that's what it's going
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  Speaker 3: to look like.
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  Speaker 1: If he said that this morning and I did miss
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  Speaker 1: his press conference, then you know that that's what the
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  Speaker 1: message from his offensive coordinator was after the game is,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you've got to stay within the pro pro here.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're not Brett Favre. You know you're not
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  Speaker 1: a gun slinger. You got to this is this what
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  Speaker 1: we call for. You got to do it.
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  Speaker 6: It's got to be a terrifying place to be as
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  Speaker 6: a quarterback when you feel like you're just not locked
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  Speaker 6: into the game and each play you're running, I mean,
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  Speaker 6: it's just it's such a dangerous sport as it is that.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, you could get yourself killed back there as
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  Speaker 6: a quarterback if you don't know where the pressure is
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  Speaker 6: gonna come from, or you.
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  Speaker 5: Know, when you got to get the ball out, where
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  Speaker 5: you got to get the ball out quick? Who's your
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  Speaker 5: hot guy? All those things?
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  Speaker 4: So I hope.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, I'm kind of starting to write about it,
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  Speaker 6: and you know, tend to watch and stuff of. Just
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  Speaker 6: like I said yesterday, give him Mack a chance to
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  Speaker 6: bounce back this week. It's a long season. I don't
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  Speaker 6: need to, you know, make them walk the plank right now.
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  Speaker 6: But I think that there's a lot of pressure on
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  Speaker 6: him for this game, at least to you know, as
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  Speaker 6: Evan said, the pressure rate isn't great. So I mean,
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  Speaker 6: you know it's not like we all think Max okay
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  Speaker 6: when when when he's protected, But can our offensive line
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  Speaker 6: protect against even this out front?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, here's a fast start for him anyway, because
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  Speaker 1: if there isn't, you got the hometown fans here and
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  Speaker 1: they're not going to be quiet.
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  Speaker 4: Do you think that that there's a leash for Mac.
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  Speaker 1: In this game?
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  Speaker 3: Like if he messes up, well, I mean, if it's
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  Speaker 3: if it's shaky early.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think he makes a move shaky No, but
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  Speaker 1: like if he throws a pick six or just it's
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  Speaker 1: just out of his mind. I think, yeah, I think
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  Speaker 1: they get him out of there because it's just gonna
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  Speaker 1: get it's just gonna snowball.
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  Speaker 5: Well that's the sphere, right. But I think it's a
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  Speaker 5: good question by Paul, like what do you got? What
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: do you what do you think going into the game.
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: And I don't have an answer. I don't know.
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: I don't know what Bill's thinking. So I just it's
• 14:28
  Speaker 4: like one.
• 14:29
  Speaker 5: Of those things you know when you see it and
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: you feel But I but I just be extra primed for.
• 14:32
  Speaker 6: That because how we fell apart last week and how
• 14:35
  Speaker 6: it did snowball on and they have to consider, you
• 14:38
  Speaker 6: need this win so much.
• 14:39
  Speaker 5: We can't let Mac lose this game this week.
• 14:41
  Speaker 6: If he doesn't have it again, we got to get
• 14:42
  Speaker 6: him out of there quicker, you know, and try to
• 14:44
  Speaker 6: and try to find I guess Zappi in.
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: There to you know, stop the bleeding and maybe put
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: something together.
• 14:49
  Speaker 1: I gotta, you know, you wonder like, okay, well, they
• 14:52
  Speaker 1: protect him within the game plan. In other words, like
• 14:56
  Speaker 1: whatever they decide, this is what we're gonna do at
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: least in the first half, is Jets? Is it?
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Is it conservative with the goal of we're gonna protect
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: our quarterback here, we're gonna simplify things. And if you
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: do that then again and then it comes down to
• 15:10
  Speaker 1: your defense keeping your win the game.
• 15:12
  Speaker 6: You know, I mean their nineteenth in Blitz, right, so
• 15:14
  Speaker 6: you know it sounds like you know, generally they're gonna
• 15:16
  Speaker 6: be a team that's just gonna do what they do
• 15:17
  Speaker 6: with their front four, So you know that, I mean,
• 15:19
  Speaker 6: that should be a favorable matchup. I think Evan and
• 15:22
  Speaker 6: I were even talking a little bit about like, is
• 15:24
  Speaker 6: now the time to make some changes on the offensive line?
• 15:26
  Speaker 6: Is this the point where you consider, like he suggested
• 15:29
  Speaker 6: yesterday with moving them when you or doing something about
• 15:31
  Speaker 6: with Darian Lowe trying to give Calvin Anderson another chance
• 15:34
  Speaker 6: over there is Riley Reef out there.
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: When Kevin goes out to Kevin.
• 15:38
  Speaker 6: Kevin, Eric, Kevin, I'm gonna call you, Kevin for not
• 15:42
  Speaker 6: you know, is that is it time to really try
• 15:44
  Speaker 6: to drill down on the offensive line because I think,
• 15:46
  Speaker 6: you know, I don't think Max's gonna be set up
• 15:48
  Speaker 6: for success if if they're giving up, you know, eight
• 15:50
  Speaker 6: nine pressures a game off the right tackles edge.
• 15:52
  Speaker 5: It's just it's not.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, it's it's that bad, Like it's that bad
• 15:59
  Speaker 3: that you have to you almost have to do something
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: drastic along the offensive line, like maybe it's Reef, Like
• 16:05
  Speaker 3: maybe Reef is healthy and you couldn't. But he's got
• 16:11
  Speaker 3: to be better than what he's got.
• 16:12
  Speaker 9: To be, right.
• 16:13
  Speaker 6: I still don't know how Calvin Anderson is in or
• 16:15
  Speaker 6: how you know at this point, City so comes off
• 16:17
  Speaker 6: the rush unless maybe he's back in the mix.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: But all those guys were disastered.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: But as Evan said yesterday, let's let's get the best
• 16:26
  Speaker 1: five guys out there. Yeah, yeah, let's get the best
• 16:29
  Speaker 1: five out there.
• 16:29
  Speaker 6: And I'd say, like to Paul's point, so yes in
• 16:32
  Speaker 6: the back yes question which fuck?
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: So?
• 16:36
  Speaker 3: I I think it's pretty clear at this point that
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: your best four at the moment is Trent, Andrews, Big Mic,
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: and Antonio Mafi.
• 16:46
  Speaker 1: Not cold Strange, No, not cold strange, wow, miss not
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: not at Fred strange idea.
• 16:57
  Speaker 4: So when you Andrews, Mafi, Trent Brown, who's the fifth?
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: I think it will be cold Strange because I think
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: you have to go down with that ship unfortunately, Like
• 17:06
  Speaker 3: you drafted the guy in the.
• 17:07
  Speaker 4: First round, but you said, just go with the five best.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: So who do you think is the fifth best?
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: Oh God, you're asking you're asking me to pick out
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: of like what I would I would say cold Strange
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: is probably the best. In terms, it is the fifth best.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: So would you want it Strange at left guard, Mafi
• 17:24
  Speaker 4: at right guard, at right tackle?
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: Correct, Yeah, it's not a bad You're you're a month
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: in and it's been an abject disaster on the offensive line,
• 17:35
  Speaker 3: Like literally an abject disaster. I've never seen a Patriots
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: offensive line look like this.
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: Would you say, now at this point, it's ability or communication?
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: I would say it's ability. Like they can't block anybody.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: They can't they can't run the ball, they can't pass protect.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Their right tackle is a turnstile. Whoever they put out there,
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: whether it's Calvin Anderson Orvidarian Low like this, this like
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: frustrates me to no end for two reasons. One, we
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: we knew this, like you knew you knew this was
• 18:02
  Speaker 3: coming at right tackle, you knew you had no good
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: right tackles, and you did it anyways. And two, like
• 18:08
  Speaker 3: offensive line play is like relatively simple. It's it's relatively
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: simple in the sense that like you block inside out,
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: just just don't let the guy beat you to the
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: inside and then try your best to funnel him to
• 18:20
  Speaker 3: the outside. And they they can't even do the fundamentally get.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: Somewhat complicated when the other team is playing games and
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: you have to communicate.
• 18:28
  Speaker 3: But teams aren't like teams are stunting, but every team stunts,
• 18:33
  Speaker 3: like they the Cowboys just ran, like they just lined
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: up their four guys and they just beat you like
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: a drop all night long, like that's all they did.
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: Like it wasn't they didn't. They put Parsons over Vederian
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: Low and they just rushed four guys the whole game.
• 18:46
  Speaker 3: And that's that's that's you know, that's hard for the quarterback.
• 18:51
  Speaker 3: That that Even with Brady, we always used to say
• 18:53
  Speaker 3: that if you can get home with four and you
• 18:54
  Speaker 3: can drop seven in coverage, that's your formula. Mac is
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: one of those quarters. And I think because if you
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: start blitzing and taking guys out of coverage, like he'll
• 19:04
  Speaker 3: know where to go with the ball to beat the blitz.
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: Last year he didn't know where to go with the ball.
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: But I think that was more about coaching and coordination
• 19:11
  Speaker 3: this year with Bill O'Brien, I think he would know
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: where his hots are, know where his outlets are. If
• 19:17
  Speaker 3: you did bring pressure, they're just getting home with four.
• 19:22
  Speaker 3: They gotta do something with the offensive line. They absolutely have.
• 19:25
  Speaker 4: What I would do if I were a defensive coordinator
• 19:27
  Speaker 4: along the lines of what Evan's talking about is I
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: would make sure absolutely huge part of my game plan.
• 19:34
  Speaker 4: I need to hit him on the first or second series.
• 19:37
  Speaker 4: I need to hit him early, and then he'll think
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: about that, because I think we've seen that, you know,
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: throughout some of these throughout some of these games. I
• 19:47
  Speaker 4: think when he gets hit and knocked around early and
• 19:49
  Speaker 4: now that clock goes faster for him, and then you
• 19:52
  Speaker 4: don't have to go like way out of your comfort
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: zone if you don't blitz a lot. I wouldn't suggest
• 19:56
  Speaker 4: blitzing him a lot, because I think Evan's right. I
• 19:58
  Speaker 4: think he you know, lot of times those are the
• 20:00
  Speaker 4: easy throws to make. Is the quick you know, get
• 20:04
  Speaker 4: the ball out quick, no thought to be had. You
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: have a hot guy and you just go to him. Yeah,
• 20:08
  Speaker 4: and that's what he did against Philadelphia a lot.
• 20:10
  Speaker 6: I think this is a place to Paul, I think
• 20:12
  Speaker 6: your philosophy i'd like to see which is I'd like
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: to see so again. I know he wasn't good, but
• 20:17
  Speaker 6: like Jake Andrews, like they have you know, four fifths
• 20:21
  Speaker 6: of their offensive line are going to be free agents three,
• 20:23
  Speaker 6: you know, at least three of them.
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: So they got to.
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: Figure out what they have with those guys. I'd love
• 20:28
  Speaker 5: to see, you know, more of so just to give
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: him another chance, maybe he can play right tackle.
• 20:32
  Speaker 6: I just I wouldn't be opposed to getting a young
• 20:34
  Speaker 6: guy who's under contract, who has some potential. The question
• 20:37
  Speaker 6: for me was just Jake Andrews, Like, how do you
• 20:39
  Speaker 6: get Jake Andrews in there? What's Jake Andrew's gonna do?
• 20:41
  Speaker 5: Is he gonna be on him until I know, well,
• 20:43
  Speaker 5: I don't know, I don't know.
• 20:44
  Speaker 4: I just didn't think he looks in the summer but
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: never But to the point like I would rather I
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: like Evan's sort of hypothetical there, but I even if
• 20:56
  Speaker 4: if it doesn't go to that, I would rather see
• 20:58
  Speaker 4: Calvin Anderson get another check because I STI kind of
• 21:00
  Speaker 4: considering a younger guy even though he's not you know,
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: he's not a rookie. He was bad. Like the Miami
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: game was really bad for him. Like, I'm not an offense.
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: I think he was. I think he was worse than Erian.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, in that game. I absolutely would agree.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: But maybe you know, you step back and you look
• 21:17
  Speaker 4: a little bit, maybe he you know, he wasn't really
• 21:20
  Speaker 4: ready yet, you know, based on all the time.
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: At least Vaderian Lowe has been like a speed bump
• 21:24
  Speaker 3: to the quarterback, like because he usually gets his hands
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: on the guy. He was really bad in the Miami game,
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: you know, Calvin Anderson, it just wasn't it was you know, Ola,
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: Like it wasn't even getting his hands on people. City
• 21:36
  Speaker 3: So at left guard is interesting to me because that's
• 21:38
  Speaker 3: where he played in college, was left guard, and that's
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: like his natural position. So if you wanted to convince
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: me to have City So at left guard and Mafia
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: at right guard and on when it had tackled and like,
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: I can buy into that. I just don't think that
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: they'll move off Cold Strange.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Maybe maybe maybe you put Cole Strange at right guard.
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: I think that they're pretty settled with him being a
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: left card. But you I mean, maybe it's a really.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Bad place for any team to be playing musical chairs
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: with your offensive line.
• 22:09
  Speaker 3: What time is practicing one tenth one tent while?
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Because I think this is one of the more interesting
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: Evan is returned from practices, what we're going to have
• 22:17
  Speaker 4: because I think, yeah, the Wooten will be out there.
• 22:20
  Speaker 4: I would think based on the way everybody seems to
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: be reacting. But will you see Riley Reef? Will you
• 22:25
  Speaker 4: see anybody else?
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Uh?
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: That that is.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Kind of flowers?
• 22:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that will really bumm me out too.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Riley Reef is an interesting one. Like if even if
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: he even if he's just an okay run blocker, like
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: they're dead last in the league and run blocking like
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: they can't they don't block the run well. So even
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: if you can just get you know, to Fred's point
• 22:47
  Speaker 3: of like getting you know, off to a good start,
• 22:50
  Speaker 3: and like their early down offense is brutal like that
• 22:53
  Speaker 3: a lot of people. I feel like we always talk
• 22:55
  Speaker 3: about third down and this like it's a sexy down.
• 22:58
  Speaker 3: The first and second down is the team that move
• 23:00
  Speaker 3: the ball well and score a lot of points are
• 23:02
  Speaker 3: great on first and second down. Yeah, they run the ball,
• 23:04
  Speaker 3: they play action off of it, they have different things
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: to work off of first and second down. That's like
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: the foundation of your off.
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: At the Cowboys. I don't know the actual stats, you
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: guys probably know, but like what were the their average
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: second down? Like I saw, I remember a lot of
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: second in threes, you know, like that. In other words,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: good first down.
• 23:22
  Speaker 4: Play Those are the Brandon Cooks throws.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: I think three.
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: I think he cut four passes. I bet your three
• 23:28
  Speaker 4: of them were on first downs. That created like second
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: and three and second and two.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Then that opens up your playbook, It makes it easier,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: takes the pressure off everybody that's living. That's that's good living.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: If you're on an offense.
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: Well, and then if you're good offensively and you're consistently
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: in those kinds of situations, that's when you make big plays,
• 23:44
  Speaker 4: right when you know when you get seven on first
• 23:47
  Speaker 4: down and you say to yourself, I have this first down, let's.
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: Just do a QB sneak.
• 23:53
  Speaker 6: Right seethings, but they happen in two we can just
• 23:57
  Speaker 6: pick up a first down.
• 23:57
  Speaker 3: They have to figure out a way to run the ball.
• 23:59
  Speaker 3: They have to figure out a way to run the ball.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: If they can't run the ball, they're screwed. And if
• 24:04
  Speaker 3: that means putting Riley Reef at right tackle just because
• 24:07
  Speaker 3: he's kind of like that hard nosed run blocker type
• 24:10
  Speaker 3: of player, then fine, if that at least gives you
• 24:12
  Speaker 3: something so at left guard because he's a better run
• 24:16
  Speaker 3: blocker than Strange, like whatever the equation is. They have
• 24:19
  Speaker 3: to figure out how to run the football because that's
• 24:22
  Speaker 3: they're only you know, play action in sixteen percent of
• 24:25
  Speaker 3: the time. It's not enough with this quarterback. He needs
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: to play action to be closer to thirty percent of
• 24:29
  Speaker 3: the time. But you can't sequence all of that stuff
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: together if you're not running the ball.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Well, you know, they might just have to bite the bullet,
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: play a lot of tackle eligible, just bring the guy
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: in just for an extra blocker, or go twelve, but
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: make it farough, you know as the extra blocker you
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: know in there, and just you know, limit your options
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: you know, downfield. But like you just might have to
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: do that.
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: They're tight ends, Like now that I'm on this whole
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: thing about the run game, they're tight ends. Stink at
• 24:59
  Speaker 3: run blocking. They stay. Pharaoh is like better than Henry
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: and Gasicki, but it's not like he's like a game
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: changing run blocker, Like he's just better than what they
• 25:09
  Speaker 3: have and they have to run thirteen personnel because none
• 25:13
  Speaker 3: of their tight ends can block. Yeah, so that's it.
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: And on top of that, I think one thing that
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: O'Brien can kind of help them out with is like,
• 25:20
  Speaker 3: can we stop using the tight ends at the point
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: of attack in the running game because they can't block.
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: So like having you know, running to the strength of
• 25:28
  Speaker 3: the formation where the tight ends are is doing you
• 25:31
  Speaker 3: no good because those guys can't block. So let's maybe
• 25:34
  Speaker 3: run it away from the tight end, or let's not
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: use Mike Gisiki as a lead blocker, you know, coming
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: through the hole, because he's not kicking anybody out. So
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: they've had Gasiki block way more than he should. Henry
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: is just not a very good blocker, and Pharaoh Brown
• 25:49
  Speaker 3: is what he is, and that that's where you're at
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: with the tight end.
• 25:53
  Speaker 6: It's just an interesting shift in philosophy to me because
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: I feel like they got more out of like a
• 25:57
  Speaker 6: Dan Graham type who you know is probably more on
• 25:59
  Speaker 6: the blocking and but allowed the run game to excel,
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: allowed the passing game around him to excel, and you know,
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: they didn't add Ferol Brown until after cuts, you know,
• 26:08
  Speaker 6: and so this is something that they've known that they've had.
• 26:11
  Speaker 6: When they had Hunter Henry and then they signed gets Sicky,
• 26:13
  Speaker 6: they knew they weren't getting another you know, legit blocking.
• 26:16
  Speaker 5: But it's it's just been.
• 26:18
  Speaker 6: A problem for me a lot of these times when
• 26:19
  Speaker 6: you just see these plays and it's like Hunter Henry
• 26:21
  Speaker 6: just he just doesn't get any push, you know, there's
• 26:23
  Speaker 6: not and I think you know, and it all connects,
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: like we talked about how the offensive line just can't
• 26:27
  Speaker 6: get to the second level and get guys blocked beyond
• 26:29
  Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage.
• 26:30
  Speaker 5: At best, it's going to be maybe a stalemate. Maybe
• 26:33
  Speaker 5: they get a little bit of a push.
• 26:34
  Speaker 6: But there's never you know, guys climbing to the second
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: level and we're getting blocks on linebackers and safeties. It's
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: you know, it's like maybe Remander breaks a couple of
• 26:42
  Speaker 6: tackles and is able to get eight yards, but that's
• 26:45
  Speaker 6: about the best that their run game can do right now.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: They've been chasing offense since Brady left, and you know,
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: it's it's not that.
• 26:52
  Speaker 6: So it's just like bug me about watching the twenty
• 26:54
  Speaker 6: twenty one game because it's like it's Agualore out there.
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: It's John hus Smith like, and it's just like they're
• 26:59
  Speaker 6: all the same kind of guy guys, you know, like
• 27:01
  Speaker 6: they catch the ball, they get out of bounds, there's
• 27:02
  Speaker 6: no big plays there, you know.
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: It's it's been the same thing.
• 27:05
  Speaker 6: So I imagine everybody's as sick of it as we are,
• 27:08
  Speaker 6: and just hopefully they can turn the corner at some
• 27:10
  Speaker 6: point here. But I don't know what's going to take.
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: All right. Eight five five PATS five hundred is the
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: A Sticket hotline web radio at Patriots dot com is
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: the email address.
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: Jason mccordy's really rocking these uh these overallasy.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: He likes to show off a little bit.
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would too. I look like him. I
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: never put my shirt.
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: I know, he looks like he's a little when he.
• 27:33
  Speaker 3: Was here in the locker put his shirt on. Pencils.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the phones. Lots of emails
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: once again, like yesterday. People want to chime in and
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: I understand, so let's get to it. Matthews in New Mexico,
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: what's up, Matthew. Matthew, Hey, a little Morse code in
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: the back.
• 27:57
  Speaker 10: I'm with it, and like we have to show that
• 27:58
  Speaker 10: we can block a whole game and like just be consistent,
• 28:03
  Speaker 10: no matter if that's kick on waiting after the right
• 28:05
  Speaker 10: or whatever. We have to do, Like they have to
• 28:07
  Speaker 10: show that they can block. And Cameron Cameron Jordan's no joke,
• 28:11
  Speaker 10: you know. But my question for you guys is like
• 28:15
  Speaker 10: another hypothetical. So we know that we're not taking So
• 28:18
  Speaker 10: it's just a hypothetical, like we're like seven to ten
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: or fifteen or whatever in the draft, and we go, like,
• 28:27
  Speaker 10: you know, we change the regime to Ben Jonson, Like
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: do you if you're Ben Jonson, if you're Robert Kraft,
• 28:33
  Speaker 10: do you guys give him a chance to like work
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: with Max and see what they can do and I
• 28:37
  Speaker 10: try to, you know, bring him back. Or if we're
• 28:41
  Speaker 10: in like that middle of the range in the draft,
• 28:43
  Speaker 10: should we still try to get a quarterback or even
• 28:46
  Speaker 10: go in the free agency and try to get a
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: veteran and.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: There, thanks, thanks Matthew, listen. I mean, if Max, if
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Max here, obviously he's got to work with him. But
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I like, if you're in seven to fifteen and the
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: guy you love, you know they're gonna scout quarterbacks, Okay,
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: they're not going to go into you know, this college
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: season not looking at quarterbacks. If the guy they love
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: is available at seven to fifteen, you can get them,
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: you get them. I don't care if you've decided to
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: keep Mac or you still got to get him, you're
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: you're in the quarterback market. If if there's a guy
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: you love and he's available.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: Except to the new regime, you if you move on
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: from Bill, whoever comes in is probably going to be
• 29:30
  Speaker 4: a coach and a GM. Yeah, it's up to that.
• 29:33
  Speaker 4: I don't care if, like if Ben Johnson says like, yeah, no,
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: I've watched a lot of Mac Jones, and I think
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: it's fixable. I think we have there's plenty here to
• 29:41
  Speaker 4: work with, and that's what he wants.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: That's fine.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: But if he on the flip side he says we
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: need to do better at that position, then you have
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: to figure out how you go from there.
• 29:53
  Speaker 5: This guy can't do what I want to do.
• 29:54
  Speaker 6: I mean, I would say, right now as we sit here,
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: my you know philosophy, right or wrong would be to
• 29:58
  Speaker 6: retain Mac and get that high round pick on a
• 30:01
  Speaker 6: weapon of some sort, whether it's a wide receiver or
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: tight end.
• 30:04
  Speaker 5: You know, somebody who really moves the needle. Give Mac
• 30:07
  Speaker 5: a chance.
• 30:07
  Speaker 6: For a year to two years, and if he does too,
• 30:11
  Speaker 6: you've gotten out. You've gotten out with Mac when his
• 30:13
  Speaker 6: contract ends. I mean, that's just you know, my my
• 30:16
  Speaker 6: thinking of it is, it's been so hard to find
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: weapons that really move the needle, and I just.
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: I struggle with happening with what happened to Mac.
• 30:24
  Speaker 6: I almost think they got lucky with Mac because we see,
• 30:27
  Speaker 6: we saw what happened kind of in that middle range,
• 30:28
  Speaker 6: and we can talk about fields if he was here
• 30:30
  Speaker 6: and how it might look different.
• 30:31
  Speaker 5: But I just hate the idea of being like, we
• 30:33
  Speaker 5: got the fourth best quarterback in the draft. You know,
• 30:35
  Speaker 5: we picked the fourth quarterback, Like I.
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: If you can get one or two, I feel pretty
• 30:39
  Speaker 6: good about it. But what are the chances that they're like, well,
• 30:41
  Speaker 6: we actually like the fourth quarterback best, like you know,
• 30:44
  Speaker 6: and that's what we're kind of sol.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: Well Mac Mac to really believe that, not not, that's
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: just the public relations.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: So yeah, it doesn't have to be a draft pick
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: if you don't have if you can't get the guy
• 30:54
  Speaker 4: you want, like Fred said, if there's the guy that
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: you want, then take him. But if you don't if
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: the guy you want isn't there, then yeah, then you
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: have to find another way to go about it. If
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: you've decided to move on, and like you know, like
• 31:04
  Speaker 4: we threw out there yesterday, Kirk Cousins, while you're waiting
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: to get in position to get the guy for the future.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Like I think that everybody just is so soured on
• 31:13
  Speaker 4: the draft and this is my boy, and I'll go
• 31:16
  Speaker 4: in and get yelled at today later, you know, Mike is,
• 31:19
  Speaker 4: like Felger is just so adamantly opposed to going back
• 31:22
  Speaker 4: in the draft and try to get a quote back
• 31:23
  Speaker 4: because quote it never works when there's a litany of
• 31:26
  Speaker 4: teams that have done it with first round draft because
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: almost all these guys are first round picks, and if
• 31:33
  Speaker 4: you want one of them, you generally you just got
• 31:36
  Speaker 4: to hit on it. It's not easy. I get that
• 31:38
  Speaker 4: that there's a lot of guys that get taken in
• 31:40
  Speaker 4: the first round that crap out, but there's a lot
• 31:44
  Speaker 4: of Josh Allen's, Patrick Mahomes's and Joe Burrows that don't.
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: You have to find one that doesn't.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Who was saying this is while Brady was here. I
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: don't know if it was somebody on our team. But
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: somebody said you should take a quarterback every year.
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: In the draft. In the draft, I'm gonna believeab.
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: That's a run of yes, yes, yeah, Okay, that's where
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: I packers.
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: And you know, it's just good business.
• 32:05
  Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean the Patriots.
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: Almost do yep, yeah, Bill, Bill strongly.
• 32:10
  Speaker 3: Even when Brady was here, they they drafted like eight
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: other quarterbacks or something like that with Brady and I.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: Could yeah, I mean, we could cover you some names
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: and you'd forget all about them.
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: But like, you know, the.
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: Cliff Kingsbury's and the Zach Robinson's of the world. It's
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: not just like I was gonna say, it's not just
• 32:25
  Speaker 4: high picks like Rohan Davey and Kevin O'Connell. You know,
• 32:28
  Speaker 4: Matt Castle, seventh round guy who didn't even start in college.
• 32:32
  Speaker 4: You know that just it's just good business to draft
• 32:35
  Speaker 4: and try to develop quarterbacks.
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: All right, Let's see, we'll go to Eric in New Jersey.
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: What's up? Eric?
• 32:42
  Speaker 11: Hey, guys, the J P. Jackson. You know again, it's
• 32:47
  Speaker 11: just you know, we're plugging holes. I get it would
• 32:49
  Speaker 11: have been criminal just to ride out with you know,
• 32:51
  Speaker 11: Bryan Wade and then whatever you're going to get back.
• 32:54
  Speaker 8: From the Jones guys.
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: I mean, it would have been criminal.
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Just I agree with that, but it's the you're.
• 33:00
  Speaker 11: Just plugging holds. I mean, jac had he also had
• 33:03
  Speaker 11: ankle surgery this summer. Again. You know, I don't think
• 33:07
  Speaker 11: I didn't have high aspirations for this team. I think
• 33:09
  Speaker 11: you know, Paul's right, you know we're gonna get the
• 33:10
  Speaker 11: corpse to trade Flowers. That's called Dante. Let's bring the
• 33:13
  Speaker 11: gang back. I just don't I mean, Bill know you
• 33:17
  Speaker 11: can trade for offensive players.
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: Again.
• 33:19
  Speaker 11: I'm not saying that, you know, you gotta go break,
• 33:21
  Speaker 11: you know, break the world here, but this some something
• 33:24
  Speaker 11: out there and I'll take it off the line.
• 33:25
  Speaker 9: Thanks, guys.
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, is this the time to do a
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: blockbuster trade? No?
• 33:31
  Speaker 4: And that like, and I'm not I'm not like storming
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: the best deal because they traded for J. C.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: Jackson. I get it.
• 33:39
  Speaker 4: Evan's probably right. I'm being stubborn about this that you
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: have Sean Wade and you need better than Sean Wade.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: I you know, I kind of look at it a
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: little bit more like the caller, just in terms of
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: my thoughts on the ensuing three months of the season.
• 33:56
  Speaker 4: But I understand why Bill can't look at it that way.
• 33:59
  Speaker 4: He can't there They're in the middle of an NFL.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: It's like if someone's bleeding and you're not gonna give
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: them stitches, you gotta give them the stitches. But no,
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: but I agree with the call. It'd be criminal to
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: not do something at that position right now. It's not
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: fair to but it's not fair to everybody on the team.
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: I mean you can barely practice with them, you know.
• 34:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean like if this was like at the
• 34:23
  Speaker 3: trade deadline, like a month from now, and they were,
• 34:26
  Speaker 3: you know, two and six or two and seven or
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: whatever the math is, I would say, like, what do
• 34:31
  Speaker 3: you what are you wasting your You're four games into
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: the season, like you still have thirteen games to go.
• 34:36
  Speaker 3: Do I think they're gonna turn it around? No, of
• 34:38
  Speaker 3: course not.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 34:39
  Speaker 3: I think we all don't think that. But like, is
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: there is there a world where where the offense, you know,
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: finally starts to come together with under Bill O'Brien and
• 34:49
  Speaker 3: his scheme starts to take hold and they start to
• 34:51
  Speaker 3: make some plays, And yeah, there is a dream world
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: where that happens, and this gives them a chance to
• 34:56
  Speaker 3: be competitive again on defense.
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and do it.
• 35:01
  Speaker 4: Every time I say something stupid like this, it comes
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: back and on it'll haunt me. Well, they'll I'm just
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: not surprised that he was adding to the defense, let's
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: just put it that way. Well, I know, but at
• 35:12
  Speaker 4: this point, the offense is taking on water Fred, like
• 35:16
  Speaker 4: we're talking about, like there's some injuries in the secondary.
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: They're gonna get somebody. They don't have anybody when they're
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: healthy on offense. And evidently that's fine. Now tomorrow they'll
• 35:25
  Speaker 4: trade for Chase Claypool. They'll get another guy that another
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: team wants out of their building at all costs.
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but if you're bringing somebody on offense,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: you're just you know, you're just.
• 35:36
  Speaker 4: Trying to improve your offense that is non existent.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: But at this point, I don't know if you're going
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: to be able to do that in quarterback. It's at
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: quarterback you have to bring somebody in. It's a it's
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: a numbers game at this point too, not just you know, oh,
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: we got to do better than Sean Wade. We don't
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: have a lot of corners.
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think you don't have any wide receivers,
• 35:59
  Speaker 4: like you don't have any buddy that can make a plan.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: You have wide receivers, but at.
• 36:02
  Speaker 4: Least we could talk like your thing, like all right,
• 36:04
  Speaker 4: let's have Sean Wade equivalent at wide receiver is what
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: you have. For some reason, you're okay with it.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: I I think that's overstating it. I don't.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: I mean, I think Thornton, Douglas, those are the you know, a.
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: Taekwond you know these guys.
• 36:17
  Speaker 6: Get those guys a chance, I mean, or anybody. I mean,
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: how much confidence do you have even if they traded
• 36:22
  Speaker 6: for a wide receiver.
• 36:23
  Speaker 4: I had my my Douglas thing yesterday, like eighteen snaps
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: for him is criminal criminal.
• 36:28
  Speaker 6: So there, I mean, that's the spot I think where
• 36:30
  Speaker 6: you talk about let's get the young guys, let's start
• 36:32
  Speaker 6: to make a move into that. I I just wonder,
• 36:34
  Speaker 6: at some point, are you going to see Douglas playing
• 36:36
  Speaker 6: over Juju.
• 36:37
  Speaker 5: And in the key moments Max Thorny but Douglas.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: But that's the point you kind of have in house
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: resources that you haven't tapped yet that you could still use.
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: That's not the case of cornerback at this point. You know,
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: it's a different situation that they're in.
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: I'm talking myself back into Taekwon, Well I do it
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: every time?
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: Why not?
• 36:57
  Speaker 3: Well, well that's that's the main thing, is why not.
• 37:00
  Speaker 3: But I also thought in training camp, you know, the
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: little bit that we did see and in OTAs in
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: the spring, like, I do think that Bill O'Brien has
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: a plan of how to help him get off the
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: line of scrimmage, so he's not just going one on
• 37:12
  Speaker 3: one against press coverage all the time, which obviously he
• 37:14
  Speaker 3: can't do. And is it gonna be like this high volume, No,
• 37:18
  Speaker 3: of course not, like he's not gonna be a thousand
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: yard receiver, I don't think. But is it gonna bring
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: an element that they don't currently have?
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: It? Could?
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: I mean, the only guy that can run by anybody
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: on their current roster is is Douglas and they don't
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: play him. So it just they have to get some
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: speed on the field on offense, especially on the outside,
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: and maybe Taekwon can do that.
• 37:41
  Speaker 6: Do you think any of it comes at Bourne's expense?
• 37:42
  Speaker 6: I mean, do you think Bourne has done enough to conte.
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: What I kind of what I would love to see?
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: And like I get why you're asking the question because
• 37:48
  Speaker 3: they seem obsessed with Devonte Parker and Juju. They paid
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: him and they're gonna want to play him. But like
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: Pop Douglas, Taekwon, Kendrick Bourne, Mike ISSICKI is like the
• 37:59
  Speaker 3: fastest group that you could put out on the field.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: And I get speed is in everything, but at least
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: like you have some element of dynamic, you know, movers
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: out there at that point, you know, I just they
• 38:11
  Speaker 3: gotta get some speed on the outside, and that's all
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: Taekwon is right now.
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: Donnie's in Pittsburgh. Hey Donnie, Hey all, thanks.
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: For taking the call again. Uh, they're just looking ahead
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: at the Saints. It's gonna be tough to win with
• 38:25
  Speaker 9: the injuries and everything that happened on defense. Uh, I
• 38:28
  Speaker 9: think it's gonna be even tougher to win if they're
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: rolling back out there again and you know, they're not
• 38:32
  Speaker 9: taking him out like you guys said early in the
• 38:34
  Speaker 9: game if he struggles. I know we called yesterday and
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: Evan kind of chuckled, you know, with the suggestion of
• 38:39
  Speaker 9: zappy in any way, and I really respect him. It's
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: knowledge as a football guy. You and Barth are two
• 38:44
  Speaker 9: of my favorites. But I'm looking at it from an
• 38:46
  Speaker 9: organizational standpoint and from the standpoint of his teammates. At
• 38:50
  Speaker 9: what point is it just time? You know? The hunter
• 38:52
  Speaker 9: Henry called Wei for his interview Monday morning. The dude
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: just sounds depressed. He sounds checked out. He's like, they
• 38:58
  Speaker 9: asked him how to fix it. He goes, so, I
• 39:00
  Speaker 9: don't know, stop turning the ball over. You know, It's
• 39:02
  Speaker 9: like the answer is just at quarterback. And you guys
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: are talking about they have to run the ball, they
• 39:07
  Speaker 9: have to do this to help them. They can't do
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: that because opposing defenses don't respect Mac. So it doesn't
• 39:12
  Speaker 9: matter how they line up, they're just not there.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: But they're going to respect Zappy. Like I'm not trying
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: to come at you. I just like, I just don't
• 39:18
  Speaker 3: see how how Zappy changes that that equation, like that
• 39:23
  Speaker 3: they're now all of a sudden, they're not going to
• 39:25
  Speaker 3: stack the box because Bailey Zappi is at quarterback.
• 39:28
  Speaker 9: I think that might actually be true. I don't know
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: as much about football as you. I trust your evaluation
• 39:33
  Speaker 9: of Zappy, but you just look at the one series
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: he had the other day. You know, Parker who was
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: tired and had been running routes all day, all of
• 39:39
  Speaker 9: a sudden, pulls off his signature, moved to the sideline,
• 39:42
  Speaker 9: and the passes they are on time and the defense
• 39:44
  Speaker 9: isn't stacking the box and he's able to get it
• 39:46
  Speaker 9: out in the time the line gives him.
• 39:48
  Speaker 4: What if I told you Zappi played like five series
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: the other day, not one. He played like the last
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: half of the third quarter and all of the fourth.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: And and you remember one.
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: Play and I listen, I thought Zapi looked better in
• 40:04
  Speaker 4: that game than Mac did. But that's really more of
• 40:07
  Speaker 4: an indictment on Mac. I didn't really I thought Zabi
• 40:10
  Speaker 4: did a good job of sliding around and moving a
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: little bit, but you know, he went four for nine.
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: You know, it wasn't like the offense was productive when
• 40:19
  Speaker 4: Zappi went in.
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: It wasn't they also.
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: Point and he was also getting Yeah, he was also
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: getting to play against the Cowboys defense that it decided
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: the game is over and they still couldn't move the ball.
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Apparently the Patriots also decided to correct over. So that
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: I mean, like you can't if you want to point
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: to the last year's games with Bailey Zapi, then like
• 40:41
  Speaker 3: I guess fine, but you can't take anything away from
• 40:44
  Speaker 3: those snaps.
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: Zappian does not make the offense better and and if
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: things go south, putting him in just settles the crowd
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: a little bit. That's all it is. That's that's all
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: There was three series that he that he played and
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: they didn't move the ball and really had one.
• 41:01
  Speaker 6: I think that's the bigger question Fred, other than do
• 41:03
  Speaker 6: they have Mac on a leash? Is if Max starts slow,
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: does the stadium start chanting happy?
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: That's why I brought that up. Yeah, well that's why
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: I'm hoping for it, and I'm wondering starts so that
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: the you know, and like, who cares what the fans thing?
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: It can get ugly, It can get ugly, and you
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: don't want that for anybody. You don't want just because
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: I have to deal.
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: Well, just because Bill doesn't care doesn't mean that the
• 41:24
  Speaker 4: players don't, right, And I just would wonder if this
• 41:27
  Speaker 4: is going to be a situation where they feel like
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: they can't allow him to play a typically sort of
• 41:33
  Speaker 4: unencumbered game plan because for fear that he's gonna because
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: the be all, end all for everything that comes out
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: of that locker room has got to protect the ball
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: turnovers and if they just decide, well, we have to
• 41:44
  Speaker 4: play the way we played against the Jets. Great who
• 41:47
  Speaker 4: was buckle up for a thirteen to ten game, who.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: Was Max teammate last year. That's it. You know, you're hearing,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: you know, cries for he's no longer.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Here, he's on the Raiders.
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: He's now catching eighty games.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: I understand that, but like he you know, players hear
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: this thing. Myself. Players hear this stuff, you know, and
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: not to mention the quarterback who it's all directed at,
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: you know, Yeah, but.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: The I don't necessarily know if it's like like maybe
• 42:13
  Speaker 3: it is conservative. But they they only call they only
• 42:17
  Speaker 3: ran two screens the entire game last week, two screens
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: and some of the some of their RPOs, like we
• 42:23
  Speaker 3: had screens that they didn't throw and they ran the
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: ball and set. But like the bottom like you're facing
• 42:27
  Speaker 3: a pass rush like that and you'll only call two
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: screen passes and the first one was to Zeke in
• 42:32
  Speaker 3: like the second quarter. Like that was just really surprising
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: to me. So like to this point of like conservative
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: offense or like kind of putting the training wheels back on,
• 42:41
  Speaker 3: it's you know, it's play action it's screens, it's quick game,
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: like those are the things that they just didn't really
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: they kind of just like played them toe to toe
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: out of the gate on Sunday, and I think that they,
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: like me, I'm gonna like, they thought that they could
• 42:56
  Speaker 3: just do it right, Like they thought that they would
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: just be able to go toe to tweh with Dallas's defense,
• 43:01
  Speaker 3: and they didn't.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Really.
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: They chipped Parson some and things like that, but they didn't.
• 43:05
  Speaker 3: The play calling itself was not curtailed like it was
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: in Week one against Philly where they called I think
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: fourteen screens or something crazy like that, and they were
• 43:14
  Speaker 3: really careful about down in distance and not allowing the
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: Eagles front to tee off against Mac and things like that.
• 43:22
  Speaker 3: And then this week they just they just kind of
• 43:24
  Speaker 3: threw them out there and you saw what happened. So like,
• 43:27
  Speaker 3: I definitely think that the play calling has to be
• 43:30
  Speaker 3: significantly different. And if that's Conserva makes it conservative, then
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: that makes it conservative.
• 43:34
  Speaker 6: Well.
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: But but going back to like what Max said, I
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: have to stay within the program, and you know, if
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: you said that, I'm sure it's that sentiment is shared
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: with his coaches and so was part of last week's
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: failure Mac not staying in the program, and had he
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: it might have looked a little different. I don't I know, well,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: with the calls that they were calling.
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: There was some place to be made that you missed.
• 43:57
  Speaker 6: I don't know if it would have made a difference in
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: the game, but I think they could have had a
• 44:00
  Speaker 6: little bit more successful.
• 44:01
  Speaker 3: I just think, like one hundred percent it would have
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: been better. But you got to you gotta get back
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: to finding some layups for him in this offense. Like
• 44:11
  Speaker 3: it can't it can't all be like Max look at
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: you know, drops back to pass and it's this progression
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: read and he's got to read out everything and make
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: the right Like. You gotta have some plays on first
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: and second down where it's just even if it's only
• 44:25
  Speaker 3: five yards, like it's just an easy dink and dunk, right,
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: it's just an easy throw, it's a run, it's something
• 44:31
  Speaker 3: like a screen, you know, anything to just kind of
• 44:35
  Speaker 3: get some early down momentum for the offense. Like I
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: think last week they put him in a lot of
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: you know, pretty pretty much like spread the field and
• 44:44
  Speaker 3: make some decisions. Like the very first play of the game,
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: they hit Hunter Henry for a fourteen yard completion on
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: play action and then they just like that was it?
• 44:53
  Speaker 3: You know, it just they gotta when you have a
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: quarterback that's limited like Mac, you gotta do things to
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: help him.
• 45:00
  Speaker 5: Why did they get away from all this stuff?
• 45:01
  Speaker 6: Because it seems like the same conversation we were having
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: last year where it was like they don't run any
• 45:04
  Speaker 6: play action, there's no motion, they're not doing any of
• 45:07
  Speaker 6: the things to help Mac, and yet even when they
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: do a little bit of it and have a little
• 45:11
  Speaker 6: bit of success, it seems like they get away from it.
• 45:13
  Speaker 6: Is it because they don't know Mac or they think
• 45:16
  Speaker 6: Mac can be something that he isn't yet and they're trying.
• 45:18
  Speaker 5: To like force that issue.
• 45:20
  Speaker 6: Like it's just like they seems like they're continually getting
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: away from what he does best and not playing to
• 45:25
  Speaker 6: his strengths and trying to like force him out of
• 45:27
  Speaker 6: his comfort zone.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 45:29
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I just I look at it similarly
• 45:32
  Speaker 3: in that the way that they play they ran the
• 45:36
  Speaker 3: plays last week, it's like they think he's a gunslinger,
• 45:40
  Speaker 3: you know, like they like got when you were in
• 45:43
  Speaker 3: a guy that just like lives in shotgun and they
• 45:45
  Speaker 3: just spread out the field and they just make you
• 45:47
  Speaker 3: just distribute the ball from there like those are like
• 45:50
  Speaker 3: what like Joe Burrow and Josh Allen and Herbert like
• 45:54
  Speaker 3: that's what those guys did see.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think that they want him to do that.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: I think what Mac isn't doing is getting the ball
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: out on time, trusting his receivers and throwing guys open
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: and understanding what NFL Open is compared to Alabama. I know,
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I know we're three years away from it, but you know, uh,
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: I agree more with you friend, you know, like just
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: get rid of the ball on time at the top
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: of the break, not you know, not waiting for this guy.
• 46:19
  Speaker 3: I agree with him too, but I don't know if
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: he can do it consistently.
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: So I don't think he can. But that's that's not
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: that's what we were told he could.
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: Like we were told he's an accurate passer who sees
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: the field. You know, his his superpower is is his brain.
• 46:37
  Speaker 4: And how many scouting reports if you've heard over the
• 46:39
  Speaker 4: years that didn't turn out.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: To be accurate, right?
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: No, I know, I know we were told that Tom
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: Brady was a week on quarterback from the day he stopped.
• 46:45
  Speaker 4: I don't feel that was false.
• 46:46
  Speaker 1: No, no, and it could be bad intelligence. But I'm like,
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: you just got to keep telling him to do it,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: because I'd rather have him fail that way than how
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: he failed on Sunday.
• 46:57
  Speaker 4: You know, I don't again, he said this yesterday. I
• 46:59
  Speaker 4: don't look at Sunday as indicative of what we've seen.
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: For whatever the thirty whatever start, how many stars has
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: he married down thirty six starts? I didn't Sunday was
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: exceptionally bad for him. I don't think that's indicative of
• 47:15
  Speaker 4: what he's done. But I do think sort of, you know,
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: one of the things he said today, even that I
• 47:20
  Speaker 4: caught about, you know, his eyes making sure that his
• 47:24
  Speaker 4: eyes were in the right place. I saw that on Sunday.
• 47:27
  Speaker 4: I thought he was paying more attention to the rush
• 47:29
  Speaker 4: than he was looking. And that's why on a fourth
• 47:32
  Speaker 4: down play, he has DeVante Parker on a shallow cross
• 47:35
  Speaker 4: across the middle, open enough and he doesn't get him. Now,
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: Dak Prescott did the same thing on a fourth down. Now,
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: the difference was they were up like thirty one to
• 47:44
  Speaker 4: three at the time, and he missed Ferguson wide open
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: on a fourth down and ended up getting sacked. Sometimes
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: you know, quarterbacks miss it because they're watching their rush
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: or whatever. The play action thing, isn't that something that
• 47:59
  Speaker 4: if wanted to be under center more, they could be
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: under center. And why, Like I get the impression. That's
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: why I'm more with you, Fred, Like, I think they're
• 48:07
  Speaker 4: in shotgun as much as they are because that's what
• 48:09
  Speaker 4: he wants.
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: He feels more comfortable.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: I think he feels more comfortable. I agree, because I
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: don't think he I don't think he's good enough. I mean,
• 48:14
  Speaker 4: but I don't think he's good enough under center either.
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: They're averaging eight yards attempt off play action. Now some
• 48:20
  Speaker 3: of that skewed by Pharaoh Brown's touchdown, we don't have
• 48:22
  Speaker 3: some of it. Have a small stay up here.
• 48:24
  Speaker 4: Tell me that they have a tiny percentage of plays
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: you know, under center, and one of them was a
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: sixty yard touchdown.
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but it just going back to all three years
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: though he's been a pretty productive play action passer, like
• 48:36
  Speaker 3: even you know, twenty one was especially good. But like
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: like all three years, when they call play action, he's
• 48:42
  Speaker 3: better than you know, average at that. And I think
• 48:46
  Speaker 3: that when they use some of these tricks of the
• 48:49
  Speaker 3: trade that offensive coordinators use, like play action, you know,
• 48:53
  Speaker 3: like screens, like motion, like RPO, like it helps him
• 48:58
  Speaker 3: just make throws. Like I don't think it to reads
• 49:00
  Speaker 3: thing necessarily with him. Sometimes I think it's he doesn't
• 49:04
  Speaker 3: have the ability to sit back there and go through
• 49:07
  Speaker 3: sideline to sideline and be able to make a throw,
• 49:10
  Speaker 3: you know, just to any open receiver, Like you have
• 49:12
  Speaker 3: to really be calculated and where what areas of the
• 49:16
  Speaker 3: field he's attacking, Like when he's throwing, his rhythm is
• 49:19
  Speaker 3: timing like all that type of stuff, Because if he's
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: a second late to a sideline throw, it's a pick six. Yeah,
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: so you just you can't. You have to be able
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: to calculate all those things into the play calling.
• 49:30
  Speaker 5: What if he's five seconds late from across the field,
• 49:33
  Speaker 5: stop it.
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: Jackson's in Alabama? Heye, Jackson, Hey, hey FD.
• 49:41
  Speaker 12: I just wanted to like just sit here and ponder
• 49:43
  Speaker 12: on this first second, is there any way that we
• 49:45
  Speaker 12: get a top five pick that we're not going to
• 49:48
  Speaker 12: trade it? And also I was want to put this
• 49:51
  Speaker 12: in and say, Evan, you're giving a very big Mike
• 49:54
  Speaker 12: McDaniel's vibes right now, and I think that maybe.
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: You need to be in line for the all, you're
• 50:02
  Speaker 1: not the first person who said that.
• 50:05
  Speaker 3: Mc daniels might hear all right, thanks Jackson.
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: I know he might be a little bit joking. But
• 50:12
  Speaker 1: top five pick, I hope they don't trade it.
• 50:15
  Speaker 4: Well, here's the thing. Who would be willing to trade
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: a top five pick a team that has a quarter
• 50:21
  Speaker 4: Bill Belichick may have a top five pick. I don't
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: think Bill Belicher is going.
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: To be a position to be he would love to
• 50:27
  Speaker 3: trade that pick.
• 50:28
  Speaker 4: I don't. I mean, I'm sorry, but if they're picking
• 50:31
  Speaker 4: in the top five, I said, I was the only
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: one yesterday that said, I think he'll be back. But
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: if they're picking in the top five, I think you
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: guys are right and I'll be wrong. I don't think
• 50:40
  Speaker 4: he'll be back. You guys all suggested that if it
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: continues like this that he'll be gone yesterday, and I
• 50:46
  Speaker 4: was the only one that said, I don't see it.
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: But if it's that bad, you're talking three four wins, Yeah,
• 50:51
  Speaker 4: it's gonna be hard with the left five maybe the.
• 50:53
  Speaker 5: Left tackle need is what scares me there because it's
• 50:55
  Speaker 5: like I get it.
• 50:56
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's the same thing we said last year,
• 50:58
  Speaker 6: Like I get it, but you'd love to have a
• 51:01
  Speaker 6: guy who moves to the needle on offense.
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: Brian's in Detroit.
• 51:06
  Speaker 13: Yeah, hey, guys, longtime listener. I live in Detroit, season
• 51:11
  Speaker 13: ticket over the Lions, and I just wanted to let
• 51:14
  Speaker 13: you guys know a little bit about Ben Johnson having
• 51:16
  Speaker 13: brought him up yesterday, soone else brought him up today.
• 51:19
  Speaker 13: Everybody keeps possibles to Bill Belichick. But man, I was
• 51:23
  Speaker 13: at training camp this year Ben Johnson. Man, there was
• 51:26
  Speaker 13: this old lady. I was walking in there, and he
• 51:29
  Speaker 13: stepped right in front of her and said, you're not
• 51:30
  Speaker 13: allowed to come in here. My kids go to the
• 51:33
  Speaker 13: same school as Ben Johnson's kids. At the school play,
• 51:36
  Speaker 13: Ben Jenson got up right in front and said, everyone
• 51:39
  Speaker 13: watched my child. He's just all about me guy, And
• 51:43
  Speaker 13: if you watch real closely, it's all Jared goffin this offense.
• 51:47
  Speaker 13: Jared Goff is teaching Ben Johnson how to call these plays. Yes,
• 51:51
  Speaker 13: everything that he got from Sean McVay. This might be
• 51:54
  Speaker 13: one of the Ben Johnson is not the guy that
• 51:56
  Speaker 13: you guys want to start targeting to replace Bill Belichick.
• 51:59
  Speaker 4: Okay, well, the rest of the league disagrees with you.
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 52:02
  Speaker 4: That was a wild call that was that was weird,
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: Like I care about a school play?
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I don't know what.
• 52:09
  Speaker 4: Like if we're gonna go by personalities, we have the
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: greatest coaches ever played. We're gonna go by personalities, now,
• 52:14
  Speaker 4: I please. The greatest coach's ever been in the league
• 52:17
  Speaker 4: is the Patriots coach for the last twenty five years.
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: A personality is not necessarily high on his list.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: I want to hear more. I want to hear like,
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: I'll have to talk to Hardy see what he has
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: to say. Let's go to Eric at amherstburg Ville.
• 52:34
  Speaker 8: He to how's your day going.
• 52:36
  Speaker 14: I hope it's going good.
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: Oh, you've been listening, you know, fair enough?
• 52:41
  Speaker 15: So, Fred, I disagree with you. Our wide receivers, as
• 52:45
  Speaker 15: a Gready puts it, our sank and dunk, we do
• 52:50
  Speaker 15: not have anyone who is even close to Sean Wayne's
• 52:53
  Speaker 15: level on the offensive side.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: When it comes to my opinion, Oh, come on, I
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: think it's comparable. I think that's an old statement, but
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: I think that you're dealing with secondary guys that wouldn't
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: be frontline players on other teams, on both on both sides.
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: I think we only care about it the receivers that
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: they have bodies at receiver.
• 53:11
  Speaker 4: Whether you have bodies that in the secondary they're not
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: good ones, but their bodies you have Miles Brian, Jalen Mills,
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: and Sean Wade, I mean dead bodies just like Juju Smith,
• 53:21
  Speaker 4: Schuster and taekwand Wolton, and.
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: But you have you go over around, go five or
• 53:24
  Speaker 3: six deep at receiver of just receivers on the team
• 53:28
  Speaker 3: that are have played in an NFL game before, Like
• 53:31
  Speaker 3: you only go three deep at corner.
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: It's a much more dire situation right now at corner.
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: Right now, I think you have a much more dire situation.
• 53:40
  Speaker 4: On offense in general, you can't score, you can't What
• 53:42
  Speaker 4: are you going to do to help that? Pall right now?
• 53:45
  Speaker 4: Trade for somebody like you just did on defense.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: You're talking about a big trade.
• 53:49
  Speaker 4: No, not a big trade, a trade like this, a
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: nothing trade to get an NFL player to use your example.
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, well you just said that he's not any good J. C. Jackson.
• 53:59
  Speaker 4: I don't think he is, but obviously the rest of
• 54:01
  Speaker 4: the available Okay, so then go and make a trade
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: for Chase Claypool.
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: You know, but you don't think he's gonna make, you know,
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: move the needles.
• 54:09
  Speaker 4: I don't, But you guys, do you guys like these
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: guys that no one else I don't. I don't think
• 54:13
  Speaker 4: Chase Chase Claypool right now the situation, they don't have
• 54:17
  Speaker 4: anybody on offense to make it play.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: And the one guy that I think they might have,
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: he won't play for whatever reason.
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: Who you talking about Douglas?
• 54:28
  Speaker 15: Yeah, Douglas is the only guy who can make a
• 54:29
  Speaker 15: play bill for some reason, think Juju character. The slow
• 54:33
  Speaker 15: guys are gonna help mac. As Evan said earlier, Matt
• 54:38
  Speaker 15: can't make certain throws and these guys are not getting
• 54:40
  Speaker 15: to the spots quick enough to allow him to get
• 54:42
  Speaker 15: make these throws. Defense has been ruled out of the NFL.
• 54:46
  Speaker 15: We need to get more explosive on offense. Jac Jackson, Yeah, great,
• 54:49
  Speaker 15: you've traded for him. This would have been a great
• 54:52
  Speaker 15: trade in January so that.
• 54:53
  Speaker 8: We didn't need to take gonzalas who the defense without him,
• 54:57
  Speaker 8: you see what I mean?
• 55:01
  Speaker 16: And you could have taken a guy like.
• 55:05
  Speaker 15: Jsm Zy, someone who could have given you life with
• 55:08
  Speaker 15: a guy like Douglas.
• 55:09
  Speaker 4: Later, Gonzales has already had three games better than anything
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: Jac Jackson ever did.
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: As a Patriot.
• 55:14
  Speaker 3: That's pretty good.
• 55:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Like, I mean that's how that's like, this is
• 55:19
  Speaker 4: what I'm talking about. Like, just go by the name
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: and the reputation and the stats and watch the game.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: Like J. C.
• 55:27
  Speaker 4: Jackson, especially against the kind of teams that the Patriots
• 55:30
  Speaker 4: have played in the first month, has never been able
• 55:33
  Speaker 4: to perform the way Gonzales did. Go back to that
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: playoff game, the forty seven to seventeen game.
• 55:38
  Speaker 1: JA C.
• 55:38
  Speaker 4: Jackson was your number one quarter that night. How did
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: Digs do?
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Now?
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: I know that Gonzales never got a chance to go
• 55:44
  Speaker 4: against Digs specifically, but he went against, as Mike likes
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: to say, digs adjacent kind of receivers throughout the first
• 55:52
  Speaker 4: month and didn't look like.
• 55:53
  Speaker 5: That didn't not Wasn't there something else going on with
• 55:55
  Speaker 5: jac Jackson in that game? Didn't he tap out?
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: The whole team tapped out in the second half? And well,
• 56:01
  Speaker 4: that'll be nice be one of my favorite Patriots of
• 56:05
  Speaker 4: all time.
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: John's in Washington, d C. What's up, John?
• 56:09
  Speaker 16: Hey, how's it going guys?
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 56:12
  Speaker 16: You know, just you know, we're sort of steering here,
• 56:15
  Speaker 16: and I think we were sort of going around. But
• 56:17
  Speaker 16: you know, I think Paul's right. You know, we do
• 56:20
  Speaker 16: need more talent on offense. I don't know where you
• 56:22
  Speaker 16: get it. There's I've been wondering. You know, I look
• 56:28
  Speaker 16: back at the drafts and the last two drafts, and
• 56:30
  Speaker 16: I just think, you know, corner the corner depth was
• 56:33
  Speaker 16: something I was screaming for in my uh thing beyond Gonzales. Obviously,
• 56:39
  Speaker 16: I was talking about like a fourth round pick instead
• 56:41
  Speaker 16: of City So or somebody like that. And and I
• 56:45
  Speaker 16: just look at people that fell in that fourth round,
• 56:47
  Speaker 16: or like Chariq Willans who fell after jackne instead of
• 56:49
  Speaker 16: Jack Jones the year before, and I'm like, yeah, because
• 56:52
  Speaker 16: I was worried. This is my nightmare of Sean Wade
• 56:55
  Speaker 16: and Myles Bryant being your primary corners.
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: And that's that's a fair second guest. And we all
• 57:01
  Speaker 4: talked about like heading into the year in terms of depth,
• 57:04
  Speaker 4: that was a spot that we were all worried about.
• 57:05
  Speaker 4: And then unfortunately you've seen it unfold right before our eyes.
• 57:09
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but at the same time, like they had their
• 57:11
  Speaker 3: top four corners got hurt, like the whole room got
• 57:14
  Speaker 3: wiped out. But we're not talking like, but.
• 57:17
  Speaker 16: I question whether I questioned how good Jack Jones and
• 57:21
  Speaker 16: Marcus Jones are correctly.
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: I thought it was a house of cards. That position
• 57:24
  Speaker 4: I thought was a house of cards.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: So that's fair.
• 57:26
  Speaker 4: I can't be a fraud about it. He's right. This
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: is some of the things that I John is the
• 57:32
  Speaker 4: corner me. He's called me out that.
• 57:34
  Speaker 16: Me the most about next year. He's not just the
• 57:38
  Speaker 16: offense in general, not just the offensive line. I look
• 57:41
  Speaker 16: at the defensive line, I look at the pass rushers,
• 57:43
  Speaker 16: I look at the edge betters, and I'm like, God,
• 57:46
  Speaker 16: there's really not hot. They need help everywhere on this roster.
• 57:51
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know. I think there they were pretty
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: well stocked coming into the year on defense. They they
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: spent every resource they positively could to be well stocked
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: on defense. I mean, they brought back every starter besides
• 58:04
  Speaker 3: Devin mccordy, who retired. They drafted three guys at the
• 58:07
  Speaker 3: top of the draft. On defense, you you prepare to
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: lose players at every position. Any team that has their
• 58:15
  Speaker 3: top four cornerbacks get wiped out at by injury all
• 58:18
  Speaker 3: at once isn't going to be in the day.
• 58:20
  Speaker 4: But I would feel the same if they just lost
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: Gonzales or if they just lost Jones, like I thought
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: they it was a house of cards without that, Like
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: I didn't have much. You know, what I think of
• 58:28
  Speaker 4: Jack Jones kind of similar to jac Jackson. That's what
• 58:31
  Speaker 4: I think of Jack Jones, Gonzales. Gonzales played at a
• 58:36
  Speaker 4: high level, and I think Jonathan Jones is a good,
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: solid NFL corner. So if you lose one of those
• 58:43
  Speaker 4: two guys, I think you you only had one one
• 58:46
  Speaker 4: solid option losing both of them.
• 58:48
  Speaker 6: I mean about what happened if we lose jut On,
• 58:51
  Speaker 6: you know, that was I mean, I said that exact line.
• 58:54
  Speaker 5: I mean, I don't think they did.
• 58:55
  Speaker 4: You know, we'll see what happened to Ken White Spot.
• 58:57
  Speaker 4: That was a house of cards and you're going to
• 58:59
  Speaker 4: see that.
• 59:00
  Speaker 6: And I said, you know, and I think when people
• 59:01
  Speaker 6: came at me being negative at the end of the
• 59:03
  Speaker 6: training camp was just like you know, Devon Godshaw, Lawrence, Guy,
• 59:07
  Speaker 6: Dietrich Wise, We've seen these guys roll out there for
• 59:09
  Speaker 6: the last.
• 59:10
  Speaker 5: Three years, like is it going to be different this year?
• 59:11
  Speaker 5: And it's kind of been the same.
• 59:13
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 59:13
  Speaker 6: It's it's they can't really get off the field against
• 59:16
  Speaker 6: the good offenses. I don't know, we'll see how the
• 59:18
  Speaker 6: rest of that plays out, but I agree with the
• 59:19
  Speaker 6: general sentiment. I mean, and I'm probably higher on the
• 59:21
  Speaker 6: cornerback depth than Paul is, certainly, but I think up
• 59:25
  Speaker 6: front you've got some major questions coming up this year
• 59:27
  Speaker 6: just due to age and injuries.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Web Radio at Patriots dot com is the email addressed
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: Joel and san Antonio. As always, thank you for all
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: you do. It's always good time to listen to the
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: world's original podcast, even when we're down. Just wanted to
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: share some quick thoughts. So we're bringing j C. Jackson
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: back cool. We need to help right now and he
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: can just suit it up play right away. However, I'm
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: just not a fan of BB recycling old players that
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: used to play for us, for example van Ney Collins.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: However many times that happened Trey Flowers. Now JC, Who's next,
• 59:58
  Speaker 1: Chandler Jones? Can we just for once outside, Can we
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: just for once look outside our tree branches for a
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: different type of spark. I'm just simply not sure if
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: these moves are in the best interest of the team. Again,
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: j C fills an immediate need right away, but in
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: the bigger picture and correct me if I'm wrong. These
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 1: moves have not really worked out that well, that's all
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: I got.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: Well, I think you're you, he answered his own question,
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: like taking a player from outside the organ, outside the tree,
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: as he puts it. Now, you've got to get that
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: player up to speed, and you gotta get it. You know,
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: you gotta get him on the program.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 17: J C.
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: Jackson, You're You're in the middle of the season, so
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 3: you're not You're not in a place in OTA's or
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 3: training camp where you have all this runway to get
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 3: him up and running. So jac Jackson comes back, already
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 3: knows the playbook, already knows the system, and he can
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 3: he could probably play on Sunday in this game against
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: the Saints. Have you trained for somebody that's never played
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 3: better for you know, it's a totally different.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: But I think what the email is saying is kind
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: of how I feel and that I don't really care
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 4: like this week and next week. Yeah great, So I
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: got the guy that I can get up to speed fast.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 4: If I'm going to acquire a player at this point
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 4: and I know they didn't give up anything for him,
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: I get it. But if I'm going to bring out
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 4: the players in I want players that I conceivably have
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: to be part of my future. They already told me
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: I don't want this guy. They don't want them, and
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: now they're just bringing them back because of this. Was
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: seeing it actually on TV right now on NFL Network,
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 4: you know, the Christian Gonzales injury, you know, saying Torn
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 4: Labraham expected to miss the rest of the season. So yeah,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 4: I mean you probably can't. You know, beggars can't be choosers.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 4: They needed somebody right now when jac Jackson happened to
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 4: be available. So that's that's the move. But I'm not
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 4: excited about it for the reason the emailer said. I
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 4: would be more excited if it was like some other
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: corner who might have some hope of being something. I
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 4: haven't been seen it with, right, And it's probably the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 4: same either way, because you're probably not getting a guy
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: that is going to be good enough to be something
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 4: in the future. But yeah, maybe that that sort of
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 4: you know, that lack of knowing for sure would be better.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: Take Shawn and New Milford. I woke up to a
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: text saying, look online, Bill just made a big trade.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: My imagination started running, is it Judy or maybe it's
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: justin Jefferson opens Twitter. All I can do here last
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: defa me to think Bill would actually trade for top
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: tier wide receiver, but Jac is cool.
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 3: I guess I just think it makes you competitive again
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 3: on defense, Like it kind of just yeah, it keeps
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 3: you afloat on that side of the ball. I I'm
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 3: not necessarily as far off on J. C. Jacks like
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: I'm with Paul in terms of like what he is
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: as a player, Like he's you know, he is what
• 1:02:47
  Speaker 3: he is. But I just think that it puts you
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 3: in a spot where you can just you can be
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 3: competitive again on that side of the ball. I don't
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 3: think that they would be super competitive without Judon and
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: Gonzalez if they just rolled out the group that they have.
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: All right, Paul's foods here. We got a big show
• 1:03:05
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• 1:03:09
  Speaker 1: Patriots greats died over the weekend, Russ Francis all world
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: tight ends. So we're bringing back some clips from the
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 1: Pats from the past podcast that we did with him.
• 1:03:20
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• 1:03:24
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  Speaker 3: What's up, everybody?
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 7: Check out this clip from our Paths from the Past
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 7: episode featuring Russ Francis as.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 19: A twenty something in year old kid. You mentioned ABC
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 19: Superstars and there's probably people.
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: Listening to this have no idea what that is.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 19: And ABC back in the day would gather the best
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 19: athletes from respective sports Reggie Jackson and baseball Lynn swan
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 19: and football yourself in football and you compete against each
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 19: other and Tocaflian type items. Here's a twenty something in
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 19: year old kid who's being called all world tight end
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 19: by Howard Kosel, who's being invited to go on ABC's Superstars.
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 19: Is your mind blown a little bit by this who's
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 19: a guy who's not a football player, and you know
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 19: it comes from a simpler life, maybe in Oregon, and
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 19: a little bit wid that all of this notoriety is
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 19: coming away.
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 17: Well, I didn't watch much TV growing up, certainly sports,
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 17: certainly never football because that was never live until after
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 17: I started playing. But Howard Cosell coined the all world
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 17: phrase my rookie year when I caught it like a
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 17: forty yard past Miami on a Monday night game. Well,
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 17: I've been catching I think I averaged over eighteen yards
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 17: as a rookie. And what he didn't know, and I
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 17: told his wife when they asked me to speak of
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 17: his services after he'd passed that the only reason I
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 17: didn't tell Howard why I was catching such long passes
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 17: is because I called him up when he started calling
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 17: me all world. Because my teammates started trying to beat
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 17: me up in practice and roll me over, need me
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 17: in the ribs and everything else. The guy's on the
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 17: field playing against saying all world.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: My ass right, that can be.
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 5: It's a blessing and they're coming.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 4: After me, right.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 17: So I said, mister Cossell, I'm really honored if you could,
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 17: because I finally got him after like four phone calls.
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 17: And this is before I started working for ABC my
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 17: rookie year. Here's a rookie calling Howard Cosell. I still
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 17: didn't really understand the importance of all these people. I'd
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 17: never heard of him before. So you asked me earlier
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 17: about how to deal with that, but I didn't know
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 17: any better, so I just lived my life. I said,
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 17: mister Cosell, thank you for taking my call. I was
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 17: such an honor for you to even mention my name
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 17: on a Monday night game. I said, I have a big,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 17: big favor to ask of you, and he says number
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 17: eighty one. He said, oh world, he said, what can
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 17: I do for you today? Oh god, I'm just stumbling
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 17: and they'll go ahead anything eighty one.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 2: Come on, it's so good to hear.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 17: Thank you for calling. I'm sorry I missed your other calls.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 17: I've been busy with Frank and the gift and everything
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 17: and this and that and on and on. I said,
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 17: mister Cossell, could you please stop calling me all world.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 17: They're killing me out there, my teammates and the other guys.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 17: Do you notice any silence right now? There was silence,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 17: and all of a sudden that booming voice number eighty one.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 17: Listen up and listen close, get tough or get out click,
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 17: So missus Cosell at his service. They asked me, Billy, Crystal,
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 17: myself and Frank the Ford so to speak at it
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 17: because we had become baby sat their grandchildren, Justin and Jared,
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 17: who I think we're in ESPN now at the pools,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 17: when we played in Miami and everything else. Got to
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 17: know him pretty well. Heather, their mother sweek out. Emmy
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 17: was just a sweetheart, I can do do everything kind
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 17: of wife and mother. I said, I got to tell
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 17: you the story, I said. Never got a chance to
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 17: tell the story to Howard because I was afraid. And
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 17: she goes, what I said, you know that all world
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 17: things that he he kept calling. She goes, oh, he
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 17: just thought you were a great player. And she's given
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 17: me the same thing. And I said, well, the truth
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 17: of the matter is I didn't know how to read
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 17: coverages or run past prays.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 3: So here's the truth.
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 17: I'm pouring it out. I didn't want to do this,
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 17: especially it's at his services, I said, but I kind
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 17: of felt like, well, Howard's here, we're all here together, right,
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 17: So but I called him up and asked him to
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 17: not call me all world, and he slammed me down
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 17: and said, get tough for get out. So I wasn't
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 17: gonna tell him it's because Steve just told me to
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 17: go straight. I didn't know how to run. It wasn't
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 17: because I was a great player. It's because I had speed,
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 17: Steve had an arm. We had Randy Vatah, Stanley Morgan.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 17: You know, a bunch of greatsus Steve Burke, great receiver
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 17: from Arkansas, and this kid who didn't know anything about football.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 17: So I'm looking good because of all of them, and
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 17: a great offensive line. So you know, once Shelby, Jordan
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 17: and all the other guys got together that nineteen seventy
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 17: eight team you're talking about, we ran over people.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 19: Held the rushing record until just a couple of years
• 1:09:11
  Speaker 19: ago when the Ravens that recond stood for forty something
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 19: years ago.
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 17: Something. We're very, very proud of it. And the one
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 17: thing that the Craft family, by the way, on a
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 17: couple of these alumni weekends when we come in for games,
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 17: had made a real They've given us an opportunity to
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 17: highlight some of the film when they show it to
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 17: the fans, so they're up in the club boxes and
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 17: everything else. Sometimes on the screen of those teams with
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 17: John Hannah coming around and Sam Cunningham, he was always
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 17: fast enough and good enough for passes and everything else.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 17: When you send him out there first two hundred and
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 17: forty five pounds he ran a four or five forty.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 17: He just blow through people. There goes John, there goes
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 17: I'm looking for people to block.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: I don't have to.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 19: I mentioned Gronkowski. Do you watch Do you look at
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 19: a guy like Gronk who played for the team that
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 19: you used to play and I.
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 3: Mean Marvel, bigger kid than you are.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 19: I don't know if he was faster than you were
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 19: at the time, different strengths, but a guy who you
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 19: could put on the line and he'd knock a guy
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 19: fifteen yards past a true tight end, and yes, you
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 19: could send him up the seam and he could run
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 19: by linebackers. What did you think of him when you
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 19: watched him play Russ.
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 17: Well, first of all, you said the one thing that
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 17: separates him, and I believe me, from most tight ends.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 17: You said, a complete tight end that would block and
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 17: have the speed to get downfield and have the hands.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 17: He's got incredible a sense for the balls. Your head
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 17: comes around right here and there's a little flash of
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 17: brown and he gets.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 19: Catch radius very high, like you could put the ball
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 19: almost any plays with him.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 17: Yeah, So one thing I would say about Rob Gronkowski
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 17: is there isn't anything you can't do on a football
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 17: field that he decides to do. And that's the goal
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 17: of every tight end. And I work with some young
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 17: tight ends from time time to want to get a
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 17: college scholarship for high school or a couple of young
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 17: pro guys. Not in the coaching standpoint, but just technique
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 17: because I had to learn from from the very very beginning.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 17: I won't give you away one of my secrets I
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 17: learned that helps tight ends improve quicker. But to look
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 17: at the Gronkowski we're probably about the same speed I
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 17: was four or five forty. I think that's probably what
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 17: Rob runs four or five four six. We're both in
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 17: that range.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: I waited.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 17: I played about they say it comes out in my card.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 17: That was two forty. I played a two fifty five.
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 17: Now when I got here, I was about two forty five.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 17: I quickly became two fifty by hitting the sled. I
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 17: never lifted weights. They said you need to lift weights,
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 17: put on more weight. No, the muscle becomes stronger than
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 17: the tendon and it rips the tendon and the muscles
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 17: supposed to give first.
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: So I'm not doing any of that.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 17: So I'm going to hit the sled instead, so that
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 17: put on weight. So I ended up weighing about two
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 17: hundred and fifty five pounds. If I hadn't done more
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 17: running and more stairs, I probably would have gone to
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 17: you know, sixty five to seventy, because you do build
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 17: a muscle hitting those sleds. But I didn't want to
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 17: compromise my speed, so I stopped at two hundred and
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 17: fifty two hundred and fifty five pounds. Rob was probably
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 17: he's a about the same heights. I'm probably not as
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 17: tall as I was when I started, but uh, nor
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 17: will he be. He's about six six sixty seven six
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 17: five six six. Yeah, just a big guy all around.
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 17: And when he hits, he explodes. That's his number one
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 17: quality in the running game. And he has the want
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 17: to to take that guy fifteen yards. He's not just
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 17: going to hit him and the ball. The guy goes
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 17: by and he just lets him go. He's gonna bury him.
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 17: And when he runs a route, he's so fluid for
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 17: a big guy, he's like a ballerina out there.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 17: Lin Swan used to take ballet lessons so that he
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 17: could be quicker. And what a gifted receiver he was.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 17: I look at Rob Gronkowski and I marvel at what
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 17: he can do, and I can't wait till the next
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 17: play and the next play. Oh, now he's playing in
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 17: Tampa bayh Is Brady there too? Oh great to get
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 17: to watch both of them. Yeah, I watch him and
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 17: I do my Rob does a little bit early. Oh
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 17: that's a little bit late. You could have done this.
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 17: She could have done that, I'm sure if he did.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 17: Look at any of my film in the days, Well,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 17: you could have done better on that. Well, you could
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 17: have done better on that. One of the best of
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 17: all time, and he will go into the Hall of Fame.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 1: Score big with Bob's unbeatable savings on power reclining furniture,
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  Speaker 1: but only when you shop at Bob's, the official furniture
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  Speaker 1: store of the New England Patriots. Paul, you could use
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: a motorized recliner, right, wouldn't you like that?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: No?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: No, no, one of the ones that lift up and
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 1: get you right out of the chair so you don't
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 1: have to.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 4: I didn't catch it at first, but thanks.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 3: Right, Well, we were still working on your You're remote
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: you too, You got your fart remote too.
• 1:14:06
  Speaker 1: If you could improve the remote, yeah, if you could improve.
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 4: That, I mean with you too, I don't just I
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: won't just reserve it for Freddie.
• 1:14:13
  Speaker 1: If you could improve the remote, what feature would you
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: add or take away or whatever? You can talk it
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: because you're a remote professional. Yeah, I don't.
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: I think the remote is pretty good.
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, I think I think it's pretty good. Always use
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: the voice sometimes, but not not have to because I
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: don't know where the station is.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I usually just go to the station I want,
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 4: But if I don't know, I'll just put the game
• 1:14:33
  Speaker 4: in that I'm you know, like I'll be watching like
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 4: a college football game on a Saturday, right and then
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 4: you know, like the scroll will confident it's like, you know,
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 4: thirty five thirty five fourth quarter and I'll be like, oh,
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: and I have no idea what channel that game is on,
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 4: and I'll just say, you know, Notre Dame Duke and
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: it just pops up. But otherwise I don't use voice.
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: You don't do this, Paul. You you actually go to
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 1: each game and get it on your back so that
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: and you hook just boom.
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 6: See that's what Paul wants. Do that, Okay, I know
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 6: exactly what Paul needs. He needs a way to get
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 6: to the streaming services quickly. One click of a button
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 6: and boom, we're there, like it's already kind of recording
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 6: it so you can just jump around.
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 4: Not so much getting to the streaming service is getting
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 4: away from Yes, what I think Paul really needs is
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: a bank of a new salary, is a bank of
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: monitors like NASA. Okay, so you could just have it
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: all up.
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 5: He didn't have to worry about even changing the channel.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 5: He just looks there.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, some of my friends do do that stuff.
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 4: I'm not multi TV. Yeah, I'm not big on the
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 4: multi TV thing.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: I have that call bookmakers. But anyway, that's true.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 4: I have I have that ability downstairs because I have,
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 4: uh there's like two separate rooms and there's a TV
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 4: on both sides because we had like a TV set
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 4: up when the kids were little. They used to watch
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: a lot of their you know, kids shows and stuff.
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 4: So I could do that.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: But I don't really see the need from what I'm hearing.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: The Sunday Ticket on YouTube is excellent really, like you
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: can do you can do four panels, like four games
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: at a time and everything. Like people are really liking
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: how YouTube is presenting a little more Sunday Ticket a
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: lot of control. You can get the you know, the
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: the it was next gen stats and all that.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 6: I used to have when I was in California, and
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 6: you could you know, I mean you had just the
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 6: box with all eight games on it once. I mean
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 6: you have red Zone of course, but then that box
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 6: where you have every game going at once was always.
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 4: See I would never want to use that, but I like,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 4: to Freddy's point, I like that feature I like the
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: idea that it's there if I ever want, if you.
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 6: Ever need it, especially like if it's an afternoon game
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 6: and there's like three kind of boring games going on, Yeah,
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 6: and it's like, well, red zone is going to be
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 6: kind of uselesscause they don't eve getting in the red zone.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 6: You can at least put it up and kind of
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 6: see a red zone is useless.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: You have the four something's happening in one, you hit that,
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: it takes over the full screen and then okay, that
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: plays over, then you go back to four.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: You know, red zone might be one of my biggest
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: misses ever, and there are a lot of them, as
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 4: you whether you could have come up with it. You know,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: when I first the idea, I was like, what who
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: would ever want to do that? Like just the scoring plays,
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: Like I totally didn't have the concept in my mind
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: as to what it was going to be the important stuff,
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 4: And I was like, why would anybody ever want to
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 4: do that? Like, if you're going to watch a game,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 4: you gotta watch the sequence, not realizing they were actually
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: going to show you the actual game and not realizing
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 4: you know, like the play by play of a drive you.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 6: Didn't realize your gift at that point, either to somehow
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 6: sequence all of them at once.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 4: I realized I realized my gift at the time, but
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 4: I didn't realize that they were going to pull it
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: off just quite quite as effectively. And literally the first
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: bye week that we had, or the first Monday, a whatever,
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: the first opportunity that I had to watch Red Zone,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: I put it on and I literally never changed. I
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 4: never touched the remoter gain. Oh my god, it was
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 4: I'm telling you, I was as wrong about Red Zone
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 4: as I was about Richard Seymour. Like that's how wrong
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 4: I couldn't. That's you know, that's definitely the wrongest.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 5: That's a good senior quote right there.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 4: I just I enjoy watching them. I think you get
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: a chance this show.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 1: But that might be the wrongest.
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 4: I think those one o'clock windows, when there's nine games
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: going at once, you effectively get a sense of how
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: all nine games unfolded.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 5: It's great, yeah you do, and then they're just a
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 5: blur in my memory. And he's like, he'll like, well
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 5: you remember in the first.
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 1: Court, Like.
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 4: He gets mad at me because I can keep track
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: of the game while we're in the middle of a
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: post game.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 1: Show web radio. Patriots dot com is the email address
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 1: Bubba and Connecticut. On the topic of cadence, I noticed
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: during the Cowboys game Mack was consistently waiting until one
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 1: second or less than the play clock to snap the ball.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: Doesn't that allow the opponent's pass rushers to time their rush.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 1: It was consistent throughout the game. They seem to have
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: zero variability there. Seems like that could be something easy
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 1: to adjust and they need all the help they can get.
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: It sounds like they need a new cadence.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: I wonder though, like you know, when you're down on
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 1: the line defense, you know, and you're in your three
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: point stance or whatever, like how much you are paying
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 1: attention to the play clock?
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: Yeah, people do. I think it's more so like the
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: edge guys. Yeah, standing up you can see it. But
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: that that's very common around the league. A lot of
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: players get snapped in the last second of the play clock.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: I didn't, it didn't. I didn't clock anything.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 6: It didn't see I mean, I remember the famous one
• 1:19:30
  Speaker 6: was that twenty fifteen game against.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: Denver, right where they said that they could figure out Stork.
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 6: His like his zam von Miller was like jumping off
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 6: the snap like they had a beat on it already.
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 4: Well, that was a tell.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 3: He had a tell.
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 4: He had a tell with his I think his head.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 5: He turned him was like a jerk to somebody right
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 5: before he snapped it.
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: Oh he hit somebody with their luggage with his luggage. Yeah,
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: he's bottom, bottom five, bottom five.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: He's a great.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 6: He's a great, like little foil for the show, because
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 6: it's like one random guy who was here a couple
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 6: of years, like nobody think.
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 4: It wasn't like he was stiff. He was a starting player.
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: Stork. Let's see Roberts just like has enough of let
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 1: them go. I'm teeing up the next email. It's like
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 1: a billion emails here, Bob in Wilmington, North Carolina. You
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: all have the Patriots going five hundred for the first
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: four weeks, and you're not far off with the team
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: going one to three. Not the worst, not the best.
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: I listened to yesterday's show last night, and that was
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 1: the saddest episode in unfiltered history. Where's the support? Bill
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 1: is best at motivating replacements and always puts a competent
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: team on the field that will give the Patriots a
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: chance to win. This season is going to be seeing
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: all the diamonds in the rough that appear through the
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: next man up philosophy that Bill lives by. Remember that
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 1: Bill has forgotten more about football than the rest of
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 1: the coaches in the league combined. This year is not over.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: The Patriots will still be a team to reckon with,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 1: and we'll finish with a winning season. In Bill, I
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: trust question, which position do you see the first diamond
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: to appear?
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 4: Wow, we have to second round pick, diamond in the rough.
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: There you go, Well, he doesn't play fiftieth overall pick
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: in a draft diamond in the rough.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 5: He'll actually get to play to Mario Douglas.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: Russell and Arkis.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: I can accept that.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I sent this into the post game show. But
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: Hardy doesn't read emails. It doesn't I kind of just
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: he really doesn't. I kind of I'm just over this season,
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: and I'll just assume they'll lose and be surprised when
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: they don't. Any chance the offense gets torn down to
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: the studs in the off season and rebuilt player wise.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: I don't mind the Jackson trade, mainly because we gave
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: up nothing but pocket lint. Also, sick Evans sounds like
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: Peter Schrager with his head stuck in a fish bowl.
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 4: That's uh, that's excellent. I never thought of it, But
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 4: that he does sound like Peter Sreg.
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 3: Does sound like you hit puberty.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate Peter.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: No, I know you're not a big fan.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: The the whole the kind of a contrast the last
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 4: two emails, but the whole, like everything is, is great.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 4: First of all, I don't know.
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't.
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 4: I didn't pick him to go five hundred in the
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 4: first four games. And if I only amended it to
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: one and three when Aaron Rodgers got hurt, I thought
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 4: they were going to start zero and four. Yeah, But
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: when Aaron Rodgers got hurt, I picked them to beat
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 4: the Jets. I don't know how you can look at
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: the way the game's played, especially the last one, and
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 4: just say, well, yeah, I expected it to be one
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: and three, so they're one and three.
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: Here we go, right.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: Not that I expected him to be much better offensively
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 4: this year, Right, That's what I expected, and I haven't
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 4: seen it. Never, not once would I would say, with
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 4: the lone exception of the last say, six minutes of
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 4: the second quarter of the opener against Philadelphia, I have
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: not seen any improvement on offen Yeah, short.
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: Of the final score. That's been the biggest disappointment so
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 1: far is that we haven't seen the improvement in the
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 1: offense that we thought we would. Yeah.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would just say to the point of tearing
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 5: it down to the studs.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 6: I mean, we talked about the offensive linemen that are
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 6: up for contract, the tight ends that are up for contract,
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 6: but unfortunately they have all their receivers are like under contract,
• 1:23:05
  Speaker 6: So like Juju Parker, all these guys are gonna come back.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 6: That's like ideally you'd like the receivers to.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 5: Kind of be phasing themselves out.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: And you know you've got like last year, right, the
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 4: only one that.
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: Anybody likes Jeffrey in Canada, sustained success can make you blind.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: For eighteen years, Bill and Robert could do no wrong.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: They dominated the league. So I'm gonna ask a question
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: that I know you really can't answer, but you can
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: offer your opinion. Do you think Bill Belichick and Robert
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: Craft are self aware? Do they know that this is
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 1: one of the worst five teams in the league right now?
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: Does Bill know he can't effectively evaluate offensive players? Does
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: Robert know the team he owns is not even close
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: to competing in what is now the fourth year after
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 1: Brady leaving. The fans and media all seem to know
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: these things, But I seriously doubt either of these two
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: men know these things.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 4: I would strongly, strongly, strongly agree with that sentiment, especially
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 4: with Bill. I don't think Bill thinks that. I think
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 4: thinks they're like a turnover two away from being four
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 4: And oh yeah, I really do. I really think that
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 4: he thinks that. Robert. I think Robert's a little bit
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: more aware of what it is. And did he speak
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 4: yesterday at that event briefly right, which is to me
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: a departure of the way he has been speaking at
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: these events about how excited he is about the drafts
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 4: and how about you know, Mac, and you know I
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 4: don't like I don't like losing.
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: I can tell you Robert Kraft knows that.
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 4: I think Robert is very much aware of where the
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: team is right now and how the team is sort
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 4: of perceived right now.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 1: Bill.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 4: I think I think Bill thinks they're like three plays
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: away from being the course.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: And whether or not you think it was good or
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 1: bad or whatever, but at the end of the last season,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 1: and I think it was January early February the organization
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: sent that letter out to season ticket holders it's going
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: to be changes, And of course the changes was Bill
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: O'Brien and Adrian Clem and all that. But you know,
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: I'm that that wasn't Bill's idea. No, No, that wasn't
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: Bill's That's what I said. I think I think Robert
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 1: is aware of how the team is perceived. I'm not
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 1: sure Bill is. I'm not sure Bill agrees with yea.
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: Bill is more set in.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 4: I don't think Bill agrees with the perceptions.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 5: A bigger question, though, do you think a coach needs
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 5: to be in season?
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: I mean is that they shouldn't be listening.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 4: They should know, but they should also be aware. Like
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 4: in two thousand and nine, I thought Bill was very
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 4: you know, very poignant, very very self aware of the
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 4: situation with the team. He knew that we can beat
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 4: the bad teams, we can't beat the good ones because
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 4: I just can't get this team to play the way
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 4: that I need him to play. Now, I would argue
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: that it's a step further than that. You can't get
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: the team to play the way you need them to
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 4: play because they weren't good enough to play that way.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 4: And I think I think Bill's answer for everything is
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: that we just got to execute better, Like if they
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: just to execute the plan, Like if the players are like, yeah,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 4: but can you Every play is workable if it's executed
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: to perfection. But are your players good enough to consistently
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: execute the plays the way you need them to be executed?
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: And I would argue no, I would argue in two
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 4: thousand and nine, No, I think they were a very
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 4: thin team that year, and as he said, you slammed,
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 4: you know, you double down on Moss over the top
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 4: and slam down on Welker, and you shut down the
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 4: offense right because you didn't have players that were good enough.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: Now we'd kill for players like that.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: Now, I know it's crazy in hindsight, and.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 4: This could be the biggest moment of the show. Evan's
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: Yeah has turned?
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 5: Evan has turned?
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: Has turned?
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 1: Evan?
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 3: Hello, wait what you have to say? This is a
• 1:26:58
  Speaker 3: big one. Paul is right, very we had to compare
• 1:27:01
  Speaker 3: notes and everything a lot of moving parts. So good
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 3: news first or bad news first?
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 4: What do we want?
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 5: Bad news?
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 8: No?
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 3: Tayekwon Thornton. Really so no, taekwon Thornton And different. No
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: Jack Jones, both those guys and Marcus Jones obviously still
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 3: not there. No Judon, no Christian Gonzales. That's the absences.
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 3: The good news, if you want to call it that.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 3: Riley Reef is back, Trey Flowers is back, and Cody
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 3: Davis is back.
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: Perfect.
• 1:27:31
  Speaker 4: So I had this long talk and I said, everybody's
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 4: gonna get all excited about all the guys. I'm back
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: on ir. You know who's coming back book it right now?
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: Cody Davis.
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 3: You watch Yeah, So Cody can't wait to get him
• 1:27:45
  Speaker 3: back in the mix. Cody Davis back in the mix,
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 3: and Trey Flowers back in the mix.
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 11: Now.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 3: I will just say that if they play Trey Flowers
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 3: over Keon White, that is horrible. But he is back,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 3: and I guess they need bodies there now at the end,
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 3: So whatever, that's.
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 5: How I feel. I mean, I totally with you, one
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: hundred percent. I just I think he can alleviate some
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: of the loss of Judo. He doesn't like.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 6: I totally not like want key On White out there,
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 6: but I think they need a rotational piece. And I
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 6: also I just think he's a little bit of a
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 6: different player, So I don't think it's like, you know,
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 6: they weren't going to swap him in for Judaan to
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 6: play standing up on the edge the whole time. So
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 6: we'll see how they use him. I mean, I'm not
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 6: I hear what you guys saying. I'm not totally like,
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 6: oh God.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: Trey Flowers.
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 4: No, no, no, Like, here's the thing. Do you have
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: so Tae Kwan Thornton's not out there?
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 3: Nope?
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 4: All right, you have to make room for Cody Davis,
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 4: Trey Flowers, Riley Reef and J. C.
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 3: Jackson and j C.
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: Jackson.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 4: So that's four spots. Now you have two with Judon Agains.
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 3: They already have an open spot. There's only fifty two
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 3: players on the roster right now.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 4: They only had fifty two players in the roster for
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 4: the game. Yeah, I thought that was illegal.
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: They only have fifty two players.
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I thought you had to go into every game
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 4: where the fifty three players.
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 1: That happened before, Paul, where they had fifty two.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: And they have to move a guy up to the
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: practice squad from the practice squad when that happens. Oh,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: they did Farms never mind, right, Farms backed down? Never mind?
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 4: They did have fifty three guys. Yeah, okay, right, because
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 4: Farms got elevated to the from the practice squad.
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: Sure, he went to have fifty two players signed to
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: the fifty three mans.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 4: Right now, so that's three. So someone's got to go. Now,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 4: Marcus Stones not eligible anyway yet, right, it's not eligible
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 4: to come off now. I know he's not going to
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 4: come off anyway, but yeah, Reef, I think makes sense.
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 4: Riley Reef, you need you need some bodies up there.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I think the Riley Reef in some ways,
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 3: like we were talking about earlier, like he is known
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 3: for being a pretty tough, hard nose, run blocking lineman
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 3: and they can't run the ball, so maybe he does
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: help you in that respect. It's disappointing that Taekwon is
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: not out there, not because I think he's the lord
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 3: and savior of the offense or anything like that, but
• 1:30:03
  Speaker 3: all indications were that he was going to be out
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 3: there today, that there was some you know, scuttle butt
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: about that, and I who knows like he just doesn't.
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 4: Do you think there's any chance that he's out there now?
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 4: I said, they're just trying.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: To keep it from He had a trouble taping something
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 1: like that.
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 4: No, but I mean maybe you know, like Wednesday's the
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 4: big media day New Orleans, like this will be the headlines.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: There's all these guys that are eligible to return, and
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 4: who was out there and who wasn't and New Olean's
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 4: reads it on Wednesday. Okay, well, he's eligible to return,
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 4: but he wasn't out at practice. We don't have to
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: really worry me.
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, but if he comes out, they
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: have to listen him in the report.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 4: They won't be on the roster. What do you mean,
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 4: He's not on the roster, so you don't have to
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 4: listen them at all.
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, none of these guys have to be listed on
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: the injury report until they're activated starting. Yeah, but get
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: that will be on the wire, the fact that their
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: clock has started will will be on the wire.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 4: Right, and I think that would be tonight, right Yeah.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 6: It's funny because I saw some like obviously false reports
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 6: now of people saying sources tell me that Taekwon Thornton
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 6: will return this we.
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: Well, I'll just like I saw that. We don't break
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: news here, but I will tell you that that a
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: lot of people were being told that Taekwon was going
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 3: to come back now not you know, other people outside
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 3: of are this.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: I saw the one guy doing it.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 4: It's a kid that I wasn't really familiar with until
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 4: this summer, and I haven't seen it.
• 1:31:30
  Speaker 3: Right, I'm just saying that the people that the media
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: I was just at practice with a lot of those
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: people were hearing through the grape vine, but they weren't
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 3: but they weren't reporting. They weren't reporting it, which tells
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: me that they were hearing.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: It from somebody else. Yeah, so like do you know
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 4: what I mean? Like in other words, Evan said that
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 4: they're you know, like not like Bill Belichick told me
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 4: that they're gonna So with all.
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 1: This coming and going and new faces or old faces back,
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: was there an audible gasp from the media when you
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: get out there?
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 3: There was no audible gas, but there was a there
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: was maybe we'll call it a false start by the media.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 1: We did.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 3: We left before we were kicked out, which just conditioned,
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 3: Oh the horn went off and we are said our
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: condition that that's the end of our time, and Stacy
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: called us back and said, no, no, we still got
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 3: another couple of minutes here. Guys, like hang out a
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 3: little bit longer and uh, you know you're not supposed
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 3: to to tweet until it's closed, right, And of course
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 3: all of us fired off our tweets because we thought
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: we were done. So we're all in trouble.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 3: No, no, we're not in trouble. But that's funny that
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 3: that did happen.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 1: How was the mood of the team.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: The mood of the team is Henry happier than he evident.
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 3: The mood of the team is literally the same no
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: matter what, Like I never like you can never always
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 3: said that you never actually tell a difference between the
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 3: mood of the team at one and three, three and one.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: You just they're the same. It's it's warm work.
• 1:33:05
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I remember like maybe a year or so in
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: for when when I came to work with Freddy and
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: I was talking to you about this on the bus,
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: you know, and you said something like so I think
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 4: it was like probably in the middle middle of the
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 4: first year, and you said like, so, you know, what
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 4: do you think or something like that, and I was like,
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 4: the biggest thing for being on the team plane is
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 4: that you could never tell after a game if they
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: want or a lost.
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: I know, people said ask me that all the time,
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 3: they're like, oh, it must have been a long ride home.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: I'm like, it's the same ride home.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 1: It's the same in our plane. Now you can't even
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 1: see the players.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 3: No, I know, but it's not like on that plane,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: not like hearing any like, it's not like celebration.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 4: There was one exception to that rule, and it was
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 4: the game in two thousand and seven that they beat
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: the Colts and they played another one bites the dust
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 4: on the way home and that plane just floated home.
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: You know, a couple other examples, like the famous one
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 4: in two thousand and one, Freddy when Charlie Weiss was
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 4: watching the TV of the Raiders Jets game and would
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 4: try to figure out if we were going to the
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 4: Raiders or the wild card or whatever, and the plane
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: erupted when when the Jets won that game, which allowed
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 4: the Patriots to have the buye. But I mean, you
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 4: go like thirty to ten losses in Miami where they
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: buried the ball, you'd have no idea. You'd have no
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: idea after the game that they that they had just
• 1:34:26
  Speaker 4: gotten killed.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: So we we know in practice, when it's really hot out,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: the coaches tend to wear heavier clothes and when it's
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: really cold out they don't wear any clothes. Is that true?
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: So now it's in between.
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 3: It was actually pretty hot out there, record highs today
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 3: eighty three. Oh, that's very hot.
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 1: So were there a lot of heavy hoodies and you know,
• 1:34:48
  Speaker 1: Robert jacksons, no, but tees.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 3: It was very hot. It was unseasonably warm. So media
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 3: grousing related to the Yeah, and of course that today
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 3: was the day that we got to stay out there
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 3: or extra time as like none of us.
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 5: Were guys over there in the sun, the sun.
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 3: We're like holding up my hands.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 1: A lot of sun exchange, like did anyone bring sunscreen?
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 13: No?
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 3: But I wish I wore some sunglasses or something, because
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 3: the sun is you know, it's right.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 5: Sure he didn't squint. And see Taekwon, he's like skinny.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 3: I'd be curious to see if he gets out there
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 3: this week at all, if it's if it's today or
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 3: tomorrow whatever, because yeah, maybe it's you know, it's very
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 3: possible that it could just be tomorrow, like you know,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 3: like that that does happen. They pads today, Yeah, yeah,
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 3: Wednesdays they've been in pads and then you know Thursday,
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 3: Friday not pads. But they've been in pads most Wednesdays
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 3: in season A.
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 4: Right, because they don't have to determine who's on the
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 4: roster until Saturday.
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, so.
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 5: But probably, I mean I kind of was holding out
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 5: hope the taekwon THRM was gonna play this weekend. I
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 5: mean this is probably. I mean, I know he could
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 5: come out tomorrow, but if he's not there, I.
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 4: Would say if he didn't, if he's not practicing at
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: all today, I would say, you're probably right.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 5: Not yeah, Bama.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: Oh well, well, well, hold out hope, but should you safe? Now?
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 1: All right? Web radio at patries dot com is the
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: email address the ACE ticket hotline. Uh, let's get back
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: to your calls and emails. Jim is in San Francisco.
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: What's up, Jim? Yeah, yep a Jim. Yeah, Okay, here
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 1: we go.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 14: I'm not none as down on the whole team as
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 14: everybody else here. I think when we get Evans old boy,
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 14: uh pekwon back, we can open up some Jets sweeps,
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 14: open up the middle.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 8: Of the field a little bit.
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 14: And I think, if I'm if I'm Bill, I'm calling
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 14: Cincinnati and I'm trying to get to the Higgins because
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 14: I know he wants out. You gotta probably give at
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 14: least a one or one or two and maybe a
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 14: mid rounder. But you got to get somebody in this.
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 14: We need some new blow, we need some speed, we
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 14: need some blanked. I'm giving Cincy a call and trying
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 14: to drag.
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 5: Him over here.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: Right, Okay, thanks Jims.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 3: He does Higgs?
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 1: You guys do that?
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 3: Well, Tis say a first and a third.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: He's hurt for T Higgins, So okay, first and a
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 4: third for a receiver, a wide receiver who's going to
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 4: be a free agent at the end.
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Of the year. No, well, what if you bring him
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 1: in and you know, sign and you sign him?
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And then I would say, I mean that's the
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 4: j Brown but yeah, because I don't care about this year, right,
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 4: but I'll take T Higgins going forward, but you get
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: him before he gets on the mark. Yeah. And by
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 4: the way, T Higgins a number one.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 1: He's a number one.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 4: I think he could be well he definitely, yeah, but
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 4: I think he could be. And the other thing that
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 4: I think is interesting is Cincinnati's, you know, sort of
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: teetering at one and three and they look awful. He's
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 4: planning on playing this week, so like I know everybody
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 4: is like looking at it.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 3: It's like, well.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: He's a trade guy. Well he's trying to get out
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 4: there and play to save their season. He doesn't sound
• 1:37:58
  Speaker 4: that doesn't sound like a guy who's pushing through expect to. Yeah,
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 4: he's got a broken rib.
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: H that's painful.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 3: I don't know if you're done just with T Higgins,
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 3: Like I think the T Higgins is the number one receiver,
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 3: but like it's kind of like you know, in baseball
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 3: he's the number one starter, But is he an ace?
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 3: Like I don't. I don't know about that, Like you know,
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 3: so that's why everyone's.
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 5: Got him in the crosshairs and like I'm great. I
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 5: mean he's good, you know. I just I don't want
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 5: to make sure like you get him in the receiver.
• 1:38:22
  Speaker 1: Well he's not the right number one, he's one B.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 1: We got a one B. No, we need that one.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: Ag For someone who says you shouldn't worry about what
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 4: people say you, you often are arguing with the people
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 4: who say things, Well, I get that's my plan. Let it, dude,
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 4: stay in your lane. You'll let me be in my life.
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 3: I feel the arguments before they I think both. I
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 3: think Both those guys are definitely better than anybody you have,
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 3: and they're really good receivers, but they truly move the
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 3: needle for the Patriots in a way Higgins would. I
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 3: think it moves the needle, But I don't if that's
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 3: your only move, If all you're doing is trading for T. Higgins,
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 3: I don't think it's.
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 6: It's just funny though, when in a league where literally
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 6: you could throw out a fake trade for anybody that like,
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 6: it's always T Higgins is always the guy that like,
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 6: that's the savior for the Patriots offense is T Higgins.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 4: But I think that the reason why people fixate on
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 4: a guy like that is because of the situation he's in. Yeah,
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 4: you know, they they're gonna have to they just reup borrow.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 4: They're gonna have to reap Chase because Chase is the
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 4: better player. I would agree with you that Tim Higgins
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 4: is not Chase. So they're kind of using logic and
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 4: saying they can't sign everyone, even though you can, they
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 4: that team, I would say won't because that team is
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 4: pretty tight. So I think that's why people look at T.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 4: Higgins and they say, well, yeah, I would rather have
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 4: a J. Brown or Devonte Adams, but T Higgins is available.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 4: That's a realistic option.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 3: I'm not like if I had the choice, if you
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 3: told me, like you could have any of the like
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 3: like the guys Paul is talking about that are going
• 1:39:50
  Speaker 3: to be available and realistic, like I'd probably rather Judy
• 1:39:54
  Speaker 3: or Brandon ni Yuk. Honestly, Oh, I would take out you.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 1: I don't.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 4: I don't love Judy.
• 1:39:58
  Speaker 5: I haven't seen much, seen much. I haven't seen it
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: seems like he gets hurt all the time.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: I love Ayuk.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 4: I think Brandon Ayuk I think is developing into a star.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I I I like to Higgins. I just think
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 3: that that his skill set is. You know, he's an
• 1:40:11
  Speaker 3: outside guy, can tested catches big receiver like I just
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 3: with the quarter. If you're sticking with Mac like then
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 3: I think a guy like Brandon Nyuk who's a route runner,
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 3: who's a really good.
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 4: And Mike you explosive. We miss some of these reds,
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 4: like some of the catches he made on Oh yeah,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 4: we're ridiculous.
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 5: In fact, let me catalog him off for you.
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 4: He gets mad when when I'm like, oh my god,
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 4: you see that question, how are you in the middle
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 4: of a conversation. I like, it's right there on that model, like,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 4: how did the Jets get the ball back?
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 6: Said, well, obviously there's just an interception and they punted
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 6: it back to him and then he got it with
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 6: sixty five years game.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 5: I'm like, we're doing a radio show right.
• 1:40:47
  Speaker 1: Now, like, how do you game book?
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 4: I'd like, I'd like to say that he's exaggerates.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 5: But do you think there's any concern though, of these
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: guys like and and I'm with you.
• 1:40:56
  Speaker 6: I'm just you know, throwing thought out there that maybe
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 6: they're not as good when they don't have Debo or
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 6: Jamar Chase across.
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: On the Absolutely, they're gonna come here.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 3: It's the number one and that's my juju theory, and
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 3: everyone's like, you know, So that's why I.
• 1:41:08
  Speaker 6: Think my bigger point is just that we get this
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 6: calls for years and years now on T Higgins and
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 6: it's like, are we sure that that's the answer, because
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 6: I don't want to like talk about sending a first
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 6: round a third round pick to a guy that we're like.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: Oh, Michael, Michael, I couldn't agree with you more, but
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: absolutely I agree with that.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 3: That's why I feel like you're not done. Like you
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 3: have to have t Higgins and maybe a player in
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 3: the draft, you know, a top one hundred player, a
• 1:41:31
  Speaker 3: top one hundred guy in the draft, and you know,
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 3: do what the Eagles did, do what Miami did do,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 3: Like you have to pair those guys with with somebody else.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 4: I my bigger fear is do they know what to
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 4: do with a guy like that? Do they know how
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 4: to best get the most out of a guy like that?
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 4: Because they you know, with the with the small exception
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 4: of like the Moss explosion, they've never really had that
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 4: kind of a toy to to work with.
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 3: That's why I favored favorite Judy and Ayuk is because
• 1:42:00
  Speaker 3: that those types of guys are more.
• 1:42:02
  Speaker 1: Thing about them. Think Joey Galloway was Yeah.
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: No, I mean, like listen, it's easy to sit here
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 4: and laugh and say that all of those guys couldn't
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 4: pick up the system, right, you know, then there's a
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: laundry list, right, yep, there's a there's a commonality here.
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 4: They're all trying to pick up this system and maybe
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 4: weren't allowed to do it any other way. And I
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 4: wonder if you know, like Brandon Ayuk doesn't work because
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 4: he does things. That's not the way we do them here,
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 4: and we're not going to force feed them. We're not
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: going to make him the number one and whatever. I
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: would worry. I think he's really telling you. I think
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 4: he's blossoming into a star, like he's really good. But
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: I just wonder if they would look at that and say, well, yeah,
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 4: well here, when you're the when you're the guy in
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 4: the game plan that we call for to get thrown to,
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 4: but next week you might not get any any targets.
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 4: That's the way they do it here. And I wonder
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 4: I worry about that more than I worry about the
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 4: guy that acquired isn't that good?
• 1:43:04
  Speaker 5: And I feel like Brady got kind of blamed for
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 5: some of that.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: All the time, all the time he got blamed for
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: continued post Brady, like you know, like.
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 3: I just feel like I always look at, like, you know,
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 3: the guys that have succeeded here, and you know, I
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 3: know we talk about Jacoby Myers a lot because of
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 3: the decision the offseason, but like Jacobe Myers succeeded here, Okay,
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 3: why why did he succeed here? And you look at
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 3: the traits that Jacoby Myers has and then you just
• 1:43:30
  Speaker 3: quarterback look at those traits and say, well, if we
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 3: had Jacoby Myers but he runs a four to four
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 3: instead of a four to six, Like now we're like,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 3: we're gonna have an even better Jacoby Myers, but instead
• 1:43:42
  Speaker 3: of like t Higgins who's a completely different type of
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 3: receiver who plays on the outside that you have to
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 3: throw open and throw jump balls to and things like that.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 3: That hasn't really worked here. So like I love Parker,
• 1:43:54
  Speaker 3: but it hasn't worked.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: But he's good. Maybe it would work if you were
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: trying to treat Higgins the way they treat Parker, maybe
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 4: they would have a big play machine.
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't I don't have like a
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 3: lot of hope in them their ability to take that
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 3: specific skill set.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: That point. I like that point, like because you're right
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 5: like they this this is the guy that they seem like.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 5: They're like, we gotta get him out there.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 4: He's gotta be out there all the time. I'm with Evan,
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 4: this last point that Evan's making, I don't have a
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 4: lot of faith. Yeah, Like you can fill in the
• 1:44:23
  Speaker 4: blank whichever one you like, the like I love Ayuk.
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: If Evans guy is a Yuke. I will fall in
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: line because I really like him. I don't have the
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: faith that he'll be as good here as he was there.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know about that, Like I don't, I agree
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 3: with you, but I think his skill set fits their
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: offense better, especially if if Billy Oh is still here.
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 3: Like quickness, route running, ability, like that's it.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 1: That's it's almost like, you know, what I'm hearing is
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 1: almost like we used to talk about Front seven guys
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 1: like pass Rechid. Yeah he had ten sacks at that team,
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 1: but Bill's not gonna let him do that. Yeah, right,
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 1: you know it's I'm hearing like the same thing, except
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: on offense.
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 5: You know, yeah, it's it's related, for sure.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: I do have some concerns about the way they try
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: to set things up in general to win. You know,
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 4: it's nothing new, variations of you know, run the ball,
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: play defense, and be strong on special teams.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: How did you see them wearing those shirts pregame tough teams,
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 3: tough teams, cover kicks.
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it, And I guess we're not all that tough.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 3: That that's a new kid. That's a league.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 1: We're spending a lot of time making t shirts.
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: Last league punting a lot of.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 3: I wonder who the guy was that made that T
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 3: shirt seeing that the guy that made the sweatshirts somebody, and.
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 4: I believe the kick receiving team is somewhere around twenty six.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 1: Sounds like somebody in this team just invested in a
• 1:45:45
  Speaker 1: T shirt store.
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 3: Or one of those things called it the Yeah, like
• 1:45:51
  Speaker 3: our opponent.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 4: Drive start is like really like those two things net
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 4: punting that they're literally second. Now, some of that is
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 4: due I think to a lot of plus fifty punting,
• 1:46:04
  Speaker 4: but the other part of it is the kick returns
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 4: that the other team. I think they're like twenty sixth
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 4: in kick coverage something like that.
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 5: I'm not getting into with you.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: Paul, don't worry. Cody Davis is coming back saving well.
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 4: And then you know, so someone will say, like Paul,
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 4: Paul mocked it, but they're they're struggling on special teams. Yeah,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 4: that'll be the difference between wins and losses.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: Alex is in Austin, Texas. What's up, Alex? Hey, guys,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 1: how we doing goody?
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 20: First time?
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 8: Long time here? Kind of I'm kind of in the
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 8: same boat as Evan in the sense like I don't
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 8: remember too much of the before times, like I'm a
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 8: couple of years older, but I like vaguely remember Drew time.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 20: But the word that's come into my mind when thinking
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 20: about this team is dysfunctional and like we're we're on
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 20: a path towards lap looking like the Judge and the Texans.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 11: Have the past several years.
• 1:47:04
  Speaker 8: And I don't know if like a T. Higgins is
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 8: gonna solve that, So I'll.
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, thanks, yeah, yeah, I mean it is taught.
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 3: It is hard, like I'm not trying to like woe
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 3: is me, but like you you don't one in three
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 3: like in this situation, and like it looking like it's
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: looking in terms of where this team is heading, Like
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 3: people from my generation do not know what this is
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 3: like like we have no clue what to do. I'll
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 3: fully admit it, like we you were lost, like we're
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 3: lost puppies right now. It's like what do you Our
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 3: team's not going to be good, like you know we're not,
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 3: Like this isn't just you know, rinse and repeat. It's
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: too easy before Yeah, and it's tough, like it's tough
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 3: to wrap your head around it.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 1: Eric the Red in me Bane, North Carolina, by way
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: of situate. For twenty years, we have heard Bill Surley arrogant,
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 1: frankly sometimes hilarious attitude toward the press, and when he
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 1: was getting us deep into the play every year, he
• 1:48:01
  Speaker 1: got away with it. Now the team he built, led
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 1: by the coaches he hired, playing the games he designed,
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 1: have been playing losing football for almost four years, and
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 1: the time for that BS is long past. We need
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 1: something from Bill. He demands from everyone under him, accountability.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 1: He deserves the tough questions, and we fans deserve to
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 1: hear the answer. As a fan, I'll ride the ups
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 1: and downs of my team's fortunes, even when it's an
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 1: exercise in masochism. As a consumer who invests time, emotional investment,
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 1: and a bunch of money on merch and getting out
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 1: of market games, I'm living at the product on the
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 1: field and the attitude of the man responsible. The bucks
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: stops with you. Bill, be better better.
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 3: Kill loves that press conference this morning was classic. He
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 3: was late to the press conference. Then Alan Siegel asks
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 3: him about trading for players and says, oh, like, when
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 3: you have a rush of injuries at let's say corner, Bill, Like,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 3: would you let's say trade for let's say j C.
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 3: Jackson to fill that.
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 5: No, No, he didn't say Jack Jackson. I'm just saying,
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 5: like he was saying generally, would you trade?
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 3: Would you genuinely do it? I tell you I didn't
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 3: even get back to my desk before Ian Rappaport tweeted
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 3: that they traded for ja C. Jackson, and he looked
• 1:49:19
  Speaker 3: Alan Siegel in the face and said, well, got to
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 3: see who's available.
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 5: That was like he did a solid like thirty five
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 5: minutes on the on the on the Saints to like
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 5: yet down. I was like zoning out and I'm like,
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 5: oh my god, that's the idea.
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 3: It was hilarious, Like he they he was. I am
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 3: fully believe he was late to the press conference because
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: they were.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:49:45
  Speaker 3: And then Alan Siegel asks him about trading for a
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 3: player at this time of year, and he basically boxed
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 3: at the question.
• 1:49:52
  Speaker 1: Great, it was great.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 6: Allen Seagull right after he did that, was like, I
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 6: know you're trading for Jase jack Yeah, he just said
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 6: that is funny.
• 1:50:00
  Speaker 1: Uh. Braylen says, I haven't listened to you. I haven't
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 1: listened to you guys in a couple of weeks, just
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: because I've been depressed with this season, and I try
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: to just disregard anything Patriots, but I just want to
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: know you all's opinion on what could be done for
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 1: this team to be successful after one and three start
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 1: is a trade? Is it change play calling? Or maybe
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: just give up for the season and gets stinky mac
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: Jones out of here? Well that's I don't know, man,
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 1: run what the show's all about is trying to figure
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 1: it out. I don't know how.
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: But they have to improve on offense.
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 5: I mean it's yep. They have to pretend a quarterback.
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 5: They have to run the ball, they have to complete.
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 3: Passes, run the ball. Let's just let's just start there,
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 3: like start week two, run.
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 1: Score.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 3: They're not going to score points throwing the ball, trying
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 3: to throw the ball. As much as they've had to
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 3: throw the ball, they're not good enough at it.
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 1: Chris with a T I A N. Prior to my
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 1: call yesterday, you guys were in the who would you
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 1: hire to replace Bill conversation when Fred asked, Evan and
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 1: Paul both said Ben Johnson, Fred having no idea who
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 1: the hell Ben Johnson is? Neither do I, by the way,
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: didn't respond with I don't know who that is or
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 1: or uh, I don't know who that is. He simply said, smoothly,
• 1:51:15
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, where is he? Now? Never let him see
• 1:51:18
  Speaker 1: you sweat?
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 4: And before, like you know, I know the guy that
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 4: called it or.
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: Talked about Ben Johnson last year.
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 4: You know, we talked about it yesterday, but before, like
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 4: you know, I know the guy that called in and
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 4: evidently Ben Johnson's the anti Christ at school school plays.
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 3: But you know, people like that.
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 4: I'm not I'm not raying, I'm not waying specifically Ben Johnson.
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 4: I'm giving him as an example of a guy who
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 4: has had a lot of success as an offensive coordinator.
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 4: I want the next offensive master.
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 3: Monk, you want the next Mike McDaniel.
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 4: Mike McDaniel, Sean McVay, uh, you know, Shannon whatever. I
• 1:51:59
  Speaker 4: want one of these guys. And I trust that they
• 1:52:03
  Speaker 4: have a network of people who identify these people. And
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 4: I don't mean to be flippant, but it's not my
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 4: job to know every single guy's sort of offensive philosophy
• 1:52:14
  Speaker 4: and how he would best work with the Patriots. But
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 4: that's what I think they need. They need an offensive guy,
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 4: a new sort of a new age offensive guy to
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 4: build with. That's that's what I would like. That's Ben Johnson.
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 3: I mean Ben Johnson's how my frun game is similar
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: to like the Shanahan McDaniel tree, where there's just a
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 3: ton of moving parts right Like you got motion, you
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: got guys bocking at different angles, you got all sorts
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 3: of things going on. Then you got the play action
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 3: off of it. Like he's made Jared Goff better than
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: he was with the Rams, Like Jared Goff looks like
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: a real top ten NFL quarterback right now.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 5: So he stood up at his kids play and said,
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 5: watch my kids.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 4: My kid him You believe that?
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: Well, I'm trying to see. Like the other one I
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 1: didn't understand is at training camp or he stepped in
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 1: front of a woman that says you can't come in,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: like why.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 4: Which probably meant that there was some like restricted area
• 1:53:04
  Speaker 4: that they weren't Maybe maybe.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 3: This woman was like trying to get on the field
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 3: or something like that, and he was.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 5: Like, my kid, dominate this play everyone here it comes boom.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 3: That would be Joe Judge, Like, no, he's really good
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 3: at scheming up on offense and he's going to be
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 3: a hot, hot commodity. Like that guy's getting the head
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 3: coaching job as soon as he.
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 4: Says I was surprised he didn't get one last year.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 3: I think he I think he thought he wasn't ready.
• 1:53:30
  Speaker 3: I think he pulled a Demico, Ryans.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: Ben and Brooklyn. Any insight on Barmore being a non
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: factor is he hurt? Has Evans film reviews shown teams
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: paying more attention to.
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 3: I don't think he's been a non factor. I thought
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 3: he was great against the Jets. He has been hurt,
• 1:53:45
  Speaker 3: not as as good last week, but you know, I
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 3: thought he was really really impactful against the Jets. He
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 3: had seven pressures, played a little bit more over the nose,
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 3: like the center and in a gaps things like that
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 3: because Godshaw got hurt. I think he's been really good
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 3: and he doesn't have the like quick twitch pass rush
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 3: moves like he did as a rookie since these injuries
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 3: have started to pile up, but he's figured it out
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: how to you know, use his strength and in upper
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 3: body power and things like that. Instead.
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 4: I think Mike and I have to take the blame
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 4: on this one.
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 3: I think you and I kind of you called them
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 3: Adam Butler and people got upset.
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh no, no, no, that would be on the
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 4: lower end. I think you and I are guilty of
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 4: raising expectations to a level that probably weren't fair. I
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 4: think you and I thought he was going to be
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 4: the kind of player that Evan just described that he's not.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 4: I thought he's gonna be a quick twitch like ability
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 4: to cause havoc from the inside. I think he was
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 4: Aaron Donald light yeah, you know, and I don't.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 1: Think he has I don't think that's heavy.
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I think he was a rookie, and then then
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 3: the injuries piled up and he doesn't have that.
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 4: I loved him. I was so excited about the draft pick,
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 4: and I'm probably with the emailers. I feel your analysis aside.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 4: I'm not telling you you're wrong, but I've been disappointed
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 4: because I haven't noticed him a ton.
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  Speaker 1: Ben also says about penalties other than the Juju penalty
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  Speaker 1: on I think that most of the Patriots penalties reflect talent.
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  Speaker 1: In other words, holds, offensive line, holds, false starts, and
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 1: more about getting beat or fear thereof.
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  Speaker 4: That's an interesting way to look at it. Holds Definitely,
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  Speaker 4: if you get a lot of holding penalties, you're getting beaten.
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  Speaker 4: False start could be just you're not, but you can
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  Speaker 4: make it locked in, but you can make an argument
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  Speaker 4: for false start because you feel like you need that.
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  Speaker 4: You know, and we talked yesterday how good Trent Brown
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 4: has been at that of anticipating and not being guilty
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 4: of false starts, but probably feels like he needs that
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 4: split second head start get out there.
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  Speaker 3: I wonder, you know. I don't know what's going on
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  Speaker 3: with on WINU. He's not on the injury report anymore.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 3: I don't think. I think they removed him. Yeah, and
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 3: he doesn't look right though, he's not coming out of
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  Speaker 3: his stance the same way that he usually does, like
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: he his achilles out.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, is that what happened like or what it
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 5: actually was?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know.
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  Speaker 4: Re said ankle, which right, which doesn't necessarily like a
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 4: lot of times if you see calf.
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  Speaker 1: That could be you could kill your achilles.
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  Speaker 3: I've heard they've done. They've done ankle for achilles tea
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 3: like remember and Brady had the achilles injury.
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 4: I think Aaron Rodgers, I think the originally announced ankle
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  Speaker 4: and I said that ain't an ankle. I I saw
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  Speaker 4: his foot, Yeah, but I said he's got an achilles
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 4: and yeah, I mean you do wonder if it was
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 4: something more significant, But if they if he had surgery
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 4: to repair a torn achilles and.
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  Speaker 3: He would not be on the field, I wonder, you know,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 3: I just wonder what's going on with him because he
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 3: you know, he is just not moving the off the
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 3: ball the way that he normally does.
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  Speaker 1: So Trevor in Kansas City says, one, I really like
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 1: the J. C. Jackson move. Low risk, high reward. Two.
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  Speaker 1: If the price to pay for seeing my team win
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 1: six championships in my lifetime is dealing with a mediocre
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: team while Bill finishes his career on his terms, then
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 1: I'll happily pay that price. I still think we compete
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 1: in most games the rest of the way.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, I could live with that the second part. The
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 4: first part, I think it's low risk, low reward, But
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 4: I don't think there's a scenario that is a high reward.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 5: Unless he has like eight interceptions or something crazy.
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 3: But I mean, like ye that right, Like, Okay, so
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 3: he's gonna get beat. We know that we've watched Jacy Jackson,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 3: we all have. We know he gets beat. You know,
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 3: he's not gonna cover Stefan Diggs like a you know,
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 3: Patrick Sir tan Wood or maybe Christian Gonzales would have,
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 3: but like they have two turnovers in four games. Like,
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 3: so if he comes in and he has five or
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 3: six interceptions by the end of the year, like at
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 3: least he's bringing something to the table.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 4: Some of them could come and they're starting to play
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 4: teams that are gonna have their backups playing, so it
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 4: could happen. Jared ain't gonna happen against Josh Allen.
• 1:57:37
  Speaker 1: Jared and Virginia. Mack is not that good and I
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 1: don't care. If you gave him Jerry Rice and Randy
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 1: mosson the prime, Mack wouldn't be able to get the
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 1: ball to them. He's a slight upgrade over Zappi, that's all.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 1: And all of us talk about the league surrounding young
• 1:57:50
  Speaker 1: quarterbacks with talent to win. The problem is that if
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 1: the goal is to actually win the Super Bowl, history
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 1: tells you that, with the exception of Foles, all the
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 1: Super Bowl winners in recent memory or QB by probable
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 1: Hall of famers, a young quarterback surrounded by talent might
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 1: make it to the game once, but they don't win.
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 1: And then when they when they sign a huge contract,
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 1: the team has to jettison players in the Magic falls apart.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 1: I've been critical of Bill.
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 4: Just an example of that. But go ahead.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 3: Is Stafford a Hall of Famer? I think he is,
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 3: but I don't think that they've he's a good player.
• 1:58:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying he's bad.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 4: I think I think he's a borderline Hall of famer.
• 1:58:26
  Speaker 4: I loved it, will tell you I loved it.
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a good player.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 1: I've been critical of Bill and his drafting in the past,
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 1: but moving on from Bill, or stripping him of his
• 1:58:33
  Speaker 1: authority so he leaves, would be a stupid mistake. Sorry, Fred.
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 1: It would be like when Brady left and we were
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 1: told it would be exciting, but guess what, it sucked.
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 1: The same thing would happen if you run off your
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 1: Hall of Fame coach, We'll just get worse than it
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 1: is now. We need that guy at quarterback if we
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 1: want to win it all. I've wanted us this tank
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 1: since Brady left to be able to get that guy
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 1: at quarterback. But the owner understandably has wanted to win. Now.
• 1:58:59
  Speaker 1: That is the mistake that is causing all the problems,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 1: and we shouldn't double down on that mistake. We need
• 1:59:04
  Speaker 1: to tank getting rid of Bill is not going to
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 1: fix this.
• 1:59:07
  Speaker 5: It's a loser mentality right there.
• 1:59:10
  Speaker 4: Getting rid of Bill isn't going to fix this.
• 1:59:12
  Speaker 1: That's what he says.
• 1:59:14
  Speaker 4: That was all over the map.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 5: Just lose every game and then in like five years
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 5: do I have to have.
• 1:59:19
  Speaker 4: Tank tank one on one class again? How many times
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 4: can I?
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 5: I can't do this.
• 1:59:23
  Speaker 3: I'm not talking to stop it.
• 1:59:25
  Speaker 1: Stop it.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 4: You don't try to lose you Tank, see, I think
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 4: you're in your book. You just don't activate guys like
• 1:59:36
  Speaker 4: instead of letting Sean Wade, let's go right, what if
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 4: Sean Wade is as good as J. C. Jackson? You
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 4: don't know what you don't know? If jac Jackson has
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 4: posted all these surgeries.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 3: I watched him play for two games.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 4: Well, evidently the Challengers thought he was so bad he
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 4: wouldn't get couldn't get on the field, Sean way King,
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know what you've watched this year.
• 1:59:59
  Speaker 4: He's played about how many snaps forty nine snaps.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 3: In four weeks eighty something in total. But who cares
• 2:00:05
  Speaker 3: about the run defense?
• 2:00:07
  Speaker 4: Certainly not the Patriots.
• 2:00:09
  Speaker 3: No, we're not paying them to.
• 2:00:11
  Speaker 4: I mean with the secondary, by the way, they run
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 4: defense is fine up front, That's not.
• 2:00:15
  Speaker 1: What I'm Another Christian says Fred. These receivers are the
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 1: equivalent of PU crew running routes out there. They won't
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: get open, they won't make a play after the ball.
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: Why not trade for somebody that's available, like Judy. The
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: Broncos are releasing players already. I bet he's available. Not
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 1: saying he resolves all our problems. However, a lineup of Judy, Thornton, Demario,
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: and Born is a lot better than the senior citizens
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: we have out there. Now, go sign help on defense,
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 1: on offense, and draft some next year. Stop neglecting the offense.
• 2:00:46
  Speaker 3: I don't disagree with the last line of that, But
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 3: like paying a sixth round pick swap for j C.
• 2:00:53
  Speaker 3: Jackson to pick up a million bucks of his salary, Like,
• 2:00:56
  Speaker 3: if they really wanted to trade for Jerry Judy and
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 3: he becomes available, then that's not going to prohibit them
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 3: from trading for Jerry Judy. No, I don't think they'd
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 3: want to trade for Jerry.
• 2:01:04
  Speaker 4: I would take the Jerry Judy move, sure, because I
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 4: think you could do a similar kind of move, you know, swap,
• 2:01:09
  Speaker 4: you know, probably not seventh and six round picks, but you.
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 3: Could probably get it for they wanted a first in
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 3: the off.
• 2:01:15
  Speaker 4: There there's no way he's getting a first at the
• 2:01:17
  Speaker 4: at the deadline.
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, time flew. It's already passed two o'clock bridge showing
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• 2:01:42
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