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HEARTBREAK IN DESPERATE SEARCH FOR 2-YEAR-OLD TOT BOY AFTER MOM & DAD GO ON THE RUN · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. We start with breaking news tonight. Medford,
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  Speaker 1: Oregon police and the FBI are trying to figure out
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  Speaker 1: what's happened to a missing two year old boy after
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  Speaker 1: his parents were involved in an apparent murder suicide in
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  Speaker 1: the Flighthead a couple of nights ago. Medford investigators said
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Salcido and Hannah Janniak were reported Missigan, Oregon in
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  Speaker 1: mid June. The couple has a child together, two year
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  Speaker 1: old Aidan Salcito. Police say they have a record of
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  Speaker 1: the family buying camping equipped a Walmart Medford back on
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  Speaker 1: June third and fourth. Janniak was scheduled to report to
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  Speaker 1: jail on a burglary conviction just a few days after that.
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  Speaker 1: But the next trace of the couple comes two nights
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  Speaker 1: ago in the Flighthead, when the pair took off after
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  Speaker 1: a traffling stop by Kalispell police. Following a brief chase.
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  Speaker 1: Police spiked their SUV's tires and the pair pulled off
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  Speaker 1: the road, but when deputies approached, they found Jane dead
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  Speaker 1: of a gunshot and Salcito dead of an apparent self
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  Speaker 1: inflicted gunshot. Now, the V was apparently purchased in late
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  Speaker 1: June or early July in Central Point, Oregon, but there's
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  Speaker 1: no trace of the boy, and investigators say tonight they're
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  Speaker 1: greatly concerned. Anyone with information should call the authorities. In
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  Speaker 1: the last hours the breaking news in the case of
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  Speaker 1: a missing little two year old boy, Aiden Salcito. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: see Grace, this is crime Stories. Thank you for being
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  Speaker 1: with us. The FBI launching a desperate search for the
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  Speaker 1: little boy just two years old. What do we know?
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  Speaker 1: Take a listen. First, you were hearing from our friends
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  Speaker 1: at KPAX. Here's Fox Q thirteen. The Medford Police Department
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  Speaker 1: in Oregon. They're still searching for a missing toddler. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Authorities say the two year old's parents were involved in
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  Speaker 1: a murdered suicide in Montana. Unfortunately, Daniel Salcido and Hannah
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  Speaker 1: Jandak Jenniak were reported missing last month. Officials say this
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  Speaker 1: could stem from criminal convictions for a burglary. Jenniak did
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  Speaker 1: not appear for her sentence seen on June eleventh, and
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  Speaker 1: no one had heard from the couple until a police
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  Speaker 1: officer in Kalispville, Montana, tried to pull them over and
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  Speaker 1: they drove away. Officials say when the pursuit ended. Officers
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  Speaker 1: found the couple dead from gunshots inside the car. Two
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  Speaker 1: year old Aiden. Officials in Montana say he was not
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  Speaker 1: in the car, fortunately, where they found his parents dead.
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  Speaker 1: Authorities are concerned for his safety and of course, his
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  Speaker 1: well being and asking help from the public. They say
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  Speaker 1: used the hashtag find Aiden on social media to share
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  Speaker 1: any information that you may have. Guys, I'm taking a
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  Speaker 1: look at this little boy, two year old Aiden Salcito.
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  Speaker 1: He's standing with a little backpack in front of a
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  Speaker 1: little play table exactly like one my children had that
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  Speaker 1: they played on constantly, and he reminds me so much
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  Speaker 1: of my twins at age two. Now, the parents dead,
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  Speaker 1: apparently of a murder suicide, But what about Aiden. It's
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  Speaker 1: really hard for me to take in that samone would
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  Speaker 1: be so selfish that they would rob a child of
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  Speaker 1: both parents. We're going to start at the beginning, joining
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  Speaker 1: me an all star panel. Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina family
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  Speaker 1: lawyer who has seen scenarios like this many many times.
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  Speaker 1: We'renowned medical examiner doctor Michelle dupri out of South Carolina,
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  Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide, well known psycho analyst
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  Speaker 1: out of Hollywood, doctor Bethany Marshall and Professor Forensics at
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University, author of Blood Beneath My Feet on Amazon,
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan. But right now to a special guest
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  Speaker 1: joining us from kCi NBC Montana, Marion Davidson. I'm going
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  Speaker 1: to start at the very beginning, Marian Davison, thank you
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  Speaker 1: for being with us. When did we first realize two
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  Speaker 1: year old Aiden was missing? You know, it didn't come
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  Speaker 1: out right away. All of this happened pretty quickly, but
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  Speaker 1: we didn't know right away when the police first bed
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  Speaker 1: contact with the couple and found them dead in the car.
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  Speaker 1: We didn't find out until a couple of days later
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  Speaker 1: that Eaden whatnot with them. Well, actually, Marian Davidson's joining
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  Speaker 1: me from KECI, that makes perfect sense. When cops pull
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  Speaker 1: over they find two dead bodies. How are they supposed
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  Speaker 1: to know that somewhere out there, like a needle in
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  Speaker 1: a haystack, there's a two year old little child. I mean, really,
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  Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, forensics expert, you and I have been
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  Speaker 1: to a million crime scenes. Why would they think that
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  Speaker 1: somewhere out there there's a little boy missing? You wouldn't
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  Speaker 1: have any indication of that, Nancy, until you began to
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  Speaker 1: work the scene. And where the stems from is that
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  Speaker 1: once you have these individuals that are deceased, you're working
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  Speaker 1: this murder suicide scene, You're going to dig in and
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  Speaker 1: you're going to maybe find pictures of a child. You're
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  Speaker 1: going to contact their family, and the family are going
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  Speaker 1: to say, hey, where's the baby, where's the baby, And
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  Speaker 1: suddenly you come to the realization you've got a missing
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  Speaker 1: child on your hands. Kathleen Murphy with me North Carolina
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  Speaker 1: family lawyer. You've seen this so many times, a murder
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  Speaker 1: suicide and a domestic homicide situation. Look, I get it.
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  Speaker 1: I've dealt with many, many people suffering for depression, especially
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  Speaker 1: when I was working at the Battered Women's Center, and
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  Speaker 1: the desire to kill yourself can be overwhelming. It's almost
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  Speaker 1: like an addiction for some people. It's just like this
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  Speaker 1: force they can't stop. But when you have a child,
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  Speaker 1: to be so callous as to kill your partner and
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  Speaker 1: kill yourself and just leave the child, I mean, I
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  Speaker 1: don't get that, Kathleen. You would think that in twenty nineteen,
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  Speaker 1: with all the resources that are available for victims of
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  Speaker 1: domestic violence, that we would see a decrease in this
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  Speaker 1: type of murder suicide and children put in danger. But
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  Speaker 1: as I'm gooing, and all I can say is, if
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  Speaker 1: any of your listeners are victims of domestic files, there
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  Speaker 1: is help and your family should surround the child and
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  Speaker 1: protect your children. Guys, we are bringing you the very
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  Speaker 1: latest in the search for a two year old little boy,
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  Speaker 1: Aiden Sells set this little boy. At first, they didn't
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  Speaker 1: even realize there was a child connected to these two
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  Speaker 1: dead bodies. To doctor Michelle Dupre, renown Medical Examina out
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  Speaker 1: of South Carolina, author of Homocide Investigation Field Guide, Doctor Dupre,
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  Speaker 1: how do they know when they look at a body,
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  Speaker 1: how can you tell, oh, this is a murder suicide?
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  Speaker 1: How do you know somebody to incarjack them or attack them?
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  Speaker 1: And I mean, how do you tell at some murder suicide, Matthew.
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  Speaker 1: We look to the injury itself, and we determine how
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  Speaker 1: far the gun was, if that's what it was, what
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  Speaker 1: was used, how far that was from the actual target
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  Speaker 1: or from that person, and then we determined if it
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  Speaker 1: was possible for that person to do that to themselves
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  Speaker 1: or not. So we look at the body and the
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  Speaker 1: injury itself. I still don't understand. How do you look
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  Speaker 1: at an injury, a gunshot wound and tell this is
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  Speaker 1: a suicide and this is a murderer. How do you
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  Speaker 1: know that? Well, again, we look at the totality of circumstances,
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  Speaker 1: but we look at the gunshot wound. If they're a
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  Speaker 1: stipling or tattooing, which is small powder burns on the skin,
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  Speaker 1: then we know that it was an immediate intermediate gunshot wound.
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  Speaker 1: If it's a muscle imprint, then we know there was
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  Speaker 1: skin contact. If it wasn't, then we know that it
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  Speaker 1: was within that, and we know that the person. Hold on,
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  Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, doctor Dupree, Please, I feel like Jackie.
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  Speaker 1: Who is that guy that speaks the other language on
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  Speaker 1: the new set of Star Trek movies? He is kind
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  Speaker 1: of green is she's a kind of a you're like speaking,
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  Speaker 1: You're not even speaking anything I've heard on this earth.
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  Speaker 1: Not sway heale not. I don't even know what you're saying. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: try to talk regular people talk to me. I know
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  Speaker 1: you're way way, like far far warp speed ahead of me,
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  Speaker 1: But what did you just say? Like, how how can
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  Speaker 1: you look let's just say this. How can you look
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  Speaker 1: at a gunshot wound to a human body and say
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  Speaker 1: that's a suicide. Remember, talk slowly, you're talking to me.
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  Speaker 1: We look at the injury itself, and so we look
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  Speaker 1: at a couple of things. First, we look to see
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  Speaker 1: if there is a muzzle imprint or an imprint of
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  Speaker 1: that gun on the skin. If it is, then we
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  Speaker 1: know that the gun was in contact with the skin.
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  Speaker 1: Now that doesn't mean that someone else couldn't have done it,
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  Speaker 1: but we do know that person then could have done
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  Speaker 1: that to themselves. A little bit of farther distance from
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  Speaker 1: the person is going to leave a lot of people
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  Speaker 1: call it powder burns, but the technical term is actually
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  Speaker 1: tattooing or stippling, and that's little etches in the skin
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  Speaker 1: that come from the gunpowder and other things that come
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  Speaker 1: out of the muzzle of a gun. If we see that,
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  Speaker 1: then we know that it is an intermediate gunshot wound.
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  Speaker 1: So the person could have done that to themselves, and again,
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  Speaker 1: someone else could have done it as well. It's neither Okay,
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  Speaker 1: let me dumb it down. Let me dumb me it
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  Speaker 1: down just for a moment, Jackie, tell me if this
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  Speaker 1: makes sense to you, because she's just way smarter than
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  Speaker 1: we are. You're ready. If you shoot yourself point blank,
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  Speaker 1: like the barrel touching your head, you'll see powder burns
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  Speaker 1: or tattooing or stippling where the heat and the gunshot
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  Speaker 1: residue actually gets on your skin from the gun. That's hey,
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  Speaker 1: you know it's a point blank range gunshot Loan, If
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  Speaker 1: it's thirty six inches or less, you'll have gunshot residue
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  Speaker 1: on your body. If I shoot you in the car,
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  Speaker 1: I'll probably have that on my body. Also, if the
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  Speaker 1: person is shot in the mouth or the temple in
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  Speaker 1: a trajectory path, which where the bullet is going, shows
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  Speaker 1: that they could have shot themselves, not like straight down
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  Speaker 1: from the top of their head or in the back
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  Speaker 1: of their head where they couldn't have done that. Plus
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  Speaker 1: you look around the inside car. You know what I'm
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  Speaker 1: getting weighing the weeds on this. What matters is two
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  Speaker 1: year old Aiden Salcido. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. You
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  Speaker 1: start with breaking news tonight. Medford, Oregon police and the
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  Speaker 1: FBI are trying to figure out what's happened to a
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  Speaker 1: missing two year old boy after his parents were involved
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  Speaker 1: in an apparent murder suicide in the Flighthead a couple
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  Speaker 1: of nights ago. Medford investigators say Daniel Salcito and Hannah
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  Speaker 1: Janniak were reported Missigan, Oregon in mid June. The couple
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  Speaker 1: has a child together, two year old Aiden Salcito. Police
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  Speaker 1: say they have a record of the family buying camping
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  Speaker 1: equipment of Walmart and Medford back on June third and fourth.
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  Speaker 1: Janniak was scheduled to report to jail on a burglary
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  Speaker 1: conviction just a few days after that. But the next
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  Speaker 1: trace of the couple comes two nights ago in the Flighthead,
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  Speaker 1: when the pair took off after the traffic stop by
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  Speaker 1: Callispell police. Falling a brief chase, Police spiked their SUV's
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  Speaker 1: tires and the pair pulled off the road, but when
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  Speaker 1: deputies approached, they found Jenny dead of a gunshot and
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  Speaker 1: sell Cito dead of an apparent self inflicted gunshot. Now,
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  Speaker 1: the suv was apparently purchased in late June or early
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  Speaker 1: July in Central Point, Oregon, but there's no trace of
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  Speaker 1: the boy An Investigators say tonight they're greatly concerned. Anyone
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  Speaker 1: with information should call the AFT. We are bringing you
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  Speaker 1: the very ladies and the disappearance of a two year
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  Speaker 1: old little boy, Aiden sells Cito. Doctor Bethany Marshall, we
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  Speaker 1: clearly have a homicide suicide in a vehicle. At first,
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  Speaker 1: comps don't even realize that there is a child connected
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  Speaker 1: to these two dead bodies. And I've got to ask you,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bethany, you're the psychoanalyst. You're the Beverly Heels Queen
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  Speaker 1: of psychoanalysis. Helped me out. I understand. I can't say
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  Speaker 1: I understand it, but I'm familiar with that overwhelming desire
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  Speaker 1: to commit suicide. I've seen I don't know, you know
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  Speaker 1: how many domestic commicides, typically where the man shoots the
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  Speaker 1: woman out of anger, out of rage, out of resentment.
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  Speaker 1: But when you have a child to take away both
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  Speaker 1: the parents of the child, to me, that's a whole,
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  Speaker 1: a whole other mindset. Help me out, Well, you're right,
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  Speaker 1: it's a whole nother mindset and a whole nother psychology.
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  Speaker 1: So most people who want to kill themselves are preoccupied
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  Speaker 1: with their own misery. They are thinking that it would
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  Speaker 1: be much better to not be on this earth. They
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  Speaker 1: usually have a co occurring psychiatric or substance abuse, disorder.
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  Speaker 1: Ninety percent of people who successfully terminate their life have
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  Speaker 1: some kind of substance abuse difficulty. That is not what
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  Speaker 1: we're seeing here. Murder suicide. In the context of a marriage,
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  Speaker 1: the psychology is that you have a personality disordered disturbed partner,
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  Speaker 1: usually the man one, and a non personality disordered spouse,
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  Speaker 1: usually the woman. And the woman is over some way
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  Speaker 1: making the husband feel inferior and insulted at some pathological
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  Speaker 1: extreme level, so he gets the spot in his head.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm going to be better off
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  Speaker 1: if you're gone, or if I am gone, I want
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  Speaker 1: to kill you. No, I want to kill myself. And
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  Speaker 1: the murder to kill the other person or oneself. In
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  Speaker 1: other words, the homicidal and the suicidal instincts, which lie
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  Speaker 1: side by side, oscillate. Now, if you think of the
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  Speaker 1: matrix of the domestic abuse, usually abusers want to kill
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  Speaker 1: the child to get back at the spouse. Right, we
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  Speaker 1: know children are used as spawn as pawns. To Kathleen Murphy,
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  Speaker 1: North Carolina family lawyer, these two wait a minute, Kathleen too.
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  Speaker 1: Marion Davis k ec I, NBC Montana, who's been on
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  Speaker 1: the store from the very beginning. Let me understand something.
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  Speaker 1: Weren't both of these parents fleeing police at the time
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  Speaker 1: they were found? Tell me about that, because many people
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  Speaker 1: thought they just happened to be found in a vehicle
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  Speaker 1: martyr suicide, but they were actually all the run. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that's right. When they were pulled over in kalis Fell.
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  Speaker 1: It actually started as just a pretty routine traffic stop
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  Speaker 1: for an out headlight. But then when the officer got
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  Speaker 1: to the car, he he called for backup. Well, he'd
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  Speaker 1: asked for identification, they gave him false names, and then
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  Speaker 1: he called for backup, and as soon as he called
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  Speaker 1: for backup, that's when they took off. And then it
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  Speaker 1: was right after that chase when police then approached took
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  Speaker 1: car after it was pulled over, That's when they found
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  Speaker 1: them dead in the car, you know. Josephs got Morgen
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  Speaker 1: forensics expert author Blood Beneath My Fate on Amazon. How
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  Speaker 1: many times are perps caught because of believe it or not,
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  Speaker 1: a traffic in fraction? A big one was Timothy McVeigh.
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  Speaker 1: He was actually pulled over the Oklahoma City bomber that
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  Speaker 1: brought down the Murrah Building, the Federal building like the
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  Speaker 1: one I worked in in downtown Atlanta when I was
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  Speaker 1: a law clerk to a judge, brought down the building,
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  Speaker 1: including the daycare in the bottom. He had I think
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  Speaker 1: it was like this broken out tail light, and they
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  Speaker 1: pulled him over and they found all type of bomb
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  Speaker 1: explosive material in his car. And it happens a lot.
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  Speaker 1: People don't believe it. In it reminds me of something
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott Morgan, I've told you this story before. I
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  Speaker 1: know I have. When I was a brand new prosecutor,
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  Speaker 1: I got a file. I opened it up and the
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  Speaker 1: police officer had written a really short police report and
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  Speaker 1: it said I was at SO and so. It was
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  Speaker 1: in a housing project at the corner of X and Y,
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  Speaker 1: and the perp, Jackie Howard. Let's just pretend Jackie held
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  Speaker 1: up a small glassing bag at me standing on the corner,
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  Speaker 1: trying to solicit me undercoverage to buy a five rock,
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  Speaker 1: a five dollar head of crap, and I arrested him.
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  Speaker 1: I could looked to the officer who would come to
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  Speaker 1: court that day. I went, get the hell out of
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  Speaker 1: my courtroom. How dare you try to frame somebody and
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  Speaker 1: then give it to me to prosecute what idiot in
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  Speaker 1: their right mind would believe a doper would wave cocaine
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  Speaker 1: at you from the corner. I mean, I'm so embarrassed.
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  Speaker 1: I don't know his name, I don't remember anything about him.
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  Speaker 1: How disgusted he must have been at me at that moment.
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  Speaker 1: Miss hotshot out of law school and probably been working
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  Speaker 1: all night and got up early to come to court.
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  Speaker 1: He left all right. Fast forward like six months. I'm
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  Speaker 1: out on the street work in a case, trying to
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  Speaker 1: find witnesses. I'm in that neighborhood. I'm at a red light.
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  Speaker 1: Guess what I look over here. I am a little
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  Speaker 1: white Honda. I look over. My guy holds up a
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  Speaker 1: glassing bag and waves it at me. I'm like, oh crap, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So I know sometimes the truth is stranger than fiction,
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  Speaker 1: Joe Scott. But it does happen. People get pulled over
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  Speaker 1: for a tail light and they turn out to be
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  Speaker 1: serious perpetrators. Yeah, Tom and Tom again, Nancy. And you
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  Speaker 1: know that's the thing, that's one of the also one
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  Speaker 1: of the dangers of being a police officer. When you
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  Speaker 1: approached that vehicle just because they have a busted tail light,
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  Speaker 1: you never know what kind of mischief has preceded this.
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  Speaker 1: And sometimes you know, I've had cops friends of mine
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  Speaker 1: that have approached vehicles where they have actually interacted with
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  Speaker 1: individuals that have killed two and three people, and it
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  Speaker 1: was only by the grace of God, in their words,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a providential event that they weren't killed themselves.
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  Speaker 1: And this does happen. The devil is always in the details,
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  Speaker 1: and a lot of this plays into this idea. If
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  Speaker 1: you are a police officer, you have to pay attention
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  Speaker 1: to the little things because sometimes that that's what brings
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  Speaker 1: a case to a conclusion. Well, all our discussion about
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  Speaker 1: tell lights and and pulling people over or in the
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  Speaker 1: murraal building and a glassy bag of cright, what matters
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  Speaker 1: is two year old aid and selcito. Guys. I want
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  Speaker 1: to tell you about something very important to me. I
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  Speaker 1: hope you can join me this Saturday, six o'clock Eastern,
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  Speaker 1: five Central on Oxygen for Injustice with Nancy Grace. I
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  Speaker 1: think about this woman so often, Michelle Mockby. She got
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  Speaker 1: up super early one morning, got her coffee in her car,
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  Speaker 1: checked on her two little girls, and headed off to
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  Speaker 1: work early. She wanted to take a few days off
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  Speaker 1: at the end of the week to spend time with
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  Speaker 1: her children and her husband. So she goes to work
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  Speaker 1: this big, huge, sprawling laboratory and processing center, Thermo Fisher.
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  Speaker 1: She was head of HR. She never saw her children
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  Speaker 1: alive again. She was brutally murdered at work, the purp
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: dragging her body, leaving a trail of blood from her office.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: Who in that sprawling lab had an axe to grind
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: with Mom Michelle might Be? Who sentenced her little girls
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: to life without a mom? We reinvestigate the case, shining
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: lights on what really happened. Please join us Saturday, Oxygen
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: six o'clock Eastern, five Central and the case of the
• 19:54
  Speaker 1: murder of Mom Michelle might Be. We want justice. Crime
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Welcome back, everybody. I Nancy Grace,
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: right now. The search for a two year old little boy,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: his mom and dad have been pulled over and it
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: wasn't as simple as a pullover for a traffic stop.
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: Cops apparently had to throw down spike strips in front
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: of the car. Marian Davidson, KAECI is that true? How
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: did spike strips get into it? That is true? The
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: spikes strips got involved after a police chase. The two
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: are pulled over originally for a very routine traffic stop.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: When the officer called for backup, they tried to flee,
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: and that caused a police chase, and that's where the
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: spike strips were deployed. Okay, wait, let me understand this,
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy. When a cop comes up behind me, all right,
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: And I used to argue this to juries all the time.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: If I see a cop pulling up and I hear
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: who whoo, I pull over. If I see a blue light,
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: I pull over. I do not want a problem with
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: the cops. Now. I may accidentally flash my badge, or
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: I may like, oh, I'm so sorry, all right, may
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: quickly put on my Atlanta Police Department T shirt if
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: I have it handy. Now all that it's absolutely not true.
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I take my ticket and I pay it and don't
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: don't whine about it. But I want to argue this
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: to jury's you suddenly hit the gas. I'm not going
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: to hit the gas and take off ninety mph like
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: these two did, and the cops had to throw down
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: spike strips for Pete's sake. Could you explain what a
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: spike strip is Kathleen Murphy. And I always find it
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: so interesting when I see you, Kathleen, because you look
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: like a you look like a this like sweet soccer mom,
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: and your hair is always perfect. You got such a
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: sweet little voice, and you take off about spike strips
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: and murders. I love it. Go ahead, Kathleen to explain
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: a spike strip. State strip is a device that's hit
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: in a row, not me personally, of course, but when
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: it's dripping over, the tires will blow out and the
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: curl will stop essentially because it can't move any further
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  Speaker 1: without the tires operating. I'll have to laugh at this, Nancy,
• 22:20
  Speaker 1: because I actually has been stopped twice in the last
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: thirty days by police officers wanted to run. Get it
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: run for tickets only for Okay, I'm glad to hear that,
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: or you might be on the Nancy Gray Show. Um,
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: guys were talking about a missing two year old little boy,
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: Aidan Salcito. His parents apparently on the run from cops.
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: And this is what I know about why they're on
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: the run. Um. Joining me is maryon Davis out of Kate,
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: Mary and Davidson out of k ECI NBC. Montana police
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: and the FBI had been desperately seeking two year old
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: aid And after his parents were fleeing a prison sentence
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: in or again and skipped town. That's why they took
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: off running. They were pulled over inadvertently for a tail
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: light being knocked out of their car, and then in
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: the midst of that they take off. Cops had no
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: idea what they were dealing with. They end up having
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: to throw out spike strips to take out their tires,
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: and then they're found dead. At first, cops didn't even
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: know a two year old little boy was connected to
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: this crazy couple in an apparent murder suicide in Montana.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Then they realize there is a little boy. Where is he?
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: Two year old Aidan right now Breaking news again with
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: breaking news. The Medford, Oregon Police Department says Montana authorities
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: may have found the remains of a missing two year old.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: We don't know if officially if it is Aidan Salcito,
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: but the remains were near the area where his parents
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: were seen by witnesses several days earlier. As we reported Saturday,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Hannah Janiak and Daniel Salcito were found dead in an
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: apparent murder suicide on Wednesday. Both were wanted on felony
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: burglary warrants. News five will continue to follow the story.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: We'll bring you any information as soon as we get it.
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: You're hearing from our friends there at Fox five and
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: the discovery of a body of a child. If this
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: is not Aiden, then who is it? Take a loose
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: stown friends at KPAX. Law enforcement believes the toddler is
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: possibly the missing child whose parents died in a murder
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: suicide in the Flathead earlier this week. Aiden Solicito has
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: been missing for nearly four days. Today, a body, which
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: authorities believed to be Aiden's was found your campground where
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: witnesses last saw him. Along with his parents, Hannah Janiak
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: and Daniel Solicito, were found dead in a vehicle on
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: July twenty fourth after a police chase on Highway ninety
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: three in Kalispell. Let's break this all down, Medford, Oregon.
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: Investigators say the family was reported missing an Oregon in
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: mid June. Police say they have a record of the
• 25:06
  Speaker 1: family buying camping equipment at a Walmart in Medford in
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: early June. The next trace of that couple came on
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: Wednesday night in the Flathead when the pair took off
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: after a traffic stop by Kalispell police. It's after police
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: found the parents dead in an apparent murder suicide. When
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: authorities noticed the child was no longer with them. Authorities
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: have been searching for that boy since and today Medford police,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: along with Montana police, believe they have found a two
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: year old dead near a Lincoln County campground. Straight out
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: to Marion Davidson KACI, NBC Montana, how did cops find
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: this body in a camping area and what was the
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: cause of death? Do you know? You know, finding that
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: body was not easy. So after they realized that there
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: was a missing two year old in this case, authorities
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: had a huge geographic distance to to cover. I mean,
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: if you think between Medford, Oregon and Kalisall, Montana, that's
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: a really large slop of land there. But a tip
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: from a concerned citizen actually led them to a very
• 26:15
  Speaker 1: very rural spot in Lincoln County, Montana. A person out
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: recreating saw this this greed suv that they had been driving,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: and they thought twice actually and they had the wherewithal
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: to call the Lincoln County authorities and let them know,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: and that brought police out to this very rural campground.
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: I was actually out there, and it's on a dirt road.
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: I you know, it's on a highway on a dirt road.
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: They drove miles and you know, it's miles down that
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: dirt road and it's very very thickly wooded terrain. So
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: they got out there, they found the remnants of the
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: campsite and they began a ground search, but that area
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: is not easy to search, so they searched for gosh,
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: I think they I was told that they were out
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: there until three am searching and then took They got
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: back out there after a few hours of rest, got
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: back out again with authorities from the Flathead County Sheriff's Office,
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Lincoln County Sheriff's Office, Medford Police, and then around six
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: o'clock they brought in searchdogs and within an hour they
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: were able to locate a toddler's body. For those of
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: you just joining us, we are discussing the disappearance of
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: a two year old, a beautiful two year old little boy,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: Aidan Salcito. Parents Daniel Salcito and Hannah Janniac found victims
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: of murder suicide on the run from a burglary charge
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: in Oregon. You know, on a burglary they probably would
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: have gotten like five years to do and done like
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: maybe eight months max. Behind bars. Instead, when they're over
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: for a tail line and fraction on their car, they
• 28:03
  Speaker 1: take off running, they commit murder suicide, and when cops
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: get to the bodies, they have no idea that somewhere
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: out there is a two year old little boy connected
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: to these two crime stories with Nancy Grace. Lincoln County's
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: Sheriff Darren Short reports the Montana State Crime Lab in
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: Missoula is confirming the toddler was in fact two year
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: old Aidan Salcido. His remains were found over the weekend
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: along West Fisher Creek south of Libby, a couple of
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: days after Medford, Oregon police issued an advisory trying to
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: locate the missing boy. His parents, Hannah Janiak and Daniel Salcido,
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: died in a murder suicide after a routine traffic stop
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: in Kali's Bell turned into a short pursuit. The aarad
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: taken off after being stopped by a Kalispell officer and
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: then pulled onto a side road after their car tires
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: were spiked. Deputies found them dead when they approached the car.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Medford police say the pair had apparently taken off just
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: days before Janiak was to have reported to jail to
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: serve time in a burglary conviction in early June, but
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: little is known of their travels or activities during the
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: weeks they were on the road. You were hearing from
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: our friends at kat v Q. Now the body of
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: a two year old boy has been found. Cots Natchhime
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: determined is it aid and listened to our friends at
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: kPa XTV. An autopsy may help us understand how a
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: two year old toddler died before his parents took their
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: own lives following a police pursuit in the Flathead. Flathead
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: County's Sheriff Brian Hano tells KPAX that Lincoln County Sheriff's
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: office is taking the lead in this case. They believe
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: the body discovered near Fisher River east of Livy is
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: that of two year old Aiden south Sedo, who was
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: reported missing Friday, a couple of days after his parents
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: I didn't murder suicide outside Kalisbell. They were identified as
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: Hannah Janekak and Daniel Salcito last Wednesday night at Kalisbell
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: police officer tried to stop the couple for a broken
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: light on their vehicle, but they gave some false identification
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: and then took off. When they pulled off onto a
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: side row, deputies approached and found them dead of gunshots
• 30:20
  Speaker 1: in their car. Autopsies are also being done for Salcido
• 30:23
  Speaker 1: and Jenny A too. Marion Davidson k ECI, NBC Montana. Marian,
• 30:30
  Speaker 1: how was the little boy Aiden Salcito killed? Autopsy confirm it.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: He was killed by a gunshot wound to the head.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: You know, Doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us, I don't
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: understand it because this little boy, Aidan Salcito was killed
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: well before. The two parents had gone on the run,
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: before they were pulled over, so they killed their little
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: boy first. What I'm guessing, Dancy, is this a typical
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: domestic violence situation. And we know that in domestic violent situations,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: the children are targeted to get back at one of
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: the parents. So let's say if the father is the abuser,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: hates the mother, feels rejected, feels that she is going
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to abandon or betray him instead of lashing out at her,
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: he will lash out at the child. So one scenario
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: is that he, the father, Daniel Selcito, killed Aiden in
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: order to punish his wife. Now, the other scenario is
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: that they acted in concert. In other words, that Daniel
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: may have been one of these paranoid characters who tried
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: to brainwash his wife into thinking that Aiden was a
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: problem and Aiden was bad and it was primarily a
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: child abuse situation that escalated into homicide. We wait, a mine,
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: aren't you forgetting a major fact, and that is they
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: were both involved in a burglary. They were both on
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: the run. That's absolutely true, Nancy. But I don't think
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: that fleeing law enforcement is a reason to kill a
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: child because that parental bond is so strong. Oh, I
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: know that. But what I'm saying is it's not like
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: he was forcing her into a burglary. She was part
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: of that. They were both to report to an Oregon
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: prison for a burglary. It was time to go to
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the pokey. Well. That may speak to the theory that
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: she was brainwashed into acting in concert with him, that
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: maybe he was the primary criminal and the one that
• 32:40
  Speaker 1: mastermind did this. I guess small town burglary and that
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: he convinced her that she should go along with him.
• 32:47
  Speaker 1: But then that means that she could also have been
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: the passive type of individual that allowed herself to be
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: seduced into thinking it was time to get rid of
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: the child. Oh. Doctor Michelle Dupree, renowned medical examiner out
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: of South Carolina, author of homicide Investigation Field Guide dogor Duprie.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: How often do you see a whole family wiped out? Well, unfortunately,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: it's more often than any of us would want to
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: see it. And as the was just said, we find
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: that families that have domestic violence the children are three
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: times more likely to suffer some type of injury from
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: this type of of goings on in the home. She
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: just got Morgan, forensics expert and author of Blood Beneath
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: My Feet. We also know that some of the evidence
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: shows that they had both been out shopping with the
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: little boy, shopping for camping equipment at Walmart. You're absolutely right, Nancy,
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: and you know they've got they've got the family on CCTV.
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: And keep in mind, this is the last time that
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Aiden was known to be a live I think I
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: think my thought here, and it's very sad, is that
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: when they purposed to go out and camp was this
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: was this their intent to go to this isolated area,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: just as the reporter had stated, she stated it was
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: very isolated. They went out there with the single, single
• 34:18
  Speaker 1: purpose to dispose of him, to end his life, and
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: to walk away from him, and for all of these
• 34:25
  Speaker 1: selfish reasons, starting new life on their own without the
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: burden of the child in their lives. But why buy
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: camping equipment to do that? I mean, they're caught, as
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: you sent a closed circuit TV, buying camping equipment and
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: other things, and they clearly used that to go to
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: this camp site, and then they suddenly decide to kill
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: Aiden and go on the run. I think maybe in
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: desperate times like this, they're facing they're facing the potential
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: of going to prison, and maybe on the run he
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: was just too much. He was too much of a
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: burden for them to have to carry around. And that
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: I hate that the sound of that coming out of
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: my mouth, because it just diminishes his little life so much.
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: But they get out there and they finally make this
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: fatal decision to end his life and to go on
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: about it. Maybe they just wanted to be able to
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: go out and be contemplative about it before they decided
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: to end his life. One never knows. Why are you
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: kidding me, Kathleen Murphy? Did you hear what he just said?
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: These two wanted to go out and be contemplative. Okay,
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: I think about it. Contemplate it, you know, kick it
• 35:36
  Speaker 1: around intellectually before they murder their kid. That's b Yes, sorry,
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: Joe Scott. That is a major BS contemplative, my rear end,
• 35:46
  Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, these two were like sharks. They are. But Nancy,
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: where were the people that were supposed to keep this
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: child safe? Knowing these parents were going to jail? How
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: did that child get with them and go on the
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: supposed camping trip knowing that the parents were going to jail.
• 36:08
  Speaker 1: We all have to watch out for our children. This
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: is what I know. This little boy is dead, and
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I wonder if family, if relatives, if neighbors knew it
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: was such a powder keg and did nothing. A two
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: year old little boy gone because of these two parents.
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: May they rot in hell? Nancy Gray's crime story, signing off,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: Goodbye friend