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Wired To Hunt Podcast #136: An Inside Look at the 2017 ATA Show & the Latest and Greatest Bowhunting Gear · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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  Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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  Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host Mark Kenyan. In this episode number one thirty
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  Speaker 1: six tan the show, Dan and I are joined by
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  Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt contributor Josh Hilliard, and we're discussing the
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  Speaker 1: latest and greatest new bow hunting gear and our experiences
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  Speaker 1: at the two thousand seventeen Archery Trade Association Show. Hello
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  Speaker 1: and welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to
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  Speaker 1: you by Sitka Gear. And today it is January seventeenth,
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  Speaker 1: I think is a recording this and man in or
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  Speaker 1: finally back to the real world after the cast last
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  Speaker 1: week at the Archery Trade Association Show, and that's what
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna be primarily talking about today. That's the you know,
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  Speaker 1: if you're not familiar, if you didn't hear our past
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  Speaker 1: episodes about this. Every year there's this a t a
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  Speaker 1: show and it's the biggest bow hunting and hunting industry
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  Speaker 1: show of the year, um other than Shot, which is
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  Speaker 1: a little more shooting focused. So big show where all
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  Speaker 1: the big retailers and manufacturers come together and show up
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  Speaker 1: all the newest products, what's new, what's the latest and greatest, etcetera, etcetera.
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  Speaker 1: So today Dan and I are gonna be talking about that,
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  Speaker 1: and we're gonna be joined by my good friend and
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  Speaker 1: hunting buddy, Josh Hilliard, who came along with me last
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  Speaker 1: week for his very first time to a t A.
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  Speaker 1: So we're gonna get a an a t A virgin's
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  Speaker 1: perspective two and we'll talk about all of our favorite products.
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  Speaker 1: Are thoughts on the show, our thoughts maybe on the
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  Speaker 1: hunting industry, uh, and a whole bunch of stuff like that. Dan,
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  Speaker 1: So what do you think is that? Is that a
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  Speaker 1: good idea? Let's talk about it. You have some thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on the hunting industry, right, but we don't need to
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  Speaker 1: get into it right now, but you do, right, we'll
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  Speaker 1: cover it when we get Josh on the phone. And
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure there's gonna be some questions. It's not necessarily
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  Speaker 1: about the industry, it's just lack of focus on certain things. Yeah. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: we had some some good chats about that last week.
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  Speaker 1: So so yeah, we'll get to all that stuff once
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  Speaker 1: Josh joins us here in a few minutes. Um, But
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  Speaker 1: I do want to make a point of mentioning one
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  Speaker 1: thing here, Dan before we get to that. Okay, what
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  Speaker 1: is it? Last time we talked, I gave you a
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  Speaker 1: hard time about not hunting in the late season. I
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  Speaker 1: really gave it to you, and and since then you've
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  Speaker 1: made up for us. So I want to give you
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  Speaker 1: credit for that. Dan, you did go out and hunt. Congrats.
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  Speaker 1: I'm happy for you. You know, I think I just
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  Speaker 1: went out to my backyard and put a tree stand up.
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  Speaker 1: I faked to hunt just so you get off my back. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: well that was effective. Yeah. I turned the I turned
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  Speaker 1: my flat screen television towards the window, and I was
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  Speaker 1: close enough to the house to actually just flip through
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  Speaker 1: the channels and watch TV while uh, while I was
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  Speaker 1: in a tree stand. That's a pretty fun hunt. No, seriously,
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  Speaker 1: how did your hunk go? I'll tell you what I think.
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  Speaker 1: I talked a little bit about my my buddies property, uh,
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  Speaker 1: and that it lays next to a property that has
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  Speaker 1: a lot has some food plots on it, um, but
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  Speaker 1: not close enough like their field edge does not is
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  Speaker 1: not the borderline. So there's like i'd say, about twenty
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  Speaker 1: yards a timber between my buddies property and this food
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  Speaker 1: plot on this one guy. So I was thinking I'd
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  Speaker 1: get as close as ethically possible um to this back
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  Speaker 1: corner and uh hang a tree stand in this creek
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  Speaker 1: and hopefully something would come off my buddy's property or
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  Speaker 1: UM cut a corner of my buddy's property to get
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  Speaker 1: to this standing cornfield. And a lot of deer came
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  Speaker 1: out that night, but nothing came from my buddy's property.
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  Speaker 1: It was all from an adjacent property. So I basically
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  Speaker 1: just sat there and watched a parade. Was fun at least,
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  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, it was one of the cooldest hunts
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  Speaker 1: of the entire year. So I mean I had I
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  Speaker 1: don't know about you, but there's certain light season hunts
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  Speaker 1: where I went to Gainer Mountain and I bought like
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  Speaker 1: fifteen body warmers and just kind of I put them
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  Speaker 1: all over my body and everything was good except the
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  Speaker 1: warmers I put on my feet just couldn't keep up
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  Speaker 1: with I couldn't keep up with the cold. And by
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  Speaker 1: the end of the night, you know, you're kind of
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  Speaker 1: doing exercises to try to get some blood circulating to
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  Speaker 1: your feet. Mm hmm. I've been there. Yeah, so no, uh,
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  Speaker 1: no bucks showed up. It was probably about thirteen does
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  Speaker 1: from what I could tell, and that was it. Man,
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  Speaker 1: Well you got out there and at least give it
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  Speaker 1: a good shot. How are I don't know. For me,
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  Speaker 1: on my last hunt of the year, it's always like
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  Speaker 1: a really reflective hunt, you know, kind of sad, kind
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  Speaker 1: of it's nice that you know, it's cool to be
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  Speaker 1: moving on to this new season, but at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: you kind of look back on everything that happened, and
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  Speaker 1: it's always like for me, it's it's like, Wow, I
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  Speaker 1: can't believe it's already done. Like, you know, there's so
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  Speaker 1: much hype leading into it, and we're so excited and
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  Speaker 1: then all of a sudden it's here and we're you know,
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  Speaker 1: it's just all this stuff going into all these hunts
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  Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, bam, it's gone. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't did you have any of those types of feelings? Well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's kind of cool that you say that,
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  Speaker 1: because I did reduce from reflecting on the buck that
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  Speaker 1: I shot this year and the kind of the area
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  Speaker 1: where he was at, and I think that I I
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  Speaker 1: think I don't pay enough attention to this little small
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  Speaker 1: section of the far then, I you know, I should,
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  Speaker 1: I should be paying more attention to it early season
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  Speaker 1: while the crops are still in, And I feel that's
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  Speaker 1: kind of what I was reflecting on at the same time,
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  Speaker 1: kind of looking forward to next season and how I'm
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  Speaker 1: going to approach it with the specific crop rotation that's
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  Speaker 1: in place. Yeah, yeah, thinking already about the tactics. I
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  Speaker 1: like it the XS and ose all day every day.
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  Speaker 1: Don't tell my wife I won't. That's good though, man,
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm excited to hear probably pretty soon in
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  Speaker 1: these coming weeks, we'll start talking about our new plans
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  Speaker 1: and work being done. I'm I'm already actually gonna be
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  Speaker 1: getting out there not too long from now to start
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  Speaker 1: moving some things around. So I gotta you've got any
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  Speaker 1: property improvements that you're gonna be doing, like hinge cutting
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  Speaker 1: or anything like that. I am. I'm definitely gonna do that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because we talked a little bit about how
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  Speaker 1: I want to make some specific adjustments to try to
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  Speaker 1: increase my chances to get a shot at Holy Field. Um,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm already thinking about trying to improve some betting
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  Speaker 1: because he wasn't betting on my property a lot so
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  Speaker 1: hinge cutting for sure. I'm already thinking about trying to
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  Speaker 1: tweak my food plot placement a little bit, UM, because
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  Speaker 1: right now my food plot kind of ends right at
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  Speaker 1: a property line. And because of that, him and other bucks.
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  Speaker 1: You know, if you know they're they're able if they
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  Speaker 1: want to stay in the cover, they're gonna be staying
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  Speaker 1: on a neighbor's property versus crossing it into the open field,
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  Speaker 1: which is my food plot. So I'm thinking about trying
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  Speaker 1: to move that farther into the interior. I can't move
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  Speaker 1: it a lot, but you know, move it like forty
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  Speaker 1: yards in or fifty yards in or something, and then
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  Speaker 1: plant like native grasses or just try to get the
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  Speaker 1: current grasses to grow up thick there so that you
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  Speaker 1: know that cover that's traditionally on the neighbors will continue
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  Speaker 1: on to mind a little bit. So maybe you know
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  Speaker 1: he'll step over the line five ten minutes earlier. UM,
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  Speaker 1: that kind of thing. So I know that UM. One
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  Speaker 1: of our one of the guests on the show, Dreary,
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  Speaker 1: I believe it was talked a little bit about. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, maybe it wasn't Dreary, maybe it was another
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  Speaker 1: guy that we had on this on the podcast who
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  Speaker 1: talked about um food plot shape manipulation and how it
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  Speaker 1: affected deer movement. So is that so you're gonna try
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  Speaker 1: something like that, something like that, Yeah, adjusting the shape,
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  Speaker 1: adjusting the surrounding, kind of feathering the edge a little
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  Speaker 1: bit so that it's not straight from cover the field
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  Speaker 1: more so, let's cover two grasses to food plot. Just
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  Speaker 1: just little tweaks that can make UM. That's That's really
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  Speaker 1: where I'm I'm putting kind of my my focus on
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  Speaker 1: these next few weeks is thinking through all the little
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  Speaker 1: things that might be able to do. And I'm gonna start,
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  Speaker 1: like I got, you know, full two seasons worth of
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  Speaker 1: pictures of him now, so I'm going to be studying
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  Speaker 1: those pictures and looking for more annual patterns and see
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  Speaker 1: if there's anything I can you know, unearthed that I
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  Speaker 1: still haven't wrapped my head around yet. So so all
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  Speaker 1: that kind of good stuff I'm excited about. I also
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  Speaker 1: got a new buck on trail camera in Michigan that
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  Speaker 1: I'm excited about. Really nice looking, without a doubt, at
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  Speaker 1: least a four year old this year, So next year,
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  Speaker 1: I think you could be a five year old or
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  Speaker 1: older he looks like an old, big deer, five year
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  Speaker 1: old deer in Michigan? Is that even like? Is that
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  Speaker 1: even impossible? It doesn't happen often, but you guys like
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  Speaker 1: hire sharpshooters shoot on this thing. They get too too old.
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  Speaker 1: It's sad to say that that actually sort of happens
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  Speaker 1: in some of the cities around here. But I didn't
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  Speaker 1: love it. Was it an arbor? Uh? It's like, hey,
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  Speaker 1: let's go, let's go, uh castrate some of these bucks,
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  Speaker 1: and that way they won't breed anymore, and that way
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  Speaker 1: that will control the deer population. Oh my god, it's
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  Speaker 1: a debacle. They're they're sterilizing deer all over some of
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  Speaker 1: these towns. And that's a whole another podcast. Probably. I
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  Speaker 1: would love I would love to be in one of
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  Speaker 1: those meetings where these guys are just like, all right,
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  Speaker 1: come on, everybody, we gotta come up with some great
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: ideas here. Oh I got one, I got one? All right?
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  Speaker 1: What what is it? All right? Uh? How about we
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  Speaker 1: cut their nuts off so they can't make any more babies?
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  Speaker 1: I like it. I like it. Anybody else? Going once?
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  Speaker 1: Going twice? No? Alright, cut their balls off? Like, how
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  Speaker 1: does I mean how does that happen? Dude? It's crazy,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's it's actually scary in a in a way too,
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  Speaker 1: you know, because if more and more towns start trying
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  Speaker 1: to do this and start saying that you don't need
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  Speaker 1: hunters anymore to manage dear populations, well, then there's this
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  Speaker 1: precedent um that you know, could continue to spread and
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  Speaker 1: we don't need any more of a reason for people
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  Speaker 1: to try to say that what we're doing is irrelevant. Um.
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  Speaker 1: So it's something I think that without getting too serious,
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  Speaker 1: here's something I think we as Hunters starts need to
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  Speaker 1: start paying attention to and and speaking out against, because
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: that like, it's a slippery slope, I think, right. And
• 10:37
  Speaker 1: you know what really sucks is that when you say
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  Speaker 1: we have to speak out about it, it's like we
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  Speaker 1: have to be professional about it too. I can't go
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  Speaker 1: up to some of these people who have that's their
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  Speaker 1: idea of how to handle a situation. I can't just
• 10:50
  Speaker 1: go that idea is dumb and you're an idiot. That
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  Speaker 1: just that doesn't work as much as I feel it should,
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  Speaker 1: no very true. That's uh. We We've talked about this
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  Speaker 1: a lot on the on the show and it's we
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  Speaker 1: have to we as a community have to continue to
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  Speaker 1: to focus on the fact that we need to have
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  Speaker 1: rational conversations with people and hopefully help some people better
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  Speaker 1: understand things from our perspective, because if we don't do that,
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  Speaker 1: the you know, the national media story and a lot
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  Speaker 1: of these things tends to air in a direction that
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  Speaker 1: isn't really in line with what we believe and would
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  Speaker 1: hope people would would see. So we've got to be
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  Speaker 1: those ambassadors. That's a fact, man. So yeah, that was
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  Speaker 1: a downer. Though we're talking about deer and the exciting
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  Speaker 1: Tisan seventeen season, then you had to start talking about
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  Speaker 1: deer sterilization. Well it would it wouldn't be an intro
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  Speaker 1: if we didn't take a hard right turn somewhere like
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  Speaker 1: into a ditch. Right. So now, let's let's put her
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  Speaker 1: in four wheel drive, let's get back on the road,
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  Speaker 1: and let's start talking about something happy like So, holy Field,
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  Speaker 1: here's my question to you, holy Field this year, this
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  Speaker 1: upcoming year, is he gonna be a five year old?
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  Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, I think he's gonna be five
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  Speaker 1: at times, you know, I think I mentioned this earlier,
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  Speaker 1: at times like during the season I'd see him and
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  Speaker 1: I'm like, man, he doesn't look four um like he
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  Speaker 1: looks he looked really long legged in some pictures or
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  Speaker 1: in some of the times I watched him, I'm like, man,
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  Speaker 1: maybe he's three. Um. But then I look at other
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  Speaker 1: pictures of me. Looks all chunky and blocky, like a
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  Speaker 1: definite four year old. So I don't know for sure,
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  Speaker 1: but I think I still think when I look back
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  Speaker 1: at him last year, I still think he was probably
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  Speaker 1: a three year old the first dary I saw him,
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  Speaker 1: So he's probably he was probably four and sixteen, So
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  Speaker 1: he's probably gonna be five this coming year. But I
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't know one right right either way,
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  Speaker 1: either way, he's gonna be mature and in awesome. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: And that's I mean, that's just it's like we mentioned
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  Speaker 1: one of the last podcast, man, it's it is a
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  Speaker 1: direct result of you deciding to I guess you know,
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  Speaker 1: maybe if you he did get in close and you
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  Speaker 1: did actively hunt him late season, you would have had
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  Speaker 1: a show out at him. But you decided, hey, I
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  Speaker 1: want I want this gear to grow another year older.
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  Speaker 1: And uh, I hope he blows up like like you know,
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  Speaker 1: booner status I'd be crazy that. Uh yeah, No matter
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  Speaker 1: what he turns into, I'm just I'm excited. I am
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  Speaker 1: excited to see what he turns into. Even if he
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  Speaker 1: stays an eight pointer, I bet you he's just gonna
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  Speaker 1: be heavy, you know, lots of mass, and uh, he'll
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  Speaker 1: be cool buck. So I just need to I know,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta find those sheds and if i'm if I'm
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  Speaker 1: lucky enough to get a shot at him, i'd like
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  Speaker 1: to do it before he busts off his antler again
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  Speaker 1: like he did this year. So that'll be that'll be cool.
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  Speaker 1: But we gotta talk about products and gear and all
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: that stuff, because that's what we've been doing this past week,
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: talking about gear, looking at gear, seeing new gear, seeing
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people talking about gear. Um, and you
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  Speaker 1: talk about gear a lot in your podcast, so this
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  Speaker 1: should be right, Ger really? Oh yeah, I mean it's
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  Speaker 1: one of those things at as Hunters, we you know,
• 14:04
  Speaker 1: we talked about hunting all the time, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: strategy and the deer and stuff like that, but we
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  Speaker 1: also subcos, you know, subconsciously, we're all thinking about gear. Right.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know about you, but I'm always flipping through
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  Speaker 1: um you know, Broadhead sites or Bow sites and just
• 14:24
  Speaker 1: you know, looking at their products and seeing, Okay, should
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  Speaker 1: I give this this a try this year? Or should
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  Speaker 1: I give this a try? Or am I Am I
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  Speaker 1: really happy with what I currently have? I do I
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  Speaker 1: want to change it if it's good, you know, all
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  Speaker 1: the all that internal conversation. Yeah. I don't know about you,
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  Speaker 1: but I like I get some type of enjoyment simply
• 14:43
  Speaker 1: out of like going to a Cabellas or bass Pro
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  Speaker 1: shops or something like that, even if I know I'm
• 14:47
  Speaker 1: not gonna buy anything, Like I don't want to buy anything.
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  Speaker 1: I don't have the money to buy anything. I'd just
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: like to walk around just look at it. Um. I
• 14:54
  Speaker 1: guess I think there's a lot of us like that,
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  Speaker 1: well Mark, They're is no difference between that and what
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  Speaker 1: our wives do sometimes when they walk into a or
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  Speaker 1: I was gonna say me, Norge, that's a lumber store.
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  Speaker 1: But when they walk into like a Dillard's or a J. C.
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  Speaker 1: Penny's or this this a few outfit is so cute.
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  Speaker 1: We just use different terms like, oh, this broadhead would
• 15:20
  Speaker 1: really gash something, you know, you know men verse women. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like we shouldn't try to quit ourselves too
• 15:29
  Speaker 1: much to them though, because we'll get ourselves in trouble.
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  Speaker 1: But but let's let's talk about our our our addiction
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  Speaker 1: to shopping for gear. Um, but let's get Josh on
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  Speaker 1: because he I think I think it'd be interesting to
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  Speaker 1: see what Josh thought about the whole thing. You know,
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  Speaker 1: can you remember back to your first A t Yeah, man,
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  Speaker 1: it was it was one of those things where or something. Yep,
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  Speaker 1: it was Nino and uh I was twelve and uh
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  Speaker 1: I was four. I was yeah, No, I I remember
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  Speaker 1: just kind of going there and being overwhelmed with the
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  Speaker 1: whole Oh my god, that guy's on TV and oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, there is the president of a company. Or
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  Speaker 1: you know, hey, look at look at this, Like you
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: walk into that showroom floor and it's just big. It's
• 16:22
  Speaker 1: just big, and it can be kind of overwhelming. And
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  Speaker 1: we'll talk about that with John. Yeah, yeah, I feel
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  Speaker 1: I felt the same way. So let's pause real quick
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  Speaker 1: here for a word from our sponsors at Sick of Gear,
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  Speaker 1: and then we'll pull Josh and to continue this conversation. So,
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: like I mentioned, we want to thank Sick of Gear
• 16:40
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• 16:43
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  Speaker 1: a female specific line of clothing. Now, for the past
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: few years, sick has been working with female designers, developers,
• 17:03
  Speaker 1: and hunters to put together instead of clothing that's Taylor
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: made to fit the specific needs of serious female hunters.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: And from what I've seen and heard, it certainly seems
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: like they've achieved that. So that said, there's gonna be
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: a lot more coming out about this new line in
• 17:16
  Speaker 1: the coming weeks, but if you're interested in learning more now,
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: you can head over to sit kid gear dot com
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: slash Women's to see a few short videos and to
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: sign up to pre order. Again, that's sick gear dot
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: com slash Women's. And now let's get back to this
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: conversation and get my buddy Josh on the line. All right,
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: we are back and on the line now with us
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: for the first time. Is my good buddy, my least partner,
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Josh Hilliard, Hey buddy, Hey doing dude? Yes? How are
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: you doing good? It's been a while? Nan. Does this
• 17:51
  Speaker 1: guy have a does this guy have a nickname? Um?
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: You know? You know that the only nickname that I
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: can think of at this moment. And this is a
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: funny story is further Further Further, Okay, So I gotta
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: tell this one. I gotta tell us, all right, So
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: why did I agree to come on here? Yeah? I
• 18:19
  Speaker 1: don't know. So we can make fun of you for
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: an hour. You should have seen this coming, man, all right.
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: So I grew up. I grew up with Josh, you know,
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: some second grade with the best buddies, and I knew
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: his family really well, and we're always doing stuff together, etcetera, etcetera.
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: And sometime in high school, maybe it was, we all
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: started calling Josh further fu r t e R further
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: and like me and all my buddies, we all started
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: calling that and he never could understand why. He's like,
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: we're all laughing and whenevery scene, how's going further? And
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: then he get off frustrated, like what the heck does
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: that mean? Why do you guys keep calling me further? Um?
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: And I don't know how long. We continued it for
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: months and months until we finally told him longer than
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: that was it. That was it. Probably in college when
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: you guys, he's probably scarred. Now. That's a lot. It
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: really hurt his self confidence, I think. And it's the
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: stupidest thing. Ever. His dad's name is Frank, and we
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: always like to give his dad a hard time. And
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: somehow we decided that since his dad's name was Frank,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: that his son's name should be further because of Frank further.
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: And so for years or however long as we call
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: him this, and the nickname is not that funny. The
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: only thing was funny was how pissed Josh got about it.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: So further it is and uh and still to this
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: day it's it's a good one, so kind of sad.
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: That's the best nickname I have, well, the only one
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: that's safe for work to talk about here. Well, i'll
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: tell you what now, Now, do you have any secrets
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: about Mark and his youth that are really embarrassing that
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: you'd like to share to all his listeners. I'm sure
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: I could, but I'll keep it. I'll keep it professional here. Yes,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: so you can come on my podcast and slam him.
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: Then Yeah, that's a good idea. So how about this one.
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: This is one of my favorite stories about Josh Um.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: So I for the longest time was trying to get
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: Josh in a hunting because he didn't grow up in
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: a hunting family or anything like that. Um, we went,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: We went out hunting a couple of times in high
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: school and I can't remember if this was in high
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: school or college. Josh, but he got a bow I
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: think was that my dad's old bow. Did you first
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: start shooting? Either his or yours? I'm not sure which
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: one it was. Yeah, maybe is that old psc um
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: either way? So yeah, so we started shooting and I
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: got him into that and I told the story at
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: your on your Wedding night. I was never supposed to
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: tell this story. But we were shooting in front of
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: my parents house and we're shooting from the front porch
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: and I had targets set up in front of the
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: house and there's a hill that comes up in front
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: of house and then the top of the hill is
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: the road and then other houses on the other way.
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: But because of the angle, we could shoot and even
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: if you missed the target, you hit the hill behind you,
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: so you were safe there. Well, Josh had some way
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: of pulling off a shot where he missed the target,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: He missed the hill and instead he hit the driveway
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: like ten yards to the right, hit the driveway, the
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: arrow ricochet up in the air, over the road into
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: the neighbor's car. Oh, yes, yeah, exactly all right? Were done?
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Are we done with this podcast? We just had to
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: initiate you. So that'll be the last embarrassing story. Um man,
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: But you are you are good? Sure, there's plenty more
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: you could tell of me. I tend to have that
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: quality of putting myself in bad situations where it always
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: turns into a good story. It does. We've had some
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: good some good times. I think there's several stories he
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: told previous podcasts. I've been left nameless that about me.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: That's true. I can think of one right now that
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: I won't pin on you. But it's one of my favorites.
• 22:11
  Speaker 1: That's something to do with a bag. I'm just lucky
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: Mark only knows me from a certain period of time
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: in my life. Like if you had Mark had any
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: of my buddies on the UH on the show, probably
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I could have the guts to
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: come back on again. Everything would be exposed. Right, I
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: think this is probably gonna be one and done for
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: me on here. Yeah, maybe maybe we're being too hard
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: on you. Um so all right, so let's let's get
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: back on task here. We're talking a t A Josh. So,
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: me and Dan have gone to it for years, but
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: this is your first one. So first impression when you
• 22:50
  Speaker 1: walked in there the first day, what did you think?
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: It was just huge. It's like overwhelming to walk in there,
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: and I think that I had to try to walk
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: around all these different boosts and exhibits and talk to
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: people and get information on products. Is like, how am
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I ever going to get to any of this? I mean,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: it's take me two days to get through one little
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: section of it. How am I going to get through
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: all of it? So it's pretty overwhelming to first walk
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: in there, and um, you know, we just kind of
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: when it first got in there, we kind of just
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: did a little walk around and it was definitely big.
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: But I don't know, I just figured out I figure
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: out some way to get to it all, and I
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: think I did a decent job of doing that. But
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: it was it was cool it's cool to walk in there,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: and I mean almost immediately start seeing people you recognize
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: from TV or web shows or you know, magazines and
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: stuff like that as cool. Kind of a little bit
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: like starstruck seeing some people. But I tried. I tried
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: to play it cool. But did you did you feel fanboy?
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: Did you feel that way when you met Dan Johnson
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: in person for the first time? I did? I did
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: a holy how this is this is the guy from
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: the nine Figure Chronicles? When when he shook your hand?
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: Did he do that weird nubbing shake that he does? No?
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: I just like second or third time? Okay, who who
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: did you? Is there anyone who you really did like
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you were really excited to see? Like who were you
• 24:22
  Speaker 1: actually start struck to see? Uh? It was cool to
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: see the juries because we like saw them when we
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: first started walking around, and that they've probably been the
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: the guys that I've watched the longest just don't you know,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: DVDs and all that stuff, So it's pretty cool to
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: see them, Like, holy cow, they're they're right there. That's cool. Um,
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: and its cool see Jim Shocky. He said, I've seen
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: a lot of his stuff, So it was I mean,
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: it's cool to see all of them, but probably the
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: juries are probably the guys that I like watching the most,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: so I was just cool to see them. Yeah. I
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: remember feeling the same way you go go on it when
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: I first started going. Um. But then what's what's cool
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: about the show is that you quickly realize that these
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: people are just people. Um, and then you get you
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: get to know some of them, and you know lots
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: of cool people too, so get to know some of
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: these guys and girls, and it is and and Dan,
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you can attest to this. Even though it
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: feels like a big industry from the outside, when you're like,
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: when you're kind of in it in this way, it's
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: like a very it's a very small kind of crowd too.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Like you start to know so many people, don't you think,
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: yeah that and yes, it's a big building and every
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: but everybody in the industry is in there, everybody, So
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: you know, it makes it seem just a little bit
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: smaller if you can think about it that way. And um,
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: and then you know, after that first year or two
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: you go, it's just then you can have these conversations
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: and everybody is almost on a first name basis with everybody.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: So that's kind of a that's kind of a cool
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: thing too. Yeah, okay, so a t is not open
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: to the general public, but I mean if you're associated
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: with a company and manufacturer, retailer or media or something,
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: you know, usually those types of people can get in. UM.
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: So for someone who falls into one of those categories
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: that might be listening, would you recommend someone coming to
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: a T A Is that something you think someone should
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: experience if they have a chance to, or is it
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: like not worth the time? Josh, what do you for sure?
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, for sure, I think it'd be awesome for
• 26:25
  Speaker 1: anybody to experience it. Um, it's probably not for everybody, UM,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: but it's one of those things where I feel like
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: you should go to it once if you have the
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: opportunity to, um, just check it out and you talk
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: to people and if nothing else, it's a great networking
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: event for for people that may be in the industry
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: and get their name out there and beat people that
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: may have not met yet and get to check out
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: some cool products while you're at it. So it I'd
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: for sure recommended to to anybody that would have the
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: opportunity to go. What we're gonna sit. Don No, I
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: was just gonna try it. I was just gonna pass.
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: I was interested to see what Josh had to say.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: Do you still like a T A dan? Like? I
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: feel like when I first started, I was like, oh,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: so super stoked about it, And the way I feel
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: about it has changed a little bit. It's not that
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: I don't like it, but it's just different. Do you
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: what do you feel there? Absolutely? Absolutely? I mean, do
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: you want me to share what I shared with you? Well?
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: I do, but maybe we say that until after maybe
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: well I don't care. What what what do you think
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: about a T? Because let me tell you. Let me
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: just start off by saying this, all right, there are
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: so many cool people in that building, right, I've made
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: a ton of friends, like hardcore friends that I've met
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: at these deer shows. Right. Um, I've not only met
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: great personal friends, but I've met great industry friends as well.
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: And like Josh said, the networking portion of it is awesome,
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: especially when there's a positive message to be spread that
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: networking can snowball um and and you can find people
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: who share you know, that entire room. Not everybody is
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: on the same level of you know, shared passion but
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: there is. It's it's the biggest gathering of what I
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: feel would be bow hunting fanatics. Everybody in there is
• 28:28
  Speaker 1: a bow hunting fiend and and loves to bow hunt
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: and it has some sort of level of passion for
• 28:34
  Speaker 1: it from an industry standpoint. But H well, I guess
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: I'll just get into yeah, go ahead. Just for me,
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: it's like totally different than for you guys, because I'm
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: I'm just there. It was almost like a leisurely trip
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: for me, Like, yeah, I was. I was helping Mark
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: with social media stuff that like, I didn't have any
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: pressure on me or you guys had meetings with people
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: and trying to nail down like like Dan, I know
• 29:07
  Speaker 1: you're trying to get guys in the podcast and recording
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: some stuff for your podcast and Mark you at business meetings.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: So I mean, totally different pressure for you guys, and
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: it was for me. Um, right, So maybe that's why
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: I had a good time. I don't know. Yeah, No,
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: I think I think you're right, Like the experience is
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: different too, um. But I think Dan, what you're alluding
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: to is not only you know, there's a lot of
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: share passionately, there's lots of great stuff there. But I
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: think what you're about to touch on is that sometimes
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: that gets like clouded in some of this other junk
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: right right well, And don't get me wrong, you know,
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: I'll be being blunt along with you, Mark. I'm trying
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: to maybe find a way to transition from uh, you know,
• 29:57
  Speaker 1: a nine to five cubicle styled job into this, you know,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: my podcast full time uh and potentially writing and stuff
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: same as same thing that you've kind of done. And
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: you throw business and you know, you throw money into
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: a passion in it, it clouds the water a little
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: bit and there's you know, there's everybody's trying to um
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: bite off a piece of the these budgets for these
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: these companies, and it can be it can make you
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: feel weird. It's like, man, I'm trying to make money
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: off my passion. And for me, this was the first
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: year that I've actually had these these meetings, not where
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: I would be directly affected by the outcome of it.
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: So from from that standpoint, it was a little a
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: little different. But what really concerned me and after the
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: first day, I'm walking up and down the you know,
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: all these hallways and flowers and looking at all these products,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: and don't get me wrong, it is a product show
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: where people make deals and make sales. But I was
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: turned off because I felt there was no emphasis on
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: the animals that that we hunt, which makes the bow
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: hunting industry go go around. If you don't have animals,
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: if you don't have conversation, er um, if you don't
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: have conservation, you don't have anything in this in this room.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: So I was just a little turned off by how,
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: you know, we're fighting all these battles, but at one
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: of the biggest shows, bow hunting shows in the industry,
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: there was no there was no loud voice saying attention, attention,
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: we have to focus on this. Companies need to be
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: involved with this. If that makes sense, Yeah, yeah, no,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: it definitely does. It's like, right, the business side of
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: all this is like a nest Sarah Evil like, of course,
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: it's part of it, and you know that's it is
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: what it is, and there wouldn't be we wouldn't be
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: able to do all this stuff we do if there
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: weren't companies that make products that we can use and etcetera.
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: We we love hunting gear and products and all that
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: kind of stuff, but with gear with you like sometimes
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: it feels like like when the gear and the money
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: and like the fame of like some of this stuff
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: like overshadows like what we're doing and why we're doing it,
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: then that starts feeling off and wrong. And when you're
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: at a show like that with so much of that,
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: that's it's like, I don't know, I feel like lucky.
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: I'm like there's just like too much of that all
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: in one place. UM. And to your point, like what
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: a great opportunity a show like a t A could
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: be to rally the hunting industry and all people that
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: are part of different different parts of it to come
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: together to you know, work as one group towards some
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: of these bigger picture conservation and you know, hunting issues
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: that impact all of us. UM. I just wasn't, like
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: you said, I wasn't seeing that. I don't know if
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: there was like some kind of little seminars for things
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: where they talked about stuff, but I shouldn't hear about
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: anything like that. UM. Why why weren't we using this
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: event to rally the troops behind some of this public
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: land stuff um or different things along those lines where
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: you know, if we as the hunting industry and other
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: people that recreate in the outdoors. If we don't stand
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: up for this, you know, we're all of a sudden
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: not going to have places to hunt. We may not
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: have you know, sustainable populations of animals to to pursue. Um.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: And if there should be any event where that stuff
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: is important, it should be at this event where the
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: most money is being discussed and where the whole business
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: side of this whole thing is talked about. If you know,
• 33:39
  Speaker 1: those people that care about making a living, these companies
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: that make a living off of hunters, and then you know,
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: by connection to that, these landscapes and these animals. Um.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: If we don't have those things, none of this stuff
• 33:52
  Speaker 1: goes around around. UM. So I would have I would
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: have loved to see a larger focus on some of
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: these things. Uh. Um. And I don't know, maybe that's
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: something we can try to find a way to encourage
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: in the future. UM. I do know the shot Show
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: is going on right now as we speak. UM that's
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: you know, the shooting side of this that's going on
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: in Las Vegas, the Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade Show
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: or something like that. And UM, I know there was
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: like a seminar going on today that someone posted about
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: where they had a panel discussing the importance of how
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: we talk about hunting to the outside world. Um, and
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: that's a that's a good conversation to be having with
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: a bunch of hunting companies. When those people from all
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: these different parts of the industry there together, I think
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: that's a good conversation to have. I think we just
• 34:35
  Speaker 1: need to have more of them. And I'd like I
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: would have liked to see that be like a bigger
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: part of of what was going on at this event.
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: Might because there's an opportunity there. But yeah, and for
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: in order for it to change, we have to we
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: have to get involved. I mean, so, I know, I
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: feel like, for example, the National Deer Alliance, their booth
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: was in the hallway, right, it should have been in
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the center of the building, you know, or some some
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: of the other um conservation efforts should have been in
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: the center of the building. And I feel that, you know,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: it was in a side hallway. There wasn't very so anyway,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: I went over to the Deer the National Deer Alliance booth,
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: and I I voiced my opinion basically to them, saying, man,
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: why aren't you guys out there or you know, I
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: feel that there was there's no focus on the animal
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: or the keep it public movement or you know all
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: that stuff. And UH pretty much volunteered myself to say, hey, um,
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: next year, I'm willing to help anyway I can. Yeah,
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: And I think that's what we gotta do. What we
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: need to do is give a voice to that um
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: because you know, at a show like that, you mean,
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: as we talked about, probably you know where people are
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: places all placed. It's all based on money, you know,
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: and such and such huge company can afford the best
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: placement on the show floor, and so there they are.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: But it would be nice to see the animal and
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: the organizations that are working for the animal in the
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: habitat to to be front and center to So yeah,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I I I agree with your frustrations
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: and another thing, and we can we don't need to
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: be sitting here having this ragfestum. But the other part
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: of a t a that um that always kind of
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: like makes me feel like a little off is just like,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know how to say this
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: about coming off like a jerk or something. But there
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: are a lot of people trying to become celebrities because
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: of a hunting TV show or something, and they're really
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: trying to pump themselves up. There's a lot of this,
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: like pimping yourself out. I feel like, um, and and
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: you could say that you and me are because we
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: make a living off of advertisers everything that. So I'm
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: not I'm not trying to sound hypocritical here. Um. I yes,
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: Like there's just some some stuff that goes over the top,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: and you see so much of that there, and so
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: that's like, I love this industry. I love the people
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: in the industry. Um, sometimes stuff gets a little over
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: the top, and I think I saw a lot of
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: that the show. Um that here's a perfect example of that.
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: So I'm sitting talking to a guy that I've known
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: for several years and he's talking about this moose, this
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: moose hunt that he went on in Alaska and how
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: it changed his life. And um, you know, he dropped
• 37:29
  Speaker 1: into the middle of the middle of nowhere on a
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: float plane and he went on a like I have
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: seven day moose hunt where if he broke his leg,
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: he's dead, you know, one of those type of hunts.
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: And he's with another guy and all of a sudden
• 37:44
  Speaker 1: like this group of this, this one guy in a
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: group of what I'm gonna call yes men were kind
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: of all kind of close to us, and this one
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: guy was frustrating. He's like, man, why isn't anybody talking
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: to me? Why isn't anybody talking to me? You know,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: I got a great personality. I'd be perfect for a
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: television show. I'd be I'd be perfect for you know, uh,
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: for an advertisement, you know, and all this stuff. And
• 38:08
  Speaker 1: these other guys were going, yeah you would, Yeah, you would,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: You're gonna be you know, you're the next big thing man.
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: And they don't even know it, that kind of stuff,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: and I was just like, what the hell are you
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: guys talking about? And then the next thing out of
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: this one guy's mouth is like, that's it, man, I
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: gotta talk to an agent like oh boy. So I
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: had to bite my tongue and laugh a little bit
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: at that. But you know, just to comment, I'm not
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: trying We're not trying to hate on a guy for
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: making a dollar out of, you know, off this, because
• 38:39
  Speaker 1: we're doing the same thing. Um, It's just I guess
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: how it's presented is kind of where we see a
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: little bit of conflict. Yeah, yeah, And I think if anything,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: you know, seeing stuff that makes us feel off, I
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: think that is like UM as a great reminder for
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: me to always be care for about how I'm conducting
• 39:01
  Speaker 1: myself or presenting what we're doing UM, and the importance
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: of trying to represent things the right way UM, or
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: at least in the way that I feel is right UM.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: And you know, probably rather than complaining, the best thing
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: to do is is to uh to speak with actions
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: and hopefully go about things the way we think that
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: that is is the is the best possible way to
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: do it. So I guess that's what I'm gonna try to.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to trying to look at some of the
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: things I see out there that maybe I don't care
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: for so much and try to make sure that what
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: we're doing here at Weird Hunt UM portray something different.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: So I guess that was what a t was good
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: for me to see, was what I don't want to
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: be UM. And then also, you know, there's certainly examples
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: of what I would like to to you know, to
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: be too. So that's right, that's right. Can I can
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: I put a silver lining on that? Please? Do? I think?
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: And and maybe this is just that I didn't notice it.
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: But I didn't see as much of that stuff. Um,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and maybe just because I I wasn't paying attention to it,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: it could have been there, but I don't think. Maybe
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: it was, and I don't think you guys are saying
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: was widespread, But coming from a guy who's never been
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: there before, I saw a little bit of it, but
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: it wasn't really something that really stood out big time
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: to me. So for what it's worth, I guess that's good.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: It's not you know, it wasn't rampant or anything like that.
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: It was there. There's a couple of things that I saw,
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: but all in all, I was you know, I thought
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: it was cool. Yeah, that was good to hear. And
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: that's you know, we're probably more tuned into it because
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: or maybe we've just seen little things for so long
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: that now we just noticed it more. Um, you're more
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: to notice it. Yeah. No, that's good to hear though. Um,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: So to your point, there was silver lining. Let's talk
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: about the good stuff. A good stuff, good stuff because
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: there was some cool stuff there. Um. Why Dan, do
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: you I guess real quick to you compared to past years,
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: do you think that the like slate of new stuff
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: was better or on par or worse than what we
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: usually see as far as the exciting new products. I'm
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: gonna say a little bit of average. Right. So, every year,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: these companies feel that they probably got to come out
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: with something new just so they make some kind of impact.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: That way, they get some kind of market share in
• 41:20
  Speaker 1: whatever category that they're selling in, and uh, then they
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: market that and that's how they know, generate exposure for
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: new sales. Right. So some companies, you know, some companies
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: try to do that every year. Some companies, you know,
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: take their time and try to do do it right
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: and maybe take a little bit longer. And then there's
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: some companies that just have great products. Like I'll just
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: use Lone Wolf as an example. I mean, I talked
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: with the guy who owns Lone Wolf, and he's just like,
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, if we're gonna come out with something, it's
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: got to be really good because we already have a
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: product that's really good. If that makes sense, No no
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: use throwing some random new stuff out there every year
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: if there's not real change, right right exactly. Yeah, I
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: kind of felt like the same thing that it was
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: kind of on average I'd say it's like it was
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: like an average amount of new stuff, but maybe I
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: just felt that there isn't all that much new and exciting,
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: like whatever there is is a little incremental improvements for everybody,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: but there wasn't like a whole lot of stuff that
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: was like, holy crap, this is awesome. Like I don't know,
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: did Josh, did you see anything that you're like, holy smokes,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: this is it. I thought kind of the same way,
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: and I was talking with people like trying to find
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: out like, hey, what do I need to go see
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: what's you know, what's the next big thing? And everyone
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: was kind of like, well, there's not a lot of No,
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: there's nothing really that major out this year. And it
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: sounds like kind of a lot of the companies maybe
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: kind of just scaled back a little bit this year
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: or whatever the case. Maybe um from what I heard, um,
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it was kind of a lot of the
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: stuff I've seen already out there, just a little tweaks
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: to certain things, but nothing, um, you know, nothing like
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: monumental like holy cow, that's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. So I
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: didn't get to look at products as much as I
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: think that the two of you did. Um, so I
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: want to hear about the biggest part of bow hunting bows.
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: Did you guys get to look at a lot of bows?
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: Go ahead, Josh, you talk first. Yeah, I looked at
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: like all the major bow companies. Um, I didn't shoot
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: any just there's such a line up around the the
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: shooting walls to to shoot the bows, and I just
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: wasn't really interested in waiting in line to shoot him.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: Um I didn't shoot any, but just kind of the
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: one that there's kind of like three that stuck out
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: to me that I felt good in the hand and
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: look good. And um, I like the Halen for Matthews
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: Halonty two. That's a slick looking bow. I really like
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: the Prime Synergy Synergy. However, you say that that just
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: interesting concept. They moved the that move the grip up
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: to the center of the bow just kind of really
• 44:03
  Speaker 1: sits in her hand nice. And then uh, I always
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: done a fan of Bear. I like the Bear Moment.
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: That was a nice looking bow. So those are kind
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: of the top three that I liked. But I mean, really,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: all those big time ballmakers and all those bows are
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: so nice and I'm shooting nice, so you really can't
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: go wrong. Yeah, yeah, what do you think Dan did?
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Did you I know Ryan shot him? Did you shoot
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: any right? Um? I shot a handful of them? Um Like,
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: but like you, I was kind of busy doing certain things.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: But in talking to Ryan, you know, all these bow
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: manufacturers out there, the technology just keeps getting better and better,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: and these companies are just putting out a better and
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: better and more efficient product every year. And he he
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: did shoot every bow in that room, and or every
• 44:50
  Speaker 1: flagship bow in that room, the new new to two
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: thousand seventeen models, and he's like the difference between the
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: cream of the op what he felt, and uh, you
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: know the there's there's a low obviously, then there's a middle,
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: and all the middle bows are with so close to
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: each other that you can barely even tell. And then
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: there's he has like a top four that he he
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: called out that he really liked. And um but yeah,
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: I mean I I shot a I shot a handful
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: of bows. And man, I'll tell you what, You're gonna
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: laugh at me for saying this. But if there's anybody
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: out there that gets the opportunity, and I don't want
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: this to sound like a commercial, but take a look
• 45:41
  Speaker 1: at a company called Gear head archery. They make that
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: double riser all this funky little thing. Yeah. So they
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: just came out with the T thirty this year and
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: it is a um it's it's a thirty in axle
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: to axle version because they have an eight team they
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: have a twenty and in axle to axel. So those
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: are really small bows, right. Um. First time I walked
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: by and just like, is this a kid's bow? I don't,
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: Is this like for fun? And then you start to
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: learn about it and shoot it? Oh my lord, I'm
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: not gonna say anything except if you get the opportunity
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: to shoot a gearhead bow, shoot it. Well, I'm curious
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: because literally I've I've not paid any attention to it.
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: What what's the gist? Why why is it so great? What? How?
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Why does this double riser thing make it different? Okay,
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: so from what the guy told me, and this is
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: just like second hand information from the guy at the
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: shooting lane. Um, so it just absorbs more energy, right,
• 46:42
  Speaker 1: And there's no hand shock, really, there's no All I
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: can say is when I shot it, it's that like
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: that that sound, that perfect sound. Right. So I talked
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: with an engineer on my podcast a while ago from
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: Bear who was talking about sound and efficient bows. So
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: if if a bow is loud and has some handshock,
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: that means it's unefficient, right, it's forms of inefficiencies. Now
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: if a bow is quiet and has little hand shock,
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: then it's more efficient, right, So more of that energy
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: goes to driving the arrow. Yes, that makes sense. Yep.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: So this this particular bow, and there's other there's some
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: other bows in the room that that were similar to this,
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: but just the design. Being able to keep my hand
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: open and it's like the tips of my fingers, I
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: was able to rest on the inside of the riser
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: because the the rest is in between the risers. The
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: site goes in betwetween the risers, and the grip is
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: dead center. So it's all I gotta say is shoot it.
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: It's it's crazy, I mean it is. It's one of
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: those do you ever remember shooting an old, older bottle
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: bow and then you pick up one of the newer ones,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: like your bow maybe ten fifteen years old, and then
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: you go and shoot one of these brand new ones
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: and you're just like whoa, yeah, right, it's like that, huh.
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I mean, I guess you. You gotta give him credit.
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: For trying something new. I mean we just we're just talking.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: We're just complaining about how there's nothing new anymore. So right,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: these guys are trying it. I mean, this this isn't there.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: This wasn't their first a t A show. They I mean,
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: they've been around for like I think two or three
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: years now, and uh um so this this T thirty.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: They came out with two different models of it. One
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: of them is called the Mongolian and it has those
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: curved up tips. Oh yeah, so that one's I guess
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: their speed bow. But yeah, that's just one of the bows. Um.
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: I shot a bear LS something that was really seven
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: l S six seven stuff like that, Yeah, something like Yeah,
• 49:03
  Speaker 1: I think it was the seven that I shot And
• 49:05
  Speaker 1: it felt really good too. Those were two that are
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: come off the top of my head. Nice. Yeah, I
• 49:11
  Speaker 1: wish I had gotten to check them out. But like
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: we're talking about, I've always thought the lines and the
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: weight and stuff always seemed like I didn't want to
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: wait around with much people to shoot. But but yeah,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: there's there's a lot of cool looking bowls, no doubt
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: about that. I think what I always kind of come
• 49:26
  Speaker 1: away from this is like there's always these incremental other
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: than maybe this gearhead. Um. You know, all these bowls
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: are are really great. Um, it's just like finding the
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: right fit for you. Um. You know, I feel like
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: some of us, like some people can shoot a really
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: heavy pounds bow that's not terribly forgiving and super fast
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: and they're to be fine with it. Um. But then
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: there's people who need something that's you know, maybe not
• 49:50
  Speaker 1: as fast but is going to you know that the
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: draw cycle is more. You know, I need a bowl
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: I can hold back easily. I need a bowl that
• 49:58
  Speaker 1: I can get back easily. I'm at that big buff dude.
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: So um, you know, I prioritize different things. So I
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: think my biggest thing over the years has been just like, Okay,
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: what's the right bow for my fit and feel? Um right,
• 50:10
  Speaker 1: and testing those things out. I think it's pretty important, right. Yeah.
• 50:15
  Speaker 1: And one thing I took away from this whole experiences
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: there's definitely no shortage of bow options out there. I
• 50:22
  Speaker 1: mean there's so many different models and companies and a
• 50:25
  Speaker 1: lot of companies you never even heard or they're you know,
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: smaller companies on that are growing or whatever. But there's
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: definitely no shortage of options to to try and shoot
• 50:36
  Speaker 1: and see what fits best for you. Yeah. I also
• 50:39
  Speaker 1: I also noticed that there was a handful of companies,
• 50:44
  Speaker 1: I'll use New Breed as an example that started off
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: being a compound company, but now they're extending their range
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: into traditional as well, so they're there. I think the
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: industry is kind of seeing a little uh spark in
• 51:02
  Speaker 1: the trad world, That's true. I feel like there's a
• 51:05
  Speaker 1: number of even like the big companies that were featuring
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: their traditional options a little more. I know, Bear obviously
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: showed off their traditional stuff. I saw Hoyt was, you know,
• 51:14
  Speaker 1: featuring there. I think there had to recare ever something
• 51:17
  Speaker 1: that they were featuring there pretty prominently too. So there's
• 51:20
  Speaker 1: definitely a currently as one. Yeah do that, yep. I
• 51:23
  Speaker 1: think Elite has a traditional bow as well. Nice. What
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: about accessories, uh, anything in the accessory standpoint, stabilizers, rest sites,
• 51:32
  Speaker 1: anything stand out on that front? Josh see anything, josh um.
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's so many different accessories. Trying to think
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: of a couple. I've never used one, but they seem
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: to be picking up a lot of popularity. Is like
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: kind of those offset stabilizers, Yeah, like the sidebars, Like
• 51:54
  Speaker 1: I know, I think Trophy Ridges came out with one
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: this year, and there's a couple of other companies that
• 51:59
  Speaker 1: have them. Um. Yeah, I think Beasting I'd be I'd
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: be willing to try those. Yep they got one. Yep,
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: still Craze, that's the one I was trying to think of.
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: UM But yeah, definitely seeing like more of those options
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: which look intriguing, I wouldn't mind trying one of those
• 52:16
  Speaker 1: at some point. Um. No, nothing nothing that really stands out. UM.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: You know a couple of new drop away drop away
• 52:27
  Speaker 1: rests and things like that, I don't I think True
• 52:30
  Speaker 1: Blow had a new one. I can't think of the
• 52:32
  Speaker 1: name of it. Um Ah had a one that they
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: came out, Trophy Ridge had a new version too, right,
• 52:44
  Speaker 1: you know something like that. They had like four or
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: five new different UM sites, and then they also had
• 52:51
  Speaker 1: the Level yet, which is a drop away option. UM.
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything too fancy about it. I
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: think it's just kind of a UM if I'm remembering
• 53:00
  Speaker 1: the right, And I could be completely wrong in this.
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: I talked to so many people, but I think what
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: they said it was more of like a UM like
• 53:08
  Speaker 1: an entry level kind of drop away rest for the
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: people looking to get into those at a decent price point.
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: I could be totally wrong on that, so don't quote
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: me on that, but um, it's like a you know,
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: a decent, decent option. I never shot one of those.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: I I'd be willing to give one of those to
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: try too. So what about you, Dan, did you see
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: any sites or rest or anything that we're intriguing. Yeah? Okay,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: so h H came out with a drop away rest.
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: I think this year pretty simple. But they also came
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: out and I know, I don't think they're the first
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: person to do this, but they're typically a one pin company,
• 53:46
  Speaker 1: like a one pin site company, yeah, which you make
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: adjustments on the side when after you arranged the animal,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: you know, you make your adjustments on yardage. So they
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: have this site that I kind of found interesting where
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: it was it's just three pin site, right, so you
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: side in and forty, but and you keep the you
• 54:08
  Speaker 1: keep the knob at forty. But when let's say there's
• 54:13
  Speaker 1: a sixty yard you need a sixty yard shot forroute
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: west or you know, anything longer than forty, you can
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: adjust that knob back to you know, seventy whatever, and
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: then you use the bottom pin two as your as
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: your as the pin you want to use. So it's
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: it's perfect for maybe a white tail hunter that is
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: uh in the tree stand, but at the same time
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: it can be used for the spot and stock hunter
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: where Okay, I'm gonna arrange that bush and that bush
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: is forty yards away from that that that bush is
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: forty yards away from that bedded animal. So I make
• 54:56
  Speaker 1: it there. I got. I don't have to change, I
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: don't have to make any adjust it's it's it's either
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: gonna be twenty or forty. If it's inside forty, I
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: don't need to make any adjustments. But if he pops
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: up real quick, then I can quick adjust and then
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: use the bottom pin. So it's almost like a multi site,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: so there's always stay the same you set that, but
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: then you can manually adjust the one pin however you
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: want in the field, as if you're using a single
• 55:23
  Speaker 1: pin site the whole time, right, right, so you keep
• 55:27
  Speaker 1: you keep the site at forty yards right, so then
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: that keeps the twenty thirty and forty pins are currently
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: in range. Then you can move it from forty yards
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: and out. This is my understanding of it. And you
• 55:45
  Speaker 1: use the bottom pin, so once you move it, the
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: top two pins are off, but the bottom pin is on,
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: so you use the bottom pin for the fifties, sixty,
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: seventy whatever. And yeah, okay, interesting, what do you use?
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: Do use a single pin? You don't use a single pin? Right?
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Then you use like a three pin or something? Well, no,
• 56:10
  Speaker 1: I used in the past. I've used a couple of
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: single pins. Then I changed to that react site. And
• 56:20
  Speaker 1: now I think that that h J kind of got
• 56:24
  Speaker 1: me thinking about how I how I hunt. And you know,
• 56:30
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be going out west this year, but I'm
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: also a tree stand hunter, you know, from majority of
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: the year, so it's like I don't want to have
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: to change my gear. Before I had come back to
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: whitetail hunting. So I think this site I'm looking to
• 56:46
  Speaker 1: do like a revamp this year. So I'm strongly looking
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: at that three pin site. Interesting. Yeah, I've got the
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: five pin racked, so I've got sixty um, So that's
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: that's work for me out west and here. But I
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: know some people don't like having that many pins. You
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: know that that can be tough on your site picture
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: there when you've got so much in the way. So
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: I get. I get the intrigue with looking at different
• 57:11
  Speaker 1: options for some people. Um. Yeah, As far as accessories,
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: for me, there was like nothing that stood out. Um.
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. That's one of those things that unless
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: you go like talk to someone in detail, it's hard
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: to like notice that, oh there's this thing and it's
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: different because it drops away just a little bit faster
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Um. But I'll tell you one
• 57:29
  Speaker 1: thing that did stand out was tree stands. There are
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: a couple of fun There are a couple of funky
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: tree stands, and one of them one tree I was
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: just looking back on Facebook, Josh, um and you did
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: a great job posting pictures and everything, and the millennium
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: tree stand that is like degree big circle that that
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: post you put on social media got shared like a
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: thousand times and like twenty million people or something. Stupid
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: I saw that thing. Um, I don't remember the exact number,
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: but it was twenty thousand or I don't know. There
• 58:02
  Speaker 1: was a lot of people and everyone was comedy about
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: how bizarre more interesting they found this tree stand. So
• 58:10
  Speaker 1: kurt me if I'm wrong, And I don't remember what
• 58:12
  Speaker 1: it's called, but it is basically a very large like
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: a I don't know, maybe three and a half foot
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: diameter circular metal platform platform, you know, and then it's
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: got a swivel seat in the middle of it, and
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: then that whole thing attaches off its side to the tree. Um.
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: And then the justice that you can sit on that
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: and spend three sixty degrees on your little platform while
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: you're big platform. Um. Yeah, man, that thing looks heavy
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: and big and hard to get something in a tree.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: You know what it's like. It's almost like a tripod
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: stand that attaches to the tree. I mean that's kind
• 58:55
  Speaker 1: of what it's basically what it's like. Um. But yeah,
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: it looks super heavy. I can't remember the exact stecks
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: on it for the weight, but I don't know how
• 59:05
  Speaker 1: you get that thing up into the tree without having
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: some sort of poly system or something, because that did
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: not look light. It's funny you said that. It's funny
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: that you said Polly because I was talking and it
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: wasn't necessarily the Millennium stand, but I was talking to
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: another company and the guys like, yeah, I just get
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: one or two of your buddies. First thing you do,
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: climb up hook a Polly up to a branch or
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: screwed in the tree and then you just kind of
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: have your one buddy hold it while you climb back
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: up and uh, you know, attach it. I'm just like,
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: so it's like, yep, exactly exactly that I was gonna
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: saying too. Yeah, that moonstand was nuts. I think I
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: think the idea behind it is cool, though. We'll tell
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: us about that. Yeah, yeah, no, I agree. So so
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: basically from what I remember, and Danny May you can
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: crrect me if I'm wrong, but it's it's like a
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: cable less tree stand, so you don't have those classic
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: cables on your lock on stands that drop you know
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: that connect the seat or the the center post to
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: the platform. It's the platform like folded back underneath the
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: but I'm sorry that the t post like folded back
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 1: under the platform. And I once you get to the tree,
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: open it up and then you have to put a
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 1: bolt in it to get everything to stay. And then yeah,
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 1: they said you have to like pull a you know,
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: do like a Polley system to get it up in
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 1: the tree stand because the half to shape one it
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: was like pounds or something like. Yeah, it's crazy, so heavy. Um,
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: but it's similar to that millennium stand where you have
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: a bigger um like radius of of shot, opportunities being
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: able to stand on the side of it um or
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: like the guy explained, you could you know, hi'd your
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: silouette better, you know, geers coming from a from somewhere
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: you didn't think you would come. You can kind of
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: slide around and get behind the tree of a like
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: a half moon shape platform. So definitely interesting concept. Um,
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 1: cool looking stand, cool idea, But just in terms of
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 1: um practicality, I wouldn't want to be lugging a forty
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: pounds fifty pound tree stand out to my stand, that's
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: for sure. It's not mobile. Yeah, no, it'd be i'd
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: be when you hang in the off season you leave
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: there all years for sure, right right, Definitely not I
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: guess maybe for specifically how we hunt lots of times,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 1: maybe not the best fit for us, But some people
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: I could see, you know, there could be some interesting
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: uses for it. Uh. It did have a quarter like
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: a quarter moon I think it's called a quarter moon platform.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: I think that one was like twenty five pounds, so
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: that's a little bit more reasonable. Um in terms of weight.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 1: You just don't have the big platform like the other
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: one did untill the same idea doesn't have any cables
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 1: or anything like that. Now for me, I like the
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: exact opposite of that. I want the smallest lightest stand possible.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: And um, I don't know if you guys saw this one,
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: but speaking of Millennium, UM, I saw they have a
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: stand called the micro Light. UM. It is eight and
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 1: a half pounds. Only eight and a half pounds, so
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: that's lighter than my lone Wolf stands by like two
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 1: pounds or more. UM. And it's got that like fabric seat.
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: It's not like a cushion, it's like the sling seat. UM.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: Now the platform the plat yet it's smashed. The platform
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: looks really small, but that's never bothered me too much.
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 1: So I'm kind of interested in that because, you know,
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: especially with camera gear and then all your hunting gear
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: in your pack, I always like, I'm always trying to
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: find some way to cut weight, just to make those
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: long walks a little less uncomfortable or sweaty. Um. Do
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 1: you guys see that one? What was the name of
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: it again? It's the micro light Okay, micro light, Yeah,
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: worth checking out. I thought it was kind of cool, um,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: except excep. He had like an adjustment on one of
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: their stands. Those are like the similar to Lone Wolf
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: stands UM. And they made those a little bit later too, right, dude,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: I think you've posted that, Josh, Yeah, I posted something
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: on that. Yeah. They I think they they're a little
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: bit lighter, um, relatively all the same as last year.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 1: They just had like a different coding on their platform
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: and things like that to make a little quieter. Um.
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: But yeah, those are pretty light um. But that micro
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: light from Millennium was the lightest one I saw, at
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: least from the things that I looked at. Yeah, Um,
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: were there any others that stood to to you? Jeff,
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: I really liked the Hawk tree stands UM that flows
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 1: that one called the Helium. I think the helium is
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: like they they had like an adjustable platform on it,
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 1: so like like I know, like I've got like an
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 1: older muddy I think it's like the Muddy outfitter or
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 1: something like that, where the platform you can adjust it,
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: um if your tree is not perfectly straight up and down. Um.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 1: So Hawk had that, um this new tree stand they
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: just came out with the Helium. That was a nice
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 1: looking stand. Um. All of their stuff look looked really nice,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: did it. I didn't see like a super lightweight option.
• 1:04:11
  Speaker 1: I think they had one that was like twelve pounds. Um.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 1: But those looked like real nice stands and Michigan Company,
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: and I'd be willing to check one of those out
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: in the future. Those like looked real nice. And I
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 1: think they had a new box line two which looked
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: pretty nice. Yeah, I am totally unrelated to that, but
• 1:04:29
  Speaker 1: I just started laughing because I thought of something I
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: saw on Facebook, um related to another tree stand, and
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 1: that was like the vine stands from Summit. Um, those
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: are the ones that you know, they make the ladder
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: and stuff like all weirdly shaped, um, so that you know,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: it doesn't stand out in the woods like other hunters
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: won't necessarily see it, or maybe so deer won't notice
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: the ladder going up the side of the tree stand.
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: And um, no straight lines exactly, no straight lines And
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 1: that came out last year. UM. But I just laughed because, Um,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: there's this song and you know what, Josh, um, it's
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: oh gosh, I think it's the second week of deer
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: camp that we always listened to on like on the
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 1: hunting cit and at the end of that song, they
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: go treat every deer hunter like he's loaded. And somebody
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: commented on a picture of the Summit Vine ladder stand
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: and just said, quote treat every deer hunter like he's loaded,
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: and then dot dot can you imagine trying to climb
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: up this thing after a long night. I just cracked up,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 1: because when you look at him like, okay, yeah, that
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: would be pretty tough to to climb up if you
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 1: weren't feeling so the next day. I can't imagine Mark
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: climbing up that thing, not you know, normal, you got
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: one end, I got, I got. No, that's a fair point.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: What other interesting things did you guys see? Anything good
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: trail cameras? Any good trail cameras? UM, A couple of
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: cool ones I think, well, Bush Knows came out like
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: some updates to the trophy cams. I've always been a
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 1: fan of the trophy cams. That's what most of my
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 1: cameras are. And um, I think just some increased megapixels
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: and things like that. I don't think anything groundbreaking on those.
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: Um by point has solar. I'm sorry, go ahead, no,
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: I was. I was actually gonna ask if either one
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: of you guys had seen that one this by point one. Yeah, yep,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: I watched by Those are solar powers, so they've got
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: so I think they had the regular camera. It's a
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 1: solar powered option last year, as they said, um, but
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: this year they're coming out with their wireless model and
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 1: solar power option, which would be sweet. And what I
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: liked about that is like, I feel like there's some
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like in the past, there were some trail
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: cameras that had like a separate solar panel that you
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: could mount above a trail camera to power, but it
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: was like really big and bulky and separate. But this
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: one was small, I mean, like a very small little
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: piece on top of the camera and it seemed to
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 1: be all one, like complete package. So that was kind
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 1: of all one unit, it looked like, especially for the
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: wireless cameras, which seemed to go through batteries a little faster. Yeah. Um.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: I did put pictures of those up as if anybody
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: wants to check them out. Um. And then Browning had
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: like a Bluetooth connected Uh you could connect it to
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 1: it from Bluetooth um, which sounds cool. I'm not exactly
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: sure how practical you can maybe I guess if you're
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: hunting near it, you could check the pictures. I think
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 1: it they said it like went up to like a
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 1: hundred feet or something like that. Um, so you could,
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: like I'm assuming you could like check the pictures from
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: your phone or something via Bluetooth. But you'd have to be,
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: you know, someone near it to do that. Um. But
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: some cool technology on that front the possibility of being
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 1: able to do that maybe a longer range in the future.
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 1: So like that. Yeah, that's kind of the big things
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: I noticed on trail cameras. I think the Conics has
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: that ability on their new one too. It's like the
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: micro fire or something like that. Um. I think if
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: you're within like a hundred feet or a hundred yards
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 1: or something, that you can check it from your phone,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: which I think that's something that that's going to continue
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: to just spread the whole wireless trout camera, whether it's
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: over cell phone networks or if it's Bluetooth or whatever. Um.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: I got out to say, I mean, I know we
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 1: were talking about earlier this year Dan about you know,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: is it too much technology? You know, are there some
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: questionable things there? And I got to I had to
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 1: cell cameras for the first time this year, and um,
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean they were really really handy
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: just to not have to be there, to not have
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: to walk back there. Um that was I was never
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: put in like a weird position where I was like, oh,
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 1: I have this picture and now I'm going to go
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: hunt there. And you know, I never had a situation
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 1: where I had to make that decision um that maybe
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: you know could be questionable. So that was you know,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: I know, weird things go on with it that made
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: me feel uncomfortable. Um, it just ended up being like
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: a helpful way to avoid having to go in there
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: and muck things up. So I don't know, that was nice.
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 1: Hopefully the costs keep going down on those well that's yeah,
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: all technology works that way. You know, over time, the
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 1: technology gets better, but the cost will go down because
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: it has to. I mean that's how that's how, that's competition.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: So you'll start seeing a lot of a lot of
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: that technology like be probably come standard with some of
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 1: these trail cameras here pretty soon. Yeah, I think. So
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: speaking of technology, there's another one. I think stealth Cam
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: came out with a four K trail camera and I
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: don't know, I mean that's that's like, do we need
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: four K perfect imagery of these deer? Um. I guess
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: it's cool, but I've actually started going to lower pixels
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: stuff like I I'd rather have more inexpensive trail cameras
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: sometimes that maybe don't have the very highest of high
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: quality pictures versus like one really expensive, tough one. So
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: sometimes I find myself like trying to figure out do
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 1: I want a really high quality one or do I
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: want a bunch of cheapes that I can just spread
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 1: all over. But well, interesting stuff speaking of expensive versus
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: non expensive. Though, one thing I saw that I liked
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 1: that I don't think it's expensive at all was a
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: new practice tip from G five UM. What they did,
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 1: which I thought was kind of interesting, was they were
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 1: looking at the fact that you know, usually when you
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 1: need to you know, during the summer, you're shooting your
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: field tips all the time, you're tuned in, you're sighted
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: with that paper tune, whatever it might be. You're shooting great.
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: But then just before the season, right, you should make
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 1: sure you test your broadheads just to make sure everything
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: is right, and then you know, adjust if you have
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 1: to to make sure your broadheads are flying the same. Um.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 1: But inevitably what you have happens that you start shooting
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: your broadheads. And number one, if you're shooting a broadhead
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: or one of those fake um like expandables, is you're
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: tearing up your targets. What's one issue. And then number two,
• 1:11:00
  Speaker 1: lots of times it's going to fly differently than your
• 1:11:03
  Speaker 1: field point, and so then you have to tweak your
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 1: site or mess up whatever you did to tune your
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 1: boat just right. And now when you practice your arrows
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 1: fly one way with your field tips, then differently when
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: you're actually out in their field with your broadheads. So
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: G five did is they actually using I don't even
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: know how to describe these different sensors and stuff, But
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 1: all the different tools now that allow you to measure
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: like velocity and all the different factors and variables that
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 1: influence the flight of a projectile. They're able to measure
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: all these things, and they're able to make a field
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 1: tip that flies exactly the same way as a broadhead,
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: but it doesn't look like the broadhead. It looks different
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 1: than the broadhead. It's it's a field tip with some
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 1: fins on it a little bit, but it's very different
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 1: than any of the practice that have ever seen. Um,
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: but ballistically or whatever it flies exactly has the exact
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 1: same characteristics and it is influenced exactly the same way
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 1: by wind and resistance and all that kind of stuff
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 1: as the broadhead. So they have a specific field tip
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 1: paired to a specific broadhead. UM, and I thought that
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 1: was really cool. Um. I don't know if they had
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: that out for all their broadheads. I think I know.
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 1: The one that they were talking about was one called
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 1: thing it's called dead meat. Was the new broadhead. Um,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: it's an I think it was. It's a new expandable um.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 1: But they were going to kind of test it this
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 1: year and see how people, um, you know, received it,
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: and then maybe they'd build out field tips for all
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 1: sorts of broadheads. But I thought that was a simple thing.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: But like made all the suns in the world. Did
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: you guys see that? I did not see that. I
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 1: could not either. Kind of cooler, right, Yeah, it's science.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 1: I love science. It's science. Oh man, I don't know
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: anything else you know? Broadhead? Oh yeah, Um, A couple
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 1: of couple of ones that just like deadly the rage
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 1: has the trypan out that looks just for diculous. I've
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 1: seen a couple of pictures from I think the Juries
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 1: are shooting them this year, and just some of the
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 1: holes that they open up. Holy cow, it has like
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 1: two inch plus UM flip trick. They came out the
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: mechanical it's called I think it's called the Raptor trick,
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: and that's like a two inch cut diameter. N AP
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 1: had a mechanical the Spitfire double cross and it was
• 1:13:27
  Speaker 1: like a like a total three inch cutting radius. UM.
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 1: It ends up being like a four blade mechanical UM,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: which is pretty cool looking. And they also came out
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: the fixed blade called the thunder Thunderhead Nitro. It's a
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: little bit of a lower profile than some of the
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: other uh fix blades out there. The guy I was
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: talking to, so they've been road popular with the western hunters,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: maybe taking some longer shots. UM. So those are kind
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 1: of the the three main broadheads that I I looked at.
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 1: It at least looked like, um, pretty darn deadly. Anything
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: else stand up to you, dam No, I'll be honest.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: I looked at very little broadhead company as while I
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 1: was there. For some reason, I did notice the Slick Trick,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 1: the new Slick Trick Broadhead mechanical. But other than that,
• 1:14:25
  Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't even drawn for some reason to
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 1: some of the other Um. I stopped at a couple
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 1: of booths, but like WASP was one of them I
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 1: stopped at. I don't I don't think they came out
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: with anything new. Um. And what other broadheads did I
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: look at? I can't even remember, But it just I
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I wasn't really drawn to broadheads
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: this year. Yeah. You know, something I noticed that was
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 1: all you, Josh, I was just a dead ringer. Had
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: a lot of new broadheads out, Yeah, had a whole
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 1: bunch of them that different price points, and um, some
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 1: cool looking ones too. They they had a ton of
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: new stuff out, and they were the ones that had
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 1: that lovely advertising in the bathroom. Yeah, that was well positioned,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 1: well positioned right over the urinals for everybody to see. Um.
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say that. The thing I noticed it
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: was a little different was that um, Muzzy and Rage
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 1: are now offering like broadhead and arrow combination UM packs
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 1: Like they're selling I think three arrows with three broadheads
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 1: and field tips include all in one single package kind
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 1: of supposedly, you know, properly, you know, the right set,
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 1: the right match for arrow to broadhead, etcetera. UM, And
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: I think it was a gold tibarrow with each of those.
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys saw that, but that
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 1: was I guess interested that for people that maybe are
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 1: new to hunting that I don't know how to maybe
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 1: pair those, that might be something to be helpful. I
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 1: don't know if that'll be a trend that grows or not,
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 1: but um, that was kind of interesting. That was the
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: only thing I saw broadhead related otherwise. Um, to your point, Dan,
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 1: there wasn't other than like the practice tip stuff I saw.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 1: There wasn't anything that really stood out. Um. You know,
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 1: the the one other thing that I noticed that was
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 1: really popular and lots of people were talking about that's
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 1: totally unrelated. But moving to a different category clothing would
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 1: be remiss not to mention our friends at Sitka UM
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: who launched two really big new things that I don't know,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 1: I felt like. I felt like their stuff was like
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 1: they had people crowding out of their booth every time
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 1: I walked out there, so there soon to be a
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: lot of buzz about it. They launched a women's line
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: of clothing which is uh, you know, specifically designed and
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: tested and put together by female hunters, which is pretty cool.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: And then they also launched the Subalpine um new camouflage
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: pattern and some associated gear which is designed specifically for
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: big game hunters at lower elevations. UM. So those are
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 1: pretty cool. Um. I know, I've been hearing from some
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 1: females that are pretty excited about that. And there's a
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: lot of new clothing companies coming out, Yeah, lots of them,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 1: and mark to your to your point that Booze has
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: packed the entire time. Yeah, every time you walk by,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 1: just people, people coming out, and we kind of got
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: the run down from um one of people working the
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 1: booth on the women's lines. It's just incredible the amount
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: of detail that goes into it to it's not like
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 1: they just made them in like the men's line and
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 1: a women's you know sizes right, totally new. I mean,
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 1: different heat mapping for the insulation and pocket placement depending
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: on like the you know, the female anatomy and things that.
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 1: It is crazy, just the amount of detail, um, that
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 1: that goes into that. It's pretty pretty cool to see.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: Never would have I never would have guessed it. Yeah,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 1: you know, another thing that I would never have guessed
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: would have been something that so many people would ask
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: about would be the new Lacrosse boots in the sick
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 1: opt to Fade pattern. I feel like everybody was talking
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 1: about that, which is a simple improvement. But they look
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: pretty sweet. I gotta I gotta give you that. That's right,
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 1: the thing I'm looking forward to buying the most this year. Yeah,
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 1: I got a pair of my short list of things
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 1: to buy. Yeah, I try to pair this winner and
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: they're they're very nice. I mean, they're your typical alpha
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 1: Burley boot that's been that dependable rubber knee high from
• 1:18:34
  Speaker 1: Lacrosse for a while now. Um, but they look slick.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 1: If you've got I think they're available. And I think
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 1: Subalpine and opt to Fade elevated too, So if you
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: wear one of those cameras, it's a good luck. So Mark,
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: I think it was the I think it was elevated too.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 1: And the duck of the waterfowl pattern, I don't think
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 1: Itine that makes more sense too. Yeah, well, Dan, is
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 1: there any other products stuff you saw that's worth kind
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 1: of running down. I feel we've kind of slowly worked
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 1: their way through a bunch of different categories, But was
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 1: there anything that He's like, Well, I'll tell you what.
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 1: You know, you go to these shows and you get
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 1: the opportunity to meet a ton of people, um and there.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 1: I want to encourage all the listeners to do your
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 1: research before you buy your buy any gear, because just
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: because there's a giant company that spends a ton of
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: money in marketing, don't make your decision based off that.
• 1:19:39
  Speaker 1: Make your decision based off of what fits and feels
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: right for you. Because there's there are a lot of
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 1: smaller companies out there that make, um, make really good products.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 1: So I would say take a look at that, and
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: and kind of elaborating on the good people, um, the
• 1:20:00
  Speaker 1: good people small business. I ran into a company called
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 1: Rugged Meats. Did you guys happen to run run into that?
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 1: They were in a very small booth. They were in
• 1:20:13
  Speaker 1: a back wall where all you know, you'll see a
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: lot of these uh, a lot of these businesses with
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: no like nobody at their booth. They're just kind of
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 1: sitting there and no one there's no no one stops
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: at him. So I stopped at there, stopped at their booth,
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: and they gave me like a sample of this uh
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: this uh meat stick. It was made out of wild bore. Right.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 1: So this company, you know, obviously in the South, everybody
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: knows that there's a huge hog problem right there, overpopulated.
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 1: They're destroying the landscape all this stuff. So what this
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: company does is it works with landowners to capture them alive,
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: take them to a processing plant, and turn them into
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 1: delicious food. Wow. So it's I thought it was kind
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: of cool. It's all natural food. There's no steroids or
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 1: any type of it's organic, and it is um. They
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 1: make these wild boar um snack sticks, I think is
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 1: what they're calling. Looking at the guy's business card right now,
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 1: and uh, they're really nice people. And for some reason
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 1: that just stuck out to me as a really cool
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 1: takeaway from that show is you know, you're gotta meet
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: really really awesome people at these shows who have these
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: new and unique you know, these unique companies that may
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 1: go you know, may go unnoticed otherwise. So I felt
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 1: the need to maybe shout out a company like that
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 1: that kind of has an uh presented a new idea
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: to maybe a problem, a solution to a problem. And
• 1:21:49
  Speaker 1: and these guys are kind of you know, making their
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: dollar based off of a nuisance animal. No, they're not
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: wild pig though, right, I mean, no, they're they're wild.
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: They're not raised. These are these are wild boars. Like
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: down in the South you'll see like some guys shooting
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: the machine gun out of a helicopter. Right, they're they're
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: these they're these nuisance animals. So they can't shoot them
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: and take them into the processor because that goes against
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: like the U s d A regulations. So these farmers
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: will set these huge traps up for them, they'll catch
• 1:22:25
  Speaker 1: a whole bunch of them at one time, and then
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: they'll take them to the processor and then this company
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 1: buys the meat off of them. Okay, because interesting because
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say it's it's illegal to commercially sell
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 1: wild animal meet you know, the commercial harvest of wild
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: animals was outlawed, but I guess that must be different
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: in this kind of case, which is interesting. That's why
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: my question. That's only if the animals dead, so they
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: have to bring them alive to the processor, and that
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: way the U s d A can get their hands
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 1: on it. This is from my understanding, the U s
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: DA can get their hands on it, inspect everything make
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: sure it's clean and there's no problems with it, and
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: you know, and then they can then they can sell it.
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: And I think probably a lot of it has to
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 1: do with it being a nuisance animal, right right. Well, Hey, that's,
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: like you said, a creative solution to what you know
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: sounds like a significant problem down a lot of parts
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: of the country. So that's kind of cool. And so
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: I bought a So I bought a couple, and every
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: night this week I've been munching on one of them,
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 1: so they've taste pretty good. Still, Oh dude, their barbecue
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 1: flavor is something that I would put in a pack,
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: like for for an elk hunt. I like it. I'm
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: I haven't even dinner yet, so I'm definitely getting hungry. Um,
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: speaking of well real quick, is there anything else other
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 1: than that, Josh, anything else you want to make sure
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 1: to mention that people should know about. Um. I don't
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 1: know if people really care about it, but I thought
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 1: maybe the most interesting thing that I saw there was
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: like the eight or nine foot Sasquatch three D target
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: from Reinhardt. That was pretty impressive. I think that comes
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: out in two eighteen. They said that was that was
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 1: pretty wild. To see. The thing is huge. You gotta
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: get that and put it in your backyard, Josh, that
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 1: should be your But they go, yeah, I go over
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 1: real well, uh speaking of elk uh, Josh, while we
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: have you, Yeah, your first elk hunting trip, and Dan
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: had his first elk hunting trip in the same place
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 1: the year before. Do you guys want to commiserate on
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 1: the fact that we can't seem to kill any bull
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 1: up there to find someone else to go hunt with? Josh, Dan,
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 1: maybe you and I should go together. Yeah, I guess
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 1: I was the common thread of the issue there. Yeah,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 1: I mean, it was a it was a trip of
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 1: a lifetime and hopefully I don't know if I'll be
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 1: able to do it this year, but you know I've
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 1: I've got it time. So then they go going another one.
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 1: So it was it was a great time. It was.
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 1: It was a tough week um of hunting. U buddy
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: Andy shout that cow on the first day. But other
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 1: than that, I mean, it was pretty pretty tough hunting
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 1: until really the last day was the first time I
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: saw a decent bowl of old trip or second to
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: last day, and and then Dan, that's when I just
• 1:25:21
  Speaker 1: got totally left behind by by Mark over there with
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: those long legs they run en up this mountain and
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 1: I was just I was dying. I couldn't keep it.
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 1: So it was that the notes it self to getting
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: better shape. Yeah, we're getting a job that allows you
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 1: to live in uh, Montana for entire summer. Huh. Yeah. Yeah,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: it was live out there for the summer and hike
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: and get used to the elevation and then maybe it
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 1: wouldn't be so bad. Yeah, it was aesop. I'd do
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 1: it again in a heartbeat. Yeah, yeah, it's uh. I
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 1: guess I did have a little bit of an advantage
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 1: there that helps. How's your workouts coming down and you're
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 1: getting Are you off to a good start? Yeah, dude,
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 1: spent thirty minutes on a treadmill today. Nice. That's good. Well,
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 1: I think with that we should wrap it up. We've
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 1: we've kind of rambled on for a little while here
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 1: and uh and we're well past time. So Josh, thanks
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 1: for thanks for catching up again with us. This is fun.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. It's a good time. You want
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 1: to make fun of me some more, and I'll do
• 1:26:24
  Speaker 1: another one. Well, Josh, it is your responsibility now to
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 1: bring someone else in so we don't focus on you
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 1: anymore because as of right now you're you're still the
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: new guy. So the next time, bring someone else and
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  Speaker 1: we'll just shame them. It's true. Perfect, I'll just started
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  Speaker 1: doing my research. We're gonna hopefully have hopefully Josh will
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  Speaker 1: be out with me in Iowa this year too dance,
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  Speaker 1: so you can you can rag on him in person too. Perfect. Awesome. Alright,
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  Speaker 1: well let's wrap this one up. But to do that,
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  Speaker 1: we first need to thank our partners who helped keep
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  Speaker 1: this podcast on the air so big. Thanks to sit
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  Speaker 1: a Gear, Redneck, Blinds Hunter, a Maps, Yeti, Cooler's Ozonics,
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  Speaker 1: of North America. We really really appreciate their support. And
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  Speaker 1: also haven't mentioned this in a little while, but if
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  Speaker 1: also just want to thank you for spending this time
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  Speaker 1: this year today. I appreciate you listening hopefully found this
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  Speaker 1: one interesting some of our you know, our talks about
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  Speaker 1: some of this different gear. Maybe that inspired you to
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  Speaker 1: pick up some exciting new things this year, and hopefully,
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  Speaker 1: most importantly, you'll stay wired to hunt