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The Circle Kept Growing Kingdom Of Fraud The Podcast From Michelle McPhee · Arroe Collins Like It's Live

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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you should be using that voice by
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  Speaker 2: Oh I love it. Maybe I should be.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, listen you go. Oh my god, Michelle, Michelle,
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, you stop it. No, your voice sounds proved
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  Speaker 1: because listen to that pitch volume in ton I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I mean I didn't learn any art. I assure you.
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  Speaker 3: I'm just a big mouth Stefen Wonier, Italian girl from Boston.
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  Speaker 1: All right, miss Boston, how did you get out there
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  Speaker 1: in Utah? Then you're gonna have to dig in here
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  Speaker 1: because you win all the way in on a story
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  Speaker 1: here that my god, I'm from Montana. I didn't even
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  Speaker 1: know this was even taking place.
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  Speaker 3: So this story started when I was working for the
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  Speaker 3: I'm still the senior investigative editor at Los Angeles Magazine,
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  Speaker 3: a job I absolutely love because they let me do
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  Speaker 3: deep dives like this one into this fraud. And I'll
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  Speaker 3: tell you this started in an unusual way. I got
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  Speaker 3: a press release in Los Angeles about an FBI agent
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  Speaker 3: who got locked up for corruption, and I'm like, anytime
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  Speaker 3: an FBI agent.
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  Speaker 2: Gets locked up, it's interesting to me.
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  Speaker 3: But this was even more interesting because he had top
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  Speaker 3: secret security clearance and he had worked on a CIA
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  Speaker 3: Task Force. So this is a big shot, a.
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  Speaker 2: Very big supervisory agent in the FBI.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, what is this story? And it turns out
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  Speaker 3: that this guy had sold his top secret security clearance
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  Speaker 3: and his badge so he could buy Gucci belts in
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  Speaker 3: fancy clothes and run around with these gangsters in Las Vegas.
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  Speaker 3: It was fascinating to me, and that sort of pulled
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  Speaker 3: the thread to this whole fraud. Who was this dirty
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  Speaker 3: FBI agent working for this fake lawyer named Edgar Sargizian
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  Speaker 3: who had paid a ringer to take the bar.
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  Speaker 2: Exam for him. He was running this elaborate pump and.
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  Speaker 3: Dump scam out of his rodeo drive fake law firm,
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  Speaker 3: And I'm like.
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  Speaker 2: Well, who's this guy?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that guy was working for a gas station in
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  Speaker 3: energy tycoon named Lev Derman. And then you start looking
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  Speaker 3: into Lev Derman and you've come up with this case
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  Speaker 3: in Utah. Well, Lev Derman had partnered with themals unlikely
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  Speaker 3: dude in the world to be that would become friends,
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  Speaker 3: and that is this you know, wrangler Jean Wearing. I
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  Speaker 3: would say he would. He came up very isolated in Utah.
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  Speaker 3: He was a member of a infamous polygamous sect known
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  Speaker 3: as the Kingston Clan or the Order.
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  Speaker 2: My God, so think about these people.
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  Speaker 3: You have this guy who's like a swaggering giant in
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  Speaker 3: Los Angeles, and.
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  Speaker 2: Then you have this like weird guy who has.
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  Speaker 3: Three wives in Utah, and they come up with this
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  Speaker 3: scheme that stole almost a billion dollars from me and
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  Speaker 3: you and everybody else who pays taxes.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, you just gave me the true story
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  Speaker 1: of what it's like to go into what the Celtic
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  Speaker 1: religion is all about. It's about God picking up dirt
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  Speaker 1: thrown it across the country and they all come together
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  Speaker 1: as one. Everything, all all of that taking place just
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  Speaker 1: all came together as one. And you sit there as
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  Speaker 1: an outsider, going, I don't understand how they It's like
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  Speaker 1: a joke. How does a joke get from Seattle to Carolina?
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  Speaker 1: I don't know? And this is definitely one of those things.
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  Speaker 1: It's like these people got together how. And that's why
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  Speaker 1: I'm addicted to this podcast. I want to know how
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  Speaker 1: instead of why.
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  Speaker 2: And that's the how.
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  Speaker 3: It is so fascinating. It involves this like rapper who
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  Speaker 3: was working for Jacob Kingston, Like Jacob Kingston you know,
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  Speaker 3: it might look a little bit like, you know, a
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  Speaker 3: backwards guy. But he did get an engineering degree, a
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  Speaker 3: doctorate at the University of Utah. He grew up in isolation,
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  Speaker 3: but he was making a name for himself. But in
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  Speaker 3: the Kingston Plan, the debts of the father passed on
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  Speaker 3: to the son right, so.
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  Speaker 2: His father wasn't debt.
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  Speaker 3: His father had done jail time for neally beating his
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  Speaker 3: sixteen year old daughter to death because she didn't want
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  Speaker 3: to marry her uncle.
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  Speaker 2: So you know, the dad was in debt.
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  Speaker 3: The Sun didn't want his son, Jacob, one of Alma's children.
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  Speaker 3: I think it had numbered more than one hundred. So
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  Speaker 3: one of his sons, Jacob, got a degree. He was
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  Speaker 3: on his way out. He built his biofuel plant, but
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  Speaker 3: it was easier to never produce a single gallon of
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  Speaker 3: biofuel to steel instead of pretend to making biofuel.
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  Speaker 2: And that's what happened, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And he went from wearing wranglers and you know, hand
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  Speaker 3: me downs to sitting sport side at the Utah Jazz Games,
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  Speaker 3: driving it from Lamborghini and living in a mansion in
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  Speaker 3: Salt Lake City. Who was trying to hide from the
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  Speaker 3: order because they would have taken it from him.
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  Speaker 1: See is it the broadcaster in both of us and
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  Speaker 1: the journalists and both of us that would sit there
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  Speaker 1: and see a scene like that and go, what's going
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  Speaker 1: on here? We I mean, because it smells like trouble.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can even see it, and you're the
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  Speaker 1: one that's asking the questions. It's that what took so
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  Speaker 1: long for you to get there?
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  Speaker 2: You know, I have to tell you, this is one
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  Speaker 2: of those like old school.
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  Speaker 4: Reading thousands people don't have to you read transcripts, and
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  Speaker 4: so your eyes are bleeding, right, and then you go
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  Speaker 4: backwards from there and connect the dots with all of
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  Speaker 4: these people. And you know, for me, this really was
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  Speaker 4: about unraveling what they called the boys, which was the
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  Speaker 4: network of dirty police officials on the case.
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  Speaker 3: I'm like, because that to me was the most alarming thing. Look,
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  Speaker 3: criminals are going to be criminals. There's nothing we can do.
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  Speaker 3: But when we have people at the highest levels of
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  Speaker 3: law enforcement who are selling their top sea for security
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  Speaker 3: clearance to the highest dinner, then that should be alarming
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  Speaker 3: to all of us. And especially when you see that
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  Speaker 3: these people are convicted and do a paltry sentence, you
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  Speaker 3: know the guy Bob ach Brohmans.
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  Speaker 2: He's walking around. He's out already.
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  Speaker 3: And one of the aspects of this case, which you
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  Speaker 3: will find fascinating because as part of the headlines that
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  Speaker 3: are happening right now, is bobach Romans had offered up
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  Speaker 3: the location he was. What he worked in is human
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  Speaker 3: intelligence like humans, which is like developing sources.
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  Speaker 2: Right, he was.
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  Speaker 3: He was Persian, Iranian, He could speak languages that were
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  Speaker 3: important to the CIA. So he was pulled into a
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  Speaker 3: CIA task force. It worked some sort of top secret
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  Speaker 3: mission overseas that he was given CIA accolades for, which
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  Speaker 3: is all part of the public record. Well, during this case,
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  Speaker 3: Bob ab Romand told the Armenian underworld that he had
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  Speaker 3: a source in Libya who knew Kaddafi before he died,
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  Speaker 3: had swirled away gold that he stole from his people
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  Speaker 3: and had hidden in the desert so he could make
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  Speaker 3: his escape. Well, yesterday he may have seen that a
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  Speaker 3: CIA official was locked up in Virginia.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, And you gotta wonder did the CIA
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  Speaker 2: just hand him gold. I don't think so.
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  Speaker 3: I don't think they're just handing out gold bars at
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  Speaker 3: HR right, So it makes me wonder bob Ack Roman
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  Speaker 3: is out.
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  Speaker 2: He was on a CIA task force. Who the hell knows?
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  Speaker 3: Like, is this the Kaddafi gold that's been the subject
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  Speaker 3: of a treasure hunt?
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  Speaker 2: Is this Stephen two of Kingdom of Fraud? I think
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  Speaker 2: it is? Oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: You see how we're being called into situations like this
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  Speaker 1: just to get the conversation started and get things bouncing
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  Speaker 1: and moving, because it goes into a moment where we
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  Speaker 1: all think we're invisible, and then here comes Michelle, who's going,
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  Speaker 1: I can dig into this if you want me to.
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  Speaker 1: And now we're seeing stuff that's even happening even today.
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  Speaker 1: This is why journalism is so important.
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  Speaker 2: Oh I'm so.
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  Speaker 3: Happy you said that, because that really is the key
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  Speaker 3: to America right now. In order to fight back, the
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  Speaker 3: only thing we have our voices and people who are
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  Speaker 3: fighting for the truth. I mean, look, I'm a huge
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  Speaker 3: believer that this is all connected.
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  Speaker 2: There are people in this case that are in the
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  Speaker 2: Epstein files, right. So truth is paramount's.
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  Speaker 3: Importance, and this is one of those cases where we
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  Speaker 3: need to hear the truth.
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  Speaker 2: We need to know. You know, one of the allegations
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  Speaker 2: that was made by.
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  Speaker 3: Jacob Kingston's very powerful attorney, he Mark Agnifolo, who you've seen,
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  Speaker 3: you know, has been involved in the p Didty case
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  Speaker 3: and his wife is now doing the Luigi Manngioni case.
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  Speaker 3: So these are high ranking lawyers. These are people who
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  Speaker 3: are throwing crazy into the winds and seeing if it sticks.
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  Speaker 3: But Mark Agnifilo told the judge in this case that
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  Speaker 3: a lot of the money that was being laundered through Turkey,
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  Speaker 3: through this billion name billionaire and named Baron cork Motts,
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  Speaker 3: was actually being funnel to Syria to back the Kurds
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  Speaker 3: in the fight against c ISIS, which is a believable
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  Speaker 3: story when you see that Baron cork Motts was best
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  Speaker 3: friends with James Wolsey, whose name might ring a belt
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  Speaker 3: to a lot of you because he was this CIA
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  Speaker 3: director of de Bill Clinton and then became a national
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  Speaker 3: security advisor in the first Trump administration.
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  Speaker 2: So this guy is very powerful.
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  Speaker 3: He's been around for a long time, and he is,
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  Speaker 3: you know, on the outskirts of this case. A prosecutor
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  Speaker 3: told me off the record that if he wasn't suffering
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  Speaker 3: from alleged dementia, he would have been charged in this case.
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  Speaker 3: That's how close he was to it. Now, when you
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  Speaker 3: think about that, level of government being involved in a
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  Speaker 3: green energy scam that stole more than half a million
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  Speaker 3: dollars from the taxpayers.
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  Speaker 2: That's the real fox of this story.
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  Speaker 3: You know, Levaughn and Jacob came up with a pretty
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  Speaker 3: good way to easily steal money. The people around the
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  Speaker 3: case are more dangerous to me because they have the
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  Speaker 3: keys to the kingdom, i e. You know, powerful positions
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  Speaker 3: in the government.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're just getting started. Please do not move.
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  Speaker 1: There is more with Michelle McFee coming up next. The
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  Speaker 1: name of the podcast Kingdom of Fraud. We are back
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  Speaker 1: with Michelle McFee. Now I have to ask the question
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  Speaker 1: because this comes up so early in the podcast The Lion.
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  Speaker 1: The Lion teams up and everything starts happening here and
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  Speaker 1: Jacob's life begins to turn, twist, spin, go upside down.
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  Speaker 1: But yet it still looks pretty cool.
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  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 1: It's like, you know, I, I this is going to
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  Speaker 1: age me. I was there for the Iran contra affair.
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  Speaker 1: The Irane countra affair doesn't seem big enough to even
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  Speaker 1: fit into this. This looks huge and it's just starting
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  Speaker 1: to unravel. Now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't even have all the facts, you know,
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  Speaker 3: Baron Fork Moths, the billionaire in Turkey just yesterday. It
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  Speaker 3: looks like they took all of his companies away from him. Now,
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  Speaker 3: remember this guy went on the lamb, He fled, He
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  Speaker 3: was found up in a fancy hotel in Amsterdam. He
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  Speaker 3: was pulled off a massage table, and he was brought
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  Speaker 3: to Utah where he was sitting in a dank county
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  Speaker 3: jail cell. But in the dead and night one day
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  Speaker 3: he disappears, like even the jail couldn't tell me where
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  Speaker 3: he went.
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  Speaker 2: Suddenly he appears. He's in New York and he is the.
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  Speaker 3: Prime witness slated to testify against Eric Adams, the New
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  Speaker 3: York City Mayor, about some of the deals he was
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  Speaker 3: making was Turkish officials in New York City.
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  Speaker 2: That case goes away. Where is barn Fork Motts.
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  Speaker 3: Is he ever going to be brought to trial for
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  Speaker 3: the money laundering charges that are still hanging over his
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  Speaker 3: head in Utah connected to this case? I doubt it,
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  Speaker 3: because clearly he made a deal. I'll give you all
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  Speaker 3: my belongings, I'll give you all my billions, Let me walk.
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  Speaker 2: He easily google that guy and.
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  Speaker 3: Find him on Twitter, just hanging around New York City,
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  Speaker 3: and he's clearly a CIA asset who had, you know,
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  Speaker 3: ties to people as high up as James Woolsey. You know,
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  Speaker 3: it's interesting. I wrote a book about the Boston Marathon bombing.
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  Speaker 3: In the book, which is called Mayhem, I uncovered unraveled
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  Speaker 3: proof that Tamlin's and I was working as a CIA
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  Speaker 3: and FBI asset before the bombing. Now that's not why
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  Speaker 3: the bombing happened. Let me assure you, it's too complicated
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  Speaker 3: to get into. But the Boston Marathon bombing brothers got
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  Speaker 3: into the country via Ancora, Turkey. The CIA station chief
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  Speaker 3: son in law was their uncle, Bruce Lon Sarney. So
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  Speaker 3: the Boston Marathon bombing uncle was married to the daughter
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  Speaker 3: of a CIA station chief in Turkey.
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  Speaker 2: That's how they got into the country. Bram Fuller is
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  Speaker 2: all over the Boston Marathon bombing case.
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  Speaker 3: Guess who else was a call to testify in this
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  Speaker 3: case in the Kingdom of fraud? Ram Fuller because he
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  Speaker 3: had ties to all the money that was flowing through Turkey.
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  Speaker 2: So the CIA is all over this case.
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  Speaker 3: And that's one of the things that I think, you know,
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  Speaker 3: we could explore a little bit more after this season
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  Speaker 3: of Kingdom of Fraud is completed. But I'm so happy
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  Speaker 3: to hear that you are in arrow. I mean, you're
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  Speaker 3: like popped on the podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Well, because it's theater of the mind, me and I knew,
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  Speaker 1: and I have to keep telling myself this is really
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  Speaker 1: going on, This really did happen. But inside my mind,
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  Speaker 1: I feel like what my father would say, this is
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  Speaker 1: a modern day Western. It's almost like where's Billy the Kid?
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  Speaker 1: Where's Matt Damon in this? Because I know Matt Damon's
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  Speaker 1: going to play a character somewhere in this movie. And
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  Speaker 1: I mean it sounds like too hollywood to be actually real.
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  Speaker 1: And that's why I have to keep reminding myself, this
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  Speaker 1: is the real deal. That's the glue, that's the attraction.
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  Speaker 3: Well to your lips, from your lips to Gad's eas
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  Speaker 3: are Matt Damon and Ben Affleck being a part of
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  Speaker 3: this because it's a natural for them.
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  Speaker 2: The problem is I have had pitched meanings.
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  Speaker 3: Even my management company, They're like, well, what is the story?
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  Speaker 2: How do you get into the story. It's so big
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  Speaker 2: and sprawling.
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  Speaker 3: You have to really just kind of phone in on
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  Speaker 3: what's what's the part of the story that you.
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  Speaker 2: Could tell in a movie and adn't think about it.
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  Speaker 2: What is the story?
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  Speaker 3: Is it the the unlikely love story that happened between
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  Speaker 3: Jacob Kingston's third wife and Lev the lion Derman that
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  Speaker 3: you know, the women who rated out Jacob Kingston from
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  Speaker 3: the order?
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  Speaker 2: How do we get into the story? And it's so
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  Speaker 2: big and sprawling. I think that's.
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  Speaker 3: Why Hollywood is like, I don't know, but hopefully we
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  Speaker 3: can make it happen.
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  Speaker 1: I would love to be a fly on the wall
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  Speaker 1: inside your office because I just have this feeling inside
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  Speaker 1: my heart because I know what it's like to when
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  Speaker 1: you when you research something and something that you did
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  Speaker 1: not expect comes up. You're like no, no, no, no, no, no,
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  Speaker 1: no no no, and then you've got to fact check everything.
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  Speaker 1: You're going, oh my god, and then you feel like
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  Speaker 1: that you're on your way. I mean, I just can't
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  Speaker 1: imagine the words you're using as you keep uncovered stuff.
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  Speaker 2: You know, It's funny.
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  Speaker 3: My whole brain is like a string wall, right, Like
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  Speaker 3: I have these like bizarre connections that no one else
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  Speaker 3: sees like.
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  Speaker 2: So it's believe.
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  Speaker 3: Me, it's not easy to be my friend because I
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  Speaker 3: am always going on about well do you know that
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  Speaker 3: that guy, Barron Forkbots ties to this guy, the ties
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  Speaker 3: of this guy, the ties of this guy, and people's
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  Speaker 3: heads want to explode.
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  Speaker 2: But I feel like you understand that way of thinking.
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  Speaker 3: Once you realize look for me, the corruption is one thing,
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  Speaker 3: the fact that they were so easily were able to
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  Speaker 3: steal so much money from us, the taxpayer.
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  Speaker 2: Look in the mirror when.
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  Speaker 3: We were all struggling, when we have no dough, when
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  Speaker 3: gas in la is seven bucks. It's like it was
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  Speaker 3: so easy for the government to just hand our money
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  Speaker 3: to criminals. But more importantly, there were people who were
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  Speaker 3: getting paid by US substantial sums of money to protect
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  Speaker 3: the nation, to protect our homeland security, and they were
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  Speaker 3: doing fight the opposite. They were padding their pockets and
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  Speaker 3: walking around found you know, Las Vegas, snorting lines with
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  Speaker 3: hookers and wearing Buccie belts, which was one of the allegations.
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  Speaker 1: Don't you think though that prior of the attraction. And
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  Speaker 1: I would love to talk with other men listeners who
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  Speaker 1: are getting into this as well as women. And I
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  Speaker 1: would like to know if if during the podcast, as
• 16:17
  Speaker 1: you go from episode to episode, if you're not sitting
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: there going I wonder what I would do, and because
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you give it to us, you would? We
• 16:24
  Speaker 1: would we trade our our credentials in for a piece
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  Speaker 1: of the pie. I can't answer that because it's not
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  Speaker 1: here in front of me, and I don't want to
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  Speaker 1: answer that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, it's a fascinating story.
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  Speaker 3: Look if you have Bob Brumlin and you know where
• 16:39
  Speaker 3: there is I don't know, three hundred and three gold
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  Speaker 3: bars buried in the desert, and you know you pissed
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: at your boss and you feel like they're not recognizing
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  Speaker 3: you for your work, and you say, hey, let me
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: take this to a guy who has a private jet
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  Speaker 3: and an army of you know, paid bodyguards that.
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  Speaker 2: Can help us go get it. I mean, maybe it.
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  Speaker 3: Is attractive to do something like that, But what I
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  Speaker 3: do know that it was easy. And that's the part
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  Speaker 3: that is the most alarming, how easy it was to
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  Speaker 3: these guys to steal, and how little protections are put
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  Speaker 3: in place to make sure these green energy initiatives don't
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  Speaker 3: go so badly.
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  Speaker 1: Awrove, you know you're gonna be called up to the
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  Speaker 1: stand when this thing finally goes to court because you've
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  Speaker 1: done all the hard work and the dedication. Someone's gonna
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: be knocking on your door, going can I see your notes?
• 17:23
  Speaker 1: Or they're gonna subpoena your notes and they're gonna they're
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: gonna get dirt because you you're going in and then
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: you have to edit all this stuff in a podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Well, don't think that I don't protect on my notebook,
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  Speaker 2: I hope.
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  Speaker 3: So, yeah, those are in places there. They might as
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: well be buried in the desert in the Vila.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because you're getting valuable information that actually could take
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  Speaker 1: someone down. I I God, dang, I don't know how
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: you've got the guts to do this.
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  Speaker 3: Well, let me just say on the record, I'm not suicidal,
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: just in case of befall any accidents coming up. And
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: you brought up the Iran contra affair, remember, I'm sorry. No,
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: we were talking about the Iran contractor affair earlier and
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: the journalist who broke that story died of two gunshot
• 18:14
  Speaker 3: wounds to the head. It's a great movie with Jeremy
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: Ramer called Kill the Messenger, And you know that's in
• 18:21
  Speaker 3: the edict.
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  Speaker 2: The CIA has.
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  Speaker 3: A rule that says if can't kill the message, kill
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: the messenger, and not physically all the time, but they
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: do it by damaging a reputation, causing you upheaval in
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: your life, doing things that will pass you in a
• 18:36
  Speaker 3: bad light, destroying your reputation.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Those things are true.
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: Man, twenty minutes with you is just not enough. But
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: this is why everybody needs to go to your podcast,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Kingdom of Fraud, because because you really have showcased something
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: here that is actual. Is this is not clickbait. This
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: is something that is really going on. And like you
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: clarified before with those new golds a bar or those
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: bars of gold in Virginia. Oh my god, this is
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: just starting and they've got to get into this podcast
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: to really follow along.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much. I mean I feel like
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: you and I would be bessies. We'll have to meet
• 19:09
  Speaker 3: up in Montana one time.
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  Speaker 2: Let's do it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's make it happen, because I'm sure we could dig
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: up some dirt in Montana. There's something underneath those cow pies.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I'll tell you what.
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  Speaker 3: I think that there's something in all the Californians who
• 19:20
  Speaker 3: are rowing in Montana.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Oh God, you're so I love your heart. Please come
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: back to this show anytime in the future. The door
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: is always going to be open for you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, Thank you so much for having me and I
• 19:32
  Speaker 3: am a fan, so thank you so much.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: You'd be brilliant today. Okay, you too.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you, Errol, thank you