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Dylan Cease’s big Blue Jays deal, O’s sign Ryan Helsley, Rendon’s bye · Foul Territory

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  Speaker 1: Jill and Ce signing for seven two ten in AJ's mind,
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  Speaker 1: seven point two in my mind, Shy, what do you
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  Speaker 1: think of the move?
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  Speaker 2: I think from a Blue Jays perspective, it makes a
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  Speaker 2: ton of sense. Starting pitcher was their number one priority
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  Speaker 2: this offseason, and they got a guy who can move forward.
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  Speaker 2: It adds a guy who has front of the rotation
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  Speaker 2: capabilities for an extended period, which is something that they
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  Speaker 2: didn't have a lot of certainty with both Kevin Gosman
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  Speaker 2: and Shane Bieber being eligible for free agency after the
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  Speaker 2: twenty sixth season. So this is really the number one thing,
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  Speaker 2: maybe the top priority for the Blue Jays this offseason
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  Speaker 2: that they've gotten taken care of. Assuming that everything goes
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  Speaker 2: well with the physical and gets finalized in the next
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  Speaker 2: day or two.
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  Speaker 1: Let's talk about the blue Jays end of the situation here.
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  Speaker 1: How unlikely is this for them to be this aggressive
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  Speaker 1: early on in the market. I read your article over
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  Speaker 1: the weekend about how they like to be very calculated
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  Speaker 1: with their projections, and this seemed to veer off what
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  Speaker 1: they usually do, and I think most people, especially Blue
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  Speaker 1: Jays fans, were excited about it.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it doesn't it doesn't in some ways right,
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  Speaker 2: because like, yes, they tend to be deliberate and patient,
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  Speaker 2: but sometimes everything lines up for them. And they've liked
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  Speaker 2: Dylan Sea's for a while. They've tried to trade for
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  Speaker 2: him on a few occasions in the past, including as
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  Speaker 2: recently as last spring, and obviously didn't happen. And this
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  Speaker 2: was their guy, and so they would have done their
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  Speaker 2: normal work, which would be surveying the market for all
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  Speaker 2: the different options, and this fell. This came together in
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  Speaker 2: a way that's a little bit faster than normal. This
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  Speaker 2: is a bit a typical on Scott Boris's end too,
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  Speaker 2: where he often takes things a little bit deeper into
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  Speaker 2: the winter. But sometimes things line up. I think the
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  Speaker 2: Blue Jays in their presentation to Cease, did a lot
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  Speaker 2: of things that captured his attention, as to my understanding,
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  Speaker 2: so everything lined up for them, and I think for them,
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  Speaker 2: you know, Dylan sees a lot of the things that
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  Speaker 2: they tend to value and prioritize in pictures. There's the
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  Speaker 2: big velocity, there's swing and miss stuff, a strong baking pitch,
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  Speaker 2: a history of durability. Those are all things they really value,
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  Speaker 2: and sometimes things come together quickly, and so I think
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  Speaker 2: that happened in this case, and it's not necessarily something
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  Speaker 2: that we're used to seeing from them all the time,
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  Speaker 2: but this is one instance where all the pieces seem
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  Speaker 2: to line up fairly quickly.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, it was great. If I'm a Blue Jays fan,
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, we lost in Game seven of the World
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  Speaker 3: Series and then oh yeah, we went out and got
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  Speaker 3: one of the best starting pitchers on the market. The
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  Speaker 3: team knew what it was one, it prioritized it, and
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  Speaker 3: they went out and spent the money that they had
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  Speaker 3: to go do this. Now I'm happy, I'm excited if
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  Speaker 3: I'm a Jays fan, shy, but I'm also like, Okay,
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  Speaker 3: can we still bring back both? Can we go out
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  Speaker 3: and help the bullpen a little bit? Whether it's a
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  Speaker 3: Fairbanks or whoever they want to go out and get.
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  Speaker 3: Can they still make these moves because there's a Blue
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  Speaker 3: Jays fan, I'm like, I'm very excited, but I need
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  Speaker 3: one or two more moves and then we can be
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  Speaker 3: really awesome.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, look, I think if you're a fan, it's
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  Speaker 2: never enough, right, just keep making more moves.
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  Speaker 3: And it's not my money, Listen, it's not my money,
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  Speaker 3: So spending no, and not mine either, And I think
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  Speaker 3: you should make the team as as strong as possible.
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  Speaker 3: You have a phone, you have a cell phone. I
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  Speaker 3: do are you on Rodgers? Are you on Rogers communication?
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  Speaker 3: Because isn't everybody in Cannon on Rodgers?
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  Speaker 2: Very many people are yes.
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  Speaker 3: Okay, So every time that you every time you pay
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  Speaker 3: a bill, you're helping pay for Dylan Caesar's contract ten
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  Speaker 3: years from now.
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  Speaker 4: So thank you.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah. Absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Look, I think that the money is there, and I
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  Speaker 2: think they the ability is there when they're opportunity is right,
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  Speaker 2: like the way that it's been explained to me in
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  Speaker 2: the way that the Blue Jays have spoken about it
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  Speaker 2: on multiplications, that when there is a business case to
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  Speaker 2: be made, that if they can justify it, then they
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  Speaker 2: can go do it. And so this doesn't rule them
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  Speaker 2: out of anything else that they want to do this offseason.
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  Speaker 2: There are a few more things they want to accomplish
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  Speaker 2: this offseason, and there are obvious needs. Boba shed is
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  Speaker 2: certainly key in that regard, but I don't I don't
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  Speaker 2: think this cuts them off to anything, and I think,
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  Speaker 2: if anything, it just gives them more opportunity because now,
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  Speaker 2: like the major thing of the to do list is gone,
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  Speaker 2: so now you can just focus on other areas and
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  Speaker 2: can really just what I think that they're probably doing,
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  Speaker 2: or what I think they should be doing, is just
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  Speaker 2: looking ways to chase wins right now, right like they
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  Speaker 2: can do, they can augment in a few different ways.
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  Speaker 2: There's a lot of creativity that you can apply to it.
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  Speaker 2: But just where are you going to get the most
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  Speaker 2: wins for your roster? At this point?
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  Speaker 6: Do the Blue Jays feel like they're buying low on
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  Speaker 6: Dylan Cease? I know it's hard to say when you
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  Speaker 6: when you put out a two hundred and ten million
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  Speaker 6: dollar check, but you look at what they did with
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  Speaker 6: when they got Gosman.
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  Speaker 4: He had that.
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  Speaker 6: Mega year for the Giants. They kind of paid high,
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  Speaker 6: but they saw the trend of what Gosman has been
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  Speaker 6: the entire time he's been there. Cease's eer was I
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  Speaker 6: think right at the four and a half, but other
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  Speaker 6: metrics would say it's closer to like a three and
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  Speaker 6: a half, maybe even a three point four. So do
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  Speaker 6: you feel like they've do they feel like they've bought
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  Speaker 6: low on this even though they put out two hundred.
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  Speaker 4: And ten million.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that that I would necessarily say
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  Speaker 2: bought low, but I think they bought what they're expecting
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  Speaker 2: to get from him, right, And what we've really seen
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  Speaker 2: in the past, you know a couple of decade decade
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  Speaker 2: and a half or so, is the evolution in free
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  Speaker 2: agency from teams paying for what a player has done
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  Speaker 2: as it passed to them really trying to pay players
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  Speaker 2: based on what they think they're going to accomplish.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, a big part of.
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  Speaker 2: Ceases interest in the Jays was, and probably from other
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  Speaker 2: teams too, was know, what what do you think that
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  Speaker 2: I need to do to get to the next level.
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  Speaker 2: And you know, from the conversations I've had about him,
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  Speaker 2: people say that he's immensely motivated. He wants to be
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  Speaker 2: the best that he can be, wants to tap into
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  Speaker 2: his ability, the way to fully tap into his ability,
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  Speaker 2: And so some of the questions that the Bluejays were
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  Speaker 2: asked was like what do you have in mind for him?
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  Speaker 2: Like what what does how does he become that consistent
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  Speaker 2: front of the rotation guy who's who's posting every season.
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  Speaker 2: And so his camp liked what the Blue Jays had presented,
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  Speaker 2: and so I think that that would have been what
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  Speaker 2: the Blue jays envision for him, like whatever it is
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  Speaker 2: that they presented him, the ideas that they shared at
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  Speaker 2: that point in time, that's what helped Tip to scales,
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  Speaker 2: and that is what I believe they're buying.
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  Speaker 6: Is there is there a belief also that they made
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  Speaker 6: this move this early? They're like, Hey, we just won
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  Speaker 6: the American League East. Now we want to be the
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  Speaker 6: ones that like our foots on the American League East throat.
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  Speaker 6: We want to be the one to make the first move.
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  Speaker 6: Or was it just something that hey, you know what,
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  Speaker 6: it came together because you talked about it. It's not
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  Speaker 6: really like a Boris Mo. It's more like, hey, you
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  Speaker 6: know what, we're going to kind of shop it around.
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  Speaker 6: Or did the Jay say, hey, this is our time
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  Speaker 6: to strike, So we're going to go after the one
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  Speaker 6: guy that we really want and we'll show the rest
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  Speaker 6: of the East. You got to start getting on board here.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think the time to strike peace
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  Speaker 2: is probably there that we're going to show the American
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  Speaker 2: League East. They tend not to think like that, at
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  Speaker 2: least outwardly that they that they're sharing it. I think
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  Speaker 2: that they're more of the of like how do we
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  Speaker 2: just accumulate the most projected wins that we can, right,
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  Speaker 2: And I think that again the acting early. If Dylan
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  Speaker 2: Ceas wanted to wait a little bit longer than the
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  Speaker 2: Jays would have waited longer for Seas, right They this,
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  Speaker 2: I believe, is the guy they really wanted, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: for for all the reasons I mentioned beforehand. So if
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  Speaker 2: that was going to take a bit more time, they
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  Speaker 2: would have played that out. But I think again getting
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  Speaker 2: this done early just gives them more flexibility and more
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  Speaker 2: to to be frank just just more time now and
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  Speaker 2: more resources that they can devote to other areas to
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  Speaker 2: explore other things, because again, the big primary ticket item
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  Speaker 2: that they wanted is now off there to do list.
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  Speaker 5: What do you got for it? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: So I think that the next one for them is
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  Speaker 2: probably going to be a leverage reliever, right they you
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  Speaker 2: can't have enough bullpen and everything that we see in
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  Speaker 2: the postseason how much they value I think that's going
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  Speaker 2: to be one of the next areas of focus. Uh,
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  Speaker 2: then they're also going to look to add it bat
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  Speaker 2: ideally an infielder, and obviously Bobachet fits into that range there.
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  Speaker 2: But again, because they do have some flexibility on the
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  Speaker 2: roster from a defensive alignment standpoint, they can do different
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  Speaker 2: things and they can pursue an outfielder if they so wanted. Finally,
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  Speaker 2: I think they're just going to keep on trying to
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  Speaker 2: add pitching. Right they can again be creative in a
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  Speaker 2: number of different ways. You just never have enough pitching,
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  Speaker 2: as much as teams have it. It's such a cliche,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, as much as teams have, you get
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  Speaker 2: into the season, it always turns out that it's not enough.
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  Speaker 4: And so is it.
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  Speaker 2: Can they add a swing man? Do they add two relievers?
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  Speaker 2: Do they maybe go find another another starter? Even I
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  Speaker 2: think there are just ways for them to further build
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  Speaker 2: out their pitching. It'd be something that they still want
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  Speaker 2: to do.
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  Speaker 3: Sure, when you say leverage reliever, are we talking Edwin Diaz?
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  Speaker 3: Are we talking someone like that, like a big big
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  Speaker 3: name Robert Suarez possibly, or are we talking more if
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  Speaker 3: you kind of fall down the list a little bit,
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  Speaker 3: Not that these guys are terrible, but a Pete Fairbanks,
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  Speaker 3: a Amelia Pegan, a Luke Weaver that had had or
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  Speaker 3: you know, coming a little bit cheaper than the big
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  Speaker 3: name DS Suarez, even Devin Williams, I'll throw in there
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  Speaker 3: as the big name guys. Are they looking at someone
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  Speaker 3: like that or are they going to try and maybe
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  Speaker 3: add two or three of the lower end people. Yes,
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  Speaker 3: so I just put its Edwin d He just reported yes.
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  Speaker 2: Not quite agent. I think you might be taking some
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  Speaker 2: creative license there, But I think they're open to all
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  Speaker 2: the different possibilities. Like if they can get if something
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  Speaker 2: with Diaz was to work out and it fit within
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  Speaker 2: their their valuations, then I think they would explore that.
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  Speaker 2: And if it's something else, well they still have Jeff
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  Speaker 2: Hoffman and Jimmy Garcia, then they're pairing another eighth inning
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  Speaker 2: arm that gets swing and miss. I think the bottom
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  Speaker 2: line is they're going to look for all They're going
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  Speaker 2: to look at all the different possibilities. It is what
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  Speaker 2: they do and it's why they get connected to everybody.
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  Speaker 2: But they're going to look for somebody who gets some
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  Speaker 2: swing and miss, ideally someone who is somewhat platoon proof
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  Speaker 2: and you can throw them in there against lefties and
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  Speaker 2: or righty's and someone who has some experience in the
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  Speaker 2: back end of a game. Now is that eighth inning,
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  Speaker 2: ninth inning. Look, I don't think they're going to rule
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  Speaker 2: anything out. I really do think they're just chasing wins
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  Speaker 2: at this point and trying to get as much value,
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  Speaker 2: as much more as much talent on their roster as
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  Speaker 2: they can. But the thing that like, starting like last offseason,
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  Speaker 2: one of the points of priority for the that they've
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  Speaker 2: made with their relievers was to just get guys who
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  Speaker 2: get more swing and miss or more velocity into their bullpen.
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  Speaker 2: And I think that that's been born out in the
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  Speaker 2: type of pickups that they've made. Even if you go
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  Speaker 2: back to last year at the deadline when it was
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  Speaker 2: Dominga's and Varland who were their pickups there. Those are
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  Speaker 2: two guys who both have big velocity and both get
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  Speaker 2: a lot of swing and miss. So I'd expect the
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  Speaker 2: Blue Jays to examine every element of that market, to
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  Speaker 2: continue examining every element of that market, and whatever ends
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  Speaker 2: up working out ends up working out.
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  Speaker 6: Blue Jays are seriously in the mix for pretty much everybody,
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  Speaker 6: is what I hear from Shiza VD so we're going
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  Speaker 6: to go to the bat. We're going to go to
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  Speaker 6: the bat preferably an infielder. Is that preferably an infielder
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  Speaker 6: if it's bobashit? And if it's not it, is it elsewhere?
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  Speaker 6: Because Alex Bregman plays a really good third base and
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  Speaker 6: the opening at third allows Barger to play right field,
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  Speaker 6: which obviously there's a Tucker talk and there's a lot
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  Speaker 6: of shifting around. But if it's not Bobachett, is that
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  Speaker 6: bat going to be an infielder?
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  Speaker 2: Not necessarily, but it could be right. And I think
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  Speaker 2: that's going back to what I said about the Blue
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  Speaker 2: Jays could add in a number of different ways. They
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  Speaker 2: because of as and Barger being able to move around,
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  Speaker 2: and Ernie Clement being able to move around and having
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  Speaker 2: Springer able to be at DHN in the outfield, the
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  Speaker 2: same with Santander. The Blue just can just do a
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  Speaker 2: lot of different things, and they can go for what
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  Speaker 2: ends up being the best fit. That doesn't necessarily mean
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  Speaker 2: they're going to get someone on the super high end
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  Speaker 2: if Bobachett ends up leaving the club, but they can
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  Speaker 2: examine all the different options that are there. And so
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  Speaker 2: I think that just from the way that they're set up,
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  Speaker 2: I think it makes sense for them to probably get
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  Speaker 2: an infielder, probably one who can play second base, because
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  Speaker 2: you can put him in as a shortstop. And that
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  Speaker 2: looked pretty good for the two months we saw it
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  Speaker 2: in September and October. But they can just play with
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  Speaker 2: the opportunity based on the way that they can move
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  Speaker 2: their existing pieces around.
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  Speaker 4: The diamond.
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  Speaker 3: SUI is, should the Blue Jays next year with Louis
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  Speaker 3: Arland have the little thing that Fox had for Shoheyo Tani.
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  Speaker 3: He's due up in three innings, It'll be like Louis
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  Speaker 3: Arland will be warming up because is he warming up
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  Speaker 3: officially right now in the offseason? And has anyone confirmed
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  Speaker 3: that he can wipe his butt at this point in
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  Speaker 3: the off season After all the innings he threw in
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  Speaker 3: the postseason, how many times he was up that dude
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  Speaker 3: was unbelievable.
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  Speaker 2: For them, it was incredible, and you know, just in
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  Speaker 2: talking to him, he was just like, I can just
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  Speaker 2: keep going.
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  Speaker 4: Look there.
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  Speaker 2: He will obviously be managed differently over the course of
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  Speaker 2: one hundred and sixty two, but they were certainly attracted
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  Speaker 2: to his durability and the fact that he showed that
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  Speaker 2: he could do that will obviously impact the way the
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  Speaker 2: Blue Jays handle them, because they they will want to
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  Speaker 2: use him a fair bit during the regular season, assuming
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  Speaker 2: they will try to find ways to ensure he can
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  Speaker 2: still do something like that again in the postseason should
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  Speaker 2: the Blue Jays make it next season as well. But
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  Speaker 2: it was really remarkable. There has been some loose conversation
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  Speaker 2: about whether or not he gets stretched out a little
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  Speaker 2: bit next spring and whether that's something they look at.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that there's any definitive conclusion whether they're
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  Speaker 2: going to go that route or not at this point,
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  Speaker 2: but you know, they've kicked around a lot of different
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  Speaker 2: things with Louis Varland, and at minimum they know they've
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  Speaker 2: got a very durable and reliable piece for their bullpen mix.
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  Speaker 6: When you said pitching death because your third point on
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  Speaker 6: your to do list, do they look at it as okay,
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  Speaker 6: Chris Bassett gave us below a foury RA. He gave
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  Speaker 6: us thirty one starts during the year, and he was
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  Speaker 6: a piece out of our bullpen, a big piece in
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  Speaker 6: the playoffs, but a piece out of bullpen. So do
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  Speaker 6: they look at that pitching depth as something that okay?
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  Speaker 6: It's important, but it's not that important. It's not a
• 17:25
  Speaker 6: Tatsuya My type of important. Or is it the whole
• 17:29
  Speaker 6: spectrum of where they're looking for pitching depth kind of
• 17:32
  Speaker 6: like you talked about the leverage reliever.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so I.
• 17:35
  Speaker 2: Don't I don't think it's maybe on necessarily on the
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: high end unless they do something else with their staff.
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, but you know, Chris Bassett to me is interesting,
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: like he's a guy who definitely deserves a spot in
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: a rotation. What he did out of the bullpen I
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: think created some interest in what that would look like
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: full time if he was a reliever, and how versatile
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: a pitcher he is. I don't think he's the type
• 18:04
  Speaker 2: of guy who would want to bounce back between the
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: roles be go starter, reliever, back and forth as a swingman,
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: but maybe potentially he's open to something like that. He
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: was obviously super important to that clubhouse. He was really
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: tied to in a lot of way the artery system
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: of that team, where he was just a central part
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: of almost everything that was happening there. But is there
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: enough opportunity for him with the Blue Jays compared to
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: what he might do with other clubs? Good question, but
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: I think ultimately the Blue Jays just want to find innings,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: you know, finding a minor league free agent like an
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Eric Lower who can come up and emerge at a
• 18:45
  Speaker 2: key point in the season when you know your depth
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: is really being tested.
• 18:49
  Speaker 5: I think that's important.
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: The Blue Jayes do have some more internal pieces, be
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: it someone like Bowden Francis this year, who was trending
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: towards health towards the end of the season when he
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: ran out a runway and should be ready to go
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: next spring. There's a Ricky Tiedeman who's coming back from
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: Tommy John surgery and should be ready to go as well,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: and he was one of the top prospects only in
• 19:12
  Speaker 2: the Blue Jay system, but he was a consensus Pop
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: one hundred prospect as well before it got hurt. So
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: they do have some depth, but I think they'll try
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: to just keep finding ways to add, be it on
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: the major league roster or on the minor league side,
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: that builds out the depth that they have.
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  Speaker 3: Faan sure you mentioned his depth. One of their big
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: pieces last year was Max Suers or have you heard
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: if he's pitching next year? Do we know anything about
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: his future and what he's going to do? Because he
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: performed well in the postseason for him, so have there
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: any talks maybe of a reunion or have we even
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: heard if he's going to pitch next year?
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's going to pitch and he I
• 20:52
  Speaker 2: mean he basically said it just after the season and
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: then reiterated that in some comments to Ken Rosenthal after.
• 20:58
  Speaker 2: But the I think in terms of the Blue Jays,
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: I'm interested to kind of see where that goes and
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: how that fit is there. You know, Max sures are
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: at this point. May I mean if depending on health,
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: is he a guy you can count on to go
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: wire to wire orre there going to be some things
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: that that crop up the ways that you have to
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: keep them healthy. H And does that fit with what
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: the Blue Jays are doing? Do they again have enough
• 21:24
  Speaker 2: opportunity as things stand right now? The Blue Jays have
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: five starters in the rotation and maybe there's some movement
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: some way, shape or form that creates an opening, but
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: they're sort of full there. Does does Max want sort
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: of a part time role or want to wait for
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: an opportunity or is he going to go to a
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: team where they have a spot more open for him?
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: I think those are all fair questions. So I think
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: there was a lot of a lot of appreciation for
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Max schures are not only what he did on the field,
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: but the way that he contributed in the clubhouse on
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: a number of level, the types of conversations said he
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: had with front office people in terms of their game
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: planning and information and the way that they assessed other
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: players and planned and all things of those natures. There
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: is a lot of appreciation for that. He very much
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: appreciated his experience with the Blue Jays. So there's a
• 22:18
  Speaker 2: two way element to that. But does that necessarily mean
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: there's going to be a reunion. I don't know at
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: this point. I still think that before that there are
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: some things that would happen before that ends up taking place.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: So I might I may or may not see Max
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: on Wednesday. So can I tell him that Shay DAVIDI
• 22:37
  Speaker 3: said there's no chance he comes back to the Blue Jays.
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: I mean, I'd prefer that you didn't, because I don't
• 22:42
  Speaker 2: want him to throw something that time I see it.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: But look, I mean, I think with the way that
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: he pitched it in the postseason, I mean he's cemented
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: a place in appraceive appreciation with Blue Jay fans for
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: will remember those contributions, especially that game in Seattle that
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: was something that well, it won't be soon forgotten, So
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: I think that's that's pretty cool. I think, look, we'll
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: see where this Blue Jays offseason goes, and I think
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: it's still at the beginning as opposed to the end
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: of it, even with such a major move as the
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: cease agreement. But I do think there's more to come.
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: We'll see, We'll see how much variation there is to
• 23:28
  Speaker 2: the rest of the roster, what kind of changes or
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: further editions are made, and then you know, maybe there
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: is a reunion in the offing down the road.
• 23:37
  Speaker 6: Do we have to make sure that we're not blinded
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: by their fact that they made at the Game seven
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: of the World Series that when we evaluate what Ross
• 23:45
  Speaker 6: Atkins has done for this team. I've been one of
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: the biggest detractors of any like I was not a
• 23:52
  Speaker 6: Ross Atkins fan. The moves he made, the fact that
• 23:55
  Speaker 6: he was getting rid of guys and not resigning guys,
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: and I felt like the law has kind of fell
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: on him. Now this past offseason, they went out and
• 24:03
  Speaker 6: got Sureser, Like you talked about Santander, and really Santander
• 24:08
  Speaker 6: was the big move and.
• 24:10
  Speaker 4: He didn't play much.
• 24:11
  Speaker 6: So was this really a positive season for Ross Atkins
• 24:16
  Speaker 6: because the players played well or because Ross Adkins made
• 24:19
  Speaker 6: a lot of really good moves.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean it always comes down to the players,
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: right Like the players, as much as front offices can
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: do once they're between the lines, it's all dependent on
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: the players. But I don't think you can kind of
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: look at what the You can't divorce last season from
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: what the Blueg's had done over multiple years to get
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: to that point.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: And I think.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: That's the conclusion that you know, Mark Schapiro had reached,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: was that twenty four went about as horribly as it
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: could have gone, but twenty four, being as bad as
• 25:01
  Speaker 2: it was, wasn't fully reflective of some of the good
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: work that had been done in advance of that, and
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: that twenty four was an aberration. And I think there
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: was certainly cause for concern with the way that the
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: window was framing up that Vladimir Guerrero Junior didn't get done.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: And this may be narrative, but I do know some
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: people who think that the Vladimir extent Guerrero Junior extension
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: last April, and it's removing that as an issue and
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: definitively setting the Blue Jays window as like, this is
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: a team that's going to keep competing, this is a
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: team that's going to build around a cornerstone like Guerrero.
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: I think that was ended up being a factor because
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: when they got off to the slow start and we're
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: having some issues, it wasn't like everyone was thinking, Okay,
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: they're going to blow this up in a second, right,
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: Whereas if Guerrero hadn't signed, then that would have been
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: a conversation around it. And so I think all the
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: things end up being part of the Ross Atkins ledger.
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: And so when you put talented players together and then
• 26:08
  Speaker 2: you find a way to help them be successful. And
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: that's sort of the less discussed part of the Blue
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: Jay season, which is some of the changes that they
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: made to their game planning and the way that they
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: distribute information in their players, and some of the conversations
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: around how they attack different things, the evolutions there from
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: even defensive positioning, pitch recommendations, all those different types of things.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: That is all part of what the Blue Jays did
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: last year. And so if you look at it as
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: they had learned some very very hard lessons in twenty
• 26:43
  Speaker 2: twenty four, but then applied them in twenty five and
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: made the best out of a bad year. I think
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: that you have to give everybody some credit. That includes
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: manager John Schneider, includes GM ross Atkins. I mean, you know,
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: if you're going to be blamed them for twenty four,
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: you can't not credit them for twenty five.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Well that was going to be my question. Is John
• 27:06
  Speaker 3: Schneider officially off the hot seat now? Because going into
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: the year, everyone was like, Oh, he's gonna be the
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: first one fired, and then they got off to the
• 27:12
  Speaker 3: terrible start and everyone's like, man, you know, everyone's looking
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: at their watch, going okay, is there going to be
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: a press conference today at two o'clock saying John Schneider
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: has been relieved to duty And next thing you know,
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: he's got them to the Game seven of the World Series.
• 27:23
  Speaker 3: So is he officially off the hot seat? Yeah?
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: I mean it may be done already, or if it's
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: not done yet, it's going to be done soon. There'll
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: be an extension for him and an extension for Mark
• 27:37
  Speaker 2: Shapiro as well. So I think all that hot seat
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: stuff that disappeared probably around last June or so, when
• 27:45
  Speaker 2: the team turned the corner and then didn't let up
• 27:48
  Speaker 2: and so you know, John Schneider actually deserves a ton
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: of credit and there was a very strong case for
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: him to be a manager of the Year in the
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: American League. You know, some people around the team were
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: quite frustrated that it didn't happen for him at that
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: point in time. But you know, the the type of
• 28:06
  Speaker 2: work that the Blue Jays did in transforming themselves out
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: of twenty four into the group that went into twenty five. Uh,
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: you know, a lot of that lands on him, and
• 28:16
  Speaker 2: he was very deliberate in the off season. A lot
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: of it was player driven, but it was running through him.
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: And I think that anybody questioning sort of his future
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: sort of did didn't watch what happened last year, right,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: And so I think that that'll probably be resolved fairly soon.
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: Same with Shapiro.
• 28:37
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: This is a team that has some stability, that's valued continuity, uh,
• 28:41
  Speaker 2: and is poised to continue with that two of the
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: key leadership spots.
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: Yeah, him not winning him not winning Manager of the
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Year cost me an apology to Ken Rosenthal. So yeah,
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: that was a little fus He is one of the
• 28:57
  Speaker 3: first people at that nothing against Stephen Vogue, but first
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: of first, usually wins your Manager of the Year. So
• 29:04
  Speaker 3: I had to apologize to Ken Roosevelt, as Ken Rosenthal
• 29:06
  Speaker 3: has done many times as the Blue Jays.
• 29:08
  Speaker 4: So there you go.
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: Hey, look, I think like there are two compelling cases there.
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: Let mean, the run the Guardians went on at the
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: end certainly impressive. But I think if you're looking sort
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: of collective body of work, degree of difficulty in the
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: between the different divisions, it's my eyes at least it's
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: And I wasn't voting on manager this year, but it
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: looked to me to be pretty clear cut.
• 29:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, Snyder had my boat too, Shy. Good stuff.
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: Much more from Shy. He wrote about it the last
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: few days and on his Twitter account too. You can
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: check them out at Shi Davdi and you can check out.
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: His work in sports Net. Always appreciate your joining us, Shy.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: Thank you. We'll talk to you soon.
• 29:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, could catch it up, guys.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Be well, all right, let's talk about the Sea Steel
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: here for a few minutes. A couple key points here,
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: AJ that I'd love to get your thoughts on. Number one,
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: are the best days yet to come for Dylan Cees.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: You get the classic complaints online about some of the
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: eras and even era plus is not being great, but
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: there's a ton of swing and miss right. We've seen
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: some ups and downs from him, So did the Blue
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: Jay sign of guy who is going to peak now,
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: much like say Zach Wheeler has done with the Phillies.
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: I think they are.
• 30:24
  Speaker 3: Y'all might disagree with me here, but I think they
• 30:26
  Speaker 3: are because the contract's done. He knows where he's going
• 30:31
  Speaker 3: to be at for the next seven years. And this
• 30:33
  Speaker 3: dude has unbelievable stuff. And Pete Walker, their pitching coach
• 30:36
  Speaker 3: for the Blue Jays, has been there a long time
• 30:38
  Speaker 3: and he knows how to get the most out of guys.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: I mean, Kevin Gosman, he was pretty good with the Giants.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: He went here has gotten better. Bast's been unbelievable since
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: he's got all these guys. There's so many guys, a
• 30:50
  Speaker 3: long list of guys that go to Toronto, and they
• 30:52
  Speaker 3: get better because of Pete Walker, because of their hitting
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: and pitching level. I don't know what it is, but
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: they seem to get better when they go to Toronto. And
• 31:00
  Speaker 3: I think he's going to figure some male with Dylan
• 31:02
  Speaker 3: Seas if you can ever figure out a way to
• 31:03
  Speaker 3: Getdylan SE's just those more fastballs so that he doesn't
• 31:06
  Speaker 3: have to throw a slider every pitch. This guy's a
• 31:08
  Speaker 3: limit for this guy, and I think they're going to
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: get more out of them.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree. Strike's a big thing. Strikes.
• 31:16
  Speaker 6: I mean, everybody will tell you if you're walking too
• 31:18
  Speaker 6: many dudes, it's always going to drag down your numbers,
• 31:22
  Speaker 6: your efficiency, all that stuff. But the strikeouts are there,
• 31:27
  Speaker 6: so can Pete Walker and more importantly, can Alejandro Kirk
• 31:33
  Speaker 6: get the most out of this guy? Alejandra Kirk will
• 31:36
  Speaker 6: be the starting catcher. He's going to be back there
• 31:38
  Speaker 6: every day working with Dylan Cees. Can he get him
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: as a he's a veteran now, he's he needs to
• 31:47
  Speaker 6: know what he needs to do. But you also look
• 31:48
  Speaker 6: back at his two years that he was getting SION votes.
• 31:53
  Speaker 6: I think it was twenty I should have pulled it up.
• 31:56
  Speaker 6: I think it was twenty two. Yeah, twenty two and
• 31:59
  Speaker 6: twenty four. He was second in SiO, fourth in SiO.
• 32:04
  Speaker 6: How those catchers worked with him, he has Monti Grendal
• 32:08
  Speaker 6: and I think it was Martine Maldonado. How they work
• 32:11
  Speaker 6: with him and get him to trust that we don't
• 32:15
  Speaker 6: need to throw three balls to get a strikeout. You
• 32:18
  Speaker 6: can throw two. You can throw two pitches and get
• 32:22
  Speaker 6: an early out, which will create the opportunity to get
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: ahead in account and then on the next hitter, which
• 32:29
  Speaker 6: then can get you early strikeouts. And I think he'll
• 32:31
  Speaker 6: still rack up the strikeouts, So can they get him
• 32:34
  Speaker 6: to do that? That's where he would take the next level?
• 32:36
  Speaker 6: Is he gonna take the next level like a Zach
• 32:38
  Speaker 6: Wheeler type of next level. I don't take that high.
• 32:42
  Speaker 6: But when you have the strikeouts, if you have the
• 32:45
  Speaker 6: ability to lower your walks, yes, there is another level
• 32:49
  Speaker 6: to be unlocked.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: For Dylan sees way better defense that's going to be
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: behind him in Toronto. Now, Padres defense wasn't terrible, but
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: the Blue Jays defense has been great.
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: Defense doesn't matter. Defense doesn't matter for Dylan Seas because
• 33:05
  Speaker 3: he gets punchies. The problem is, like what Krawt said,
• 33:08
  Speaker 3: can he get punch outs in three pitches instead of
• 33:10
  Speaker 3: seven pitches?
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: Right?
• 33:13
  Speaker 3: And can he be efficient with it? And I agree
• 33:15
  Speaker 3: with what krat said, Yes, there's another level there because
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: this guy will still get his punchies if someone can
• 33:20
  Speaker 3: ever figure out how to make it more efficient instead
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: of three to two on every guy, I gotta throw
• 33:24
  Speaker 3: a slider. I got to punch this guy on a slider. Allah,
• 33:27
  Speaker 3: a guy named you Darvish who did the same thing,
• 33:29
  Speaker 3: and he is gone. He went to San Diego and
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: actually got a little better. I think Dylan Seas will
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: get with Pete Walker. Pete Walker, say listen, Dylan Man,
• 33:36
  Speaker 3: we really love what you do. You got unbelievable shit.
• 33:39
  Speaker 3: Throw it over the plate and let's see what happens.
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: I think what you said the defense Scott is huge.
• 33:45
  Speaker 6: That's gonna be part of Pete Walker's That's gonna be
• 33:47
  Speaker 6: part of Pete Walker's sales. Pitch Well, why am I
• 33:50
  Speaker 6: gonna throw on his own and throwing a slider three too?
• 33:53
  Speaker 6: What aj said is not a soft thing to do.
• 33:56
  Speaker 6: It's not a oh he's nibbling. It's you can throw
• 34:00
  Speaker 6: the three to two slider. Just throw it in the zone. Well,
• 34:03
  Speaker 6: you know sometimes it gets hit. Okay, Well why does
• 34:06
  Speaker 6: it get hit? You know they hit it hard because
• 34:09
  Speaker 6: I don't think it's as good of a pitch.
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: Let them hit it. Let them hit it.
• 34:13
  Speaker 6: We have platinum in center field, and we have platinum
• 34:16
  Speaker 6: most likely at shortstop. If he's not at shortstop. Because
• 34:18
  Speaker 6: they bring Bo back, he'll be at second base like
• 34:22
  Speaker 6: it's a it's a sales pitch. It is probably part
• 34:27
  Speaker 6: of their sales pitch. Yes, the two hundred and ten
• 34:29
  Speaker 6: million is what got Dylan ceased there, but the sales
• 34:32
  Speaker 6: pitch of probably the same thing that they told Roki
• 34:36
  Speaker 6: Sasaki last year. Hey, you know what, we get it.
• 34:39
  Speaker 6: You can throw one hundred with a forkball, but we
• 34:42
  Speaker 6: just want you to throw it in the zone because
• 34:43
  Speaker 6: we are constant, we're doubling down, tripling down with the
• 34:47
  Speaker 6: trade of Andre Simenez last offseason on our defense and
• 34:51
  Speaker 6: selling that to a pitcher can really kind of get
• 34:55
  Speaker 6: a little bit of relief off their back that they
• 34:58
  Speaker 6: don't have to make the name fastiest pitch in every
• 35:01
  Speaker 6: situation and go five.
• 35:04
  Speaker 5: And last point here.
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: Players will sign with the Blue Jays more likely to
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: sign with them now, of course they're winning. Most players
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: have given the choice money wise, are going to sign
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: with a team that they know is winning. Blue Jays
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: looked like they had a great vibe going. Yes, is
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: there a factor with taxes and being in a different country. Sure, right,
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: there are pros and cons to most places where you sign.
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: I also don't think the Blue Jays were going up
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: against the Dodgers, which seem to be a problem for
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: them when going for sho Hee Otani and Roki Sasaki.
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: So they win the battle here. They strike early. Good
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: for them. What do we think here? Two years, twenty
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: eight million bucks for Ryan Helsley. He will not be
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: a starting pitcher. He is going to join the Baltimore
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: Orioles bullpen. So far, AJ we've seen the Orioles acquire
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Taylor Ward and.
• 35:58
  Speaker 5: We've seen them now pick up Ryan Helsley.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: They also did trade back for Andrew Kittridge and pick
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: up his option so that they can start to rebuild
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: their bullpen. Keep in mind that Felix Bautista is going
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: to miss this coming season, which is a big blow
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: for them. I'm a big Bautista fan, but Helsley can
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: fill the void. If you think that this past season,
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: especially as time period with the Mets, was an aberration,
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: were you surprised about anything here?
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: No, there's a great deal for both. I think I
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: think it's a great deal for both people involved. I
• 36:29
  Speaker 3: think for Helsley, I mean, there was talking about him
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: going back to Saint Louis. That never happens except for
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: old as Chapman going back to the Yankees at the
• 36:36
  Speaker 3: time when he got traded, and I think Helsley got
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: a good deal. He got it again. This kind of
• 36:40
  Speaker 3: goes back to the argument we just had. He got
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: a deal he wanted from a team he's okay going
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: to and you know what, whammo had happened, and it
• 36:47
  Speaker 3: happened fast. And I think it's great. I think it's
• 36:50
  Speaker 3: great for both parties involved, and good for the Oil,
• 36:52
  Speaker 3: is good for Michael Las. He gives the fansome to
• 36:54
  Speaker 3: be happy about around Thanksgiving, and it gives Ryan Helsley
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: a chance to go to his mom and his dad
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: and his wife and his kids and everyone else in
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: his family and say, gosh, guys, I just got paid
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: and we can have a hell of a Christmas.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: And Kratz, if he goes off, he can opt out
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: after you're one of this deal and hit the free
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: agent market again. Because this was a guy heading into
• 37:14
  Speaker 1: this season that you thought would probably get a little
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: bit more than this. Now you're looking at this past
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: season and some fans were like, what two years twenty
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: eight million for him? But I mean heading into twenty
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: twenty five, he was looked at as what maybe a
• 37:27
  Speaker 1: top five.
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: No more than top ten reliever in the sport.
• 37:32
  Speaker 6: And I mean after especially after leading the league and
• 37:35
  Speaker 6: saves on a Cardinals team in twenty four that wasn't
• 37:38
  Speaker 6: wasn't great. He was going out there. I think he
• 37:40
  Speaker 6: was forty nine to fifty that year, but I'm not
• 37:43
  Speaker 6: one hundred percent sure.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: Forty nine for fifty three.
• 37:46
  Speaker 6: For fifty three, okay, okay. So I thought he was
• 37:50
  Speaker 6: coming out of the twenty four season. After twenty four,
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: I thought he was like a four year type of
• 37:55
  Speaker 6: four year type of clothser twelve to fourteen million. So
• 37:57
  Speaker 6: I'm glad he got the fourteen million, a little bit
• 37:59
  Speaker 6: more aav Then you see some closers getting of his
• 38:05
  Speaker 6: ilk because he's not quite an Edwin Diaz Robert Suarez,
• 38:09
  Speaker 6: you know, definitely not in the hater land that kind
• 38:11
  Speaker 6: of thing.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: But you.
• 38:14
  Speaker 6: Have a guy who, to me, because he only got
• 38:17
  Speaker 6: two years, the opt out is huge. He gets to
• 38:20
  Speaker 6: rebuild his value and he's going to a team in
• 38:24
  Speaker 6: the Orioles, who everybody had this on their bingo card.
• 38:28
  Speaker 6: The Orioles are going to be the most active early
• 38:31
  Speaker 6: on here in the off season. Like, no, nobody saw that.
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: Have they signed the biggest contracts. No, But they're going
• 38:38
  Speaker 6: after the guys that they really wanted. They didn't think
• 38:41
  Speaker 6: Grayson was going to be there, so they went and
• 38:42
  Speaker 6: got a thirty plus homer Battan Taylor Ward. They added
• 38:46
  Speaker 6: Leode Tevers, smaller deal, not agreeing with it based on
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: who they have in the outfield, but they did it.
• 38:53
  Speaker 6: So they're moving. They're moving on the pieces that they want,
• 38:56
  Speaker 6: adding Kittridge, adding Hellsley, because I think they had the
• 39:00
  Speaker 6: most to do. Of teams that think they want to contend,
• 39:03
  Speaker 6: even though this past year was awful, they have the
• 39:06
  Speaker 6: most to do. They need starting pitching. They've essentially needed
• 39:09
  Speaker 6: to rebuild their bullpen because they don't have Bautista. They
• 39:14
  Speaker 6: don't have Unar Canoe, at least I don't think they
• 39:16
  Speaker 6: have canoe. They don't have they don't have Sir Anthony
• 39:20
  Speaker 6: Dimingez anymore. They are they really were down to the
• 39:23
  Speaker 6: bare bones and they can't screw it up again with
• 39:27
  Speaker 6: this window. So I love that they're going out hard
• 39:29
  Speaker 6: here at the beginning of the at the beginning of
• 39:31
  Speaker 6: the off season.
• 39:33
  Speaker 5: They do have Cano. He just had a brutal year.
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: I mean, he's really good.
• 39:35
  Speaker 4: In twenty four.
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: This past season fifty eight innings, five to one to two,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: Era really fell off.
• 39:44
  Speaker 4: It was bad.
• 39:45
  Speaker 5: Yeah, bad, he was bad.
• 39:47
  Speaker 4: He wasn't good. That's okay.
• 39:49
  Speaker 5: They have they have bullpen work to do.
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: I mean right now, Kittridge, Chilly, I mean, they're they're
• 39:56
  Speaker 3: they're doing the right things. They're making the right moves
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: right going to in the outfild. They're trying. But they
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: still need starters. They still need starting pitching. Who's that
• 40:05
  Speaker 3: going to be. I'm but I'm proud of them, Scott,
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: and I'm proud of what Crotch just said. They're going
• 40:10
  Speaker 3: out early, and they're targeting their guys, and they're getting
• 40:13
  Speaker 3: the deals done. Go sign the guys you want, Go
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: trade for the guys you want, and then worry about
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: the rest later because there's always those bargain guys you
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: can find right now.
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: Fourth power rankings a least for me, a lot of
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: offseason left to go, and Ken Rosenthal did say that
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: executives around the game.
• 40:29
  Speaker 5: Felt as if there was almost going to be a
• 40:32
  Speaker 5: sense of.
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: Desperation mode, which was music to the years of Orioles
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: fans for the front office to try and do things
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: and do things quickly, because you're right, Krats, they do
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: have a lot of work to do. The Blue Jays
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: are adding on to what they've just had, which was
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: almost the World Series title. The Yankees had Garrett Cole
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: coming back this season and plenty of other talent. You know,
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: they're going to do things. The Red Sox team like
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: they're going to do things. They've already added Sonny Gray.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: Those three teams look better right now on paper than
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: Baltimore and then there's Tampa Bay. They're not going to
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: be that active, although maybe things change with a new
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: ownership group. But do you guys have them any higher
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: than four right now in your power rankings in the
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: AL East?
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: Does it matter?
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: Does it matter?
• 41:10
  Speaker 3: It's December first, and you know what you had last year?
• 41:14
  Speaker 3: You had the Blue jaysus fifth in the AL East
• 41:16
  Speaker 3: at this time, and you know what, they went to
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: the World Series and should have maybe won it depending
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: on who you talk to.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: Why do we even do the show?
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: Why don't we just do the show for Game seven
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: of the World Series?
• 41:26
  Speaker 3: No, I'm just saying, doesn't matter. Secember first, verbal verbal
• 41:30
  Speaker 3: one go? Who cares he signed with the Mets and
• 41:33
  Speaker 3: they didn't make the playoffs.
• 41:34
  Speaker 6: And I will say that I will say I agree
• 41:38
  Speaker 6: that they're fourth. But this is also showing that any
• 41:42
  Speaker 6: team out there that thinks they have this like super core,
• 41:46
  Speaker 6: that's when you start pushing in. Because all of a sudden,
• 41:49
  Speaker 6: like Adlei Ruschman came up in twenty two, he was like,
• 41:54
  Speaker 6: that was when this core started to like get to
• 41:57
  Speaker 6: the big leagues. That was the first like way coming
• 42:00
  Speaker 6: to the big leagues. That's when they should have started
• 42:02
  Speaker 6: pushing in. But instead they traded their closer right when
• 42:06
  Speaker 6: they were like, I don't know what they were. I
• 42:08
  Speaker 6: think they ended like eighty one and eighty one that
• 42:10
  Speaker 6: year or something like that, and they traded away Pablo Lopez,
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: who was not Pablo Lopez, Jorge Lopez, And it was like,
• 42:18
  Speaker 6: why would you trade when you're close and all this stuff.
• 42:20
  Speaker 6: As soon as your core gets there, start pushing because
• 42:24
  Speaker 6: now we're fast forward in twenty twenty six. The Blue jaysuh,
• 42:27
  Speaker 6: nobody thought we're going to be there, are now pushing
• 42:31
  Speaker 6: to be better than they were last year as the
• 42:33
  Speaker 6: American League East champs. The Red Sox have a young core.
• 42:37
  Speaker 6: The Yankees are always going to be there. They're always
• 42:39
  Speaker 6: going to be a playoff team, and all of a sudden,
• 42:42
  Speaker 6: now your core has questions like push do some like
• 42:46
  Speaker 6: put your job on the line. In my opinion, if
• 42:48
  Speaker 6: you're running an organization right now, you have that core
• 42:51
  Speaker 6: like the Orioles had and they still kind of have,
• 42:54
  Speaker 6: but now they're playing ketchup and you don't want to
• 42:56
  Speaker 6: be playing ketchup. You need to be the big dog
• 42:59
  Speaker 6: out in front.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: We're hitting the futures market right now, because if you're
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: a baseball fan and you're missing games, that's really all
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: you can do. You can hit the futures market and
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: decide on what you things is gonna happen next year.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I mean, this one's always pretty close. But World Series
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: winning league right now. National Leagues at minus won thirty
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: American Leagues at plus one hundred. National League gets the
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: edge partially thanks or many thanks to the Dodgers who
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: have won back to back titles, and there are other
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: talented teams in there too. Would you what would you
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: do here, AJ if I gave you one hundred? National League?
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Thrown it on?
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: How many times did we go over the power rankings?
• 43:40
  Speaker 4: Every time?
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: Producer Lady made us go over the power rankings. It
• 43:43
  Speaker 3: was all it was National League, Nation League, National League, Nationallyague,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Nation League. Oh, then yours an American League team at
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: like six. Not that much has changed again, it's just
• 43:50
  Speaker 3: number first cut.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: Okay, Kratz the same.
• 43:56
  Speaker 6: Now we'll go to National League because most of the
• 43:58
  Speaker 6: year we were going National League, National League, Tigers, National
• 44:02
  Speaker 6: League nationally and you saw what happened with the Tigers.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Just right now. The National League is better.
• 44:07
  Speaker 6: They are a better group of teams, So why would
• 44:11
  Speaker 6: you not put that money? And if I was getting
• 44:13
  Speaker 6: maybe like plus one forty with the American League, then
• 44:15
  Speaker 6: I'd may be like a, you know what, I kind
• 44:19
  Speaker 6: of like those numbers, but no, I need I need
• 44:22
  Speaker 6: that National League minus one thirty easy.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: I feel that the plus a hondo is not sexy enough.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: Maybe that tilts at some point in the offseason, but
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: not right now. Okay, the offer out there for you
• 44:37
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• 45:28
  Speaker 5: Damn. That show flew.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: Okay, So last licks here that I want to get
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: to is the Anthony Rendon story that we actually did cover.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: So we had our last show on Wednesday. That story
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: broke maybe thirty minutes after the show, so we ended
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: up doing what we call a little breakout video, so
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: we did a little quickie video reaction on YouTube. AJ
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: wasn't there for that, so we wanted to get his
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: thoughts on this, and I did a lot of back
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: and forth in the comments AJ, because when we did
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: this segment, AJ, Kevin l I was on and he
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: started with Anthony Rendon as misunderstood and once he said
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: that everyone lost their minds.
• 46:06
  Speaker 3: I can only you know what's funny is I actually
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: did see that clip and I felt bad for Polar
• 46:11
  Speaker 3: because he did play with him for a little while.
• 46:13
  Speaker 3: He's here's where he's not misunderstood though he doesn't play,
• 46:16
  Speaker 3: so he's not misunderstood he doesn't play. And here's my
• 46:18
  Speaker 3: other thing about this. They want to buy me. If
• 46:20
  Speaker 3: I'm Anthony Rendon and I listen, I am Anthony Rendon
• 46:23
  Speaker 3: and I don't know each other. We played against the
• 46:25
  Speaker 3: other very little bit when he first came up with
• 46:27
  Speaker 3: the Nationals, and he was a really good right handed hitter,
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: and this and that. But I almost say this, if
• 46:31
  Speaker 3: I'm Anthony Rendon and they come to me and I
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: don't know what they're coming to them with, but they're like, hey,
• 46:35
  Speaker 3: we want to defer money. And then I listened to
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: Scott Bron talk. I say, no, I'm not defer money.
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: Release me and pay me what Yomi. Don't try to
• 46:43
  Speaker 3: buy me out and push money back. We signed a contract.
• 46:46
  Speaker 3: I want my money now. So that's what Scott Bron said,
• 46:49
  Speaker 3: because then five years from now it's worthless. So pay
• 46:52
  Speaker 3: me with Yomi and we move on. And I'm not
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: on any side in this fight other than the fact
• 46:58
  Speaker 3: that they signed a guaranteed contract and it's time to go.
• 47:04
  Speaker 5: Is that just me or no, No, that was just you. No,
• 47:08
  Speaker 5: it's just me. I cannot hear anything right now, Okay,
• 47:10
  Speaker 5: go Kreutz.
• 47:12
  Speaker 6: I said all my pieces about it, but I agree
• 47:16
  Speaker 6: like this. Hopefully it can be amendable in the sense
• 47:20
  Speaker 6: that he's still going to get his thirty six million dollars,
• 47:23
  Speaker 6: I think. But I think it's something that you know,
• 47:26
  Speaker 6: he can be willing to push it down the road,
• 47:31
  Speaker 6: help him out with some of the taxes part of it.
• 47:33
  Speaker 4: Nobody.
• 47:35
  Speaker 6: I think Rendon and the Angels both want this to
• 47:37
  Speaker 6: go away, but it's not going to until this gets
• 47:41
  Speaker 6: figured out, ironed out, and then you won't hear from Anthony,
• 47:45
  Speaker 6: Rendon and the Angels anymore about this.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: True, they both wanted to go away. But speaking of
• 47:53
  Speaker 3: going away, I have a quick comment for you, and
• 47:56
  Speaker 3: I was not on. I was on vacation and you guys,
• 47:59
  Speaker 3: said Kevin Kirmiron, and he brought up my comments, and
• 48:03
  Speaker 3: I stand by what I said. Kratz, And I want
• 48:05
  Speaker 3: to know because if I would have been on the show,
• 48:07
  Speaker 3: and I want him to come back on, who are
• 48:09
  Speaker 3: the teams that called you? How many teams? Name the teams? Kevin?
• 48:12
  Speaker 3: Bring it on, because then I want to know what
• 48:14
  Speaker 3: they're offering you. Hey, they're offering you to come to
• 48:16
  Speaker 3: spring training for a day or two and they're not
• 48:18
  Speaker 3: going to hire you. And yes, there are mental skills
• 48:21
  Speaker 3: coaches that talk to different things and talk to different teams,
• 48:24
  Speaker 3: and I get that, but not outfield coaches that I've
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: ever found. And I'm all for it if he can
• 48:28
  Speaker 3: figure it out, because I want that job. I want
• 48:30
  Speaker 3: to be a catchup coach for all thirty teams. So Kevin,
• 48:33
  Speaker 3: name the team so we can figure it out and
• 48:35
  Speaker 3: let me know when you get that job, because I'm
• 48:37
  Speaker 3: for it. But also I stand by what I said
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: until I see it. I won't believe it. When I
• 48:41
  Speaker 3: see it, I believe it because you know what, I
• 48:43
  Speaker 3: once played for the Saint Louis Cardinals and they are
• 48:45
  Speaker 3: in the show me state, So show me, Kevin.
• 48:48
  Speaker 6: Okay, I appreciate that. And we loved it that he
• 48:51
  Speaker 6: called you out. And he's keeping receipts. So next time,
• 48:54
  Speaker 6: next time jan k comes on, we want to we
• 48:57
  Speaker 6: want to know. We'll find out what teams he went to.
• 48:59
  Speaker 6: And because it's not gonna be a secret, he's gonna
• 49:01
  Speaker 6: be trolling around, but we'll go to Krats hats. How
• 49:04
  Speaker 6: can I not when my guy, Zach Britton's coming on
• 49:07
  Speaker 6: wear an O's hat, very classic O's. I feel like
• 49:10
  Speaker 6: I can wear a hat all year. He is not
• 49:14
  Speaker 6: a Yankee. I love that you asked that question. He
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: played for the Yankees, but he was not remembered as
• 49:19
  Speaker 6: a Yankee. He will be the dominant closer of the
• 49:21
  Speaker 6: team that came up a little short. Came up a
• 49:25
  Speaker 6: little short, but it wasn't his fault. Tomorrow's guest list,
• 49:32
  Speaker 6: we have Max Munci, We've got FP Santangelo from Splashit Territory,
• 49:38
  Speaker 6: and your favorite senior insider, Ken Rosenthal. Oh and don't forget, Yes,
• 49:45
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  Speaker 6: merch also, and a j I know it's go and
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  Speaker 6: type of head, So get yourself. Never whoever beanies never.
• 50:11
  Speaker 6: And by the way, bear down, bitch, bear down. Best
• 50:16
  Speaker 6: record in the NFC. As you said, krats. The Bears
• 50:20
  Speaker 6: are so good, You're so good. Bears are so good.
• 50:23
  Speaker 4: That's what I text the name Ride the Highs, Ride
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  Speaker 4: the Highs,