Latest / FSU Football: Doak Talk / FSU COLLAPSES vs Alabama | Norvell, Jimbo, Tony White + LIVE Calls

Transcript

FSU COLLAPSES vs Alabama | Norvell, Jimbo, Tony White + LIVE Calls · FSU Football: Doak Talk

• 1:38
  Speaker 1: Hey, what's going on, Old Nation? CJ Wilson here with
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: Dope Talk.
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: Of course, this is our weekly live to recap the
• 1:44
  Speaker 2: game and that type of deal. I'm going to give
• 1:46
  Speaker 2: you guys some time to fill in and go from there.
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: I know we, again, like I stated in the past,
• 1:52
  Speaker 2: we broadcast from X, Twitter, whatever you guys call it,
• 1:56
  Speaker 2: and we broadcast.
• 1:57
  Speaker 1: From YouTube as well. If you're viewing from the X.
• 1:59
  Speaker 2: Portion, please venture over to the YouTube portion of things.
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: Show some love in the comment section. Hang out a
• 2:06
  Speaker 2: little bit. Hit that like button and, of course, subscribe
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: to the channel if you haven't already. We will be
• 2:13
  Speaker 2: kind of going through my typical spiel of me going
• 2:16
  Speaker 2: through my stuff and what I saw within the game
• 2:19
  Speaker 2: and then opening the phone lines up for you guys
• 2:21
  Speaker 2: to get your takes off and just vent whatever it
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: may be. Questions, concerns about the game, just overall takes, venting,
• 2:31
  Speaker 2: letting that shit out, whatever it may be. You know,
• 2:33
  Speaker 2: I let you guys do your thing on the phone
• 2:35
  Speaker 2: line side of things. So we'll be doing that at
• 2:38
  Speaker 2: the end of the broadcast and also Super Chats. We
• 2:43
  Speaker 2: really appreciate all the Super Chats, man. Helps us pay
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: the bills around here. But if you guys have any
• 2:47
  Speaker 2: questions specifically that you want answered, I typically don't really
• 2:51
  Speaker 2: get into the comment section until we get towards the
• 2:54
  Speaker 2: end of the show and start, I guess, going through
• 2:59
  Speaker 2: the call-in portion of it. So anything that you guys
• 3:02
  Speaker 2: want to be addressed specifically within the show, go ahead
• 3:05
  Speaker 2: and hit that super chat. All super chats are answered
• 3:08
  Speaker 2: pretty much instantly. And we show it on the screen
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: just in third. So if you guys want to interrupt
• 3:13
  Speaker 2: me about anything we have going, show a little love
• 3:16
  Speaker 2: in the super chat and we'll address your concerns there
• 3:19
  Speaker 2: for sure. Gotta show a little bit of love to
• 3:29
  Speaker 2: our sponsor, man. Shout out to ClickSpin. ClickSpin provides a
• 3:32
  Speaker 2: corporate MasterCard built for any type of business expenses such
• 3:35
  Speaker 2: as traveling, lodging, entertainment, shipping products, you name it, they
• 3:41
  Speaker 2: have you covered. You get 2.25% back in cash back
• 3:43
  Speaker 2: in Evergreen. Again, 2.25% cash back. Most companies start you
• 3:48
  Speaker 2: off with 1%. We're going to take care of you
• 3:50
  Speaker 2: guys with 2.25%. And again, there's no annual fees and
• 3:53
  Speaker 2: there's no monthly fees. So it's all money within your pocket.
• 3:56
  Speaker 2: Tap in with Clickspin. You can reach out to them
• 3:58
  Speaker 2: at clickspin.com, which is the website, or shoot them an
• 4:01
  Speaker 2: email if you want further information in regards to what
• 4:04
  Speaker 2: they offer.
• 4:05
  Speaker 1: Hello at clickspin.com. That email address is hello at clickspin.com.
• 4:11
  Speaker 1: Tap in if you have any type.
• 4:13
  Speaker 2: Of business that you, you know, small business that you're
• 4:17
  Speaker 2: getting off the ground or whatever, they can definitely take
• 4:20
  Speaker 2: care of you as far as any type of expenses
• 4:23
  Speaker 2: within your business. Tap in with click spam. All right,
• 4:28
  Speaker 2: let's go ahead and get going real quick. FSU ended
• 4:32
  Speaker 2: up losing 50-36 to Alabama. They started off on fire
• 4:35
  Speaker 2: scoring three touchdowns in the first quarter. It was 21-6
• 4:39
  Speaker 2: at a certain point. Had me lying like crazy on
• 4:43
  Speaker 2: the timeline for a little bit and even in my
• 4:45
  Speaker 2: living room. Came in and played some inspired football with
• 4:52
  Speaker 2: all the noise that's surrounding the program within the last week,
• 4:54
  Speaker 2: as you guys know. Athletic director Michael Hoffer was fired.
• 4:58
  Speaker 2: A lot of speculation about Martin Orville's job and that
• 5:01
  Speaker 2: type of deal.
• 5:02
  Speaker 1: Team kind of I guess.
• 5:07
  Speaker 2: Heard the noise and felt like they needed to respond
• 5:09
  Speaker 2: and they came out inspired early on. But even with that,
• 5:13
  Speaker 2: it was still some of the same issues that we
• 5:14
  Speaker 2: discussed in previous shows, in previous podcasts or shows, whatever
• 5:19
  Speaker 2: that showed his face during the course.
• 5:20
  Speaker 3: Of the game.
• 5:21
  Speaker 2: And everything kind of just a seemed to implode from there.
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: I was weary early on with our quick start due
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: to how Alabama has been playing this season. As you
• 5:34
  Speaker 2: guys recall, last week against Kentucky, they started off real
• 5:40
  Speaker 2: slow against Kentucky and then got things going in the
• 5:42
  Speaker 2: second quarter, or the second half, rather, and pulled away
• 5:45
  Speaker 2: from Kentucky. It was kind of similar to what we
• 5:47
  Speaker 2: did at FSU, but a lot of the stuff, I
• 5:48
  Speaker 2: think it was just us shooting ourselves in the foot
• 5:51
  Speaker 2: for the most part. But again, we lost another true
• 5:54
  Speaker 2: road game, which is the streak has continued. FSU hasn't
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: won a road game dating back to 2023, the last
• 6:04
  Speaker 2: game of the regular season against the Florida Gators, 2023.
• 6:07
  Speaker 2: And again, I say true road game. I know a
• 6:10
  Speaker 2: lot of people like to talk about the ACC championship
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: and that type of deal.
• 6:16
  Speaker 1: That wasn't a true road game. Those venues are neutral
• 6:18
  Speaker 1: site fields. A true road game won to the opponent's field,
• 6:21
  Speaker 1: that's a true road game. So, I saw it in
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: the comments in the past when I mentioned the true
• 6:26
  Speaker 1: road game. They said, well, no, we had a road win.
• 6:29
  Speaker 1: That's not a road win. So, yeah, going back to
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: the Florida game. Yeah, what's the next opportunity we have?
• 6:39
  Speaker 1: We have Central, what, Central Arkansas, Virginia. Well, we got
• 6:44
  Speaker 1: a Friday night at Louisville. You know, our Friday night
• 6:47
  Speaker 1: is going. We know how Louisville has been performing. So,
• 6:49
  Speaker 1: we'll get.
• 6:52
  Speaker 2: We'll get to that when we get to it, but
• 6:53
  Speaker 2: I guess you kind of put two and two together,
• 6:55
  Speaker 2: that streak may continue. I'm going to go ahead and
• 6:57
  Speaker 2: start with the defense and just give some takes on
• 6:59
  Speaker 2: what I saw from the defense standpoint. You got guys
• 7:01
  Speaker 2: going to go defense and offense. Well, offense and defense,
• 7:04
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go defense first because these guys, this
• 7:07
  Speaker 2: unit here needs the most attention for sure, especially after
• 7:10
  Speaker 2: the performance we had last night. So you're going to
• 7:14
  Speaker 2: go ahead and get started with the defense. Defense gave
• 7:17
  Speaker 2: up 50 points to Alabama. This may very well be
• 7:20
  Speaker 2: the worst defense ever. I have seen at FSU, and
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: that's certainly saying a lot with some of the defensive
• 7:26
  Speaker 2: coordinators that we have had in recent years. We had
• 7:28
  Speaker 2: a real good run of defensive coordinators with, of course,
• 7:31
  Speaker 2: legendary Mickey Andrews.
• 7:33
  Speaker 1: Then we go with Mark.
• 7:34
  Speaker 2: Stoops, and then we transition from Mark Stoops to, I
• 7:40
  Speaker 2: forgot my guy's name, Jeremy Pruitt. Then we go from
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: Jeremy Pruitt to, you start to see the drop-off, right?
• 7:46
  Speaker 2: Charles Kelly, Harlan Barnett, and Alan Fuller. Not a great
• 7:51
  Speaker 2: run of DCs in recent years, but again, this, with
• 7:56
  Speaker 2: what I've seen from Tony White, man, he may be
• 7:58
  Speaker 2: the worst of them all, and again, that's saying a lot.
• 8:01
  Speaker 2: While stat, we have allowed 50 points four times during
• 8:04
  Speaker 2: Mike Norvell's tenure. Prior to that, we gave up 50
• 8:08
  Speaker 2: points four times from 1986 to 2019.
• 8:10
  Speaker 1: So Mike Norvell's tenure started in 2020.
• 8:11
  Speaker 2: From 2020 to 2026, we have allowed 50 points four times.
• 8:24
  Speaker 2: From 1986 to 2019, that's what? 20, 33 years? In
• 8:38
  Speaker 2: 33 years, we allowed 50 points four times. Within six,
• 8:42
  Speaker 2: going on seven years, we allowed 50 points four times.
• 8:46
  Speaker 2: That says a lot. Is Mike a part of the
• 8:48
  Speaker 2: issue as well as far as the defense? Because clearly
• 8:51
  Speaker 2: I think it has to be because if you look
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: at Tony White, he was very successful prior to FSU. Nebraska,
• 8:56
  Speaker 2: really good defense. Even prior to Nebraska, Syracuse had a
• 9:00
  Speaker 2: really good defense. We saw those guys in the ACC,
• 9:03
  Speaker 2: a really good defense. The defense work, guys bought in.
• 9:06
  Speaker 2: What's the issue now? I don't really, and it's crazy
• 9:08
  Speaker 2: because even going back to previous coaches and that type
• 9:12
  Speaker 2: of deal, I do know that Adam Fuller, he was
• 9:17
  Speaker 2: good at, Memphis and good at Marshall, if I'm not mistaken.
• 9:20
  Speaker 2: But again, that's G5. But you go back to Harlem Barnett,
• 9:24
  Speaker 2: Michigan State. Michigan State had pretty good defenses. Then you
• 9:26
  Speaker 2: come to Florida State, seems like nothing, like you forgot
• 9:29
  Speaker 2: the coach. And that's pretty much what we see from
• 9:31
  Speaker 2: Tony White, in my opinion. I don't know what the
• 9:34
  Speaker 2: issue could be. But new coaches come to FSU and
• 9:38
  Speaker 2: seem like they never coached football before.
• 9:41
  Speaker 1: Can't be a coincidence. Maybe it's a reflection from the
• 9:43
  Speaker 1: head coach.
• 9:44
  Speaker 2: We gave up 567 yards of total offense to Alabama.
• 9:49
  Speaker 2: Within the last two games combined, SFU and Alabama, we
• 9:52
  Speaker 2: have given a 1,152.
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: Repeat that again. Within the last.
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: Two games, we have given up 1,152 yards within the
• 10:07
  Speaker 2: last two games.
• 10:08
  Speaker 1: Clearly the 3-3-5 isn't working.
• 10:10
  Speaker 2: And things pretty much when Kalen DeBoer figured out what
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: we were doing and how they can expose us, they
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: exposed us. Where they attack, they attack the edge, right,
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: from a running football standpoint. Up the middle wasn't really, well,
• 10:22
  Speaker 2: between the tackles wasn't really working for Bama until we
• 10:25
  Speaker 2: got later in the game when our defensive line was
• 10:27
  Speaker 2: just gashed due to depth. That's another issue we're going
• 10:31
  Speaker 2: to talk about. That's when Bama just did what the
• 10:34
  Speaker 2: hell they wanted to with us at the tail end
• 10:37
  Speaker 2: of the game. You know, FSU scored that touchdown. We're
• 10:39
  Speaker 2: down seven at a certain point in time, and we
• 10:41
  Speaker 2: need the ball back to get the offensive chance. Once
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: we scored that touchdown, I said in my head, there's
• 10:45
  Speaker 2: no way in hell and we kind of put the
• 10:51
  Speaker 2: game in the defense's hands, there's no way in hell
• 10:53
  Speaker 2: we get that ball back with a chance to win.
• 10:55
  Speaker 2: They're not going to stop these guys from scoring. They're
• 10:57
  Speaker 2: not going to get a three out of the center
• 10:59
  Speaker 2: to give our offense enough time. We've seen this multiple
• 11:02
  Speaker 2: times before, even going back to, well, I guess you
• 11:05
  Speaker 2: could say SMU gave the defense, the defense gave the
• 11:08
  Speaker 2: offense a few chances and SMU the interceptions and the
• 11:10
  Speaker 2: turnovers we didn't capitalize on. But it was just a,
• 11:15
  Speaker 2: When one team, one side is clicking the other side,
• 11:17
  Speaker 2: I don't know, man. We can't really get our own way.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: But once I saw the offense score that touchdown and
• 11:22
  Speaker 2: we put the owners back on the defense to get
• 11:24
  Speaker 2: a stop, I knew it wasn't going to happen with
• 11:27
  Speaker 2: how things were panning out for FSU. But again, within
• 11:32
  Speaker 2: the last two games, 1,152 yards, and we're talking about
• 11:35
  Speaker 2: Florida State, right?
• 11:37
  Speaker 1: Florida State.
• 11:37
  Speaker 2: And a lot of this stuff is just, it's not
• 11:40
  Speaker 2: necessarily just really getting out-schemed or a hell of a
• 11:43
  Speaker 2: game plan for the offenses. It's self-inflicted wounds that we
• 11:47
  Speaker 2: do over and over again to ourselves. Alignment, not being
• 11:52
  Speaker 2: set up in that type of deal, like that screen
• 11:56
  Speaker 2: pass to the receiver that went for like 50 or
• 11:58
  Speaker 2: 60 yards for a touchdown. It should have been a
• 11:59
  Speaker 2: holding call on the corner, but again, I'm not going
• 12:02
  Speaker 2: to cry about that. As far as that take for attack,
• 12:05
  Speaker 2: we should have been better aligned to prevent that. Again,
• 12:11
  Speaker 2: I think it was like three by, three by, yeah,
• 12:13
  Speaker 2: trips to the side. And we only had two or
• 12:16
  Speaker 2: so defenders to cover those guys. And we were eight
• 12:19
  Speaker 2: yards off again. So much space in between the offense
• 12:23
  Speaker 2: and the defense. We're outflanked from a numbers standpoint, three
• 12:26
  Speaker 2: to two. And they just simply.
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: Used numbers.
• 12:30
  Speaker 2: Used numbers and those guys made effective blocks to make
• 12:33
  Speaker 2: the play happen. Stuff like that cannot happen from an
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: alignment standpoint, from defense. getting a defensive call, whatever it
• 12:39
  Speaker 2: may be, man. If you look at a steal shot
• 12:41
  Speaker 2: for that play, there's no way in hell we should
• 12:43
  Speaker 2: have been in line like that at all. But again,
• 12:46
  Speaker 2: that 3-3-5 just isn't working. They attacked the edges and
• 12:50
  Speaker 2: pretty much did whatever they wanted to. We don't have
• 12:52
  Speaker 2: any true edge centers at all.
• 12:54
  Speaker 4: None.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: Literally no edge centers.
• 12:56
  Speaker 2: And this is one of my biggest gripes with Tony
• 13:00
  Speaker 2: White in the defense and what we.
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: Kind of saw from him in their philosophies.
• 13:06
  Speaker 2: If you guys remember within this offense, they said they're
• 13:08
  Speaker 2: sacrificing size up front for speed. They feel like the
• 13:12
  Speaker 2: speed up front would make the run defense a lot
• 13:15
  Speaker 2: more effective. That's when I... I never heard that shit
• 13:18
  Speaker 2: before in my life. Sacrificing size for speed up front.
• 13:22
  Speaker 2: First of all, we're Florida State. We're Florida State. We
• 13:27
  Speaker 2: are Florida State. You're not at Syracuse. You're not recruiting
• 13:30
  Speaker 2: guys at Syracuse. Even at Nebraska, you had... from a
• 13:35
  Speaker 2: defensive line and front seven standpoint, those guys look like,
• 13:37
  Speaker 2: look the part. You got some really good defensive line
• 13:40
  Speaker 2: in Nebraska, really good defensive line. A lot of those
• 13:42
  Speaker 2: guys transferred from Nebraska, went elsewhere, made a lot of plays,
• 13:46
  Speaker 2: but you had really good.
• 13:49
  Speaker 1: I don't get it.
• 13:49
  Speaker 2: You had really good, good guys on the defensive line
• 13:52
  Speaker 2: over at those schools. And to say you're sacrificing, sacrificing
• 13:55
  Speaker 2: size to speed up front. We're Florida state. You can
• 13:59
  Speaker 2: get both. Like we're Florida state. We're in a rich
• 14:02
  Speaker 2: challenge state. Your recruiting area is, from Georgia, Alabama, North Florida,
• 14:08
  Speaker 2: Central Florida, South Florida. You shot my guy Grimes. He says,
• 14:11
  Speaker 2: you don't need to leave within a 250 mile radius
• 14:14
  Speaker 2: of Florida state to get the talent you need.
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: And it is correct.
• 14:16
  Speaker 2: So I say that to say this, it's no need
• 14:19
  Speaker 2: to sacrifice size up front for speed. When you're at
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: Florida state, you could get both. And I mean, we've
• 14:24
  Speaker 2: seen both with the defensive quarters. I stated that weren't
• 14:27
  Speaker 2: that good. We've seen both Charles Kelly. He had granted
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: rate recruiting from Jim O'Fisher doing the tail end. Of course,
• 14:34
  Speaker 2: from a defense standpoint, but we had size with Charles
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: Kelly and we had speed.
• 14:39
  Speaker 1: Adam Fuller, Mike's previous defensive coordinator. We had both. Look
• 14:44
  Speaker 1: at our defensive line. Fabian, you'll love it.
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: Brayden Fisk, Jermaine Johnson, Jared Verse, Josh Farmer, Daryl Jackson.
• 14:56
  Speaker 2: We had And then you look on the back end
• 14:58
  Speaker 2: behind that, you know, you had the Caden Deloach's, Taylor McToon's,
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: that type of thing, of course, the secondary. But we
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: had size and speed under Alan Fuller. So why are you,
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: you don't have to do that at Florida State, man.
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: Like there's some certain schools you can do that. But
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: when you're at Florida State, a premier program from a
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: tradition standpoint, especially a defense as well, just overall, but
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: defensive standpoint, you guys know we bring in hella guys, right?
• 15:25
  Speaker 2: From the defensive line, linebacker room, the defensive back room,
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: Florida State, we always have great athletes, physical athletes, and
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: that type of deal. Fast guys, sideline to sideline, whatever
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: it may be. You don't need to sacrifice size for
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: speed at a school like Florida State.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: You can get both.
• 15:39
  Speaker 2: At certain schools, Miami, Florida, Florida State, Georgia, Ohio State, Bama,
• 15:46
  Speaker 2: certain schools, LSUs, you don't have to sacrifice one or
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: the other. You get both because you put out both
• 15:53
  Speaker 2: in the past. You develop both in the past. And
• 15:55
  Speaker 2: you get the best output by recruiting the best damn players.
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: And that's size, speed, all of the above. So once
• 16:01
  Speaker 2: we went that route, it really threw me for a
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: loop in them hearing that. And again, my biggest issue
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: with him and Pop Rose is just the lack of
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: additions as well from a quality guy standpoint on the
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: defensive line. That's what I really thought we was getting
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: once we hired Tony White and then we transitioned from
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: Odell and got a younger defensive line coach who knows
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: what it looks like. If you look at what Nebraska
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: had on the defensive line, It was pretty damn good.
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: Those guys didn't give a shit in the run game.
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: I believe Tony White, they didn't have a 100-yard rusher
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: or something. It was a streak going on there. They
• 16:32
  Speaker 2: held Ohio State, who was the eventual national championship, to
• 16:35
  Speaker 2: less than 300 yards. That's crazy as hell. That's why
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: I'm so baffled. They held Ohio State the national champion
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: that year. Jeremiah Smith, all the receivers they had, running backs,
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: they had two running backs go second round. Just a
• 16:48
  Speaker 2: loaded offense, right? Held those guys to less than 300 yards,
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: but then we have The past two games, we give
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: over 1,000 yards to teams with way less talent. And
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: you would think at Florida State we have more talent
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: than Nebraska, but that's clearly not the case.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: But that's fine.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: You bring in the coaches from Nebraska to supplement that,
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: and we still don't do that as far as emphasizing
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: the defensive line and bringing guys in from a quality
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: depth standpoint on the defensive line.
• 17:18
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: And That's kind of how the game got away a
• 17:23
  Speaker 2: little bit in the second half. It's just we didn't
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: have the guys up front. And you look on the
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: flip end, and if you guys listen to the podcast
• 17:31
  Speaker 2: or the pregame podcast I went on with the Bama
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: 247 reporter, their defensive line was the highlight. And he
• 17:37
  Speaker 2: highlighted the depth they had. They're playing 10 guys. They're rotating.
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: Those guys are fresh. It's recruiting at a high clip
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: in the trenches and reaping the reward of it.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: And that showed.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: It showed for us as well, too, as far as
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: what happens when you don't prioritize the defense line and
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: recruiting that type of deal. Motherfuckers in that fourth quarter,
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: that shit was embarrassing, man. It was like 10 yards
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: apart running the football, 10 yards apart.
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: They just gave up.
• 18:07
  Speaker 2: They were out of gas. It was just pathetic, to
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: be honest with you. But the recruiting differences showed at
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: a certain point within the game. That's why I feel
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: like we should have took advantage of the situation early
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: on when we had that 21-6 lead But that's my
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: biggest issue, and that's all I have to really say
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: about Tony White specifically.
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: I just don't think he's the guy, man.
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: You go from being a guy in Nebraska and Syracuse
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: to putting out really good defenses and being creative and
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: exotic in how you attack offenses, and then you come
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: to Florida State, and it's like, oh, that shit goes
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: out the window, and nothing trans.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: I do want to say this as well, too. I'll
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: get to that once we get to the pass game.
• 18:49
  Speaker 2: But, yeah, going to the 567 they had on total offense,
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: they had 320 through the air and an embarrassing 247
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: on the ground. Like I said, we played great for
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: like the first quarter and a half, and everything just
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: pretty much imploded.
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: If you get 36 points for your offense, like it's.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: No way in hell you should lose a game at
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: Florida State. No way in hell.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: If your offense scores 36 points in a game, let
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: me repeat this again, there is no way in hell
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: you should lose that game at Florida State University. Like,
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: you give Mickey Andrews fucking 36 points a game. Like, shit,
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: you give Mickey Andrews 36 points a game during the
• 19:27
  Speaker 2: last decade, that whole, and that's what Mickey Andrews is
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: on the tail end. You give him 36 points during
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: that time frame, that whole quote-unquote last decade, because we
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: see what that shit really was and where we're in now.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: The quote-unquote last decade, the false last decade, we'll use
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: that terminology. If you give Mickey Andrews 36, damn, if
• 19:49
  Speaker 2: Jeff Brown scores fucking 36 points a game, an old-ass
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: Mickey Andrews, a wash past his time Mickey Andrews, looks
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: like he gives you what you need. So it's just
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: crazy that at a university like Florida State, and you
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: see the frustration from Mike on the sideline in certain situations,
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: him wanting the ball back, but the defense couldn't get
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: off the ball at the same damn time. It falls
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: on you because you're the guy that hired these coaches
• 20:11
  Speaker 2: in the first place. But 27 rushing yards on 14 carries,
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: this is a crazy stat. And it kind of shows
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: what I just said about the depth and that type
• 20:20
  Speaker 2: of deal and how it just wore on us as
• 20:23
  Speaker 2: the game went on. And, again, it falls on the staff.
• 20:27
  Speaker 2: You knew what you had, and they felt like this
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: was enough from a defensive line standpoint. And everyone within
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: the fan base, outside looking in, and that's the part
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: I really don't understand.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: We were on the outside looking in. We're like, no,
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: that shit's not enough. It's not enough.
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: How can you be inside? Like, do you not know
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: what it really looks like? But, again, I can't say
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: that because, again, you're at Nebraska, and the shit looked
• 20:47
  Speaker 2: like you knew what it looked like. But, again, 27
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: rushing yards on 14 carries in the first half. They
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: had 220 rushing yards on 22 attempts in the second half.
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: Boy, that's some losing football. 20.
• 21:04
  Speaker 2: 220 rushing yards on 22 attempts in the second half.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: Let me do some math on that shit real quick.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I want to see that average. Appreciate you, Harden. I
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: was getting my calculator in the super producer, Harden.
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: That's 10 yards of pop in the second half.
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: Running the football.
• 21:28
  Speaker 2: You go from close to 2 yards of pop in
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: the first half to 10 yards of pop in the
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: second half. I mean, the half was like literally... Night
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: and day, man.
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: It's crazy. Tell the two cities. Tell the two cities.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: You go from pretty much two yards of rushing in
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: the first half to 10 yards of rushing in the
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: second half.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: But it goes to that.
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: Depth, man, in how these teams like Obama, Georgia, Ohio State, LSU,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: teams that recruit to that degree, it's a four-quarter game.
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: And that shit wears on you, right?
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: And it's clear as day that in the second half,
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: we had no answers for those guys. On top of
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: Caleb DeBoer, who's a hell of an offensive play caller,
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: figuring out what the fuck Tony White was doing and
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: taking advantage of it. And Tony White not making any
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: adjustments due to that. It's a chess match throughout the game.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: And pretty much that first half, first quarter, first quarter
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: and a half, we had Caleb DeBoer's number. After that,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: it was clear that he caught up and figured out
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: what was going on. And also, that was the worst
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: close of a half or a period of football that.
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: I've seen probably in my life.
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: And again, I guess you could say even from a
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: Mike coach team, and it kind of symbolizes and summarizes
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: everything we've seen from the Mike Norvell tenure, right? It
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: was like a minute and some change, left in the half.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: We're up, really should have been up 21-6 if Jabril
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: Rawls doesn't get caught sleeping. That's another thing I'm going
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: to discuss in a second. But we're up 21-13 in
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: the second, in the second down and six. This is
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: the transition of plays that happened within less than two minutes.
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: This is what happened within that transition. We go three
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: players in the pick, right? They go two players and
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: score a touchdown. We get the ball back. We go
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: three players in the punt. They get the ball back.
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: These motherfuckers go two plays and score. Within that time frame,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: just terrible football, man. If you had a football book
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: and what not to do in a two-minute drill, that
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: shit would be have his own chapter in the book,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: pictures and all, in regards to what not to do
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: to close the second half. And on the flip end,
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: what to do to finish out the second half, you
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: just put in whatever the fuck Kevin DeBoer in the
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: office did, you put that film out and showed that.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: It was just crazy. Terrible football all around, and you
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: have a 21-point swing just like that. So once you
• 23:54
  Speaker 2: have Alabama down 21-6, you could go 21-6 going into
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: the second half if you play sound football. But 21-point swing,
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: just like that in the second quarter, to close the
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: second quarter, rather. Then everything kind of imploded from there.
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: Like I said, they did attack the edge. We have
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: no edge setters. The game went on. You just saw
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: Wake expose us.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: We had one sack on the night. One sack on
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: the night. One sack. We had one sack on the night,
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: and that sack came from a corner. A corner. A corner.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Now, I will give Tony White credit for early in
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the first half, second half, he kind of went away
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: from it. He was exotic in his pressures, right? He
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: was bringing blitzes from the corner, things like that. We
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: were getting home in certain situations where we, like that
• 24:43
  Speaker 2: fourth and two or three, we should have sat Keelan Russell,
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: but he ended up breaking a few tackles and making
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: that play. But I was okay with the pressure he
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: was bringing, but this defensive line, man, we don't have it.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: It's just not it. It's crazy. I've never, we thought
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: last year's pass rush was bad.
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: And we thought it would be addition by subtraction when
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: you lose guys like Williams, the defensive end we got
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: from Nebraska, who did pretty much nothing for FSU.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: It's crazy.
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: You would think it would be addition by subtraction, but
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: we end up getting worse, man. It's zero pass rush
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: at all. It's like me being out there at 36
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: years old trying to rush the pass. I'm just not
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: going to get there, not going to get home. the quarterback,
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: Keenan Russell, had literally all day to throw the football.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: And that's asking a lot from our secondary that can't
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: cover to save their life, right? Can't play man coverage well,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: can't do zone coverage well. It's literally a mix of,
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: it's a perfect mix. It is a perfect mix. You
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: have zero pass rush. You have all day to throw
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: the football. You have a secondary that really isn't that good,
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: doesn't know how to zone match, doesn't know how to
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: play man coverage, doesn't know how, doesn't understand down and distance.
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: Situational football, sticks, that type of deal, you have the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: results that we have.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: So we're talking about attacking the edge, not being able
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: to set the edge at all, zero pass rush, zero sacks.
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: You got to have a conversation, Nick Williams.
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're the loudest coach on the damn staff,
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: even louder than Mike Norvell. You're a big rah-rah guy.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: You need your damn unit to play rah-rah because they're
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: not playing at all. It seems like they're just they're
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: just there. Seems like, to be honest with you, seems
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: like nothing has changed from last year as far as
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Pop Rose coaching the entire unit. We added you to
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: take pressure off of Pop Rose to pretty much coach
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: the entire unit, but it seems like he's still doing
• 26:42
  Speaker 2: that because the edge rushers are ineffective. No effect at all.
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: Just out there to be out there. Unit isn't playing
• 26:53
  Speaker 2: the run well or we're not getting home in the
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: pass rush again. Just lack of depth, like I stated.
• 26:59
  Speaker 5: Overall.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: That one sack is crazy when you're being from a corner.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: And this has been the issue all year. Now, this
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: isn't nothing new. We had a lack of pass rush
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: against New Mexico State. Definitely had a lack of pass
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: rush against SMU. So all the things that we, as
• 27:22
  Speaker 2: a fan base, were complaining about from New Mexico State
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: We were right to complain about it because we knew
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: what was on the schedule, right? We knew the gauntlet
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: that was coming up. And if you perform this way
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: against the Mexico State, now granted, your biggest jump is
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: from game one to game two.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: We know that. But just.
• 27:39
  Speaker 2: That team, defense, whatever, didn't get the benefit of the
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: doubt or should have get the benefit of the doubt
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: due to past situations, 2-12, 2-10, 5-7, past situations, right?
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: And you translate that over to the first game of
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: the year And it's some of the same, and of course,
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: SMU has played, Bama has played, and it's exactly the same,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: just on a higher degree because you're playing better talent.
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: But yeah, man, it's just disappointing, man, as a defensive
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: back guy myself, a fan of Florida State, who I
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: truly believe is DBU, all the great defensive backs we've produced.
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: Over the years.
• 28:25
  Speaker 2: Put into the league, I mean, decades, decades. I'm talking
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: from the 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s, even the 2020s early.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: On with Mike.
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: He had a run with guys playing good damn football
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: from a defensive back standpoint, getting Jack the High going
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: to the league, Jerry and Jones, Zariah Thomas.
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: Forgot my corners.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Renardo Green, San Francisco 49ers, like, Hell, even prior to that,
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: we had, damn, what's our safety from South Carolina that
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: transferred over? It was all ACC. Jamie Robinson. Jamie Robinson.
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: So we've had, even in the 2020s, we've had good
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: defensive back. I'm talking about 80s, 90s, 2000s, 2010s, 2020s.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: It's been consistent with FSU having good defensive back play.
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: And just seeing this as a fan of Florida State,
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: first off, As a defensive back guy, it's just disheartening, man.
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: The kid.
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: Was 23 for 30 in pass attempts, 320 yards, three touchdowns,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: 56 yards rushing on one rushing touchdown as well, so
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: four touchdowns overall. He had that long touchdown run with
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: this quarterback. He was literally untouched. There was nobody within
• 29:45
  Speaker 2: five to ten yards of Russell when he struck out
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: for that long run. It's just simple stuff, man, that's
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: killing us along with the lack of talent. When you
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: have a lack of talent, then when you misalign, outflanked
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: with three versus two, that type of deal, you have
• 30:02
  Speaker 2: the results that you have. I want to speak real
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: quick about a few players to move on to the
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: offensive side. Jabril Rawls, man, I don't... Jabril Rawls, I
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: don't know. Lack of discipline, focus, taking plays off. It's crazy.
• 30:17
  Speaker 2: As a defensive back and as a guy that want
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: to be a high draft pick, you got to go
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: in down, in and down, out and play consistently good football.
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: You have to lock in. You can't.
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: Take plays off, mental plays off, and just be lax
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: out there. That's exactly what happened. The same thing that
• 30:34
  Speaker 2: pretty much happened against SMU, happened to him against Bama,
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: one-on-one coverage. He's just been lackadaisical in his technique, going
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: through the damn motion. I'm assuming he didn't really think
• 30:45
  Speaker 2: the ball, I don't know if he think the receiver
• 30:47
  Speaker 2: was running the true route, the ball was coming his
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: way or whatever, but it was just terrible output this
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: time in the third, and then we give up the touchdown.
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: You can't give up that touchdown, man. It wasn't a
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: bad play called by by T.
• 30:59
  Speaker 3: White.
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: It's just man for man, make a damn play. And
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: this is supposed to be our best defensive back, right?
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: This is a guy that we fought for to come
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: back via the portal, enter the transfer portal. We fought
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: for him to come back, paid him a decent amount
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: of money. Was supposed to be the guy this year
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: for FSU. A highly rated defensive back, a high draft pick.
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: This is supposed to be the guy that's supposed to
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: carry the DBU mantra going into this year. But he's
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: been a huge disappointment, man. I don't know what, I'm
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: not sure what it is. Is it the hype coming
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: in from last year to this year? just another thing too.
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's the not necessarily addition, but the subtraction, so
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: to speak, with the firing of Patrick Sertan.
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: Could this be an issue?
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: These defensive backs look completely different from what they did
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: last year under Pat and Tony White to how they
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: look now under Blue Adams, the current cornerback coach.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: Could that be the issue?
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: I know for a fact Pat Sertan understood situational football, right?
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: He understood what route combinations you'd be getting on certain downers,
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: third and five, third and six. He understood sticks. He
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: understood playing the sticks. Situational football, Pat Sertan understood. Man coverage,
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: just that third, Pat Sertan understood. So I don't know.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: Maybe that's something to keep an eye on because our
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: defensive backs last year looked nothing like how they looked
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: this year. You know, we did give up a lot
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: of plays. through the pass game last year as well, too.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: But this year, last year was more so just guys
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: wasn't running completely wide open last year. A lot of
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: this misplay. So, like, for instance, we look at the
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: explosive plays Miami had against us last year with Malachi, Tony,
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: and I think it was another receiver, can't forget. But
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: the coverage wasn't bad. We just misplays on the coverage. We,
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: in that type of deal, didn't make the tackle. It
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: wasn't situational where it's, third and five, and we're nine
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: yards off from back-pelling and just letting Tony get the
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: first down wide open and that.
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: Type of deal.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: It wasn't that situation. So, I don't know, maybe that's
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: something to keep an eye on as well. The firing
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: of Pat Sertain and the hiring of Lou Adams, I
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: don't know, but Jabir Rawls looks like a completely different
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: player under this defensive back coach versus the previous defensive
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: back coach. He looked like a guy that could be
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: a high draft pick and carry on that DBU mantra. Now,
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: with the inconsistencies that we've been showing in the The
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: wild part about it, he shows flashes right there.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: He can do it.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: The sack that he had on the quarterback. He shows flashes.
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: We just have to be consistent. If you want to
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: be a high draft pick, you want to be this, that,
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: and third as far as NFL, man. Consistency is key.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Making plays over and over consistently, that's going to get
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: you drafted. Not a few splash plays and then you
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: get killed on the remaining games.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: Consistently.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: Showing good tape consistently. That's something we haven't done. That's
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: something we haven't done at all, specifically.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: Jabril Rawls, man.
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: He just wasn't good. Darryl and Mandrell. Are you guys
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: going to show up? You guys had one tackle apiece.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I forget which one it was, but I think it
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: was Mandrell after he was doing, you know, and one
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: mixtape stuff against SMU and that went viral.
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: That play went viral.
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: I think he went on social media, Instagram post a
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: note or something, stay on that side or whatever. Like, bro,
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: stay on that side. And you forget you was the
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: guy that entered the transfer portal and threatened to transfer
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: over bread, right? Let's call a spade a spade. I'm
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: not saying you're right or wrong for that. You had
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: a good freshman year just that and third, but you
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: went into the transfer portal, won a new bread, FSU
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: gave you the new money. You got to produce, man.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: This ain't.
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: The days where you're just getting room and damn bored. Nah, bro,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: you can't pay big damn money. Your salary is bigger
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: than 90% of the FSU fan base. Probably 95% of
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: the FSU fan base, you're making more money than. You're
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: not playing great. Be accountable and take accountability for it.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: You lashing out the fans because they're telling the truth.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: And then you go out of Bama and do the
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: same damn thing. So again, we got to get some
• 35:25
  Speaker 2: return on the investment. You guys got to lock in.
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: And so far, we haven't gotten a return on the
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: investment at all. Don't want to be all negative on defense.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: Chris Jones.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: You a dog, boy.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: You one of the ones.
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: You fit in.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: You look like one of them guys that could have
• 35:41
  Speaker 2: played within any era of FSU in the past. That
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: was respectable that Played how FSU should be played. You
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: look like one of those guys.
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: Respect, man. He was all over the field. Dog. Love
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: what you bring to the table. Great portal addition.
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: I said all season, I feel like he was probably
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: the most important portal addition. I think he's kind of
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: shown that with our issues at linebacker in the past.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: And again, shout out to Ernie Sims as well, too.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Got to give him another shout out. One of the
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: best coaches on staff. I really feel like that room
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: has done a complete 180. From a play standpoint, energy standpoint,
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: attitude standpoint from last year to this year, going from
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: John Patuas to Ernie Sims, being 90 days.
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: So, shout out to Ernie.
• 36:24
  Speaker 4: C.J.
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: Richards, the safety, the FCS transfer, I think it's from
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: Illinois State. He played pretty good ball as well, too.
• 36:31
  Speaker 2: This is my last thing I'm going to do as
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: far as the defense, wrapping it up. If you give
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: up 50 points at Florida State, your ass should walk on.
• 36:40
  Speaker 1: Simple as that. If Florida State is giving 50.
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: Points in a game, that game, after that game, you
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: should figure out your own way home. Catch a bus
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: from Tuscaloosa to Tallahassee. Think about what the fuck happened there.
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Whatever it may be, man. If you give a 50
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: at Florida State, man, you should be walking home. You
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: should be finding your own way home. And we'll leave
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: it at that, man. This defense has been underwhelming to
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: say the least. You would think going from year one
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: to year two in the defensive coordinator system, It'll be
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: more familiarity.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: That type of deal looks better on field, but it's
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: a little worse.
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: Let's transition to the offense. Make sure you guys hit
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: that like and subscribe button if you haven't already. We're
• 37:27
  Speaker 2: getting that pretty decent. We've got like 572 in here,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: 574 in here. That's viewing live. Appreciate you guys for
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: the support.
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: I know it's cool. combination of X and YouTube.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: If you are on X, if I have 574 people
• 37:40
  Speaker 2: viewing here, I should have 574 likes, right? So if
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: you are on the Twitter portion of things, transition over
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: to the YouTube portion, hang out in the comment section
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: with us a little bit and we will go from there.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: Show some love, hit some likes. I'm going to hit
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: the like button and again, subscribe to the channel if
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: you haven't already. I'm moving on to the offense. I
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: was actually shocked with their performance. I was really shocked
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: with their performance. We had 471 total yards of offense.
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: We were 8 for 15 on third downs. If you
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: told me that Mike Norville and Ashton Daniels in this
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: offense would score 36 points, I would say, okay, we
• 38:17
  Speaker 2: got a really good chance of winning this game. I
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: think pregame, if you listen to the video, I had
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: Bama winning I think 38-17. I think I had Bama
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: winning 38-17 or something along those lines. Again, if you
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: scored 36 points, if you told me At that point
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: in time, we scored 36 points. Okay, we could play
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: some damn ball and we have a really good chance
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: of winning this game, right? And the defense just let
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: him down. But Martin Revell, man, he was actually– he
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: was in his bag, man. It was some of the
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: best play calling I've seen from Mike since the 2022 year.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: He really– he had a really– I think he had
• 38:53
  Speaker 2: a good showing from an offensive standpoint, from a play
• 38:56
  Speaker 2: calling standpoint. You can tell he really wanted this one
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: bad and put a solid game plan to attack them offensively.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: I guess with everything negative that's going around the program,
• 39:06
  Speaker 2: I might say this could be a statement game for
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: him to keep his job or whatever. You can tell
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: he put in the work this week, so to speak,
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: for the game plan. Bama defense, they have been very
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: good thus far within the season. I know it was
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: only two games early on, but that's been.
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: One of the strengths is their defense.
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: Right?
• 39:25
  Speaker 2: And we pretty much exposed certain things. They had a
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: pretty good day offensively. Yeah, Alabama pretty much dominated Kentucky
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: from a defensive standpoint and did whatever they wanted to.
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: So I really like what I saw from that. And
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: we did all that with indecisive quarterback play.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: That's the thing.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: Like, we really could have had a fucking field day
• 39:47
  Speaker 2: on offense, like, We really could have had an all-time
• 39:50
  Speaker 2: day on offense. We did that with indecisive quarterback play.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: Ashton Daniels left so much on the field. He left
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: so much on the field, so much on the field.
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: Ashton really could have had an all-time FSU quarterback performance
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: if he just had confidence and processed things a lot
• 40:06
  Speaker 2: faster than what he did. He really could have had
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: an all-time FSU performance. He could have had 400-plus yards passing.
• 40:14
  Speaker 2: four touchdowns, a few less interceptions, and he could have
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: had a lot more down rushing yards as well too.
• 40:19
  Speaker 2: Ashton really could have– he could have had a historic day,
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: so to speak, from an FSU standpoint. Could have got
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: a win against Alabama and could have put up some
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: really big-time numbers if he just trusted himself and had
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: confidence and processed things so fast. I forgot who's– it
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: was on Twitter. I forgot who posted it, but I
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: think Ashton Daniels– It's one of the worst. It's like
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: over three seconds in processing to get the ball out
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: when deciding what play.
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: He's going to make.
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: It's like three seconds. I forgot who posted my shot
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: to you guys. That was a really good observation. So
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: you combine that with a not so good offensive line
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: that's not really good in pass blocking situations, and that's
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: a recipe for disaster.
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: We came out tossing it early, too, and had early success.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: It was clear that Bama was pretty much daring us
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: to– Daring us to throw and trying to stop the run.
• 41:15
  Speaker 2: And the receivers made them pay. It's what we've been
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: saying all year, right? We have the weapons at receiver.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: SMU with so many players left on the field. New
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: Mexico State, it was definitely a lot of players left
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: on the field from a receiver standpoint.
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: Unfortunately, we really could have ate them up all night
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: passing the ball.
• 41:31
  Speaker 2: There's a few throws that Daniels didn't make through late, etc.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: I don't know, it's just, was it the early interception
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: that kind of messed up his confidence? Through that one
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: pick earlier, the Bucs, it was a big play, too.
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: That play, the Bucs, could have been a touchdown for
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: Ashton Daniels if it had got a little bit higher. Now,
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: it was tip that line of scrimmage, but if you
• 41:50
  Speaker 2: get a little bit higher in that type of deal,
• 41:53
  Speaker 2: the Bucs is probably still running. But, yeah, that's my
• 41:58
  Speaker 2: biggest takeaway from Ashton Daniels, man. It's just, and I
• 42:01
  Speaker 2: tweeted this as well, too, from yesterday. I just want
• 42:05
  Speaker 2: to read the tweet. It kind of sums up a
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: lot from his running standpoint because I keep, I don't
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: get it because we've seen Ashton Daniels run the damn football. Stanford, Auburn,
• 42:15
  Speaker 2: seeing him run the football and be effective. We know
• 42:18
  Speaker 2: he's an athlete, but I just don't get it. This
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: is my tweet. Ashton, if you want to run the ball,
• 42:26
  Speaker 2: if you're going to run, actually try to run it.
• 42:30
  Speaker 2: If you're going to run the football, actually try to
• 42:32
  Speaker 2: run it. He gets to a situation where he's like double-dutch.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: He's waiting to jump in and out. He doesn't know
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: what Go.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Go. And he showed it.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: Like, the last touchdown he scored on that run when
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: he got to the edge and made the athlete to
• 42:48
  Speaker 2: play to stay in bounds and score the touchdown. Like,
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: that's all I'm asking for. That's literally all I'm asking
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: you to do. Take advantage of the legs.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: Run.
• 42:59
  Speaker 2: It's too many situations where it was like, I forget
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: what play. It was like second and two, third and
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: two or something. We didn't even know converting because he
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: didn't take advantage of running. Got to the sideline, and
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: once it was time to pass the line of scrimmage
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: and it was time to commit to the run, he
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: braces himself for contact.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Like, you're 225, 230. Like, I don't get it.
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: Run.
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: You could have gotten the first down. Lower your head
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: a little bit.
• 43:21
  Speaker 2: Be more physical. The quarterback sneak he got was like
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: fourth and one. That shit was like pulling teeth. It
• 43:28
  Speaker 2: was tough to watch. So, I don't get it. We've
• 43:30
  Speaker 2: seen him do it before. He did it for that
• 43:32
  Speaker 2: last touchdown. Just have more confidence in yourself and make
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: the play. Your processing speed is way too slow when
• 43:40
  Speaker 2: it comes to these. And Mike Novell doesn't have a,
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: like his offensive game plan isn't predicated like post-offense where
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: you're going two, three different reads and that type of deal.
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: A lot of stuff is pretty much one read and
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: go or two reads and go and you hit your guy.
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: And it's there for you, but you got to trust
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: what you see and make the play. By the time
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: he actually decides to run, it's too late, and he
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: snails to the point instead of choosing to actually go,
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: which is just baffling to me. I'm not saying he's
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: Mike Vick, but again, he's definitely athletic enough to make
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: those plays because we've seen it before. Saw it last
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: night in that touchdown scramble he had. And that's been
• 44:24
  Speaker 2: there all season as well, too. Shout out to James Coleman, 36.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: He tweeted something similar to this. I say Ashton Danch
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: probably hate condoms. He has a lot of kids because
• 44:33
  Speaker 2: he refuses to pull out. And that's true.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: Keep them honest.
• 44:37
  Speaker 2: It's plenty damn times where the edge rusher, because what
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: we've seen on film, right?
• 44:43
  Speaker 1: Crashing down on Cromwell, crashing down.
• 44:46
  Speaker 2: It's so many reads where he could easily pull and
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: kept them honest and got positive yardage. You do that,
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: you pull a couple fucking times and get five to
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: six yards each because that's the minimum he could have got.
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: I guarantee those defensive ends are start playing that a
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: little bit different, a little bit more slower and letting
• 45:03
  Speaker 2: things develop. And that's, you can actually give it to
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: the damn running back. He can make, make things shake
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: and go from there. Like I said, I like what
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: I saw from the receiver. Deuce had a really dominant game,
• 45:15
  Speaker 2: kind of showed up and bounced back from the early issues.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: And I only think it was early issues on his part.
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: You're just getting the fucking opportunities to get the damn ball, right?
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: The only issue I had with Deuce was that fourth
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: and two slant route. It was just bad out of
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: my opinion. You've got to be more aggressive for that
• 45:31
  Speaker 2: possession to get to your spot. You're 6'6, 230, 240.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Use your body. Be physical. You've got to want it
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: more to get to that spot. It wasn't a bad.
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: Throw by Ashton Daniels at that point in time. It
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: was more so a timing thing and then– more so
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: a timing thing and the Dukes just let it receive
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: or let the defensive back pretty much run around for
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: him and beat him to that spot. You've got to
• 45:56
  Speaker 2: be more aggressive to get there. But really good job
• 45:59
  Speaker 2: from the receivers. Like what I saw from Deuce, like
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I said, offensive line really just isn't it. It's not
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: that good. They weren't atrocious last night. It was a
• 46:08
  Speaker 2: combination of the quarterback play as well. But we don't
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: really create push in the running game. Pass protection was okay,
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: not great. I think the pass protection was a combination
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: of them playing bad in certain situations and the quarterback
• 46:22
  Speaker 2: just holding the ball too long in certain situations. But, um,
• 46:27
  Speaker 2: Just can't create push like that long run, that long
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: run for like 27, 30 yards that Cromart had. We
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: bounced it outside. It was literally nothing inside. There was
• 46:36
  Speaker 2: no push up front from the offensive line. It was
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: just Cromart doing what he does and being a good
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: running back and creating something out of nothing. That's pretty
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: much been the answer with our running backs, right? That's
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: pretty much been the answer with our running backs. Singleton
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: and Cromart, this, that, and third, those guys being athletes
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: and making something out of nothing. Last take, I want
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: to talk about it from an offensive standpoint. It goes
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: back to recruiting GM and allocation money and that type
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: of deal. I know Sam Singleton got hurt on that
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: long play, rolled up his English at the third. I
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: hope it's not too serious. Hopefully, he is able to
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: bounce back. Trey Wisner, the money we spent on Trey Wisner,
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: the reported money that we spent on Trey Wisner to
• 47:22
  Speaker 2: be running back three and to get Limited down reps.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: He got one carry in the game.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: Only came in the game at that point in time
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: because Sam did get hurt. The money we paid could
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: have went to a lot more places, man. We could
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: have been a lot more smarter with that money. Running
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: back wasn't a big need, especially when you're recruiting a
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: guy like Cromar, right? You recruit him, a national recruit,
• 47:44
  Speaker 2: went into his true sophomore year. You flip him from Georgia.
• 47:47
  Speaker 2: You pay him a lot of money. You want to
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: give him the ball, right? He's going to be your
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: bell cow type of back. He's going to be the
• 47:52
  Speaker 2: guy that you lean on heavily.
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: You pay.
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Essentially running back one money to Trey Wiseman when he
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: ends up being running back three.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: And that money could have been allocated to different spots,
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: like I stated.
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: But at the same time, I say that, but would
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: we have taken advantage of it and actually.
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: Utilized it correctly? Probably not.
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: We talk about quarterback and the money we spend for
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: quarterback and the guys who could have had that quarterback
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: if we paid a little bit more money. We could
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: have got more help on the offense line, defense line,
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: that type of deal with that money. So I'm not
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: going to say from a running back perspective, You pay
• 48:26
  Speaker 2: a hefty penny for a guy, you pay running back
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: one money rather for a guy who even coming in,
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: nobody really thought would be running back one. We thought
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: he'd be within the rotation as far as one and two.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: And then Sam pretty much said, nah, we'll put down
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: the back burner. Had an excellent spring, excellent fall camp
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: with Trey being out due to injuries and pretty much
• 48:46
  Speaker 2: became running back two. So I really think that was
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: an issue as far as paying him that type of money.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: We could have been smarter in allegating those funds because
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: you're paying a hefty.
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: Penny running back and i'm not gonna say running back
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: one money it's like.
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: Running back one money plus a little bit extra and
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: we're in a situation that we're in now um as
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: far as that not getting any reps at all pretty
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: much and just coming in due to injury that's all
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: i have from offensive standpoint again i really have too
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: much to say from offense i like what i saw
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: um and it could have been a lot better if
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: the quarterback just trusted what he was doing in a
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: certain situation, just let that shit rip and let it go.
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Let it go.
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: But it was a step in the right direction, especially
• 49:28
  Speaker 2: getting the ball to our receivers. But 36 points, if
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: you're going to Tuscaloosa, Alabama, score 36 points, As a
• 49:37
  Speaker 2: Florida State Seminole, I expect you to win due to
• 49:40
  Speaker 2: your defense not being so bad.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: But that just wasn't the case.
• 49:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go to my last take before we
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: open the lines up for calls and that type of deal. Again,
• 49:52
  Speaker 2: make sure you guys hit that like and subscribe button.
• 49:55
  Speaker 2: We've got close to 700 people in here. It should
• 49:57
  Speaker 2: have close to 700 likes. Again, if you're viewing on X,
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: mention it over to the YouTube portion. Show a little
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: bit of love. Again, I want to give one.
• 50:04
  Speaker 1: More shout out to our sponsor. ClickSpin.
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: Tap in with ClickSpin, man. ClickSpin.com. Email it as far
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: as the website. Email address hello at ClickSpin.com. MasterCard built
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: for any type of business. Spences, traveling, lodging, entertainment, shipping,
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: you name it. ClickSpin has you covered.
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: Tap in. Shout out to my guy, Chris. FSU alum,
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: owner of the company. Tap in with ClickSpin.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: All right, let's get into my last little take before
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: we open the phone calls up. And that's, I guess
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: you guys have been hearing the national news, so to speak,
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: this week with Jimbo Fisher, right? So I kind of
• 50:46
  Speaker 2: want to give you guys what I know on the situation.
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: And I don't want to give out too much as
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: far as what I do know. I also don't want
• 50:53
  Speaker 2: to come off as a know-it-all or anything like that.
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: But I will say, without saying too much, the national
• 51:00
  Speaker 2: media is very slow on this. this news as far
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: as Jimbo has been going around from my perspective, what
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I've gathered and my sources and people I talk to,
• 51:10
  Speaker 2: this has been going around for like a week and
• 51:11
  Speaker 2: a half as far as the noise around Jimbo. Of course,
• 51:16
  Speaker 2: it's already been reported, but can absolutely say wants the job.
• 51:19
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of big boosters in high places that
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: want him to return as well too, right? And there's
• 51:25
  Speaker 2: some boosters that don't want him to return, some fans
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: that don't want him to return due to How things
• 51:30
  Speaker 2: ended at Florida State, of course, naturally, it was a
• 51:32
  Speaker 2: bad breakup.
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: And, of course, how.
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: Things ended at Texas A & M with all the
• 51:37
  Speaker 2: funds and resources that he did have, it didn't work
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: out at Texas A & M. But some things I've
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: been able to confirm in regards to the situation, the
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: money would definitely be out. The money would definitely be out.
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: If Jimbo is the guy, a lot of boosters are
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: ready to come back and open up the checkbooks to
• 51:57
  Speaker 2: give him whatever he needs.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: He will be willing to take less money. Will be
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: willing to take less money.
• 52:02
  Speaker 2: I mean, we all know the $ 70 million deal he
• 52:06
  Speaker 2: got from Texas A & M, fully guaranteed, so he's
• 52:09
  Speaker 2: still getting paid that money. He'll take $ 5 to $ 7
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: million from FSU. He's still getting $ 12 to $ 13 million
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: overall if you include the buyout from Texas A & M.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: He will have a big budget for staff. He will
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: have a very big budget for staff. That's something he's
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: That's something he's making an emphasis on as far as
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: having the big money for staff.
• 52:34
  Speaker 1: I want to give out.
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: Some heavy-hitter names that's being floated around as far as
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: coordinators that could come on with Jimbo Fisher. And again, these,
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: I don't want to put on some all-world insider this, that,
• 52:51
  Speaker 2: and third, man. But certain sources I do have, that's
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: pretty much good money on certain things. And this is
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: definitely good money. You know, the main question Florida State
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: fans have, OC, play calling, that type of deal. Will
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: he still be over play calling or will he be
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: the CEO and running the entire program type of deal?
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: He will take a step back from play calling. That's
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: why this officer coordinator that could possibly come on to
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: him is a big part of the contingent as far
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: as a plan to get him on. Some big names,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: like I said, that's Manfred Reiner's coordinator. Can verify through
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: multiple sources as well too that he is already starting
• 53:32
  Speaker 2: to reach out to high schools and that type of
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: deal in recruiting fertile areas for FSU. Just checking the temperature,
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: getting those relationships back rolling. South Florida, Georgia, spoke with
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: South Florida coaches, spoken with some Georgia coaches, some coaches
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: within the Central Florida area as well that can confirm that, hey,
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: he's been reaching out, trying to get the lay of
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: the land a little bit, continue those relationships, that type
• 53:59
  Speaker 2: of deal. So that being said, Jim O'Fishery is 100%
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: a real option for FSU. Has been a real option. Well,
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: it's always been a real option, but the smoker-browned it
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: has gotten a lot thicker within the last week and
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: a half or so. The national media is pretty much
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: slowing this. We're reporting this the last few days and
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: kind of getting that out. Well, folks, that's actually, I
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: guess you could say, close within the program, close to
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: the program, have kind of known that this has been
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: something that.
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: Is a real....
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: Serious what's the word I want to use a real
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: it's legs to it let's put it that way it's
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: real smoke to it it's an absolute chance that it
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: possibly can happen both sides have been talking both sides
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: aren't interested let's leave it at that as far as
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: how people feel about Jimbo coming back in that type
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: of deal and what he can bring to the table
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: good and.
• 54:59
  Speaker 1: Bad 60 years old, which isn't old.
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: I know people feel like they want to have the,
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: you hire your next coach, you want him to be
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: there for the next 10 to 15 to 20 years.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: You don't need that with Jimbo.
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: He could be here three or four or five years,
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: set the stage, rebuild the program for the next guy.
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: You could have a head coach and waiting situation as well, too.
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: That's something that's been floating around, kind of similar to
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: what Jimbo had under Bobby Bowden.
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: High-profile coordinator, defense, offense, come in and beat you. give
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: them a healthy payday, and they come in and be
• 55:33
  Speaker 1: a possible.
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: Bridge gap in a few years once the program is
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: back on, proper footing, proper resources, proper recruiting from a
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: talent standpoint and all that type of deal. You know
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: what he brings to the table as far as recruiting.
• 55:47
  Speaker 2: I mean, we know that. You know he's going to
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: be a hell of a recruiter. He's going to get
• 55:51
  Speaker 2: into these living rooms. He's going to get players. He's
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: going to get players in certain areas the FSU needs
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: to get players in. Great relationship in South Florida. Great
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: relationship in South Florida. something that Mike Norvell, even though
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: we've recruited South Florida, he's never really.
• 56:07
  Speaker 1: Coming in. He never had those relationships to begin with.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: He didn't really build on.
• 56:11
  Speaker 2: It by hiring multiple guys that's familiar within the area
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: and guys that are aggressive within the area. Jimbo is
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: a guy that's already familiar with the area, aggressive, knows
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: how that goes.
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: South Florida coaches trust Jimbo. They trust him.
• 56:25
  Speaker 2: They'll send their guys to Jimbo easily due to past
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: relationships and how you treat the players. Go back to
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: all the Florida State guys from South Florida that went
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: big time or that produced big time for Florida State
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: from a Jimbo Fisher standpoint, Dalvin Cook, Devontae Friedman.
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: LaMarcus Joyner.
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Names go on and on and on as far as
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: players from the area that we recruited and became big
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: time players for and even going to Texas A & M.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: He went down there and recruited guys, and those guys
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: are going to be first-round draft picks as well. So
• 57:02
  Speaker 2: you bring that to the table. Coaching standpoint, just from
• 57:06
  Speaker 2: an organizational standpoint, it's a lot better. What I do question,
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: what I do, I will have a question if we do,
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: if Jimbo Fisher is the guy. The main question I
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: will have is probably my main question would probably be,
• 57:28
  Speaker 2: how things are handled from a, I don't want to
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: say discipline, a program structural standpoint. Because at a certain point,
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: you guys know that culture, so to speak, it left
• 57:43
  Speaker 2: during the tail end of his FSU days. It left
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: him tail end of his FSU days. Can you get
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: that mojo back and then build that proper culture that
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: you had with Marcus Joyner, Selva Smith, Timmy Jernigan, Jameis Wilson, this, that,
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: and the third? When you get that back going, he
• 57:59
  Speaker 2: should be fine. But again, I do think he's motivated
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: for sure. He's sat back and had time to realize
• 58:06
  Speaker 2: mistakes he's made at Florida State and mistakes he's made
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: at Texas A & M to kind of be better
• 58:10
  Speaker 2: for it. And this is pretty much all he asked
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: for as far as Florida State from a resource standpoint.
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: He's been asking for this stuff.
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: The stuff we're currently getting now, Jimbo asked for this
• 58:19
  Speaker 2: shit 10 plus.
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: Years ago, and we're just now getting it.
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: Better late than never, but that's why I feel like
• 58:25
  Speaker 2: from a We're trying to reorganize everything from the top
• 58:28
  Speaker 2: bottom to be a competent running organization. And that's exactly
• 58:33
  Speaker 2: what he wants. He can step in and be a
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: similar transition to ACC. Now, I do think he can
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: win eight to nine games, compete for the ACC championship
• 58:40
  Speaker 2: for sure. You got Clemson on the downfall. I think
• 58:42
  Speaker 2: they're definitely done. They did come back and win against
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: North Carolina. Shout out to Dabo and those guys for fighting.
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: But Clemson, I feel like, is on the downfall. Miami is,
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: of course, up. SMU is a good player within the
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: ACC Conference, Louisville, et cetera. It's not world leaders that FSU,
• 58:57
  Speaker 2: without a competent leadership at the top and proper backing,
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: can't compensate for and be effective with. So again, that's
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: my spiel on Jimbo Fisher. It's absolutely true as far
• 59:09
  Speaker 2: as the smoke that you've been hearing. The national media
• 59:12
  Speaker 2: is kind of late to the party. This thing has
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: been trickling for a while now, starting to reach out
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: to figure out things, reaching out to coaches in different
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: areas as far as from a recruiting standpoint. So it'll
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: be interesting to see how things play out over the
• 59:26
  Speaker 2: next few weeks as far as from an FSU standpoint, wins, losses.
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: We'll see how things go. We'll see how things go.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: That's pretty much all I have on that general official spirit.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Wanted to address that because it has been national news,
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: national headlines.
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: Can confirm that the smoke is real and the smoke
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: has been going on for a while. This is nothing new.
• 59:46
  Speaker 1: The wheels on the bus are really just on a
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: turn now.
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: So we'll see a lot more coming in the coming
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: days as far as this is what we get from it. Again,
• 59:55
  Speaker 2: make sure you guys hit that like and subscribe button.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: You want to open the phone lines up. for callers
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 2: to go ahead and take us home and end the show.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: We got close to 800 people in here viewing from
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: Twitter and Next, 791. Make sure you guys hit that
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: like button and subscribe. We should have like 791 likes
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: over here. So guys, please show a little bit of
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: love if you're viewing on the Twitter side of things.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: Come on over to the YouTube side. We do have
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 2: the call-in portion, so let's tap in.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: But yeah, that Jimbo Fisher's smoke is absolutely real.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: I'm looking at it reading the comments. I want to
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: speak about this coach as well. Who said Manny Diaz
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: can't recruit? Let's talk about Manny Diaz for a second.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: You guys got to let go of that Miami shit.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 2: Please let go of that Miami shit. Let it go.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: What he did at Miami, what? Five, six years ago,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 2: Manny was a first-time head coach. Let's talk about the
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: facts as far as Manny Diaz. I want to speak
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: about this and then let you guys build in. If
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 2: you guys do want to join the call-in portion of
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: the show, if not, we'll end the show after this field.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: But I do want to say this. Let's talk about
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 1: Manny real quick. Manny Diaz was a first-time head coach
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: at the University of Miami. That's a fact.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: First-time head coach. Manny was initially supposed to take the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: Temple head coaching job, which he should have did.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: G5.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: Get your training wheels under you. Learn how to run
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 2: a program. Mark Ritt ended up retiring abruptly, right? So
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: he ended up being the Miami head coach. He's the
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 2: Miami head coach for three years. Let me put this
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: up right now. He's the Miami head coach for three.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 1: Years, right?
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 2: Miami Hurricanes did not back Manny at all. The Miami
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: Hurricanes did not back Manny at all from a recruiting standpoint,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: from a financial standpoint. Once Mario Cristobal is hired, the
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: floodgates open for Miami from a money standpoint.
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 1: All right, cool. So you're fired from a job. How
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: do you respond from being fired from a job?
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 2: There's value in failure if you learn from your failures, right?
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 2: So Manny goes to Penn State, becomes a defensive coordinator.
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 2: He was at Miami for three years. He went six
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: and seven his first year. 8-3 his third year, his
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 2: second year, and 7-5 his last year. He was fired
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 2: after the Florida State game. So he was 21-15 at Miami.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 2: He goes to Penn State, becomes a defensive coordinator under Franklin,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: who was a really good head coach in my opinion.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 2: You learn from Franklin, right, as a defensive coordinator. You
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 2: recruit elite at Penn State. He was recruiting good at Miami, too.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 2: I'm going to go through his recruiting classes at Miami
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 2: just to name a few guys.
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: But, um.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: Matter of fact, I'm going to pull up his recruiting
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: classes right now.
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: So you go to wherever the fuck I just said.
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: You go to Penn State and be a defensive coordinator, right?
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: Put out great defenses at Penn State. Great defenses. You
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: go to Duke and you become the head coach. You
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: go to Duke and you become the head coach, right?
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: You go to Duke and become the head coach.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: Your first.
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: Sorry, my apologies. You go to Duke, you end up
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 1: being the head coach, right? Your first year at Duke,
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: and this is Duke.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: You bring in Murphy, the quarterback Murphy from Texas. You
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: go out and bring in a big-time quarter quarterback from Texas, right?
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: You go bring in Murphy. You go 9-4... You go
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: 9-4 your first year at Duke.
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 1: Duke. You're 9-4 at fucking Duke. You go 9-4 your
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: first year at Duke.
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: Okay.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: Murphy really wasn't good at Duke. He wasn't great at Duke.
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: That defense kind of carried him. So what you do?
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: Your second year, you go in the portal again. And
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: you go get what? Mensa.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: Probably one of the best quarterback portals in one of
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 2: the best quarterbacks in the portal at that point in time.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 2: You go do that, right? You win nine games again
• 1:04:23
  Speaker 2: with this quarterback. And you win the ACC. Bro, you
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 2: win the ACC at Duke. You win the ACC at Duke.
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: You win the ACC at Duke.
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: Duke.
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: Elko, a good coach at Texas A & M, he
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 2: never won the ACC at Duke. Riley Leonard, he never
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: did that. You win nine games back-to-back at Duke.
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: Your quarterback on the last day, your quarterback and your
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: best receivers, Your quarterback and your best receiver on the
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: last fucking day that the transfer portal is open. The
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 2: very last day. The very last day the transfer portal
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 2: is open. Your quarterback goes to Miami. Your best receiver
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: follows him.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 1: What do you do? Okay, cool.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: You don't have time to really evaluate and bring in
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: another quarterback within the portal. So you kind of scramble
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 2: last minute, bring in a quarterback. And what do you do?
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: You're 3-0. You're 3-0.
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: You're 3-0 the start of the year at Duke. We're
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 2: talking about a guy that's 21-9 at Duke in three
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 2: years with an ACC championship. I seen him come and
• 1:05:36
  Speaker 2: talk about spending. They're spending less money at Duke than
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 2: they are at Florida State. From an NIL standpoint, way
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: less money at Duke than you're spending at Florida State.
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: And you're getting a way better product at Duke.
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 3: Duke!
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Than you are at Florida State.
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: So, again, bro, stop talking about this whole Manny Diaz
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: situation as far as how it played out at Miami. Like,
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: I understand we're rivals in that type of deal, and
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 2: it's not going to be the quote-unquote sexy Harry because
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: we're going to be trolled by hurricanes or whatever. Man,
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 2: who gives a fuck about that bullshit, man? Like, this
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: dude can coach, bro. And, again, it's value in failure
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 2: when you learn from your failures, right? He clearly learned
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 2: from his failures at Miami as a first-time head coach. So,
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 2: someone spoke about recruiting.
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 1: He can't recruit. I just gave you examples of the
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: motherfucker recruiting that Duke.
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. Makai Jones, our starting safety. He's a true sophomore.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: Guess where he came from?
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 3: Duke.
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: Guess who recruited him?
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: Manny.
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: Played a hell of a good ball for Duke last
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: year as a true freshman.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: But just some of the names that Manny has recruited.
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 2: Leonard Taylor, five-star from Miami. Leonard Taylor, five-star from Miami.
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: James Williams, another five-star safety from Miami that was pretty
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: much going to Georgia at that point in time. Manny
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: Diaz got him to commit to the Miami Hurricanes. And again,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: this is before the big-time NIL packages that, you know,
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 2: these guys were getting at that point in time.
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: Forgive me, guys.
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: I'm doing this show on the fly. It's going through 247,
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: that type of deal. Jeff Thomas was a receiver there
• 1:07:37
  Speaker 2: that played pretty good football. Mike Carley, a receiver there
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: that played pretty good football.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 1: Four-star, four-star.
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: A bunch of four-stars. What's the linebacker that FSU was?
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 2: Wesley Basaint. He was the guy that many recruited him
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: for the most part and got him to commit. He
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 2: was an FSU and Miami battle for Wesley Basaint. He
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: pretty much recruited Wesley Bustain all the way up until
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 2: Mario came in and got him that position.
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 1: But, again, also, we used to make fun of this shit, too.
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 2: Manny was one of the first motherfuckers to take advantage
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 2: of the portal.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: He was the first motherfucker to take advantage of the portal.
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: The first. De'Aaron King. Remember De'Aaron King? He almost got
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: Jalen Hurst as well to come to Miami, too. So, again.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: All this talk about Manny. He was a.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 2: First-year head coach, bro. A first-year head coach. I'm not
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 2: holding nobody against him as far as being a first-year
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: head coach. You go 21-15 in Miami with lack of resources.
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: Lack of resources. He wasn't perfect at Miami. I'm not
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: saying that. He wasn't perfect at all. 21-15, lack of resources.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: You hire fucking Mario Cristobal, not all the money is
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: open at Miami. Not all the money is open at Miami.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: But again, he was a young head coach who should
• 1:08:49
  Speaker 2: have never been the Miami Hurricanes head coach in the
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: first place. pretty much got that job due to the
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: situation that played out with Mark Rick retiring early.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: Initially he was supposed to take the Temple job and
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 1: go from there.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: So again, you're 21-9 at Duke in three years. You
• 1:09:10
  Speaker 2: have three different starting quarterbacks in three years. Three different
• 1:09:13
  Speaker 2: starting quarterbacks. He showed in those years he could be
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 2: effective in getting guys out of the transfer portal for less. Again, bro,
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: I get it. I get it because we're rivals with Miami.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: You guys saw that firsthand, how it played out with
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 2: him going 21-15 in Miami. First head coaching job again,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: but again, it's value and failure when you learn from
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 2: those mistakes.
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: Goes to Penn State.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 2: He's under James Franklin, a really good head coach, mind
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: paying for a few years, put out really good defenses,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: go to Duke. Fucking talk about Duke, bro. You go
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 2: to Duke and you win nine games, two years in
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 2: a row, currently three years in a row, ACC championship.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: And Miami took your quarterback, the fucking last minute of
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: the transfer portal. And what you do, you pivot from
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: that and you still play winning football. So again, I'm
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: a fan of Manny, what he's done. I'm not, I'm
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 2: not a, a Florida State fan that just look at
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: rivalry shit and that type of deal, I'm looking at
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 2: it a lot deeper. So I don't think Manny would
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: be a bad hire at all, man. Like, I don't
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: understand that. Like, we're not looking at the facts. All right,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: that's my whole Manny Diaz field. I'm sorry I kind
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: of went out on a little tangent on that. But
• 1:10:20
  Speaker 2: all the beef with Manny, bro, like this isn't 2018,
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 2: his first coaching job. This isn't that. This guy has
• 1:10:28
  Speaker 2: grown a lot since then. All right, let's open up
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 2: the phone calls. Who we got first?
• 1:10:31
  Speaker 1: We got Coy. Coy, what's good, bro?
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 3: What's going on, bro?
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: Chillin', chillin', talk to me. What you got? You there? Hey,
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: you hear me? Yeah, I hear you.
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 3: You hear me?
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 3: All right, all right.
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we lost you again. You're kind of
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: going in and out, bro.
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 6: Yeah, 2 and 10 at Florida State.
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: It's a ridiculous name.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 3: Everybody talk about the 3-3-5. I don't see Tony. He
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 3: don't be running it on base down, like on run down.
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 6: He switch up front.
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 3: I've seen him run a 4-2-5. I've seen him run
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 3: a 4-3.
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 6: I mean, it's just the personnel. You running that 3-3-5,
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 6: you need a big zero tech. And, you know what
• 1:11:22
  Speaker 6: I mean, you need linebacker play, man. And, you know,
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 6: and that's kind of like for smaller school that can't
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 6: really get great big body defensive tackles. you know, for
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 6: us to run that. I feel we should run more
• 1:11:34
  Speaker 6: of an even front. But it's just like, man, I
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 6: don't know, man. You give up 50 points.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: I mean, I.
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 6: Don't know what to say, man. It just needs to
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 6: be done, man. It needs to be done.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 3: It's over with. You know?
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: It's over with. No, I'm with you, man. I'm with you.
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 4: Like I said.
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 3: Me personally, I....
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 6: I would like to go back to Jimbo Mead personally
• 1:12:00
  Speaker 6: because he done been done it.
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 4: He know what it look like.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 6: As far as the recruiting, South Georgia, South Florida, getting
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 6: them boys from down south, even some Central Florida. I mean,
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 6: we need a staple here in Florida. Mike can't recruit, man.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 6: Mike can't recruit. Mike is a good X and O's
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 6: guy as far as maybe offense when he be in
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 6: his bag, but he got to be motivated to.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: Be in his bag. And right now he look like And,
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 3: you know, he look like he know it's over.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 6: And it's the same rhetoric over and over again, same
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 6: coach talk. But it should have been over, man. Ain't
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 6: no way you go 2-10 at Florida State and keep
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 6: a job.
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on, man.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 6: You know, what's your outlook on it like.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: That, you know?
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Well, I think he's definitely, I think the right is
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 1: definitely on the wall.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the right is definitely on the wall.
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: As far as going 2-10, I do think in a
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: Perfect situation. He would have absolutely been fired, but you've
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: got to realize, too, that's literally the following year after
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: that huge-ass contract we gave him. So it was pretty
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: much impossible at that point in time. Five and seven,
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: especially after Stanford, you've got to make that call, in
• 1:13:13
  Speaker 2: my opinion, to move on.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: And, of course, you have the results you have now.
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 2: It's going to be interesting to see how these next
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 2: few games play out because I feel like if we
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: play to how we played yesterday, especially from an offensive standpoint,
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 2: I think we could probably go 500 within this ACC stretch, right?
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 2: I think we beat Central Arkansas. I think we could
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: possibly beat Virginia. I think we could do that. I
• 1:13:34
  Speaker 2: think we lose to Louisville, lose to Miami, and I
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: think we beat Clemson. So at that point in time,
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 2: you're going to be 500, right? We're one and two, three.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: You really think we could beat Clemson? Oh, yeah, I do.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 3: I do.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: Now, Clemson did look a lot– I didn't watch– Clemson
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 2: looked like trash, but– They do.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: They do. Bro, they look trash. Let's keep it real.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: I understand we look a certain way, but them boys
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 1: look really bad.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 2: I will say I didn't watch that fourth quarter for
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 2: Clemson due to the rain when our game started, so
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 2: I didn't see their comeback. But I do think the
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 2: best case scenario is us going 500 in that stretch.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: That's the best case scenario. I can see us.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: Going fucking 0-4 doing that stretch as well, 2-0 or
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 2: 1-3 doing that stretch, just depending on how these guys play.
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: Like you said, we tend to get up for certain
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 2: games against Alabama, whatever, whatever, and then we'll play.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 3: Right, right.
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 1: Now, go ahead. What you got, bro?
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: Right. It's too inconsistent, man.
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the thing. Too inconsistent.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 2: So certain games we'll get up for and play, right?
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: Then there's certain ACC games like that Friday night in Louisville.
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 2: I can see us getting. Yeah, Corey, you're kind of
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: going in and out, bro. We might have to transition, man.
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 2: It's kind of tough hearing you.
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: My bad, bro. Appreciate you, man. Sorry about that. It
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 1: was always a good conversation, but it was kind of
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 1: tough getting you in and out. Ronald, what you got?
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 4: You on, bro? Can you hear me? Yes, sir.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 1: I hear you pretty good.
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 4: Okay, yeah.
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 3: Man, first of all, I'm so glad my cousin had
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: a wedding yesterday. And it started at 4. And I'm
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 3: sitting there with the earbuds in. They were eating vows,
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 3: you know, the after party. And we had after the reception.
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 3: So I sneak away. I'm trying to watch the game.
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 3: And it was an open bar, man. And I needed every.
• 1:15:31
  Speaker 4: Bit of it. I'm still recovering. After a week, listen.
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 3: I was like, I'm so glad it's an open bar.
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 3: Because I got a couple of cuts for the state
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 3: fans up here in Greenville. We just sitting around. At first.
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 3: And it's crazy. I have over 30 years of watching
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 3: Florida State football.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 4: I've never had the feeling.
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: I said, if we win this game, is that really
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 3: the best thing for the program? And it was so
• 1:15:58
  Speaker 3: conflicting watching because I'm like, if we win this game,
• 1:16:02
  Speaker 3: they'll let this fool ride to December.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 4: And possibly.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 3: But I'm glad that you did the Jimbo information. The
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 3: fan base is real split on this. It's either you
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 3: love it or you hate it. The ones that don't
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 3: hate it are the same ones I feel like they
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 3: want to say, well, Mike's a good guy. Because you
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 3: telling me a guy that recruited Eddie Goldman, Timmy Jernigan,
• 1:16:31
  Speaker 3: Mario Edwards, we talking about D-line, you talking about D-line earlier. Shit,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 3: we had Chris Cash, well, he wasn't on it, but
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 3: Chris Cash or, oh, yeah, Burns. We had dogs, man.
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 3: Mike ain't getting them kind of players.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 2: You had Nottie, Jacoby McDaniel. That's what I will say, man.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 1: Jimbo.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 3: Every dog. My boy E-Dog up here in Spartanburg.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: E-Dog.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 2: You're from South Carolina. Got my dog from Barnes. But again,
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 2: that's one thing I will say about Jimbo. Even that
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 2: Texas A & M. That motherfucker, when it came to
• 1:17:07
  Speaker 2: the trenches, bro, he made sure he put emphasis on
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: recruiting the defensive line for sure.
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 3: Brian Stark, Bobby Hart. lineman you right brother and it's
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 3: like that's what we need that's what the fan base
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 3: need we need a recruiter you look at the talent
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 3: level we should never play alabama and be like those
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 3: boys are better than us at every position lined up
• 1:17:37
  Speaker 3: it's for the state man it's like A lot.
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 4: Of people forgot what it means to be a Florida
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 4: State fan.
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 2: I don't even think they were. I think we had
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: better running backs. I do think Proel is a really
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 2: good guy.
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 1: I recruited him. I think we had better running backs.
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 1: I liked our receivers a little better. That's pretty much close,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 1: but the rest of that shit, you're right.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 2: They beat the fuck out of us when it comes
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: to both trenches, quarterback, linebacker play, D-line. I agree with that.
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 2: Even secondary. Their secondary was a lot better as well, too.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 2: But I think running back and maybe receiver is a conversation.
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 1: But go ahead, bro.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 3: I agree with that. And to the money. I look,
• 1:18:12
  Speaker 3: you ain't even throw the number out there.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 4: I'm going to throw it out there.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: Why is he getting paid 700 grand, bro?
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 1: You say who?
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: The running back, Wisner. The report I saw, he getting 700K.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 3: Ashton Daniels getting 800K. He getting about as much as Daniels.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: You mean to tell me you couldn't have took that
• 1:18:31
  Speaker 3: 700 and add that to that 800?
• 1:18:33
  Speaker 4: You got 1.5.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 3: You can come up with another five, a little $ 2
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 3: million for a quarterback. We probably win the game.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 2: To be honest with you, bro, we could have, it's
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 2: crazy to say this from backhand information I know, we
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 2: could have got, we had three quarterbacks visit, right?
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 1: I think it was.
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 2: The Castellano kid from– I.
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 1: Forget what he was.
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 3: The guy from Coastal.
• 1:18:58
  Speaker 4: I want to say.
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: There was another kid we had visit.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: UNLV.
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, UNLV under Dan Butler. We had him visit. We
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: had DJ Lagren visit and Ashton Daniels visit. Out of
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: three quarters that– out of three that visited, I know
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: on good authority that 1.5, 1.2 to 1.5 would have
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 2: gotten a quarterback, would have gotten one of those quarterbacks.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 1: And that's on the low end when you compare it
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: to the market.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: Mensah getting whatever he's getting at Miami, Levin's getting whatever
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: he's getting at LSU. We would have absolutely still had
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: a bargain, which would be absolutely upgrades between Lagway and
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: the UNLV quarterback. We could have gotten those guys for
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: around that number. And then, like I said, we could
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: have gotten another 500 or so to throw at some
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 2: offensive linemen, defensive linemen, just at a third.
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: So that $ 600, 000, $ 700, 000 could have definitely been used in
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: other places.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 3: That's poor management. And then Mike want to get up
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 3: there and tell you, I know what it looks like.
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: What the fuck you don't?
• 1:19:53
  Speaker 3: Excuse my language. Know what it look like? Dude, you
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 3: came from Memphis. You ain't coach no big-time football. You
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 3: got lucky in the portal when.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 4: People wasn't using it, and we had dogs.
• 1:20:04
  Speaker 3: But guess what? In 2026, Merce ain't coming to Florida.
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: State in the same circumstances.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 3: Fitz, Jerry and Jones, those guys, they not coming to
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 3: Florida State in 2026. Why? Because Mike is terrible.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: Why?
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 3: Tony White, I would never want to come. I don't
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 3: know if Mike get fired today. He probably won't because
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 3: they're going to kick the can down the road. They're
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 3: going to say it was a close game. But Tony White, absolutely.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: He needs to be clearing his office out. I said
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 4: it last week when I called this show.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 3: Florida State football.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: It's D-B-U.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 3: We should have corners that can man you up, and
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 3: we're going to bring pressure. And we should all have
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 3: some dogs on the line. That's what it takes football.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 1: It's real simple.
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 4: It's real simple.
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: All that soft zone. You do that when you don't
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 3: have the athletes to man up with somebody across the field.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: And so you compromise, and you out-scheme.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 3: Right in Florida, you should have dogs. You shouldn't have
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 3: to go out here and try to, man, line up,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 3: man him up, shut him down.
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: Y'all get to the quarterback.
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 3: It's real simple, bro. Y'all don't even run that down
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 3: on a video game, bro. We don't have the personnel.
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 3: For one, you got to have a Daryl Jackson at
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 3: the zero technique. Like the previous caller said, you got
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 3: to have somebody that can hold two, three blocks consistently.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 3: And then I guess Kevin Wynn was supposed to be
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 3: that guy. Mind you, I was at the Witt, and
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 3: did he even play yesterday?
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Kevin Witt played. He was actually pretty effective in
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: doing his job. It was just other shit around him
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: that didn't play now, but the snaps I saw of
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: Kevin Witt, he pretty much he did what he wanted
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: to against the center and got good pushback.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 3: Okay. Well, I know he young, but Mike ain't even
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 3: going to be here to see that one.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, my bad.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 2: I do think we need to give him more shit
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 2: to get more reps, but I did like what I
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: saw from Kevin Witt and the limited stuff I did
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 2: see as far as him being effective in pushing the,
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: being effective in pushing the center back.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 3: And if Jimbo really is a two for one, I
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 3: want to throw that too. Cause we talking about restructuring
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 3: the athletic department and you need somebody. We don't, man, listen,
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 3: if you're going to give Jimbo an OC, that's going
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 3: to call plays and he can recruit and focus on that.
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 3: He can be a real CEO and oversee the whole
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: operation in the day-to-day. You can let Jimbo oversee the money, who.
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 4: He needs to come in.
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: He can be the acting GM slash head coach like
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: Cignetti is. Cignetti handled all that at Indiana. Because you
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 3: know why? What GM is you going to bring in
• 1:22:56
  Speaker 3: that knows what it looks like more than Jimbo Fishman?
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 3: and people want to bring up his Texas A &
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 3: M record. He was, what, 48-25 or 45-25, I want
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 3: to say. Go back, and two of those years, his
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 3: starting quarterback got hurt, one, including Haynes King. If you
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 3: go back and look at his record when he had
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 3: the QBs, it ain't that bad.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 4: It's Jimbo Fisher.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 3: Jimbo Fisher would never fill the 2-10 team.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: I think one of those years, he actually fell down
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: to his third-string quarterback if I'm not mistaken. And I
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: do think some of that shit is a little bit
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: of karma, how things fit out of Florida State. But, like,
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 2: I get right. Like, if Jimbo F. A & M wasn't, like,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: some huge who's fair, he won games.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 1: Don't get it wrong.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 2: But the last three or four years, because I think
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: when the Orange Bowl that one year, then after that,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: that's when he had a bunch of those QB issues
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 2: and those fans just kind of got tired of the situation.
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: But if you will, say.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 2: Me another– and someone put this out on Twitter, I
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 2: think my guy Joe did, name me another A &
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: M coach that's been successful.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 3: Yeah, Kevin Sumlin's probably the best one. I don't think
• 1:24:06
  Speaker 3: he's done another job since.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: Some of the records at the end of their tenure,
• 1:24:12
  Speaker 2: but then you got Elko, who's probably doing the best
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: at this point in time, but again, he's got blasted
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: by Kentucky, lost in the first round last year against Miami,
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: while having home field advantage.
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 1: So, I mean, we talk about it all the time,
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 1: Texas A & M and A have all the bag.
• 1:24:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they got all the bag and all the money out,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: but They've always had it in Texas A & M
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 2: has a fucking war and shit. I mean, it's just
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: tough to win there for whatever reason.
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah, man, it's levels, man.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 3: It levels everything. And Florida State is supposed to be
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 3: on that top tier level.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: That's the Florida State. We ain't on that level right now.
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 3: But I believe if not a coach you can hire,
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 3: they can get us back to that level faster than
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 3: Jimbo Fisher. And I think a lot of people when
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 3: they feel us, they sound like hurt exes and all that.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 3: Ask yourself today, the ones that don't want it. If
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 3: I come offer you $ 80 million to leave your job,
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 3: $ 70 million, whatever, are you going to be like, nah,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: I'm going to just stay? And you already got complaints
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 3: about your current job, and they're going to come triple
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 3: your salary. Everybody in this chat is leaving.
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: I don't care what you say.
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 1: They're absolutely leaving. It's guaranteed.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: And also, man, it's more so, I don't blame Jimbo
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 2: for leaving. I blame him for how he left. But
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: you're absolutely right. Nobody's turning that shit down. And then
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 2: you got to fact that Texas A & M did
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: all the shit they did for his son's medical condition
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: as well, too. Money aside, anything Ethan needed, Texas A
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: & M provided. I'm talking about private jet flights to
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: appointments in Boston, Massachusetts, this, that, and third. Anything he
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: needed from a medical standpoint, Texas A & M gave him.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 2: Nobody's turned that down at all. Again, that contract he
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 2: had Texas A & M was way early on those
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: big winning contracts. Way early on that as far as
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: the 10 years, $ 70 million. Nobody's turned that shit down
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: at all.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 1: Nobody.
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: You get Jimbo autonomy over the program. You oversee the day-to-day. GM, CEO,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: and you let him rock.
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: You let him go recruit. Nobody's going to outwork Jimbo.
• 1:26:19
  Speaker 3: It's not a coach you're going to hire that's going
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 3: to outwork Jimbo Fisher. on the recruiting trail that's going
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: to go get you, Dalvin Cook, Jameis Winston. Hell, he
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 3: had Haynes. I thought Haynes King should have.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 4: Won the Heisman last year, me personally.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 3: But, hell, his last quarterback was Haynes King, who's in
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 3: the NFL, too. A guy that knows QBs, and he
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 3: knows the deal from the trenches. He knows how it looks.
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 3: Mike just claimed he know how it looks. Mike don't
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 3: know how it looks. He got lucky and got fifth
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 3: conversion a few guys, like I said. But outside of that,
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 3: just look, what players, homegrown players besides Azari Thomas and Farmer,
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: has he got to the league? Who has he developed?
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: Who has he grown?
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 4: Nobody. He don't know what it look like. He don't
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 4: know what he's doing.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 3: It's a dub. But I don't understand how Tony White
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: can go out there and coach tomorrow.
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 4: He should be fired today.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: At least fire him. and give somebody else a chance
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 3: to coordinate it. Then you got Central Arkansas, which essentially give.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 4: You two weeks before Virginia to work on the defense.
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 4: But that 3-3-5 scrapped it.
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: Didn't those, did a new snap, that new snap, they had,
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: was it two-year contracts, if I'm not mistaken?
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: I was thinking about that yesterday. And I want to
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 3: say some of those guys took one-year contracts. I really
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 3: want to say I don't think everybody took two-year contracts.
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 3: But I could be wrong.
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think they did take two of those contracts
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 2: to be up in December, November. So I get people
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: saying fire Tony White or whatever, but at the same
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: damn time, just let it ride out because it's going
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: to be a– nobody said Haynes King won Heisman, so
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: he should have won Heisman.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: Looking at the chat. Nah, I lost my damn train
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: of thought. What were we just talking about?
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 3: My bad, bro.
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 4: Two-year contract.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I think those guys being down
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: in December, there's no– I know.
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: People want– fire tony white like right now i don't
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: think there's a need to do that as of right
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: now just let it play out i do think at
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: a certain point in time with the season playing out
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 2: the results are going to be results and we're going
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: to get that breaking news.
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: At at some point in time during the season so.
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: It'll all be it'll all be done collectively in my
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 2: opinion together so no need to do in the fight
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: of a defensive coordinator when a month or.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 1: So, two months, whatever it may be.
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: I'm going to say a month probably, depending on how
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: that four-game stretch looks.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 1: You could be looking at a new head coach as well.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: Demote him and give somebody else a chance. Just say
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 3: you didn't charge the linebackers for the rest of the
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 3: season or something. Don't even coordinate defense. You got a demotion, bro.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: You keep the salary until we all get fired, but
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 3: you ain't coordinating nothing.
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 4: No, I can't.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 3: I'm a head coach. I can't send Tony White out
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 3: there to coordinate my defense because the defense ain't coordinated.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 3: What's coordinated about our defense? Your defense is coordinated, but
• 1:29:18
  Speaker 3: through three games, the defense ain't coordinated. So, obviously, you're
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 3: failing at your job. Obviously, you don't need to be
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: doing it. And I don't– it's not for the state football.
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: I ain't going to hold up to it. I still
• 1:29:31
  Speaker 3: got to hang over. So I ain't even going to
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 3: hold up the line too much.
• 1:29:34
  Speaker 4: I'm going to let you go to somebody else.
• 1:29:36
  Speaker 3: But I did say– last thing I say, I said
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 3: last two weeks, Virginia was going to be D-Day.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 4: It looked like that further and further.
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: Virginia is going to be the day that we find
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: out if Mark Novell is going to be employed.
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 4: I think he should be fired today. I know why
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 4: they ain't going to.
• 1:29:55
  Speaker 3: Do it probably because they got an excuse now because.
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 4: The game was close.
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 3: But, hey, that Virginia game, you go out there, you
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 3: go to– the booze is going to be loud already
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: anyway probably depending on next– well, they probably.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 4: I don't know.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: That's one thing to talk about. Who's coming to Central Arkansas?
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 3: Who wants to see that next week? Because that might
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 3: be very telling game next week. Let them get off
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: to a slow start.
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 4: Let's see what happens.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: Let's see what happens.
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: It's going to be a pet house in Doak Camel
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: Stadium only because it's Parents Weekend. That's the only reason
• 1:30:26
  Speaker 2: it's going to be a pet house sold out in
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 2: Doak Camel Stadium.
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, but it could. I don't foresee that happening
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: at all, but you never know, man.
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: Within these micro-avail teams, you never know what fucking team
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: you're going to get. So I could very well see
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: those guys come out and start to go against Central Arkansas.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: I could see a.
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: Built-ass situation where it's like 70-0 or 70-10 or 3
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 2: or whatever, something along those lines.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 3: Why not start Marshall that game and see what you got?
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: And if you're going to win, if he.
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 4: Struggles, just put Ashton back in.
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: I just don't see the definition of insanity.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: Just to see it, once you make that move, you
• 1:31:05
  Speaker 2: got to commit to it, in my opinion. And also,
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: just with the money we're paying Daniels, I don't want
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 2: to see it happen unless he just falls flat on
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 2: his face. But once you make that move, as far
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 2: as Marshall, you got to commit to it.
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: You can't.
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, it's a bad thing to kind of
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: go back and forth and flip-flop and have a two-quarterback situation.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: Once you make the move, you got to commit to it.
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: That's fine, too, because, hell, Mike, you should know you
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 3: ain't making it to the end of the season anyway.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: At least let me see if I got– hey, look
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: at Trinidad Chambliss. They didn't give him a chance until
• 1:31:38
  Speaker 3: Austin Simmons got hurt last year. And you see what
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 3: that boy's doing.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: He about to win the Heisman.
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 3: See what you got, man. He was on the second
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 3: string at Ole Miss. If Ole Simmons had not got hurt,
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 3: he might not even play last season. Like, and just
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 3: see what you got, man. I lost words, man. 50 balls.
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 3: And it's like I'm at the wedding. Every time I
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 3: look down and check, I see Alabama scored again. What
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: the hell is going on? So I sat down and watched.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 3: They doing what they want. The second half, when I
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 3: could really sit down, like you said, they gassed. They
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 3: did what they wanted. And I knew we was tired
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 3: by then. So it is what it is. And folks
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 3: criticized Ashland Barker in the offseason. What did he say?
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 3: We need D linemen.
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 4: You need them.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 3: Everything he said on that live that he got criticized
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 3: for was true. It's coming to fruition. Why wouldn't you
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 3: want to go out there and win?
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 4: He was talking winning ball.
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 3: We don't got no D linemen. He definitely want time.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 3: I don't see why the fan base got mad. See,
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 3: he was speaking the truth. That's why we got to
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 3: get to the second half. No doubt. After your first
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 3: little stream go out, and they ain't all that. It's
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: over with.
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 4: That's it. Just winning football.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 3: Folks need to get out of their field and stop
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 3: being mad. When people speak out and speak the truth,
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 3: this fan base got a terrible problem with it. You
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 3: need to support the team.
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 4: You need to do this.
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 3: Man, listen. You either know ball or you don't. If
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 3: you know ball, you know some of this is just
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 3: not good ball and needs to be replaced. It's alright
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 3: if you want to support the team. I'll always be
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 3: a no, but Common sense over insanity, man. If you
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 3: see it's wrong, it's okay to call it out. These
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 3: ain't babies. They make more money than us. Like you said,
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 3: they get paid very well. So when you're getting paid,
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 3: you can open yourself up to criticism. Mandrell, Darryl, Desire,
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 3: they held us up for all this money. Raw held
• 1:33:46
  Speaker 3: us up for all this money. They look the three
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 3: worst on the defense. Damn near. And you held us
• 1:33:53
  Speaker 3: up for all this money. So why can't we say nothing?
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 3: Ain't the fans paying y'all salaries? Okay, we can talk.
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 3: In the real world, when politicians mess up, you paying
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 3: their salaries to the police so you feel like you
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 3: can speak on it.
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 4: We paying these folks salaries so we can speak on it.
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 3: They ain't playing up the party.
• 1:34:11
  Speaker 4: That's all I want to say.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 3: Virginia, get your ass blown out. It's probably your last day.
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 3: All I want to say, go Nose. Let you ride
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 3: on on a Sunday.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 4: Have a good one, bro.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: Appreciate you, bro. Good stuff. All right, we'll transition over
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: to Sean. Sean, you there?
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, fam.
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 1: Talk to me. How you feeling?
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 5: Man, we seen them tears, dog.
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 7: Them niggas, Mike Neville, Tony White, man, we all see
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 7: this shit, fam. It's like shit just bogus, and it's
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 7: like the first. To be honest, it feels up to me.
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 7: Soon as Norvell got off the plane and landed Tuscaloosa,
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 7: I would have fired that nigga. I don't give a damn.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 7: We could have won by 50. He long overdue to
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 7: be gone. T. White, I mean, the shit, the first
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 7: all the way up till the damn two-minute weather delay,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 7: shit was working. But, like, fam, it ain't no excuse
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 7: for why the hell your defense done lit up 1,200
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 7: yards in the past two games.
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 5: That shit just fucking ridiculous.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 3: And then.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 7: Like y'all was just talking about with Ashland and talking
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 7: about the D-line.
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we ain't got no depth.
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 7: Like, to be honest, the difference between a good and
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 7: a great team, it's easy to start off well. But, like,
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 7: on the back end, the third quarter, the best teams
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 7: come alive then, which we didn't. You could tell with Ty,
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 7: like you said, the depth of the D-line. We ain't
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 7: have it. Niggas was fried. Like, it wasn't shit. We
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 7: could do that second half now. Granted, it was a
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 7: few plays to where... Them PIs. No, not PIs.
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 5: It was holding. Happened in the rest phase on critical plays.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 7: Niggas ain't want to call it. And that shit, you
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 7: just charge to the game. But another thing, too, I
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 7: got to say, like, fans, how they just on Ashton
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 7: Daniels' ass. I mean, he gave us 36 points.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 1: Anything should be. I agree, bro.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 3: Like, he was.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: Daniels wasn't completely bad. It was stuff where we wanted
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: him to do a lot better for sure. But again,
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: like you said, the offense gave us 36 points, bro.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 3: Simple as that.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 4: Right.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 3: And it's like.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 7: You asking for him to play a perfect game. Tell
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 7: me what, national championship team wins, letting teams get 500
• 1:36:17
  Speaker 7: total yards throughout a game and 50 points.
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 5: You not going to win no championship. I don't care
• 1:36:22
  Speaker 5: who your quarterback is.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: I don't have any.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: I got a few complaints, but I'm not putting any
• 1:36:26
  Speaker 2: blame on the offense.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: You give me 36 on the road, I expect to
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: fucking win.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 7: And to be honest, the first interception he threw, a
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 7: dude tipped it.
• 1:36:35
  Speaker 5: That's just something. At the end of the day, you're
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: playing football. It's good on good.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 7: That's the game. Foe made a play where he tipped it.
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 7: Because you can be like, all right, was he going
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 7: to put touch on it? He answered that with the
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 7: touchdown to Landon Thomas where he floated it over Riles
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 7: and the other nigga head. Like, he was bound to
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 7: do that. So I'm not really against Ashton. Like, man,
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 7: you sometimes tap a nigga on that good play. Let's
• 1:36:58
  Speaker 7: play football. And you know the defense showed up head
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 7: on the three. That's what football all about. But, man,
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 7: when it come down to, Him, he played. It's just
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 7: this damn defense. Like, that shit just fucking ridiculous.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 5: We cannot.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 7: I saw a statistic that said when we had a
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 7: three-man or four-man rush, this nigga went 13 for 13,
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 7: 200-something yards. That shit is ridiculous. A three- or a
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 7: four-man rush, this nigga went perfect. That's fucking insanity. And
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 7: so it's like, dog, in the trenches, like, second half,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 7: they bound to get tired.
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 3: Like, man.
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 7: At the end of the day, I'm going to call
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 7: it for what it is. Like, we just got hit
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 7: with smash mouth football the second half.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 5: And they ain't going to lie.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 7: We know what this pass defense is. When a team
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 7: runs on us, are we fucked?
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 3: Shit over. We fried.
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: We running in on this around.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 7: Like, we fried because we already know. I always liked
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 7: our team when it came to run defense, in which
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 7: we showed that. But, man, that shit. And I told
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 7: my partner that. Like, man, all this shit, when it
• 1:37:59
  Speaker 7: comes down to a great team, who comes alive in
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 7: the third?
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: You really see that.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 7: Who them dogs who dig deep on the back end?
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 7: It's like you hit another gear. And so that's what
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 7: I got as far as that. And then fucking, man,
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 7: that shit wasn't a weather delay. That shit was a
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 7: terrorist threat from Mike Norvell. That nigga yelled out a
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 7: la Akbar in that building because that was the worst
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 7: two minutes of coaching I seen in my damn life.
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 7: I ain't never seen. How the hell do you let
• 1:38:29
  Speaker 7: niggas score? Two touchdowns and two... That game flipped in
• 1:38:34
  Speaker 7: a matter of two minutes.
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: And it wasn't even two minutes, but it scored two
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 2: touchdowns in a minute and 20 seconds or some shit
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 2: like that.
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 5: That is absurd. Yeah. That's absurd. How the hell do
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 5: you let that happen?
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 1: 14-point swing in, like, a minute and 15 seconds.
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 7: And, like, when they scored the first time, it should
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 7: have been, okay, let's just run this out. But this
• 1:38:55
  Speaker 7: nigga's just trying to steal, make passes. Ashton Daniels just
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 7: chewing the sack.
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 5: It's like, well, damn.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 7: The only bonehead interception I think Ashton had during that
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 7: two-minute span was when he threw it to balls upfield.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 7: And dude tipped it. That's the only bonehead play that
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 7: I really would get on Ashton Daniels' ass about throughout
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 7: that game. Now, it might have been more, I mean,
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 7: you don't catch everything live, but It's just shit like that, dog,
• 1:39:20
  Speaker 7: with this team.
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 5: Norvell really what pissed me off about this motherfucker. If
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: he would have called, I don't know if you noticed
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: the play against New Mexico State.
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 7: It was one of our best plays where Ashton will run,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 7: and then he'll pull somebody and toss it over to Cromer.
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 7: We didn't run that none against SMU, but it was
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 7: our best play against New Mexico State. This nigga Norvell,
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 7: if he would have brought out three or four more
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 7: plays from this game and put it in SMU, we'd
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 7: win that easy.
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: And once again, it never fails, and it showed this game.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 7: If you throw it to Deuce on a go or
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 7: a deep route, chances are it's.
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: Not going to be a turnover.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 7: Either Deuce going to come down with it, or you
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 7: might get a P.I., either or.
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 5: But Deuce is a deep threat.
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 7: Literally, that slant route, man, it wasn't shit.
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 5: He could do that one. I think that was fourth down. Man,
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 5: that nigga played that shit to a T. The corner
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 5: did it. So, it's like, man, what the hell can
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 5: you do about that? But Norvell, man, that motherfucker got
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 5: to go. Because, like, that's the.
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 7: Ashton Daniels, I knew the first couple games. Like, people
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 7: wanted his head gone. But it's like, hell, Norvell ain't
• 1:40:25
  Speaker 7: putting him in position to fucking win. Like, these route concepts,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: et cetera, is bullshit. And all of a sudden, first quarter, everything...
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 7: I swear to you, CJ. I swear to you. I
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 7: kid you not. I swear, dog.
• 1:40:37
  Speaker 5: I literally told my partner. We be talking football all
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 5: the time. He a LSU fan. I told this nigga.
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 7: I said, bro, when we come out against Bama, if
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 7: we do a play action on first down, dog, I
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 7: might fucking cry. And the first play of the fucking
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 7: game was a play action dart for like 12 yards, 13.
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 7: First play. We didn't do that none against SMU. It
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 7: was never a play action on first down. Like we
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 7: easily could be two on one. That's why that tears
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 7: got to fucking go. This shit is just fucking ridiculous
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 7: how the fuck you sweet like watch when we go
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 7: against Virginia Central Arkansas this shit don't even look the
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 7: same dudes probably don't get no fucking targets no more
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 7: like There's no reason we should be in this situation.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 5: There's none and Then the fourth.
• 1:41:26
  Speaker 7: Down conversion they had that was critical to when we
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 7: I think damn I think was a two possession three possessions.
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 1: Fourth and two missed all sex and.
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 5: Hell yeah, Jabril Ross came in off of blitz.
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: Before that, though, man, that shit was fucking third and 17, bro.
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 5: Yep, yep, damn sure enough.
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: And we gave up 15 to get them a situation
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: to go for. They wouldn't have went for that play
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: at all if we hold them to minimum game on
• 1:41:50
  Speaker 2: third down, but we gave up 15 on third and 17.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 7: And I think that went apart of the statistic of
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 7: damn three or four man rushes. This nigga went perfect
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 7: because I don't think we blitzed a cent more than four.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 3: Right.
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 2: I know on a percentage standpoint, we look good on
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: third downs, but if you go on third to 17,
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: you get 15. That's a third down conversion in my book.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 3: Mm-hmm.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 5: No, I agree.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 3: I agree.
• 1:42:12
  Speaker 5: I'm right with you. I'm right with you, man. This
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 5: shit just be pathetic. To be honest, where this program
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 5: at right now, man, I just don't. You just hate
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 5: to see it. You know what I'm saying?
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 7: Because, I mean, with these players, that first, all the
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 7: way up to that two-minute weather delay, I seen the team.
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 5: I knew, like, fuck the coaches. Fuck them. They all
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 5: trash to me. Get them gone. But as far as
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 5: that team, I know we got the players to fight,
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 5: my niggas. I know we did.
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: It's a certain team, like Obama, Miami, from a recruiting standpoint, right?
• 1:42:45
  Speaker 2: If you're looking at Obama, Miami, just that and third,
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: like those, we just can't bang the entire fourth quarter
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: due to recruiting deficiencies.
• 1:42:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you're right. Like we can't keep players. We can't
• 1:42:56
  Speaker 7: keep them. We literally, man, I knew last year when
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 7: Pittman was gone, that shit pissed me off. Because Pittman
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 7: single-handedly himself, the Virginia game, about had us still winning.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 5: By himself.
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 7: Pass a touchdown, receive a touchdown, and everybody know he'll
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 7: block his ass off. First game against New Mexico State,
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 7: I saw the Riles cat pull the block.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 5: I'm like, oh, no. Hell no. Motherfucker can't block.
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: That's another thing. It was one place where, seriously, Ashley
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: ended up taking a sack yesterday. Motion, Riles... We motioned
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: him over to the opposite side to pick up the
• 1:43:33
  Speaker 2: defensive end from a blocking standpoint. Motherfucker barely touched his ass,
• 1:43:37
  Speaker 2: and that same guy ended up getting a sack.
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: We didn't give Ashton time at all to develop the
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 1: play this, that, and third.
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: So I agree, Riles has been a big- Terrible. He's
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: been a terrible get from the.
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 5: Four of them. We wasted money on him, and then shit.
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 5: Who the hell is- We could have.
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 7: Put more money into this O-line to kind of make
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 7: this a better situation.
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: And then at that, the trenches.
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 7: I don't understand why the hell these niggas just can't
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 7: make no damn pressure. Like, this shit ridiculous. And like
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 7: you said, when it comes from a recruiting standpoint, like, man,
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 7: we keep the players.
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 5: Last year, we had Lucas, J. Lucas.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 7: Hell, every time we used him on like third and
• 1:44:13
  Speaker 7: five or we needed a big play, he'll come through.
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 4: Time and time.
• 1:44:17
  Speaker 7: But we never showed him consistency of getting the ball.
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 7: This nigga go to Tulane and put up a 200
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 7: ball on 11 rushes. It's just shit like that. Finally,
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 7: we started using bars. Finally, we using deep ends, hitting Danzy. Finally,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 7: we hit Danzy on the post. What killed me about
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 7: this shit is you got two players with Deuce and
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 7: Danzy who can take away two players, which make your
• 1:44:39
  Speaker 7: job easy.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: When you got a receiver.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 7: That can have a nigga on him and a player
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 7: over top, Danzy, the second half after that post, they
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 7: started playing over top of him. He go deep, everybody
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 7: looking at this nigga. That make your job easy. We
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 7: got threats. We got bars. We got Lopez. You got
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 7: to use these niggas. I was like, we can use
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 7: Trey Wiseman in a sense on some of these screens
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 7: he want to call, et cetera.
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: RPOs on a flat. Anything.
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 7: You can put this nigga in the game and use
• 1:45:09
  Speaker 7: him instead of just letting wasted money sit there. But
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 7: I will say in this game, Norvell really came out
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 7: and did better play calls. But it still don't fucking matter.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 7: Because like I said, I want that nigga fried.
• 1:45:21
  Speaker 3: I want him gone.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 7: I would have, like I said, before the game, I
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 7: would have had him going.
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 5: It don't matter how that game turned out.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 7: Because due to the SMU game, and this proved all
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 7: that to me.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 5: Like, we easily could be 2-1.
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 7: I give it to Bama, because like I said, on
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 7: the back end, they just smashed my football.
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 5: Like, who nuts bigger?
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 7: And they niggas ran it down our throats, and that's
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 7: when niggas become alive.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 5: You could tell niggas was woke.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 7: The LSU Ole Miss game, from that eight minutes in
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 7: third to all the way to the beginning of the fourth,
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 7: that game was 24-7. LSU woke up 21-24 going into
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 7: the fourth. That third shows you who motherfucking the better team.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 7: That's why with the first half, I took it with
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 7: a grain of salt. But that tears really woke me
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 7: up with that two minute after that weather delay.
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, that was just piss poor. Man, that
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 5: shit fucking ridiculous, dude.
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 7: Give any other coach this team, I really feel like
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 7: potentially we'll be 3-0.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 5: But like I said, on the back end, them guys
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 5: get gassed. Like, It ain't nothing you can do about that.
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 5: I don't give a fuck who the DC is. Them
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 5: niggas tired. What the fuck can you do?
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 1: It ain't nothing you can do right now.
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: You could have did that shit six months ago.
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 5: Damn right.
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 3: Damn right.
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 1: But now you just got to roll with it. You right.
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you right on that. But these niggas, man, I
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 7: don't know if they just ain't wired. Because Ashton Daniels,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 7: we kept fighting. Literally, the execution shot was the pick
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 7: on the damn... Last draw, I think when they was
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 7: up 14, we threw a pick, and then they ran
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 7: out the game. Because, I mean, you can still go
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 7: scope realistically and kick it onside. So that's why I
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 7: wasn't mad at Ashton. Like, this nigga still was playing
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 7: his ass off. He went to the sideline pissed after
• 1:46:57
  Speaker 7: the loss. I heard something about Brill. Brill got fucked
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 7: over on that.
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it was. It was a cover three,
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 5: I feel like.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 7: I don't know if it was man on that post
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 7: where he was over there dolo, but still, that's his zone.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 7: But other than that, if you watch the game through
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 7: and through in the third quarter, this nigga Brill still
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 7: coming up, making hits, talking shit to the crowd, still live,
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 7: still woke.
• 1:47:20
  Speaker 5: Them other niggas, man, you see hands on hips, all that.
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: You really got to pay attention to these.
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 3: Niggas' demeanor.
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 7: At the beginning of the game, Russell, that nigga was
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 7: walking off the field, hand on hip. We had that
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 7: nigga flustered, man. We let that nigga... Man, come on.
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 5: Then that nigga took that bitch 60 yards to the house.
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 5: I said, oh, we fried. We give a quarterback confidence.
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 1: He wasn't even touched.
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 3: Man, come on.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 5: But I'll give it to that nigga. That bitch fast, though.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: He sprayed.
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 2: But it's the point that you weren't touched, bro. It
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: was like a free land. I could have ran and
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: touched it. I ain't going to say. I could have
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: got 20 yards and put it that way. I probably
• 1:47:54
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have had the juice to go all the way.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: But I'm just saying the lane itself was wide open
• 1:47:59
  Speaker 2: for him to go, bro.
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 1: It was crazy. I think we lost them. All right, guys.
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 1: We'll go ahead and end up wrapping this show up.
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 1: We got over 953 tuning in.
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: Again, make sure you guys hit that like button, subscribe
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: to the channel, show a little bit of love. 900
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: or so people viewing on X and YouTube. I should
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: have 900 or something likes to show a little bit
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: of love. But I appreciate you guys. Again, 21 to 6, man.
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 1: We had it.
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: I felt like that's a game we definitely could have won,
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: in my opinion. Make sure you guys tap in with
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 2: Dope Talk. We have all things covered going into this
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: Central Arkansas game the rest.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 1: Of the season. Like and subscribe to the channel. Go Noles.