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What's Next For Ohio State After 5-Star OT David Sanders Commits To Tennessee? · Buckeyes TomOrrow Morning

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to Buckeyes Tomorrow morning. From Monday, August nineteenth. I'm
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  Speaker 1: your host, Tom Moore. The Akron game in twelve days,
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  Speaker 1: on to talk about David Sanders, the five star offensive tackle,
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  Speaker 1: committing to Tennessee, what that meant for the Buckeyes twenty
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  Speaker 2: Hello, everyone, Welcome to the Skull Session Recruiting Podcast. I'm
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  Speaker 2: gonna go today here. We're gonna do a live episode here.
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  Speaker 2: I'm gonna do some questions, some comments, whatever you guys
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  Speaker 2: are interested in talking about today. I have a feeling
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  Speaker 2: it's gonna be very o line based. But before we
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  Speaker 2: get started on that component, I would like to go
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  Speaker 2: over some things obviously with if you're on Twitter, there
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  Speaker 2: was a lot of stuff going on yesterday with the
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  Speaker 2: David Sanders commitment to Tennessee, a lot of conversations on Twitter,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of opinions on Twitter, and a lot of
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  Speaker 2: things that maybe aren't summed up best in the character
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  Speaker 2: limits that Twitter gives you. So let's start, because I
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  Speaker 2: think we're gonna have a lot of different opinions on
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  Speaker 2: this today, but let's start on something I think everyone
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  Speaker 2: can agree on, and that is offensive line recruiting right
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  Speaker 2: now is not good enough, and it hasn't been good
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  Speaker 2: enough for a while. It really hasn't been good enough
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  Speaker 2: in probably more than a decade. And I think the
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  Speaker 2: disagreement isn't that I think most people agree with that.
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  Speaker 2: I think the disagreement is why that is what needs
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  Speaker 2: to happen, What the symptoms, what the major you know,
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  Speaker 2: causes of that are. And so it's already started in
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  Speaker 2: the chat. I can see some of the comments about it.
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  Speaker 2: I want to start with this. Thank you for putting
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  Speaker 2: this up here. Fry needs to cast a wider net.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's fine. I think that it's kind of
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  Speaker 2: a however you want to do it type of thing.
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  Speaker 2: Certain things work for certain for certain coaching stabs. I
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  Speaker 2: think that's ignoring the main problem here. So Highst's offered
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  Speaker 2: at least thirty maybe it's maybe it's closer like thirty two.
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  Speaker 2: They've offered over thirty guys in the twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 2: recruiting class, and they've only got two commitments right now.
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  Speaker 2: They're both in state guys. They're two for two in Ohio.
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  Speaker 2: They're over twenty eight. Essentially at this point that could change.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe they get somebody, maybe they get by fad and
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  Speaker 2: maybe they flip somebody, you know, whatever. But as we
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  Speaker 2: said here today, they're oh for twenty eight out of state.
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  Speaker 2: So if you tell me that if they offered thirty
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  Speaker 2: eight out of you know, if you want to get
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  Speaker 2: to forty or fifty offers. Well, he's missed on the
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  Speaker 2: first twenty eight. So if like, you know, if you
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  Speaker 2: think offering forty or forty five instead of thirty is
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  Speaker 2: going to magically improve the quality of their offensive line classes,
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  Speaker 2: I just I'm not going to necessarily agree with that. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I don't disagree with necessarily with the philosophy of hey,
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  Speaker 2: let's put out some more off maybe a little earlier,
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  Speaker 2: so that maybe if there's a guy out there that
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  Speaker 2: hasn't committed somewhere else yet, that he would be more
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  Speaker 2: likely to join the class. I mean, that's possible, but
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  Speaker 2: you know, generally what happens in Alabama and Georgia are
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  Speaker 2: the two schools that get thrown out there a lot
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  Speaker 2: that offer maybe fifty guys. Half of those offers are
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  Speaker 2: are bs. They're either not going to take those kids
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  Speaker 2: before they commit somewhere else. They're gonna let them go
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  Speaker 2: to Georgia Tech, they're gonna let them go to Rutgers,
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  Speaker 2: they're gonna let them go to North Carolina State like whatever,
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  Speaker 2: or they're never gonna take them no matter what, and
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  Speaker 2: they're just spraying offers. A lot of times you see
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  Speaker 2: this at places especially in the Southeast where you have
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  Speaker 2: schools like Beauford and and Hoover and like all these
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  Speaker 2: other places where they've got like ten Division Ie prospects
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  Speaker 2: and coaches just go in and offer all of them
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  Speaker 2: and they're really only trying to get one or two
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  Speaker 2: of those kids. So it's not that simple. They need
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  Speaker 2: to quite frankly, the major symptom here, the major problem
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  Speaker 2: that needs to be treated is well, hi Stet's got
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  Speaker 2: a very good history along the offensive line even recently,
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  Speaker 2: like recruit has been great the last like ten to
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  Speaker 2: fifteen years, but we're not You know, you got Paris
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  Speaker 2: Johnston in the NFL, who's a sputting superstar. Dwan Jones
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  Speaker 2: had a great rookie year. We're not that far removed
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  Speaker 2: from Nick Mangold and Jack mwhort and Corey Linsley, like
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  Speaker 2: there are guys that have had not just like NFL careers,
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  Speaker 2: but like Pro Bowl, borderline Hall of Fame NFL careers
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  Speaker 2: or in the midst of them. That's not being sold effectively. Clearly, yes,
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  Speaker 2: Norwell Taylor Decker uh just signed a huge extension Like
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  Speaker 2: that's they are not effectively selling their product right now,
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  Speaker 2: and so you can offer twenty eight guys, or you
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  Speaker 2: can offer forty eight guys if you're not effectively selling
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  Speaker 2: your product, if you're not effectively selling the history of
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State's development along the offensive line and your current development,
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  Speaker 2: Like fry has had a hand in a lot of
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  Speaker 2: these recent guys, either as a recruiter or as a
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  Speaker 2: developmental guy. You know, you look at someone like Josh Simmons,
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  Speaker 2: so I think people were making fun of it at
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  Speaker 2: this time last year, who like, look, if he has
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  Speaker 2: a good year this year, he's probably going by the
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  Speaker 2: end of the second round, Donovan Jackson's going to be drafted.
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  Speaker 2: I tend to think Josh Fryer is going to be drafted.
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  Speaker 2: And then they've got a couple of young guys who
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  Speaker 2: who I think will eventually blossom into that. So there
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  Speaker 2: are things here that they can be selling that clearly
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  Speaker 2: aren't being sold. Because if you go, oh, for twenty eight,
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  Speaker 2: I just you're not going to convince me that the
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  Speaker 2: biggest problem is they didn't offer fifteen more guys. You
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  Speaker 2: went over twenty eight on out of state prospects so
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  Speaker 2: far in this cycle. So we can argue about that,
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  Speaker 2: we can talk about that, but like at some point,
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  Speaker 2: you know, you have to close on your top of
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  Speaker 2: the board guys. And like you look at Alabama and
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  Speaker 2: it's like, guys, Micah Debo's wasn't their fortieth or fiftieth
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  Speaker 2: offer of the cycle, Like ty Haywood wasn't their fortieth
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  Speaker 2: or fiftieth O line offer of the cycle. These are
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  Speaker 2: five star borderline five star guys. You're top of the
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  Speaker 2: board guys. They're not getting you know, you want them
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  Speaker 2: to offer twenty We want why is he offer fifteen
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  Speaker 2: or twenty more kids to make the numbers equal with
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  Speaker 2: Alabama or Georgia. They're not getting that far down the road.
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  Speaker 2: So it's not they're not going, oh for twenty eight
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  Speaker 2: on their first twenty eight out of state offers in
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  Speaker 2: a cycle. They're hitting their top of the board guys.
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  Speaker 2: And yes, Dona Jackson was not recruited by Fry, but
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  Speaker 2: he's been coached by Fry now for this what third
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  Speaker 2: year I mean, So he's he's been developed by Fry.
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  Speaker 2: So you absolutely, you know, have to use that to
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  Speaker 2: your advantage, whether you've recruited them or not. So there
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  Speaker 2: is a major disconnect here, and so that's where the
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  Speaker 2: questions have to start. You have to you have to
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  Speaker 2: get to the root of why. So like these are
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  Speaker 2: the questions for me. It's not like does he need
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  Speaker 2: to offer fifteen or twenty more guys? Like that's fine.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's the thing you can always talk about,
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  Speaker 2: is like recruiting strategies, like how many offers do you
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  Speaker 2: put out? Where do you put the offers out? How
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  Speaker 2: many in state kids do you take? Like there's a
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  Speaker 2: lot of things that you can talk about every year.
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  Speaker 2: But in terms of like the current problem, I think
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  Speaker 2: the questions need more be based in what they're doing
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  Speaker 2: with the kids they're offering, Like are they is justify
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  Speaker 2: putting in enough time? In terms of relationship building? Is
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  Speaker 2: Ryan Day involved enough? You know I've said this before,
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  Speaker 2: or the last couple offensive line coaches needed help from
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  Speaker 2: the head coach and the regional coaches. We can go
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  Speaker 2: all the way back then Warner. You know Jamarco Jones,
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  Speaker 2: Mike Vrabel was huge with Jamarco Jones. Larry Johnson helped
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  Speaker 2: them in Maryland with Isaiah Prince uh Greg Ciano led
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  Speaker 2: the charge on NPF Urban Meyer led the charge on
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  Speaker 2: Wyatt Davis. Sheiano was very involved with Whippler in New
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  Speaker 2: Jersey with his ties there. So are you getting enough
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  Speaker 2: time in with these guys from your coaching staff? I
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  Speaker 2: think that's the first obvious question. Then we get into okay,
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  Speaker 2: like why aren't you selling this effectively? And this is
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  Speaker 2: mostly a justin Frye thing, but it also does fall
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  Speaker 2: in the head coach, you know, because again when when
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  Speaker 2: O line coaches in the past struggled, Urban Meyer would
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  Speaker 2: step in. Gosh, when Ryan da Ryan Day recruited Harry Miller,
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  Speaker 2: you know, when he was an assistant. So and and
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  Speaker 2: if you go back and look at like Harry Miller's
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  Speaker 2: comments in terms of committing committing Ohio State signing with
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  Speaker 2: Ohio State, Ryan Day is the guy they mentioned, so
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  Speaker 2: like they should kind of know that if you're guy,
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  Speaker 2: if you've got a position coach, who's you know, not
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  Speaker 2: getting all the guys he needs to be getting. Are
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  Speaker 2: you doing enough to step in and ham and help?
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  Speaker 2: Are your you know, area guys doing enough to step
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  Speaker 2: in help? So these are the types of questions that
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  Speaker 2: I think Ohio State needs to be asking itself much
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  Speaker 2: more than Boy, would this happened if we had offered
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  Speaker 2: ten more kids that we probably don't want because you're
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  Speaker 2: gonna get you can get those kids, you know, they
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  Speaker 2: they yeah, they've committed to Indiana by now, they've committed
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  Speaker 2: to Illinois by now, they've committed to Louisville or Kentucky
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  Speaker 2: by now. But you can you can call those kids
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  Speaker 2: in November and flip them. So those are the questions
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  Speaker 2: I think need to be asked. What's a bigger concern
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  Speaker 2: ol recruiting or development. It's definitely recruiting for me. I
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  Speaker 2: think the development's been okay. You know, I think they've
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  Speaker 2: got a lot out of Josh Simmons. I think they
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  Speaker 2: got a lot out of Josh Fryer, who is not
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  Speaker 2: a very heavily recruited guy. But it's pretty arrogant off
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  Speaker 2: for so few high school kids. Again, I mean, sure, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: you could offer ten to fifteen more, but again you've
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  Speaker 2: missed on twenty eight, So like, what are we doing?
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  Speaker 2: But that's the problem. They've got to figure out why
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  Speaker 2: the sales pitch is what it is. And you know
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  Speaker 2: the five for to Georgia Tech. Sometimes kids want to
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  Speaker 2: stay home. There's nothing you can do about it. Like
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  Speaker 2: in fact, like when you see a finalist like this
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  Speaker 2: is I always joke about this, like if a finalist
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  Speaker 2: is like Georgia Tech, like Jamier Gibbs, if a finalist
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  Speaker 2: is Georgia Tech, if a finalist is even look at
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  Speaker 2: someone they got ultimately landed and signed who they lost,
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  Speaker 2: and like Noah Rodgers if a finalist is NC State,
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  Speaker 2: or even like if you go the other way like academics,
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  Speaker 2: if a finalist is Stanford, that should perk your ears up.
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  Speaker 2: That's actually not really for me, a huge thing. I
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  Speaker 2: mean we see that happen a lot. Like guys just
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  Speaker 2: want to stay within a thirty mile radius of their house,
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  Speaker 2: and those schools are generally going to have more resources too.
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  Speaker 2: So I mentioned like the eight hundred k for Petty, Well,
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  Speaker 2: who else is Georgia Tech spending that kind of money
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  Speaker 2: on an nil nobody. They've got to get the big
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  Speaker 2: splash and keep the you know, the borderline five star
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  Speaker 2: kid home. You know, Jake Cook's not getting eight hundred
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  Speaker 2: thousand dollars to stay home for Ohio States. So there
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  Speaker 2: are things at play there with the Georgia Tech things.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not too wrapped up in that. I think
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  Speaker 2: Petty was always gonna go to either Georgia Tech or
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  Speaker 2: Florida State, which is not that far down the road.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, so that there's always interesting things with lists.
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  Speaker 2: So whenever there's a local school on there that doesn't
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  Speaker 2: make sense, you should pay attention to that, like pay
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  Speaker 2: attention when Missouri's in with Luther Burden, you know, like
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  Speaker 2: there are just things you need to There are just
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  Speaker 2: times that kids just want to stay closer around them,
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  Speaker 2: and that just happens. But but again, you can't go
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  Speaker 2: over for twenty eight. Like what are we talking about here?
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  Speaker 2: Like if you offer forty, like you're gonna get twenty nine,
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  Speaker 2: thirty thirty one, Okay, are you gonna be happy with that?
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  Speaker 2: Are you gonna be happy with getting the fortieth choice
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  Speaker 2: in a recruiting class because nobody, nobody's doing that. Like
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  Speaker 2: all these examples of people are just thrown out on Twitter. Well,
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  Speaker 2: Alabama offered fifty kids. Alabama didn't even think about of
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  Speaker 2: those kids, they just offered. They didn't think about it,
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  Speaker 2: They didn't recruit them, they didn't do anything with them.
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  Speaker 2: They were never going to take them, and they got
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  Speaker 2: their top of the board guys. So offering fifty guys
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  Speaker 2: was nothing more than a really a publicity stunt. For
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  Speaker 2: you know, whoever, whichever high school coach or program. You
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  Speaker 2: know they're trying to fuel. So you know, we'll see,
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  Speaker 2: you know, what they do here. You know, the numbers
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  Speaker 2: are already being out being thrown out there for twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty six. Yes, they've only offered sixteen guys. They've offered
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  Speaker 2: three guys from Ohio. They've offered another kid from the
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  Speaker 2: Ohio West Virginia border. They've offered four kids essentially from Ohio,
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  Speaker 2: like Duran Parks is from West Virginia. Drawn Parks is
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  Speaker 2: on record with me multiple times telling me Ohio State's
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  Speaker 2: the homeschool for him. It's closer to Morgantown, OHISTI it's
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  Speaker 2: closer to Morgan than to him than Morgantown. So they've
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  Speaker 2: essentially offered four in state guys already. So again, I
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  Speaker 2: don't I don't want to beat this thing to death
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  Speaker 2: because I'm gonna get off this point here in a second.
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  Speaker 2: But they've offered four in state guys. Yes, they're recruiting
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  Speaker 2: Adam Guthrie. Should they offer him? I think you do?
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  Speaker 2: You know, look, his junior season hasn't even started yet.
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  Speaker 2: The level of competition he plays isn't very good. You
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  Speaker 2: may want to see a game or two, a junior film,
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  Speaker 2: but scholarships are about to go from eighty five to
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  Speaker 2: one o five. You're gonna need to take six or
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  Speaker 2: seven probably at least in twenty six with the scholarship
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  Speaker 2: increases and everything else. So you know the idea that
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  Speaker 2: again they should have forty offers out of no line
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  Speaker 2: right now, Like, that's fine if you feel that way. Again,
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  Speaker 2: I'm not I'm not trying to like talk you out
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  Speaker 2: of that, but I'm what I'm saying is they've offered
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  Speaker 2: sixteen if they don't get the Ohio guys, and among
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  Speaker 2: that succeed. They don't get those guys, does it like
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  Speaker 2: they're not signing a good class at that point. So
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  Speaker 2: whether they offer forty or fifty guys is almost, I
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  Speaker 2: don't say, irrelevant, but it just doesn't matter if they're
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  Speaker 2: not going to get these Ohio guys, like they're just
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  Speaker 2: just they're not going to sign a good class. But
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  Speaker 2: we'll see and and someone can we throw up the
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  Speaker 2: the Guthrie and Conroy point again, because that that's something
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  Speaker 2: I do want to get into. So and Guthrie will
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  Speaker 2: on Friday and offer either one. Yeah, I mean, you
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  Speaker 2: know they have offered Conroy. I get what you're saying
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  Speaker 2: there with Day. So that does bring me to kind
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  Speaker 2: of my next point. As far as Fry specifically, he
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  Speaker 2: and I posted this on the board before David Sanders
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  Speaker 2: announce I posted this. It was in our chat. I
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  Speaker 2: think it was Thursday. We had our daily chat and
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  Speaker 2: someone was asking me about Fry's job security, and I
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  Speaker 2: laid out I think it was like four, I'll summarize
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  Speaker 2: for people who are on our site, who should be
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  Speaker 2: because the season kicks off in two weeks and why
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  Speaker 2: aren't you there? But I laid out like some criteria
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  Speaker 2: that like, look, if if these criteria aren't met in
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  Speaker 2: the next three to four months, there could be some
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  Speaker 2: decisions to make, some very big decisions to make. And
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  Speaker 2: everyone in the building I think knows this already, and
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  Speaker 2: those things are look, you know, obviously David Sanders decision yikes.
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  Speaker 2: The way they finished twenty five recruiting to be determined.
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  Speaker 2: The way they start twenty six, which goes into Guthrie
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  Speaker 2: and Conroy and the Ohio guys they've offered and Deron
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  Speaker 2: Parks and champ Smith and those guys, and how the
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  Speaker 2: offensive line. Obviously, this is always gonna be the biggest one.
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  Speaker 2: It's it's it is what it is, no matter how
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  Speaker 2: much you love recruiting. Is is how the offensive line
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  Speaker 2: performs on the field this fall. So now we've seen
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  Speaker 2: the David Sanders decision, we assume that's not going to
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: be reversed. We don't know how twenty five is gonna finish,
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: we don't know how twenty six is going to start,
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: and we don't know how the offensive line is gonna
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: play this yere yet. But my point and all that
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: and that in my my answer, the cliff notes of
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: that was these are the kind of the criteria right now.
• 19:32
  Speaker 2: These do important things for Fry, and if a couple
• 19:35
  Speaker 2: of these aren't met, yeah, this could be an interesting winter.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: This could So I just I think that, yes, I'm
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: not protecting anyone here. I very much think if twenty
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: five doesn't finish strong, if you know, would would they
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: would they allow this to get Like they're got to
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: take a portal guy anyway. So like I don't know
• 20:03
  Speaker 2: that the portal is going to factor into like any
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: decisions on Fry, but like they're gonna have to get
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: a portal guy anyway. They don't have to do that anyway.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: Like I've said this for like eighteen months. Twenty five,
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: after the twenty four season, they're gonna have to get
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: a plug and play guy, whether that's a starter somewhere
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: or whether it's like a sixth or seventh man type
• 20:19
  Speaker 2: of thing. For depth, they're going to have to go
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: to the portal. That's just the reality of the offensive
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: line and knowing that even like David Sanders, if you
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: get him, the odds of him coming right in and
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: being one of your three or four best offensive linemen
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: are are not great. Like Paris Johnson didn't start as
• 20:35
  Speaker 2: a true freshman. Like, so you're gonna need a body.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: So I think that's probably not that's probably a Ryan
• 20:40
  Speaker 2: Day thing. But yeah, like if if the twenty five
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: class continues to go this direction, if David Sanders sticks
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: with Tennessee, if GU three is an offered maybe in
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: a few months, or or more importantly, if if things
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: continue to maybe not trend in the greatest direction for
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: Will Conroy, who I think is the best center in
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: the class nationally, these are all very bad and if
• 21:14
  Speaker 2: all of that happens, the offensive line is going to
• 21:17
  Speaker 2: have to be amazing this fall for that to be
• 21:21
  Speaker 2: like a justifiable thing at this point. So you know,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I fully like am aware or with you, with many
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: of you on this that this is this is a
• 21:34
  Speaker 2: very very big four or five months for Justin Frye.
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: And again I laid out the criteria. I'll repeat it
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: again because I think we just like doubled in numbers
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: in the last like ten minutes. So you know, the
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: criteria for fry right now to avoid a very very
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: interesting winter is finish twenty five recruiting better than what
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: we're sitting at right now, get off to a good
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: start in twenty six. You've offered essentially four in state guys.
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: There's two or three more Ohio guys in twenty six
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: who warrant a very close look, Andrew guthleet or Adam
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: Guthrum sorry, got a brother, Adam Guthrie being one of
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: the big ones. And then again, how the offensive line
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: plays is fall certainly the offensive we can't I think,
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: O Hi, the expectations are national championship this fall for
• 22:32
  Speaker 2: O High. Everyone knows that we cannot look back at
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: the end of January and be like man if the
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: offensive line had played a little better they could have
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: done this, Like that can't be a thing either. So
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: like there's a lot of things here and if those
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: criteria aren't met, yeah, I think it's going to be
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: an interesting winter in Columbus for offensive line. But let's
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: go let's go a little bit here. We got some
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: questions now, so we can we can start throwing some
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: up and I can kind of go into that Will
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: Fry offer Andrew BABBALOA. You know, I think at this
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: point the answer is probably yes. I don't. You know,
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: they've not they They're like the options right now are
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: about nil. So what I would do now is I
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: would obviously you've got to start spraying some offers here soon.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: So whether that's in like three weeks, once you've seen
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: like game one, Game two, whatever, of high school film,
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: of senior film, because sometimes guys pop as seniors o
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: lions developmental. Some of these guys don't play as sophomore
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: as they get bigger, stronger as juniors and seniors. But yeah,
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I mean they they're going to have to, as I
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: said yesterday, they have to reshuffle the deck, which means
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: they're gonna have to offer some guys here, probably in
• 23:56
  Speaker 2: the next three to four weeks at the very very
• 23:58
  Speaker 2: very very latest. So I think at this point in
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: this kind of not get back into the offers thing.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: This is kind of a semantics thing. So you don't
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: have to offer a kid to talk to him. So
• 24:14
  Speaker 2: like that's the other kind of thing here is like
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: have you been talking to guys? Because you don't have
• 24:20
  Speaker 2: to offer them to talk to them, you can sit
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: there and be like, here's our situation. We need to
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: see like your first two games of senior film, or
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: here's our situation. We're not sure of our number. There's
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: a there's a million reasons you can throw out there
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: for why you haven't offered a kid yet without you know,
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: and but you can keep up the dialogue and build
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: a relationship. So are they Have they been doing that
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: the way they should? So that's another thing here I
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: think we're gonna find out. But yeah, Nolan Davenport, So
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: that was a guy I thought would eventually get an offer.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: He didn't. He didn't, I guess from their perspective he
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: did not do enough at camp the day he camped,
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: and he like, you know, he committed to Wisconsin the
• 24:57
  Speaker 2: next day. So do I think they could repair that
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: if they wanted to. Yeah, I think they could, but
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: you kind of see how kids feel about things by
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: what they do. No, one didn't like go home, be
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: like let me wait a few weeks or let me like,
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: let me think about this. What do I want to do?
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: Like he like clearly was like, oh, you didn't offer
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: me like I'm committing to Wisconsin like right now. So
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: like he jumped on that right away. So that obviously
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: shows uh, some anger or up you know, some type
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: of feeling towards the situation there with not getting offered
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: a camp. But you know so that I always think
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: you can repair things with Ohio kids that want to
• 25:46
  Speaker 2: be buck Eyes or like grew up wanting to be
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: buck Eyes. You can usually repair those. It's a matter
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: if does ohiose want to because they could have offered
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: him a camp, they didn't, and now we have to
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: see if they want to. And again I go back
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: to going from eighty five to to one oh five,
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: which is a whole other episode probably as far as
• 26:05
  Speaker 2: like roster balance and things like that. But I do
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: think you're gonna maybe want to take one or two
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: more this year than you initially were going to. And
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: I do think next year you may take one or
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: two more than you initially want, you just to kind
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: of balance things out as you try and work your
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: way to one oh five, because what you're not going
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: to do is sign a forty five man class. To
• 26:23
  Speaker 2: get to one oh five, You're gonna have to like
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: kind of play catch up over two or three cycles.
• 26:33
  Speaker 2: Since colors see internship story shot, I mean yeah, I
• 26:38
  Speaker 2: mean that's to me because you don't. You don't like
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: we can talk about like plan B or contingency plans
• 26:47
  Speaker 2: all we want. If you miss on David Sanders, you're
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: not replacing David Sanders with David Sanders two point oh,
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: like you've lost David Sander, Like you don't. There's no
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: contingency plan for not getting Jeremiah Smith, Like there's no
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: contingency plan for not getting a player like Brandon Innis
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: or like these are like elite players. You don't just
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: have like a your backup plan is always going to
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: be several notches below that caliber player. So, like Thomas,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: what you're saying, there's a kind of a good point,
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: and quite frankly, a more immediate help than anything they
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: could get in twenty five David Sanders included is they
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: need to keep a very close eye on kind of
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: the coach change market and and just kind of you know,
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: who might be unhappy in their current situations. And you
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: can do this legally. I mean, it's not a problem
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: to call a high school coach and be like, hey,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: how so and so doing at college? Are they happy
• 27:49
  Speaker 2: where they're at? Do they like their O line coach,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: do they like their head coach? Whatever it may be. So, yeah,
• 27:53
  Speaker 2: they need to be very vigilant on the transfer market
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: and get out in front of it and not get
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: caught flat footed, and try and stay ahead of that
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: as best they can. Let's bring up let's bring up Stud.
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: I got I gotta address some of the stud stuff.
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: So when Stud was here, let's this happens a lot.
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: I And it's human nature, like we all do it.
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: When guys have are gone, and a coaches have been
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: gone for a while, we tend to romanticize them a
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: little bit. We tend to forget all the criticisms we
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: had of them while they were here. I mean, you know,
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: there are so many things people complained about with Tressel
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: and Meyer that go totally just unremembered by now, and
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: that's fine, like it is what it is. But I
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: think we're having I think we're reaching the romanticizing of
• 29:04
  Speaker 2: greg'sa dwar period, you know, stud getting Paris. Let's let's
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: go back to what happened with Paris Johnson. Paris Johnson's
• 29:15
  Speaker 2: committed to Ohio State firmly, was not visiting anywhere else,
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: was all in with Ohio State. And why was that?
• 29:20
  Speaker 2: That was because his relationship with urban Meyer. What happened
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: when urban Meyer, you know, retired, Paris freaked out. He
• 29:27
  Speaker 2: started visiting other schools. He essentially opened his recruitment because
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: he didn't have a very relationship with greg's'doar at the
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: time because urban Meyer had driven that. So the idea
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: that that was salvaged is like not a plus on
• 29:41
  Speaker 2: the scouting report there for me of Greg's and Juara,
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: like an unprecedented number of misses in Ohio. So let's
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: go back to twenty nineteen class of twenty nineteen stud
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: misses on four Ohio kids that he offered. Now I'm
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: not talking about oh he misevaluated. He he didn't offer
• 30:04
  Speaker 2: him and they turned out to be really good, Like
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: that happens to everybody. He offered four Ohio kids that
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: he didn't sign. That's unprecedented, Like that's not even a
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: thing that's ever happened to Ohio State. What happens in
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty Paris Johnson freaks out, So that becomes that
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: goes from being the leader of the class, your gem recruit,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: to visiting all over the SEC's in all of the
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: country and your Panic and you're trying to keep him
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: in the fold. And what else does he do in
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty he goes low hanging fruit. Instead of getting
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: himself into some battles, he takes early offers and commitments
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: from kid from elder who I'm blanking on, Jacob Grant, Tuton, Trai, LaRue,
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: all these kids, bless their hearts. We all knew at
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: the time were not Ohio State caliber. And we're validated
• 31:00
  Speaker 2: over the next three or four years because Jacob James
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: sorry I was blanking on his last name, and we
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: we knew that. We said when we all like, what
• 31:08
  Speaker 2: are they doing here? Why are they doing this so early?
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: It's like it's the winter, it's the spring, why are
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: you doing this right now? You can get those guys
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: literally like the eve of signing day. You can call
• 31:17
  Speaker 2: those guys and get them like, this is what we
• 31:22
  Speaker 2: were dealing with. If you're an O High State fan,
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: this is what you were dealing with. So I don't
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: think uh looking back and saying, oh, he wasn't that bad,
• 31:32
  Speaker 2: like it was pretty bad, which doesn't excuse what's happening now.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: If you look at what Fry has done, the one
• 31:46
  Speaker 2: upgrade with Fry from stud is that Fry is not
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: missing on Ohio kids that he's offering. And that sounds
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: silly and it should be silly, like we should be
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: at the point now with Oline recruiting where we shouldn't
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: have to look at our you know, at who is
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: the O line coach. We should have to look at
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: them and be like, well, at least they get the
• 32:06
  Speaker 2: Ohio kids. Like that should kind of be expected, right,
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: Like I should be expected for every position coach to
• 32:10
  Speaker 2: get their kids from Ohio that they want. But that's like,
• 32:15
  Speaker 2: if we're doing the Justin Fryes scouting report, you know
• 32:17
  Speaker 2: the positives and the negatives. That is the positive is
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: he hasn't had a Jackson Carman A Blake Miller, A
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: Zeke Correll a JD do Play he hasn't had that yet. Now,
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: if that starts now, as we talked about earlier, if
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: that starts to happen with Will Conroy and like somebody's like,
• 32:39
  Speaker 2: then like set off all the alarms, because this is
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: the positive on the scouting report right now, is that
• 32:45
  Speaker 2: you are getting Carter Low. You are getting the Ohio
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: kids you want and like to an extent, I would
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: consider like Ian Moore an Ohio kid. So you're getting
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: those kinds of guys. You're not missing on those guys,
• 32:57
  Speaker 2: which was happening quite a lot in the lead up
• 33:00
  Speaker 2: who It's quite frankly probably the reason justin Fries here
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: is because guys like that were getting away like every year,
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: like consistently every year. So if that stops happening, if
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Fry starts missing on Will Conroy, if if you know,
• 33:18
  Speaker 2: we got talking about Ron Parks and Max Riley and
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: those guys, if those start being dicey, real problem like
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: like not just like there's not a fire like not
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: now the fire has spread from like just your apartment
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: to like the entire complex. So like that's that's the
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: that's the kind of thing to watch here, I think
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: even more than how they finish in twenty five is
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: the next few months of twenty six? Like, are you
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: really not going to get Will Conroy because that should
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: have been a lay up, Like you have to fight
• 33:53
  Speaker 2: for Max Riley? That should be a layup. Like what
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: are you know? So there are some things here that
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: build into that with twenty six. But yes, I had to.
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: I had to kind of address the stud coments though,
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: because I talked to every parent of every recruit stud
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: ever recruited at a highest state. I thought every kid
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: stud ever a recruited at high state, you know, And
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: the reality of that was a lot of heavy lifting
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: had to be done by urban Meyer and by the
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: regional coaches. And you saw that with in state recruiting.
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: Because unless unless you believe I'm not trying to insult
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: anybody here, but unless you believe that he's incapable of
• 34:41
  Speaker 2: landing lifelong Ohio State fan JD. Duplaine, lifelong Ohio State
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: fan Nick Saymac, he's incapable of landing life long O
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: High State fan Blake Miller, Like, unless you believe he's
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: incapable of that, Like if you believe he's incapable of
• 34:58
  Speaker 2: that when she was but and he's somehow capable of
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: leading the charge on Wyatt Davis, Like this is just
• 35:03
  Speaker 2: not like reality, like urban Meyer led the charge on
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: White Davis. They got MPF because Greg Ciano is like
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: mister Berkeley Prep. He coached there like for a year
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: or two during his hiatus, like he was all over
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: his hands where all over that program. NPF was gonna
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: go wherever greag wherever Greg Ciana told him. If Greg
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Shianna said, actually, I don't know if she's a great
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: right place for you, Nick, She's probably go to Florida,
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: Nick would have went Florida, like, but of course Greg
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: is not gonna do that is no high state coach.
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: But like there are some things there's a little revisionist
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: history going on with that, so address that. But again,
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: I don't if there's anything I would say it's a
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: positive here. I think that everything we're talking about here,
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: like this needs to change, This needs to be better,
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: this needs to whatever whatever it is, it's well known.
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: I think inside the world, like, I don't think there's
• 35:58
  Speaker 2: this like haze across like Ryan Day of like oh
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: everything is fine, like that that meme, everything is fine,
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: this is fine. I don't think that's happening. You can't
• 36:10
  Speaker 2: do anything right now, Like you can't like fire someone
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: from missing on David Sanders. You can't like, like if
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: Heartline misses on a five Partlin's is probably bad example,
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: But you can't just like fire a coach the day
• 36:21
  Speaker 2: after he misses on a five star prospect in the
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: middle of fall camp. But like Ryan Day's aware of, like, hey,
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: this isn't good enough. We need twenty six to like
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: not be a clown show. The offensive line better be
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: good this year. Like these are all things I think
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: that everyone's aware of. So again, and like if these
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: things don't get fixed here the next three or four months, again,
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: I can't really say it much clearer. I do think
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: January becomes a very interesting month, like I think it does.
• 36:56
  Speaker 2: I think, but there's three or four months for things
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: to get fixed, and we'll see if they do. I mean,
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: that's all we can do. I mean, we're not recruiting
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: kids where you guys aren't recruiting, Like we just have
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: to kind of, you know, wait and see what what
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: gets fixed, what doesn't, and and how things look. Yeah,
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're gonna pay a premium to get someone,
• 37:25
  Speaker 2: like David said, like I think those numbers are are
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: pretty close. But as was told to me many, many,
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: many times from people at Ohio State, they didn't lose.
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: They weren't going to lose David Sanders, and they didn't
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: lose David Sanders over nil. They were competitive there. This
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: This was a decision I think that you know, unfortunately,
• 37:49
  Speaker 2: I think came down a little bit of geography. And
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I think again, Tennessee, if you look at what Tennessee's
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: done in this class, and you can do the low
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: hanging fruit, you can do what every other school does
• 37:59
  Speaker 2: and say it's an IL, because that's the new thing.
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: The new didn't want to compete is nil. Everyone every
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: school does it. Whenever they miss on a kid, it's nil.
• 38:07
  Speaker 2: And then whenever they get a five star kid, it's
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: because that kid just out of the goodness of his heart,
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: just loved that school and turned down like way more
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: money elsewhere to be at that school. And that's kind
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: of the annoying thing that's going on right now. But
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: Ohio State was competitive in nil David Sanders. If you
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: look at what Tennessee's done, they got David Sanders and
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: they got Douglas you too, those are like Ohio State. Now,
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: Ohio is never going to get you to, and quite frankly,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: for most of the process, I don't think they had
• 38:32
  Speaker 2: a chance with Sanders either, but they were never going
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: to get you to. But Tennessee was able to convince
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: those guys of something. And it's more than just dollars
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: and cents. Because if you're David Sanders, if you're Douglas,
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: you too you can get a million dollars at more
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: than one school like you can. So there's tie breakers here.
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: And if you listen to David, if you kind of
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: listen to some other recruits that pick Tennessee, they are
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: fully convinced that Tennessee's and OH line factory is Tennessee
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: an Oligne factory. I would say they're not. Darnell Wright
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: was a good player. It was a very good player there.
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: But if you look at like the last thirty years
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: at Tennessee, I would not consider Tennessee an O line factory.
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: Yet they've been able to sell what they've done with
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: O line better than Ohio State has and that's that
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: to me is concerning. And someone told me I was
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: doing damage control saying that. He says, that's not damage control.
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: That's more damning to say that Ohio State is doing
• 39:29
  Speaker 2: a worse job selling their product than schools like Tennessee
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: than to throw up my hands and just say wealthy
• 39:35
  Speaker 2: it would just offer fifteen more kids, they wouldn't be
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: in the situation. That's damage control telling someone that, oh,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: if they just offered more kids, that's damage control. Telling
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: people on Twitter very publicly, not hiding from it, not
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: you know, playing and doing the home team reporter thing
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: and everything's fine, or making excuses, telling people that other
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: schools are doing a better job selling their process, their
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: development there, whatever it is. Then Ohio State on the
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: offensive line, that is not good. That's not good at all,
• 40:09
  Speaker 2: and that needs to change, you know. Brian Hartline, Well,
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: Hio State went through a bit of a receiver draft
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: if you actually go back and look from like I
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: don't know, maybe like oh, like late two thousands into
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: the mid twenty tens, they had a guy here and there,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: but like they kind of, you know, they got away
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: from kind of what they were doing in the nineties
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: and the early two thousands in terms like it felt
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: like every year they had a first round pick, and
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: they got away from that a little bit. Well, Brian Hartline,
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: and then to his credit, you know, Zack Smith was
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: able to help that. You know, Zach's got a lot
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: of good guys too. I'm not trying to discredit what
• 40:51
  Speaker 2: Zach was doing, but kind of like the end of
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: the Trestle era and then into the beginning of the
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: Meyer era, they kind of fell off a little bit.
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: Brian Hartline was able to sell receivers on Ohio State
• 41:06
  Speaker 2: with without his own track record other than he played
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: in the NFL, and there's a lot of guys who
• 41:10
  Speaker 2: played in the NFL that can't develop. So he was
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: able to take a situation that was good but not
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: amazing and make it amazing. And what the offensive line
• 41:23
  Speaker 2: brain trusts at Ohio State has done the last ten
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: years is take a really good situation and make it
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: not that great. And that's the problem. That's the difference
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: in sales and being able to not necessarily just sales,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: but just being able to get your message across and
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: felt by these guys, because that's that's the huge that's
• 41:39
  Speaker 2: the huge problem right now is you're letting a school
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: like Tennessee. You know, it's one thing to lose a kid.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: I think it's one thing to lose kids to Alabama
• 41:48
  Speaker 2: and Georgia, like they've got a pretty equal track record
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: all things considered, you know, developmentally, winning championships, all that stuff.
• 41:57
  Speaker 2: When you're letting Tennessee paint a narrative that you're gonna
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: be better developed there when there's very little historical evidence
• 42:06
  Speaker 2: to show that, that to me is alarming. And so
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: that's the uh that again, that kind of rat that
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: that's the theme of I guess of today's episode. But
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: that's not that's not damage control. I'm sure as hell
• 42:19
  Speaker 2: is not damage control. And that sure as hell is
• 42:21
  Speaker 2: not you know, playing for the home crowd or playing
• 42:24
  Speaker 2: for the home team when you when you sit here
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: and you say, like they're not doing a very good
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: job selling their product. So that's yeah, and that's you know,
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: I know I kind of went off on a tangent
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: there on the David Sanders thing, But yes, I believe
• 42:38
  Speaker 2: you got more than a million dollars. I believe the
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: higher state would have given THEI more than a million dollars.
• 42:43
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's why they lost David Sanders and
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: o Hio State would be the first like we get
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: the texts, Okay, like me like guys like Burm. We
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: get the texts when a kid commits elsewhere, thought he
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: was worth more than any you know, whatever, you know,
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: wanted more, you know, from different sources, you know, not
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: always a high state people. It's could be anything. It
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: could be people around the program. We have some knowledge
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: of things, not necessarily coaches or anything like that, but
• 43:10
  Speaker 2: like we get those like oh, you know, and I
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: all strikes again or what you know whatever that No
• 43:15
  Speaker 2: one's saying that about David Sanders, like it's just they're
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: just not so what else we got here? Yeah, I
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: mean that that's true. Every case is a little different.
• 43:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, kids hit the portal for different reasons. Coaching changes.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: Some kids outplay their their high school ranking. They find
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: out very quickly, like boy, you know, I'm at I'm
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: an acron. I should have been at Illinois Or I'm
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: an akron, I should have been at Ohio State. What
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: what's going on? Why am i I'm like way better
• 43:55
  Speaker 2: than everybody here? That happens. But yeah, there are kids,
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: well I think you've got to watch for or like
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: the multi time transfers, especially guys who like play. They're
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: not transferring for like down for like playing time. It's
• 44:11
  Speaker 2: essentially to put it in like pro pro sports terms,
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: they're playing out like their one year option, and then
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: they're not picking up their player option for year two,
• 44:19
  Speaker 2: and they're essentially hitting the market every year to try
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: and get the best deal. There's no question that's going on.
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: There's no question what else to come here and say
• 44:32
  Speaker 2: they don't even hear this was a This to me
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: is probably the most alarming thing because take Fry's name
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: out of this and put Stud's name in for it.
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: And that was me five years ago. I couldn't tell
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: you how many kids I talked to that they hadn't offered,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: or a lot of kids that they did offer in
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: that who even only did they offer they were kids
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: Ohio State won it. They weren't even like Plan b's
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: where I would get a private conversation or they would
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: sometimes share it in articles of like, yeah, I don't
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: hear from Stud very much. I talked to Urban a lot.
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: I talked to, you know, my area recruiter Tony Alford
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: or my area recruiter Zack Smith or Brian Hart, you
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: know whatever. But I don't talk to Stud as much.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: And it's like, yikes, and if there was anything you like,
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: this is how we do thing, Like when we make changes.
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: We all do this, whether it's if you own a
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: business and you have employees, or whether you just changes
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: in your life or just change it whatever it is,
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: you tend to go from like one extreme to the other.
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: So like if you get rid of somebody for something
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: they're not doing, it's like kind of like in the NFL,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: if they go like they have a defensive head coach
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: and they fire him, they hire the offensive guru as
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: their head coach. You would think if there was one
• 46:01
  Speaker 2: thing that they were going to do in the post
• 46:05
  Speaker 2: stud era, it was to make sure whoever they hire
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: is like an A plus communicator, an A plus user
• 46:15
  Speaker 2: of the cell phone, like whatever. Like you would have
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: thought they would have went like total opposite there. And
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: if you as we were hearing, I didn't get much
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: of this at the beginning, but yeah, if we start
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: to hear more of this, like yeah, I'm not talking
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: to coach Fry a lot, that is like, man, that's
• 46:32
  Speaker 2: that's why you made the change. So that's definitely something
• 46:37
  Speaker 2: to watch now. I will say this, they are just
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: now able to contact They're just not gonna be able
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: to contact twenty sixes like they couldn't back in May,
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: June July, they were not able to call twenty sixes.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: Now that's a whole other argument. Should they be doing
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: that anyway, should be finding ways to do it? Yes,
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: because you can always call a high school coach. So
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: to me, there's not a huge excuse for that. You
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: can always call a high school coach and be like, Hey,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna when can I chat with Johnny? You know,
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I need to talk to him. I can't. I say rules,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: don't let me call him. You know, other schools maybe
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: breaking these rules. I'm not going to do that. Bring
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: john When can you bring Johnny in your office after school,
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: before school, whatever? And and go ahead and put him
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: on the phone with me. And that's perfectly legal. What
• 47:26
  Speaker 2: happens all the time. It's what they should be doing.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Is that happening enough? And so yeah, these are things
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: that again, if you're regurgitating this or you're repeating kind
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: of the same things that led you to make a
• 47:48
  Speaker 2: change in the past, that's not good. That's never good.
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: But you know, I keep seeing, you know, I'm seeing
• 47:57
  Speaker 2: more about the like if Oregon offers him a Falabama,
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: can you put up the organ offers of Georgia offers.
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to call people out, but these are
• 48:03
  Speaker 2: like interesting things I want to talk about. Then they're
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: like there was a post about if Orgon offers, if
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: Georgia yep, if Oregon and Georgia offer then they're clearly
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: Ohigh State good or something like that was the comment.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: But again I say to that, that's that's the comment.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: I would talk about half of Alabama's offers, half of
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: Georgia's offers are are nonsense. They're not OSU good because
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: they're on Alabama good and they're not Georgia good. And
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: those schools are offering them with no intention of ever
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: actually accepting their commitment. So I think we have to
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: like not deal in absolute. So when we talk about
• 48:40
  Speaker 2: the offers game, there are kids with offer lists. I'm
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: not trying to throw anyone under the bus, but I'm
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: gonna use an example because I have to, because if
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: I just say this with no example, then it just
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: sounds like I'm pulling something out of my you know what.
• 48:53
  Speaker 2: So everyone was completely up in arms this time last year.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: Little High State hadn't offered dayne Galloway. Georgia offered him.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: He's got to be Georgia good. Why haven't a Why
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: no high state offered? He's had all these offers, Queen
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: Galloway's committed to Purdue, like and I actually think Dwayne's
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: better than Purdue. This is coming from a place where
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: I think Dayne's pretty good. But like, offer lists are complicated. Uh,
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: it's just not a black and white thing. That's just
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: kind of leaving it at that. What else, what else
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: we got? I have not gotten that vibe to the
• 49:42
  Speaker 2: extent I got it under previous offensive line coaches. And
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: I say that plural because for whatever reason, the last
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: like previous like three or four offensive line coaches were
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: for in some for various reasons, we're kind of non recruiters.
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: I haven't had the drum beats as loud with Fry.
• 50:07
  Speaker 2: But so I'm not going to go as far and
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: say he doesn't like your career. I don't know that
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: I know that his I know that whatever his method
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: is right now is not effective enough, that's for sure.
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: So if it is, if it is not being passionate
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: about it, that's obviously a problem. If it's an approach
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: that's not connecting. That's obviously a problem too. I don't
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: know what it is, but it's not good enough, and
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: I think clearly we've got to comment there. It says
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: Fry is a problem with building relationships. I think that's
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: hard to deny at this point. If if generally speaking,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: and you can throw nil out there, you can do
• 50:57
  Speaker 2: all this, you can throw all the excuses you want
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: out there, generally speaking, if you're not landing a competitive
• 51:03
  Speaker 2: percentage of your targets, I generally think that's true until
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: the percentages change on that, until he goes out and
• 51:21
  Speaker 2: gets a four or five star kid from Georgia, Florida, Texas, California, Pennsylvania,
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: whatever it might be. Until he does that, like at
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: a higher percentage, that's you know, that's a fair criticism.
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: I don't know how it's not a fair criticism. How
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: much is Dave's French fry interference. I think we'll know
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: the answer to that in a few months, because if now,
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: if I turns this around, if they finished strong in
• 51:51
  Speaker 2: twenty five, if we're sitting here on January first, he's
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: got three or four commits in twenty six from like
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: top targets and the O line played really well during
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: the season, and they're like in the National Championship hunt, Like,
• 52:05
  Speaker 2: can you objectively make a change? Probably not. I don't
• 52:08
  Speaker 2: know how you can if like the criteria is being met.
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: If the criteria is not being met, and we're in
• 52:18
  Speaker 2: you know, season's over, so mid January hopefully hopefully third
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: week of January, and we're not hearing anything, or Ryan
• 52:27
  Speaker 2: Day's out there sort of like giving a stamp of
• 52:29
  Speaker 2: approval or there's no change, like we're fine, then I
• 52:32
  Speaker 2: think it's time to ask that. But we haven't reached
• 52:35
  Speaker 2: Billy Davis territory yet. You know, this is fries what
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: third season recruiting up until this year has been not great,
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: not terrible. You can't just fire a coach every year
• 52:50
  Speaker 2: that becomes That creates more problems. You get into you
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: to a cycle of just having bad like one year rollovers.
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: You you come to a point where you get to
• 52:59
  Speaker 2: where the high state secondary was a few years ago,
• 53:03
  Speaker 2: when you go Tavor two point zero and grinch and
• 53:07
  Speaker 2: you know you're just rolling guys over. That creates more problems,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: and even having a bad assistant may create But I
• 53:16
  Speaker 2: think it's a fair question. But I think It's more
• 53:18
  Speaker 2: of a question that will be answered here this offseason
• 53:21
  Speaker 2: based on performance here the next three or four months
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: and what Day's mindset is. But I don't think said
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: set a shorter and different way if Ryan Day was
• 53:34
  Speaker 2: if someone else was the head coach and this was
• 53:36
  Speaker 2: Justin friest thirtye I don't think Justin Fry would have
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: been fired by now by anybody, certainly not by Urban,
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: certainly not by Trestle. So but yeah, we'll see in
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: a few months. The line of good this year would
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: show Frey can develop players and someone else on the road.
• 53:55
  Speaker 2: That's an option, I mean as far as maybe get
• 53:58
  Speaker 2: down on the road, but as far as getting other
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: people more involved, I mean, it's an option. I just
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: think I'm going to try and do this without throwing
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: anyone completely under the butts or burning burning coaching contacts.
• 54:18
  Speaker 2: When when a coaching staff has a weak link in recruiting,
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: and I'm not just talking about like like everyone's going
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: to be graded on a curve like like Luke Fickle
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: is a great example. When Luke Fickle was here with
• 54:31
  Speaker 2: like that Trestle staff at the end, the very end,
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: he was like the ace recruiter. He was the man,
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: and Luke is a good recruiter, but he was like
• 54:39
  Speaker 2: the star star recruiter, but he was on a staff
• 54:43
  Speaker 2: of like bad recruiters. When Urban came in and he
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: brings in guys that can recruit, you know, the the
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: Zack Smith of the world, the Stands Raidens of the world,
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: and then obviously into into you know, his next way
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: of the guys. But like when Urban comes in and
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: brings in guys who can recruit, all of a sudden,
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: Fickle's not like Fickle's not like the greatest recruiter ever
• 55:07
  Speaker 2: known a man, He's just kind of one of the
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: other good recruiters on their staff. And so I say
• 55:13
  Speaker 2: that to say, when you have a clear weak link
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: on the coaching staff as a recruiter in the Ohio
• 55:20
  Speaker 2: state's had situations like that in the past, it weighs
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: heavily on the other assistance. They complain about it privately,
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: They don't standing, of course, they're not going to standing publicly.
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: They complain about it privately. They whether it's to other coaches,
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: whether it's to people like me, whether it's to people,
• 55:37
  Speaker 2: whether it's to the head coach. It strains the entire
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: staff because Again, if you've got Mike Rabele having to
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: close Jamarco Jones instead of recruiting, you know, defensive linemen
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: and defensive players. When you have Larry Johnson, who historically
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: never touches like other positions, basically, when you have him
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: having to help you with Isaiah Prince, it creates like resentment,
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: It spreads guy's thin it doesn't go well with the
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: rest of the staff. So that's something you have to
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: think about. Yeah, I mean, so that's that's a question.
• 56:32
  Speaker 2: I can't really like I'm not in the meetings certainly.
• 56:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, I can give you I can ballpark with
• 56:38
  Speaker 2: Ohio States sells kids on but like, I can't tell
• 56:41
  Speaker 2: you what Alabama's meetings look like. I've never been in
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: a meeting with Alabama or anything like that. But I
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: don't think the facilities I think in this day and age,
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: the facilities argument, like we have this big facilities armor.
• 56:57
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna tangent a little bit, but I am going
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: to address I'm addressing the question here, but we had
• 57:04
  Speaker 2: like a ten to fifteen year facilities arms race. I'm
• 57:07
  Speaker 2: not gonna say that's over because there's always gonna be
• 57:09
  Speaker 2: schools out there who think they can kind of put
• 57:11
  Speaker 2: lipstick on a pig and oh, if we just build
• 57:14
  Speaker 2: a gorge facility, it doesn't matter that we haven't put
• 57:16
  Speaker 2: guys in the NFL or you know whatever. But the
• 57:21
  Speaker 2: facility's arms race has I don't say it's dead. I'm
• 57:25
  Speaker 2: gonna say it's cooled off quite a bit. Kids, Once
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: you once you reach a baseline of like, okay, like
• 57:33
  Speaker 2: these facilities are good. They don't have to be like
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: the best. If you're like in the top twenty five,
• 57:42
  Speaker 2: most kids aren't going to base their decision off of that.
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: They're going to look at obviously an IL, but they're
• 57:49
  Speaker 2: gonna look at are you are you competing for championships?
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: Are you building my brand? Like? Is playing here going
• 57:57
  Speaker 2: to build my brand? Is playing here going to help
• 58:05
  Speaker 2: me get to the NFL? And facilities are like at
• 58:09
  Speaker 2: this point, like I think there's again there's like a
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: ten year window where like everyone tried to like shock
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: in all kids with like facilities and water slides and
• 58:17
  Speaker 2: other shit, and it just and now with with that
• 58:20
  Speaker 2: IL especially now like kids are like okay, yeah, you
• 58:23
  Speaker 2: gotta you got a water park or whatever, you got
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: a miniature golf court, whatever, but like, what's my nil package?
• 58:31
  Speaker 2: Who are you sending to the NFL? Are we competing
• 58:34
  Speaker 2: in the playoffs? Like those are the real questions at
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: this point. So like, I don't think that's the thing
• 58:39
  Speaker 2: that like Alabama is winning on again. This is gonna
• 58:44
  Speaker 2: sound vague, but it's it's unfortunate, but it's just it's
• 58:47
  Speaker 2: the truth. I don't know how to make it any
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: more precise. Alabama is selling their ability to develop NFL
• 58:56
  Speaker 2: offensive linemen better than Ohio State and Tennessee. And that's fine, Like, Okay, yeah,
• 59:02
  Speaker 2: you're gonna lose the kids from Georgia. This Alabama and Georgia. Okay,
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: I think everyone, even the most ardent a high state fan,
• 59:08
  Speaker 2: I think, can stomach that to an extent of like, yeah,
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: the five star kid from Atlanta went to Alabama or Georgia,
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: like okay, but when the five star kid from Las
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: Vegas and the five star kids from Charlotte are going
• 59:24
  Speaker 2: to Tennessee, and Tennessee has clearly done a better job
• 59:28
  Speaker 2: of convincing those kids that they'll get them to the
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: NFL when the last thirty years would show that's not true.
• 59:39
  Speaker 2: That's a very big problem. Not to beat the dead
• 59:41
  Speaker 2: horse on that that's a very big problem. Well, I
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: appreciate that. I hope everyone is enjoying this with a
• 59:47
  Speaker 2: little different format. I know Kevin and I will jump
• 59:50
  Speaker 2: on one here probably this week and just you know,
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: do the normal format. But I want to do a
• 59:56
  Speaker 2: live We want to do a live show for a while,
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: and this felt like an appropriate time because of the
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: Twitter discourse yesterday and maybe some points that weren't able
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 2: to be made in a two hundred and fifty character tweet,
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 2: which I know Twitter now has like eight hundred characters
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: or something, but let's be honest. Sorry, Eli, if you're listening,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: you're probably not. But nobody does the Seymour and reads
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 2: the whole tweet. They stop at the cutoff. So this
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: I think was a better platform to kind of have discussions. Yeah,
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, no, nothing, I mean, I don't really have
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 2: much to add there. But you win. You still despite
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 2: all the ways college football is changing has changed, you
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 2: still win by protecting your quarterback and causing duress for
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 2: the opponent's quarterback. Like you still win games on the
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 2: offensive defensive line, And if you can't impact games on
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 2: the offensive defensive line, you're gonna win a national championship
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter how good your skill is. Yeah, I mean
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: that goes kind of back to a lot of what
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 2: I've talked about today, you know, driving home, you're convincing
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: kids of your vision. Tennessee did a better job of that. Yes,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: So I reached out about that the third week of
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 2: July and I was like, you know, I reached out
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 2: to some highste people about that, and I just said like, hey,
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: I didn't get the whole vacation thing, which Day eventually
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: kind of admitted to. Well, I kind of got back
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: was no, there's not going to be a big recruiting weekend,
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: but we're going to bring in some guys who, you know,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 2: kind of more personalized. And that did happen a little bit,
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 2: like they brought in some twenty twenty six guys, some
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 2: key guys there and kind of had some more personalized
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: individual things. But I do think certainly in hindsight, that
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: was a mistake. Now do they get David Sanders on Camp?
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: I mean they still could have hosted David Sanders. I'm
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: sure they tried to host David Sanders. So clearly the
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: Tennessee visit at the end helped tremendously for them. But yeah,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't have I don't have much to
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 2: debate you on that. I think that's that's a fair,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: fair comment. Yeah, I mean, it's the one position where
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 2: I just hate putting it, like even know, like people
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: thought it was crazy, like with Paris Johnson, Like let's
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 2: give Paris a year. Let's not like it's Paris Johnson.
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 2: He's the number three player in America. He's the best
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 2: offensive tackle prospect since we random pace in Ohio and
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 2: all that was true. But it's just such a different
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: beast for offensive linemen, like the body getting to where
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 2: it needs to be, both either whether it's losing weight,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: whether it's putting on weight like David Sanders a pair
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 2: of Shohnson's case putting on weight. There are so many things,
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 2: and then you throw it into the fact like, Okay,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 2: Like if I'm Jeremiah Smith, for example, because he's gonna
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 2: have a great freshman year. If I'm Jeremiah Smith playing
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: in South Florida, I'm going against six foot corners who
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: are track stars every week, every Friday night, I am
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: seeing a physical profile that will somewhat resemble what I'm
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: going to see in the Big ten. If I'm David Sanders,
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: other than maybe a couple of off weeks, there's they'll
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 2: be like, they'll play Uh, they'll play Weddington. I think
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: we think this week they may have even played them.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: They'll play Weddington. They'll he'll get a look there. But
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: most weeks David Sanders is going against kids who are
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: six feet tall, six feet one, two hundred and thirty pounds,
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: probably run five flat forties, may go play Division two
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: ball somewhere. The number of Friday nights that David Sanders
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 2: or Paris Johnson, even playing in a very good league,
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 2: is going against like six two hundred and seventy pounds
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: monsters that run like four six forties are like never
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: like it. Just so there is such an adjustment to
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 2: what you're seeing that even other freshmen don't have, kind
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 2: of as I laid out, like the Jeremiah Smith thing,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 2: like he's going against five eleven six for corners run
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 2: four four four or five forties. Like it's not it's
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 2: a shock, but it's not the same shock that like
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 2: an offensive lineman is going to have. Yeah, I mean, look,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 2: Bama is like notorious and everyone I do this every
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: year in like March, someone will tell me either on
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Twitter on our message board. And I don't say this
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 2: to make fun of them, It just it just kind
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 2: of happens. Like someone will come at me and say,
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 2: what's going on with Alabama? They've only got two or
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: three commitments. I'm like, get back to me and like Thanksgiving.
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 2: Like Alabama recruiting starts in October. Like even with thatn
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 2: IL now it's still kind of like doesn't even start
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: until July. Like some schools are kind of the opposite
• 1:05:34
  Speaker 2: of that. Do I what I would it? Would it
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: be better? Obviously, yes, you would like to see Ohio
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 2: State get the Von Bell, the Jeff Focuda whatever, the
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: late big splash and they get a couple years ago
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: they had a really nice finish, you know, Cayden Curry
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: and there's defensive linemen. But yeah, I mean Ohio State's
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 2: generally us start fast and kind of progressively build through
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 2: the summer, and then generally their class is full and
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 2: they take a couple of big swings at the end
• 1:06:07
  Speaker 2: and if they if they hit them, everyone's really happy,
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 2: and if they miss them, everyone forgets about the first
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 2: twenty kids they landed and remembers the last three they
• 1:06:15
  Speaker 2: didn't to me, Like, I'm a results guy, so like, like,
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 2: whether they get twenty five guys twelve months before signing
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 2: day and don't get anybody else, or whether they don't
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 2: get anybody and then they get twenty five guys from
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 2: October through the middle of December, just line them up
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: at the end and tell me where they stand. Like,
• 1:06:41
  Speaker 2: I don't get as frustrated with that as maybe the
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 2: fans do. But huh, your guess is as good as mine, Charles.
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 2: They're gonna have like it's a total it's a total reshuffle.
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: You know, they're trying to get McFadden. I would imagine
• 1:07:03
  Speaker 2: they're going to rekick some tires. Here's here's the problem,
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 2: and here's what here's and again this this is not
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: this is the opposite of damage control. So I don't know,
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: like some people weren't. I don't think reading my words
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: correctly yesterday. This is the this is the opposite of
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 2: damage control. When you miss on David Sanders and you've
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: already missed on Douglas U two and you're not able
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: to get into the game with Michael FASUSI like your
• 1:07:34
  Speaker 2: options at that point, like I mentioned this earlier, So Charles,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you were on at the very beginning,
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 2: Like there's no Plan B for David Sanders, there's no
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 2: Plan B for Jeremiah Smith. Like, you either get those
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 2: guys or you don't. And if you don't, like you're
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 2: you're in the three star plan B plan seapool because
• 1:07:53
  Speaker 2: all the four star guys you've either already landed or
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: they've committed somewhere else and you're gonna have to try
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 2: and flip them now. So, like I said it on
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: twitterid like this is a total reshuffle. You need to
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: double back on guys that maybe were close to being
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: takes that weren't. You need to double back on guys
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: who have committed elsewhere that you wanted to take and
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: you just didn't get them, and see if maybe they've
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 2: had a change of heart worth or keep an eye
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: on that the next two to three months as the
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 2: coaching carousel goes crazy, try and see if there's changes
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: of heart there. That's and then again, Senior Film, I
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 2: think some high school seasons have started like they've played
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 2: maybe a game, but most seasons will have kicked off
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 2: by like next weekend. So immediately like with Huddle. Now,
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 2: like kid's film is up. If a kid plays Friday
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 2: night by like ten am Saturday morning, you're gonna be
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 2: able to watch this film in almost every case, so immediately,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 2: like and this is where like Mark Pantoni and his
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: whole staff, under all people on that whole vertical, this
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: is where they come in big. They've got to because
• 1:08:59
  Speaker 2: Justin frot I, regardless of your criticism, Justin Fry, Justin
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 2: Fry cannot coach his offensive line through fall camp and
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 2: watch like five hundred offensive line films on Huddle. So
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: like now like Pantoni's group's gonna come in and they're
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 2: gonna watch hundreds of offensive linemen and they're gonna elevate the
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: ones to Fry that he needs to watch. And that's
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 2: how that's how the next few weeks are gonna go.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 2: Like I said, I wish I could sit here like,
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, here's a list of five or six guys
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 2: at one thousand percent or the next. But like when
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: you miss on David Sanders, there's not a play. There's
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 2: only one David Sanders. There's not two. There's not even
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 2: two David Sanders in this class national there's one David Sanders,
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 2: there's one Jeremiah Smith. So I no, I agree with that.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: I think that's fair. Like, I don't think I think
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: you said it perfectly. Actually, I think it's not about
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 2: the it's not a out like the glitz and like
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 2: all the shiny cool things, and yeah, it's it's about
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: are you getting them to your campus to spend one
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: on one time with them? Are you getting them around
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: class potential classmates, to build those relationships. Get Tavian Saint
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 2: Clair in there and get them going doing his thing.
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: That's the important part. Whether it's barbecue or whiffleball or
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 2: water park or minigo what it doesn't that that's kind
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: of irrelevant. It's just getting them around and feeling comfortable
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: with your campus, feeling comfortable with your program. Yeah, I
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 2: mean Chris Henry committed at at their I think it was.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 2: I think that was the I think that was the
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 2: infant Kevin. Kevin's in here pushing questions through, but yeah,
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: that was I say, that's the whiffleball, right yep. Yeah,
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: so yeah, I mean I think a late July event
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: makes a lot of sense. It doesn't matter what it is.
• 1:11:06
  Speaker 2: The Friday night lights thing kind of ran its course.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: Kids aren't camping with official visits in June. Kids aren't
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: camping at the end of July. And even like the underclassmen,
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 2: could you turn that into like an underclassman deal or
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: it's just like all young guys, you could, but by
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: the end of July now like a lot of guys
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 2: are like locked in on their high school seasons. It
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 2: just becomes like the landscape has changed. So you kind
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: of had to like the camp thing. The whole Friday
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: Night lights camp thing I think had run its course.
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there's the event thing is is great. I
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 2: mean they had They had a lot of their twenty
• 1:11:45
  Speaker 2: six is on campus together it girls last year, so yeah,
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 2: I agree. Okay, there's one there about the centers, Like
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 2: the center has been good, but offensive tackle I can't
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 2: see when we see the whole thing here push that
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 2: there we go. Yeah, very good center talent as of recently.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 2: But as far as, oh to your guard depth, we
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 2: have been severely under recruiting and therefore and perform which
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: acceptable five star left though tier wins games. Well, I
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 2: certainly can't disagree with not having enough tackle depth. I
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: certainly can't disagree with having franchise left tackles being a
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 2: good thing. Yeah, I mean here, so it's easier to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 2: have interior depth. I will say this, while I agree
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: with you kind of the past a couple of years
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: on guard. I think this year they have interior depth.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 2: I think they have a lot of it. I think
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: Austin Seervel is going to be a very good player
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 2: at Ohio State. Not to pat myself on the back,
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 2: I've been screaming for like four years now that tegra
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: is a guard, not a tackle, So that's helped Hensman's
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: now a guard, which is what he played in high school,
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: so that's helping Luke Montgomery. Like they have guard depth now,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 2: I would agree in years past, certainly, like last year,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 2: maybe in the year before, their guard depth was not
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: good at all. So there were several certain you know,
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: from recruiting misses to you know, Harry Miller's retirement and
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: his situation, Like there's a lot of things that kind
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: of went into that. But I agree with that, but
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: I do think the guard depth has changed now. It's
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 2: kind of inexcusable to not have center and guard depth
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 2: because you can you can recruit, so you can recruit
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 2: all offensive tackles. Say you could recruit all just only
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: offensive tackles because you can always move tackles to guard
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: and sometimes center too, but you can always bump tackles in.
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 2: So if you're recruiting good tackle bodies, you should naturally,
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 2: even if you don't have depth of tackle, you should
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: naturally find yourself with depth inside. But you know, I
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: I agree. I mean the depth hasn't been there and
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 2: it needs to change. Throw up, throw up the Sanders thing,
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 2: throw up the yes. Yeah, I've acknowledged. This is what
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: Tennessee offered. But I'm telling you that Ohio State was
• 1:14:56
  Speaker 2: going to match that. I'm telling you that Ohio State
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 2: was competitive with their nil offer. I'm telling you he
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 2: would have got seven figures at Ohio State. I'm telling
• 1:15:08
  Speaker 2: you that all the people at Ohio State that always
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: complain whenever they lose a kid about nil are not
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 2: saying that. I'm telling you that preemptively. All those people
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 2: who say that were telling me they weren't going to
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: lose this one over nil. This was not an NIL loss.
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 2: That's become the go to de facto excuse whenever a
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: school loses a kid is nil. They did not lose
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: David Sanders over nil. Now, I'm not going to call
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: it David Sanders a mama's boy, but I won thousand
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: percent agree that geography helped Tennessee. It's initially why I
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 2: was the last one to the party on David Sanders.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: I spent the first year telling everyone not to worry
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 2: about David Sanders. They weren't going to get him. Now
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 2: April May June kind of changed my stance because they
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: kept getting him back on campus and we spent some
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 2: time with David at his school and just things had
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 2: one a the people at Ohio State who are even
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: telling me this is a pipe dream, We're like, no,
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 2: We're in this one now, Like so you know, in
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: the end wrong, but like I agree with you, geography
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: helped Tennessee. But this was two problems. This was geography,
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: and this was Tennessee doing a better job of selling
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 2: David Sanders on their offensive line development, on their plan
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: for him on the field than Ohio State. And that
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: part is kind of a geography thing, is what it is.
• 1:16:28
  Speaker 2: But the part of the part where you know Tennessee
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 2: did a better job of selling David on the plan
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 2: is just it's kind of Cringey. It's a great game
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: day environment. I you know, I don't, but again I
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: don't think I think it kind of goes into the
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 2: facilities category of like, if you've got a really good
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: game day environment, that's just there's like a baseline you
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: need to have in certainly Ohio State has that. But
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 2: like decisions aren't made of like, well, I think this
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 2: school's got the best game day environment, and this was
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 2: only got like the third or fourth best game day environment,
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 2: So I'm going to this school. It's like, well, that's
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 2: not a huge factor, but no, no doubt. I mean,
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 2: my uncle lives in Knoxville, you know, so I I'm
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 2: probably more familiar with the Tennessee football program than I
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 2: should be. But yeah, it's it's a great environment. But
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 2: I don't think that was a huge factor in what
• 1:17:39
  Speaker 2: David did. Yeah, I don't think that's true. Yeah I
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: I I certainly haven't been told that. So unless maybe
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 2: maybe he's got a new girlfriend, maybe he found a
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 2: girlfriend on that last week in July. That wouldn't be
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 2: the first time that ever happened in the history of recruiting.
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 2: We wasted far too much time and and I also
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: aside an hower up the cruise backup plan. Again, I
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: will say, like, there's no backup plan for David Sanders,
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: there's no backup plan for Jaremi Smith. Like it's hard,
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 2: you know. I Again, if you want to say they
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 2: should have offered ten or fifteen more kids, that's fine,
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 2: But the kind of the reality is as you kind
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: of go look, if you go, like look through their
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: offer lists, I'll bring one up on my screen just
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 2: to so I can read these off to you. So
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 2: I'm not just flailing here trying to remember all the names.
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 2: But like, if you look at their offensive tackle offer list,
• 1:18:54
  Speaker 2: so you've got Douglas, you two, they were not holding
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: off Douglas who too, They were not holding off Ty Haywood.
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 2: They were not holding off Braden Jacobs, Mason Short like
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: Michael Fasousi. Like, it's not like they were like, oh,
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 2: let's not worry about those guys, let's put all our
• 1:19:23
  Speaker 2: chips on it. Like they just they missed on all
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 2: those guys too, like and that's again, that's not damage control.
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 2: That's more damning than saying, yeah, they just you know,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: they just put all the REGs in one basket. That's
• 1:19:34
  Speaker 2: damage control. What's not damage control, saying, well, it only
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 2: feels like they did that because they've already missed on
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 2: all the other guys they wanted, with the exception of course,
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 2: of Carter low who, by the way, I feel like
• 1:19:46
  Speaker 2: obligated to say this, let's whatever we do with Fry
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: and o line recruiting, let's appreciate Carter low for a minute.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: This is a top fifty prospect possibly you know, some
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 2: people happened as a five star. I would not disagree
• 1:19:58
  Speaker 2: with that. Let's at least make sure we don't disrespect
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: Carter Lowe and all of this because he's he's a
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: future like franchise tackle too, So let's, uh, let's make
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 2: sure we don't forget he's there. Do you think Jamie Atkins, I,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 2: I mean, I think everyone deserves a second look at
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 2: this point, but I think I think Green is probably
• 1:20:22
  Speaker 2: a guard. You know, the guys, the guys that are
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 2: interesting to me from that list for Ohio State, Nolan
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 2: Davenport's guy kind of liked is like a top twenty
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 2: player in Ohio. You know, he's he's put on a
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: lot of weight, which he needed to do, but you
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 2: never know how that's gonna go. Like sometimes guys put
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 2: on a ton of weight and it doesn't matter, like
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 2: they're still they're still athletic because he was a tight
• 1:20:46
  Speaker 2: end at one point. And then sometimes guys put on
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 2: weight they have to put on to play the position,
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: but they lose a little bit of flexibility, a little
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 2: bit of a little bit of agility, and so they
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: can't really play tackle anymore. They played guard. Like has
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: that happened with Davenport. I don't know, but yeah, like
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 2: I like Nolan and the guy I like as like
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: a definite tackle from from your list, there is Jamil Atkins.
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 2: It's like six seven, like three hundred punds, like, can move,
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 2: plays basketball. I think that's the guy I would take
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: a close look at. I'm actually surprised his recruitment didn't
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 2: go a little more crazy, just because of the need
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: for offensive tackles out there. He kind of fits the profile.
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: I'm surprised he didn't maybe get more big offers. He's
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: also a very quiet kid. I don't know how much
• 1:21:40
  Speaker 2: he really did visits and stuff. He kind of keeps
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 2: to himself, so I don't know if that made some
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 2: schools nervous. Everyone wants he's like type a's and like
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 2: when you meet a type B, like college coaches like
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: don't like they in their minds. What's they can't wrap
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 2: their brains around a type B being a good football player.
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 2: I've seen I've seen them pass on kids over this
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 2: a lot. So I don't know if that has that
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: impact that his recruitment at all. But that's a guy
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 2: I would be looking very closely at you think chars
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 2: Bentley would join the staff to development so far I
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 2: can focus more recruiting. I don't see why he wouldn't. Yeah,
• 1:22:21
  Speaker 2: and Kevin so now, yeah, I mean what what Kevin
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 2: is saying here is a valid point. I kind of
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 2: have a I think to what the question was. I
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 2: think there would be a workaround. But yeah, so they
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: had that dreaded. I'm sorry, Like, if if you have
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: ptsdu over some of this stuff, you can mute me
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: for like two minutes. I got that dreaded. Uh, Tommy Brown,
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 2: Chris Carter, it's it Underwood and missing somebody? Who's the
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 2: kid from Uh? I'm missing another one? Bo Beek? No,
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: it's another ohio kay? I thought anyway, Yeah, they had
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 2: bo Beck wasn't really in the Charles I don't think. Yes, no,
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: not Tommy Ferris, Tommy Brown, Chase Ferris, that was a
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 2: different one, but it was Tommy Brown, Chris Carter think
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: Antony May was just those three and they offered and
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: took all those kids early. They were all working with
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: Charles Bentley up in Northeast Ohio and he recommended them
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 2: to Bowman Bolman. Just yep, whatever you say, offered took
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 2: them all early. Everyone knew they couldn't play. Everyone said
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: at the time, we said it as nicely as we
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: could at the time, these guys aren't Ohio State good.
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 2: That turned out to be, unfortunately, very correct, And yes,
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: La Charles was kind of working those guys out in
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: Northeast Ohio. That being said, the scenario laid out there
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: wasn't l Charles shopping for the groceries. And let's be
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 2: honest here, when you run something like that, when you're
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 2: training guys, your livelihood kind of depends on getting those
• 1:24:15
  Speaker 2: kids noticed by colleges. Like people are paying you to
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 2: they're paying you to train them, but they're kind of
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 2: paying you to advocate for them as well. So you
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: benefit tremendously if you can get your guys who pay
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 2: you to train them to go to Ohio State or
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: Notrebame or michip whatever. If you would take that out
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 2: of the equation, and now he doesn't have an O
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 2: line academy that he's focused, if he's just if his
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: job is just developing Ohio State football players. I think
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: that takes a lot of the BS out of it,
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 2: and so you know that it becomes more viable at
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 2: that point. But you know, I don't know, I don't
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 2: know if that's been a goushion or anything. You know,
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 2: why only twenty nine, Yeah, I've got it, like thirty
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: or thirty one. But yeah, that's semantics. Well, I mean, yeah,
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: that's a question we've talked about. Should they have offered
• 1:25:15
  Speaker 2: ten or fifteen more, Would those ten or fifteen more
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: offers be committable? Probably not? Did out you know Alabama's Yes,
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 2: Alabama's offered forty five fifty whatever it is. But Alabama
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 2: didn't need to go forty fifty deep on their board.
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: They went like five deep on their they got they
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 2: got three of probably their top four or five players
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: on their board. So I go back to the root
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 2: of this, which is if you can't if you offer
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 2: twenty eight out of state players and you get zero
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 2: of them. I just think there are five or six
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: other questions that are the most important questions that to
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 2: ask an answer before we get to a wide Shaw offer.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 2: You know you missed on twenty eight. Wind's yawfer thirty
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: eight or forty eight, like you've already missed on twenty eight.
• 1:25:59
  Speaker 2: Like that. That is the That is the real that's
• 1:26:02
  Speaker 2: the problem. But twenty nine, I mean, you know, it's
• 1:26:06
  Speaker 2: not a great year in Ohio. Twenty six is so
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 2: they've already offered more Ohio kids in twenty six than
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: in twenty five. They weren't gonna and this this changes
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: I think now, Like again we've talked with this a
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: little bit. Eighty five to one oh five scholarship limit
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 2: I think maybe changes some math for people. But when
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 2: they initially started the cycle, I think people know they're
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: gonna take like six. They're not gonna take six. The
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 2: quality of twenty six, the need for probably a portal
• 1:26:44
  Speaker 2: body after this offseason, and the relative quality depth on
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: the interior of the offensive line right now did not
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: warrant taking like six when you had eighty five scholarships.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 2: What what I figured and when I was kind of
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: told they were going to do is take like four
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 2: and then maybe go in the portal after the season
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 2: for like a fifth. So they were never going to
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 2: take like six or seven off. Now next year they
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: shook that actually takes seven. I think I actually take
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: seven or eight. If they can't that convincing that many
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: is probably a separate issue, but so you know, I
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 2: think it was a combination of what they were going
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: to take Ohio, what they've how they perceived Ohio in
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: the surrounding states. And again they've just they've missed on
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: I just did the tackles, like I just went through
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: the tackles. I want boor you guys adad, and they missed
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 2: on Avery Gatch. I mean, they've missed on a lot
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: of players. So now when they miss on Sanders, it
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: looks like, oh, they waited and waited and waited for
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 2: Sanders and did nothing in the meantime. Like, no, they
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: just they missed on all those guys too. Sanders was
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 2: just kind of the last I'm an to fall and
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: now they've missed on him too. Like it's a that
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 2: was a fitting because that's kind of mean, but like
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: it's it's a it's an ironic finish to a three
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 2: month period where they've basically struck out. So you know,
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 2: that's that's just kind of the reality of the situation.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, you can I'm not sugarcoating. I'm not. I
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: don't think I'm being over the top critical either. I
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: just I think it's just the reality. Their recruiting class
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: is still what second, first or second in the country
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 2: depending on who you ask. They are about to in
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: a year where they absolutely had to reload on defense.
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: They're about to sign, in my opinion, the best defensive
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 2: class in the country. Their quarterback is the number one
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: recruit in America. Now there's uh and oh, by the way, like,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 2: you guys haven't had a bad season in like twenty years,
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: so you got that going for you, got a lot
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 2: of things going for you. It's gonna be okay. You
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: guys are like that, you know, I don't Maybe the
• 1:29:07
  Speaker 2: Pittsburgh Steelers are a bad example now since as an
• 1:29:10
  Speaker 2: Eagles fan, have to get this jab and they haven't
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: want a playoff game in like eight years, But you
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 2: guys are kind of like what the Steelers were from
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: like nineteen eighty to twenty ten. You might not win
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: a super Bowl every year, but you're you're freaking in
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: the playoffs every year. So you guys are okay, You're
• 1:29:25
  Speaker 2: doing okay. Anything else. Stud offered Dewan Jones at the
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: very end of the cycle, after he had struck out
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 2: on a whole bunch of other players, at the recommendation
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: of Kevin Wilson, who recruited is Indianapolis for Ohio State.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 2: Sure he got the wan Jones, so certainly possible he
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 2: ends up elsewhere. Not a done deal yet. So I
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 2: was asked this on the chat maybe a couple of
• 1:30:16
  Speaker 2: weeks ago, and what I said on the board was,
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: I'm not counting him out yet. But if you sit
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 2: here today and you ask me, like, OHI he's gonna
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: lose one commitment from this class, It's gonna happen. There's
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 2: nothing you can do to stop it. It's happening. Who
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 2: do you think is the most likely player that would
• 1:30:39
  Speaker 2: fit that bill. I think it's probably mathis obviously Penn
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 2: State's continuing to try and keep him somewhat close to home.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: There has been some speculation, and I always hate this
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: because I can't see transcripts, you know, I can only
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 2: go off what people are saying, so I want to
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: frame this his pure speculation. At this point, there's been
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 2: a little speculation that he's got to make sure he
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 2: stays on the books here as he closes out his
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 2: high school career. That's something to monitor. So we'll see.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 2: I think, if nothing else to keephim away from Penn State,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: I think I don't think there's gonna let him go
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: put it that way without a fight. I think they've
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: got a decent chance of keeping him. But yeah, I
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 2: think that's he's definitely for me. If again, if you
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: ask me, like, okay, who's one guy, who's the first
• 1:31:41
  Speaker 2: guy comes to your mind of they could lose this
• 1:31:44
  Speaker 2: guy between now inside day's probably a here. I think
• 1:32:00
  Speaker 2: generally speaking, the offer is the offer for like, I
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 2: think I just got a little bit of wiggle room
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 2: with some of this stuff. But I don't think like
• 1:32:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think they get too much in the game
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 2: of like we're offering you this and then we're offering
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 2: you that. Oh no, no, no, we're gonna offer you this.
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's generally of you get put in like
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 2: one of two buckets, so like bucket one is this
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 2: is what your value is to us, and like that's it,
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: Like that's take it or leave it, or like hey,
• 1:32:33
  Speaker 2: we're gonna take care of this, just let us know.
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: And that's kind of like the Jeremiah Smith David Sanders bucket.
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: So I don't know that there's like this huge constant
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: back and forth of like they're constantly upping the ani
• 1:32:53
  Speaker 2: on these guys. I don't think a lot of those
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: guys work that way. But do you think Bella's commit
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 2: could be I so I've again, if you're on site,
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: if you're on site, I have for a while felt
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 2: they could get they could get Philip Bell. My question
• 1:33:12
  Speaker 2: has always been, is Philip Bell right at the top
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 2: of the wish list with guys like you know, to
• 1:33:21
  Speaker 2: Corey Moore obviously Jamie French, those types of got Vernil Brown.
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: And my instinct at times is at Ohio State has
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: not been sure. And now that I think some of
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 2: these other pieces have come together, some of these moves
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 2: have played out, I think it's very possible, if not
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 2: most likely, that he is. But we'll see. The one
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: thing I always am a little skeptical of is has
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: Philip got the vibe that they're unsure? Because if if
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 2: that's happened with Philip. That throws things off a little bit.
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 2: But as long as they've been consistent in communicating with Philip,
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: which I think they have, yeah, very gettable. What else
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: we got I think there's oh boy, Yeah, I initially
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: thought twenty six, twenty seven for the class. Then the
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: one oh five thing came through, and it's like, well,
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: you're gonna add a maybe a couple for that, which
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 2: I think they've already baked in, Like I think they've
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 2: already taken a couple guys knowing like we're gonna take
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: this guy no matter what, we're still gonna recruit like
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 2: Bod Miller, like for example, is a good example of that.
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 2: Like they really like him. I'm not saying he's just
• 1:34:57
  Speaker 2: like a you know, some Plan C guy. They really
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 2: like him, but they weren't going to fill like a
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: spot with him as far as like they weren't going
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 2: to be Well, now we got him, we don't need
• 1:35:12
  Speaker 2: Jamie French Philip el Decoran, like we don't need to
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: do that, Like no, that's just like we're taking him
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 2: as like one of our extras to slowly get to
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 2: this one oh five and we'll still all the other
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 2: guys who previously had spots before bod committed still have
• 1:35:26
  Speaker 2: a spot. I think Jay Cook is the same thing.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: Anyone that had a spot previous to Jay Cook still
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: has a spot. He didn't take anybody's spot. This was
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 2: kind of, Hey, we gotta we gotta get some more
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: bodies here, because, as I mentioned earlier, it's going to
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 2: be very interesting the next three years to see how
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 2: teams get to one oh five. Because one way I
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 2: don't think you can do this, Glad see Alabama or
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 2: Georgia try to prove me wrong on this is I
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: don't think you can take forty five kids instead of
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 2: twenty five kids and be like, oh, we're we're now,
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: Because that's a great way to have thirty five kids
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: from your freshman class hit the transfer portal after their
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: first year, and now you're forty five below again the
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: scholarship total, you're gonna have to gradually get the one
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: oh five, like you're gonna you're gonna have to like
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: five five extra a year for like three cycles get
• 1:36:19
  Speaker 2: to one oh five, while probably giving some walk ons
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 2: scholarships in the meantime, like senior walk on scholarships in
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: the meantime for guys that have earned it, as opposed
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 2: to just like snapping your fingers, taking forty five guys
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 2: in one class. That's just terrible for roster balance. It's
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 2: not gonna work. So that's gonna be interesting to see
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: which how teams figure that out. And quite frankly, unless
• 1:36:43
  Speaker 2: I'm I've missed something in the reports or I've you know,
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: my my understanding is that this is like kind of
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 2: a eighty five one day. Oh now we're at one
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 2: o five. What I think should have been done is, Okay,
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 2: we're at eighty five and twenty twenty four. You could
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: have ninety and twenty five, ninety five and twenty six,
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 2: one hundred and twenty seven, and by twenty eight or
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 2: at one hundred and five and then we're one hundred
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: and five. I think that would have been better for
• 1:37:12
  Speaker 2: pretty much everyone involved, because if you're if you're Ohio State,
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 2: you can't get twenty five right away because you're gonna
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 2: take forty five kids. Ten of them probably can't play
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: for you anyway. They're all gonna transfer out after the
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 2: first year because they're gonna be so far down the
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 2: depth chart, like it's not workable. If you're like a
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: financially constricted program, like if your Kent State, you can't
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: just add twenty scholarships to your roster overnight. You barely
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 2: can pay for eighty five. Like there's probably years you're
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 2: happy if you breakfall camp with seventy five because you
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 2: don't have to pay ten other scholarship. Like, so, I
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: don't know how that's. My understanding is it's just gonna
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: be a clean like we're eighty five now and then
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 2: tomorrow we're at one of five. But I really think
• 1:37:56
  Speaker 2: they should have I really think that should have been
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 2: thought out a little bit more clearly if they were
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: going to do that. Yeah, that's a whole that's probably
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 2: above my my pay grade and my education level. The
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 2: one thing I would say is like, okay, so high.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 2: I say, tuition is skyrocketed since I was there, like
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 2: fifteen twenty years ago. But you know, let's just use
• 1:38:30
  Speaker 2: an even I don't know what tuition is now. It's
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: a lot, but you know, let's say tuition's thirty thousand
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: dollars a year. You're not if you're the school, like
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 2: you're not really paying thirty thousand dollars a year per
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: It's not like you're like paying for it. You're just
• 1:38:49
  Speaker 2: kind of it's being subsidized by like all the kids
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: who are paying is like the general like, so like
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 2: it's not like you're writing a check to yourself or
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 2: to like you're not like cutting a check for thirty
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 2: thousand dollars for each scholarship athlete. So it's not quite there.
• 1:39:13
  Speaker 2: It's a little more complex than that. But yeah, like
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: for Ohio State, I mean, High State's essentially a billion
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 2: dollar corporation and let's call it what it is at
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 2: this point, Like that's not gonna be a problem. And
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: you may see like a men's diving team or you know,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: you may see a sport you know, let's go away.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's probably gonna happen. High State's trying very
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 2: hard not to. But you're seeing it at other schools.
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: So some some schools are gonna cut the non rev
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 2: some non rev sports to get there. And then again,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 2: like I hate to beat on Kent State, but I
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 2: don't know how Kent State's gonna do that. I don't.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 2: I can, I can I can make a case for
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 2: why this would actually help them in terms of having
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 2: more bodies that around that aren't going to just up
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: and leave for the transfer portal, but I don't know where,
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: like financially, like I go up there every now and then,
• 1:40:10
  Speaker 2: and like I don't exaggerate when I tell you that
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 2: Kent State has worse facilities in Massline, Washington. Kent State
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 2: has worse facilities than Carrollton, Georgia. Kent Stay has worst
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 2: facilities and probably what Kevin maybe one hundred Texas high
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 2: schools if not more. You know where they're going to
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 2: figure this out. I don't know, Like I like I say,
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 2: I say this jokingly, but it's kind of true. Like
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 2: walking into Kent State's facility and walking into like Dublin
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 2: Kaufin's facility, It's like the exact same, not much difference.
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 2: So I don't know where a program like that figures
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: us out. Probably cutting sports is probably the unfortunate answer. Well,
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 2: I mean that's certainly uh, if you're a high state fans,
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 2: certainly the hope. My response to that would be why
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: not both? Why not have Sanders at left and low
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: it right? But well, excuse me, I've been holding that
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: one off for ten minutes. Yeah, so I would uh,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: you know, you hope. So we'll see what's Robert I
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 2: like the Robert Howard it might be a good place
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: to go there. Yeah. Yeah, And that that goes back
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 2: to what we talked about the beginning of the show.
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: You know, the criteria is finishing twenty five O line
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 2: play the next four months five months, and do not
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: sit here on January first and not have any oline
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 2: commitments in twenty six, Not with three in state offers,
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: Not with Doron Parks, who essentially considers himself an Ohio kid.
• 1:42:15
  Speaker 2: Not with Champ Smith. Who you lead for That's not
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 2: a guest, that's Champ telling me both on and off
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: the record of live dates from the driver's seat, you know,
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: not for Ianacho who you're in. I mean, I don't
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: know if you lead, but boy, are you in that?
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 2: Like you cannot come to Ryan Day on January first
• 1:42:36
  Speaker 2: and be like, yeah, sorry, Ryan, I haven't got any
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 2: oh line commits yet. If OSU ends with two O
• 1:42:48
  Speaker 2: linemen in twenty five and the offensive line isn't like
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: a major major like top two or three, reason why
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: Ohio State's winning an or winning or competing for national championship. Yeah,
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: I don't think you can, and I don't think they will. Yeah,
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 2: I see, I will throw up what Christopher saying about Sanders,
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 2: just because I know he's mentioned a couple of times.
• 1:43:23
  Speaker 2: Oh well, that that one's too, we can I was
• 1:43:25
  Speaker 2: talking about the Sander, but that this one's good too. Yes,
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 2: Emmanuel Ianacho is one thousand percent interested in Ohio state.
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 2: And you know, are they leading? If you told me
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 2: you thought you think Hi Stet's leading, I'm not going
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 2: to really argue with you, but they're you know, they're
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: in the top two or three. I mean they're up there,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 2: very very high, one thousand percent. But yeah, he said
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: about Yeah, I have so rarely watched an offensive lineman
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: run like a tight end at like two hundred and
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 2: eighty pounds. And Sanders is he's a unicorn. He could, Uh,
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 2: he's so tall and long you kind of wonder where
• 1:44:05
  Speaker 2: where else it might work. But if you like kept
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 2: his weight down, he could probably be like a like
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 2: a who's the big kid for Georgia Darnell Washington. He
• 1:44:14
  Speaker 2: could kind of be that, And yeah, he could play
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 2: the end. Yeah it could. So the short answer is
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 2: kind of yes, let me if you're not on the board,
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: you've never heard of you're on the board. Sorry, you're
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 2: gonna hear this again. What I've been saying for a
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 2: couple of years now, really since the beginning of NIL,
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 2: and I think it's only been reinforced by what we've
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 2: seen in the last couple of years. Eventually, there's not
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: really gonna be ANIL. Eventually the schools are gonna directly
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 2: pay the players. Like whether that encompasses them being employees
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 2: or contract I don't know. I can't sit here. I'm
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 2: not a lawyer, and you know I'm not gonna sit here
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 2: and give you the entire structure of how it may
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: come together. But what I can tell you is that
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 2: we are moving very quickly within the next I think
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: three to five years toward the money flowing directly from
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: the school to the player and essentially the the collectives.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: I don't think the collectives will will vanish. I think
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 2: the collectives will probably just take on some type of
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 2: different fundraising role in some capacity. But that's that's where
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: this is heading, and that's where all the coaches tell
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 2: me it's heading. So I think that's basically answering your question.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: But when that happens, yes, I think that there will
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: be some type of of limit on that. And what
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 2: that's going to be. I don't know. They could go
• 1:46:03
  Speaker 2: like full NHL and do like a salary floor, Like
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 2: if you're gonna be in Division one, you need to
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 2: pay this much to your talent if you're with you know,
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 2: with a floor and a cap. I'm not sure exactly
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 2: what it's going to look like, but you know, yeah,
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 2: I think eventually, uh you know it is what it is. Yeah,
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 2: and I think, you know, look again, as I kind
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 2: of mentioned before, he can't call Champ, So what he
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 2: has been able to call Champ like in the summer,
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: you can't. You can't do that with twenty six? Is
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 2: he needs? But what needs to be happening if it's not?
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 2: And I talk to Champ a lot, so I've got
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 2: a I've got a good pulse on that one. Like
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 2: that's like I'd like to sit here and say, like
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 2: you've got we'd all like to sit here like all this,
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 2: do this. We've got the exact same insight in every
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: kid O High States recruiting. It's not always true like
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: some kids you're in better with an other's. Champ would
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: be like very much towards the top of my list
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: as far as guys that I have the pulse on.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: But yeah, you have to be more aggressive, like during
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 2: the time when you're before you're allowed to actually call
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 2: these guys. You need to be calling the high school coach.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: You need to be telling the high school coach. I
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 2: need to talk to Champ Johnny whoever, when can you
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: bring them in to your office after school, before school,
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 2: study hall, lunch break, whatever, And I need fifteen minutes
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: on fune with this guy. If that's not happening in
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: mass across the Ohio state staff for twenty twenty six,
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: if that hasn't been happening, you know, in the spring,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 2: or you call a coach on a cell phone, be like, hey,
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 2: you guys have weightlifting this morning. When weightlifting is over,
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 2: I'm calling your cell phone and you're can you put
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 2: Champ on? Like that's this is not hard, It's not
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 2: hard to get around like I don't have time for
• 1:47:52
  Speaker 2: the excuses of well we can't contact the underclassmen. Well
• 1:47:58
  Speaker 2: yes you can. You just can't call theirself all phone
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 2: not not although other schools are doing that, but you can't. Okay,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: you want to play by the roles, fine, call the
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 2: high school coach, text the high school coach. Set something
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: up it's not it's not hard. There's really no excuse
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: for it. Yeah, and you know it felt like he
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: was trending heavily toward an offer. Uh offer obviously leaves
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 2: my My instinct on that is that Lachlan wants to
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: see a few a few games of junior film. But
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: that's when you're a new coach at a new place.
• 1:48:50
  Speaker 2: You know you're coming across the country and we're talking
• 1:48:53
  Speaker 2: about offering local talent. I think you're going to be
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: a little slow naturally, because the last thing you want
• 1:49:01
  Speaker 2: to do is come in and just blow up local recruiting.
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: The first three months, like make mistakes, offer kids you shouldn't,
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: don't offer kids that you should ruin relationships with coaches,
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 2: kids like I think there's I think the first few
• 1:49:16
  Speaker 2: months on a new job like this, especially at this
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 2: type of place, you're like, you want to get comfortable
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 2: with what the landscape is. So I think again with
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: twenty six, let's not get nuts on twenty six. Yet
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: these kids have not played a down of their junior seasons.
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: And you're Ohio state. Let's remember your Ohio state for
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 2: a second. You're not Kent, you're not acron you're not Louisville,
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 2: You're at Cincinnati, you're O High State, you're recruiting the
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 2: best players in America. You don't you may not know
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 2: who they are before their junior season. Like, guys get
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: a lot better sophomore in junior year, a lot better.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 2: There's a lot of guys who we don't even talk
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 2: about right now, who didn't play varsity las year, who
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: were going to emerge as like fifty offer kids this year.
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 2: So let's let's see, Like, let's at least give it
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 2: till the end of September. Let's let these guys play
• 1:50:04
  Speaker 2: five six games of their high school junior year. That way,
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 2: Ohio c has obviously evaluated them at that point their
• 1:50:10
  Speaker 2: junior film. There's no excuse anymore. You see what you're seeing,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: and then let's see where they're at, and let's see, like, okay,
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: are they are they offering enough guys? What are they
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: missing on some guy? Like, let's at least let the
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 2: junior seasons kick off. It's not a it's not a
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 2: denial of anything that you're saying. It's not denial of
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 2: anything anyone's saying as far as offers. But let's like,
• 1:50:34
  Speaker 2: I know patience is like not a thing anymore. But like,
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: let's let's at least for twenty six, let's at least
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 2: see where things are at in like September thirtieth. Can
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: we do that? Yeah? Just cheeseburgers, That's all it was, right.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know what that is. Is that a defensive Michigan.
• 1:51:06
  Speaker 2: I don't. It's either a defensive Michigan or it's amazing
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: sarcasm one or the other. I'm not sure. And to me,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: that's gonna be a cool thing, an interesting thing at
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 2: least to watch the next four or five years is
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 2: how again we know the endgame is that the money's
• 1:51:32
  Speaker 2: gonna flow from school to player directly versus indirectly now
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 2: through the collectives. The cool part, or the interesting part,
• 1:51:43
  Speaker 2: maybe not cool for some of you. The interesting part
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 2: is going to be how they arrive at that, what
• 1:51:48
  Speaker 2: the system actually looks like. Because the devil, of course,
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 2: as you guys know, the devil's in the details. So
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 2: we know what the end game is going to be,
• 1:51:55
  Speaker 2: we just don't what's the What are the details going
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 2: to be and are they gonna be or bad or whatever.
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to pay the Ohio State for a
• 1:52:10
  Speaker 2: twenty seven quarterback. Yet Brady Edmonds is very good.
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: Though.
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 2: I I don't know about I don't know that Nathan
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 2: Bernard is exactly what they're looking for. I think there's
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 2: a I think there's a belief that he may not
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 2: fit what they want as far as just like the
• 1:52:33
  Speaker 2: quick feet, but and I don't say, I don't mean
• 1:52:38
  Speaker 2: like four five forty, I mean like the quick like
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 2: quickness at like Julian saying is has extremely quick feet.
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 2: He may not run a four to three, but he's
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: got extremely quick feed I don't know. I don't know.
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 2: Let's put this way, I had not heard anything that
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 2: would leave me to believe and offer their is imminent. Now.
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 2: That was like ten quarterbacks committing somewhere else ago. So again,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: maybe revisit that after they've watched some junior film and
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: now I got Kelly and they're involved in this too.
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 2: Maybe he feels differently. That just hasn't felt super close
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 2: to me. But things like that can change very quickly,
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 2: so I would have to see what they're actually at
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 2: right now. In twenty six, you're gonna see a flurry
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 2: of offers starting mid to late September, and it's just
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 2: gonna continue through like April on twenty six, Like it's
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 2: just gonna whatever it is now I can almost assure
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 2: you it's gonna like triple druble. I would think between
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: on twenty six, Between now and say the springing twenty five,
• 1:54:11
  Speaker 2: there's usually like a handful like maybe I mean real offers,
• 1:54:15
  Speaker 2: Like they may throw out twenty five or thirty offers
• 1:54:20
  Speaker 2: to seniors. How many of them they're gonna be super
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: serious about usually is somewhere between five and ten, and
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: they usually get a couple of them. I mean, it's
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: not a thing where they're getting fifteen guys that they've
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 2: offered their senior years. But there's always one or two
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 2: that just kind of blowed. Like Jimir Gibbs was a
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 2: late bloomer that went from like no one knew who
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 2: he was to like the most coveted, like late signing
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: period guy of the cycle. So like there's gonna be
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: guys like that. There's gonna be in state guys that
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: get better. You're gonna have, you know, a handful to
• 1:54:53
  Speaker 2: a couple of handfuls. It doesn't feel like it. I
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 2: I hate saying like never on stuff like that or
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 2: like no, but I think I think they had a
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: specific plan for a three running back class that included
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 2: Jordan Davison and once Jordan David. And while Jordan Davison
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 2: isn't Jeremiah Smith or David Sanders, he is a fantastic
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 2: player and you're not just gonna plug that spot with anybody.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: So I think they're going to be extremely, extremely selective
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: about considering a third running back. I think that plan
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 2: kind of blew up when they lost Jordan Davison. Julian
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 2: sayin' size concerned himself. We want to run the more,
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 2: you know. I don't know if they want to necessarily
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: run the QB more as much as they want the
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: quarterback who have the ability to escape and scramble. I
• 1:56:18
  Speaker 2: don't you know. With Will Howard, you're gonna play to
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: his strengths. He's a big, bruising kid, So you're gonna
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: run some QB power there because quite frankly, that's, in
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 2: my opinion, kind of what he's best at is that
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: and kind of play action, and he's he's a very
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 2: different player than like C. J. Stroud obviously. Like so,
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: I think with Julian, it's more of we want you
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 2: to have the athleticism to escape, extend plays, scramble for
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 2: first downs. I don't think you're going to see them like,
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: go JT. Barrett and get Julian into twenty car crashes
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 2: every Saturday just to prove a point. I think Julian's
• 1:57:01
  Speaker 2: gonna do a lot of his damage with his arm. Yeah,
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: I mean, so Ohio State's philosophy, and it's never perfect,
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: right because you're always you're going to offer kids too early. Unfortunately,
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: you are going to do that. You are going to
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: throw out some offers to placate people. You know, you're
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 2: going to go into maybe a place like Buford or
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: a you know, IMG Academy or something like that, and
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 2: you're going to maybe offer more kids than you actually
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 2: are interested in taking. But Ohio State has tried to
• 1:57:47
  Speaker 2: avoid a situation where like sixty seventy percent of their
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: offers are just nonsense, right or wrong. That's how they've
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 2: tried to operate. Again, do I think it makes a
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 2: huge difference at the end of the day. I think
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 2: it makes somewhat of a different Like, certainly, if you
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: offer if you have one hundred real offers out there
• 1:58:13
  Speaker 2: versus fifty real offers like the one hundred real offers
• 1:58:16
  Speaker 2: is a better setup. But again, if you're a high
• 1:58:20
  Speaker 2: state in Alabama in Georgia, you are trying to get
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: the top of your board, like you're not worried about
• 1:58:29
  Speaker 2: who the two hundredth offer is, Like you're not even
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: recruiting that kid, like George is not recruiting. You know,
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: they've offered forty five offensive linemen, they're not recruiting half
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 2: of them. They're not recruiting them. So and if they do,
• 1:58:41
  Speaker 2: if they get down that far on their board, we're
• 1:58:44
  Speaker 2: gonna have a situation like we have here where Ohioti
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 2: fans want you know, Justin fries head on a spike.
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: They're gonna want Kirby Smart's head on a spike. If
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 2: if they're getting down to their thirty fifth and forty
• 1:58:55
  Speaker 2: fifth offers on the offensive line because they've missed on
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: their top ten to twelve of fourteen whatever it is targets.
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: So again, I don't I think what you're saying has merit.
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: I think there is some merit to more offers, but
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 2: I don't think it's the major symptom you're trying to fight. Yes,
• 1:59:24
  Speaker 2: they are still trying to flip brew do I think
• 1:59:29
  Speaker 2: they got Brew, they got McNutt and Justin Hiller, like
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: three eyes are definitely trying to flip. I think they knew,
• 1:59:39
  Speaker 2: they knew the deal with McNutt, they knew it wasn't
• 1:59:41
  Speaker 2: gonna be down this summer. He's been claiming he's gonna
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: visit do his official in the fall. What you suspect
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 2: he's gonna do some games in the fall on an
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 2: unofficial capacity. They're playing the long game there. They were
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 2: a little more taken off guard by Brew, and I
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: think they'll continue to try and and hammer that on
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 2: home And then of course you have Justin Hill as well.
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 2: So those are like three flip candidates to at least
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 2: keep on the back burner there. Okay, good, I honestly
• 2:00:31
  Speaker 2: do not. I'm never gonna sit here and be like,
• 2:00:34
  Speaker 2: oh yeah, I have to, you know, just go off
• 2:00:37
  Speaker 2: script and just throw something out there. I honestly do not.
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 2: Not someone i've been able to not someone i've been
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 2: able to see. I know he's the preferred walk on,
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 2: and just haven't. I haven't went down that rabbit hole yet.
• 2:00:51
  Speaker 2: But let me actually do that. I know you're I
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 2: know you're on the site, so I will I'll do
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 2: maybe a deep dive on that here this week and
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 2: see what I can get. Chase Linton? Do we go
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 2: after Chase Linton? I always these are always the fun
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: questions because it's like, well, you can't really say no,
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: but you also aren't sure it's actually yes. I think
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 2: I would say no right now. I think, first of all,
• 2:01:22
  Speaker 2: I think they feel pretty good about their defensive line class,
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 2: especially on the edge. When Justin Hill committed to Alabama,
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 2: it was absolutely unanimous people I talked with Ohio State
• 2:01:35
  Speaker 2: that there wasn't a Plan B for Justin Hill. Justin
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 2: Hill is the Plan B. So Plan B for Ohio
• 2:01:40
  Speaker 2: State in terms of like that type of edge. Body
• 2:01:42
  Speaker 2: is flipping Justin Hill back like they're not going to
• 2:01:44
  Speaker 2: give up on that one. So I think it's unlikely.
• 2:01:48
  Speaker 2: It's like nothing's ever no, like zero percent in recruiting,
• 2:01:52
  Speaker 2: But like I would, I would think probably not. I
• 2:01:55
  Speaker 2: think Justin Hill is going to be the guy they
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 2: really lock in on here. Yeah, Ralph's got a Ralph's
• 2:02:04
  Speaker 2: got a great point there to an extent, Yeah, right exactly,
• 2:02:13
  Speaker 2: And so so to that point, does it matter if
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 2: you've if you've given an all like so like for
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 2: Alabama Georgia with like their fifty oh line offers when
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 2: we know twenty five to thirty of them are bs.
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 2: Does it matter if they've offered Why not just call
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 2: the kid? Why not just call the kid once a
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 2: week or once every couple of weeks and build a
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 2: relationship and then offer them when you're ready, Like, I
• 2:02:40
  Speaker 2: don't know that it yeah, I don't know. I mean
• 2:02:45
  Speaker 2: you can, you can. I think there are ways to
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 2: convey your point of We need you to visit. We
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: need to see this out of you. We need to
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 2: without offering you first and be like, oh, by the way,
• 2:02:52
  Speaker 2: you can't actually commit to this offer. Here are the
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 2: hoops you have to jump through first, and then we'll
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 2: tell you if you can commit to this offer or not.
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 2: You can just tell the means of the who we
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 2: need to jump you to jump through before we even
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: offer you, before we consider taking you. So this is
• 2:03:05
  Speaker 2: where I think it's a little more complicated on the
• 2:03:08
  Speaker 2: number of offers than just black and white. They should
• 2:03:10
  Speaker 2: offer this many players or whatever it is. Larry could
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 2: not be more serious about going after Jaqem Stewart. That
• 2:03:24
  Speaker 2: is his number one priority right now, and I fully
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 2: expect him to reclassify. He has tabled that conversation. We've
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 2: talked to Jacqein, We've we've seen him in person a
• 2:03:37
  Speaker 2: couple of times. We actually went down to his uh
• 2:03:39
  Speaker 2: we actually went down and saw him on our Southern
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 2: swing in Louisiana back in May and got his script,
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: did his scrimmage and talked to him for a little bit.
• 2:03:46
  Speaker 2: After we talked with coaches and then they came back
• 2:03:48
  Speaker 2: up and we were so we spent a lot of
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 2: time around Jacqein here on this offseason, and again he
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 2: and his coach have kind of been like, you know,
• 2:03:57
  Speaker 2: when there's something to tell you on that will tell you.
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 2: But privately, he's taken all the he's doing all the
• 2:04:05
  Speaker 2: required paperwork, coursework, et cetera to do that, and it
• 2:04:11
  Speaker 2: would seem to be a massive waste of time for
• 2:04:16
  Speaker 2: someone who his coach has quoted in my interviews with
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 2: him of saying, we don't waste his time with visits,
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: We don't waste his time with things to not actually reclassify.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 2: So I fully expect him to reclassify. And that is, yes,
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 2: that is Larry Johnson's number one. I mean, he just
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: he thinks the world of Jaquem. I know that for
• 2:04:37
  Speaker 2: a fact. I you know, I think what they're gonna
• 2:04:53
  Speaker 2: do right now. I mean, first of all, yet you're
• 2:04:56
  Speaker 2: still trying to flip Justin Hill, who is more d
• 2:04:59
  Speaker 2: N than linebacker, So you're still in that phase. I
• 2:05:07
  Speaker 2: think they know the score ons a here like they're not.
• 2:05:11
  Speaker 2: They're not blind to like this is a here, mathis situation.
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 2: So I would be I can tell you with like
• 2:05:21
  Speaker 2: ninety eight percent certainty there they've got privately, they've got
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 2: their backup options together if they think they need another
• 2:05:29
  Speaker 2: body the way the landscape looks right now with what
• 2:05:35
  Speaker 2: they have currently, and they still have a here right now,
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're feeling like they need to bring
• 2:05:46
  Speaker 2: in someone else yet, as long as they here is
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 2: still in the class, as long as they're still trying
• 2:05:53
  Speaker 2: to flip Justin Hill, and again to go to the
• 2:05:56
  Speaker 2: last thing we talked about, as long as Jeqem Stewart's
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: still out there, because you're not recruiting Jaqem Stewart as
• 2:06:02
  Speaker 2: a defensive tackle. You're recruiting Jaqem Stewart as a defensive lineman.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: You're not telling him you're this you're that they're letting him.
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 2: There's just like you're just a you're a monster, you're
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 2: a defensive lineman. And so I think that, you know,
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 2: as long as all those options are still in play,
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: I think they're gonna be pretty selective on bringing anyone new.
• 2:06:23
  Speaker 2: And you know, last thing before I jump to the
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 2: next one is again another theme of this conversation we're
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 2: having here is the roster balance from eighty five to
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 2: one oh five. You can't just bring in like seven
• 2:06:37
  Speaker 2: guys at the defensive end or left tackle or outside line,
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: but whatever you want to. You know, you guys bring
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: seven guys to get to your one of like, you're
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: gonna have to slowly gradually get there. I don't think
• 2:06:49
  Speaker 2: Autry is gonna flip to get to back to get
• 2:06:51
  Speaker 2: to this one. I don't think's gonna flip. They're gonna try.
• 2:06:56
  Speaker 2: Zion Grady's gonna try. There's two train together. They meet
• 2:07:00
  Speaker 2: about three and a half four hours apart. They meet
• 2:07:03
  Speaker 2: halfway in Montgomery to train with the same person. So
• 2:07:08
  Speaker 2: Zion Grady's going to continue to work that. But we're
• 2:07:11
  Speaker 2: talking about a kid who grew up fifteen minutes away
• 2:07:13
  Speaker 2: from Auburn whose parents have like never left the state,
• 2:07:18
  Speaker 2: you know, other than maybe a couple of these official visits.
• 2:07:20
  Speaker 2: Like they're very like small town people, and I just
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 2: given how important he is to Auburn as well, just
• 2:07:27
  Speaker 2: they're gonna do anything on their power to keep him.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 2: I think that's a major uphill battle. And I think
• 2:07:34
  Speaker 2: one thing that would open the door is if Auburn
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: is an absolute dumpster fire this year, but that remains
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 2: to be seen. Obviously. Yeah, I don't have a great
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: answer for that other than like what I would say
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 2: that the obvious answer would be is that I think
• 2:07:51
  Speaker 2: they probably just they just liked our guys more. I
• 2:07:56
  Speaker 2: don't have like a a long, in depth answer on
• 2:07:59
  Speaker 2: that throw up. Mika's Justin Hill comment on the Jack
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: if you can so what one thousand percent that you know,
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 2: we can talk about the parents being Alabama fan, like
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 2: one thousand percent. This was a sticking point. They thought
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: they had that covered, much like they thought they had
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: David Sanders geography covered. But here's the thing, They're either
• 2:08:43
  Speaker 2: going to use it this fall or they're not. So
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 2: if they if we see the Jack as much as
• 2:08:46
  Speaker 2: we've seen the Jack the last few years, which is
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: that we've barely seen it. Then, Yeah, they're not gonna
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 2: flip Justin Hill. That being said, they've been telling Justin
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 2: Hill for a year, really that they're going to deploy
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 2: the jack position this year. So let's say you landed
• 2:09:07
  Speaker 2: Justin Hill in July. If you then go out this
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: fall and don't use the jack, he's flipping to Alabama anyway,
• 2:09:14
  Speaker 2: You're not. You wouldn'tssigned him anyway. So they're either going
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: to stick by what they've been telling Justin Hill and
• 2:09:22
  Speaker 2: we're going to see the jack, which is going to
• 2:09:24
  Speaker 2: give them a chance to flip him, or that was
• 2:09:28
  Speaker 2: a very bad choice of a sales pitch and we're
• 2:09:30
  Speaker 2: going to find out they're not. They have no intention
• 2:09:32
  Speaker 2: of using the jack, and they're they're not going to
• 2:09:35
  Speaker 2: flip them. So I'm inclined to believe we're see more
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 2: at the year. I don't know why you would make
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: it a point to recruit Justin Hill solely for this
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: position in a way that you haven't with any other
• 2:09:46
  Speaker 2: kid the last three years, and then not follow through
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: on what you're telling him, because you were going to
• 2:09:51
  Speaker 2: be outed as a liar if you took his commitment
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: in July and then went out this fall and didn't
• 2:09:56
  Speaker 2: use the jack. You were gonna be outed as a
• 2:09:58
  Speaker 2: liar to him anyway, and he was gonna flip that Alabama.
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: So I am inclined to believe we're going to see
• 2:10:03
  Speaker 2: more of it this fall than we have. I really am.
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: We'll see. I mean, like I said, he's he's They've
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: been telling Justin Hill this for a year. We'll see.
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not sure. I don't believe what coaches
• 2:10:26
  Speaker 2: say about strategy in August. Remember every August was we're
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 2: gonna throw to the tight end more than and they
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: finally did with Stover like last year or two years ago.
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: But like, remember every August, we're gonna use the tight end.
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: This year, we're gonna use tight end. We're gonna do that.
• 2:10:40
  Speaker 2: We're gonna they had that, uh you know, the bullet
• 2:10:43
  Speaker 2: position they had, they had, they had names for all
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 2: these positions over the years. And then they don't, So like,
• 2:10:48
  Speaker 2: I you know, will they not? Maybe they won't. I mean,
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: maybe they'll just say, you know what, let Justin Hill
• 2:10:54
  Speaker 2: go to Alabama. We're just not gonna use the jack.
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: They have the personnel for it. I mean, Sonny Styles
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: was like born to play that position, but like, I
• 2:11:06
  Speaker 2: don't know, we'll see, I'm not I think there are
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: things you can glean from what the coaches say in
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: August in terms of like position battles and like, there's
• 2:11:15
  Speaker 2: things you can glean, but in terms of what they're
• 2:11:18
  Speaker 2: telling you they're gonna do on the field, as far
• 2:11:20
  Speaker 2: as who they're going to focus on, personnel formations, stuff
• 2:11:27
  Speaker 2: like that, we get a lot of bs. So again,
• 2:11:29
  Speaker 2: let's just let's see where we're at. In September, we
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 2: offer Sincere Jonathan. I like Sincere a lot. Reminds me
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: a little bit of rvel Reese. He's a little thicker
• 2:11:40
  Speaker 2: than rvel was come out Orvelle was a little longer, skinnier.
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: I would will they ah, I think he's got a
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: good chance. I think he's got a good chance. I mean,
• 2:11:53
  Speaker 2: I like only James lare I don't offer kids, so
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: like I can't sit here and say yes, they're definitely
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: like James lourennice makes that decision. But I think he
• 2:12:00
  Speaker 2: got a good chance. And again I go back to this,
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: you're gonna have to come up with twenty more scholarships
• 2:12:06
  Speaker 2: over the next couple of years. That you that you
• 2:12:07
  Speaker 2: had that you're gonna have to fill. So I think
• 2:12:09
  Speaker 2: you can be more aggressive with Ohio kids, developmental kids,
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: and so I would looks like, yeah, it looks like
• 2:12:22
  Speaker 2: we got some well that certainly happens, that certainly happens
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: in a lot of cases. I think I think I
• 2:12:31
  Speaker 2: went a little deeper with that than Autry. He again,
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: he's very close with Iion Grady. I think Zion Grady
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: knew he was going to Ohio State, probably two months
• 2:12:42
  Speaker 2: before he committed to Ohio State, maybe three months before
• 2:12:44
  Speaker 2: he committed to Ohio State. We were down at Zion
• 2:12:47
  Speaker 2: Grady's spring scrimmage and we got very good vibe from
• 2:12:49
  Speaker 2: him there, and it was kind of understood that wherever
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 2: he committed was he was going to try and go
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: with Millie Gautry. He was gonna try and flip Molli
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: Gautry there. So I think part of that was going,
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 2: you know, they visited the same weekend. I think part
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 2: of that was like, let me check this place out
• 2:13:04
  Speaker 2: with Zion. Zion's probably going here, it really likes the place.
• 2:13:07
  Speaker 2: Let me let me take a look, you know. But certainly, yes,
• 2:13:12
  Speaker 2: I mean it's a great way to it is a
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: great way to to get everyone's cards on the table
• 2:13:18
  Speaker 2: is to commit somewhere and then visit other schools. So
• 2:13:29
  Speaker 2: Tennessee just flipped somebody from Alabama? Is that? Is that
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: what the chat's saying? If I read that correctly? Interesting?
• 2:13:42
  Speaker 2: Like I said, they're uh, whatever they're doing, and I look,
• 2:13:45
  Speaker 2: is NIL like part of what they're doing? Sure? Are
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: we going to pretend that Alabama doesn't know what they're
• 2:13:51
  Speaker 2: doing with NIL or isn't doing NIL properly? I mean
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 2: I don't, I don't think so. But yeah, I mean
• 2:13:57
  Speaker 2: they're whatever they're selling, kids are buying, and they're not
• 2:14:04
  Speaker 2: selling the same products that a lot of like you
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: know that Georgia and Ohio State and Alabama are selling.
• 2:14:08
  Speaker 2: So I guess kudos to them for for how they're
• 2:14:11
  Speaker 2: approaching things. I think, yeah, I think. So we got
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: we got super good vibes around like again, two muths
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: before he committed, we got super good vibes around Zion
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: at his school. And we talked to one of his
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: family members at the scrimmage and I did, I'll do
• 2:14:30
  Speaker 2: this sometimes to kind of you know, I'm trying, I'm
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 2: trying to gather information so I can pass informational on
• 2:14:37
  Speaker 2: to you guys. So I'll one thing I'll do sometimes
• 2:14:41
  Speaker 2: is like a kid from like Alabama, like Zion is
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 2: all you know. I'll go to a family member. I'll
• 2:14:44
  Speaker 2: be like, well, there's no way like Zion. You know,
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: kids from Alabama, I don't go to O High State.
• 2:14:51
  Speaker 2: They go to Alabama and Georgia like, is this is this,
• 2:14:53
  Speaker 2: Siria And he's not that serious. Is this is kind
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 2: of a curiosity trip? And they're like, oh no, no, no, no,
• 2:14:59
  Speaker 2: there's like their last visit they covered, they checked every box,
• 2:15:03
  Speaker 2: was his best visit by far. They were more thorough
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 2: than any other program. He loves Larry Johnson. And then
• 2:15:09
  Speaker 2: you know, seven eight weeks later he pops for Ohio
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 2: State after his officials. So I've felt very good about
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 2: hanging on a Grady since they committed offered. I think again,
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 2: I'm not trying to be negative on this. I've become
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: more positive on this over the last six months. I
• 2:15:29
  Speaker 2: would give Ohio State a better chance of keeping him
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: than losing him. I don't think it's gonna be stress free, guys.
• 2:15:35
  Speaker 2: I don't think that we're not gonna hear anything about
• 2:15:38
  Speaker 2: nim offered for five more months until he's in Columba.
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think that's how this is gonna go. I
• 2:15:44
  Speaker 2: think there's gonna be late desperation offers from Auburn, from Aliabit,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: from all all sorts of places. You gotta remember, Auburn
• 2:15:51
  Speaker 2: desperately wants to keep this kid home. Calin de Borr
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 2: is desperate to keep this thing together. He has got
• 2:15:58
  Speaker 2: to come out swinging or they're going to eat him alive,
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 2: replacing Saban. There are schools that are incentivized to just
• 2:16:04
  Speaker 2: go nuts, would just go above and beyond just the
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: craziness with Offerd, and I think we're going to see
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 2: that happen in like November October, November December. But I
• 2:16:19
  Speaker 2: feel better about their chances of keeping him today than
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 2: I did like the day he committed. I was like, Oh,
• 2:16:24
  Speaker 2: Auburn's gonna flip that one, and they haven't yet, but
• 2:16:27
  Speaker 2: I don't think they're out of the woods again. More
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: likely than not to stick would be my stance, but
• 2:16:32
  Speaker 2: not without some stress. So I think basically, right now,
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: your guys are hoping it's a Jeremiah Smith deal where
• 2:16:40
  Speaker 2: you know he stresses you out for a month or
• 2:16:42
  Speaker 2: two and then goes, you know, science sticks with his
• 2:16:45
  Speaker 2: commitment and signs. Look, I would have told you that
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 2: in when he committed, Like the day he committed, I
• 2:16:54
  Speaker 2: felt bad and people were kind of mad at me.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: I kind of threw a wet blanket on him, like, eah,
• 2:16:58
  Speaker 2: long way to go, guys. We'll see now everyone knows.
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 2: Now everyone knows who heads, you know kind of thing,
• 2:17:03
  Speaker 2: and it would not I said, Mathis is like the guy.
• 2:17:09
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, that's the guy that may not end
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 2: up here. Offered wouldn't be too far down a list.
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 2: But I think they've done a really good job. Walton
• 2:17:16
  Speaker 2: has done a great job, even just like they survived,
• 2:17:21
  Speaker 2: like he visited Alabama, like it's felt like every day
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 2: for like two weeks at Alabama. They survived that. I
• 2:17:27
  Speaker 2: mean they've done a great job there. So but again,
• 2:17:31
  Speaker 2: if you're looking for that to be stressed free the
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 2: next four months, I'm sorry, it's not gonna be. I
• 2:17:39
  Speaker 2: don't think so. I don't think they were ever in
• 2:17:42
  Speaker 2: a position of strength for DeVos. It just always felt
• 2:17:46
  Speaker 2: like he was in good Alabama or LSU. To me,
• 2:17:49
  Speaker 2: I don't think they ever led that. I know, everyone
• 2:17:51
  Speaker 2: like wanted to make the Cleveland connection, like, but like
• 2:17:56
  Speaker 2: I just I've never I ever felt good about that one.
• 2:18:01
  Speaker 2: So I don't think so. Yes, Kevin is running, Uh,
• 2:18:07
  Speaker 2: Kevin is producing, so all these questions, Yeah, Kevin's Uh,
• 2:18:11
  Speaker 2: Kevin's running the show as of a like a week ago. No,
• 2:18:25
  Speaker 2: I don't think they've replaced Aaron Dunston yet. I don't
• 2:18:30
  Speaker 2: think so. So obviously, if they haven't, which I believe
• 2:18:35
  Speaker 2: is correct, no, they're not at full capacity. And quite frankly,
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 2: that was a brutal time to lose her, Like if
• 2:18:49
  Speaker 2: she does that in February or even like late yeah,
• 2:18:52
  Speaker 2: like there were times that she could have done that
• 2:18:55
  Speaker 2: and it's like, okay, yeah, we'll find a replacement in
• 2:18:57
  Speaker 2: a month or two. And but like in the in
• 2:19:00
  Speaker 2: the heat of recruiting season and June, you got official
• 2:19:04
  Speaker 2: visits going on, you got unofficial visits going on, you
• 2:19:06
  Speaker 2: got camps to just kind of like up and that
• 2:19:09
  Speaker 2: was that was not ideal for Ohio State. That was
• 2:19:12
  Speaker 2: that was a little like under the radar, underrated. Like
• 2:19:15
  Speaker 2: loss for them was was from an organization. Like she
• 2:19:21
  Speaker 2: does a lot of like the organizational stuff, like the scheduling,
• 2:19:24
  Speaker 2: like all that type, all the logistics. Those are things
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 2: she had a big hand. Like when you lose that,
• 2:19:30
  Speaker 2: is she the person like closing the deal on recruits?
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 2: Is she like Mark Pantoni like the GF. No, but
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 2: like she's like directing everyone what they need to be
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 2: doing when they need to be doing like that. That
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 2: is a you lose your logistics person, that is Ah,
• 2:19:44
  Speaker 2: that's a that's a tough blow right in the middle
• 2:19:47
  Speaker 2: of the recruiting hot season. Oh that was my fault
• 2:19:58
  Speaker 2: that I was like, take the blame. I have not
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 2: heard that. It would make some sense and maybe Ryan
• 2:20:18
  Speaker 2: Day coming out and saying, uh, yeah, the coaches just
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 2: needed a break. I don't know, like if that's a
• 2:20:27
  Speaker 2: better thing to say than be like, yeah, Michigan caught
• 2:20:29
  Speaker 2: us with our with our pants down and stole Aaron
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 2: Dunstan and you know we didn't know. We didn't We
• 2:20:36
  Speaker 2: weren't able to reorganize in time to do something like that.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 2: That may have been a worse answer than saying, yeah,
• 2:20:41
  Speaker 2: the coaches just needed a little bit of a break.
• 2:20:43
  Speaker 2: I don't know. I have not been told that, but
• 2:20:45
  Speaker 2: it it wouldn't shock me. He's all right, let's not
• 2:20:51
  Speaker 2: let's not give him too much credit here. We can't
• 2:20:55
  Speaker 2: tell him too many positive things here and keep him
• 2:20:58
  Speaker 2: keep him in line. H Yeah, yeah, I agree. Yeah,
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 2: I think they. I think they. I think they pivoted
• 2:21:10
  Speaker 2: very well from from Alford. I think they did. Got
• 2:21:20
  Speaker 2: anything else I can? You know, we've been going here, geez,
• 2:21:23
  Speaker 2: two hours, two hours and twenty minutes. Let's wrap up.
• 2:21:31
  Speaker 2: I'll try and do this again pretty pretty regularly. Maybe
• 2:21:35
  Speaker 2: Kevin can join me on some of them too. As
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 2: from a from a live perspective, I just felt because
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 2: I was at the center like the discourse yesterday, and
• 2:21:42
  Speaker 2: I am kind of the recruiting guy for the site,
• 2:21:44
  Speaker 2: I felt that maybe just the one on one, so
• 2:21:48
  Speaker 2: to speak, would was a better format for live right now.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: But I will, uh, I will try and do more
• 2:21:55
  Speaker 2: of these, the live ones, because they are they do.
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 2: They do very well for us, you guys to enjoy them. Yeah,
• 2:22:01
  Speaker 2: check out the huddle board for some scrimmage news. You know,
• 2:22:04
  Speaker 2: Tigler's making a move at right guard. I know Hensman's
• 2:22:07
  Speaker 2: missed some uh some time with illness, so that's you know,
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 2: there was already competition there, it's it's made things even
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 2: more interesting. I think with Hinsman missing some practices and
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: Tegra starting to find his way a little bit of guard.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 2: You got Montgomery in there. You know, there are things
• 2:22:27
  Speaker 2: I can say that are obvious, like Caleb Down's pretty good,
• 2:22:30
  Speaker 2: Jeremiah Smith pretty good, Carnal Take pretty good. Like those
• 2:22:33
  Speaker 2: are like I feel almost dumb saying those because you
• 2:22:35
  Speaker 2: wouldn't have to have any inside information. You could just
• 2:22:37
  Speaker 2: say that and no one would know if you would
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 2: inside information or not. But those are all very true things,
• 2:22:44
  Speaker 2: you know, Julian saying is has been very impressive throughout
• 2:22:48
  Speaker 2: Fall Camp. I can say that for sure. So there
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 2: there's a few things I think Again, Josh Simmons is
• 2:22:55
  Speaker 2: a guy who I think went from people were like
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 2: mad they took him out of Portal to now like
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 2: best offensive lineman on the team and potential like second
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 2: round pick right now, maybe even play away no first,
• 2:23:10
  Speaker 2: he has a great year. Like so there's some there's
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: some interesting things going on with that. One thing I'll
• 2:23:15
  Speaker 2: throw out there. I don't think this is new breaking news,
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 2: but I think this is something I continue to hear
• 2:23:19
  Speaker 2: is James Peoples is fantastic and they've got this amazing
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 2: one to two punch right now with with Quin, Shawn
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 2: and Trey. But I think we're I think we're going
• 2:23:30
  Speaker 2: to see quite a bit of James Peoples this year.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 2: I think people are gonna be very excited about him.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: So hang on, head out to uh Buckey Huddle dot
• 2:23:39
  Speaker 2: com on the board. I know we had some insight
• 2:23:41
  Speaker 2: posted from the scrimmage yesterday that maybe I didn't cover here.
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 2: Some of our guys had some insight to provide, and
• 2:23:47
  Speaker 2: so check that out. A great time to sign up
• 2:23:49
  Speaker 2: twelve nine nine a month if you want to do
• 2:23:51
  Speaker 2: the monthly, give us a shot. But I literally I
• 2:23:56
  Speaker 2: believe just taking the temperature of you guys and your excitement,
• 2:23:59
  Speaker 2: I really think this is the most anticipated on High
• 2:24:01
  Speaker 2: State football season in a really long time, maybe since
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 2: the year they were coming off the title in fourteen,
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 2: maybe maybe that following year. I think this is just,
• 2:24:11
  Speaker 2: uh the excitement just seems so huge right now. I think.
• 2:24:16
  Speaker 2: So it'd be a great time to come over and
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 2: hang out with us, talk to you know, a whole
• 2:24:21
  Speaker 2: army of your fellow High State fans, and like enjoy
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: the ride together. So let's see where it goes. But yeah,
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 2: let's let's wrap this up. You can head over to
• 2:24:30
  Speaker 2: huddleboard and you know we can always answer questions there
• 2:24:32
  Speaker 2: if you have them, and I'm usually pretty good on
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 2: responding on Twitter to things as well, But just head
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 2: over there. But hope to see you over there if
• 2:24:41
  Speaker 2: you're not already, And again, thanks for thanks for joining
• 2:24:43
  Speaker 2: us and making this worth doing