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Sharri | 18 August · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Good evening.
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Speaker 2: We've got breaking news tonight. The Sydney Swans board is
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Speaker 2: meeting right now to decide on players, sanctions and penalties.
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Speaker 2: This is the AFL finally breaks its silence over the
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Speaker 2: scandal engulfing the Swans, and more details emerge about what
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Speaker 2: allegedly happened in the early hours of Sunday morning. Full
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Speaker 2: details in just a moment. Also on the show, Julian
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Speaker 2: Lisa uses parliamentary privilege to name those he says should
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Speaker 2: be hold before the Royal Commission. He'll be on the
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Speaker 2: show a bit later. Plus the shameful snubbing of veterans
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Speaker 2: on Vietnam Veterans Day, and the Federal Court has made
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Speaker 2: an outrageous decision to overturn the visa cancelation of a
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Speaker 2: convicted sex offender. That with John o'dunham shortly, but first
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Speaker 2: let's get to this breaking news. The AFL and Swans
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Speaker 2: are looking at standing down four players for bringing the
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Speaker 2: game into disrepute by partying into the early hours of
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Speaker 2: the morning and drinking alcohol. Sources tell me the club
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Speaker 2: is examining the legalities around suspending the players for this
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Speaker 2: secondary issue of partying and alcohol. While the sexual assault.
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Speaker 2: Allegations made about an incident at an East Melbourne hotel
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Speaker 2: in the early hours of Monday morning are under investigation
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Speaker 2: and to the Breaking News, the Sydney Swans have just
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Speaker 2: released a statement moments ago. It reads, the Sydney Swans
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Speaker 2: can confirm that the club board will meet tonight to
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Speaker 2: agree on players sanctions and penalties, now that the club
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Speaker 2: has concluded its interviews with all the players involved in
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Speaker 2: the incident in Melbourne. We respect there's an ongoing investigation
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Speaker 2: by Victoria Police and any actions we take are independent
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Speaker 2: of this. The club believes the players are in serious
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Speaker 2: breach of expected club behavior and standards, and it is
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Speaker 2: appropriate to take firm action and highlight that any sanction
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Speaker 2: we impose relates solely to those breaches. The club also
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Speaker 2: acknowledges that these serious allegations impact others and their well
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Speaker 2: being must be paramount So that breaking news right there
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Speaker 2: that the Sydney Swan's board is meeting as we speak
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Speaker 2: looking at penalties and sanctions for the players. And as
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Speaker 2: I said, this is understood to relate to the secondary
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Speaker 2: issue of the players parting into the early hours of
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Speaker 2: the morning and consuming alcohol, rather than the issue of
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Speaker 2: the investigation, which is with Victoria Police. Now this statement
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Speaker 2: comes as fresh footage has emerged of coach Dean Cox
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Speaker 2: and some staff heading into a bar after midnight. The
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Speaker 2: Herald Sign has obtained this vision you're seeing in your
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Speaker 2: screen right now, and it does show Cox walking into
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Speaker 2: a buy in Richmond and then he leaves in a
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Speaker 2: vehicle around one am. Four players from the Sidney Swans
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Speaker 2: linked to the investigation, Isaac Keeney, Chad Warner, James Jordan
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Speaker 2: and Riley Weiss have been questioned by police. Now some
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Speaker 2: of them have partners of fiancees and the AFL tonight
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Speaker 2: has finally broken its silence, with chief executive Andrew Dillon
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Speaker 2: saying the woman who made the police report is entitled
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Speaker 2: to privacy and care. He also hit back at those
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Speaker 2: who complained this was all impacting the game so close
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Speaker 2: to the finals. He said that sexual assault allegations are serious,
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Speaker 2: irrespective of who's involved, what time of year it is,
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Speaker 2: or what it may mean for a season. Here's what
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Speaker 2: Andrew Dillon said in his statement. He said, our first
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Speaker 2: question should not be what this means for.
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Speaker 3: A football club.
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Speaker 2: As a sport and as an industry, we are clear
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Speaker 2: about the standards we expect and the values we stand for,
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Speaker 2: and the need to uphold them. Being clear about our
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Speaker 2: standards also means being prepared to act when those standards
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Speaker 2: are not met. Notwithstanding the ongoing police investigation, the AFL
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Speaker 2: and Sydney Swans will consider the broader conduct of the
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Speaker 2: players as more information comes to light. Now Victorian police
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Speaker 2: have clarified they're still investigating and no arrests or chargers
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Speaker 2: have been late. They said that police spoke to a
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Speaker 2: number of people at the hotel. However, no one has
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Speaker 2: been arrested or formally interviewed at this time, but they
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Speaker 2: confirm the Sexual Crime Squad is investigating a report of
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Speaker 2: sexual assault. On seventeenth of August, in the early hours
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Speaker 2: of the morning, the Swans had won the game against
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Speaker 2: Essendon at the MCG on Sunday night. Many players then
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Speaker 2: went out for dinner and drinks around seven hours long.
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Speaker 2: Between two point fifteen am and three forty am, groups
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Speaker 2: of players reportedly returned to the club's hotel. The Australian
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Speaker 2: newspaper reports that one player had arranged for at least
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Speaker 2: two women to join him at the Wellington Parade hotel.
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Speaker 2: A commotion then erupted in the hotel room of one
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Speaker 2: of the players when one of the women claimed their
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Speaker 2: understanding of what was off limits was breached. Sources say
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Speaker 2: in the Frakka, at least one of the women left
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Speaker 2: the room and headed downstairs, where they confronted club and
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Speaker 2: hotel staff. Onlookers in the hotel lobby overheard a woman
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Speaker 2: who was visibly and audibly upset telling the venue and
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Speaker 2: club staff that she'd been inappropriately touched. Now, this is
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Speaker 2: all playing out publicly before the facts have been established.
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Speaker 2: The Swans has been conducting its own investigation as well
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Speaker 2: as the AFL Integrity un in it, and the Swan's
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Speaker 2: chief executive made these initial comments yesterday.
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Speaker 4: We're still peaking together exactly what's transpired here and have
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Speaker 4: our own set of internal inquiries ongoing. It's sad to
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Speaker 4: say that we're extremely shocked and disappointed whether this has
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Speaker 4: taken place and whether the players have found themselves in
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Speaker 4: this situation. We understand the level of interest in the
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Speaker 4: matter and there's going to be lots of speculation, but
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Speaker 4: given it's a police matter right now, that is all
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Speaker 4: that we can say.
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Speaker 2: And today Sydney Coach of Dean Cox fronted the media,
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Speaker 2: saying he was extremely disappointed. That's before the vision of
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Speaker 2: him emerged just tonight. Captain Callum Mills also.
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Speaker 5: Spoke, Yeah, obviously extremely disappointed with what's happened, and understand
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Speaker 5: the questions and we'll update as we as we get
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Speaker 5: the more information.
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Speaker 6: Have you spoken to the plays for all the enbot it.
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Speaker 1: Were speakers? We as the day, so good on your days.
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Speaker 5: Oh can't comment on it.
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Speaker 6: We don't know back. Sorry, guys, thank you very haven't
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Speaker 6: spoken to any of the boys in world.
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Speaker 7: I can't comment.
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Speaker 6: Thank you, guys, appreciate it.
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Speaker 3: Let's just go now.
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Speaker 2: This may change after the board meeting tonight, but up
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Speaker 2: until now the club hadn't suspended any players. Neither has
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Speaker 2: the AFL, which also has the power to stand down players.
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Speaker 2: You might recall back in twenty twenty the Swan stood
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Speaker 2: down Ellie R. Taylor when he was charged with assault. Now,
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Speaker 2: even though we don't know the details of this investigation,
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Speaker 2: AFL Great Luke Hodge today said that that's exactly what
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Speaker 2: should happen, That they should be stood down until they've
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Speaker 2: been cleared or until more information emerges.
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Speaker 8: Should they stand the players down this morning.
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Speaker 1: I think if the reports are as serious as what
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Speaker 1: we hear, I think that they have to do that
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Speaker 1: they've got to stand them down until they're either cleared
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Speaker 1: or until more information comes out.
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Speaker 2: But even as the police have been at pains to
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Speaker 2: point out that they're still taking statements to try and
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Speaker 2: get to the bottom of the matter. The Victorian Premier
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Speaker 2: Ben Carroll through his support behind the alleged victim.
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Speaker 9: It is so important that every girl woman not only
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Speaker 9: feels safe, but is safe and knows that they are
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Speaker 9: protected and that they can be safe going about their
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Speaker 9: everyday lives. This is horrible what has been reported. It
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Speaker 9: is under police investigation, but every young woman, young girl,
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Speaker 9: every female deserves to be treated with respect.
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Speaker 2: There are also calls for the AFL to examine its
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Speaker 2: culture and the inclusion of women after this explosive investigation
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Speaker 2: into sexual assault, and AFL women's player Kate McCarthy has
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Speaker 2: come out publicly against the language used by the swan's
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Speaker 2: chief executive Matthew Pavlich. Kate says, is there really any
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Speaker 2: surprise that women within the industry experienced such horrific misogyny
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Speaker 2: when the role models or people in positions of power
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Speaker 2: like CEOs of clubs use language, saying that the players
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Speaker 2: found themselves in this situation. For there still has a
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Speaker 2: long way to run. Police need to establish the facts.
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Speaker 2: But coming on the eve of the finals, this looks
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Speaker 2: like it could escalate into the worst scandal to befollow
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Speaker 2: the club in decades and it seems entirely self inflicted.
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Speaker 2: And will bring you more breaking news on the board
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Speaker 2: meeting as it comes to light throughout the app the
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Speaker 2: hour and the evening. Now Liberal and p Juli and
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Speaker 2: Lisa today delivered an extraordinary speech in Parliament excoriating the
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Speaker 2: Royal Commission for failing to call witnesses who he says
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Speaker 2: should answer questions about anti Semitism and for letting Albanesi
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Speaker 2: government ministers off the hook. Julian Lisa said, this is
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Speaker 2: the Royal Commission the Albanezi government never wanted, and now
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Speaker 2: it's stifling the inquiry by imposing a set time frame.
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Speaker 2: Now the commission is set to run for just eleven months.
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Speaker 2: It should run for two years at least. Even former
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Speaker 2: Federal Court judge and Farmer Disability Commissioner Ronald Sackville said
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Speaker 2: it was too short when he joined me on the
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Speaker 2: show yesterday. If it were you doing it, you would
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Speaker 2: seek an extension more than eleven months.
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Speaker 6: If it were made doing it.
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Speaker 3: All sorts of things might have happened, but if I
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Speaker 3: were to forward an application and extension, it would have
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Speaker 3: been much earlier than right now.
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Speaker 2: Well, Julian Lisa today said the Royal Commission has failed
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Speaker 2: to hold individuals to account. He says this was one
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Speaker 2: of its key tasks.
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Speaker 3: If leaders and decision makers are not held to account
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Speaker 3: by the Royal Commission, the anti Semitism that has run
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Speaker 3: rampant in our institutions will only continue. Those who are
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Speaker 3: not called, who are not asked to answer for their
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Speaker 3: decisions and actions. The message will be that they are
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Speaker 3: not responsible, but there is no consequence for the failure
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Speaker 3: to lead.
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Speaker 2: And under parliamentary privilege. Julian and Lisa named those who
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Speaker 2: he says should be called Matt Chan, Clementine Ford, John Menaju,
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Speaker 2: Randa abdel Fatar. And here's what Julian Lisa said about Randa.
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Speaker 3: Why haven't we heard from academics like Randa Abdolphatar, who
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Speaker 3: refuses even to be quoted in an article alongside anyone
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Speaker 3: she deems as a Zionist and encourages children to support
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Speaker 3: an into fada, but we saw an intofada at Bondai.
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Speaker 3: It means more dead Jewish bodies.
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Speaker 2: Julian Lisa also said that the chair and the Chief
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Speaker 2: Executive of CREATE of Australia, Wesley Enoch and Adrian Collett,
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Speaker 2: should also be called to give evidence about their decision
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Speaker 2: to make grant after grant of taxpayer money with a
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Speaker 2: preference for artists to propagate an anti Israel or anti
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Speaker 2: Jewish message. He said that university vice chancellors too should
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Speaker 2: be caught. He named Genevieve Bell from the Australian National
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Speaker 2: University and Duncan Muskel from Melbourne University. And Lisa also
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Speaker 2: said that the protest organizers and the preachers should be
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Speaker 2: on the stand.
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Speaker 6: Recently, we saw the grotesquaie in the Royal Commission of
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Speaker 6: Protest Organizers cross examining an Australian Jewish communal leader in
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Speaker 6: Australia about the actions of a foreign government, the government
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Speaker 6: of Israel, as if he were responsible for Israel, or
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Speaker 6: that Israel's active actions justified the targeting of Jews here,
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Speaker 6: why weren't the protest organizers on the stand?
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Speaker 2: And then he named Wissam Haddad, Sheikh Ibrahim de Doone,
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Speaker 2: Josh Lees Green's MP, Jenny Leong Green Senator Marine Ferruki
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Speaker 2: as others who should be called. And he's right, where
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Speaker 2: is the accountability from the Royal Commission? Why hasn't it
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Speaker 2: subpoenaed these individuals and others like them to give evidence
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Speaker 2: to answer questions. Julian Lisa also said, as we've been
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Speaker 2: talking about here on the show, that the Commission had
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Speaker 2: failed to hear from prominent Jewish Australians or Australians that
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Speaker 2: have expertise in this area. And as you know we've
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Speaker 2: been talking about it, the most senior Jewish politician in
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Speaker 2: Australian parliamentary history, Josh Friedenberg, was rejected from giving evidence.
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Speaker 2: The Commission also hasn't heard from Nova Paris or Mike Kelly,
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Speaker 2: and there are others too. Jennifer Westercott, the singular figure
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Speaker 2: showing leadership in the tertiary education sector, hasn't been called.
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Speaker 2: Neither has Dave Shama, the former diplomat to Israel. But then,
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Speaker 2: most powerfully, Julian Lisa demanded that the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi,
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Speaker 2: the Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke, the Foreign Affairs Minister
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Speaker 2: Penny Wong, the Education Minister Jason Clair, and the Attorney
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Speaker 2: General Michel Roland all be called to the stand. Now,
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Speaker 2: this may seem simply political to you, but it's not.
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Speaker 2: Remember ASIO director Mike Burgess publicly want that the greatest
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Speaker 2: threat to life in Australia was to Australian Jews. Well,
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Speaker 2: we need to know what these ministers running the country
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Speaker 2: did after ASIO gave that very explicit warning. What action
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Speaker 2: did they take. Their first duty isn't to indulge in
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Speaker 2: all of their pet projects or waste taxpayer money. It's
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Speaker 2: to keep all Australians safe. Now, here's Julian Lisa in
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Speaker 2: Parliament today explaining why the Prime Minister and his top
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Speaker 2: team need to give evidence.
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Speaker 3: Explain your decisions and actions in the two years leading
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Speaker 3: up to Bondai. Let the Commission and the public be
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Speaker 3: the judge. We know where we ended up, fifteen dead
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Speaker 3: bodies on Bondai beach. Let us hear from them under oath.
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Speaker 3: Let us hear from them what went wrong from the
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Speaker 3: very top.
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Speaker 2: But Albanezi won't do this, and his hand pick Commissioner
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Speaker 2: Virginia Belle won't call him. If Albanezi can't bring himself
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Speaker 2: to apologize for a crass joke about melons, He's hardly
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Speaker 2: going to front a Royal Commission and account honestly for
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Speaker 2: his leadership failures in confronting Islamic extremism, terrorism and anti Semitism.
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Speaker 2: It's far easier to announce new gun laws that cast
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Speaker 2: farmers and recreational shooters as the problem. And as I said,
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Speaker 2: Julie and Lisa will be on the show tonight a
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Speaker 2: bit later, so I'll come back to that, but first,
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Speaker 2: now veterans have blasted the Veterans Affairs Minister Matt Keo
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Speaker 2: for declining to sit down and meet with them. It
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Speaker 2: left the former Royal Air Force pilot Tim Nelson gobsmacked.
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Speaker 10: Minister Keyo was forced to have a meeting with us
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Speaker 10: at five point thirty. It was obvious he did not
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Speaker 10: want to be there. He even let us know that
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Speaker 10: he was missing an appointment with the Governor General, which
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Speaker 10: he was.
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Speaker 6: Very upset about.
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Speaker 10: He walked into the room, refused to shake our hand,
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Speaker 10: sat down with his arms crossed, and rolled his eyes
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Speaker 10: when we started telling him about the effect that this
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Speaker 10: cap already is having on veterans that.
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Speaker 2: After Matt was forced into having the meeting. Now, this
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Speaker 2: was because labor didn't want to scrap or doesn't want
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Speaker 2: to scrap a five thousand dollars cap on Allied Health
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Speaker 2: as funding for veterans. Well, Matt key O then admitted
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Speaker 2: that he was wrong. Here's what he said in question
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Speaker 2: time today.
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Speaker 11: I acknowledged that I got it wrong in not agreeing
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Speaker 11: to meet with them last week when that initial request
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Speaker 11: came in.
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Speaker 6: I owned that, and I met with them, and I
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Speaker 6: heard them last the last night.
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Speaker 2: And joining me now to discuss former Victorian Liberal Party
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Speaker 2: president Michael Kroger and New's twenty four host Steve Price.
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Speaker 2: Good to see you both. Well, Michael, this is pretty
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Speaker 2: shameful on the day that marks the Battle of Longtan
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Speaker 2: back in nineteen sixty six.
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Speaker 12: You know, Shari, the Ministry of Veterans Affairs. There's probably
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Speaker 12: no more sacred ministry is there in the federal government
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Speaker 12: to be given the honor of being the Minister for
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Speaker 12: Veterans Affairs. Joe Lyons prime minister held that portfolio. Billy
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Speaker 12: Hughes after his primeister held that portfolio. More recently, people
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Speaker 12: like the Great Michael Ronaldson, Bruce Bilson, Dan Tan and
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Speaker 12: in the Keating government, the late and much loved and
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Speaker 12: respected con Shaker Labor Minister between two four and two six.
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Speaker 12: And now this bloke. If you can't be sacked for
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Speaker 12: disrespecting veterans, which would be right up there amongst the
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Speaker 12: most gregious political crimes in this country. If you can't
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Speaker 12: be sacked for that, what can you be sacked for
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Speaker 12: under Anthony Elbanezi Shari?
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Speaker 2: And what's worse Steve is that? And by the way,
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Speaker 2: well said Michael, But what's worse Steve is that even
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Speaker 2: when he met with them, I mean, by the account
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Speaker 2: of the meeting that we just heard, it sound like
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Speaker 2: it sounds like he was quite rude.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, apparently he sat there with his arms folded, rolled
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Speaker 7: his eyes, refused to shake hands on the way in.
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Speaker 7: He did say in Parliament today he shook hands on
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Speaker 7: the way out. I'm not sure any of those veterans
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Speaker 7: there at the end of the day would have wanted
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Speaker 7: to shake hands with Matt Ko. I mean, seriously, to
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Speaker 7: cap veterans' medical expenses at five thousand dollars is such
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Speaker 7: a bad piece of policy. And that's what this is
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Speaker 7: all about you've got to get rid of that cap.
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Speaker 7: I mean it's ridiculous. I mean you think about, you
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Speaker 7: know what a psychiatrist's appointment's going to cost you. You
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Speaker 7: think about what all of the medical issues that you
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Speaker 7: might have as a returning veteran. I mean, in this instance,
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Speaker 7: we're talking on the Battle of Long Tanday. But all
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Speaker 7: of those boys and girls that came back out of
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Speaker 7: the Middle East, imagine saying to them they can only
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Speaker 7: get five thousand dollars. I mean, the Department of Veteran
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Speaker 7: Affairs has been so badly handed for so long, it's ridiculous.
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Speaker 7: I would suggest to Matt Keo and to Anthony Albanezi,
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Speaker 7: why don't you, Matt go and sit down with Keith
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Speaker 7: Payne VC who won that VC in a battle in Vietnam,
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Speaker 7: and ask him what he did for his country. He
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Speaker 7: fought in Malaysia, he fought in Borneo, he fought in Vietnam.
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Speaker 7: He is ninety two years old. Now imagine what he
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Speaker 7: thinks when he sees a bloke like Ki who's had
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Speaker 7: no military experience, and what Kio has done to these people.
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Speaker 11: It's drift, No, it.
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Speaker 2: Is indeed, look it adds to the perception that this
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Speaker 2: government is just disrespectful to veterans. I mean, you look
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Speaker 2: at the way that the AFP Commissioner decided to arrest
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Speaker 2: Ben Robert Smith as well. All right, let's turn to
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Speaker 2: the I mean, we're seeing more policies from Pauline Hanson
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Speaker 2: every day, and today her plan to tackle the illicit
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Speaker 2: tobacco trade and organize crime. Now, Michael, she wants to
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Speaker 2: remove the seventy five percent seventy five percent of the
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Speaker 2: tobacco excise. It would cut the price of cigarettes by
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Speaker 2: nearly thirty dollars. But it's not actually about the price
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Speaker 2: of cigarettes. The argument, of course, Michael, is that you know,
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Speaker 2: this tobacco excise has been driving organized crime in quite
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Speaker 2: a big way, particularly in New South Wales.
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Speaker 12: So it looks as if, in round figures, the cost
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Speaker 12: of a cigarette has gone The text on a cigarette
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Speaker 12: has gone from a dollar twelve to a dollar fifty
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Speaker 12: five under the the Albanese government, a pretty hefty rise.
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Speaker 12: This is fueled the black market, So I have to
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Speaker 12: say I think Hanson's right. I mean, receipts have gone
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Speaker 12: from twelve billion to four billion because everyone's buying them
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Speaker 12: on the black market where they're twenty dollars instead of
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Speaker 12: forty dollars. So I think she's right. Down here in
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Speaker 12: Victoria Sharry, they've slowed recently, but we've had that many
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Speaker 12: fire bombings of tobacco shops, the illegal tobacco shops opening everywhere,
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Speaker 12: gangland wars down here, people being paid to drive cars
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Speaker 12: through tobacco shops. We've had this war between the various
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Speaker 12: illegal groups, some of the Middle Eastern crime gangs allegedly.
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Speaker 12: So typically Jim Charmers says, Oh, I don't think that
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Speaker 12: would have any effect. I mean, it doesn't have any
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Speaker 12: He doesn't have a clue Jim Charmers about anything. And
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Speaker 12: you know, honestly, and I think Hanson's right. You know,
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Speaker 12: if you make if you disincentive, if you give a
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Speaker 12: disincentive for people to bring in illegal cigarettes by reducing
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Speaker 12: the price of the inward cigarettes, then there's no margin
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Speaker 12: for the criminals. So what's happening at the minute doesn't
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Speaker 12: seem to be working. So yeah, I think she's right.
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Speaker 2: Do you think this is the answer?
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Speaker 7: Steve One worked in Canada when they had the same problem,
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Speaker 7: And Michael and I know a place in Melbourne called
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Speaker 7: Chapel Street. Very well, we've had worry.
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Speaker 6: I know that.
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Speaker 2: Well, Illegue, Well, all the shopping.
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Speaker 7: Illy not anymore.
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Speaker 6: You wouldn't go.
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Speaker 7: It's full of drugged out lunatics running around with machetes.
22:36
Speaker 7: You wouldn't want to go anywhere near it. But these
22:38
Speaker 7: tobacco shops down there, the state government passed laws to
22:41
Speaker 7: say it's illegal to sell these illegal cigarettes. I decided
22:45
Speaker 7: to test that out a cup about three months ago.
22:48
Speaker 7: I went into three shops and bought three packets of
22:50
Speaker 7: cigarettes for about fourteen dollars a packet, within about two
22:53
Speaker 7: hundred meters of each other. So no one's policing it.
22:56
Speaker 7: The police don't give her rats about it. They don't
22:58
Speaker 7: want to go in there and arrest people for selling
23:01
Speaker 7: these things. And so you know, Pauline again is ahead
23:05
Speaker 7: of the pack. I saw Matt Canavan on News twenty
23:08
Speaker 7: four tonight saying, oh, well, you know, one day she
23:11
Speaker 7: says it's this price, and the next day that forget
23:14
Speaker 7: about that, Matt. She has done the right thing. Lead
23:17
Speaker 7: the lead the issue on things, say to people, we're
23:21
Speaker 7: going to stop these firebombings, and that's one way to
23:23
Speaker 7: do it.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it is Steve step go for it.
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Speaker 12: The good news, Steve is And you know, Steve, I
23:29
Speaker 12: just lived near Chapel Street. There hasn't been a fire
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Speaker 12: bombing of an illegal tobacco shop, a fire bombing of
23:35
Speaker 12: a nightclub, or a gangland murder in Chapel Street for
23:38
Speaker 12: at least a month. At least a month that's gone by, mate.
23:41
Speaker 2: It's terrible that that is the good news. I just
23:44
Speaker 2: wanted to add, though that conversation that Pauline Hanson is
23:46
Speaker 2: on the same page as new Southerwist Premier Chris Men'
23:49
Speaker 2: who's been arguing that this high excise is causing this.
23:53
Speaker 2: He's been raising this for some time with the federal government,
23:57
Speaker 2: with the Treasurer, but the federal government, you know, just
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Speaker 2: don't want to change the policy. Look, we're really running
24:03
Speaker 2: out of time, but very quickly before we go, Chris
24:06
Speaker 2: Bowlan is reportedly scrobbling to fill seats at his taxpayer
24:09
Speaker 2: funded climate summit in Fiji. I mean, Michael, this costs
24:13
Speaker 2: twenty million dollars. I mean, this whole exercise was for
24:17
Speaker 2: his own ego, wasn't it. And now we're hearing that
24:20
Speaker 2: he's turning to the Global Union Public Services International to
24:24
Speaker 2: get people to turn up.
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Speaker 12: Look at they wan to be facetious chari but it
24:29
Speaker 12: seems to be a very low level conference. Why can't
24:32
Speaker 12: they do it by zoom? Why do they all have
24:34
Speaker 12: to fly to Fijian's been twenty million? You know, really
24:39
Speaker 12: it's taxpayers money. They couldn't care two hoots.
24:43
Speaker 2: Yeah indeed, all right, Michael Kroger, Steve Price, thank you
24:47
Speaker 2: very so much. Now to a story that's made a
24:51
Speaker 2: lot of people are angry today. A convicted child sex
24:54
Speaker 2: offender may be allowed to stay in Australia after the
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Speaker 2: Federal Court overturned the cancelation his protection visa. This is
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Speaker 2: a fifty year old he's been living in Australia since
25:04
Speaker 2: the High Courts and z YQ decision, which meant the
25:07
Speaker 2: release of hundreds of convicted foreign criminals. Now in an
25:12
Speaker 2: absurd move. The court was swayed by the advice of therapists,
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Speaker 2: with one saying that a permanent visa would provide a
25:20
Speaker 2: level of security that may reduce the risk of criminal
25:23
Speaker 2: or sexual offending or reducing the risk to the community.
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Speaker 2: This story in The Australian Today.
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Speaker 3: Now.
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Speaker 2: Just last week in the show, we revealed that sixteen
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Speaker 2: child sex offenders had their visa cancelations overturned by another tribunal,
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Speaker 2: and another four hundred and fifty nine convicted criminals also
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Speaker 2: had their visa cancelations overturned well. For more Now, Shadow
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Speaker 2: Home Affairs Minister John O Duniam joins me, JOHNO, as
25:53
Speaker 2: I said, I mean, we were just speaking about this
25:55
Speaker 2: issue last week. What do you think of the advice
25:59
Speaker 2: that we read about today from these therapists.
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Speaker 8: I'd love to know, Shari, where these therapists get their
26:06
Speaker 8: registration from, because frankly, I think it needs to be revoked.
26:11
Speaker 8: The idea that a court could find, on the basis
26:14
Speaker 8: of advice from a therapist that we as a community
26:18
Speaker 8: might be safer or this individual might be less likely
26:21
Speaker 8: to offend, but if they stay here and are given
26:24
Speaker 8: some sort of ongoing protection visa or similar is frankly
26:28
Speaker 8: gob smacking. The best protection we can give to our country,
26:32
Speaker 8: to the people who live here, the safety of women
26:34
Speaker 8: and children in our community, is to send.
26:37
Speaker 13: These people home.
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Speaker 8: They don't belong here. You break the law, you do
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Speaker 8: something heinous like this, we should be sending you on
26:43
Speaker 8: the first plane out.
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Speaker 6: So I think, and I.
26:46
Speaker 8: Would hope that there is an appeal on foot for
26:48
Speaker 8: this overturning of the visa, because honestly, we cannot and
26:52
Speaker 8: the government should not abide by allowing courts to decide
26:55
Speaker 8: who's here and taking the advice of therapists from goodness
26:59
Speaker 8: knows where to decide whether they should be in this
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Speaker 8: country or not.
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Speaker 2: Not just this case, but looking at the figures I
27:07
Speaker 2: just mentioned, you know, four hundred and fifty nine convicted
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Speaker 2: criminals and other sixteen child sex offenders having their visa
27:13
Speaker 2: cancelations overturned. So obviously the government is doing the right
27:18
Speaker 2: thing in counseling their visas. What needs to happen to
27:21
Speaker 2: make sure that the cancelations can't be overturned by either
27:25
Speaker 2: a federal court or a tribunal.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, look, and so the right decision is being made
27:32
Speaker 8: in the first instance, that's correct, and I think that
27:35
Speaker 8: needs to be backed up again by, as we've discussed previously,
27:39
Speaker 8: stronger ministerial directions so that members of the art can
27:44
Speaker 8: see what it is the government's intent is when it
27:46
Speaker 8: comes to protecting our community, the kind of people we
27:49
Speaker 8: are happy to have stay in our country under certain circumstances,
27:53
Speaker 8: and the types we should be booting post haste. And
27:57
Speaker 8: of course then if that isn't strong enough, then let's
28:00
Speaker 8: end the laws. Let's look at the basic laws we
28:03
Speaker 8: have governing who is able to stay in this country,
28:06
Speaker 8: what are the thresholds for removal from Australia. And you
28:09
Speaker 8: know what, again, here we are in Parliament this week.
28:11
Speaker 8: I'm happy to sit down with Tony Burke. I'm happy
28:14
Speaker 8: to sit down with Michelle Roland, even the Prime Minister
28:17
Speaker 8: if we need to and actually amend the laws so
28:19
Speaker 8: that we can make sure if a decision is made
28:21
Speaker 8: to boot an evil individual like the ones we're talking
28:25
Speaker 8: about here child sex offenders, we should get them out.
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Speaker 2: What needs to change though, specifically with the law, because
28:31
Speaker 2: you know, your first suggestion of ministerial intervention I mean,
28:34
Speaker 2: Shirley four hundred and fifty nine ministerio interventions is unsustainable.
28:39
Speaker 2: It would take up the Home Affairs Minister's entire job.
28:41
Speaker 2: So how does the law specifically need to change?
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Speaker 8: So with a ministerial direction, that is a direction in
28:50
Speaker 8: writing almost like a regulation, a legislative instrument. To members
28:55
Speaker 8: of the Administrative Review Tribunal, this is what the government means,
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Speaker 8: this is what we think thresholds are for deportation or
29:03
Speaker 8: for cancelation of visas, So that is a one off
29:06
Speaker 8: and it should be a guard to members of that
29:09
Speaker 8: quasi judicial body to boot these kinds of people. If
29:13
Speaker 8: it is changes to the law, to the Criminal Code,
29:16
Speaker 8: or to the Migration Act, or to a regulation relating
29:20
Speaker 8: to the Migration Act, then let's just be clear about
29:23
Speaker 8: what we deem to be a threshold for booting someone
29:26
Speaker 8: from the country.
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Speaker 6: If we need to.
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Speaker 8: Insert new criminal offenses or ones that exist and make
29:32
Speaker 8: sure they're specified as a reason to cancel a visa,
29:35
Speaker 8: then let's do it. This is not rocket science and
29:38
Speaker 8: the government can do something. They've got willing accomplices here
29:41
Speaker 8: to keep Australia safe. So we're ready to work with
29:43
Speaker 8: them and they should do it tomorrow.
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Speaker 2: As you've heard this week, Pauline Hansen has called the
29:49
Speaker 2: visa system a scam on the Australian people. She's talking
29:53
Speaker 2: about allowing three hundred and eighty five thousand spouses and
29:56
Speaker 2: their dependent children to enter the country off the back
29:59
Speaker 2: of you know, these student and graduate visas. So she's
30:03
Speaker 2: saying that this shouldn't happen. Do you agree that these
30:07
Speaker 2: numbers need to come down. And also do you think
30:09
Speaker 2: it's worrying broadly for the coalition that she's setting the
30:13
Speaker 2: agenda on issues like this.
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Speaker 8: Well, firstly, I do agree that the numbers have to
30:20
Speaker 8: come down. The student migrant pathway, the visas available for
30:25
Speaker 8: people to come here to study should not be a
30:28
Speaker 8: backdoor for family visas to Australia allowing entire families to
30:33
Speaker 8: relocate temporarily or in many cases permanently. So that needs
30:38
Speaker 8: reform and that's something we're working on now. Look, am
30:42
Speaker 8: I worried that Paul Enhanson has something to say about migration. No,
30:48
Speaker 8: she put out a tweet this morning that dominated the agenda.
30:52
Speaker 8: She has had things to say. She's a participant in
30:55
Speaker 8: the public debate. We've got our policies or some of
30:59
Speaker 8: our us is in the migration space out for the
31:01
Speaker 8: world to see, whether it's about picking the number of
31:04
Speaker 8: people we allow into this country to the number of
31:06
Speaker 8: houses we actually build, or insisting that people must have
31:10
Speaker 8: our values as a condition of their visa when they
31:13
Speaker 8: come to Australia. There'll be more to say around what
31:16
Speaker 8: we do when it comes to students, international students, skilled
31:21
Speaker 8: margrants as well, and how we'll actually make a skilled
31:24
Speaker 8: visa list work for our country rather than us work
31:27
Speaker 8: for it.
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Speaker 2: You still don't have your number though, you still don't
31:29
Speaker 2: have your migration figure out.
31:31
Speaker 8: No, like, I'm going.
31:33
Speaker 2: To ask you that every week until it's out.
31:36
Speaker 8: And I again will make the same promise every week
31:40
Speaker 8: that we will give you a number. More importantly, we'll
31:42
Speaker 8: tell you how we reach the number.
31:43
Speaker 2: It's not doing it's not doing us a favor. I mean,
31:47
Speaker 2: you know, if you guys want to be on the
31:49
Speaker 2: on the same fight as Pauline Hanson and migration, you've
31:52
Speaker 2: got to tell people you know what you're.
31:53
Speaker 11: Going to lower it to.
31:55
Speaker 8: Yeah, true, true, But I'm not going to pluck a
31:58
Speaker 8: number out of thin air. I'm going to tell you
31:59
Speaker 8: if you I'm going to respect their intelligence, how we
32:02
Speaker 8: got the number and what it means for our future.
32:04
Speaker 8: So I'm going to do it the proper way, not
32:06
Speaker 8: to break numbers up like one nation. Have you well
32:08
Speaker 8: before the election, not this week, not next week, but
32:11
Speaker 8: it will be.
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Speaker 6: Soon, all right, darniamm. Good to see you.
32:15
Speaker 2: Feels like a repeat of policy delays before the last election.
32:20
Speaker 2: All right, still to come. Labour's mass text message scare
32:24
Speaker 2: campaign that Pauline Hanson and the Liberals plan to scrap
32:27
Speaker 2: super This is the scare campaign. I'll speak to Daily
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Speaker 2: Telly editor Ben English about the latest on the Swan
32:33
Speaker 2: scandal as well after the break. Welcome back, and let's
32:40
Speaker 2: turn to today's top story and the breaking news tonight.
32:43
Speaker 2: The Sydney Swans board are currently meeting and I'm joined
32:46
Speaker 2: by the Daily Telegraph editor Ben English. Ben, reading between
32:50
Speaker 2: the lines of their statement, does it sound to you
32:52
Speaker 2: like they are preparing to have some sanctions or penalties
32:56
Speaker 2: on some of the players.
32:57
Speaker 13: Without doubt they're talking about they've actually described it as
33:01
Speaker 13: a serious breach of expected club behavior and they're going
33:06
Speaker 13: to take firm action. I mean that's from Dylan, but
33:07
Speaker 13: this was from actually the Swans.
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Speaker 6: Ye, we do.
33:11
Speaker 13: So there's four players involved. The speculation, not that we
33:16
Speaker 13: should really go with that, is that it's at least
33:18
Speaker 13: two games, but for one of the players involved, and
33:22
Speaker 13: this is the front page story that we have for tomorrow,
33:26
Speaker 13: who may be subject to criminal charges. This is all
33:31
Speaker 13: This is all still up in the air, still being
33:32
Speaker 13: investigated by police. But our front page story talks about
33:36
Speaker 13: the allegation is that there was an off limits that
33:40
Speaker 13: a woman described there were off limits areas where she
33:43
Speaker 13: was not to be touched and she was that's her allegation.
33:46
Speaker 13: So if that is actually results in charges, then you
33:50
Speaker 13: will see some significant, significant weeks out.
33:54
Speaker 2: So I kind of jumped into the spot area, which
33:56
Speaker 2: I'm not usually in, and I made some calls today
34:00
Speaker 2: sources told me, which is I think where this statement
34:02
Speaker 2: is going. That the Sydney Swans and the AFL aren't
34:07
Speaker 2: going to suspend any players for the police investigation. They
34:09
Speaker 2: want to let that play out. People are entitled to
34:12
Speaker 2: the presumption of innocence.
34:13
Speaker 6: But where they.
34:14
Speaker 2: Are going to have sanctions penalties suspending players is around
34:19
Speaker 2: the fact that they were out until the early hours,
34:21
Speaker 2: they were consuming alcohol, they were partying, and this was
34:24
Speaker 2: bringing the game and the club into disrepute.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, that's one hundred percent right, and they do have
34:29
Speaker 13: provisions for that, and so I think that's where they're
34:32
Speaker 13: going to have to go because this is tricky, as
34:34
Speaker 13: we've seen so often in the last sort of five
34:36
Speaker 13: or six years, that you do have to have a
34:40
Speaker 13: presumption of innocence, you do have to have the course
34:42
Speaker 13: of natural justice to take its course, But at the
34:44
Speaker 13: same time, This is a huge black mark for the
34:47
Speaker 13: game and particularly for the Swans, which have always sort
34:50
Speaker 13: of presented themselves of the clean skins.
34:51
Speaker 1: Of the game.
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Speaker 2: Let's have a look at that vision I mentioned earlier
34:55
Speaker 2: in the show of the coach Dean Cox. That's right
34:59
Speaker 2: leaving a a nightclub and then arriving at a bar.
35:03
Speaker 2: So he was arriving at a bar after midnight and
35:06
Speaker 2: then he gets in a vehicle around one am. The
35:09
Speaker 2: Herald sign obtained this footage band. I mean that then
35:14
Speaker 2: brings into questions about, you know, whether he should also
35:17
Speaker 2: the coach stood down because he was also out in
35:19
Speaker 2: the early hours of the morning.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, and I think that sort of puts some context
35:23
Speaker 13: around Dean Cox's the way that he was very hesitant
35:27
Speaker 13: and quite awkward, and his response that in the day afterwards.
35:32
Speaker 13: This puts some very telling context around that. You're right,
35:35
Speaker 13: this has to he has to be accountable for those
35:37
Speaker 13: actions too. I mean, he has to set the example.
35:40
Speaker 13: This would certainly not have happened under the previous coach John.
35:43
Speaker 2: Longmy So when I spoke to today said they all
35:45
Speaker 2: should have been put on a bus after the game
35:48
Speaker 2: and you know, send back to Sydney. Basically or back
35:52
Speaker 2: to the airport and just kept in lockdown, not allowed
35:56
Speaker 2: to go out partying. But you know, these are adults.
35:58
Speaker 2: They should be doing the right thing this and the
36:01
Speaker 2: Swans usually do. They've got a good reputation.
36:03
Speaker 13: They have a great reputation and it's probably why they've
36:05
Speaker 13: been affordable latitude and there was because there was a
36:07
Speaker 13: be an element of trust. But this is at the
36:10
Speaker 13: pointy end of the season, the coming second. At the moment,
36:14
Speaker 13: they're guaranteed two finals matches, so you'd expect that they
36:17
Speaker 13: would be leaning into that and not be focusing on partying.
36:22
Speaker 13: They'd be focusing on actually winning the flag.
36:24
Speaker 2: And apparently they didn't. I mean, I don't watch Spot,
36:26
Speaker 2: but apparently they didn't play so well. Even though they
36:28
Speaker 2: did win the game against Essendon. I'm told it wasn't
36:30
Speaker 2: such a great No, it's.
36:31
Speaker 6: A great game.
36:32
Speaker 13: I'm not an AFIL special as either, but I was
36:34
Speaker 13: told the same thing.
36:35
Speaker 2: Okay, there you go. We know how to get information
36:38
Speaker 2: there if we don't watch the games ourselves. All right,
36:41
Speaker 2: I want to turn to this amazing story now. Pauline
36:44
Speaker 2: Hanson put out this text message that is apparently from
36:49
Speaker 2: the treasurer Jim charmits, maybe we can bring it up
36:52
Speaker 2: on the screen. The text message basically says that there's
36:56
Speaker 2: this scare campaign. You know it's going to be a
36:57
Speaker 2: scare campaign from Labor. It's saying that both the Liberals
37:01
Speaker 2: and One Nation are planning to scrap Super.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, it's a ludicrous claim and it's got Jim Chalmer's
37:08
Speaker 13: name to it. Now, this is this we remember Medi Scare.
37:11
Speaker 13: It's another episode of that. There's no plan by either
37:14
Speaker 13: party to get rid of Super. But Pauline Hanson's turned
37:18
Speaker 13: it back into our own favor and this is sort of
37:20
Speaker 13: her trademark at the moment. Has been very agile and
37:22
Speaker 13: so she's come straight back and said, it's Pauline Hanson here.
37:25
Speaker 13: This is on X tonight. It's Pauline Hanson here. Jim
37:29
Speaker 13: Chalmers is full of shit. That's what she said. I
37:33
Speaker 13: was told I could say it on air, So go ahead,
37:35
Speaker 13: glad you checked. One Nation doesn't support scrapping Super. We
37:39
Speaker 13: just think people should be able to use their Super
37:42
Speaker 13: when in financial distress instead of losing their home label
37:46
Speaker 13: rather you end up homeless.
37:49
Speaker 2: But look, I mean you said it was like Medi Scare.
37:52
Speaker 2: This is Super Scare. It's a new scare campaign. We
37:54
Speaker 2: know they work well. Medi Scare worked well back against
37:57
Speaker 2: Malcolm Turnberlin. I think it was twenty sixteen. It worked
37:59
Speaker 2: against you know, Peter Dutton, worked agains Scott Morrison, and
38:03
Speaker 2: they roll it out every election campaign. Now they're going
38:06
Speaker 2: to have super Scare as well.
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Speaker 5: They are.
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Speaker 13: It's interesting because I think the Libs have been sort
38:10
Speaker 13: of caught napping in the social media warfare, but I
38:15
Speaker 13: think pauland Hanson's team has shown themselves to be more agile.
38:20
Speaker 13: The Libs, if they're going to be competitive, need to
38:23
Speaker 13: get up to speed with this because they're just at
38:25
Speaker 13: the moment too paralyzed.
38:26
Speaker 6: Yeah.
38:27
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean they've been quite napping in messaging
38:31
Speaker 2: and everything when it comes to policies even I mean
38:34
Speaker 2: one nation's kind of releasing more policies and the.
38:37
Speaker 13: Coalition feels like Paul and Hanson is the opposition at
38:40
Speaker 13: the moment, is the opposition leader.
38:43
Speaker 2: She's got the momentum, and once you've got the momentum,
38:45
Speaker 2: it's very difficult to it's very difficult for the Coalition
38:49
Speaker 2: to get that absolutely. But she's also working. She's doing
38:51
Speaker 2: a lot of media Pauline. Every day she's doing another interview,
38:55
Speaker 2: and I think Angus Taylor could probably be doing a
38:57
Speaker 2: bit more. What do you think.
38:58
Speaker 13: I definitely need to pick up his velocity. He needs
39:01
Speaker 13: to get up, be up and about and be seen.
39:04
Speaker 13: And it's hard. It is really hard because, as you say,
39:07
Speaker 13: Pauline Hansen has the momentum, and so the default for
39:12
Speaker 13: the media at the moment is to turn to her.
39:13
Speaker 13: In fact, often she's in front of the media and.
39:16
Speaker 2: Kind of like Trump, people want to read what she says,
39:19
Speaker 2: they want to watch her, you know, they're fascinated by her.
39:22
Speaker 2: So even when she makes a mistake, can't name the
39:25
Speaker 2: Indonesian president, people don't care.
39:28
Speaker 13: They don't care. And she's she's developed this stick over
39:31
Speaker 13: thirty years, so she's match fit. I think Angers is
39:34
Speaker 13: still finding his way in terms of what's my style
39:37
Speaker 13: and how aggressive should I be? She just basically swings
39:40
Speaker 13: from the fences.
39:41
Speaker 2: She's got cut through. All right, Ben, great to see you.
39:44
Speaker 2: We look forward to you. So the front page headline
39:46
Speaker 2: tomorrow's black Swans is that.
39:47
Speaker 11: Right, blacks one. We'll read it.
39:49
Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks well, still to come, Julian Lisa Jones Us
39:53
Speaker 2: after he's headline grabbing speech excoriating the Royal Commission, plus
39:59
Speaker 2: He's right here after we also get to the Around
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Speaker 2: World with Peter Jennings a bit later Welcome Back. Well,
40:07
Speaker 2: As the final weeks of hearings for the Royal Commission looms,
40:11
Speaker 2: the Coalition is now urging Labor to extend its time
40:14
Speaker 2: frame and it's remit to ensure that key voices are heard,
40:18
Speaker 2: leading the charges Shadow Education Minister Julian Lisa, who joins
40:22
Speaker 2: me live from Canbra. Julian, thanks for your time. Look,
40:25
Speaker 2: you gave a brilliant speech in Parliament today. I played
40:29
Speaker 2: a lot of it at the start of the show.
40:32
Speaker 2: What are your key concerns about this Royal Commission?
40:37
Speaker 3: Well, Shari, This Royal Commission had three tasks. Number one,
40:41
Speaker 3: to hear the stories of Jewish Australians, which it's done
40:43
Speaker 3: reasonably well. Number two to provide recommendations, which we'll see
40:47
Speaker 3: later in the piece. But number three and most importantly,
40:50
Speaker 3: its job is to hold people to account who are
40:52
Speaker 3: in positions of leadership and whose leadership has failed. And
40:56
Speaker 3: it's in that area that I don't think that the
40:57
Speaker 3: Commission has done enough, and that's because it hasn't the
41:00
Speaker 3: time to do it, and I want to see the
41:02
Speaker 3: Commission given an extension of time in order that it
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Speaker 3: can get people from the arts community, from universities, the
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Speaker 3: Human Rights Commission, government ministers and put them on the
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Speaker 3: stand and held them to account. I think that's so important.
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Speaker 3: We're never going to get this opportunity again. Fifteen people
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Speaker 3: were murdered in cold blunder at Bondai Beach. We owe
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Speaker 3: it to them to make sure that this Commission does
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Speaker 3: its job properly.
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Speaker 2: I had the former Disability Royal Commissioner and former Federal
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Speaker 2: Court judge Ronald Sackville in the program last night, and
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Speaker 2: he also said that he felt the Commission hadn't used
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Speaker 2: either enough or effectively its coercive powers, you know, forcing
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Speaker 2: people of issuing subpoenas for people to give evidence and
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Speaker 2: obtaining documents. I mean, we've barely seen that at all.
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Speaker 3: I gave the example in my speech today of the
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Speaker 3: Child Sexual Abuse Royal Commission where bishops and religious leaders
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Speaker 3: were taken out of nursing homes and put on the
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Speaker 3: stand to give evidence and held to account for their decisions.
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Speaker 3: In this Royal Commission, we've seen recently retired Vice chancellors
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Speaker 3: not called to talk about the failures at their universities.
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Speaker 3: We need to see so many more people held to account,
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Speaker 3: and that's why the Commission needs more time. And ultimately,
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Speaker 3: the Albanesi government never wanted to have this Royal Commission.
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Speaker 3: It gave it an unfair amount of time in terms
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Speaker 3: of eleven months.
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Speaker 6: It's set the terms of reference.
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Speaker 3: Now I'm calling on the Albanzi government and the Prime
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Speaker 3: Minister to do the right thing and extend the time
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Speaker 3: so that the Commission could do the job it needs
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Speaker 3: to do.
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Speaker 2: Look, I agree with you that the time is too shot.
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Speaker 2: We said that from the start. It's on by far
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Speaker 2: the short side of royal commissions, just eleven months, the
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Speaker 2: hearings only beginning in May this year. However, I don't
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Speaker 2: only think the issue is the timing. I think that
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Speaker 2: what we've seen in tone from this commission is that
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Speaker 2: it's trading very softly, treading very lightly, doesn't seem to
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Speaker 2: want to upset anyone. And I think even if it
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Speaker 2: had another two years, you still wouldn't kind of get
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Speaker 2: the sort of teeth that you're talking about that you've
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Speaker 2: seen in other royal commissions.
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Speaker 3: Well, Shari, I've been consistent on saying this about the
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Speaker 3: timing of the Commission and its three roles. Since the
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Speaker 3: Commission was established. I've made several speeches about this, but
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Speaker 3: with the final hearings to be wrapped up next week,
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Speaker 3: I think it's very important that we put the ball
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Speaker 3: in the government's court here to ensure that the Commission
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Speaker 3: can do the things that it needs to do, and
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Speaker 3: to ensure that it does do the things that it
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Speaker 3: needs to do, and that's to amend its terms of
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Speaker 3: reference to ensure it's got the time and it's got
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Speaker 3: the direction to hold people to account.
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Speaker 2: But what do you think about my point that it
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Speaker 2: does seem reluctant to put some of the alleged perpetrators
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Speaker 2: of offensive behavior on the stand.
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Speaker 3: Well, look, I think it's very clear from my speech
43:59
Speaker 3: that it just hasn't put those people on the stand,
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Speaker 3: and that it needs to put those people on the stand.
44:05
Speaker 3: Otherwise we desecrate the memory of the people who died
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Speaker 3: at Bondai Beach and we send even worse shari a
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Speaker 3: message to people that when leaders failed to take responsibility
44:16
Speaker 3: for their actions, that effectively there is no consequence for that,
44:22
Speaker 3: and so that sends a terrible message to Australians about
44:25
Speaker 3: the way in which you can ignore anti Semitism, You
44:28
Speaker 3: can downplay it and nothing will happen to you.
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Speaker 2: Look, as I said, you did call for the Prime Minister,
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Speaker 2: the Education Minister, Home Affairs Minister, Foreign Affairs Minister, the
44:37
Speaker 2: Attorney General to all be called to respond to questions
44:40
Speaker 2: about their handling of this crisis.
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Speaker 10: What are the key.
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Speaker 2: Issues that you would put to them?
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Speaker 3: Well, I'd put to them, you know, what were the
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Speaker 3: resources and powers that they gave their agencies? What advice
44:54
Speaker 3: did they receive as the anti Semitism grew from October
44:57
Speaker 3: seven as to what they should do? Asked the Foreign
45:00
Speaker 3: Minister why when she visited Israel she decided not to
45:03
Speaker 3: go south to visit the kidwould sim and why the
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Speaker 3: government continued to pursue its policy of delegitimizing the Jewish
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Speaker 3: state and the effect that that had on Jewish people.
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Speaker 3: I'd ask the Education Minister why he repeatedly failed to
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Speaker 3: support a judicial inquiry into antisemitism on campus and failed
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Speaker 3: to call the universities, the NTU, the student leaders, the
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Speaker 3: university regulators to heal to deal with these issues. I'd
45:30
Speaker 3: ask the Attorney General why she and her predecessor failed
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Speaker 3: to deal with the anti semitism at the Human Rights Commission.
45:37
Speaker 3: I'd ask the Prime Minister why he always had to
45:39
Speaker 3: be dragged, kicking and screaming to do anything in relation
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Speaker 3: to protecting the Jewish community from antisemitism and ensuring the
45:47
Speaker 3: safety of all Australians.
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Speaker 2: That was a question without notice. And you can tell
45:52
Speaker 2: you're a lawyer because you had all the answers ready
45:54
Speaker 2: to go. Julian Lisa, thank you very much for your
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Speaker 2: time and again exceptional speech today. I'm so glad you
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Speaker 2: put that on the record in Parliament because you know
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Speaker 2: we've been talking about, including you and I those exact
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Speaker 2: concerns off air, but now it's on the record in
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Speaker 2: the Parliament in handside.
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Speaker 3: Thank you, Charrion, thanks for your leadership on these issues too, Thank.
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Speaker 14: You, thank you.
46:16
Speaker 2: Right after the break, Donald Trump's fiery threat to bomb
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Speaker 2: a strategic ally and why are key player is concerned
46:22
Speaker 2: over the progress of orchis Peter Jennings next well, President
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Speaker 2: Donald Trump has threatened to bomb Amman if the country
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Speaker 2: gets in the way of negotiations to open the Straight
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Speaker 2: of hor moves when asked how the deal was going,
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Speaker 2: here's what he had to say.
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Speaker 14: They're not going to make the kind of a deal
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Speaker 14: that I feel as necessary. Look, we're in there for
46:45
Speaker 14: one reason. Ran cannot have a nuclear weapon. You understand
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Speaker 14: that Ran cannot have a nuclear weapon, and they won't
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Speaker 14: have a nuclear weapon, and right now them building one
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Speaker 14: after what we did previously with the beat two bombers
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Speaker 14: going to be a long time behalf. But a Ran
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Speaker 14: cannot have It is very simple.
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Speaker 7: They can't have a nuclear what.
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Speaker 2: A News twenty four Defense analyst Peter Jennings joines me
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Speaker 2: now live in camera, Peter, is this another empty threaten?
47:14
Speaker 2: And do you think Trump was right to threaten an ally?
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Speaker 11: It's another empty threat and he wasn't right to threaten
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Speaker 11: an ally. This is bad long term or short term
47:26
Speaker 11: strategy from an America which now needs its allies more
47:30
Speaker 11: than ever. Amman has been a pretty low key but
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Speaker 11: effective supporter of American interests in the Middle East for
47:37
Speaker 11: many years. It was a throwaway comments, so probably one
47:41
Speaker 11: shouldn't invest too much in a charry. But the President
47:44
Speaker 11: has just had a pretty awful week where he seems
47:46
Speaker 11: to be supporting the authoritarians, being nice to Kim Jong
47:50
Speaker 11: un of North Korea. That's never a smart move, and
47:54
Speaker 11: being nicety to the allies, the South Koreans, the amanis.
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Speaker 11: This has not been a good week for American foreign
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Speaker 11: policy consistency.
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Speaker 2: I spoke to Scott Morrison earlier this week and he
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Speaker 2: indicated that we could it might have been actually late
48:11
Speaker 2: last week he indicated that we could get to a
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Speaker 2: situation where this conflict actually isn't resolved, the Iran war
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Speaker 2: doesn't get a deal.
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Speaker 11: Do you think that's likely, Well, it's certainly not resolved now,
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Speaker 11: And in fact, I think as oil continues not to
48:28
Speaker 11: flow through the Straits of WM as the downstream economic
48:31
Speaker 11: consequences of this sharia still to be felt. We've been
48:36
Speaker 11: cushioned in the first phase of the war by the
48:40
Speaker 11: Japanese and the Chinese drawing down their existing oil reserves.
48:44
Speaker 11: So there is a bite which is still to be felt.
48:47
Speaker 11: I think at the petrol station and at the farm gate,
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Speaker 11: through fertilizer and other things that come through the straits.
48:53
Speaker 11: I think the Iranians are now out to make absolutely
48:56
Speaker 11: certain that there will not be a resolution this side
48:59
Speaker 11: of the midterm elections in the United States, and so
49:03
Speaker 11: as we move into twenty twenty seven. This is going
49:05
Speaker 11: to continue when it's very clear that we will have
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Speaker 11: a lamb d up president and also one that is
49:11
Speaker 11: remarkably uninterested in using military power.
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Speaker 2: I mean, do you think that this is Trump mishandling
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Speaker 2: this by making it known publicly pretty early on that
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Speaker 2: he did want the war to come to an end.
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Speaker 11: Yes, I'm afraid so. And we've reached the end of
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Speaker 11: sixty days where negotiations were supposed to happen, which was
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Speaker 11: going to create a peacetime dispensation. The Iranians couldn't be
49:40
Speaker 11: clearer in saying to the world, we are simply not
49:43
Speaker 11: interested in cutting a deal with the president. The clip
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Speaker 11: that Jujus shrowed, you know, Trump is talking about no
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Speaker 11: nuclear weapons, but he doesn't address the straight offul moves,
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Speaker 11: which is the bigger economic issue in the short term
49:55
Speaker 11: at least. So the President has failed this one. I
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Speaker 11: think he suffered from an absence of calm, consistent strategic
50:04
Speaker 11: and military advice in the Oval office. He's kind of
50:07
Speaker 11: made too much of it up by himself. It's diminished
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Speaker 11: him as a result of that, and I think it's
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Speaker 11: going to now dog his presidency for the remainder of
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Speaker 11: his time.
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Speaker 2: I think he got spooked by the domestic reaction early
50:21
Speaker 2: on the fact that everyone hated the war. But then
50:23
Speaker 2: what's that? I mean, ironically, that's just meant that it's
50:25
Speaker 2: lasted longer and the poles sunk further very quickly. You know,
50:30
Speaker 2: the frustrations building between ORCUS partners. Once again, how do
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Speaker 2: you see this playing out?
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Speaker 11: Look, I think there are some concerns that the Americans
50:40
Speaker 11: are still holding the ace card in terms of will
50:42
Speaker 11: they let us have those Virginia class submarines. They're not
50:45
Speaker 11: lifting their industrial ability to produce them any faster. We
50:49
Speaker 11: don't appear to have the capacity to sell orcast to
50:51
Speaker 11: our own people, let alone to the United States. It's
50:55
Speaker 11: great those American subs are going to be here from
50:57
Speaker 11: next year, but as to whether Australia se nuclear submarines
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Speaker 11: for our navy, that's still an open question, and the
51:03
Speaker 11: government is not really making the case as to why
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Speaker 11: the Americans should hand such a vital capability over.
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Speaker 2: I'm surprised you say we can't sell it to our
51:12
Speaker 2: own people. I thought there was broad public support for it,
51:14
Speaker 2: but Peter were out of time. Always a pleasure and
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Speaker 2: thank you for your company tonight, I'll see you tomorrow
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Speaker 2: at eight. And right now, here's Paul Murray.