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Episode 11 | Season 2 Premiere: Spiritual Bypassing & The Shadow · The Liminal Lounge Mediums

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SPEAKER_01: Welcome to the Liminal Lounge Mediums Podcast.
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SPEAKER_01: We're your hosts Michelle Euler, Lorinda Carr, and Carrie Koss.
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SPEAKER_01: Three professional psychic mediums guiding you through your spiritual awakening, intuitive development, and mediumship training.
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SPEAKER_01: Whether you're experiencing a spiritual awakening, developing psychic abilities, or learning to work as an empath or an intuitive, this podcast offers grounded practical guidance for building your spiritual foundation.
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SPEAKER_01: Each episode focuses on mediumship basics, psychic development, energy healing, working with your spirit guides or ancestors, channeling and integrating spiritual awareness into your everyday life.
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SPEAKER_01: You'll hear honest conversations, expert interviews, and beginner-friendly teachings perfect for empaths and intuitives, just discovering their abilities or deepening their spiritual practice.
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SPEAKER_01: Join us in the Liminal Lounge Mediums podcast where spiritual seekers become empowered practitioners.
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SPEAKER_00: Lorenda, how are you doing today?
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SPEAKER_02: Fantastic.
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SPEAKER_00: Good.
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SPEAKER_02: I've got headphones with a crown on.
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SPEAKER_02: What could go wrong?
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SPEAKER_00: Right?
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SPEAKER_00: What could go wrong?
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely amazing.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
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SPEAKER_01: And Carrie, how how are you?
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SPEAKER_01: I am so excited to be back with you.
1:34
SPEAKER_01: I am I'm thrilled.
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SPEAKER_01: I'm really excited about the season.
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SPEAKER_01: And oh my gosh, it's good to be back.
1:40
SPEAKER_01: We've had a good summer, haven't we?
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SPEAKER_01: All had good summers.
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SPEAKER_01: Oh, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: We have we have absolutely and it is good to be back.
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SPEAKER_00: There's so many good topics.
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SPEAKER_00: So many good things.
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SPEAKER_00: I know.
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SPEAKER_00: I'm very, very excited.
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SPEAKER_00: So in the first season, we talked about shadow work, and we're actually going to start with that to start out season two, because there's still so much to look at when we're talking about shadow work.
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SPEAKER_00: And I think one of the things we'd like to start with today is um what what many people are referring to as spiritual bypassing.
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SPEAKER_00: Um so important in the work we're doing, especially as mediums and just in life in general.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh, so I guess what I'd like to ask, uh, how about we start out by kind of giving our take on or our definition of what is spiritual bypassing?
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SPEAKER_00: What does that mean for each of us, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Uh Carrie, would you like to start us out with that?
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I think about even that term bypassing, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Passing something by.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, I really feel in its simplest terms that spiritual bypassing is usually connected to our human experience and perceptions, and thinking that we have to be a certain type of person.
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SPEAKER_01: And that includes like high vibrational, positive all the time, not talking about topics that are uncomfortable, and then really not getting to the root of all many of the experiences we've had as human beings.
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SPEAKER_01: And there are case studies and many instances throughout history, really, where there's ideology placed on top of people and what they should be to be spiritual.
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SPEAKER_01: And I feel like it does a really big disservice to our human emotions and experiences, and it overrides, I think, our wellness.
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SPEAKER_00: That's it's this, yeah, that's simplistically what I would say it is.
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SPEAKER_00: Absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: Uh agree a hundred percent.
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SPEAKER_00: That's amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: Lorenda, what's your take?
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SPEAKER_02: Um, I well, as a teacher, as a you know, as a spiritual mentor, I I look at spiritual bypassing as um it's it's a really important part of our curriculum and our ethics in discernment.
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SPEAKER_02: And and I believe that it it's a it's a way for us to avoid spiritual bypassing.
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SPEAKER_02: It's hard for me to put into words.
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SPEAKER_02: It's so it's because it's like what Carrie said, it's like you're bypassing.
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SPEAKER_02: It's like you're going down an interstate, you can either get there directly or you can go the long way around, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Or you can go the other way around and not really get into the meat of what needs to be done, right?
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SPEAKER_02: Um but when you're when you're when you're a practitioner, you've got to know how to kind of go on the direct highway.
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SPEAKER_02: You can't you can't bypass everything.
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SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like uh as spiritual practitioners, we're spiritually avoiding things when we spiritually bypass, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean saying?
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
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SPEAKER_00: So, you know, I what she said.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, ditto.
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SPEAKER_00: Um as a metaphysician, I that's how I kind of identify myself.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, I like to work with natural law, and so that makes me think of like the law of attraction, and we're constantly when we're working with the law of attraction, we're very mindful about what are we focused on because you know, the energy or the awareness that we're giving to something actually attracts it back to us, right?
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SPEAKER_00: So there's always this fear that if we're excuse me, focused on the things that make us sad or the things that are um, I'm gonna put this in quotes, the negative emotions, right, that we're trying to avoid, that somehow we will attract that into our lives.
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SPEAKER_00: But that's not, it's really not true.
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SPEAKER_00: Because what ends up happening, this is just my take on it.
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SPEAKER_00: You guys can tell me what you think, but what ends up happening is if those emotions, those quote, negative emotions that are suppressed in our subconscious or in our shadow, if they're ignored, it doesn't mean they go away.
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SPEAKER_00: You know, it's like mediumship, just because we can't see it doesn't mean it's not there.
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SPEAKER_00: So we can pretend like it's not there, but it's still a frequency that is playing into our efforts to manifest and our efforts to raise our vibration.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, go ahead.
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SPEAKER_01: Well, I was thinking I on some level, I feel like parts of the new age that's I think much more current or new than even the metaphysical law and natural law you're speaking of, I think it's done a real disservice, the new age terminology about high vibration and um just believe it so, and all those concepts really work against our evolution as spiritual beings.
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SPEAKER_01: And because if we don't consider the whole self, right, which includes what we talked about, the subconscious, all parts of our wounds and everything else, then we are always in a state of misalignment and not really healing and denying what actually is, and the preciousness of holding space when you know we're healing or our students are going through those growth cycles, is that they're seen and there's nothing that needs to change in that moment, but just to witness and be present.
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SPEAKER_01: And I just find it interesting that people are literally whitewashing, denying people's human experience because they think it's not it's not spiritual enough, or they're or they're not being high vibration enough as if you're gonna lose something.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Oh, that's amazing.
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SPEAKER_00: It's kind of like when you know, some something happens and we feel deeply hurt, but we immediately from our spiritual mindset want to say, Oh, but everything happens for a reason, you know.
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SPEAKER_00: Or right, right, or oh, that really makes me angry, but I need to forgive this and let it go.
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SPEAKER_00: Does it really go anywhere?
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SPEAKER_00: It's still in there, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And and then it's you know, as we're trying to raise our vibration, which I I mean, what does that mean exactly?
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SPEAKER_00: I do believe that uh the law of attraction that what we focus on is that's what we're gonna attract.
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SPEAKER_00: I do believe that.
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SPEAKER_00: Yes, excuse me.
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SPEAKER_00: So it's like we don't want to ruminate in these negative thoughts and feelings.
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SPEAKER_00: Um, but we definitely need to honor them.
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SPEAKER_00: I think they're there for a good reason, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Like when we feel angry, that's a it's an indicator for us that, hey, there's something here that's not quite right.
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SPEAKER_00: This isn't serving me well, or you know, so let's take a serious look at it.
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SPEAKER_00: It it's not enough to just say, Oh, I'm just gonna pretend like it's not there.
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SPEAKER_00: Why, why would we do that?
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SPEAKER_00: That's silly, that's just being in denial, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: That's it.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like bringing the whole self on the journey up the like the the ascension journey, right?
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SPEAKER_01: In all the models in most religions, they they they're talking about an ascension path.
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SPEAKER_01: And so I think in that model, right, and that's even in tarot, they talk about that.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's like you have to, you can't just in order to progress, you need to bring all parts to grow and to evolve and to move forward.
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SPEAKER_01: I think that's part of the journey of it all, is non-denial and embracing and movement forward to an ideal, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Certainly a spiritual evolution is an ideal.
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SPEAKER_00: And right, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: So, in other words, acknowledgement is it's not alignment, like um, you know what I mean?
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SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, it's okay to say, I'm I'm angry.
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SPEAKER_00: It's okay to go there.
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SPEAKER_00: It's best, it's best to do that, right?
10:06
SPEAKER_00: Um, yeah, absolutely.
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SPEAKER_00: Like to be able to say, um I might be afraid of something or there might be fear here, and I'm acknowledging it, but that doesn't mean I'm manifesting it.
10:20
SPEAKER_01: Correct.
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SPEAKER_01: It's like it's like a dance between the two moving together.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Right, exactly.
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SPEAKER_00: Okay.
10:28
SPEAKER_00: So spiritually, so in other words, spiritually bypassing our negative feelings doesn't mean they are still at play, right?
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SPEAKER_00: Or I'm not saying that right.
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SPEAKER_00: Do you know what I'm saying?
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SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah, um, like that's gonna be the outcome, right?
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SPEAKER_01: Because we're right, because we feel angry or we're or we're feeling frustrated or hurt doesn't mean we're gonna stay in that and attract everything back.
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SPEAKER_02: Attract more, right?
10:54
SPEAKER_01: Right, right, right, right.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I think that's and that's what is I think that's really what the important statement is here is that we're allowed to feel negative, we're allowed to feel in the dumps when bad things happen and that spiritual bypassing, when you get those people that are like, Oh, but you should stay positive or you're gonna attract more, like attracts, like, then it becomes toxic.
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SPEAKER_02: It becomes toxic positivity because then all of a sudden you, as the person who's receiving that information, is going, Oh, I'm not allowed to feel guilty because it's gonna make it worse.
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SPEAKER_01: And that's where people can get very manipulated on their spiritual path by spiritual leaders that are, you know, professing that if you do that, this will happen, right?
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SPEAKER_01: It's just like you know, yeah, right.
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SPEAKER_00: It it makes me have to really think about as a spiritual teacher, how am I presenting some of these metaphysical laws?
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SPEAKER_00: And I need to be careful, right?
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SPEAKER_00: And to not let that be the thinking behind it.
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SPEAKER_00: Like, yeah, we want to raise our vibration.
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SPEAKER_00: We of course we want to focus on the positive outcomes we wish to bring into our lives.
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SPEAKER_00: At the same time, we need to love that part of us who gets angry, we need to have compassion for that part of us who maybe isn't perfect all the time or has old hurts or you know, things that um that are triggering us, you know.
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SPEAKER_01: The inner child work, inner children.
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SPEAKER_01: Absolutely, inner parts of us that were hurt, denied, and refused.
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SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
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SPEAKER_00: So um before we started recording, uh, the three of us, of course, we get together and we kind of talk about okay, what is our topic today?
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SPEAKER_00: What what things do we want to make sure we talk about?
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SPEAKER_00: And Carrie, you were sharing some really fascinating ideas and thoughts on this.
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SPEAKER_01: Would you share about the dark, about yes, yes, yes, yes, because you know, the three of us as a uh behind the scenes, we'll we'll have to do, we're gonna do an episode where we do the behind the scenes where all our shenanigans and we're gonna all we're shenanigans.
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SPEAKER_01: Yes.
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SPEAKER_01: That's for that's in honor of my dear friend Lorenda.
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SPEAKER_01: So the thing I was thinking about when I was we were considering the topic and we were talking about shadow.
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SPEAKER_01: I started really thinking about what that means, darkness, and how I'll try to keep this succinct, but in history, most spiritual traditions, you know, they either they embrace the dark side of humanity or different aspects of you know our experience, or they might use it against people.
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SPEAKER_01: And so it is it's my belief that um, you know, growing up in Western culture, we try to homogenize everything, we try to make everything tidy and nice and fit into a package and everything's great.
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SPEAKER_01: And as a roof as that evolves over time, that denies all of these things we're talking about, which is the dark side of us, and we it is being seen as being evil versus good.
14:01
SPEAKER_01: And so I what I notice in session work with clients and students, and I'm sure both of you can speak to this, is people are struggling with as they're coming into their spiritual path wherever they are, if they're developing their mediumship with either of you, or if they're on their journey trying to do healing through regression, they're coming into contact with expectations of how they should behave.
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SPEAKER_01: And it's really my belief that our culture is designed to sweep all this stuff under the rug.
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SPEAKER_01: But we are in an age of Aquarius.
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SPEAKER_01: We've talked about that.
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SPEAKER_01: We are evolving, and that means that all of these archetypes are exploding underneath the surface, that they the real part of who we actually are are won't be denied.
14:48
SPEAKER_01: And that's why there's so much rising of what's known as like the dark feminine.
14:53
SPEAKER_01: This will be an episode we'll talk about another time too.
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SPEAKER_01: But that's why I'm noticing a lot of my sessions is that my clients are starting to have spirit guides come forth that are really helping them embrace these aspects of themselves that they have long put away in a closet somewhere because of pain and suffering and trauma.
15:11
SPEAKER_01: And and it's been demonized because it's seen as being, especially for women and for people that are marginalized, it's seen as being a weakness or dark or evil, and that's the root of it.
15:25
SPEAKER_01: And we've all of us have so many stories to share about that.
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SPEAKER_01: That's right.
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SPEAKER_00: So, with that, with what you're describing, um so so many times it's like, okay, so we identify what's suppressed in our shadow, these quote, negative feelings or or um the these negative aspects of our character or who we are, and then it's it's almost like we're expected then to let it go to get rid of it.
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SPEAKER_00: Yeah, but that doesn't always work, does it?
16:01
SPEAKER_01: Not in not in blood, bones, tissue, memory, right, right.
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SPEAKER_00: Patterns, yeah.
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SPEAKER_00: Right.
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SPEAKER_00: So then that brings up like the idea of integration.
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SPEAKER_00: So how would you guys describe like what are your thoughts on that?
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SPEAKER_00: Okay, so we identify the shadow, right?
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SPEAKER_00: It's there, we look at the things that are that are hiding there, if you will.
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SPEAKER_00: We bring the we put the light on them, we bring them to the surface.
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SPEAKER_00: Then what do we do with it?
16:28
SPEAKER_01: I want to hear about Lorinda, some of her session work when she does both BQH and QHHT, because that there's so much integration on a deepest level when you're doing that type of therapeutic work right in the subconscious.
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SPEAKER_01: What do you think, Lorenda?
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, when doing the subconscious work, there's a lot of shadow stuff that will come forward that people have completely forgotten about.
16:54
SPEAKER_02: Right.
16:54
SPEAKER_02: That they're they're not realizing is in the for it's like it's just itching to get out, and it's actually driving their subconscious decisions, it's driving their decisions every day, and they don't even know why.
17:07
SPEAKER_02: Right, right.
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SPEAKER_02: Um, and and and I look at, and you know what?
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SPEAKER_02: A perfect example too is when you see people like myself who just go out on Facebook and are like and they're blah, blah, blah, and society this and society that, or I feel this, right?
17:22
SPEAKER_02: Or even in memes, it's people trying to get out, their subconscious is trying to get out and try to show their true selves and try to show their true feelings and their true experiences.
17:33
SPEAKER_02: But society will come back and go, Why are you airing your dirty laundry?
17:39
SPEAKER_02: We're in the safe space of a QHHT and in that, or even even in therapy, like we're able to start getting that stuff out.
17:46
SPEAKER_02: And and with the QHHT and BQH, we really truly are seeing a much stronger surgence.
17:54
SPEAKER_02: It's no longer just about the past lives, it's it's the trauma that has been stored in this life and others connecting to the other dimensions of our of our and aspects of ourselves and the greater consciousness, and how does that present now?
18:10
SPEAKER_02: And when we are in a society every day that says you're not allowed to be that because it doesn't fit the mold, right?
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SPEAKER_02: We start seeing people ill, that physical, they're had they have physical issues, they've got mental issues.
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SPEAKER_02: We start questioning, like, what am I doing with my life?
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SPEAKER_02: And uh, and and I am I'm seeing a lot more of it.
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SPEAKER_02: It's not just about the past life, but it's how is this how is this affecting me now today?
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SPEAKER_02: And how can I honor this?
18:42
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, how can I not just honor it?
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SPEAKER_02: And if I acknowledge it, does it make me bad?
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SPEAKER_02: Does it make other people uncomfortable?
18:50
SPEAKER_02: And I think that's where that's where we as women are programmed as as a Gen Xer.
18:56
SPEAKER_02: I know that uh children are to be seen and not heard.
18:59
SPEAKER_02: We don't want to hear your garbage, we don't want to hear your problems, just deal with it on your own time.
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SPEAKER_02: I'm not uncomfortable with this, and all this is now coming out in so many different ways.
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SPEAKER_02: The rising of the dark feminine, yes, and there's the rising of the dark feminine, and you're seeing a lot more women become angry, right?
19:19
SPEAKER_02: And they don't understand why, they just walk around pissed off all the time, yeah.
19:23
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I'm right there with you, sister.
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SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
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SPEAKER_02: But I believe that I I do believe that we are seeing a certain a resurgence of it because that dark, what what Carrie was describing is that dark feminine, that shadow is coming up, and we're just I think in general, and it's not just it's not just women, it's men and women, people of all walks of life are just starting to realize that they're tired of not being genuine, right on.
19:53
SPEAKER_02: That's it, Lorenda.
19:54
SPEAKER_01: That's because that's that's what's being right there, it's being authentic and genuine, yeah, being authentic, trying to put on front.
20:03
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, authenticity is critical for true joy and happiness.
20:08
SPEAKER_00: You just have to be able to truly be who you are and be yourself, absolutely.
20:13
SPEAKER_00: Um, so interesting, all of this.
20:15
SPEAKER_00: You know, I I've been doing this work, what, for two decades now.
20:19
SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, it's crazy, right?
20:20
SPEAKER_00: It the time flies.
20:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, and I've heard about shadow work all this time, you know.
20:26
SPEAKER_00: People bring it up, you know, you've got to make sure you're working on your shadow work.
20:29
SPEAKER_00: And um, and I always thought I was.
20:32
SPEAKER_00: And I it was maybe not even a year ago that I started just kind of hitting the ceiling in my own development, which I understand when that starts happening, it's because we're trying to grow, right?
20:44
SPEAKER_00: It's like spirit's trying to help us grow.
20:46
SPEAKER_00: Right.
20:47
SPEAKER_00: There was something that kept holding me back, and finally, I can be kind of dense, I guess, sometimes it finally occurred to me.
20:55
SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh, I haven't really done my own work on the shadow.
21:01
SPEAKER_00: Like, I haven't done my own shadow work, I haven't taken time to do that.
21:05
SPEAKER_00: And so I found um a therapist who is amazing.
21:10
SPEAKER_00: She's a medium.
21:11
SPEAKER_00: Um she's I know they're the best mediums who are therapists, like, oh uh my you can't get it up, right?
21:18
SPEAKER_00: Like it's not any better than that, right?
21:21
SPEAKER_00: And she helped me.
21:22
SPEAKER_00: We started, you know, through the whole process.
21:25
SPEAKER_00: And what I've learned, I already knew, I just had forgotten I knew it, if that makes sense.
21:31
SPEAKER_00: But so much of what was holding me back was um stuff that came up or started, I guess, or developed when I was just a little bitty kid.
21:44
SPEAKER_00: And you know, if you don't mind, I'll share this personal story with you here a little bit.
21:49
SPEAKER_00: Okay.
21:50
SPEAKER_00: Um, but as a little child, I was the baby in the family, and my older siblings were always fighting.
21:58
SPEAKER_00: I mean, like fist fighting.
22:00
SPEAKER_00: Sometimes pulling hair, like my uh my mom was always yelling at them, she's about ready to lose her mind over it, you know.
22:07
SPEAKER_00: And so the the household could be very tense.
22:10
SPEAKER_00: And I learned very quickly, I could walk in a room and read that room in two seconds, like, is everyone happy or not happy?
22:17
SPEAKER_00: Right.
22:18
SPEAKER_00: And I learned to become a people pleaser and to become the peacemaker in my family.
22:25
SPEAKER_00: And it became very, very important to me to always say yes to everyone and to keep everyone happy and be the one that comes in and brightens everything up and because of that that I don't know, that dissonance that was always there and felt so uncomfortable to me.
22:41
SPEAKER_00: And in order to feel safe, I would go in and try to be I, you know, the one, the peacemaker or whatever, and it worked.
22:50
SPEAKER_00: And I I still, that little girl is still part of me, and I I can't let her go.
22:58
SPEAKER_00: I I've tried, it doesn't, she doesn't go away, she's still there.
23:02
SPEAKER_00: But what's been really beautiful is as a result of doing the shadow work, it wasn't to get rid of this people-pleasing part of me, that wasn't it.
23:12
SPEAKER_00: It was to understand that that little girl that did that was just trying to protect me, right?
23:20
SPEAKER_00: And um to learn to love her.
23:22
SPEAKER_00: And and now because I know that that's part of who I am, uh, instead of just automatically saying yes, I know to hit the pause button and say, wait a minute, I don't really want to say yes, speaking to the authenticity, right?
23:40
SPEAKER_00: That really isn't what I want to do or how I want to spend my energy and time.
23:45
SPEAKER_00: So I can hit the pause button and I can ask myself, what you know, what is it I really want to be doing?
23:53
SPEAKER_00: And you know, saying no um and setting a boundary, so many, so many times we're taught that that's not loving, that we're being unkind when we say no or we say, I'm not gonna do that.
24:07
SPEAKER_00: But really, I've learned it's the most loving thing we can do.
24:11
SPEAKER_00: Yes, to be true to ourselves.
24:13
SPEAKER_00: And then when we set that boundary, instead of resenting the person by saying yes when we really don't want to say yes, we say no, and then we can be on ourselves and feel good about that.
24:27
SPEAKER_00: I honor that little girl, you know.
24:30
SPEAKER_00: I and I don't have to resent the person who was manipulating me or shaming me or guilty me into saying yes.
24:38
SPEAKER_00: I can just say, No, I'm not doing that.
24:41
SPEAKER_00: No, I love you, no, you know.
24:43
SPEAKER_00: Um, and it's really amazing what that has done for me.
24:48
SPEAKER_00: Just being able to really look at that inner truth, right?
24:52
SPEAKER_00: Um, so amazing.
24:54
SPEAKER_01: And doing tarot work, tarot is all about alchemy and the journey of that you're taking something and then transforming it into something better.
25:06
SPEAKER_01: It's like a recipe, it's like making the best cake you can make without certain spices, it's not going to be as flavorful.
25:12
SPEAKER_01: Without certain experiences, we are not gonna evolve.
25:16
SPEAKER_01: We don't have that level of holding space for others, of compassion, of understanding, of transformation.
25:23
SPEAKER_01: Because in your own energy, you're carrying that when you're working with the public, you know, and and also just people in your life.
25:30
SPEAKER_01: Because you can tell that's why we, you know, when you feel dear friends, you're so comfortable with them because you know they're doing the same thing, they're holding space for themselves and then holding space for each other.
25:42
SPEAKER_02: I think it's also important to acknowledge that when you do step into that shadow work, it's it's terrifying.
25:50
SPEAKER_02: Um, and I was just talking about this not too long ago, that many people refuse or are will not refuse, I shouldn't say refuse, but are resistant to doing that work, becoming authentic because there's a fear of the backlash.
26:10
unknown: Right.
26:10
SPEAKER_02: It's the fear of what if I do this and the people that love me the way I am don't love me anymore because I no longer allow them to speak to me the way they do, or because I'm not responding the way that they want me to respond.
26:26
SPEAKER_02: I am becoming the most authentic version of myself that I know, but it doesn't align with their vision of me.
26:35
SPEAKER_02: And I no longer align.
26:36
SPEAKER_02: There's that whole fear of what if my world even even if even if you look at something as simple, uh it's not simple, but um as let's look just let's talk about mundane world, like everyday world in politics.
26:48
SPEAKER_02: If you grow up in a household with one belief set, if you don't vote this way, then you're this and you're evil, and then then maybe as you grow old or as you get out of the household and you expand your horizons, maybe you see, oh, that that doesn't align with me, that doesn't align with my beliefs.
27:08
SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna go a different way and I'm gonna vote a different way.
27:11
SPEAKER_02: But then now all of a sudden, if you if you didn't do that, if you uh let me back up, some people will continue to do what they were told because if they don't, they will lose their family, right?
27:27
SPEAKER_02: And so when we talk about doing shadow work, it's the same thing when we're when we are delving in and recognizing those parts of us, sometimes we look back and go, Oh, I'm broken because of that.
27:42
SPEAKER_02: And then you have to confront it, and then you start realizing if I change, people aren't going to want to be with me.
27:48
SPEAKER_02: And is that make does that make sense?
27:49
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, so much sense.
27:50
SPEAKER_02: And and 100%.
27:52
SPEAKER_02: So I think that, and then also what I'm finding, even in my own journey, uh, is that I can speak, I can only speak for my my own journey here.
28:01
SPEAKER_02: So when I'm looking at my own shadow work and I'm I'm realizing, you know, I don't really like how I get triggered when somebody says this to me.
28:11
SPEAKER_02: So I'm going to consciously, I don't like the rabbit hole it takes me down because then I have to do backtracking and I have to do then, then I have to call a therapist, then it's just bad.
28:21
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, so so now I'm honoring that I don't want to be a certain way.
28:27
SPEAKER_02: I'm going to react instead of reacting immediately.
28:30
SPEAKER_02: It's the expectation for me, the big Leo energy in the room in the family, is to react with fire and start a fight and like jump right into the fight.
28:38
SPEAKER_02: And I'm no longer allowing myself to do that.
28:40
SPEAKER_02: I step back, I allow myself to process, right?
28:45
SPEAKER_02: And then I choose, even if I'm going to respond.
28:49
SPEAKER_02: Right.
28:51
SPEAKER_02: And if I do respond, I know it's a thoughtful response.
28:57
SPEAKER_02: What I'm what I'm being confronted with in that process in is that people are upset if I don't respond right away.
29:10
SPEAKER_02: Their response is even triggered and more and more.
29:15
SPEAKER_02: And I'm like, oh, oh, that's a lot of that's a lot of text messages I'm getting right now with a lot of assumptions.
29:21
SPEAKER_02: Right.
29:22
SPEAKER_02: Because I'm not responding the way they think I should respond, but I'm honoring myself.
29:28
SPEAKER_02: So it's a very interesting pattern to observe if I'm stepping outside of my body and observe.
29:36
SPEAKER_02: And I see that a lot with clients, I see that a lot with the Q again, client QHHC clients, mediumship clients, people really delving in and trying to live their experience, but being faced with the possibility that people are no longer going to be in alignment with them, and that is terrifying.
29:58
SPEAKER_01: It is it is absolutely for some people, it's absolutely because they it's very hard to build a new life on just your pure knowledge of your in your spiritual, you know, knowing and to draw and attract those new experiences you're wanting, which are healthy and based on expansion and support and love and balance and all those things, to you're literally leaving a form of something you've been encased in in every part of your life and then evolving it across the bridge to the other.
30:28
SPEAKER_01: So that's it's a journey.
30:30
SPEAKER_01: That's yep.
30:31
SPEAKER_01: That's why they call it the path, right?
30:33
SPEAKER_01: They call it a path.
30:35
SPEAKER_00: Right, absolutely, for sure.
30:37
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, so interesting.
30:39
SPEAKER_00: So when when you think about it, um the goal, I guess, when we're working on shadow work is not to become this person who never gets triggered.
30:50
SPEAKER_00: That's that's not the goal, right?
30:52
SPEAKER_00: It's right, it's to know that that's probably gonna happen because we're human, right?
30:57
SPEAKER_00: So we're gonna we're gonna have these moments.
31:00
SPEAKER_00: And then to be able to ask ourselves, you know, first of all, what am I feeling in this moment?
31:07
SPEAKER_00: What happened to make me feel this way, you know, and then um how do I want to respond to it instead of just reacting?
31:18
SPEAKER_00: How do I how do I want to handle this?
31:20
SPEAKER_00: How do I want to respond to it?
31:22
SPEAKER_00: Um, I I've just learned, I guess, to include with compassion that little girl that I described, you know, um, instead of uh trying to punish her or shame her or any of that.
31:38
SPEAKER_00: Um it's okay.
31:40
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you for being there for me when I was little.
31:43
SPEAKER_00: Thank you for you know helping me survive through that.
31:46
SPEAKER_00: I make it sound like my family was awful.
31:47
SPEAKER_00: They were, I have a beautiful family.
31:49
SPEAKER_00: My mom was one of the best women on the planet.
31:52
SPEAKER_00: My sisters, I love them with my whole heart.
31:54
SPEAKER_00: But as a little kid, it was, you know, that was hard.
31:57
SPEAKER_00: Big energy.
31:58
SPEAKER_00: And yeah, big energy.
32:00
SPEAKER_01: It is kind of things.
32:01
SPEAKER_01: There's so many therapeutic modalities, I'm sure, that have to do with like family parts, you know, like how we have our own family, but that even within us, we have far inner family, inner parts of ourselves.
32:15
SPEAKER_01: I think anytime we're like coming into balance and accepting everybody in the room in our subconscious, and then that does help us in our daily life as well.
32:25
SPEAKER_01: I love the idea too, especially as we're moving in because when as we're recording this, here we are in September, moving into fall in the veil.
32:33
SPEAKER_01: And I'm excited about all the different topics we're going to be covering in the podcast.
32:38
SPEAKER_01: And I think about the idea of self-reflection and the journey of self-reflection and of doing just a daily, as you do a daily reflection, whatever that small thing is, is to say, what do I need to know today?
32:52
SPEAKER_01: Possibly that I have I'm not I'm having a hard time looking at, you know, what's hard that's good, what's something that's unconscious?
32:59
SPEAKER_01: What how where do I need more love and compassion for myself?
33:02
SPEAKER_01: And even just little tasks to do that five minutes a few times a week, just really changes your diet, your energy and brings you again more into coherence, release, and just ease.
33:16
SPEAKER_00: I think.
33:18
SPEAKER_00: Okay, um, beautiful, yeah, beautiful, beautiful.
33:22
SPEAKER_00: So much to digest here and to think about as we're I'm looking at the time, like we're almost to the end of this episode.
33:29
SPEAKER_00: But before we sign off here, any uh final thoughts?
33:34
SPEAKER_00: What are your closing thoughts?
33:36
SPEAKER_00: Lorinda, what do you think?
33:38
SPEAKER_02: My my closing thoughts are just no matter how hard the shadow work feels, no matter how hard this journey feels, I I just I feel like it's important to remember that even when we're feeling sad or angry, that those are even gifts.
33:58
SPEAKER_02: We shouldn't shame ourselves for feeling those negative emotions.
34:02
SPEAKER_02: We are feeling the gift is that we feel and and allow yourself to move through that, allow yourself to honor that and not be shameful.
34:13
SPEAKER_02: Let's let's not shame ourselves anymore.
34:15
SPEAKER_02: Let's not spiritually bypass around it and be like, oh, I'm not allowed to be angry because it was meant to be that way.
34:22
SPEAKER_02: Or, you know, even in discovering through maybe a past life regression that you came in to specifically serve a role and you are serving that role, but it's okay to feel angry about things, it's okay to have the emotions that go with serving that role.
34:37
SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, just allow yourself to feel, allow yourself to evolve and allow yourself to process all the emotions that come with everyone else reacting to your evolution.
34:53
SPEAKER_02: Thank you, Dr.
34:54
SPEAKER_02: Mike.
34:54
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, beautiful.
34:56
SPEAKER_02: The spirit guy would come in.
34:58
SPEAKER_02: I knew my spirit guy would come in and like he's like, she's bumbling, she's bumbling her words today, had to come in to say something.
35:06
SPEAKER_02: So Dr.
35:06
SPEAKER_02: Mike dropped some knowledge.
35:08
SPEAKER_00: Inspiration, beautiful, inspirational speaking.
35:11
SPEAKER_00: Yes.
35:12
SPEAKER_00: Uh Carrie, what are your final thoughts?
35:15
SPEAKER_01: This is such a great topic, which I know we're gonna have many pieces of these types of conversations and episodes to come.
35:22
SPEAKER_01: So stay tuned.
35:23
SPEAKER_01: And I would say I'm gonna go back to the simplistic practice that I'm trying to instill in my own life and also with all the people that I work with, is to not make all of this inner work a huge mountain, to just live with it each day in a gentle, loving, compassionate way to ask yourself these questions, maybe through a journaling practice, pulling one card, something that helps you just reflect and go, how can I hold space for the part of me that might be challenged in some way?
35:53
SPEAKER_01: And what do I need to know?
35:54
SPEAKER_01: And as you even do those small steps, it makes great impact because it's really just showing up consistently for yourself, all parts of you.
36:04
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's beautiful.
36:05
SPEAKER_00: You so beautiful.
36:07
SPEAKER_00: Um, if I had to come up with some closing thoughts, I I think where I am right now on all this is maybe maybe spiritual maturity is not the absence of a shadow.
36:21
SPEAKER_00: Right.
36:21
SPEAKER_00: It it's this idea of embracing it and loving it and integrating it.
36:26
SPEAKER_02: Integrating it.
36:27
SPEAKER_00: Right.
36:27
SPEAKER_00: Yes, right.
36:29
SPEAKER_00: And and maybe it it it is the willingness to know our shadow well enough that it no longer has to run our lives from behind the scenes, you know.
36:40
SPEAKER_00: Like we know, we understand, okay, I get that part of me now.
36:44
SPEAKER_00: I understand that.
36:45
SPEAKER_00: We can work with this, you know.
36:47
SPEAKER_00: And as again, as a metaphysician, when I look at the law of attraction, we can still practice the law of attraction by consciously uh choosing what we want to create, um, and still honor these feelings that we have that are we call our shadow or whatever.
37:08
SPEAKER_00: You know, wholeness is being willing to bring light onto the places we once kept hidden, right?
37:15
SPEAKER_00: So um anyway, thank thank you both for uh all of your wisdom and your insights.
37:23
SPEAKER_00: I just learned so much from you every time we get together.
37:25
SPEAKER_00: I love that.
37:26
SPEAKER_00: And for everyone who's listening or tuning in to the podcast, know that we love having you here.
37:32
SPEAKER_00: Please join us.
37:33
SPEAKER_00: Continue to come along with us as we explore many more topics for this season.
37:38
SPEAKER_00: We're we're really looking forward to them.
37:40
SPEAKER_00: Um, and until next time, many blessings, everyone.
37:45
SPEAKER_00: See ya.
37:46
SPEAKER_03: Bye, everybody.