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Sex assaulter Bill Cosby's new demand to a judge · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: I'm stories with Nancy Grace on serious x M triumph.
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  Speaker 1: Does it never end with this guy? Bill Cosby, convicted
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  Speaker 1: of sex assault, is slung up at his multimillion dollar
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  Speaker 1: brownstone with his private chef and all his lackey's fawning
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  Speaker 1: over him. He has now actually insisted the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: throw out a defamation case by a woman who claims
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  Speaker 1: he raped her because she has exploited her celebrity status.
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  Speaker 1: What I mean, I can't. If I if I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: looking at my notes, I may not remember which one
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  Speaker 1: of his assault victims she is. How can she be
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  Speaker 1: exploiting her celebrity status? No? No, it never ends with
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  Speaker 1: this guy. He's been convicted by a jury of a
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  Speaker 1: violent sex assault and he's still out from behind bars,
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  Speaker 1: living the good life. In fact, just recently he had
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  Speaker 1: a party that was so loud cops were called to
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  Speaker 1: tell him to quiet down. This is just wrong, I
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. I've tried plenty of rape cases, plenty of
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  Speaker 1: rape cases, and when the jury said guilty and bam
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  Speaker 1: the gavel comes down, that guy goes to jail. He
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  Speaker 1: does not go back home. To his multimillion dollar brown stone,
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  Speaker 1: with his private chef cooking up treats for him, surrounded
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  Speaker 1: by yes guys throwing parties that the police have to
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  Speaker 1: show up and quiet down. Why isn't he in jail?
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  Speaker 1: And how dare he claim one of his assault victims
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  Speaker 1: is exploiting her celebrity status. Maybe I've got my facts
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  Speaker 1: wrong with me and Bremner, high profile lawyer out of
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  Speaker 1: Seattle who is representing a Cosby victim, Cheryl McCullum, director
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  Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Research Institute, juvenile judge, lawyer and
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  Speaker 1: founder of child Crime Watch dot com. Ashley Wilcott renew
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  Speaker 1: New York psychologist Karen Stark and joining me right now.
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  Speaker 1: Investigative reporter with Radar Online dot Com. Alexis Tourez check Alexis,
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  Speaker 1: what do I have it backwards? I wish you did,
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  Speaker 1: but no, you you haven't exactly right. This woman, Katherine McKee,
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  Speaker 1: she was an actress. She was actually Sammy Davis Jr's girlfriend.
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  Speaker 1: This is a woman who was well known on her
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  Speaker 1: own was assault was well known? You know what? Of
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  Speaker 1: course I know who's Sammy Davis Jr. It was I
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  Speaker 1: know that. But if you strike a jury right now
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  Speaker 1: with a bunch of millennials. They're not even gonna know
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  Speaker 1: what you're talking about. They're not gonna know who the
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  Speaker 1: rat pack was. They have no idea exploiting her celebrity
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  Speaker 1: status because at one time, forty years ago, she dated
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  Speaker 1: Sammy Davis Jr. Really, what is he saying, Alexis Bill
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  Speaker 1: Cosby is saying that this woman extended her fifteen minutes
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  Speaker 1: of fame because of him. He's saying that she even
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  Speaker 1: interview about the attacks, which I think all maybe sixty
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  Speaker 1: women gave interviews about Bill Cosby. She confirmed that, yes,
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  Speaker 1: she was one of his victims. And he says because
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  Speaker 1: of that, she has lost any right to sue him.
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  Speaker 1: And so he's actually taking this all the way to
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  Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. He has a nerve. He's got a
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  Speaker 1: nerve that she's extending her fifteen moments of fame. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I hardly think too. And Bremner, high profile Seattle lawyer
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  Speaker 1: who was representing a Cosby attack victim, I hardly think
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  Speaker 1: she wants to extend her fame by saying I was
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  Speaker 1: raped by Bill Cosby, well exactly. And and the fact
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  Speaker 1: that he's petitioning to the U s Supreme Court, and
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  Speaker 1: it's kind of a basically topsy turvy situation where he's
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  Speaker 1: basically saying she's a public figure under the laws, therefore
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  Speaker 1: there has to be proof of actual malice, and she's
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  Speaker 1: a public figure because she used her quote unquote celebrity
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  Speaker 1: status based on her you know, affiliation, so to speak
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  Speaker 1: with him and what she said publicly, I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: just outrageous. And also we all we know that because
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  Speaker 1: we have saw a lot of victims get around the
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  Speaker 1: statue of limitations by using defamation as a claim, because
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  Speaker 1: that's a more recent act, so to speak by him.
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  Speaker 1: This is Cathy McKee as she describes her alleged rate
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  Speaker 1: at the hands of Bill Cosby. Listen. I was on
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  Speaker 1: the road with Sammy Davis at the time, and often
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  Speaker 1: we would cross paths with incoming acts or outcoming they
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  Speaker 1: need to believing, and we'd be coming in or we'd
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  Speaker 1: be leaving closing and they'd be coming in and we
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  Speaker 1: would hook up, you know, and sometimes go out to
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  Speaker 1: dinner or hang out or whatever. So this is how
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  Speaker 1: it happened. I was on the road with Sammy. We
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  Speaker 1: were probably playing the Pine Knob Theater because we used
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  Speaker 1: to come here and play that that that location Pine
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  Speaker 1: Nabb and Uh. So I saw Bill. He was a friend.
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  Speaker 1: I had been out many occasions with groups of people
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  Speaker 1: with Bill to dinner. We'd run into each other in
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  Speaker 1: New York or something. And that's why this was so
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  Speaker 1: shocking and surprising when it happened to me, because we
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  Speaker 1: didn't have that kind of relationship. We weren't we weren't
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  Speaker 1: attracted to each other like that, And there was no
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  Speaker 1: nothing like this. It wasn't about a sexual relationship. It
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  Speaker 1: was just about friends that knew each other. And he
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  Speaker 1: knew Sammy very well. So I was really shocked when
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  Speaker 1: it happened. Really, Bill had I called him first, Um,
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  Speaker 1: and he said, listen, why don't you come by and
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  Speaker 1: take me to a party. There was a party on
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  Speaker 1: a yacht that he was the guest of honor, I
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  Speaker 1: would imagine, UM, and he wanted me to bring ribs.
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  Speaker 1: There was a barbecue place back in the day in Detroit,
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  Speaker 1: and so I said, okay, sure, I'll bring you some ribs.
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  Speaker 1: You know, no problem. So I arrived at the hotel,
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  Speaker 1: knocked on the door. Um. He opened the door. He
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  Speaker 1: was wearing a robe and a hat cap and I
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  Speaker 1: stepped in and he took the ribs out of my hand,
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  Speaker 1: set them down on the table, shut the door, pulled
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  Speaker 1: me to him, spun me around, and had his way
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  Speaker 1: with me. Um. It was very quick and very fast,
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't even there was nothing enjoyable or pleasant
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  Speaker 1: about it. Shall we say? I was shocked because I
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  Speaker 1: had known him for such a long time and we
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  Speaker 1: had a friendly friendship relationship, and it stunned me. And
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  Speaker 1: it happened quick fast, bada boom bada, bing over and out.
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  Speaker 1: I pulled myself together, went into the powder room, you know,
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  Speaker 1: straightened myself up, and Bill went and got dressed, came
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  Speaker 1: back out and joined me, and we left. Come on,
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  Speaker 1: let's go. We left. We went to get in the
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  Speaker 1: car and go to this party, which I was driving
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  Speaker 1: him because that's why I had come there, was to
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  Speaker 1: pick him up. Um. So that's what happened the actual event.
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  Speaker 1: After this had happened with Bill, he became like a
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  Speaker 1: different person. This was not the same Bill Casby that
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  Speaker 1: I had known all the years. It was like a different,
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  Speaker 1: uh person emerged, a different personality. So the whole evening
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  Speaker 1: was from that point on. Once he took me and
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  Speaker 1: had his way with me. He changed his attitude changed up.
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  Speaker 1: He got really moody and really dark, and he barely
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  Speaker 1: spoke two words to me the rest of the evening.
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  Speaker 1: And we went on this yacht where all these people were.
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  Speaker 1: So I went and mingled with the people. I got
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  Speaker 1: away from Bill, and as the evening went on, you know,
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  Speaker 1: all I could do was just couldn't wait for this
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  Speaker 1: boat to dock so I could get off and get
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  Speaker 1: in my car and get the heck out of there.
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  Speaker 1: That's all I wanted to do, was get away, because
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  Speaker 1: it was clear that once it was as if Bill
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  Speaker 1: had had to morphed into another person, an ugly person,
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  Speaker 1: and it was just a very uncomfortable situation. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: tell Sammy about it. I didn't figure that it was
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  Speaker 1: anything that Sammy needed to know. He had a lot
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  Speaker 1: of his own personal problems, and he had to do
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  Speaker 1: his shows, and he had to deal with all kinds
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  Speaker 1: of other stuff going on in his life. And I
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  Speaker 1: really didn't tell anybody, um except I have a couple
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  Speaker 1: of girlfriends in Los Angeles that I shared it with.
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  Speaker 1: But I you know, it was very embarrassing what happened,
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  Speaker 1: and how how he took advantage of me like that. Um,
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  Speaker 1: and I always like to feel that I'm in control
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  Speaker 1: and I have the power, and I'm a strong woman,
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  Speaker 1: and so I didn't really find being a victim an
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  Speaker 1: interesting tale to tell to anybody. He is known as
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  Speaker 1: America's Dad, but funny guy Bill Cosby the target a
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  Speaker 1: police investigations, prosecutions, but now he is the one claiming
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  Speaker 1: it's all the victim's fault. You were hearing Kathy McKee
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  Speaker 1: as she described her alleged rate at the hands of
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  Speaker 1: Bill Cosby am Bremer high profiles. He had a lawyer
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  Speaker 1: representing a Cosby victim. Is the same story over and
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  Speaker 1: over and over. He shows up in his house robe
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  Speaker 1: and bam, the next thing you know, the victim has
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  Speaker 1: been attacked. Well. Absolutely, and we have to think that
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  Speaker 1: there's a number of victims out there, including my client,
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  Speaker 1: that have not said anything publicly and have a statute
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  Speaker 1: of limitations issue unless they come into the arena with
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  Speaker 1: the defamation case. Because we know every time there's a
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  Speaker 1: lawsuit or public statement, he his lawyers and he strike back,
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  Speaker 1: and that's how these cases are invited. But they're they're
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  Speaker 1: all identical. Nancy, you know bath robes either is house
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  Speaker 1: or someone else. He's giving them promises of fame and fortune.
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  Speaker 1: He drugs them. You know, the only thing different in
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  Speaker 1: my case is that he dumped my client out in
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  Speaker 1: a terrible neighborhood and also offered to be a graduation
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  Speaker 1: speaker to college and gave her money. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: she was aspiring model, she was young, she trusted him.
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  Speaker 1: He was America's dad. It's just the same story over
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  Speaker 1: and over again. Now explain to me it looks as
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  Speaker 1: to rest Chuck Investigative Reporter or the writar online dot
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  Speaker 1: Com exactly what this most recent legal maneuver by Bill
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  Speaker 1: Cosby is to me, is just another way to delay
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  Speaker 1: him going to jail. This is a case that is
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  Speaker 1: separate from his criminal case, and he is sentenced the
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  Speaker 1: scheduled to be sentenced in September. But the thing is,
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  Speaker 1: unlike everybody else, and you're the lawyer, I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: I find that the cases that I've covered, people get
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  Speaker 1: convicted of rate, they go right to jail. Not Bill Cosby.
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  Speaker 1: The judge said, oh you can, we can wait, you know,
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  Speaker 1: ninety days before I'm in a sentence. You so he
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  Speaker 1: is not in jail. What he's doing. He has filed
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  Speaker 1: with the Supreme Court. He has asked the Supreme Court
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  Speaker 1: to throw out this woman's case. It has made it
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  Speaker 1: all the way to Spreme Court. He's asking them to
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  Speaker 1: consider it, asking him to throw it out. Because she
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  Speaker 1: she persists she's not giving up. Every time he comes
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  Speaker 1: back with his high power lawyers to try to shut
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  Speaker 1: her case down, she still fights back because she wants justice.
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  Speaker 1: She wants him to stop saying these bad things about her,
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  Speaker 1: to say that that she's extending her fame because she is.
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  Speaker 1: She feels that she's justified in her case. He's a
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  Speaker 1: convicted rapist, and she wants him to stop talking badly
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  Speaker 1: about her, and she wants him to admit what he's done.
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  Speaker 1: And but he's using his attorneys to go all the
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  Speaker 1: way to the Supreme Court, the United States Supreme Court,
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  Speaker 1: where there are so many cases that are so important
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  Speaker 1: across the nation, and he is he is saying that
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  Speaker 1: she's using her celebrity to attack him. Well, she's no
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  Speaker 1: longer a celebrity. I don't know that she would be
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  Speaker 1: described as a celebrity even at the time when she
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  Speaker 1: was dating Sammy Davis Jr. To CHERRYL. McCollum, director of
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  Speaker 1: the Cold Case Research Institute, I'm going to you because
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  Speaker 1: her sex assault case, allegedly at the hands of Bill Cosby,
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  Speaker 1: would be a coal case. She says Cosby attacked her
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  Speaker 1: in a Michigan hotel room in the seventies. She told
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  Speaker 1: her story to the New York Daily News in two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and fourteen. She then files a defamation lawsuit against Cosby.
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  Speaker 1: Defamation is either libel, which is a written lie about you,
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  Speaker 1: or slander, which is an oral when you just speak
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  Speaker 1: the lie about someone. And so she says Cosby defamed
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  Speaker 1: her by calling her a liar. Okay, Now Cosby is
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  Speaker 1: demanding the case be dismissed because she was exploiting her
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  Speaker 1: celebrity status. I don't know if that's even a reason
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  Speaker 1: to have a case dismissed. But she's mr statute of limitations.
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  Speaker 1: She cannot prosecute him for rape now, but by him
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  Speaker 1: calling her a lawyer, she can't go after him for defamation. Absolutely, Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: Mr Cosby is worried about the wrong thing. First of all,
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  Speaker 1: maybe the first thirty victims, we're trying to get some celebrity.
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  Speaker 1: But now you're pulling the oldest defense in the book.
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  Speaker 1: Let's play the victim. Okay, maybe Nick, he'll pull out
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  Speaker 1: you know, she wanted it, or she asked for it
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  Speaker 1: by the way she was dressed, or she wanted me
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  Speaker 1: so bad she came to my hotel room. Really, this
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  Speaker 1: is what you're talking about. Let me tell you something.
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  Speaker 1: Whatever happened in that hotel room. Here's what's key to me.
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  Speaker 1: She knows what hotel rooms. She knows what date and
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  Speaker 1: time Bill Cosby was at a certain location. How would
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  Speaker 1: she possibly know that pretty good memory, and not only that,
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  Speaker 1: the other details. And do you ask she Wilcott found
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  Speaker 1: her a child crime watch dot Com judge and lawyer
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  Speaker 1: or Ashley. When you are corroborating somebody's testimony, okay, and
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  Speaker 1: you don't have semen, you don't have a quote blue
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  Speaker 1: dress like Monica Lewinsky had, You don't have uh beating
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  Speaker 1: with bruises and cuts and eyewitnesses and d NA. You
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  Speaker 1: corroborate anyway you can, like Cheryl McCullum is saying, for instance,
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  Speaker 1: she had the date correct, she had the location correct,
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  Speaker 1: that hotel, that event, that barbecue dinner. Why she was
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  Speaker 1: in the hotel room that he came to the door
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  Speaker 1: in a house rood. That's what all the victims say.
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  Speaker 1: That his m O was the same as it has
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  Speaker 1: been with all these other people. And to me, that
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  Speaker 1: corroborates her story to a large degree. Ashley, it does
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  Speaker 1: because the details. But the other important piece to note
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  Speaker 1: is she has spoken about with the incident more than
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  Speaker 1: once and she has been consistent with all of those details.
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  Speaker 1: And that is a telltale sign that she's being honest
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  Speaker 1: and truthful and not forgetting what she's lied about. It's
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  Speaker 1: exactly what happened, and she's been consistent in telling that story. Nancy,
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  Speaker 1: can I just say one more thing about the attorneys
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  Speaker 1: for Bill Cosby. Here's what they're trying to do. The
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  Speaker 1: reason they're trying to say it's her fame. They want
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  Speaker 1: to depict her as a public figure. And here's why.
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  Speaker 1: If you look at the body of case law out
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  Speaker 1: there that have been decided by courts, it generally says
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  Speaker 1: or indicates that public figures have a harder time winning
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  Speaker 1: defamation cases because often courts view it view those who
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  Speaker 1: are public figures as having voluntary ex voluntarily accepted a
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  Speaker 1: higher risk and so they therefore it's harder for them
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  Speaker 1: to win defamation because they put themselves out there. I
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  Speaker 1: don't agree with it in this case at all, but
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  Speaker 1: that's exactly why his lawyers are trying to hang their
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  Speaker 1: hat on. Oh, she's a public figure, which she no
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  Speaker 1: longer is. By the way, take a listen again to
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  Speaker 1: what Kathy McKee says happened to her in a hotel
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  Speaker 1: room along with Bill Cosby. So I arrived at the hotel,
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  Speaker 1: knocked on the door. Um, he opened the door. He
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  Speaker 1: was wearing a robe and a hat cap. And I
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  Speaker 1: stepped in and he took the ribs out of my hand,
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  Speaker 1: set them down on the table, shut the door, pulled
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  Speaker 1: me to him, spun me around and had his way
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  Speaker 1: with me. Um. It was very quick and very fast,
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  Speaker 1: and it wasn't even there was nothing enjoyable or pleasant
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  Speaker 1: about it. Shall we say? I was shocked because I
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  Speaker 1: had known him for such a long time and we
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  Speaker 1: had a friendly friendship relationship, and it stunned me. And
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  Speaker 1: it happened quick fast, bada boom bada, being over and out.
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  Speaker 1: I pulled myself together, went into the powder room, you know,
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  Speaker 1: straightened myself up, and Bill went and got dressed, came
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  Speaker 1: back out and join me in. We left, Come on,
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  Speaker 1: let's go. We left. We went to get in the car.
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  Speaker 1: so called America's Dad, Bill Cosby, He just never stops
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  Speaker 1: Now he is demanding the Supreme Court throughout a defamation
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  Speaker 1: case filed by a woman who says he raped her.
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  Speaker 1: He he Cosby is claiming she the alleged victim is
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  Speaker 1: exploiting her celebrity stats. I guess the next thing he's
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  Speaker 1: going to claim the same thing about Janice Dickinson. Everybody
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  Speaker 1: knows Janice Dickinson. She's had reality shows before that. She
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  Speaker 1: was America's first quote supermodel. Listen, I remember being humiliated,
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  Speaker 1: disgusted rule what was I had revulsion towards Cosby and
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  Speaker 1: Cosby was a very powerful man and probably still is.
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  Speaker 1: You know, I trusted this man and I stuffed it.
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  Speaker 1: I compart mentalized it because I was embarrassed. And at
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  Speaker 1: what point did you find yourself alone with Mr Cosby?
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  Speaker 1: You trusted him, but then things went in a different
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  Speaker 1: direction in your view, Mr Gardner Stu Gardner left the
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  Speaker 1: dinner table. I was alone with him and I had
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  Speaker 1: mental cramps. I had menstal my, you know, stomach cramps.
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  Speaker 1: He said, oh, I've got something for that, and he
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  Speaker 1: gave me a pill. And did you ask what it was?
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  Speaker 1: I don't remember that. I don't remember. But if he's
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  Speaker 1: giving me a pill, I trust the guy. I trusted
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  Speaker 1: Bill Cosby, so he gave me. Did you feel like
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  Speaker 1: you trusted him because of his demeanor and the promise
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  Speaker 1: of a career, and you know, I trusted him. I
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  Speaker 1: was I wanted a television career. I always had. I
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  Speaker 1: had had a successful career for commercials. I wanted to
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: take it to the next level. And at the same time,
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: though you were telling me you're in rehab, you were
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: still very fragile. He offered you wine. That was a
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: no no in your view, But now he offers you
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: a pill, and you still trust him. It was red wine.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: It was a pill. And then when I started to
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: black out, I had a polaroid camera on me. That's
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: when I took several photographs with with a polaroid when
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: I had one of the first polaroid cameras, And you know,
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: I just remembered shooting these pictures and having them on
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: me in my room the next morning when I woke up.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: The last thing I remember I was I blacked out
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and Cosby mounting me like the monster that he was,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: and I was thinking, what the heck? What the and
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: I just remember passing up. But I remember more specifically
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: waking up and that he there was a lot of
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: pain in downstairs, there a semen all over me, and
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: that my majama's bottoms were off and the top was opened,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: and I at that point fight or flight. I just
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: packed up and I got the hell out of there.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: What do you want from Bill Cosby right now? What
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: do you need to hear from him? What does he
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: need to do? I would like cause me to come
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: out and at least acknowledge that he is a pig,
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: that he is a monster, and he he has raped me.
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, pleasure Ms Freddy Rick, thank you,
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: thank you, all right, thank you. I know it's tough.
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, just apologized. I don't know how to process.
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: I do not know how to process these emotions. You know,
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't. I'm going to meditate, I'm gonna
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: go to church. I do not know. This is affectively
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: in my house. It's affecting me, and it has really
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: affected these women. To Alexis Torres Chuck, investigative reporter, writer
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: online dot Com, Janice Dickinson's report, her account of what happened,
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: like so many other of his victims, now allegedly sixty
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: she's a supermodel? Is that the next claim to try
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: to silence her as well? Alexis absolutely Bill Cosby has
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: been fighting Jannis Dickinson from day one saying that she's
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: to faming him, but she is not backing down. None
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: of these women are backing down. That that's the great thing.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: They're also empowered by his guilty verdict. That and maybe
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: even if you had been found not guilty, they would
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: still be fighting that. Kaptain Mcki, Jannis Dixonson. They are
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: not letting Bill Cosby win. He can take all the
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: way to the Supreme Court. They don't care. They're going
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: to fight back against him because they feel like that
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: the mask is off and everybody knows what Bill Cosby is.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: That he's a predator, rapist. He did this for decades
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: but half a cent treat fifty years, and they want
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: justice and they're not going to be bullied by him
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: anymore or his attorneys. And so they're gonna go all
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: the way to the Supreme Court and and fight and say,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: you know, he's saying that I'm using my fifteen minutes
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: of fame. I'm not. I'm just trying to get justice
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: and I want him to stop maligning my character, you know,
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: to Sheryl McCollum, I'm trying to determine what's the hold
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: up in him going to jail, right now again, I've
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: never seen somebody get convicted of rape and then walk
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: out of the courtroom back to their home. How how
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: did that happen? And what's going to happen next? If anything,
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: if anything, is because of his celebrity. He's going to
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: give you time to get his affairs in order before
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: he goes to prisban. But Nancy, I just want to
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: say one thing. It ain't slander if it's true, these
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: women are not back and down because they're telling the truth,
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: okay to you as you will caught way in. I
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: absolutely agree, And I think at some point all of
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: these lawsuits that Bill Cosby insists sunken genuine becomes a
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: blah blah blah. We have heard what he says, but
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: it's far outweighed by the many, many victims and what
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: they've had to say to Alexis Torres Chuck. The same
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: issue is happening with Janice Dickinson Um. She is suing
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: him now. Of course the statue of limitations on rape
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: is long past, but she also is suing him because
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: he said she quote fabricated her rape story. So it's
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: the same thing. He's using his pitbull lawyers to attack
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: her even though she claims she was drugged and raped
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: by Cosby, he calls her a liar. Now she's suing
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: him for defamation. She isn't, and she's been pretty successful
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: so far. She her case is still being heard. But
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: he is using he's attacking her. He's trying to attack
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: her this same way he physically attacked her all those
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: years ago, allegedly, he attacking her now through the court system.
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: And he's trying to say, you know, she wrote a
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: book Jannis did and she didn't mention the rate. But
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: she says, now, look, I was trying to write a
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: book that was entertaining. Yes it was a you know,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: an autobiography, but we had to have some juicy parts
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: to it. And she said, I had to cover it up.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: My lawyers, the lawyers in the publishing house wouldn't let
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: me do it back then. But now I am not
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: back down. And he's saying she's lying, she's making this up,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: she's slavery. So Karen Start NewYork psychologist, is to in
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: my mind, this is just another way to silence, right victims,
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: It's another way to silence. Then he's just trying to
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: use his celebrity and the way that he used his
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: celebrity to entice these women. Now he's claiming he's turning
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: the whole thing around and saying they're using their celebrity
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: to try and trap him. I also want to mention
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Nancy that it's very telling in each story that they
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: don't come forward, and I wanted to explain that the
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: reason that they don't come forward at the time is shame, embarrassment,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: and shock, and that is not unusual if it's such
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: a devastating attack on their well being, on their personhood,
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: that they just don't feel good enough to be able
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: to report it, especially a famous man like this, you know,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: Sheryl McCall him another tactic that he's using to try
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: to stay out of jail. He is now challenging the
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: sex predator law. He of course, has been recommended by
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: the state in sentencing to be treated as a sex
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: offender a UM, and it's under statute when you are
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: treated as a quote classified sex offender, that means your
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: sentence is going to be different. You've got to receive
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: sex offender counseling. You'll be classified differently when you're sentenced.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: He is now claiming that the sex predator classification is unconstitutional.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: He's a he's a lord Nathy. He doesn't want to
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: have to when he does get out, you know, report
• 27:11
  Speaker 1: where he lives, and he doesn't want to be restrictive
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that he can't live near a park and all that
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: sort of stuff. He's full of craft, period. And what
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: he's doing with these women to me is he's using
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: the court system to intimidate a witness. That's what he's
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: doing and simple. He is claiming Ashley Wilcott that the
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: state's revise sex Offended Registry law is unconstitutional and should
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: not apply to him. He's different, he's special. Well, yeah,
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: that's the problem. Right. So there have been other challenges
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: to state sex predator reports where you have to be
• 27:44
  Speaker 1: reported as one, but that's not this case. This case,
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: he's doing everything he can. He's bullying. He's bullying to
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: say I'm right, everybody else is wrong, and I'm gonna
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: spend as much money as i have to to try
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: to allege every single thing I hand to get out
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: of this. Take a listen again to supermodel Janice Dickinson.
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: I can't breathe because of Bill Cosby. What do you
• 28:09
  Speaker 1: mean I can't breathe? Because I haven't slept in weeks,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I just you know, you know,
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: with everything that's going on, I haven't been able to breathe.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: Like the whole nation is doing right now protesting, I
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: am protesting because of the unresolved issues due to rape
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: from Bill Cosby. I'm just starting to exhale. And and
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: I will say this, You know I I saw all weekend,
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: not just for me, for what's going on with these
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: other women. That's Janice Dickinson, who spoke to me and
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: described Cosby's attack on her how it still affects her
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: life to this day. Once again, she's under attacked my
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: car Osby claiming that he did not defame her. Now
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: he's challenging the course decision to classify him as a
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: sexually violent predator. What sixty women victims allegedly not enough.
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: We'll see where it goes. But you know, when you
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: don't know a horse, look at his track record. We
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: don't know where the case is going to. Look where
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: it's gone. He's still walking free. What does that say
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: about our justice system and the judge? You'll let him
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: remain on bond. Take a listen to this. And I
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: went up to his hotel and I was alone, and
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: he talked about, let me see what type of acting
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: skills you have. I want you to improv. And as
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: I tried to do improv, he fixed a drink and
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: then he brought it to me. It was a brown
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: liquid and it looked like a shot. I told him
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I didn't drink. He said that this was going to
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: relax me so that the lines would flow out a
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: lot easier. So I did drink it. He made a
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: second drink and add me drink the second drink as well.
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I noticed myself getting a little dizzy. Bill had sat
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: down on the edge of the couch. He said, come
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: over here and have a seat. He had his legs open,
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: and when I sat down, I was sitting down in
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: between his legs with my back to his crotch. He
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: started to stroke my hair back in a petting motion
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: like this. The last things I remember is just feeling
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: the strokes on my head. After that, I don't remember
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: anything else. People think Carla, oh, this Andrew Constance, she's
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: out for money, or this one she was like, um,
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: what was she a model or an actress? Like that's
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: like a witch. In the time of the sale, and
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: witch hunts. But when they put people put a face
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: to a name of somebody they kind of know, it
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: changes everything. M hm. I just want to kick it
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: off like this. When did you me Bill Cosby? Well,
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: I was It was nineteen sixties seven, I was eighteen
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: years old. Don't do the math, but it was. Um.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: I was on a date with someone who asked me
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: to dinner, who seems like a very nice man in
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: the show business. It was in the music business, actually,
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: and he asked me to dinner. I went, and he said,
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: we went to dinner, We had a lovely evening, and
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: then he said, would you like to go with me
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: to my best friend's house, which is is Bill Cosby?
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: And I didn't have anything to do my I'd broken
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: up with my boyfriend. I didn't have to worry about
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: where I was going or whatever. And I said, well, okay, yeah,
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: all right. I didn't know. I knew Bill Cosby had
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: a show. I never watched the show. I knew nothing
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: really about him at all. And I certainly didn't go
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: there because he was a celebrity. I went because I
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: was having a nice time with my date. So he
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: took me over to his house in Beverly Hill and
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: he Bill was so nice. He answered the door. Him
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: and his wife stood right by the door, Camille, I'll
• 32:09
  Speaker 1: never forget her name. And we we were standing by
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: the door just talking. We were introduced, and he said,
• 32:15
  Speaker 1: let's go to a movie. What do you think So
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: I said, okay, it sounded like fun to me. I
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: was eighteen years old. I just wanted to have fun.
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: So I went to the movies with them. There was
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: my was my date, Bill, Camille and I and we
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: had cracker Jack's and we laughed and he played and
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: he was He acted like he was playing with a
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: child with me as I did not sit. I sat
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: down and he sat next to me on the far left.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: My date was next to me and his wife was
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: way on the other end. But we had a really
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: fun time and then we he decided, you know, my
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: the movie was over. We were in Westwood. Movie was over,
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: and he said, my date said to me, would you
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: like to go back to Bills and play pool. I
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: was the pool bunny at the Playboy Club at eighteen.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Can you believe this? So? Um yeah, yeah, So I said, oh, okay,
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: I thought, okay, we'll do that. I mean, they all
• 33:23
  Speaker 1: seemed so nice. Why wouldn't I want to to do this?
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: So I said, okay, I will. So we went to
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: his house and the first thing he did was he
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: walked in. He took me into the pool. We all
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: went to the pool room and I said. He said
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: to me, would you like a cocktail? And I said no,
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: I don't drink and he said, okay, um, well would
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: you like some water? And I said no, I'm just fine.
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: And so that's how I met him. Yeah, do you
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: want to hear some more about what happened that night? Well,
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: I just I played. They what he did. Bill had
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: this idea that it would be fun. He played with
• 34:00
  Speaker 1: my with my date, and then whoever won could play
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: with me and we're getting on around. The game was
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: it was just a game of pool. Yeah, we were
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: playing pool, and so he he played first with my
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: date and then guess who won? Bill? And he said, okay,
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: well now I play with Carla. Now it's getting on
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: to be around midnight. It's getting late. And I picked
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: up the pools Q and I'm I'm playing and I
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: suddenly I looked up and I said, where where did
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: your wife go? And he goes, oh, I she probably
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: went to bed. I said, oh, okay, and then I
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: then I play. I shot another thing, and I'm doing
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: good at this game. And then I looked up and
• 34:49
  Speaker 1: I go, well, where's my date? And he goes, oh,
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: I don't know. He probably went to the bathroom or something.
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: And so he played the game. We did it. He
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: beat me, and I took my my my my pool
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: queue and with my back was to him, and I
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: turned around and I put it on the table and
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: when I turned back around, he lunched me. He just
• 35:13
  Speaker 1: lunched right, I mean, just on me. He jumped me,
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: and I was in shock, and I I pushed him,
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: like with all the strength I had. I tried, and
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: then he grabbed me and he kissed me right in
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: the mouth, and I just I kicked. I pushed away
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: from him and I got away from it, and I
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: was like, oh, and I mean it was it was
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: so awful. And then I looked up and those eyes
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: that he looked, he looked like the devil. He didn't
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: look like the fun, happy guy anymore. He looked like
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: the devil. And I said, I for a second, I
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: go I just I sat there for a second and
• 35:53
  Speaker 1: I looked at him, and I was I was a
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: tough girl. I grew up, but in those days, I
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: was at half street girl. I knew how to take
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: care of myself, and men were always trying to molest
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: me my whole life, ever since I was like five
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: years old. Said I always got away. So I I
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: took I started running down the hallway. He lived in
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: a very large house on the flats of Beverly Hills.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: And I went running down the hallway and just as
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: I'm running down the hallway, who comes out of a
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: door my date. So I looked at my date and
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm leaving. I want you to take me
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: home now, right now. And he did and I I
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: never even talked to him about it. I just went
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: completely silent, got in the car, he took me and
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: dropped me off and that was that. So that was
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: my experience. And I got away. And out of the
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: supposedly sixty five women that have come forward or or
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: I don't know how many, I think it was that,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: but they they I just I just got away. There
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: was no way. And the reason I got away was
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: because I didn't I didn't drink anything. It was one
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: of the main main reasons that I made it through this.
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: You know what you say that the reason you got
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: away is because you didn't drink anything? What do you
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: mean by that, Carla? What what I meant by that
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: was is that I didn't drink alcohol. My I came
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: from my family of alcoholics, and I didn't live like that.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't drink, I wouldn't do drugs. I was totally clean.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: I didn't have sex with men. I was a young
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: girl and but tough, and I could take care of myself.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: And he didn't give me anything that would have done
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: what I've heard happened without these other women. I mean
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: I was. I was on date line with twenty seven
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: women for eight hours and all of us crying our
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: hearts out. Just their stories were so tragic and ruined
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: so many lives. And I was the one who got away.
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: I do. I don't think anybody else got away, even
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: even Beverly Johnson. She had to fight him off because
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: he had given her drugs. You know what's interesting that
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: Camille was there, and you know what, God bless her,
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: you know, she she I don't know what to think
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: about that, what she must I don't feel like that
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: about her at all. I don't know what I don't
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I don't know what to think. But this is what
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: I'm hearing from you. She's down there and just disappears
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: when you have guests over, even if you're saying, look, guys,
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: you're staying up to light for me, I'm gonna go
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: to bed and night, thank you for coming, she just
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: disappeared like your date. That's right. And you know what
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: was really really tragic was that when I I was
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: when I was on date Line, I that woman that
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: was the host. I don't even remember who she was,
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: but I've never seen her before and I haven't seen
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: her since. But anyway, she would not let me talk.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Out of all the women I got to set in
• 38:54
  Speaker 1: the front row, but I wasn't allowed to talk. She
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: would not listen to anything I said. So by the
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: end of the show, after eight hours, we were all
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: exhausted and I said to her, I said, I'm going
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: to talk, and she said, oh no. She said, what
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: do you think about as she asked the whole group,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: what do you think about his life? And I raised
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: my hand and I said, I'm going to talk now.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm going to ask a question. That's all
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: I want to do is ask one question. The question
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: is to this, to to everybody, how many of you
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: would let your husband stay with it at midnight with
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: a young pretty girl. And every one of them said,
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: none of us. I mean, they were all like, no,
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: we wouldn't know. It caused the whole big stir, But
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: it was right. You're right. I hadn't thought of it
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: that way. I've just been thinking about her in the
• 39:46
  Speaker 1: context of, Wow, she's been married to this guy that
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: has had so many affairs, slept with so many people,
• 39:54
  Speaker 1: and now we learned forced himself on so many people,
• 39:58
  Speaker 1: and it must be horrible in humiliating. But when I
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: hear you say it like that, it puts it in
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: a whole another light. Nancy listened to this one. Here's
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: what I was thinking of. I was thinking. I was
• 40:11
  Speaker 1: trying to think back on the women and what one
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: in particular that I liked so much, and she and
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: I spent some time together. She was a young, beautiful model,
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: and she was up. You know, you may have known
• 40:22
  Speaker 1: who she was or who I didn't, but when I
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: met her, it was it was a lovely time because
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: she I was trying to think of what it would
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: have been like to be her. He called her on
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: a Christmas at at Christmas and said, can you fly
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: here to Connecticut to be with my family for Christmas
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: and me? And she gets there and she's at the
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: dinner table with all of his children and his wife,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: and and then she would go out to the guest
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: room where she was staying into the had a different
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: little place in the back. And apparently he was coming
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: back there like two nights in a road to have
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: sex with her and raping her. Now can you imagine
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: she's invited as a guest, I mean after the first time,
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: I don't know why she could talking about your talking
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: about Certa Butterfield, she was a playmate, a model, And
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: she recounting how Cosby invited her to his country guest
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: country house and she's in the guesthouse yards from his wife,
• 41:33
  Speaker 1: and she kept saying, your family is here, don't do this,
• 41:37
  Speaker 1: your family is here. Yep. And what was his wife doing?
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: What was she thinking? She's not he's not in bed
• 41:46
  Speaker 1: with her, she's not where is he at? They two
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: could have been twelve one to whatever, but he wasn't there.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: So was it she thinking of anything like this? Like?
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: And what was that girl doing to at the right.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: What was she doing? I mean, really think about it.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: What was she doing there except that Bill brought her
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: there to to abuse her? And what did the family
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: think she was doing there? I mean, what did his
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: wife think? She she knew, That's why, because she knew
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: what he was doing, and it was all she just
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: went along with it. I don't know. If it was
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: the lifestyle, I don't know, if it was her her um.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was the way she grew up. Maybe she
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: was molested and didn't think much of it. I don't know,
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: but something there was. They All I know is that
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: they knew. She knew everything that was going on. Listen,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: I've been married thirty eight years. I know what my
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: husband does all the time, and I make sure I know. Carla,
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: what took you so long to tell your husband what happened? Well,
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: you know what, I never told my husband. A lot
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: of things I didn't tell my husband, or my mother,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: or my sister's or anybody else. When the people since
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I was five tried to molest me. I was on
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: a train. A man, he was one of the conductors
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: or whatever he was on that train. I mean, he
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: tried to put his hands in my panties when I
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: was asleep on the train, and I knew. I knew
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: my mother. Oh, at five years old, I knew my mother.
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: My mother would have killed him. And I never told
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: her ever in her life did I tell her that story.
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: I knew that if I told him her like I
• 43:39
  Speaker 1: kept turning over and moving and making sure that he
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: didn't get close to me, and he finally went away.
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: But I knew that if I told my mother, she
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: would kill him. She was a violent woman. She was
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: tough and hard as nails, and I knew she would
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: kill him. What took you so long to tell this? O?
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: This very common some sometimes, but that sex attack victims
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: never tell it. Well, I didn't want it. I did that.
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: I didn't, you know what was me? It was so
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: many people this happened with that I had no desire
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: to talk about it. I didn't There was nothing I
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: wanted to say, so I just I let it go.
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: You know, the truth is, I never even thought about
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: it all through those years, except when I met Lou
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: and we went to some events and I saw him
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: come in and at one of the celebrity event and
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: I just said, I want to stay on the other
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: side of the room. That's the only thing I said,
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: and that was probably an eight. And I never told
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: anybody yet. I didn't tell that story until nineteen. It
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: was nineteen, it was it's two thousand and five was
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: when I finally told. And that was because I saw
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: that Bill Cosby had done this with the girl. And
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: it's this one. I think it is too, the one
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: that that, yeah, it is, it's her that when it
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: came out, and then she got she got she she
• 45:11
  Speaker 1: got money from him. He gave her money for it,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: and that's when he said that. Oh. I remember, with
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: all the stuff that went on, I didn't tell anything
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: to anybody until I told lou and that And I
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: said to him, I told him, and he looked at
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: me and he just went uh huh, and he walked away.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: He cannot stand to hear anything bad about me. I
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: gotta tell you something I'm gonna I can't quite verbalize it,
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: but crime victims, violent crime victims, sex crime victims, MHM
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: can go their whole life and never tell anybody what happened.
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: You don't want to think about it. It's it's so
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: upsetting you don't want to rethink the details. You want
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: to forget it, you want to pretend it never happened.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: It's painful, it's upsetting, and when you think about it
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: and have to talk about it, it's like it's happened
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: all over again. And it can mess your head up
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: for who knows how long and throw you into a
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: depression that you can't get out of. And I know
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: what I'm talking about on this, Oh I know, I
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: know you do. And I really can't describe it. And
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: people like grars um uh, defense lawyers, other people that
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: are not in the business or have not been a
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: victim or a sex mosstation victim. It does I get it.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: It doesn't make sense. It doesn't make sense that you
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: don't talk about it or tell anybody about it. But
• 46:51
  Speaker 1: it's embarrassing. It's such a personal thing. It's just I
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: just don't want to talk about it. No, I never
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: I never wanted to. There was nothing to talk about.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: And then as the years went by, and all this
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: stuff happened to me over and over with different men
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: and places I worked and things like that. But but
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: the what what got it for me was when I
• 47:13
  Speaker 1: heard about this woman, I I thought, oh my god,
• 47:17
  Speaker 1: I've got to tell somebody, and I told Lou and
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I never told another person, not until what three years
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: ago now, when those two women came out and were
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: crying on John and Kin's show. They were crying their
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: hearts out, and I've that that that's what did it
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: for me. I said, that's it. I am going to
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: call somebody. I have to talk about this. Lou was
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: out of town. I'm like, I've got to talk because
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: I've got to help these women because I knew right
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: that second that what I was hearing from them, nobody
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: would ever believe it. You never. You know what's upsetting
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: with me is Karla frig No. No No, who was I
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: think well of the early on victims of Bill Cosby.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: You know what that is so disheartening about this, This
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: with Andrew Constant, maybe the only criminal prosecution that will
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: ever be because which time has passed and if it
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: doesn't happen now, it will never happen, and he will
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: go free. It's just that simple. It's heartbreaking. You know
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: what I'm praying for tonight. I am praying for a
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: true verdict, a verdict that speaks the truth, whether they
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: give him jail time, whether God forbid they give him probation,
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: whether his wife ever knows the truth or admits the truth.
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: I want a verdict that speaks the truth to give
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: peace to all the women that I believe we're victims
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: of Bill Cosby. That's what I'm praying for. Carla Ferrigno,
• 49:00
  Speaker 1: thank you. We are watching as this unfolds. Nancy Grace
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: Crime Stories, signing off good bye friend ye