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What Really Happened to the Titanic? · Conspiracy! The Show

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  Speaker 1: Water and spit at you the troth. I'm a check
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  Speaker 1: out with speed at your fingers.
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  Speaker 2: Wait, hey, everybody, welcome to Conspiracy the Show. I'm Adam
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  Speaker 2: Todd Brown.
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  Speaker 1: I'm America's most trusted Honda dealer, Laura Crawford.
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  Speaker 2: And we're your hosts. Yes, we're recording from different parts
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  Speaker 2: of Los Angeles. Laura looks like she's in a murder garage.
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  Speaker 1: As always most of my life.
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  Speaker 2: How's it going, Laura, Oh, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, it's dope. It's dope. We're in quarantine. I've been
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  Speaker 1: bitching the stores are closed type of bitch, and I
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  Speaker 1: can't get laid. I've been bitching that this is already
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  Speaker 1: weirdly what my life was like when I was unemployed,
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  Speaker 1: and I didn't want to return to it. So, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's all. That's all good.
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  Speaker 2: We've been doing a lot of coronavirus stuff on the
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  Speaker 2: network lately, a lot of gloom and doom stuff, eating
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  Speaker 2: bats and things of that nature.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah for real.
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  Speaker 2: But this week we are traveling back in time because
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  Speaker 2: the day this episode is released is the anniversary of
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  Speaker 2: the day in the nineteen hundred and twelfth year of
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  Speaker 2: Our Lord when the Titanic hit a fucking iceberg in
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  Speaker 2: the middle of the ocean, all the more reason to
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  Speaker 2: leave the ocean alone. Can't stress it enough. Stay out
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  Speaker 2: of the ocean. It doesn't want you there. Oh no, man,
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  Speaker 2: not your boat's not your your swimming and flippers, none
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  Speaker 2: of it.
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  Speaker 1: No. Poseidon has said, you know that we got to
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  Speaker 1: keep the f out of his oceans. You know, Aquaman
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  Speaker 1: says the same thing King Trident in The Little Mermaid,
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  Speaker 1: similar message.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, and they are all correct.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they're all you know, got a good,
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  Speaker 1: good ecological stand on that point. And yeah, that blows
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  Speaker 1: my mind. It blows my mind still to this day
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  Speaker 1: that people traverse the seas and giant vessels. It's amazing.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, I know, we got to adverse through the Titanic.
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  Speaker 1: We're talking about Titanic conspiracy theory, not the one you
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  Speaker 1: might be thinking of, but you know the one online,
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  Speaker 1: which is like, oh, it's Jack Dawson a time travel.
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  Speaker 1: We're not talking about that.
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  Speaker 2: Oh no, we're not. We're not talking about anything related
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  Speaker 2: to the James Cameron film.
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  Speaker 1: No, this doesn't have anything to do with the fact
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  Speaker 1: that Leonardo DiCaprio talks about taking her on the Santa
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  Speaker 1: Monica Peer when that wasn't built until like nineteen sixteen.
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  Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about how his hair is
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  Speaker 1: clearly from nineteen ninety six and not a hairstyle you
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  Speaker 1: would see at that time. None of these things we'll
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  Speaker 1: be talked about.
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  Speaker 2: No, No, that's for a different episode.
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  Speaker 1: It's a different Titanic conspiracy theory we're talking about.
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  Speaker 2: We're going to make a multi part episode out of
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  Speaker 2: that conspiracy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's really important. Yeah, we'll talk about the way
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  Speaker 1: to other face, ways that James Caramel's a dick face,
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  Speaker 1: but uh no, this one is much more sinister, much
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  Speaker 1: more economic, much more nautical.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I spend a lot of time googling nautical terms
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  Speaker 2: over this port. Shit, christ I still barely know what
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  Speaker 2: AFT means. Come on, just talk like a normal person.
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  Speaker 2: You're not a fucking pirate.
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  Speaker 1: Were you like really trying to imagine the dimensions in
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  Speaker 1: your head as I was?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, and I'm bad at it.
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  Speaker 1: I can't.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't imagine a ship this large. No, it's
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  Speaker 2: like a.
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  Speaker 1: City, yeah, floating city.
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  Speaker 2: And I mean I'm sure there are ships of similar
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  Speaker 2: size and majesty now, but certainly not in fucking nineteen twelve. No,
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  Speaker 2: I don't think we even figured out what to do
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  Speaker 2: with garbage by that point. We're building ships.
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  Speaker 1: No, seriously, it's gonna be interesting to see you fans
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  Speaker 1: of the show, if they're fan to the show who
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  Speaker 1: are also really into boat making and like to talk
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  Speaker 1: about boats.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, there will be there will be things we say.
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  Speaker 1: Wrong in the boat dimensions.
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  Speaker 2: They'll let us have it in the comments. I'm sure.
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  Speaker 2: So let's talk about the official version of events. But
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  Speaker 2: also people have to know this story, right, Like we
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  Speaker 2: all hear about the Titanic in grade school. There's the
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  Speaker 2: fucking James Cameron movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and then there's stuff like Mysteries of the Titanic.
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  Speaker 1: There was TV shows, Sky TV, Banged documentaries, History Chamlstone
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  Speaker 1: a lot on the Titanic. People have talked about it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's well known.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it comes up, but for people who somehow are
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  Speaker 2: not familiar. The Titanic was a British passenger liner operated
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  Speaker 2: by the White Star Line. Huge deal when it launched
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  Speaker 2: the Ultimate and luxury Laura ooh. It had restaurants, it
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  Speaker 2: had bars, it had a gymnasium with a basketball court.
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  Speaker 2: This ship at it.
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  Speaker 1: All whoa and it even had like compartments.
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  Speaker 2: It had compartments for third class passengers, which was an
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  Speaker 2: unusual thing for ships at the time. They tended You're
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  Speaker 2: not going to believe this, but they tended to treat
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  Speaker 2: the poor people and people immigrating to the United States
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  Speaker 2: tended to treat them not that well. On ships at
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  Speaker 2: the time. Huh, they would just kind of throw everyone
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  Speaker 2: in the room with a bunch of bunk beds and
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  Speaker 2: they would all share a bathroom. Very gross. But on
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  Speaker 2: the Titanic, all the third class passengers had their own cabins,
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  Speaker 2: they had leisure areas. So even if you were among
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  Speaker 2: the dregs of society, as they would probably say it
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  Speaker 2: back then, you could still live it up on the Titanic,
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  Speaker 2: which I mean at least for a while while it
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  Speaker 2: didn't sink, because it spent most of its time sinking. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so kind of the opposite of living it up, if
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  Speaker 2: you think about it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, preparing for a minute death not to your knowledge. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, American history is full of not very good
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  Speaker 1: boat rides, you know what I mean, So not too
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  Speaker 1: shocking there.
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  Speaker 2: And this is, uh, this is arguably the worst.
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  Speaker 1: This is one of the worst Okay, so we're talking
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  Speaker 1: about this. The Titanic was constructed by the White Star
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  Speaker 1: Line with the name of the company. We'll be throwing
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  Speaker 1: that name around. And uh, it sailed out of Belfast,
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  Speaker 1: which is in northern Ireland. You might have heard of
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  Speaker 1: the place. It's a bit testy sometimes.
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  Speaker 2: They've had some troubles.
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  Speaker 1: But uh, it was set to land in New York
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  Speaker 1: City and uh, Tuesday night or was it Wednesday morning?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, but yeah, it was a White
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  Speaker 1: Star Line was a company owned by a lot of
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  Speaker 1: rich men. But we'll talk about that.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that becomes important.
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  Speaker 1: So, uh, what made the Titanic so remarkable was considered unsinkable.
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  Speaker 1: And that's what we always remember, right, that it was
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  Speaker 1: considered unsinkable.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, they made a big deal about how no ship
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  Speaker 2: of this size could be sunk. But then on April fourteenth,
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  Speaker 2: around eleven forty pm, the Titanic struck an iceberg about
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  Speaker 2: three hundred and seventy five miles south of Newfoundland. Five
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  Speaker 2: of the ship's watertight compartments were breached, and as it
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  Speaker 2: turns out, it was only capable of surviving the flooding
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  Speaker 2: of four compartments.
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  Speaker 1: Ooh, ooh whah, yikes.
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  Speaker 2: The crew and the passengers both were just completely incapable
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  Speaker 2: of dealing with this shit, because again, everyone thought this
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  Speaker 2: ship was unsinkable, so they didn't really prepare for the
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  Speaker 2: possibility that it might sink. And you know what, I
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  Speaker 2: would argue that they should have.
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  Speaker 1: They really should have. And the other thing I think
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  Speaker 1: that people don't consider is that they pretty much figured
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  Speaker 1: that if it did incur damage of any kind, that
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  Speaker 1: it would be able to communicate with other ships in
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  Speaker 1: the area quickly enough to get everyone evacuated, right, you
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  Speaker 1: know what I mean. So there was not just that
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't sync, but that if it did occur damage,
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  Speaker 1: it wouldn't be deadly damage. And everyone makes a big
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  Speaker 1: deal about the fact they didn't have enough lifeboats, but
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  Speaker 1: I don't think they anticipated that they would have to
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  Speaker 1: get everyone out at once. What they thought that what
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  Speaker 1: happened is if one of them got struck, it would
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  Speaker 1: fill with water and it would just be such a
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  Speaker 1: slow process that they could get everyone off in time,
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  Speaker 1: and various other ships could come and get people. You know,
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  Speaker 1: they could like going rounds, like send the lifeboats back,
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  Speaker 1: get more people off. It wasn't just like, fuck it, well,
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  Speaker 1: not make enough lifeboats because nothing bad will ever happen.
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  Speaker 1: It was like, yeah, we'll have lifeboats because something bad
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  Speaker 1: could happen, but it's not going to be so bad
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  Speaker 1: that we have to use them all at once, like
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  Speaker 1: it could be like slow thin right. Oh, that's important
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  Speaker 1: to consider.
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  Speaker 2: It's important to consider because it explains why so many
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  Speaker 2: people died. Like even in the conspiracy theory version that
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  Speaker 2: will get to later, it still explains why so many
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  Speaker 2: people died because they were expecting to have rescue ships
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  Speaker 2: on hand. And I think in the the official version
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  Speaker 2: of events, the problem is the terrain that the Titanic
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  Speaker 2: was in, or not terrain that's literally land. The water
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  Speaker 2: that the Titanic was in was not only were there icebergs,
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  Speaker 2: but there was what's called pack ice, which is ice
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  Speaker 2: that forms just under the surface, and it made it
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  Speaker 2: really hard to get to, especially with smaller rescue boats.
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  Speaker 2: So even after the Titanic was hit with this iceberg
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  Speaker 2: and word of that started going around, Philip Franklin, who
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  Speaker 2: is the White Star Line vice president, famously said the
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  Speaker 2: following there is no danger that Titanic will sink. The
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  Speaker 2: boat is unsinkable and nothing but inconvenience will be suffered
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  Speaker 2: by the passengers.
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  Speaker 1: Whoops, Nope, that's not how it worked out.
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  Speaker 2: He was a little bit off on that assessment. Between
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  Speaker 2: two ten am and two fifteen am, the rate of
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  Speaker 2: sinking suddenly increased. At one point, the ship broke in
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  Speaker 2: too and started sinking almost perpendicular to the surface while
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  Speaker 2: hundreds of people were still clinging to it.
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  Speaker 1: By that, it means the ship is like upside.
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  Speaker 2: Down, like a ninety degree angle.
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  Speaker 1: Like a ninety degree ouh. Yeah. Yeah, So at least
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  Speaker 1: fifteen hundred people lost their lives and seven ten survived.
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  Speaker 1: I was looking at the rates of survival. If you
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  Speaker 1: were a lady in like first class, your rate of
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  Speaker 1: survival was like eighty percent, and the men it was
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  Speaker 1: like forty or fifty I think. But if you were
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  Speaker 1: a third class it was like, you know, way way
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  Speaker 1: way lower.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, third class just had to kind of fend for themselves.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, only like thirty percent of them survived I think,
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  Speaker 1: or less.
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  Speaker 2: There was that famous Women and Children First rule in place,
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  Speaker 2: and that's why the survival rate for women was so high.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they got the most boats, and that's why you
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  Speaker 1: have things like the unsinkable Molly Brown and that bitch
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  Speaker 1: on that door and whatever and you know in those boats.
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  Speaker 1: So do you I want to just jump into talking
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  Speaker 1: about these theories?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, there are. There are a whole lot of conspiracy
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  Speaker 2: theories surrounding the Titanic, but we're going to talk about
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  Speaker 2: three in particular. The first, the Titanic didn't sink, Laura,
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  Speaker 2: it was swapped with its sister ship, which was then
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  Speaker 2: sunk intentionally for insurance money.
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  Speaker 1: WHOA, that sounds like Titanic was an inside job.
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  Speaker 2: This is such an elaborate conspiracy theory.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it really is, Like it's a straight up
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  Speaker 1: conspiracy theory. Sometimes people talk about conspiracy theories, what they
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  Speaker 1: mean is a dopey explanation for something like just saying
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  Speaker 1: aliens did it is not really much of a conspiracy
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  Speaker 1: theory because no one's conspiring to do anything. It's just
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  Speaker 1: aliens acting. In this case, this is true conspiracy theory,
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  Speaker 1: and that people are nefariously plotting to do damage to
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  Speaker 1: others for profit in secret.
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  Speaker 2: Right. And this theory was initially put forward by a
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  Speaker 2: writer named Robin Gardner in the book titan The Ship
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  Speaker 2: That Never Sank.
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  Speaker 1: And it came out like nineteen ninety eight, right, so
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  Speaker 1: it's like hot on the heels in the movie. It's
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  Speaker 1: very conveniently time to the film.
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  Speaker 2: And he argues that the ship that actually went down
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  Speaker 2: that day was Titanic's sister ship, Olympic. The two ships
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  Speaker 2: were nearly identical except for a few cosmetic differences, and
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  Speaker 2: the crux of this theory is an accident that happens
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  Speaker 2: prior to the Titanic disaster. Yeah, the Olympic was involved
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  Speaker 2: in a collision with the Royal Navy warship HMS Hawk.
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  Speaker 1: How does that happen?
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  Speaker 2: Named after Ethan Hawk?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, please don't step on my great Ethan Hawk joke, Laura,
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  Speaker 2: how dare you fuck me?
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  Speaker 1: Get it? Getta Gettika, gett a c oh my go god.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm never sure how any boat accident happens. You
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  Speaker 2: are on the water, was there a building in your
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  Speaker 2: way that you couldn't see another boat coming?
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  Speaker 1: Like?
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  Speaker 2: What the f say?
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  Speaker 1: Misty?
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  Speaker 2: Like very misty even then. I mean, I guess I've
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  Speaker 2: never I've never capped in the boat, so I guess
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  Speaker 2: I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But I just made a I just made I had
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  Speaker 1: motion of sitting in the sauce. Yeah, it's like the
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  Speaker 1: exceon Valdez. You know, maybe the dude was like, you know,
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  Speaker 1: hav an old gin rummy whatever. What that's a genitonic
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  Speaker 1: drinking a gen atonic. He was an old rummy drinking
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  Speaker 1: a genatonic. I don't know how this happened. So for
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  Speaker 1: some fuckhead reason, the Olympic crashed into a fucking warship
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  Speaker 1: and it had damage both above and blow the water line.
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  Speaker 1: And this is what we're talking about. We're like, okay,
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  Speaker 1: so it goes eight feet in word and it was
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember how long it was, but it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was a good amount of damage and they did
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  Speaker 1: have it inshored. But the insurance doesn't cover them ramming
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  Speaker 1: into another boat like a fuckhead, right, it would be
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  Speaker 1: like I'd be like, I have cards, sure, it's like
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  Speaker 1: smashing anyone I want, No, you can't. That's my how
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  Speaker 1: curR insurance works. So they were found at fault. They did,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they had like in a trial, an investigation.
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  Speaker 2: Right, So the argument is that the Olympic sustained more
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  Speaker 2: damage than was let on. Right, So basically the Olympic
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  Speaker 2: was going to be out of service for an extended
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  Speaker 2: period of time. The Titanic was behind schedule, so all
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  Speaker 2: of White Star Line's big plans we're going to have
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  Speaker 2: to be delayed.
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  Speaker 1: So this's my question about that. So they're saying, like,
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  Speaker 1: we can't put the ship out again to make more
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  Speaker 1: money because we can't ensure it now, or because it's
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  Speaker 1: like on probation.
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  Speaker 2: Well, because it's broken and it's got to be fixed.
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  Speaker 1: So they don't want to spend the money to fix it.
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  Speaker 2: Right, they don't want to spend the money to fix it.
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  Speaker 2: They're not going to get insurance money for it. So
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  Speaker 2: they hatch a scheme where what they're going to do
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  Speaker 2: is swap the Olympic in the Titanic out because the
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  Speaker 2: Olympic was still in shape enough that it could sail
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  Speaker 2: for a little bit. So yeah, the conspiracy version of
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  Speaker 2: events is that they swapped the Olympic in the Titanic
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  Speaker 2: and the plan was to dispose of it in a
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  Speaker 2: way that would allow White Star to collect the full
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  Speaker 2: insured value of a brand new ship. And one big
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  Speaker 2: detail that's missing from this theory, how how were they
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  Speaker 2: going to sink this ship? He supposes the plan was
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  Speaker 2: to open the sea cocks, yes, Yeah, to slowly flood
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  Speaker 2: the ship while a team of rescue boats moved passengers
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  Speaker 2: to safety.
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  Speaker 1: So we wanted a flotter with sea cocks.
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  Speaker 2: Right, the seacocks would be opened and the seamen would
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  Speaker 2: be flooded. Sea m e n So.
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  Speaker 1: For this to work, the captain would have to be
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  Speaker 1: on it because he would have to know that the
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  Speaker 1: seacocks were going to flood the ships, and they would
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  Speaker 1: have to have contact with an other shit that was
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  Speaker 1: going to rescue them, which is supposed to be the Californian,
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  Speaker 1: which is a ship that was near the Titanic but
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  Speaker 1: wasn't able to rescue it, And they would have to
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  Speaker 1: do all this shit while fifteen thousand irishmen were working
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  Speaker 1: on the Titanic. So what it is? I got the
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  Speaker 1: numbers on that, but I was like, dude, that seems
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  Speaker 1: way too high. But I think it was fifteen thousand, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: fifteen thousand irishmen worked on the Titanic or the Olympic.
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  Speaker 2: That's that's a lot of people.
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  Speaker 1: Like you'd have to have them like working on the
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  Speaker 1: actual Titanic and then suddenly they're working on the Olympic,
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  Speaker 1: but they don't notice is a different shit.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
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  Speaker 1: Definitely can't do that, and all the men involved in
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  Speaker 1: knowing what was going on with IS would also never
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  Speaker 1: have to tell anyone.
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  Speaker 2: His most controversial allegation is that the Titanic didn't strike
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  Speaker 2: an iceberg, but instead it struck one of those pre
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  Speaker 2: planned rescue boats that were supposed to be there to
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  Speaker 2: get because they assumed it would just if this play
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  Speaker 2: was real. The thinking was that it would sink slow
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  Speaker 2: enough that they could send the rescue boats out to
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  Speaker 2: get people and no one would die. The ship would
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  Speaker 2: sink and they'd be able to collect their insurance money.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, they instead accidentally run into one of the
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  Speaker 2: ships that causes it to sink, Chaos ensues, fifteen hundred people.
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  Speaker 1: Die, Yeah, which is a fucking a lot of people.
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  Speaker 2: So the problem with this theory it has been massively debunked.
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  Speaker 2: In two thousand and five, writer Mark Churnside did an
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  Speaker 2: entire college dissertation about the exchange theory. It's fucking nine
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  Speaker 2: nine hundred words long.
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: And we read it.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we read it. You can. I'll post a link
• 17:47
  Speaker 2: to it. And he fucking destroys this theory.
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: He goes through everything he goes through with this testimony.
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: He goes through everyone who would officially just find what
• 17:58
  Speaker 1: happened to wreck with the age of talk and everyone
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: who worked on the Titanic and like really broke this
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: down to point out why this could not have been
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: there they said they were, Because the main CRACs of
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: this theory is that the Olympic was more damaged than
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: the insurance had made it out to be. So this
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: ship has to be extremely damaged to make this worthwhile
• 18:21
  Speaker 1: to do, but also it needs to be patched up
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: quickly enough in time and to such an extent that
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: it visually looks to be the Titanic Grantis ship on
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: Earth and not a severely fucked up ship.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: Right. So he focuses on three things in this debunking
• 18:40
  Speaker 2: of this theory. The Olympic collision with the Hawk Gardner's
• 18:43
  Speaker 2: methodology and coming up with the theory, and the claim
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: that White Star Line would have benefited from an insurance
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: scam of this nature. And regarding the collision, he reviewed
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: actual testimony from the insurance investigation and it turns out
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: the damage wasn't any more extensive than anyone made it
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: out to be. One example, Gardner argued that the steel
• 19:06
  Speaker 2: ram on the ship that hit the Olympic was built
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: for maximum destruction, so obviously it's going to tear a
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: massive hole in this ship. But right in the insurance
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: investigation testimony, someone mentions that these rams that were put
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: on the front of boats were intended to cause a
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: ton of damage, but they didn't work that well. So
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: that kind of casts a little doubt on his assertion
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: that because it had this battering ram, it was going
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: to be the most destructive force that could hit a
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: ship outside of a bomb, And he just kind of
• 19:42
  Speaker 2: leaves that out of his theory. And there's all sorts
• 19:45
  Speaker 2: of examples of that where he either misquotes the testimony
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: or just ignores some of it, or he'll write someone
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: off as a witness who can't be trusted, and then
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: he'll cite them later as a witness to back up
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: other parts of his theory. This guy did a lot
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: of work debunking this. I feel like he did more
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: work than the guy who came up with the theory did.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, he goot to to how many knots
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: the boat was going, you know what I mean? Like
• 20:15
  Speaker 1: he's like, so you'd basically say this, The ship wasn't
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: even going that fast when it hit the age mess Hawk,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: so it wasn't like they collided up maximum input packed
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: at maximum speed, wasn't like that. It was not bad
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: an accident.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: Right, And another key to Gardner's conspiracy theory is the
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: idea that the Titanic was planning to get to New
• 20:36
  Speaker 2: York City on Wednesday, but the speed it was going,
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: it was going to get there Tuesday night. So his
• 20:43
  Speaker 2: argument is they were in a big hurry to get somewhere,
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: but not New York. And again he's ignoring a bunch
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: of passenger testimony where they're like, yeah, I overheard the
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: captain talking about how we were shooting for getting there
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: Tuesday night because it would make for a faster time
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: than the Olympic when it made the same voyage, So
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: they were trying to beat the Olympics time and get
• 21:09
  Speaker 2: there by Tuesday night. And several passengers said that, and
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: he just ignores that altogether. He also contradicts himself a
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: bunch the most notable one the Titanic. One of the
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: big differences between the Titanic and the Olympic. The Titanic
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: had these luxury suites that extended all the way to
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: the edge of the ship, so you couldn't on the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: outside walk past them. There was no deck there. They
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: were just extended all the way to the edge. And
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: he says there are witness accounts where they mentioned running
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: past the luxury suites, and he's like, how did they
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: do that if there was no deck next to the
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: luxury suites. And if you take what he's referencing in
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: its full context, the witness he's talking about is clearly
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: talking about traveling down the interior staircase inside the Titanic,
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: not running on the outside, So you would run past
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the luxury suites at that point. Yeah, And he also
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: at various points like there's all that testimony he claims
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: of people running along the deck next to the luxury suites,
• 22:20
  Speaker 2: but he also says that section was partitioned off to
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: give the illusion of luxury suites being there. So if
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: that's true, how were people running along there if it's
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: all partitioned off and meant to look like fake luxury suites?
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: It makes no sense.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: No, that doesn't make any sense. It's really graspy straws.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: And this was seemingly a blatant attempt to capture a
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: movie hypen And I mean, I understand why they think
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: people would do this, but at this point in history,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's not even enough concrete examples for
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: me of other people swapping out boats like this to
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: make it seem like it was a concrete planet at all.
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: Like if people had done this successfully and scammed people,
• 23:00
  Speaker 1: would we have heard about it.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And one thing he doesn't pay any attention to
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: is the fact that there are tons of passenger accounts
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: of being in those luxury suites. So what were they
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: talking about. Were they in on it? Like they would
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: have had to have been in on it, definitely, So
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: the theory really does not hold up. I'm sorry if
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: you're out there, I mean, it sounds it sounds tasty,
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: and you don't want to put anything past the elites,
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: but this would have been a brazen insurance scam.
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Also, just the money, the numbers don't make sense,
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: the money on it, because the Titanic was actually underinsured, right, it.
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: Was insured for five million but costs seven point five
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: million to build.
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: Right, And the White Star Line was owned by JP Morgan.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: It's not like he didn't have other companies. White Star
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: Line was not his only source of revenue, So why
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: would he be so dead set to kill fifteen hundred
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: people just to get a couple of million dollars when
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: he was worth like one hundred and fifteen million dollars.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Right, And also White Star Line in their own company handbook,
• 24:04
  Speaker 2: this is rule one oh one from White Star Line's
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: own literature. Commanders are reminded that the company's steamers are
• 24:13
  Speaker 2: to a great extent uninsured, in that their only livelihood,
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: as well as the companies, depends upon immunity from accident.
• 24:21
  Speaker 2: No precaution which ensures safe navigation is to be considered excessive.
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: So there's that, And then there's also this Dow Jones
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: article from around the time of the disaster. This is
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: a quote from that her cargo was worth seven hundred
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: and fifty thousand dollars. Insurance men estimate the loss to
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the International Mercantile Marine Company will be somewhere around three million.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: The loss would not break a company like the International
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: Mercantile Marine Company, or ought not to do so at
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: any rate, So it wasn't a hit that the Olympic
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: definitely wasn't a huge loss. If they're already, Like, if
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: they're talking about the titan not being that big of
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: a loss, then the Olympic wasn't that big of a loss.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: So this theory some bullshit.
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: Well, I added a couple of notes here, which is
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: just that a documentary by Sky TV, which is a
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: British network, found there were steel parts aboard the Titanic
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: that were stamped with the number for zero one and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Titanic serial number was for zero one, which meant they
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: were all original Titanic parts. If it were really the Olympic,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: they would have had to have put these in there
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: to make it look like it was the Titanic. But
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: they've never found any steel parts aboard the Titanic quote
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: unquote that are stamped with four hundred, which is the
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: Olympic serial number. So you're telling me that they replaced
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: every steel part that had a serial number in the
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Olympic with Titanic parts. That doesn't make any sense, does it.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Another thing that he brings up in this theory
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: that has been debunked and where he contradicts himself. He
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: mentions that all of the parts, all the names were
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: scratched off of the ships and all the identifying names
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: were just swapped. But then he points to this famous
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: picture that started circulating in the eighties. I think that
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: shows part of the Titanic and where the name would
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: be there's an M and a P. And he's like,
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: see that's the Olympic. And it's like, fuck face, you
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: just told us they scratched all the names off of
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: the ship, but now you're telling us they left one
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: of the names on there. And that photo has been
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: debunked as having been computer generated. Right career, what's at
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the bottom of the ocean is the Titanic.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I'm fairly certain it is the Titanic and it really sank,
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: but maybe not because of an iceberg.
• 26:45
  Speaker 2: Ooh yeah, I don't know.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: So we we get into the fact that they think
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: that the main fella involved in basically trying to think
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: of the Titanic is Rob a bearon himself, Star of
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: the gul Age, Old Purple Schnaz J Pip Hunt Morgan.
• 27:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah. These are technically separate conspiracy theories. This one is
• 27:10
  Speaker 2: a little more recent. It gets thrown around by QAnon
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: a lot, which is weird.
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because they want to go back to the silver standard.
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: Right in theory, JP Morgan owned the Titanic because he
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: owned the International Mercantile Marine Company, which owned the White
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: Star Line, which in turn owned the Titanic. So JP
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: Morgan was one of the owners of the Titanic, and
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: some of the wealthiest men in the world were aboard
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: the Titanic, most importantly John Jacob Astor the Fourth, Benjamin Guggenheim,
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: and Isidor Strauss.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Do you know what is Strauss? Did?
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: I do not?
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: He owned Macy's. He's Macy's guy. Oh wow, Yeah, one
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: of the richest men in America.
• 27:57
  Speaker 2: Yeah, used to be.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, not anymore. So they were all aboard the Titanic,
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: as JP Morgan was also meant to be.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: And according to this conspiracy theory, all three of them
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: very much opposed the formation of the Federal Reserve or
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: a US Central Bank, And so the theory is JP Morgan,
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: who was who did have a hand in starting the
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Federal Reserve. To eliminate opposition and presumably to take control
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: of the world's money supply, he arranged for these three
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: men to be on the Titanic and then had it
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: sunk on purpose to kill them. Holy shit, what a
• 28:44
  Speaker 2: fucking plot.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Seems like there are easier ways to kill three people
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: that you don't like. But I'd have never killed three
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: people I don't like, So I don't really know the
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: answer to that for certain, but we'll tell you a
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: lot of these are ways to kill people. And JP
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: Morgan was supposed to be on that ship, got his
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: own luxury compartment that cost him like seven hundred dollars
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: or something, which is you know, thousands in today's money.
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: But he kidled the last minute to to health problems.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: But JP Morgan legitimately had health problems. He died in
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: nineteen thirteen. So I don't find that to be a
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: garbage excuse. That's a fine excuse.
• 29:19
  Speaker 2: It's not that's not even the reason he canceled. Like
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: we the reason he canceled on the Titanic is actually
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: really well documented. Basically, at the time, he was trying
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: to ship his art collection, which was located in England
• 29:35
  Speaker 2: and in France. He was trying to ship it to
• 29:38
  Speaker 2: New York to be displayed at New York's Museum of
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: Metropolitan Art, And in late March he hit a snag.
• 29:46
  Speaker 2: A US Customs Office art specialist who had been sent
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: to London to inspect the shipments unexpectedly left for the
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: United States, so JP Morgan stopped the shipments, asked the
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: art dealer supervising them to meet him in France in
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: mid April, and that's when he sent a telegram to
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: the White Star Line saying he had to cancel because
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: he was dealing with all this business with his art collection.
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: So he did have a perfectly legitimate reason for canceling
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: on the Titanic's maiden voyage. And it's like he was
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: so rich, like he didn't probably give much of a
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: shit about being on the Titanic's maiden voyage, Like that's
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: not Yeah, that's not going to be as exciting of
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: an experience for JP Morgan. So I can totally picture
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: him canceling if it meant he could stay and fuck
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: with his art.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: I actually got that confused that Milton Hershey canceled his
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: luxury suite on the Titanic because of his health issues,
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: and those turned out to be legitimate. He wasn't just
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: trying to dumb it because he knew something and was
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: in league with JP Morgan. I don't know, though, Candy
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: is a tough business, but yeah, JP Morgan, he hadn't
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: like murdered bunch of people before this, So I don't
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: know what icessaried to believe you would do so at
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: this time, when he's like sixty eight or something like
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: fucking really old, like before I die, I did want
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: to kill a bunch of like fifteen hundred people. It's
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: like his bucket list.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: He was seventy four at the time.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: Oh shit, sorry, yeah, seventy four old as balls in
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: that day and age like death's door, and they were like,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: let's just take fifteen hundred people out so that I
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: can create the Federal Reserve, which I won't live long
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: enough to see or use. But I mean, he did
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: have a vested interest because he had, you know, bailed
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: out the government in nineteen oh seven when they had
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: like a big panic and he had had to step
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: in and bail everybody out. So he was trying to
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: set up a system so that that wouldn't happen in
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: the future, in big business wouldn't have to step in
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: and just you know, routinely rescue the government during periods
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: of boom and bust.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: So, I mean, there's a really similar conspiracy theory to
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: this surrounding the Malaysia Airlines flight that disappeared because there
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: were all of these people who worked for a like,
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: I think a weapons maker, and they all died all
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: at the same time. And that's one of the theories
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: there is that the plane was basically hijacked and they
• 32:12
  Speaker 2: were kidnapped.
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that.
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: Actually seems more plausible to me than JP Morgan's sinking
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: the Titanic to kill three people.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it totally does. And then I also hear a
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: step about all these doctors are being killed all over
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: the world because they know the cure to cancer and
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: they don't want to get out. You heard about this,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: I have not. Oh, yeah, there's a great theory that like,
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: all of these doctors are being killed under mysterious circumstances
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: that are all close to cancer breakthroughs all over the world,
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: and some of them I think we're on that Malaysia plane.
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: Oh two. In addition, more so ooh spooky. But uh,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: even spookier than that is the third conspiracy theory. Oh mommy,
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: did it? Are you? Are you cool? Are you cool
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: with moving on some mummies?
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah? This I think is probably the most plausible of
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: the three theories. The Titanic was sank by a cursed mummy.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Not just any mummy, No, a cursed mummy.
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: The Princess of amen Rah, who lived fifteen hundred years
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: before Christ. When she died, she was laid in an ornate,
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: wooden coffin and buried deep in a vault at Luxor,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: on the banks of the Nile. I thought that was
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: in Las Vegas.
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: It's right near Camelot.
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: Have I been wrong this whole time? Holy shit?
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Only about that? But nothing.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: In the late eighteen nineties, four rich young englishmen, ain't
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: it always visiting the excavations at Luxor were invited to
• 33:36
  Speaker 2: buy the coffin containing the remains of Princess amen Rah.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: All I might you fight, see a pharaoh? Fight? See
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: a coffin? You foightd see a cop by coppin? It's
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: a mammay, it's a mamma.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: I get a coffin, take it back to mine.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: Then dead princess in it flumen plumin onion. I don't
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: know to say. Alright, So anyway, sad then at the
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: cuff and ticket to his hotel, which is how perpy
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: He was gonna fuck up. He was gonna fuck that
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: mummy at his hotel. But instead the guy who brought
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: the mummy back to his hotel, was later seen walking
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: toward the desert by himself and never returned, and no.
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: One attempted to apprehend him.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Or no one said. No one asked him any questions,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: apparently just watched him walk off into the desert. Sure.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: The next day, one of the three remaining men was
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: shot in the arm accidentally and wounded so severely he
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: had to have his arm amputated.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Laura, Oh, I am, I am in it.
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: The third man arrived home to find that the bank
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: holding his entire life savings had failed, which, at least
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: you still have your arms, dude. The fourth suffered a
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: severe illness, lost his job, and was reduced to selling
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: match sticks in the streets.
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: Can you imagine was that a profession back then? Yeah?
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Matchtick salesman, match tick girl. I've heard of it. Well,
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: matchtick girl. It's like a story, the Christmas story.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Once again. I thought that was only in Vegas where
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: they come around and bringing matches.
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sick sick a bed. Stories like that went on
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: for years. I found this was funny. So the coffin
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: reaches England and is purchased by a businessman and three
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: members of the businessman's household are injured in a car
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: accident spooky, and then the businessman house catches on fire.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: And then the coffin gets donated to the British Museum,
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: and museum staff hears loud banging and crying noises from
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: the coffin at night. Oh mommy, I'm dead. Boom, Like
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: what the fuck is it? Things are thrown around the
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: exhibit room without explanations, and a watchman died. What can
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: you imagine someone who worked for a company died.
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's insane.
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: So a photographer took a photo of the coffin and
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: when he developed it, the image that appeared was so
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: horrifying the photographer killed. So it's just like in the
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: fucking Exus, that of the Exuses, like in the fucking Boman.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: But he develops the photograph and it's like, I know,
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: there's sticks and everything. It's the devil.
• 36:34
  Speaker 2: It's like the ring. If you look at that photograph,
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: you have to kill yourself three days later.
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So they couldn't even like, you know, fucking
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: give this thing away. It was so famously cursed and
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: the museum wanted to get rid of the mummy, but
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: this reputation. They couldn't even give it away, right, And
• 36:53
  Speaker 1: so a bullheaded American archaeologist, Damn Yanks who dismissed the curse,
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: talk his nonsense, bye the bummy, Bye the Bummy by
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: the mummy, and arranges it to have it shipped to
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: New York above the guess what Titanic. The rest, as
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: they say.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Is history aboard the Titanic. But here's the problem. This
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: is bullshit. It is the all the stuff surround it.
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: First of all, it's not even a coffin. It's a
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: coffin lid. There are no remains. And this is a
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: ghost story that was concocted around the turn of the
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: century by two English writers, and eventually, after the Titanic sank,
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: this ghost story got latched onto the Titanic and it
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: became the Titanic was sank by a cursed mummy. But
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: the truth is this coffin is still at the British Museum,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: and it's been there for decades and decades and decades,
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: so the chances of it also being at the bottom
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: of the ocean inside the Titanic are very very.
• 37:58
  Speaker 1: Slim, streamy slim. I was gonna say. Other versions of
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: This story had the archaeologist bribing to Titanic crew to
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: have the mummy put into a lifeboat, and it winds
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: up in New York City much like Kevin McAllister, and
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: the mummy is sold and shipped again and involved in
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: one or two other shipwrecks before winding up at the
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: bottom of the sea. I love one or two, like
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: who knows one? Maybe another one? So yeah, how many
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: lives must they take?
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds perfectly reasonable to me.
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah. The recent they developed this was there actually was
• 38:33
  Speaker 1: a sarcophagus that was lost in the shipwreck in like
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: the eighteen thirties or eighteen forties, and that became like a,
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: you know, a fascinating topic. But the other thing that
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: I added to this was, did you also know, Adam
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: that in twenty twelve, Weekly World News reported that the
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: Titanic was actually sunk by underwater UFO.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: This makes perfect sense to me.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: It really does. So what the theory going on here
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: is that Joseph hoff Teler discovered three large holes underneath
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: the ship, which could have only been caused by an
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: alien laser beam attack. So this one of the reports
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: involved says that nearby ships lost radio contact with a Titanic,
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: and that is why people couldn't be rescue quickly enough.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: What was interrupting their radio signals aliens. And they also
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: say that the people aboard the Titanic saw lights in
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: the water. They thought from the Californian, but the Californian
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: also reported seeing lights in the water. If you see
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: lights in the water, you know it's an underwater alien craft.
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, it's got to be aliens if you see
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: lights in the water.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: The other theory I'll throw at you here, did time
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: travelers sink the Titanic?
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: I think so, But go on, because this is.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: The theory that was put forth, repeated by but not
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: believed by Neil de Grasse Tyson. So he was doing
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: an episode of a podcast and he mentioned that he
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: knows of a theory that states that in the future
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: they create time travel, but so many people want to
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: go back to the moment to see the iceberg hit
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: that they actually overload the ship and sink it.
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: But wasn't it gonna sank from hitting the iceberg?
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: It was, but they actually sunk it from overloading it
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: with weight because too many people want to go see
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: it in the original timeline. It hits the iceberg, but
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: in the modern revised timeline that includes time travel it
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: sinks because of overloading from time traveling tourists.
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: But for that for that to work, it had to
• 40:32
  Speaker 2: have at least sunk once without the time traveling tourists,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: or no one would give a shit.
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: Yes, that is true. There's two timelines, one where it sank,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: one more it hit the iceberg, and one where it
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: just sank. And the other theory is that JP Morgan
• 40:47
  Speaker 1: hired time travelers to sabotage the ship themselves.
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: I could see that being a thing for sure.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Why not this is more practical. But one of the
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: things theories that they think why the ice damage was
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: so intense and caused it to think the way it did,
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: was there was a firep wasly a fire in the
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: Titanic going for ten days before it actually sets fail
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: and you can see it as burned out part a
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: part of the ship, and it looks to be that
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: one of the coal departments is actually fire going for
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: ten days and that was where the iceberg hit, and
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: the steel had been damaged in such a tree that
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: hit through it, and that's why it's so brutal, you know, accident.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: No one caught this fire.
• 41:26
  Speaker 2: Coal fire can't melt steel beams, Laura.
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: Uh, yeah, I can't melt steel vast heads. But yeah,
• 41:35
  Speaker 1: so those are other theories that are evolved.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I saw the theory about the fire. There are
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: a lot of theories about the structural problems with the
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: Titanic and like alternate explanations of how the damage it
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: sustained actually happened. It's all it's it's just kind of
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: it's all really technical. I feel like you have to
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: have built a ship to really get into those conspiracy theories.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Oh, there's also the German U boat one. Oh yeah,
• 42:02
  Speaker 1: that it was actually a German U boat sunk it.
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like we would have made a bigger
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: deal out of that.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Well, it could have just snuck off and not been caught.
• 42:11
  Speaker 2: But then why even do it, Like, why wouldn't why
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: wouldn't you want to take some credit for shink sink
• 42:16
  Speaker 2: in the Titanic.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it was what like three years before the Lusitania,
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I don't know, two before something like that.
• 42:23
  Speaker 2: I think this thing just hit a fucking iceberg, yeah
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: for real.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: And it captured the publix imagination a lot for some reason.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: Well, it is romantic to think about a bunch of elite,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: rich people all dying at once. But then when you
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: even look into the death numbers, they were the ones
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: who got off. Mostly it was the people in third
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: class who died for the most part. Yeah, And like
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: I would be willing to consider a conspiracy theory about
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: the Titanic. I don't own the fucking thing, Like I don't.
• 42:52
  Speaker 2: I don't care if it was aliens. But there's just
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: none of these When you really get into these conspiracy theories,
• 42:58
  Speaker 2: none of them make sense. Like they just don't even
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: make Not only do they seem too complex to have
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: been carried out, they just do not make sense.
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: I can understand using these as the basis to make
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: Titanic based programming or write a Titanic book, like to
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: just talk about them, that they exist. But there's something
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: that's really kind of not fair about our looking back
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: upon people like JP Morgan and being like, well, you know,
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: he was a really rich guy and he stamped his
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: boot on the face of the poor, so probably killed
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: fifteen hundred people in a bit of accident. It's like,
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: I feel like your capacity for human capassion is pretty low. Bro.
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and with the JP Morgan thing, one of the
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: things we didn't mention those three people weren't opposed to
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: a central bank, two of them had never said anything
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: about it, and one of them actually spoke out in
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: support of the idea. And another characteristic of that theory
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: is sometimes JP Morgan is replaced with like the Rothschilds
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: or some other fanly as having been the ones behind it.
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: That's usually the hallmark of a bullshit conspiracy theory, when
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: the players keep changing depending on who's telling the story,
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: usually false. I think that's our episode. We did it.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: So do you have any live shows you want to
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: plug before we get out of here?
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: No, I'm nothing forever. I'm gonna die now.
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, comedy's canceled. You can follow me on Twitter and
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Instagram at Adam Todd Brown, follow the network on Pops
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: dot Podcast on Instagram, or at on Pops on Twitter.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Where can people find you, Laura? If you're still there, I.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: Am still here. You can find me at Crawford Comic
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: on Twitter.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: Let's get out of here, Laura, say goodbye bye, goodbye, everybody.
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: We love you. About the Data model was about a
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