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Dave Tilton: Parallaxx CEO on the road cone tipline ending six months early · Early Edition with Ryan Bridge

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  Speaker 1: So the Rogue Cone hotline came and went. It's life
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  Speaker 1: short lived. The government says job done, data collected awkward
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  Speaker 1: bit ninety three percent of complaints were about cones that
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  Speaker 1: were perfectly fine under the rules. Dave Tilden and joins
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  Speaker 1: us this morning, All Dave.
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  Speaker 2: Morning, Andrew.
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  Speaker 1: Was this a waste of time?
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  Speaker 2: I'd say there's a couple of ff I was to
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  Speaker 2: look at the silver lining. There's maybe a couple of
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  Speaker 2: useful things that have come out of it, But generally
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  Speaker 2: I'd say it's probably a distraction. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Was it a stunt or was the data collection that
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  Speaker 1: they got from it good?
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  Speaker 2: I'd say some of the data could be quite useful.
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  Speaker 2: I'd suggest that it bought the road controlling authorities, the
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  Speaker 2: Council's Work Safe ENTERITA a little bit closer together, got
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  Speaker 2: them working on the topic well. And so some of
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  Speaker 2: the data they've collected might be useful. But I'd say
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  Speaker 2: it probably doesn't. It isn't isn't valid based on the
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  Speaker 2: effort put it well.
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  Speaker 1: It's obviously when they say ninety three percent of the
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  Speaker 1: complaints were about cones that were perfectly fine, that means
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  Speaker 1: they were compliant. So the complainants were complaining about something
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  Speaker 1: that was okay under the rules. The problem is not
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  Speaker 1: actually complaining about them or excessive use of them, it's
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  Speaker 1: the rules.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, correct, And that system change has been underway for
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  Speaker 2: a couple of years now, so that's sort of already
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  Speaker 2: in motion, and so i'd suggest that the current hotline
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  Speaker 2: being sort of injected into that hasn't necessarily helped. It's
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  Speaker 2: probably hindered the system change that everyone's after.
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  Speaker 1: And yes, and the new rules coming up from NZTA,
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  Speaker 1: councilors have to make sure that they are compliant with
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  Speaker 1: the new rules, and that has to happen by the
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  Speaker 1: first of July. And as I pointed out earlier this morning,
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  Speaker 1: that's the first of July twenty twenty seven. These are
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  Speaker 1: rope cones. Why is it taking so long?
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  Speaker 2: So that's the last milestone of a series of changes
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  Speaker 2: that all new contracts are actually from the first of
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  Speaker 2: July twenty twenty sixth. So and themselves, NDTA, all of
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  Speaker 2: their contracts are already in motion. In fact, many of
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  Speaker 2: them already switched. So that that milestone you've got there
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  Speaker 2: is the very last of all of them, and that's
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  Speaker 2: the councils themselves, where NDTA doesn't necessarily have a direct
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  Speaker 2: instruction role that they can play with those councils all
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  Speaker 2: the time. So that's the Minister Transport a short time
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  Speaker 2: ago announcing around how the funding might be compromised as
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  Speaker 2: the councils don't make that shift. So there's several moving
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  Speaker 2: parts there that have that timeline out to that point.
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  Speaker 2: But overall it's actually it's a pretty big capability challenge
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  Speaker 2: for the sector to change from rule following to risk
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  Speaker 2: based thinking. So it is somewhat understandable how it takes
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  Speaker 2: so long.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, and finally has the traffic management industry being milking it.
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  Speaker 2: It's hard to say, I personally don't supply physical TTM,
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  Speaker 2: and the sector is simply a product of the inertia
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  Speaker 2: and the type of system that it's been underpinned by.
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  Speaker 2: It's a compliance based system, so people will follow the
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  Speaker 2: rules in front of them, and those rules have been
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  Speaker 2: proven to not serve society the way we want them to,
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  Speaker 2: and so they're going to get changed. And I think
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  Speaker 2: it's less about what the it's more about the incentives
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  Speaker 2: that people have in the system as a whole, necessary
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  Speaker 2: to many ulterior multimotives, good So.
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