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Episode 19 with Pay Chen: A Lasting Gen X Friendship · Feedbag with Nat Lauzon

• nat w pay: Okay, I'm just gonna go from the success part. ⁓ How are you feeling over there? What part did it not record? I don't know. Let's just start a whole new thing. Yeah, I'm starting a whole new thing. So I wanna ask you, ⁓ so and I wanna get into like like advice you might give other people who wanna pivot or are ex you know just marry rich. And about the importance of like having cool women around you 'cause you talked about that a lot today. ⁓ ⁓ are we recording right now? Yes. Are we recording right now? We sure are. Are we recording right now? We sure the hell are. do you remember? ⁓ because we've known each other for so long. ⁓ do you think it's weird that we've lived apart as friends like so much longer than we've lived in the same city? I know. It's weird, ⁓ But because so and I say that because the fact that we lived in the same city for only a couple of years, like th four years of university and then a couple of years afterwards. And then you moved to Montreal, like in our early twenties. and I think it says a lot that we are still like really good friends. But also I'm not amazing at always initiating staying in touch. Like, you know, some people are really great at like constantly like checking in and keeping it going, I'm a I fade out for a while, then it's like, hey, jump back in like no time has passed. I'm like that with my high school friends. Yeah. I'm the I'm the same way with you though. And also, isn't it great to have friends like that when you're when you both know, ⁓ you have your life and no shade. Like Yeah, like I mean I have nothing to say for a month and then it's like something random. A lot of the stuff that we talk about now is about perimenopause or do you remember when? So we're we've gotten to that stage of life. Yeah. Do you remember that time? Yeah. Or like, no, I don't remember that time. Actually, that's a big one now. It's like do no, I don't. Like I absolutely do not remember that time at all. I know. It's perimenopause is a big kid. I can blame it on perimenopause, but I also had a shit memory in my twenties and thirties. Yeah, me too. So now I think I'm just more tired. So I use that excuse for a lot of things. I'm tired too. I'm tired now. Do you ⁓ I'm tired right now too. I feel very extremely tired. ⁓ Let's just like dodo. Just keep it rolling. I this f feels like a lot of work and also I don't know if your dog smells like farts or like ⁓ he might be farting. He's on a new food F$% F$% sake. I'm like it's kinda smells like Yeah, he does. Yeah. Yeah, agree. Yes. Yes. Yeah. He doesn't usually smell gross. And he's farting. Like I don't ⁓ It's just Yeah, well, he's a dog. It's all the things. Why do you come to my house and insult? Do you mean Okay, I had a dog. I just want you to know that he just I'm smelling farts. Do you remember when you called my dog fat? My other dog? No. Arty. My little chihuahua, you like Chachi, you call you called him fat like a lot. I don't think I did. You really did. Because I don't think he was. Was he? Was he a little bit? He was little fat ⁓ But I He was like a three pound Chihuahua that was eight pounds. So it was like he He was a little bit overweight, but not crazy. His vet said he wasn't, but he did look a bit fluffy. Did you not have him on diet on a diet food for a bit? No, that was my most recent dog. Not the one you called fat. My most my dog before him was fat, like legit. ⁓ okay, okay. But Lincoln, anyway. You just have what you looking at? I'm trying to think. do you ⁓ wait. What do you remember? No. That's do you no? That is actually how our conversation starts. Like, do you no, I don't. Like you need to tell me. And also who is one more time. ⁓ we have a group, a small group. of friends from university. What I really think is really special, and I think a lot of people probably have this in their lives too, is you bond very quickly and closely with some people because it's a very pivotal time in your life. Yeah. ⁓ and so it's not about how long you spent with those people because you could at a job have spent so much like you know, ten years or more ⁓ very closely with someone and but like we're all going through those exact same new discoveries at the same time. Yeah. and so I always think it's nice when I meet people like especially like w once you pass like your late thirties or forties when a lot of people tend to have families and so their lives become busy in a different way. ⁓ and when they talk about staying in touch with a childhood friend or a high school friend, but they don't live anywhere in that city anymore. I always think that's so nice. Yeah. 'Cause and it's it depends. Like some people are really great at staying in touch, but I think for the most part, people just sort of like drift in and out. And it's like you just kind of pick up where you you know, left off. Yeah. And then and and it's like the ones that you stay close with, there's some sort of commonality, but it's not I'm not even sure that I can put my finger on what it is. Well, I think it I think it's like like you said, it's a pivotal time of life. We're all in a different city for the first time in our life. It's our first year of university. Plus, we're in the same qu living space. Like you're forced to we live in residence because we were from out of province. Or not well, you're out of the town. Yeah. So ⁓ definitely I think like pro you're just your friends just by virtue of proximity, but also because you have no family there. Yeah. You have no you're just like we are just here now and we're creating our own family. But we could have been with some real assholes and then just felt really stuck. There probably were assholes. We just didn't gravitate towards them. I think our program was pretty good though. We we got a lot of very successful people out of our program. Like in our year and just in the program alone, like incredibly successful people. Should we list them or is that rude? You could list them. I don't remember lots of them. I mean in this moment I can't remember anything. Are you thinking of like Jay Onrait. Yeah I'm thinking of Jay, but I'm thinking of Mark's case. ⁓ my gosh. Right? Yes. Our friends Mark Bishop, Matt Hornburg who are now like co CEOs of a massive production company and sold their own production company. Yeah. Miss Pay Chen. You know, the and a lot of people who are really successful behind the scenes people like Mark Lysakowski who's you Amazing Race Canada, and all kinds of really, you know, big Canadian shows. ⁓ there's there's a lot of people, not They may not be household names. Yeah. ⁓ but they've done pretty great things. Yeah, it's pretty it's pretty cool. That was a that was a fun program. I feel like it didn't need to be four years. It didn't need to be four years because until we entered it was three years. Yeah, and we were there. And our fourth year was we were just left on our own. Yeah, it's like they just took a year of our tuition. That was what it was. Yeah, yeah. We're just give us extra money and whatever. It didn't need to be that. ⁓ so As a freelancing person, like I wanna talk about like okay, me for instance. Yeah. I was fired for the first time in my professional career, which is like thirty-six years or so. ⁓ for the fur and you talk about being without benefits. Like I've never not had benefits. And so I'm kind of sort of figuring out what I'm gonna do next. And I'm fifty and my skill set is what I did, which was radio. ⁓ I'm sure I have other transferable skills, but maybe not. Or not. Podcasting? I don't know. Defin definitely not like set up like like camera shit. but if there I and there are a lot of women in midlife who find themselves in positions like me. Yeah. I was fired, I was made redundant, I was like, my job no longer exists. What am I gonna do now? Plus, I'm in perimenopause, I have aging parents, I have kids to look, like it's a real cluster bad. blank of BS. Yeah. What would you say to women like that who suddenly find themselves, ⁓ so what do I do now? Yeah. I mean, I think it's it's hard. Like there's already like life is already hard enough as it is. and I've been like self employed, which some of us just call partially employed. I'm underemployed. Yeah. That's what I call ⁓ you know, for a while. So when people like it's ⁓ I have some friends who'll be like, I can't believe my dental coverage only covered 60% of my ⁓ only 60%. I'm forking out a hundred percent for all of my medical bills. ⁓ and I've been doing that for over a decade. So I you know, in terms of like what to say to someone, like it's it's shitty. It's not shitty. See you later. Yeah. I mean, I think it would be dishonest to to make it sound like ⁓ the best. the best years are yet to come. They could be really great years. And if anything, you know, it's hard to have like a blanket piece of advice, I guess, because not everyone has the privilege of buying themselves time. Some people have different financial obligations in that they cannot afford a little time to discover what they really like. Or lean into hobbies or start writing that book they've always wanted to write or you know create that Etsy shop for the ⁓ you know really great jewelry they've been making. Those are all great things if you can if you have the luxury of time to do them. Not everyone and a lot of people do not because they still have kids that have soccer or you know ⁓ hockey to pay for Like you said, aging parents, like people don't always have the financial freedom to take a month off as a breather, you know? ⁓ so yes, I would say if you do have the ability to think about what you really enjoy doing, especially if there was something that's always been in the back of your mind of like, ⁓ I really, really wanna do This, you know, I I I I use the example of writing a book because that takes time and energy. ⁓ and you think, well, you know, now I have this I have the time, you know, can I devote this few weeks or few months? ⁓ amazing if you can. I I know that not everyone can, so it's hard to say, you know, pursue your passions. It's really easy to have someone say, like, what do you love to do? Yeah, yeah, it is. Yeah. ⁓ 'cause it's not always gonna make money. So I guess what I would preface it by saying is if you have some Flexibility with your time, think about what makes you happy. Because I think we can often go through the motions of like, this is a job, I like it, you know, or I like it enough. ⁓ my coworkers are fine, my projects are fine, it pays me okay because I can take a vacation, you know, every once in a while. ⁓ and if you find yourself going, What have I been doing all of this time? Or ⁓ Do I want to keep doing this? Like, would you like to get another role that was very similar to what you just did? And if the answer is no, then find a way to pursue some the thing that lights you up. That's exciting. It is so much easier said than done. It is. Because a lot of it requires you to create it yourself in some way. And that's hard. That takes time, and time is money. So ⁓ but I also say find a community. I think that's a really, really big one. And that doesn't have to t cost you money. Like it, whether it is ⁓ groups or clubs, or if it's, you know, on online, like ⁓ you know, maybe through Facebook or Instagram or what have you, like find like-minded people. and there because there are ways that you could improve your skills, ⁓ network. I think that's a big one. I think if we come out of ⁓ a job where that we've been in for a really long time, we may not have a network. And that is so important because a lot of my work, almost all of my work, comes from referral. ⁓ which is other people knowing about me, saying, you know, pay is great, pay could do it. I also have the advantage of having a job that is ⁓ very visible. So it's people might can actually see what I do and go, yeah. this tie this fits for what we're looking for. That is an advantage ⁓ that I have. ⁓ but if you ask me like what my resume says, my last time I d had a resume, it was maybe 20 years ago. Yeah. So ⁓ in a lot of maybe creative roles, it is your ⁓ your resume is just the work that you have out there. And now with Google or like, you know, with social media. I know it's ⁓ And I would say too for you know, I guess it's hard to talk broadly. So I'll just say if someone has any sort of like creative leaning, so maybe it's even if it's like graphic design or it's ⁓ some sort of I use Etsy as an example, lock of so there's so many crafty people out there, whether you're making pillows or jewelry or you know, what have you, ⁓ you need to put that online because it's free for you to put it online. So that is either your own Instagram or creating one. ⁓ figuring out what's popular on TikTok. Like those things cost you some time but they don't have to necessarily cost you ⁓ like hard money. No, they don't. And neither does networking and neither does talking to people. So it's you know, it's it's being ⁓ open to talking to people. ⁓ I'm kinda newer to LinkedIn. I wasn't using it before and now I'm I haven't gotten any work through LinkedIn, but it's I can see what my peers are up to. Yeah. ⁓ I can see also what's available. Like I've seen jobs on LinkedIn that I think, ⁓ my friend would be great for that. That might interest so and so. And you just like, you know, and I think a big thing for ⁓ I think a big thing for women who find themselves in a situation where their work is ⁓ maybe like unstable or unpredictable, is to remember that it's not just about you. Like you can't constantly be asking people for things. You also have to be really aware of what you can do to help other people. And you might feel like what what can I can do? You ⁓ you can forward job postings to people. You can when you hear a friend say, ⁓ you know, we're looking for a sales manager in our, you know, company and you have nothing to do with sales, is go, who do I know who works in sales? And it you need to also actively put effort into connecting people you know. Yeah. And I really believe in that because ⁓ it's also very it also feels nice when someone sends you a note and says, thank you so much for referring so and so. They were amazing. And you're like, I'm really proud that I picked out a good person for that role. But there's when we say give and take, that's the give part. Yeah. Just because you are in need of of work or exposure or whatever doesn't mean that you rise to the top of the of the list. And I say that because I do get a lot of people contacting me. ⁓ can you promote this? Can you help me with this? Can you put my this on TV? And like that's fine. Like I don't mind that. And that's also a great way for me to discover ⁓ new products or new businesses. But some people are extremely aggressive and feel this entitlement to like, well, I just don't know why you're not putting my sauce on This show. And it's like, because I just put five sauces on that are similar to yours. And I don't owe you anything. Yeah. So reach out to people, yes, because that's part of networking. ⁓ but be really careful of sounding like they owe you something. Yeah. Keep ⁓ keep other people top of mind also while you are also pursuing, you know, looking for work or yeah, and I ⁓ and I think we have to also ⁓ as women too. Is really be supportive of other women, even if they're doing the same thing or selling the same product as you. Like I really do believe that, you know, there's enough work for everyone, which sounds a little silly, but I have a lot of friends who do the exact same thing that I do. ⁓ and sometimes you go, ⁓ I didn't get that job, and so-and-so got it. But I think that if you are really like if you just have a true friendship and like you're really supporting people is just to believe that it was not meant for you and that what is meant for you might come afterwards. Yeah or might be something different or or what have you. ⁓ I think it is really toxic and it's a little too rampant. ⁓ that women f hold their cards so close to their chest with other women. Because in my experience I have found it to be a misnomer that That people say women are catty and don't want to help other women. I my experience has been the opposite. Yeah. So I do you th is that so? Do you think? ⁓ you are very specific, right? Like your network is in boardrooms of a ⁓ bunch of people, and projects that involve multiple teams that crossover, like y so I would say that yours is like it's a tight network. And so your tight network supports each other, just the same as like I have a very tight network of people that do what I do and we're very supportive of each other. The broader projects that are like ⁓ that involve a lot of other decision makers and a lot of other hands in there, ⁓ it can become challenging because it's fewer women involved in this grand scheme of things. And am I involved in it so much? No, because I'm sort of like one of the last people to be hired on anything. ⁓ but I do think that there's a lot more there's a lot more progress to be made and I think it's happening, but it really just depends on the individual and like if you are in a much like smaller niche sort of capacity. It's funny because I would have thought that like a smaller niche would be more competition for the same jobs and a therefore more like don't step on my toe. I think it could be. And I think you could also just be very lucky in that you've got a really good group of people, right? Yeah, yeah. Whereas like I also think it really it really depends it depends Yeah. Like I am lucky in that I you know have worked with some really amazing women who are very supportive and always looking out for each other. And so you but you need everyone to be similar in that way. Right. Everyone has to ha have a bit of the same mentality. One of the things like when we're talking about Women like looking for new jobs or whatnot. I think something that people don't think about, and especially if if women have been in jobs for decades and then they get fired or it ends or whatever, and then they find themselves going, ⁓ my god, I can't do anything else. Yeah. You have to take a broader look at your actual life and see what your skills are within your life. Yeah. Like if you're if you were like a I don't know, a project manager. You have organizational skills. Yeah. If you like had were a boss and had people working under you, you can you can do a leadership role. Like maybe you have accounting skills or like QuickBooks or whatever. Or even like if you're a mom, you have to have a certain like skill set and all of those things. Yeah. And all those things are like organization and tra all of those d look at all the aspects of your life and see where all what those skills are that you can transfer to a new job because you're not like twenty with no not no skill sets built up. Yeah. You're you're like 50 with all this stuff that you can do. So you're not going in with no experience. You're going in with 50 years of experience. I do think that a lot of people will realize that they kind of have to create a job for themselves. That's true too, yeah. Less likely that, you know, there's just like and I know from friends who have applied to jobs now that it's all sort of like automated and filtered by keywords, so it doesn't your resume doesn't necessarily land on someone's desk like it used to. Yeah. ⁓ it's so you could be so great, but you're just filtered out. Like no one ever sees ⁓ your resume and you could be perfect for the role. And I think that can be ⁓ demoralizing and and obviously exhausting. And me I think more women need to start thinking about how do I create the role I want. ⁓ versus I'm just gonna wait for the role that I want. But like in some roles, like that is just how it it has to be. Like if you work in sales, you can't just be like, I'm just gonna make up sales. Like you are like so it depends on the role, but in many cases, you know, you will have to shift your mentality to, okay, let me create a job that I'm qualified for. Okay, yeah. Okay, yep. Th see, this sometimes happens where he's like, ⁓ Like no one's asking me anything. Yeah, he's like, okay, Bolt Bolt, what do you think women should do when they find themselves out of work he's actually listening. When they find themselves out of work, they should do that. You need to put a little ⁓ little speech bubble up here. ⁓ He has very important things to say. He's got lots to say. Lots to say. ⁓ I really do think though, like the main thing is like we s we say networking all the time. ⁓ but I do think that when you connect with people in similar positions, or in the it but it also could be in a world that you don't have a lot of experience in. But those sort of ⁓ those are the relationships that I think you'll learn the most from. But also learning from, but also you are just gonna feel like you're going fucking crazy half the time. So it's really good to have someone who knows without having more explain it. Right. Yeah. Because the most exhausting thing is to just, you know, vent about being irritated by someone or something. And then having another person say, Well, but what about and you're like, no, that doesn't make any sense. And then it's more it's you're more angry because now you have to explain why it was frustrating in the first place. Right. I don't want that. Okay. I don't want that for you either. Thanks. ⁓ okay So and I think maybe I have What's here? ⁓ shit, I have to give this shit away too. Okay. let's do some fast. I'm gonna do some vis there's some rapid fires, K. Okay. You wanna sit here? Come here. Okay, bye. Hey, no. No. Lay down. Lay down. Down. I don't know what you're digging for. Down. Do I look like I'm not wearing pants? What? Do I look like I'm not wearing pants? I hope so. Like I really do look like I'm I'm wearing shorts. No one is seeing them. I'm wearing shorts. Yeah, but look at how nice your legs are. Look at those legs. I just want people to know I'm holy. Well sit down. But now I will cover it so it they they can't tell. You look like a someone should be feeding you grapes in a fig leaf or something. Well hey, down. Hey, down. Okay. ⁓ for the love of here's some rap raps. Here's some rapid fires. Okay, raps. They might not be that rapid. What are you saying yes to now that you would have said no to at 30? ⁓ dinner at five thirty. Yes. what's something you've completely changed your mind about? ⁓ early bedtimes. ⁓ I love all these answers. What part of yourself has become stronger with age? I would say my mouth. Like I have no filter. No, I do have a filter. I filter a lot. I have less filter. I have no f#$ks to give. Yeah, I get that. Totally get it. ⁓ you know, so what has become stronger is ⁓ like ⁓ can't think of the word, might have to Google it. your mmm your say nous yeah like when people say like to have a thick skin it's like your thick your skin is resiliency but I know what you mean. Like your ⁓ like I'm not that sensitive anymore. ⁓ yeah. It's just like look if you don't like me I actually don't care. I don't care. Yeah. But isn't it nice? It's nice. Yeah it's great to not give a shit. Yeah I get it. What part of yourself have you let go of? My whole body? No You're really setting me up for that. I really let myself go. No, I just said I don't need this. ⁓ what have I let myself go? What have you let what have you been like? not as important anymore. ⁓ not like ⁓ mm, not as important anymore. It's a kind of a bad question. I guess you were a bad question. Okay. ⁓ What are you excited for for the next chapter? ⁓ early dinners, early bedtimes. And ⁓ I mean I I hopefully more projects with friends. Yeah. I would love that. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. It's not a like ⁓ money making thing. I would like but I would like to still make money. I just want that to be clear. Yeah. ⁓ So would I But like I think what the the level of personal satisfaction comes from enjoying the people and also surrounding myself with good people. I just want to surround myself with good people all the time. I have no more I I had like some people in my life that were quote unquote toxic or we just didn't jive. And when I let those people go, Well, stop licking your toes. When I let those people go, yeah, all that was left in my life were just the cool people. And it feels so nice. Yes. Yeah. Yes. It's just like, ⁓ I actually want to see this person. I don't have to like brace myself for like No, and that's the worst. When you have to like, I don't know, either it's like psych yourself up or like just be a little bit guarded before seeing some And I think, yeah, there's always that like, ⁓ okay. Or this I let go of the sense of obligation. Yeah. ⁓ I'm not perfect at it. There's still a little, you know, nagging feeling. I'm like, ⁓ yeah, you know, I should see that or do that or whatever, go to this person's party, whatever. ⁓ but for the most part, like just not feeling like I have to say yes. Yeah, people are easy. Yeah. But you just keep the easy people Honestly, the th one of the best things about moving through life past like mid late thirties, like getting into 40, was learning to say no a lot more. And I'm a lot of people have said and this is the thing, people say it to you, but you're not there yet. And then when you get there, you're like, ⁓ this is what it means. Yeah. ⁓ okay. Yes. I understand why everyone was saying like no is just so it it's it's a full sentence. I was just gonna say, no is a complete sentence. I don't think it's gonna explain myself. I can just I can just what? I said you I just said it and then you just said it. Then I just said it. We both just said it. We both just said it. Yes. The end. ⁓ is there anything else you would like to add? ⁓ any dumb stories you wanna tell? I should post some photos of us. Yeah, you should post photos of us. I would say, let's make this about me for a second. Yeah, go. Cause I have one particular example in mind. I'm just wondering if you're gonna say it. what you always brought up people what what? Go. What makes okay, no, let me rephrase this. what is an example of something that makes me a good friend? And it sounds extremely egotistical as a question. It's not. But I have an example that I'm wondering if you will say. That was all the whole transition of O's. ⁓ yeah. I have one I was thinking of something nice and flowery, which is also true. But at the same time I was thinking of a specific experience, which is also true, which I don't know if I should tell. Do you want me to tell? Do okay, say the nice one first. The nice one Because that one I wouldn't think of that one. The nice one is You always you are always doing nice little things. ⁓ thanks. No, but it's true. Like when you are go when you go somewhere or if you get like some cool like products or you know, but it's true. And you're like, ⁓ so and so would love this and yeah, you know, and you sent me like I you sent me a calendar recently, which is on my desk. You sent me a r an art calendar of artists and their dogs. And you just I did. I did you she just sent it in the mail like, hey, I thought you'd really like this. And it's always like in support of something, a cause or a local artist or something Canadian or it's always something really nice. So you actually always put a lot of care and thought behind things that you send. ⁓ thank you. Which I and you do it unprompted. ⁓ Which I think makes you a really good friend. I'm a little bit weepy. It's true. I do actually because I'm hoping for a gift in return, but it never happens. I'm kidding. No. That's true. I don't do shit. But also the other time she plunged my sh#% That's it. I was like basically thinking of the story and going, How can I phrase a question to get the answer that I want? Yeah. Which is a really like unfair journalist. You got both answers. You got good answers. You gave me a leading question. Yeah. But ⁓ I was like, I'm gonna guide you into this answer. Yeah, but you got both answers. I got both honored them both. I got the answer I didn't even know about. So perfect. Yeah. So let's give context. You were stay Were you staying at my place then? Yeah. Okay. So and I know yeah, go. I was my first apartment on my own, which out was right after university because I had we I lived in residence, I had roommates, and my first apartment on my own was ⁓ a little basement apartment. We actually all moved into basement apartments because that's all we could afford. In the same hood. In the same area. and the ceilings were super low. They were also the popcorn ceilings, so and I'm not very tall, ⁓ If I was getting changed, I would scrape my knuckles on the popcorn ceiling. And so I actually developed a habit where I would crouch and then get dr it was a really bug I would just like do that. ⁓ it was a it was such an old little house. I liked your a basement apartment. I liked it. I liked it except for the potato bugs. Because I had potato bugs. They would come up through the ⁓ bathtub drain and it just ⁓ ⁓ and also there was no light. So there was like zero. I lived in darkness. But like you said before, your first thing is always the best thing, right? My first apartment was my is like, ⁓ this is the greatest. ⁓ I never thought it was great. I just it was all I could afford. Like I never never thought it was great. I liked great. I liked your apartment. But I was like, This is what I can afford was complete darkness. ⁓ and you I guess we're probably staying the only reason you would have been staying over is because you were moving, so you had given up your place 'cause otherwise you didn't need to You didn't eat Well I know why I cause I know what I did the night before. Would you do the night before? Because I don't I don't think I maybe I I don't know what the scenario was. We didn't hang out at my place though. So I must have Was it when you were moving? I don't know, but I got really drunk the night before. We went to a house party and I wasn't you going away? No. It was somebody else's house party and like a bunch of us went and I had like I bought like a Mickey of something. Yeah. And you're like, in your twenties, there's no such thing as a hangover. Like a little McDonald's and you're good to go the next day, right? And I drank so much and I was loaded. And so the next morning there was a crisis. It's just really okay. So Nat come remember this is a basement apartment. It is like 500 square feet. ⁓ Nat comes running out of the bathroom and she's like, Emergency, emergency Do you know the story? You're learning things about your mother today. No. ⁓ and she's like, emergency, emergency. I'm like, what? And then I don't even know if you said it or if you just started laughing. I don't know. But she's like, I clogged your toilet. And what was happening was she just ran from the washroom. The water was rising and not. Because that was the panic, was that it was going to flood. It rising. It was just like the toilet was rising because she'd clogged it. And I'm like, the fuck? Like running in there. And I don't know. I ought like I must have like you know it ⁓ it doesn't actually overflow because it, you know, there's something that pays up there. And ⁓ and then I plunged it and and n I plunged it because she was useless. And then now I was so in awe. You were just like, emergency emergency. You didn't clock You did me the plunger. You didn't give me the plunger. I was like, I will never understand ⁓ why plunged. ⁓ My poo, instead of saying here, like she did it. And I'm like, I don't know if it's the cause she's an older sibling or cause it was her. Probably I don't know why she plunged my poop. What kind of friend is this? Like, wow. The best. So yeah, so she she plunged my poop. And remember you saying, I can't believe you plunged my shit. I just don't remember you looking very useful. Like I just Right, because I was probably like. Laughing. Both. You were both. And worried that your toilet was gonna overflow. I was worried about that too. ⁓ that moment of when the water is rising and you're like, ⁓ no. Right, Bolt? That moment. I know. Can you tell the story? Hang on to go blow my nose. Okay. I'm I know, I want this story. So because beca Bolt, come on now. Because because like okay, stop Well I don't know where you think you're going. ⁓ my god, I can't I need to pee. Okay, wait. I'm gonna wrap things up and then I have to do my giveaway. Hang on. Stop. Bolt Bolt If that's your real name. Down. Am I wearing pants? No pants. It's the pantless podcast episode. Okay. Can you just tell the story quickly about ⁓ because ⁓ people do you know which one? Do you know? No, I was gonna say one, but you won't like it. Is it about cause you always bring up who I made out with. ⁓ She always makes up a track bitch? She always brings up who I made out with in Nat would make out with anyone because she felt bad for them. That's not true. It's a little bit true. It was ⁓ Lauzon would be like, ⁓ I think this guy thinks I like him, but I don't like him, and he's gonna want to make out with me, so I guess I will wanna hurt his feelings. Yeah, she Okay, it did kind of happen sometimes. But he also said that I made out with and I did not. I did not. I never said you made out with him. You kissed him. It was not by choice. She had no choice. No. No, it was because we were at our end of your party and he just came up to me and grabbed me. I was shocked. I was shocked. He only did it with Natus Nat was so nice to everyone. So everyone thought that they had a shot with Nat. They thought they Yes, that was. Okay. So what's the story you want me to tell? Because you didn't want me to tell that one. Okay. ⁓ can you tell the story about how like pe because you've been on TV for so long, people recognize you but they don't know how. Yeah. And you were at a party. And? Do you want me to tell it? And the guy was like, How do I know you? But it happens to me all the time. ⁓ but there's Yeah. Wait closer to the mic if you I is this the one where 'cause this is obviously our early twenties. Was it his or someone else's? I think that but he was a guest at that party and he kept being like, Who are you? And you would never like be like, ⁓ because you didn't want to like And I was honestly very early in my career. Like I didn't have my first on air job, I was about twenty five. And then we would have this would have been in our twenties when we were going out. ⁓ and we were at a I think you actually remember it better than I do. Because I loved it. Because ⁓ We're at a party and then a guy's like, How do I know you? How do I know you? Or you look really familiar, whatever. And then I don't know, did I say anything or does it? No, you were 'cause you were you I 'cause you were kind of like, ⁓ you never really volunteer that information because it was I didn't assume it because whenever I the few times that I would say to someone, ⁓ well I don't know if you like I I'm on Omni and maybe when you're and people would go, No, I don't watch TV. So I'm like, ⁓ okay fine. Well then I don't know. Yeah. So at this point this guy and he was drunk. He was really he was really kept asking you like how do I know you? How do I know and you're like, I don't know, dude. I don't you might have said Omni and he was like no. Yeah, exactly. Like dismiss it. Like no, I don't watch that. No, no. And then later in the night he was like, I know How I know you and you were like, ⁓ how? Cause you didn't know him. Yeah, I didn't know. And he was like, You were the girl at my party who shit on my bed. And I wasn't. I mean I just want to be clear that I She never shat on any bed. No, no. And it was like I didn't you know that moment of like, ⁓ now I know. I'm like, ⁓ okay, he's clocked in. And then it's like, no, no. ⁓ ⁓ which time? Minnie Minnie. ⁓ my god. This woman okay, that one so you know who else remembers this story? Andrew Hashey. ⁓ like he remembers this story and it's like a story. 20 year old story. And I remember because I was on the subway during the day because I had c was going into work late that day because I was having ⁓ a filling. So my mouth was frozen. And I'm standing in the subway and this woman was looking at me and sh and then she's like I know you. And I and I was like, ⁓ hi. And plus I'm like, ⁓ hi. And she's like, ⁓ she goes, I know you. You're the girl from Omni. And I was like, uh-huh. And also like in that moment, I'm like really 'please'... now yeah. Yeah. And she goes, Look at you, skinny mini. You don't show skinny on TV. Thank you. Right. What how do you even r what do you say to that? What do you even respond to that? And also who would ever say that? Do you know that one time I was at ⁓ you probably do, but it I was at Lawblaws and I was ⁓ probably in my late twenties, ⁓ I was paying ⁓ my groceries with a card I don't know why I mean maybe this is before this is obviously before tap. So my name was on it. And my my bank card, whatever. And the cashier looked at my bank card and No, did I make this up? I feel like the name was like she didn't really recognize my name, but it jogged a memory in her. And she looked at me and she goes, You look like that girl on TV. And I was like, ⁓ she's like that you look like that girl on Omni. And I and I was like, ⁓ she goes, You're way skinnier than her. ⁓ my god. What the heck? And I mean that's When people say the camera it's whatever, ten pounds, fifteen pounds, I don't know, whatever. Yeah, people are so bold. So listen, if you ever see a person who's relatively well known or from T V or if you just see a person that you've never met in real life. And if you've seen them on TikTok or Instagram or whatever, like if you see them in the wild, don't comment on their bodies. Don't do that anyway. But like Yeah, but people I know people who are told like You're way shorter than I thought. It's weird, ⁓ Which is usually ⁓ a little more offensive for men than women. Like women don't really care, but ⁓ yeah, it's it's quite funny. Skinny Minnie. ⁓ and all of the all one of my favorite things about Pay is like ⁓ all of the misrepresentations of her name. ⁓ that's your favorite. It's my favorite. I know, I know. My favorite, like because we i in our inner circle a bunch of us refer to Pay as Pie. Yes. ⁓ because your name is always ma maybe not so much now, but like people get it wrong a lot. ⁓ yeah. It's always misspelled. Yeah, they think it's some Paige or all these and but I love but Pi is a good one. And also you had one that was Paint. And you don't you never remember that one, but you someone thought your name was Paint. That was a little girl. That was a that was a little girl. Yeah. Anyway. Well, here we go. This is lovely. That's a nice wrap up with everybody. ⁓ my goodness. Like I feel done. ⁓ this conversation went everywhere, but I really liked it. I think that's the best part about it. I am hungry. I might me too. I might keep more of the dumb stuff than the Yeah. ⁓ okay. And I have one more thing to say. Let me get my notes 'cause I don't want to get it wrong, because this summer on the podcast, I I'm giving away stuff for people who live in Montreal, which is really cool. What are you doing? What are you doing? ⁓ the Black Mirror Experience has officially opened in Montreal. It's running through the summer, and it is so cool. Rupert and I had the chance to do this, and it's actually amazing. I want to refer to my notes here because I don't want to get it wrong. ⁓ it's not a show, it's not an escape room, it's a 60-minute adventure where virtual reality dissolves the boundary between fiction and reality. The cool thing about Black Mirror Montreal is that you're the main character. Like it's built on AI, and if you give answers within the experience, the scenery changes around you ⁓ based on what you have said. It's really cool. You gotta do it and somebody will. So ⁓ in the comments below this video, I want you to answer this question. If your life was a black mirror episode, what would the title be? If your life was a black mirror episode, what would the title be? Leave your answers in the comments below this video. And ⁓ we'll pick a winner in a few days, and you'll be able to experience that. It's open to Montreal residents only. and my thanks to ⁓ the the folks who gave us the tickets over at Black Mirror, ⁓ in the old port of Montreal because ⁓ it's really cool to be able to pass this along to our viewers as well. So did that go on too long? It was really fucking long. I might just do it one more time quickly. ⁓ my God, don't do it again. Just cut it down. Yeah, but you were distracting me with all the shit you were doing. Stupid. That one was good. It was natural. I wanna do one more quickly. Just quickly. ⁓ yeah, because it's because they were really ⁓ they really wanted stuff, you know. Okay. We're giving away stuff ⁓ on the podcast all summer long. And one of the things that I'm going to give away right now ⁓ is a pair of tickets to the Black Mirror Experience in the Old Port of Montreal. It opened in Montreal, it's ⁓ world public premiere in the old port, and it is so cool. Rupert the chance to do it a few weeks ago. It's amazing. 60 minutes long, it's not a show. ⁓ it's not an escape room. It's 60 minutes of this really cool VR immersive experience. And a lot of it, most of it, is really based on AI. If you answer a question within the experience, the scenery changes around you based on your answers. So you could actually go multiple times and it would be a different experience every time. It's so cool, and we're so glad to give you the chance to win these tickets. So here's how you win: if you are in the Montreal area. Please answer this question in the comments below this episode. If your life was a black mirror episode, what would the title be? If your life was a Black Mirror episode, what would the title be? leave your answers in the comments and we'll pick a winner in a few days. And in the meantime, go check it out. It's really, really cool. Our thanks to ⁓ the folks over there at the Black Mirror Experience for ⁓ giving us our Feedbag viewers this opportunity. Okay. Pay, are you good? Yep. Okay. thank you for being here. Well, I was staying here, so I had to do it. I think that was the cost of entry. Best answer from any guest. ⁓ It was good times. Yeah, it was good times. I have a lot of editing to do. This dog has to pee. You have to eat, and I'm gonna We'll see you next time. Well Like, comment, share. That's how these podcasts get known. Like, comment, share. Like, comment, share. And subscribe. And subscribe. And subscribe. We'll see you next time on Feedbag Feedbag. Feedback No. There we go. That'd be shit in there. We're gonna edit it down to five minutes. Those are some fun stories. Three minutes. So it's funny that you don't wanna give your age but you'll talk about how you plunged my shit. Yeah. ⁓ Reconnect. ⁓ fuck you. ⁓ does that mean it didn't record? ⁓ yeah. I really have to get my internet provider over here because that's fucking annoying. Do you think it's 'cause it's the basement? 'Cause it's not like that upstairs. It might be. But like even sometimes when I'm upstairs and I'm watching my s shows, it'll be like For a second. I don't care about watching T V but I care when I'm doing this. Yeah. You need a stable internet connection. I said stop. I said stop. Why are you still recording? It's still recording. It won't stop. What if that was golf or not? ⁓ man. I don't know what's happening. I'm so livid. If we have nothing, sorry, Pei. Need to pee. Why are still recording? Your internet's dumb. It's the dumbest. It's actually never done this. Can you just cut together the whole episode ⁓ based on these parts? ⁓ yeah, for sure. If they exist. The parts where we're like we can't figure this out. I gotta go, guy. You gotta get your head off my leg. Now you put your arms on my leg. ⁓ already. ⁓ my god. This fake light is like fake sunshine. Maybe bring it upstairs where 'cause even my internet is spinning right now. Maybe bring your thing upstairs and it'll