Latest / The Real Report with Tony Yayo and Uncle Murda / Shyne on 25th Anniversary Tour, life after the Bad Boy era, & serving in Belize
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- 0:00Speaker 1: Think it's just that Brooklyn was just I was definitely
- 0:03Speaker 1: on that. You know that's Brooklyn. Of course, yeah, I
- 0:07Speaker 1: stomped down the dog. But see he come this, you know,
- 0:13Speaker 1: make come on, you want to, you want to and
- 0:16Speaker 1: then come this Brooklyn.
- 0:18Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, He.
- 0:19Speaker 3: Gets that.
- 0:21Speaker 2: Brocket.
- 0:37Speaker 4: Yeah, it's the talk of New York and it's the
- 0:39Speaker 4: boyle jed let me uncle murder.
- 0:41Speaker 5: Well and right now it's the real report. We here
- 0:43Speaker 5: with the infamous Shine Pop makes some nice well well
- 0:48Speaker 5: bad boy in the.
- 0:48Speaker 1: B The Elder Statesman, I don't think I'm in from
- 0:51Speaker 1: its anymore. The legendary. I'm more of a legacy. The young,
- 0:57Speaker 1: the young Shane, the young Shine was in from this definitely,
- 1:01Speaker 1: the elder Statesman, you know, presidential rap, Prime minister. But
- 1:05Speaker 1: you know brook Yeah, going on, that's right on Saturday.
- 1:14Speaker 1: That's right, the whole Saturday Brooklyn and Queens. Queens and
- 1:18Speaker 1: Brooklyn is really the same. But I mean where we separated,
- 1:21Speaker 1: I don't know. I know Big Queen's gonna be in
- 1:25Speaker 1: there too, but appreciate yeah, yeah, you know, I go
- 1:30Speaker 1: back and forth. But definitely I made it a priority
- 1:34Speaker 1: to be here.
- 1:35Speaker 5: Definitely yes. I mean, you're definitely a legend. You're in
- 1:38Speaker 5: the Hall of Fame my Murder, and.
- 1:42Speaker 1: It's like when we look at your career, it's like
- 1:44Speaker 1: you was eighteen years old Lincoln with P Diddy bad Boy,
- 1:48Speaker 1: one of the biggest labels of all time.
- 1:50Speaker 2: Yeah, how was that?
- 1:52Speaker 3: Uh?
- 1:53Speaker 1: That was a dream come true. You know, I can
- 1:57Speaker 1: never forget the opportunity that I had and that many
- 2:03Speaker 1: of these labels, whether it's Aftermath in the Scope, you know,
- 2:08Speaker 1: the Jimmy Iveans, the Dre's, the Puffies, you know, the
- 2:12Speaker 1: Russell Simmons, your Queen's brother. That really opening up for
- 2:17Speaker 1: all of us as far as the entrepreneurship and the
- 2:20Speaker 1: partnership corporate America to take the hip hop culture global.
- 2:26Speaker 1: But that was a dream come true. I was. I
- 2:28Speaker 1: was definitely infamous back then, coming off the streets, I
- 2:33Speaker 1: just got shot. I was, you know, escaping the Brooklyn Vietnam.
- 2:40Speaker 1: Brooklyn Vietnam we called the Brooklyn Vietnam for a reason.
- 2:43Speaker 1: So coming to you know, getting discovered by Don Pooh,
- 2:48Speaker 1: respect to him, that's my big brother. He's literally been
- 2:51Speaker 1: getting money since eighty eight. We're opening the Brooklyn Chophouse
- 2:54Speaker 1: and belize we're getting discovered by him and I guy
- 2:57Speaker 1: Manny you know Manny's Nicki Minaj and Futurebody. Yes, and
- 3:04Speaker 1: then them taking me to the industry. Uh, it was
- 3:08Speaker 1: really Chris Lighty Okay, rest in peace, resting piece to
- 3:14Speaker 1: baby Chris who lit the torch for the shine explosion
- 3:20Speaker 1: that took place because initially respected my guy Mark Pitts
- 3:24Speaker 1: as well because Manny Don Pooh, Mark Pitts all that
- 3:29Speaker 1: Brooklyn crew. So I was moving around. I wrapped for Puff,
- 3:34Speaker 1: I rapped for un Yes, yes, yes, uh, Pool's managing
- 3:41Speaker 1: he was involved in Pitts's management company with b I
- 3:44Speaker 1: g that Brooklyn thing and they both from Barbados, I believe,
- 3:48Speaker 1: so they had that Beaijing connection. But basically, so I
- 3:52Speaker 1: was moving around. I rapped for a whole I rapped
- 3:54Speaker 1: for Puff, I rapped for Everybody was like yeah, yeah,
- 3:57Speaker 1: you nice, but nothing really happened. Nobody was sending the
- 4:03Speaker 1: agreement to my lawyer Matt Middleton at the time.
- 4:06Speaker 4: Was you hear it back then when you was rapping
- 4:08Speaker 4: for these dudes, not to cut you off that you
- 4:10Speaker 4: had a biggie Bobe.
- 4:11Speaker 1: Nobody even thought about that. They was just hearing the
- 4:14Speaker 1: barstch and so again I just got shot. I'm coming
- 4:19Speaker 1: off the streets. My energy was so convincing. I could
- 4:25Speaker 1: sell water to a well when you hear those bars,
- 4:29Speaker 1: because I'm talking about my real life and I'm so
- 4:32Speaker 1: so passionate and so much conviction. Everybody just thought I
- 4:35Speaker 1: was nice, right, Everybody thought I was nice. And I
- 4:39Speaker 1: think proof of that is the fact that I'm still
- 4:41Speaker 1: a legend to this day. And then we just sold
- 4:44Speaker 1: out King's Theatre after you know, not being here for
- 4:47Speaker 1: twenty five years. And I could go to LA and
- 4:50Speaker 1: walk in the studio with Doctor dre Jay don't even
- 4:54Speaker 1: you know, talk to people. But that's because of the
- 4:57Speaker 1: legend and what the music ended up sounding like ultimately,
- 5:01Speaker 1: because when you're when you first get in the studio,
- 5:04Speaker 1: you gotta find your voice. When you know fifty first
- 5:08Speaker 1: came out, some people might have said he sounded like
- 5:10Speaker 1: he had a mace thing or whole thing because of
- 5:13Speaker 1: the tone of his voice. But that but that, but
- 5:16Speaker 1: that wasn't fifties fifty, and he went on to make
- 5:20Speaker 1: you know, some of the greatest albums ever Fab. When
- 5:23Speaker 1: Fab first came out, again, the tone of his voice,
- 5:26Speaker 1: people are quick to associate you, you know, with whoever's
- 5:31Speaker 1: the popular voice, right, but the baritone is still a baritone.
- 5:34Speaker 1: It hasn't changed all these years longer. But now it
- 5:37Speaker 1: was a dream come true. It was a dream come true.
- 5:39Speaker 1: But it was Chris Lighty that made that dream come true.
- 5:43Speaker 1: He hit my guy, Eric Nix, who was again a
- 5:47Speaker 1: part of that Brooklyn conglomerate, and said, you know, you know,
- 5:51Speaker 1: tell Sean, I keep him out. This kid, Sean, tell
- 5:53Speaker 1: him come to Varick Street. That was where deaf Jam was.
- 5:56Speaker 1: So I went to Barrack Street and he said, uh,
- 6:00Speaker 1: all right, yeah, I've been hearing a lot about you.
- 6:01Speaker 1: I want to you know, we played this dat tape
- 6:04Speaker 1: for this this new producer, Swiss Beats. He played Swiss
- 6:09Speaker 1: Beaks Yes, and I went in and he was just like,
- 6:14Speaker 1: you're not leaving him until you signed the deal. And
- 6:16Speaker 1: he told me to Leo's office. I spit for him,
- 6:20Speaker 1: wrapped his head off and that was it. Literally as
- 6:24Speaker 1: soon as I left the office. We didn't have any WhatsApp.
- 6:29Speaker 1: Then we had that, we had the heavy phone, we
- 6:33Speaker 1: had the star attack. So the star Attack was I
- 6:36Speaker 1: don't even think the star tack was out yet. But anyway,
- 6:40Speaker 1: the phone was ringing and it was like, yo, Puff,
- 6:42Speaker 1: want you to come to California asap? And I was
- 6:45Speaker 1: like right before Christmas. He said, as soon as the
- 6:47Speaker 1: Christmas vacation is done, he want to fly you out
- 6:50Speaker 1: to Cally so we could close the deal. So it
- 6:52Speaker 1: was really Chris. And then when I went to La
- 6:56Speaker 1: went to Beverly Hills Hotel. As soon as I'm walking in,
- 7:00Speaker 1: Eddie Murphy's walking out of the elevator.
- 7:03Speaker 2: I never forget.
- 7:04Speaker 1: I never forgot. I could smell the Beverly Hills Hotel
- 7:06Speaker 1: right now. And I've never been anyway outside of.
- 7:09Speaker 2: And that's the first person you see is Eddie Murphy.
- 7:12Speaker 1: Yeah, and I've never been anywhere outside of Brooklyn until
- 7:17Speaker 1: this point, except for, you know, going to Belieze on vacation.
- 7:21Speaker 1: So I went to the record plant, A Puff and
- 7:25Speaker 1: j Lo were at the record plant. Puff was recording
- 7:29Speaker 1: the Godzilla single. It was a Godzilla movie that came
- 7:35Speaker 1: out and he was executive producer of the soundtrack. So
- 7:38Speaker 1: he's wrapping in the booth. He comes out. He's like, yeah, listen, man,
- 7:41Speaker 1: you know I know everybody after you, I told you.
- 7:44Speaker 1: Then he was nice I'm telling you, now, let's sign
- 7:46Speaker 1: a deal. I really don't want to chase, so I
- 7:48Speaker 1: was like, yeah, let's do it. It's bad boy. I
- 7:51Speaker 1: was the number one record company at the time, but
- 7:57Speaker 1: I was always a shrewd businessman. I just always it
- 8:02Speaker 1: was never emotional. And then coming from the streets like literally,
- 8:05Speaker 1: friend's brains on your shoulder. No father watching my mother struggle.
- 8:12Speaker 1: He's not necessarily heartless, but it's like, it's never any emotions,
- 8:17Speaker 1: and it's always I was always thinking business. So I
- 8:20Speaker 1: kept asking the lawyers because they kept hitting the lawyers.
- 8:24Speaker 1: So then when I went out to California that that flood,
- 8:28Speaker 1: so then they kept calling it. I'm like, well, okay,
- 8:31Speaker 1: well this is what Puff saying, telling me on five
- 8:34Speaker 1: times that, and I said, well, telling me on ten
- 8:37Speaker 1: times that. And Russell Leo and Chris was so cold.
- 8:43Speaker 1: They came to Puff's house and Mulholland Drive. He was
- 8:48Speaker 1: having an event just it was I think it was
- 8:51Speaker 1: Soul Trained week. Chris Tucker, all the basketball players, they're
- 8:56Speaker 1: playing basketball, everybody there. They pull up. I'm like, on Puff,
- 9:02Speaker 1: I'm just gonna have a word with these gentlemen. Let
- 9:05Speaker 1: him know, signing with you, but thank them for their interests.
- 9:09Speaker 1: I left and I never came back. I came back
- 9:13Speaker 1: to get my stuff and I moved into Peninsula Hotel.
- 9:17Speaker 1: I hadn't met me like a six hundred s and
- 9:20Speaker 1: I was just going to Iceberg store at an Iceberg
- 9:25Speaker 1: store on Melrose at that time, every day, getting fresh.
- 9:30Speaker 1: And I was like, I'm going with the money, right
- 9:33Speaker 1: the deal that they made. Even I ended up with
- 9:36Speaker 1: a deal that no new artist has ever gotten. I
- 9:39Speaker 1: don't know if it's changed now. And I left me.
- 9:42Speaker 1: Eric Nicks left after like a week or two, and
- 9:45Speaker 1: I moved into the Saint Regis Hotel waiting for the
- 9:49Speaker 1: deal to close. Go see John McNeill, that was Chris's
- 9:57Speaker 1: financial manager, collect my money every week. And then one
- 10:02Speaker 1: day I just woke up and I was like, I
- 10:05Speaker 1: called my Pitts. I was like, I'm signed a bad boy.
- 10:10Speaker 1: And we did the deal in a few days. Because
- 10:16Speaker 1: had I gone to death Jam. You gotta remember Fox
- 10:21Speaker 1: had Hove, Nas, she had a team, X had d
- 10:28Speaker 1: Wild Swiss had a team right, Hove had Dang bigs,
- 10:37Speaker 1: be High Clark, Kent irv Gotti. Yeah, I was I
- 10:44Speaker 1: wasn't ready. I needed to be developed, and I'm not sure.
- 10:51Speaker 1: I'm not sure if Violator would have done that for me.
- 10:54Speaker 1: I'm just not sure. And then I didn't just need
- 10:57Speaker 1: to be developed. I wanted to be a superstar. I
- 11:01Speaker 1: wanted to be exactly what I am now. And I
- 11:03Speaker 1: felt that Puff gave me that. He gave me a
- 11:06Speaker 1: ten year sentence too, and a lot of hard they
- 11:09Speaker 1: can paying and tragedy, but I got what I got,
- 11:13Speaker 1: that information I got. I got to be around one
- 11:17Speaker 1: of the greatest eve No matter how I feel about
- 11:19Speaker 1: him as a human being, as an entertainer, as an executive,
- 11:24Speaker 1: he is one of the greatest ever. Oh yeah, definitely
- 11:27Speaker 1: can't take nothing from that.
- 11:28Speaker 5: Yeah, I just wanted to know how you felt, because
- 11:31Speaker 5: it's like when you came with the hit record.
- 11:34Speaker 3: I believe.
- 11:38Speaker 1: Boy like that Big everything was because because because remember
- 11:42Speaker 1: I think Big the Big just died.
- 11:44Speaker 2: Around the time he died.
- 11:45Speaker 1: He passed away in ninety seven, God Blessed Soul. March's
- 11:49Speaker 1: nine ninety seven Bad Boys came out in two thousand,
- 11:56Speaker 1: so about three years later, June two thousand. I'll never
- 11:59Speaker 1: forget it when when from Flex broke that record.
- 12:02Speaker 5: Right, we were still kind of Morning from Big and
- 12:04Speaker 5: you and Big have a good same compacity, deep voice.
- 12:08Speaker 1: Both from the Caribbean's from Believe.
- 12:11Speaker 5: Definitely go from Brooklyn, Brooklyn too, and the style was
- 12:16Speaker 5: similar because like y'all had the Jamaican you know, culture
- 12:19Speaker 5: shit going.
- 12:20Speaker 3: On in it.
- 12:20Speaker 5: But when you came with that, it was like, yo,
- 12:22Speaker 5: we had we had to It was like, come on,
- 12:25Speaker 5: this is a fucking hit, bro.
- 12:26Speaker 1: Yeah, And you gotta understand. I always use the Kobe example,
- 12:33Speaker 1: but I think I used some good rap examples, like
- 12:35Speaker 1: fab is one of the nicest ever period. He's in
- 12:38Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame, right, forget about commercial, forget about
- 12:42Speaker 1: pop straight hip hop. Fabulous will go down as one
- 12:47Speaker 1: of the nicest ever. Right when you go down to
- 12:52Speaker 1: fifty fifties, one of the greatest icons hip hop of
- 13:00Speaker 1: music entertainment period. What he's been able to accomplish on
- 13:04Speaker 1: the business and the run film a hard rock cafe.
- 13:11Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's just so much. And he's
- 13:13Speaker 1: still going. He's still popping up in Vegas, you know, spitting.
- 13:18Speaker 1: That's real hip hop, right. So what I'm saying is
- 13:22Speaker 1: many of the greatest started with comparisons, but I think
- 13:27Speaker 1: the comparisons inspire us to work hard to separate ourselves
- 13:33Speaker 1: and to establish our identity. And I believe you look
- 13:37Speaker 1: at Kobe. When Kobe first came into the league, Kobe
- 13:41Speaker 1: was coming off the bench, Shaq was a superstar, and
- 13:45Speaker 1: everybody said Kobe wanted to be Mike. But now when
- 13:49Speaker 1: I think of Kobe, I think of Kobe, and Mike
- 13:52Speaker 1: is my goat. But it's debatable whether Kobe is the goat, right, Yeah, yeah,
- 13:59Speaker 1: I hate you, you know, but listen, respect respect to Bron.
- 14:04Speaker 1: My god, I got a brother. He's from He's from Ohio,
- 14:07Speaker 1: from Columbus, Ohio's name is Jeffrey Shawtenstein. Big respect to
- 14:11Speaker 1: the American Eagle people. They own American Eagle and you
- 14:14Speaker 1: know they're real close with with Braun. And you know,
- 14:17Speaker 1: Broun got love for Sean too. Some emost respectfully, I'm MJ.
- 14:21Speaker 1: But you know, respect to Bron.
- 14:24Speaker 2: Definite respect. Three goats.
- 14:27Speaker 1: Yeah, so what was the process because that was like
- 14:30Speaker 1: a different kind of record to cause the baron you
- 14:33Speaker 1: know what I mean?
- 14:34Speaker 2: The beat? Who made the beat? Like what made you?
- 14:37Speaker 1: Again? I'm always honorable, always the utmost integrity, and I
- 14:42Speaker 1: give the flowers where the flowers belong. I picked every
- 14:48Speaker 1: beat of the Shine album except that beat, and it
- 14:53Speaker 1: was puff. They gave me that beat. That was actually
- 14:57Speaker 1: the first song that I did that was a hit record.
- 15:03Speaker 1: The other songs I was finding myself. I was you know,
- 15:08Speaker 1: they had some controversy the other day when I was
- 15:10Speaker 1: on it is what It Is, and I was really
- 15:14Speaker 1: telling the story, not to degrade anyone, not to talk
- 15:19Speaker 1: about my hit list. I wasn't stunting a popping style.
- 15:25Speaker 1: I was telling the story of a young man who
- 15:28Speaker 1: had nothing and got a million dollars and went nuts.
- 15:34Speaker 1: And by me going crazy as far as just out
- 15:39Speaker 1: here buying Cristal, going to the Gucci store, crashing the
- 15:43Speaker 1: six hundred and just living a movie. I wasn't paying
- 15:47Speaker 1: attention to my craft, and so when I was going
- 15:51Speaker 1: in the studio, the results were consistent with someone that
- 15:57Speaker 1: wasn't focused, with someone that wasn't working hard, when that
- 16:00Speaker 1: was not exactly except what I came here for. So
- 16:06Speaker 1: by the time, so the whole ninety nine I spent
- 16:10Speaker 1: being output before he snitched Bridge porter a Z Frank Matthews,
- 16:16Speaker 1: you know, living a life, right, Yeah, just being being
- 16:23Speaker 1: a straight get super stuff right, Listen, right, yeah, so yeah,
- 16:31Speaker 1: like it was so bad as I mentioned, and I
- 16:36Speaker 1: was even with the boss's main which those are the
- 16:41Speaker 1: things you don't do. I rap about it on the Life.
- 16:44Speaker 1: You don't do that. How do you come to the
- 16:46Speaker 1: label and you just taking everybody down? That was suicide.
- 16:51Speaker 1: And that's the only reason I told that story. So
- 16:54Speaker 1: the music reflected the lack of effort, the lack of
- 17:00Speaker 1: the lack of focus. But then when I got to
- 17:03Speaker 1: ninety nine, after I had that interaction where you know,
- 17:06Speaker 1: somebody told me some things I didn't want to hear
- 17:09Speaker 1: and it really shocked me, and it really devastated me,
- 17:11Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what I'm gonna show you.
- 17:14Speaker 1: I went to Puff like January. It's like listen, man,
- 17:17Speaker 1: you know please, I need the Holy Grail needs you
- 17:22Speaker 1: to give me the blueprint. I need an instruction manual.
- 17:25Speaker 1: Let's do what we came for. And so I shadowed
- 17:28Speaker 1: him the entire ninety nine until the Club New York
- 17:32Speaker 1: incident happened, day in day out, just as a protege,
- 17:38Speaker 1: just learning everything. And that's how we got the bad
- 17:43Speaker 1: Boy record done because we were in the Hampton's working
- 17:48Speaker 1: on his album Forever and you know, I did reverse
- 17:53Speaker 1: wrote his I think I wrote his record on reverse.
- 18:01Speaker 1: I'm near like twenty probably, yeah, oh, I mean it was.
- 18:07Speaker 1: It was a movie. But that's why I stuck that
- 18:09Speaker 1: jam up so crazy because it was a movie. Like
- 18:12Speaker 1: you you want a private plan going back from soul
- 18:15Speaker 1: training to to the to the Grammys and then back
- 18:19Speaker 1: to to California. You you in the car with j Lo,
- 18:24Speaker 1: You at dinner with Sally, Sally or Jesse whatever her
- 18:27Speaker 1: name is, Like, it's you know, you're playing basketball with
- 18:31Speaker 1: Chris Tucker. Yeah, dream dream, yeah, dream come true. Yeah.
- 18:38Speaker 1: So yeah, you know, puff again. I never saw any
- 18:43Speaker 1: of the things that he's accused of, and that, you know,
- 18:46Speaker 1: it's none of my business. I really don't care, other
- 18:49Speaker 1: than some of the things that throughout the situation were
- 18:54Speaker 1: brought up that he did to me, as far as
- 18:57Speaker 1: calling people to testify against me and and really working
- 19:02Speaker 1: with the DA to make sure that I went to
- 19:04Speaker 1: jail and he didn't go to jail. Whereas if all
- 19:08Speaker 1: of us are here in Heaven forbid, anything should ever
- 19:10Speaker 1: go wrong, we would just be defending ourselves and we
- 19:15Speaker 1: should go to trial and say, listen, Yayo was defending himself.
- 19:21Speaker 1: Murder was defending himself. Sean was defending himself. And that's
- 19:24Speaker 1: what I maintained to this day. If Puff fired the gun,
- 19:27Speaker 1: if Puff was the person that shot that woman, he
- 19:32Speaker 1: was defending himself and he did not do that intentionally.
- 19:34Speaker 1: To this day, as much as you know, I don't
- 19:37Speaker 1: appreciate what he did to me. That is my position
- 19:40Speaker 1: to this day. So yeah, but the point I was
- 19:44Speaker 1: making is he gave me that record. He was the
- 19:49Speaker 1: greatest at the time. Nobody did it like Russell did it.
- 19:54Speaker 1: He took what Russell did and put it on steroids.
- 19:58Speaker 1: As far as getting into pop culture and just merging
- 20:01Speaker 1: pop culture with rap culture and still being hip hop.
- 20:05Speaker 5: And at that time bad Boy ran the game. You
- 20:07Speaker 5: had total over there, you had black everybody.
- 20:10Speaker 1: And he was a resting piece to Robbie O b I,
- 20:15Speaker 1: the Locks Mace and he was producing everybody was producing
- 20:19Speaker 1: Missy Mary yes right, and he was keeping it hip hop.
- 20:27Speaker 1: So he was pop, but he was also ghetto. And
- 20:30Speaker 1: he got that from a person that doesn't get enough credit,
- 20:34Speaker 1: Andre Heral. Remember Andre Heral was on that Uptown rest
- 20:39Speaker 1: in Peace, hip hop corporate like he didn't make it
- 20:43Speaker 1: as a rapper, but he had the rolex, you know,
- 20:45Speaker 1: with the suit, and that was his thing. So you know, yeah,
- 20:50Speaker 1: but he gave me that song. In the Hamptons we
- 20:53Speaker 1: were working on the Forever album. Everybody was out there,
- 20:56Speaker 1: Mafia was out there, everybody was out there, respecting my guys,
- 21:02Speaker 1: and he gave me the He gave me the song,
- 21:04Speaker 1: he gave me the beat. He was like, listen, so
- 21:07Speaker 1: that beat might have been for forever. But being a
- 21:11Speaker 1: genius that he was, he was like, let me get
- 21:14Speaker 1: this to Sean. If Sean could you can see see
- 21:18Speaker 1: if he if he could body this, That's what he
- 21:23Speaker 1: told me. He said, listen, if you could body this,
- 21:28Speaker 1: gone out of here. And then respectfully, he said, who's
- 21:34Speaker 1: the guy that go oh. I'm like, yes, Baronon Levy
- 21:44Speaker 1: and that's a that's a that is a Caribbean icon,
- 21:48Speaker 1: like Barrington been singing before I was born. He was
- 21:52Speaker 1: my mother's favorite and he was my favorite. So yeah,
- 21:55Speaker 1: that was all puff and I went and I did
- 21:57Speaker 1: what I had to do, and everybody went crazy, and respectfully, New.
- 22:02Speaker 2: York was loving it because the whole Jamaican culture.
- 22:04Speaker 1: But before New York got it, bad Boy was going crazy.
- 22:09Speaker 1: Because I was shaky at bad Boy. When I came in,
- 22:12Speaker 1: it was like I was just offending everybody. I was
- 22:16Speaker 1: offending the boss, I was offending the superstar player Mace,
- 22:20Speaker 1: even though me and Mace we got really close after
- 22:22Speaker 1: the fact, but I was just on one. And so
- 22:26Speaker 1: when people are upset with you, you can't do anything right.
- 22:30Speaker 1: So everything soundtrack bullshit. I was definitely on that. You know,
- 22:36Speaker 1: that's Brooklyn. Of course I stomped down the dog.
- 22:40Speaker 3: But see.
- 22:43Speaker 1: This, you know, come on, you want to and then
- 22:48Speaker 1: come this Brooklyn nigga.
- 22:49Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
- 22:51Speaker 1: But but yeah, everybody was excited.
- 22:53Speaker 3: Man.
- 22:53Speaker 1: But the second verse, if you listen to the second
- 22:57Speaker 1: verse closely, I wrote this verse for puff Nick's dragging
- 23:02Speaker 1: on the floor, banging on your second to christ signists,
- 23:06Speaker 1: examine it for floors pulled the Christal on the way
- 23:09Speaker 1: to trial, Rico, Lord got my head hurt, spirt until
- 23:13Speaker 1: they pull the curtain.
- 23:15Speaker 3: I want a puffy going to say that.
- 23:17Speaker 1: I wrote that for Fags.
- 23:18Speaker 2: That was before the case too.
- 23:19Speaker 1: What the case August nineteen ninety nine, So he never
- 23:25Speaker 1: got a chance to do his verse. And when we
- 23:28Speaker 1: caught the case, he was like under the bus you go,
- 23:32Speaker 1: I want nothing to do with you.
- 23:33Speaker 5: Yeah, because that was listen, yo, listen, once you got
- 23:37Speaker 5: a shooting and you got Puff Daddy and j Lo
- 23:40Speaker 5: did And what was that club?
- 23:41Speaker 2: I forgot the club New York.
- 23:42Speaker 5: Club New York was popping. That shit was like on
- 23:46Speaker 5: the front of the Daily News.
- 23:47Speaker 3: Find out during that case. So like as far as
- 23:50Speaker 3: oh shit, damn Puff.
- 23:52Speaker 1: Oh, it was from the start. It was from the
- 23:54Speaker 1: start because as I said, when I say under the
- 23:57Speaker 1: bus you go, literally we all got knocked. They bailed
- 24:03Speaker 1: bail out like hours, and I'm sitting in the tombs
- 24:09Speaker 1: and I'm calling Daddy's house. I'm calling a Puff's house. Uh,
- 24:15Speaker 1: and nobody's taking my call. No one is answering me.
- 24:19Speaker 1: I sat in the tombs for a week without speaking
- 24:22Speaker 1: to nobody, right, but I was talking to Matt Middleton,
- 24:26Speaker 1: and Manny bailed me out. My god, Manny, that's why
- 24:29Speaker 1: he used my brother. To this day, funny story went out.
- 24:33Speaker 1: What was your bill? Like a million half? I don't
- 24:36Speaker 1: even remember whatever it was. Puff could afford to pay
- 24:40Speaker 1: for it, but funny story. And then when I say,
- 24:44Speaker 1: Manny's my god, to this day, when I was in
- 24:48Speaker 1: the p now. Uh, Doctor Dre wanted me to do
- 24:53Speaker 1: a record for a young kid by the name of
- 24:55Speaker 1: the game. This is before anybody even heard of the game.
- 24:59Speaker 1: They wanted me again, they said that game. And I
- 25:03Speaker 1: spoke the game the other day, so I saw love.
- 25:05Speaker 1: So Dre sent me the record, not sent it to me,
- 25:08Speaker 1: but reached out and said, listen, we have record, but
- 25:10Speaker 1: you can only do our record. You can't do a
- 25:13Speaker 1: record with anybody else for this kid the game and
- 25:17Speaker 1: Manny and Ron Fair said, we got a record for
- 25:21Speaker 1: this young lady by the name of Keisha Cole. And
- 25:26Speaker 1: I had to choose, and I chose Manny because he
- 25:29Speaker 1: bailed me out. And that's a difficult choice because Doctor
- 25:32Speaker 1: Drect has always been Doctor Dre and Doctor Dre will
- 25:36Speaker 1: always be Doctor Dre. But I had to chose. But
- 25:41Speaker 1: I had to choose to bail me out, and he's
- 25:43Speaker 1: my brother to this day.
- 25:45Speaker 5: To many, that's crazy because I know, look like you're thinking,
- 25:48Speaker 5: Pete Diddy, you call him Pete Diddy, you're trying to
- 25:50Speaker 5: get bailed out.
- 25:50Speaker 1: This nigga work, respectfully, many was always getting money. Yeah,
- 25:57Speaker 1: so he put one of the houses up and you
- 25:59Speaker 1: know he made show I was good. Oh so yeah,
- 26:02Speaker 1: when I got out, I knew. I already knew I
- 26:04Speaker 1: was under the bus. The fact that Manny had to
- 26:06Speaker 1: bail me out. I was cooked. And and you know
- 26:09Speaker 1: when the lawyer was communicating to me, because I was
- 26:12Speaker 1: staying in one of Puff's apartments and you know, listen,
- 26:16Speaker 1: moved all your stuff out. I had to send my
- 26:18Speaker 1: uncle and get Puff.
- 26:21Speaker 5: You gotta think, you gotta think about kid. You gotta
- 26:23Speaker 5: go back to the club and the most listen. Yeah,
- 26:26Speaker 5: but I was defending him, No, no, no, I know, definish.
- 26:29Speaker 5: I saw somebody.
- 26:30Speaker 1: I saw somebody mention that the kids from Brooklyn, we're
- 26:36Speaker 1: trying to get at me. No Nino Scar, the kids
- 26:41Speaker 1: that were arguing with him with my guys, I saw
- 26:45Speaker 1: them maybe an hour before in the club, and everybody's like, yeah, shine,
- 26:49Speaker 1: we're so proud of you. We can't wait until you really,
- 26:52Speaker 1: you know, get there. We know you got us and
- 26:54Speaker 1: we got you.
- 26:57Speaker 4: Yeah.
- 26:58Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's that's ridiculous. But I don't know what
- 27:01Speaker 1: happened is we're walking out, they get the arguing, money,
- 27:05Speaker 1: get the flying and people start saying they gonna kill me,
- 27:08Speaker 1: they gonna kill Puff because God said to me, Paul,
- 27:13Speaker 1: you're gonna go with him over us, Like basically they
- 27:18Speaker 1: expected that I was supposed to like kind of just
- 27:21Speaker 1: disappear when the argument started. I was supposed to be like,
- 27:24Speaker 1: you know what.
- 27:25Speaker 5: Like get up my white nigga. J Lo would be nigga,
- 27:28Speaker 5: and then them niggas like what I mean. It's a
- 27:31Speaker 5: certain way, you know.
- 27:32Speaker 1: When guys in the street are getting money, sometimes that's millions.
- 27:37Speaker 5: Till this day, I carried myself like that I could
- 27:39Speaker 5: be in the spot and it could be niggas.
- 27:41Speaker 2: I don't know they temper.
- 27:42Speaker 5: I don't know where they're from, but these niggas be
- 27:44Speaker 5: to get money, niggas from the town and I'm coming
- 27:46Speaker 5: move out the white nigga niggas ain't trying to hear
- 27:49Speaker 5: them and escalate to a shootout.
- 27:52Speaker 2: I know.
- 27:52Speaker 5: Once he heard somebody got hit in the face innocent standing,
- 27:56Speaker 5: Oh yeah, leaf shine up in there, call the lawyer
- 27:58Speaker 5: separate the case.
- 28:00Speaker 3: Yeah, so you ain't even speak to him when.
- 28:04Speaker 1: I did not. I did not speak to him. He Remember,
- 28:08Speaker 1: we're on trial together. So even when we go to
- 28:10Speaker 1: court for pre trial for for everything, before we even
- 28:15Speaker 1: get to jury selections, you still got to go to
- 28:18Speaker 1: court to set the trial date and to do all
- 28:20Speaker 1: these things no conversation. And if it wasn't for Wolf,
- 28:28Speaker 1: I would have never got to release My West in
- 28:31Speaker 1: Peace to Anthony Wolf Jones, my big brother. He was
- 28:36Speaker 1: the one. So it was like, this is I get
- 28:37Speaker 1: bailed out January. It wasn't until February, like the end
- 28:44Speaker 1: of February that he said to Puff, you are going
- 28:49Speaker 1: to put his album out. I don't care what we're
- 28:53Speaker 1: gonna have. You're gonna have a problem with me. I'm sorry,
- 28:56Speaker 1: shine album coming out. And he made sure that I
- 29:00Speaker 1: got that opportunity. And so they finally called me the
- 29:05Speaker 1: Bad Boy Records that was in the BMG building on
- 29:08Speaker 1: Broadway and forty fifth, I believe, And so I went
- 29:12Speaker 1: there and the first record they played for me that
- 29:16Speaker 1: I picked was The Life that was from Nache Merrick
- 29:21Speaker 1: hit Man. And then if you listen to that album
- 29:28Speaker 1: and that song I'm kind of rapping about Puff, I
- 29:31Speaker 1: was like it was all right until I got caught
- 29:34Speaker 1: charged with a eight forty eight behind marrying Steve Gates.
- 29:37Speaker 1: They started snitching, acting bizarre, driving my cars, hitting my bros,
- 29:41Speaker 1: breaking the law, same people I got money to care
- 29:44Speaker 1: it was on some funny thing. If I was different,
- 29:46Speaker 1: I snitched. What would you do if you got millions
- 29:50Speaker 1: with people and they had no love for you couldn't
- 29:53Speaker 1: pay for your lawyer? Figured while I sit in the
- 29:56Speaker 1: seller rock, I'd be out in ten throw the boys
- 29:59Speaker 1: in the But I couldn't do it, and you wouldn't
- 30:02Speaker 1: understand if you ain't been through it ruse to this.
- 30:06Speaker 1: I couldn't break them death before the signer till I
- 30:10Speaker 1: mean satan. I know you're waiting, you know what I mean.
- 30:13Speaker 1: That's what y'all gonna get. Mac got one of the
- 30:17Speaker 1: rest stories in the culture. So this is what I
- 30:20Speaker 1: gotta know, because there's a difference between jail and prison.
- 30:23Speaker 2: You know, jail is is fucking rikers Allen. You know
- 30:28Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
- 30:29Speaker 5: What jails you went to and what was your mental
- 30:31Speaker 5: state coming off of having the biggest records in the world.
- 30:34Speaker 5: You down with puff He didn't pay your bill? Now
- 30:36Speaker 5: you blue trial or did you cop out to that team?
- 30:39Speaker 1: I bleue trial. I took it to trial. I didn't
- 30:41Speaker 1: corporate the district attorney at the time, And I just
- 30:44Speaker 1: want to put in perspective everything that I say, I'm
- 30:48Speaker 1: saying from a historical perspective, as far as you're sharing
- 30:52Speaker 1: the information, I don't glorify Definitely not anything that I
- 30:56Speaker 1: may have done as a youth. And even that night,
- 30:59Speaker 1: I was defending myself and the victim said that popshotter,
- 31:04Speaker 1: not me. So I always maintained that I was not
- 31:08Speaker 1: responsible for injuring any of those people, and that I
- 31:11Speaker 1: was defending myself. So I just you know, I went
- 31:14Speaker 1: to my primary school today, PS ninety two in Brooklyn.
- 31:18Speaker 1: It's the first school I went to as an immigrant
- 31:20Speaker 1: fresh off the Coconut boat, and I gave a speech,
- 31:24Speaker 1: and you know, I just want to make sure it's
- 31:26Speaker 1: always clear that we're just sharing with the youth, so
- 31:29Speaker 1: that the youth could have the benefit of our stories,
- 31:32Speaker 1: that they don't make the mistakes or find themselves in
- 31:34Speaker 1: the situations that we found ourselves in, because we're here
- 31:38Speaker 1: to make sure that they don't have to go through
- 31:40Speaker 1: what they went through. But yeah, it was the most
- 31:44Speaker 1: devastating period of my life. I don't think anything was
- 31:49Speaker 1: worse other than maybe being poor growing up in Brooklyn.
- 31:53Speaker 1: But I think even being incarcerated was worse because you
- 31:57Speaker 1: don't have your freedom and at least poverty. Yeah, it's terrible,
- 32:00Speaker 1: but I have the freedom to dream. I have the
- 32:02Speaker 1: freedom to pursue that and get out of property. I
- 32:06Speaker 1: did the whole ten There was not a day off.
- 32:11Speaker 1: I didn't get a furlough.
- 32:12Speaker 2: What's the first person you want to.
- 32:15Speaker 1: The first correctional facility was Clinton, Denimra Mumiyabu, Jamar Tupac
- 32:23Speaker 1: Shakur old dirty bastard. That's where they send all of
- 32:29Speaker 1: the sun of sam That's what they sent all of
- 32:31Speaker 1: the high profile people. And so I was an admin
- 32:35Speaker 1: seg my entire bid. So they have like an admin
- 32:39Speaker 1: seg block for all of the mafia bosses, the guys
- 32:45Speaker 1: that told on the mafia bosses.
- 32:48Speaker 2: Because you have profile. Yeah.
- 32:50Speaker 1: So, but then when I got to the end of
- 32:53Speaker 1: my incarceration, I asked to go to general population, to
- 32:58Speaker 1: go to a medium. Uh and they let me go
- 33:02Speaker 1: to medium, but like a medium where you can only
- 33:06Speaker 1: get in the medium if your honor and you know
- 33:12Speaker 1: you're conducting yourself in a way that you want to
- 33:15Speaker 1: go home. But even then it's always a risk, it's
- 33:21Speaker 1: always a toss up. But I don't want to stunt that.
- 33:24Speaker 1: Oh I did my bed in general pop uh No.
- 33:28Speaker 1: I was in admin s. I was isolated and as
- 33:33Speaker 1: I said, with the mob bosses, with some of the informants,
- 33:39Speaker 1: you know, people that were high profile that that had
- 33:41Speaker 1: heeneous crimes. Yeah, it was terrible. It was to go
- 33:45Speaker 1: what you go through and you got to do ten
- 33:47Speaker 1: and you like on top of the world like I did.
- 33:51Speaker 1: It was it was devastating. But you know, the first
- 33:54Speaker 1: night when I was in the tombs, I get on,
- 33:58Speaker 1: I kneeled down. I pray because I've been praying since
- 34:02Speaker 1: I got shot when I was fifteen or sixteen, So
- 34:07Speaker 1: prayer for me is a real thing. Now. I don't
- 34:08Speaker 1: pray because I'm holy. I don't pray because I am
- 34:13Speaker 1: a pontiff for some you know religious figure. I pray
- 34:19Speaker 1: to survive Brooklyn because Brooklyn was a war ground where
- 34:24Speaker 1: I grew up from Flatbush Church Avenue, which is while
- 34:27Speaker 1: performing at King's Theater is so surreal. Kingstadle was not
- 34:32Speaker 1: even operable back then. King's theadter was abandoned. But anyway,
- 34:37Speaker 1: I started praying from young just to survive Brooklyn. So
- 34:42Speaker 1: my first night in the tombs, I knelt down and
- 34:45Speaker 1: I prayed, and I said to God, you know, yeah,
- 34:48Speaker 1: I think Ted's rolling down my eyes. It was a lot.
- 34:51Speaker 1: I said, yeah, all right, we're here, but check this out.
- 34:54Speaker 1: I was loyal to a scumbag. I'm going to be
- 34:58Speaker 1: loyal to you because before I went away, thanks to
- 35:05Speaker 1: woof and thanks to God, I prayed, just let me
- 35:08Speaker 1: get my album out, let me do my numbers, and
- 35:11Speaker 1: let me become shine. Because once I do that, then
- 35:16Speaker 1: I would have accomplished my dreams and I could take
- 35:19Speaker 1: care of Mama love. She'll be all right, And no
- 35:22Speaker 1: matter what, my name will live forever because I would
- 35:27Speaker 1: have been able to put out a classic album and
- 35:31Speaker 1: etch my name in the pantheons of hip hop. And
- 35:35Speaker 1: I knew I would live forever because I kept my
- 35:39Speaker 1: integrity and I didn't make up a live or I
- 35:42Speaker 1: didn't try to get my friends in trouble to get
- 35:44Speaker 1: myself out of trouble. And as a New York kid,
- 35:48Speaker 1: I knew that I would be a legend no matter what,
- 35:51Speaker 1: because right right, so that was done to you growing
- 36:00Speaker 1: up in New York. That meant everything. That meant everything,
- 36:04Speaker 1: like you can live with yourself if you're a rodent
- 36:07Speaker 1: and the rodent is not I'm not again, I'm not
- 36:10Speaker 1: trying to glorify these things. It's just to this day,
- 36:13Speaker 1: you're a rodent. If you get elected to the House
- 36:15Speaker 1: of Representatives and you're not honorable and you break your
- 36:20Speaker 1: oath of office and turn on your people, you're a rat.
- 36:24Speaker 1: So that's what I mean.
- 36:27Speaker 3: Exactly, the people.
- 36:29Speaker 1: You got to have integrity. But I prayed to God
- 36:32Speaker 1: and I said, you know what, I'm going to be loyal.
- 36:35Speaker 1: You gave me everything that I asked you for. I'm
- 36:38Speaker 1: an immigrant kid from Belize who was able to have
- 36:42Speaker 1: my wildest dreams come true, and I thank you for that.
- 36:47Speaker 1: I said that wild facing I was facing twenty five
- 36:52Speaker 1: years because I blew trial, and I said, you know,
- 36:59Speaker 1: I'm not gonna turn on you. All I ask is,
- 37:03Speaker 1: just let me endure this. If I never sell another record,
- 37:07Speaker 1: if I have to do the whole ten, just allow
- 37:10Speaker 1: me to endure this. Let me not dine here, because
- 37:14Speaker 1: that's what people don't understand. You go to jail. You
- 37:20Speaker 1: might dine in jail. Even in ADMIN said editions ain't great.
- 37:24Speaker 1: Even but even in ADMIN said, someone may send a hit.
- 37:30Speaker 1: Someone that's doing life, you know, might wake up one
- 37:37Speaker 1: day and not take his meds and want to offer
- 37:40Speaker 1: you or you might have to take someone out. And
- 37:45Speaker 1: then definitely, when I got to the medium, it was
- 37:48Speaker 1: it was serious because you had guys in there doing
- 37:51Speaker 1: life that you know may have given a life back,
- 37:54Speaker 1: or guys in there that did thirty or had a
- 37:58Speaker 1: twenty five to life and did the twenty five and
- 38:00Speaker 1: now they're looking to go home. Any number can play
- 38:03Speaker 1: at any time, and so I pray to God to
- 38:05Speaker 1: just please allow me to endure, and I lose my
- 38:08Speaker 1: mind and and that's that's that's how I left it.
- 38:13Speaker 1: I said, if I never sell another record, if I'm
- 38:15Speaker 1: never famous again, it's okay. I'll be loyal to you.
- 38:19Speaker 1: And I kept praying. That's what I always tell people. Uh,
- 38:22Speaker 1: you got to be present every day. I was present
- 38:26Speaker 1: every day of my bid. I have been present every
- 38:29Speaker 1: day of my life up to this day, no matter
- 38:34Speaker 1: what is. And not just with prayer, but because you pray,
- 38:37Speaker 1: and then you got to listen because God talks to us.
- 38:41Speaker 1: So you can't pray and then do what you want
- 38:44Speaker 1: to do, because then God gonna pull back and be like,
- 38:46Speaker 1: all right, Champ, figure it out right, you got it.
- 38:53Speaker 4: For you when you came home because I saw y'all
- 38:56Speaker 4: hanging out, a little hanging out.
- 38:58Speaker 3: I send y'all in the Yeah.
- 39:00Speaker 1: You know, you know what happened. The first time I
- 39:03Speaker 1: reconcile with puff, I was in Jerusalem. So if you remember,
- 39:08Speaker 1: your man fifty used to get me real good with
- 39:10Speaker 1: those pictures when when I had that, when I had
- 39:13Speaker 1: the side curls and I had the religious but you know,
- 39:16Speaker 1: we was going at it right, so it was going, yeah,
- 39:20Speaker 1: it was all. So it was all, it was all,
- 39:22Speaker 1: you know, all, yeah I was I was wild disrespectful
- 39:26Speaker 1: but yeah, yeah, these the kick with disrespectful.
- 39:32Speaker 3: So we was.
- 39:34Speaker 1: But so I think we went at it while I
- 39:36Speaker 1: was away, and then when I came out, I think
- 39:40Speaker 1: I think that's why I lost my vocal cords, because
- 39:42Speaker 1: I'm answering a question right now. But when I came out,
- 39:46Speaker 1: I was on Tupac. But then I just did ten
- 39:49Speaker 1: years you know, spiritual you know, enduring praying, you know
- 39:56Speaker 1: it's like, And then I came out on my Tupac
- 39:58Speaker 1: thing from believe I didn't even get a chance to
- 40:02Speaker 1: come to the States because I got deported because I
- 40:04Speaker 1: didn't want to do it.
- 40:04Speaker 2: How did you feel like that was.
- 40:06Speaker 5: That was devast You know it's your last day because
- 40:08Speaker 5: I've seen it being locked up for ten years, little bit,
- 40:13Speaker 5: little baby bit, Yeah, two years most right. I've seen like,
- 40:17Speaker 5: you know, people be on their last day and I'm
- 40:19Speaker 5: like where they're going? Oh I and that's waiting for
- 40:22Speaker 5: How did that feel? Ten years and now you got
- 40:24Speaker 5: to leave the country.
- 40:26Speaker 1: Well, listen, my lawyers wanted me to fight for my
- 40:31Speaker 1: freedom and to get a bell pending my immigration case,
- 40:37Speaker 1: which I believe I could have gotten, but I would
- 40:40Speaker 1: have had to stay a few more weeks. I couldn't
- 40:43Speaker 1: do it. So when you asked me how I felt,
- 40:46Speaker 1: I didn't want to do another day in captivity. So
- 40:49Speaker 1: I told them, listen, send me to believe. I prefer
- 40:51Speaker 1: to be free, and I make my way back. I
- 40:54Speaker 1: make my way back. I didn't think it would take
- 40:56Speaker 1: thirteen years to make my way back.
- 40:58Speaker 3: But I thought a puff gave you a bag when
- 41:01Speaker 3: you came home.
- 41:02Speaker 1: No, no, So when you saw me, so to answer
- 41:06Speaker 1: your question, when you saw me, I was in Jerusalem.
- 41:09Speaker 1: So I was doing my spiritual journey.
- 41:13Speaker 3: I was.
- 41:15Speaker 1: Orthodox Jew throughout my entire incarceration, rapping to filling, keeping Shabbat.
- 41:22Speaker 1: I didn't even use the phone through anything. On the Sabbath,
- 41:27Speaker 1: I ate kolsher, I was wearing sit sits. I was
- 41:31Speaker 1: doing everything because being a Jew has no race. So
- 41:36Speaker 1: when people say, oh, how as a black person you
- 41:40Speaker 1: didn't become Muslim, is because Muslims believe in the Five
- 41:45Speaker 1: Books of Moses too. So religion is not a race.
- 41:51Speaker 1: Anybody could be a Jew. You just have to practice,
- 41:54Speaker 1: and you know, depending on what type of Jew you
- 41:57Speaker 1: want to be. It's like Catholicism or Christianity. There's Orthodox Christians,
- 42:02Speaker 1: there's anyway. When you saw me with puff, I was
- 42:06Speaker 1: in Jerusalem. I was going through my spiritual journey and
- 42:10Speaker 1: I just felt that forgiveness and moving on was something
- 42:16Speaker 1: I did for myself. I wasn't doing that for him,
- 42:20Speaker 1: and I was taking the hiatus from the industry. And
- 42:23Speaker 1: when I initially came out in two thousand and now,
- 42:25Speaker 1: I was going hard on everybody, on him, on fifty,
- 42:29Speaker 1: on trake, on raws, I was just arguing with everybody.
- 42:32Speaker 1: I was, man, it was terrible. But then I was
- 42:35Speaker 1: on well listen, So so it was two thousand and twelve,
- 42:43Speaker 1: I believe two thousand and yeah, twenty twelve, when I
- 42:48Speaker 1: reached out to him, I just cold I just made
- 42:50Speaker 1: a cold call. He actually had the same number and
- 42:54Speaker 1: he answered. I was like, listen, you know, uh, let's
- 42:58Speaker 1: sit down. And then when I went to see him
- 43:01Speaker 1: in Paris, that's when you see me with the with
- 43:03Speaker 1: the jew curls and the long robe and the high socks.
- 43:07Speaker 1: I was, I was on it. Yeah, So we went.
- 43:12Speaker 1: I went to the lam Maurice and we met at
- 43:14Speaker 1: the lam Maurice. And the interesting thing with Pugh, he's
- 43:21Speaker 1: so the Loice is like, hey, you know, I'm sorry man.
- 43:24Speaker 1: You know it was the lawyers. The lawyers made me
- 43:26Speaker 1: do it. But don't worry. We're gonna make everything right.
- 43:30Speaker 1: And I'm like, hey, you know my brother.
- 43:32Speaker 2: Yeah, So your question was you got a couple of minutes.
- 43:34Speaker 1: Hold on, hold on.
- 43:35Speaker 2: That's my question.
- 43:36Speaker 1: Everything that's definitely hold on, hold on, So hold on.
- 43:43Speaker 1: So you know, Cassie talks about in her in her lawsuit,
- 43:50Speaker 1: about violence and things happening, and then you know he
- 43:54Speaker 1: would spend a million half a million to you know,
- 43:57Speaker 1: cover everything up. And while I was there, everybody was
- 44:02Speaker 1: getting the rolex. That weekend, he was taking everybody for
- 44:06Speaker 1: Rolex and he took Cassie to get you know, he
- 44:11Speaker 1: blew like a half a million dollars on Cassie. So
- 44:13Speaker 1: I saw that, so I'm like, Okay, my rolex is
- 44:19Speaker 1: coming in the in the rye. No listen when they went,
- 44:23Speaker 1: when they went to get the rolexes. I think I
- 44:26Speaker 1: was late. I was late. No, no, no. I was
- 44:31Speaker 1: told that my rolex was going to be sent to me,
- 44:33Speaker 1: and yeah, my Rolex was gonna be sent to me
- 44:36Speaker 1: and Belize, and man, when I got to Belize, just
- 44:41Speaker 1: for Cassie, just hold on because I thought that I
- 44:44Speaker 1: thought I was going to get the role, get the million.
- 44:48Speaker 1: I thought I was gonna get my payment if Cassie
- 44:50Speaker 1: getting the half from my for my ten I was
- 44:54Speaker 1: saying a light one cash and then maybe one every
- 44:59Speaker 1: year for the rest of my life.
- 45:00Speaker 2: Girls before the Bros.
- 45:02Speaker 1: No, not not for the bro.
- 45:04Speaker 2: Girls, not for the bro.
- 45:05Speaker 1: That not for the brother.
- 45:07Speaker 2: I mean that's what he said.
- 45:09Speaker 1: Not for the bro, not for the bro, not for
- 45:12Speaker 1: the bro, but not for the bro that put you
- 45:14Speaker 1: in a position to have your freedom so that you
- 45:16Speaker 1: could spend a half a million girls. And so what
- 45:19Speaker 1: I'm saying is even if it's a meal. And listen,
- 45:22Speaker 1: all right, you know what, I put you on the
- 45:23Speaker 1: payroll for bad Boy forever for the rest of your life.
- 45:26Speaker 1: You get a hundred grown.
- 45:27Speaker 5: But when you look at that, you you gotta know
- 45:29Speaker 5: from the beginning that that nigga wasn't he what he
- 45:32Speaker 5: was gonna do. You got j Lo, you and him
- 45:35Speaker 5: on the front page of the daily news every fucking day.
- 45:38Speaker 5: Sean is a young nigga from Brooklyn. Shoot a nigga. Yo,
- 45:41Speaker 5: Let that nigga eat the case.
- 45:42Speaker 1: But we got past that. We got past that past.
- 45:46Speaker 1: I saved his life. He acknowledges that year. You know,
- 45:50Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I messed up. I shouldn't have did it
- 45:52Speaker 1: the way that I did it. He's free for all
- 45:56Speaker 1: of the years to put himself in a position for
- 45:58Speaker 1: Sarah on John, for all the things that he did.
- 46:02Speaker 1: I lost ten years, and what could have been even
- 46:05Speaker 1: if I wasn't a billionaire, I could have made a huntred.
- 46:08Speaker 2: He could have gave you a million for every year
- 46:09Speaker 2: and that would have been light work. But that's just
- 46:11Speaker 2: how industry, do you know?
- 46:12Speaker 1: That's how he is right? And so what I'm saying
- 46:16Speaker 1: is fine. When I saw that it wasn't going that way.
- 46:20Speaker 1: You know. I went on my Brooklyn thing again. Even
- 46:23Speaker 1: in my religious phase, was like I was, you know, Brooklyn,
- 46:28Speaker 1: I went I went nuts and I was like, man, whatever.
- 46:33Speaker 1: But then I got to a point. I did get
- 46:35Speaker 1: to a point. I'll tell you this. I went nuts
- 46:37Speaker 1: on him. And then I got to a point like
- 46:40Speaker 1: around twenty fourteen twenty fifteen, I gone back to Belize
- 46:46Speaker 1: and that's when I got into politics. I got out
- 46:49Speaker 1: of the religious. I'm still like, I still light a
- 46:53Speaker 1: candle on Shabbat, I still wrap my ta filling every day.
- 46:57Speaker 1: I still fast on you, kipor I still you know,
- 47:00Speaker 1: I'm Moses. I'm gonna always be Moses, and I always
- 47:04Speaker 1: apply to sciences and Moses. But I'm just about bringing
- 47:07Speaker 1: people together. We talked about that in the green room.
- 47:10Speaker 1: I'm the elder Statesman and I'm Moses. I'm here to
- 47:12Speaker 1: bring everybody together. Moses married the Ethiopian. Moses's father was
- 47:18Speaker 1: one of the biggest Apollo Theists, and he brought everybody together. So,
- 47:25Speaker 1: you know, my thing. When I got to Belize and
- 47:29Speaker 1: I was focused on serving the people of Belieze, I
- 47:33Speaker 1: had gotten out of religion and I was focused on beliefs.
- 47:36Speaker 1: BELIEVEE believes because belize has so much potential, but not
- 47:39Speaker 1: the leaders that could take them to that potential. And
- 47:42Speaker 1: I knew that was my calling. And so while I
- 47:45Speaker 1: was going through that, I had the time in Jerusalem,
- 47:48Speaker 1: which was great. I would never change that for anything,
- 47:52Speaker 1: because Jerusalem is the center of the universe for Jews, Muslims, Christians, Catholics,
- 48:00Speaker 1: everybody goes to Jerusalem. And when I got to a
- 48:05Speaker 1: point of serving the people of beliefs before I got
- 48:08Speaker 1: elected in twenty twenty, so I served six years in
- 48:11Speaker 1: the community before I got elected. But I just got
- 48:14Speaker 1: to a point where I was like, you know what,
- 48:18Speaker 1: I need to let that go. No money, nothing, just
- 48:24Speaker 1: let that go. Just let that go. Just focus on
- 48:28Speaker 1: the people of beliefs and just let that go. Right.
- 48:32Speaker 1: It can't help, it can only hurt. Let all of
- 48:37Speaker 1: that go. Don't argue with anybody, don't have anything with anybody.
- 48:41Speaker 1: Focus on the people of beliefs. And I was better
- 48:46Speaker 1: off for it. But I let it go. Let it go.
- 48:49Speaker 1: I didn't let it go like, yeah, maybe I'll get
- 48:51Speaker 1: the million now. And so when you saw me with
- 48:57Speaker 1: him at the BT Awards, he begged me to do that.
- 49:03Speaker 1: He begged me to do that, and I was thinking
- 49:06Speaker 1: about Belize when I did that. If you remember the performance,
- 49:09Speaker 1: the biggest flag of Belieze that you ever are going
- 49:12Speaker 1: to see dropped on the stage and he's like, Belize, Belize.
- 49:18Speaker 1: And before the rico he was puff Daddy, one of
- 49:22Speaker 1: the most famous people on planet Earth. And so using
- 49:27Speaker 1: that stage to promote Belize was a no brainer. But
- 49:31Speaker 1: it wasn't like, oh, it was you and your man.
- 49:34Speaker 1: I wasn't that Thanksgiving. I wasn't at the Christmas party.
- 49:38Speaker 1: You know, he didn't come to Belize. We wasn't wrolling
- 49:41Speaker 1: like that. But when I got elected to the House
- 49:46Speaker 1: of Representatives and I got my diplomatic visa, that's another thing.
- 49:51Speaker 1: He didn't get me a visa. I got a diplomatic visa.
- 49:54Speaker 1: But in all respect to him, when I was planning
- 49:58Speaker 1: my diplomatic tour as the opposition leader of the House
- 50:04Speaker 1: of Representatives in Belize, I reached out to him and
- 50:07Speaker 1: to listen to any politicians, anybody that you know, let
- 50:12Speaker 1: me know so I could put them on my itinerary,
- 50:14Speaker 1: because I want to meet with all these people for
- 50:17Speaker 1: the sake of believes so, in all fairness to him
- 50:20Speaker 1: and this guy uh Corey Corey Jacobs, they put me
- 50:26Speaker 1: with the a great conglomerate of musicians like Dallas Austin
- 50:31Speaker 1: and Sean Garrett, along with my sister to this day,
- 50:38Speaker 1: Erica I don't want to say her name wrong, Erica Thomas.
- 50:41Speaker 1: I believe she was a member of the Georgia UH
- 50:47Speaker 1: House of Representatives. So and so they have this thing
- 50:51Speaker 1: whereas members of Catherine uh Brutin and Dallas Austin, and
- 50:58Speaker 1: I think even like Shackasulu, and I think even maybe
- 51:01Speaker 1: Jermaine and Michael B. Cox were part of it at
- 51:04Speaker 1: one point, if not still along with you know, all
- 51:08Speaker 1: these members of the Georgia House and Senate. Right, So
- 51:14Speaker 1: that was great for me to meet with them on
- 51:17Speaker 1: behalf of Belize and put that together. So he did
- 51:19Speaker 1: put me with them. But you can't get a diplomatic
- 51:23Speaker 1: visa unless you're a member of the House of Representatives
- 51:26Speaker 1: and the State Department of Homeland Security don't play. I
- 51:30Speaker 1: have friends in governments throughout the Caribbean that are ministers
- 51:33Speaker 1: that don't get a diplomatic visa. So I had a
- 51:37Speaker 1: relationship with the State Department and Homeland Security for years
- 51:43Speaker 1: because I was the government's ambassador. But my Pops, who
- 51:48Speaker 1: you know, him, and I have always had a shaky
- 51:50Speaker 1: relationship to this day. I don't really want to get
- 51:54Speaker 1: into that now that I'm gonna ease him, but he
- 51:57Speaker 1: when he was Prime Minister, he refused to appoint me
- 52:01Speaker 1: to the UN so that I could get the diplomatic
- 52:05Speaker 1: passport and visa. And as I said, in fairness to him,
- 52:09Speaker 1: the Americans let who they want to let come to
- 52:12Speaker 1: their country. So if they felt, you know what, now,
- 52:15Speaker 1: we're not going to give you the visa, they weren't,
- 52:18Speaker 1: so nobody could get you a diplomatic visa. And now
- 52:23Speaker 1: I am here on an extraordinary ability visa one because
- 52:28Speaker 1: I won Grammys, sold millions of records. And the time
- 52:31Speaker 1: of my deportation is sixteen years ago, so my band,
- 52:35Speaker 1: I think was like ten years. So I qualify on
- 52:39Speaker 1: all grounds. And then I've had a stellar record as
- 52:45Speaker 1: a diplomat, meeting with Republicans with Democrats. To this day,
- 52:50Speaker 1: I have friendships with Republicans. The ambassador that it just
- 52:57Speaker 1: got appointed by President Trump, he's from South Carolina and
- 53:01Speaker 1: I met him through a Democratic state member of the House,
- 53:07Speaker 1: because when I was honored in the South Carolina Capital,
- 53:12Speaker 1: I made sure to ask my Democratic friends to let
- 53:15Speaker 1: me meet the Republicans because governments change, minorities and majorities change,
- 53:23Speaker 1: and I wanted to be that no matter who is
- 53:25Speaker 1: the President, no matter who is the House majority leader,
- 53:31Speaker 1: I have a relationship for the sake of the Belizean people.
- 53:34Speaker 1: And that worked because even though President Biden, I got
- 53:38Speaker 1: my diplomatic visa on the President Biden, I got my
- 53:42Speaker 1: old one on the President Trump right. And if President
- 53:46Speaker 1: Trump asked me to come to Marrowl Logo tomorrow, I'll
- 53:50Speaker 1: go on behalf of the Belizean people, just as if
- 53:54Speaker 1: President Biden would have invited me to the White House
- 53:58Speaker 1: of come Lord support, No, No, I support. Hakim Jeffries
- 54:05Speaker 1: is my guy. He's he walred with Trump all the time.
- 54:10Speaker 1: But Hakem Jefferies just gave me a proclamation for my
- 54:14Speaker 1: twenty fifth anniversary of the Shine album. The Borough. President
- 54:20Speaker 1: Renoso is my brother. He just gave me the key
- 54:23Speaker 1: to Brooklyn on Saturday and declared April twenty fifth, Yeah
- 54:28Speaker 1: declared then.
- 54:30Speaker 5: You know, yeah, not to cut you off, man, but
- 54:33Speaker 5: it's like you went through you went through being a
- 54:36Speaker 5: mega stall on one of the biggest labels ever, doing
- 54:40Speaker 5: ten years in prison. Right, didn't get deported, didn't turn
- 54:46Speaker 5: into politicians to shout.
- 54:47Speaker 1: To the police.
- 54:47Speaker 5: I heard, it's a beautiful country, my paradise. The family
- 54:50Speaker 5: just went there. They got beautiful beaches, beautiful land. I heard,
- 54:53Speaker 5: it's like, it's beautiful. And now you're like in the government,
- 54:59Speaker 5: you know, doing state stuff, Like what would you tell
- 55:01Speaker 5: the kids, because you know it's still crazy stuff.
- 55:03Speaker 1: Well, I lost my seat in the House of Representatives,
- 55:06Speaker 1: which is why I returned to the stage. I lost
- 55:09Speaker 1: my seat March twelfth, twenty twenty five. Last year, stole
- 55:14Speaker 1: a seat from me. My own people, the people in
- 55:16Speaker 1: my own political party stole the seat from me. But again,
- 55:20Speaker 1: never to sit there and cry and be sad, I
- 55:23Speaker 1: came up with a plan. I said, it's my twenty
- 55:24Speaker 1: fifth anniversary. I got a few years until the next elections.
- 55:29Speaker 1: You know what, I'm gonna celebrate my twenty fifth anniversary
- 55:32Speaker 1: a shine and I'm going to return to the stage.
- 55:34Speaker 1: And remember I put out the Hulu documentary again, respect
- 55:37Speaker 1: the fifty and Alex who did their Reckoning documentary. I
- 55:41Speaker 1: got the honorable documentary on Hulu that I put out
- 55:45Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. And when I put out that documentary,
- 55:48Speaker 1: I had told Disney that I was going to put
- 55:51Speaker 1: out an album, the Honorable Album, but I couldn't do
- 55:55Speaker 1: it because I was so focused on policy and being
- 55:59Speaker 1: the leader of the opposition, the leader of the opposition
- 56:01Speaker 1: and believes is the prime minister in waiting, so you're
- 56:05Speaker 1: an election away from being the prime minister of a country.
- 56:08Speaker 1: And I took that very serious on behalf of hip hop,
- 56:12Speaker 1: on behalf of myself, but on behalf of hip hop,
- 56:14Speaker 1: that I couldn't disappoint hip hop, that we get an
- 56:17Speaker 1: opportunity to do something that is beyond the culture and
- 56:21Speaker 1: we make the culture look bad because we're not prepared
- 56:24Speaker 1: because we're not proficient. So I said, you know what,
- 56:27Speaker 1: I'm going to focus and be the best political leader
- 56:29Speaker 1: that I could be, and they'll come a time for
- 56:31Speaker 1: the music again, if that's what God wants. And so
- 56:34Speaker 1: when the opportunity came, I said, ah, you know what,
- 56:37Speaker 1: I got timed. I got time today. And that's how
- 56:41Speaker 1: it happened, because you know, getting to dret, I gotta
- 56:44Speaker 1: fly there. I got I wait a few days until
- 56:48Speaker 1: he's available. I got to come back. You know, the
- 56:52Speaker 1: relationship that I developed with Dre is like as a brother,
- 56:56Speaker 1: like as he's an idol, he's an icon. But it
- 57:00Speaker 1: went from the first meeting was leader the leader, and
- 57:02Speaker 1: then I developed a relationship with him, and I did
- 57:05Speaker 1: that with every producer that's on the album. I went
- 57:08Speaker 1: to see Jermaine, I went to see Swiss, I went
- 57:11Speaker 1: to see Timberland, I went to see Rizard. Right. I
- 57:15Speaker 1: didn't get to a Boy Wonder because he's in Canada,
- 57:19Speaker 1: but I went to see hip Boy.
- 57:21Speaker 2: Right.
- 57:22Speaker 1: But so for the kids that are listening, you are
- 57:28Speaker 1: whatever you work hard to be the teacher. The principal
- 57:33Speaker 1: said today to the kids at PS ninety two, disguise
- 57:36Speaker 1: the limit. I told him, no, the skies just step one.
- 57:41Speaker 1: There is no limit. After you reach the sky, then
- 57:45Speaker 1: you go to another planet, then you go to another planet,
- 57:48Speaker 1: then you just go throughout the universe. Then you just this.
- 57:52Speaker 1: There's no end to the universe. Scientifically, there's no end
- 57:57Speaker 1: to the universe. There's no end to what a young
- 58:00Speaker 1: person could do out there. But as you see my story,
- 58:04Speaker 1: it will be difficult, it will be painful. I'm not
- 58:06Speaker 1: gonna lie to you. I'm not gonna cap and have
- 58:10Speaker 1: you think that, Oh, just get up, brush your teeth,
- 58:14Speaker 1: say your prayer, listen to your mom and your teacher.
- 58:16Speaker 1: In life is going to be perfect. No, it's gonna
- 58:18Speaker 1: hit you hard. It's gonna be challenges, but you you
- 58:21Speaker 1: can face those challenges. You can overcome those challenges and
- 58:26Speaker 1: give yourself time.
- 58:27Speaker 4: You got these young ones out here, young boys shooting, fifteen,
- 58:30Speaker 4: fifteen year old dying. Yeah, I feel like sometimes it'd
- 58:33Speaker 4: be easy just for rappers and people like in opposition
- 58:36Speaker 4: to go stay out of trouble just but we gotta really,
- 58:39Speaker 4: I don't know.
- 58:39Speaker 1: Like, yeah, but I lived that. I live that, and
- 58:43Speaker 1: I'm living that now by even being here, I'm they
- 58:48Speaker 1: could tell you I'm here by myself. Back in the days,
- 58:53Speaker 1: we would have came here. No, you'd have came here.
- 58:55Speaker 1: We would have thought, Oh I would I don't even
- 58:56Speaker 1: think I would have came here. We would have No,
- 59:00Speaker 1: I'm telling you, we weren't even made up. We weren't
- 59:02Speaker 1: even made up. Everybody would have had the smokers and
- 59:06Speaker 1: it'd be like, yeah, I'm in the town again. When
- 59:07Speaker 1: I run in them dudes, Well, you know.
- 59:09Speaker 2: It's so exciting.
- 59:10Speaker 1: That's what we were doing. We were showing at each other.
- 59:13Speaker 1: We were trying to kill each other back in the day.
- 59:15Speaker 3: Definitely so.
- 59:17Speaker 1: But this is where we're supposed to be. We deserve
- 59:20Speaker 1: to grow old, We deserve to take care of our grandkids.
- 59:24Speaker 1: You deserve that vacation with your family and beliez and
- 59:28Speaker 1: when you get there, it's like we roll out the
- 59:31Speaker 1: red carpet. We don't deserve to die early. You kids there.
- 59:36Speaker 1: That is not hip hop. And that's why I'm coming
- 59:39Speaker 1: back because I'm not coming back to rap about shooting
- 59:42Speaker 1: anybody or killing anybody. I'm coming back to rap about
- 59:46Speaker 1: this journey and my projection and developing believes and opening
- 59:50Speaker 1: the Brooklyn chop House and and just doing all types
- 59:55Speaker 1: of fascinating things and you know, making love to my
- 59:59Speaker 1: woman and just having a great adult contemporary hip hop
- 1:00:04Speaker 1: life world leader hic.
- 1:00:07Speaker 3: Right.
- 1:00:07Speaker 1: We deserve to be presidents, We deserve to be CEOs
- 1:00:11Speaker 1: and billionaires. This idea that in order to be African,
- 1:00:16Speaker 1: to be brown and black in America, you have to
- 1:00:19Speaker 1: be a gangster, you have to be a gang banger.
- 1:00:22Speaker 1: I reject that. I renounced that. That is a lie.
- 1:00:25Speaker 1: That is not true. You need to be alive, you
- 1:00:29Speaker 1: need to be successful, and you can be. America is
- 1:00:34Speaker 1: the greatest country on Earth. I love Belieze, but America
- 1:00:38Speaker 1: is a developed nation. Belieze, we're developing one day, believes
- 1:00:42Speaker 1: will be the greatest. Belize has the greatest people because
- 1:00:46Speaker 1: that is my home. But you guys understand, you gotta
- 1:00:49Speaker 1: understand what I'm saying, right, I just mean as far
- 1:00:52Speaker 1: as developed nations, you guys have so much opportunities. I pray,
- 1:00:57Speaker 1: and that's why I wanted to be Prime Minister Belieze,
- 1:01:00Speaker 1: and I still do so I could give the Belizeans
- 1:01:02Speaker 1: the opportunity that you have in America. So for you
- 1:01:06Speaker 1: young kids here in America, no no, no, no drug trafficker,
- 1:01:12Speaker 1: gang banger, pimp, all of that that was our eraror
- 1:01:17Speaker 1: that is like a dinosaur. You need to be alive,
- 1:01:20Speaker 1: take advantage of these opportunities. AI is about to replace,
- 1:01:24Speaker 1: is about to replace the human race, and you guys,
- 1:01:27Speaker 1: if you keep thugging and bugging, gonna be the first
- 1:01:31Speaker 1: that they make extinct. So please, And.
- 1:01:33Speaker 5: It's cameras everywhere, so you can't do anything anyway. It's
- 1:01:37Speaker 5: the real report. Mike Share subscribed we got Sean in
- 1:01:40Speaker 5: the building. Make sure y'all check his documentary. Check out
- 1:01:43Speaker 5: the new album he got talk them All, his life story,
- 1:01:46Speaker 5: doing ten years in prison, hit albums, coming out and
- 1:01:50Speaker 5: doing stuff with the government representative. It's on Sean Pope.
- 1:01:54Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Brooklyn. Good luck surviving the offseason football fans.
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- 1:02:09Speaker 1: It's like a part of me just died inside two
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- 1:02:15Speaker 4: But tonight I won't just cry because I've got.
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