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Speaker 1: Is the good board. Tonight, John Howard joins the election
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Speaker 1: campaign with the telling sledge of the Prime Minister.
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Speaker 2: The description I would make of the Prime Minister is
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Speaker 2: that he is out of his depths.
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Speaker 1: I stealing p Monique Ryan in even more trouble in
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Speaker 1: the War of the Signs, and Peter Dunton fires up
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Speaker 1: after a slow start and sends Donald Trump a warning.
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Speaker 1: Also tonight, Australia's sleep walks, while Sweden prepares bombshelters against
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Speaker 1: the Russian attack, and Germany sends soldiers of the Russian
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Speaker 1: border for the first time since World War Two? Aren't
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Speaker 1: our leaders talking about this stuff and the shooting of
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Speaker 1: our wild Brumbies. One of my panels went up to
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Speaker 1: the snowy mountains for a week and it's come back fuming.
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Speaker 1: But first I must show you some brilliant spin from
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Speaker 1: today how to full voters reporters too with nothing but
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Speaker 1: bull Now, you've got to hand it to the Labour's
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Speaker 1: campaign team. They could. They're trying to sell a government
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Speaker 1: that's actually given Australians lower living standards, high inflation, a
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Speaker 1: trillion dollar debt and unaffordable housing for the young, which
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Speaker 1: is a tough sell. So what do you do instead?
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Speaker 1: Will you watch this a master class of spin early
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Speaker 1: this morning promise and Anthony Albany's set the day's news
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Speaker 1: agenda with this post on X News. Labor is pushing
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Speaker 1: for a real pay rise for around three million workers
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Speaker 1: and good evans. A pay raise, you say, from labor?
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Speaker 1: Incredible for some TV news outlets fell for it, like
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Speaker 1: Channel nine promise Albanizi pledgers pay rise above inflation for
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Speaker 1: low paid workers under labor a pledge, a promise in
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Speaker 1: Channel seven Rember that too.
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Speaker 3: To that big pledge to boost the packets of Australia's
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Speaker 3: lowest paid workers. Anthony Albanesi courting voters by fighting back
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Speaker 3: against the high cost of living.
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Speaker 4: Making a new promise to increase the minimum wage from
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Speaker 4: twenty four dollars and ten cents.
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Speaker 1: Amazing, What a hero albany is he promising to pay
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Speaker 1: millions of Australia's more money fighting costs the living with
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Speaker 1: this promise. But wait a minute, with what it's a
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Speaker 1: promise with what money? Who's money? How, folks, it's a
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Speaker 1: con Albaniazi did not make any promise to increase wages
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Speaker 1: because it's got no money for that. All that he
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Speaker 1: did was say he would ask someone else, an independent body,
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Speaker 1: Fair Work Australia to consider in its annual rage wage
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Speaker 1: review to make bosses pay extra for workers on the
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Speaker 1: minimum wage. And Fair Work Australia might do what he wants.
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Speaker 1: It might not do what he wants. It's independent. It's
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Speaker 1: not Albanese's call at all. He doesn't even know exactly
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Speaker 1: what it'll ask for. Has became clear today.
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Speaker 5: We have never put figures on our submissions. Obviously they
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Speaker 5: will take into account what the economic circumstances are in this,
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Speaker 5: but it's very clear we want a real wage increase.
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Speaker 1: How can churn us fall for this stuff? You know
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Speaker 1: it's easy for Albaniz he making these promises. Are you
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Speaker 1: could ask for whatever he likes from Fair Work Australia.
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Speaker 1: You know, I why not make it all look one
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Speaker 1: hundred dollars a week more, because it's not. It really
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Speaker 1: is call and it's not human to have to pay
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Speaker 1: for it anyway. It's business, particularly small business, we must pay.
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Speaker 1: We'll have to find the cash for the wage rises
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Speaker 1: that Albanize has supposedly pledged, supposedly promised, and they then
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Speaker 1: have to somehow still not go broke albnies. He doesn't
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Speaker 1: need to do anything at all to make this happens,
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Speaker 1: just trying to look like the hero of the working class,
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Speaker 1: unlike that terrible Peter Dutton, although Dunton quickly responded by
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Speaker 1: making much the same empty call, while also pointing out
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Speaker 1: that actually what was really hurting the poor was rising costs.
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Speaker 6: Where without economic advice from Treasury and from finance. But
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Speaker 6: our position is that we want higher wages and we
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Speaker 6: want to make sure that we've got downward pressure on costs.
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Speaker 1: Now point this out, not just to show you how
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Speaker 1: empty and tricky the labor campaign is and how gullible
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Speaker 1: the media is talk about Albany is he last week
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Speaker 1: another stunt blaming supermarkets for higher prices, promising to ban
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Speaker 1: pricecourging Batam another cheap and meaningless promise, because eight inquiries
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Speaker 1: so far have not been able to find any examples
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Speaker 1: of this supposed price scouging by the supermarkets, not even
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Speaker 1: the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission report just a couple
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Speaker 1: of weeks ago. And that, of course is why the
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Speaker 1: head of Richie's IgA Supermarkets is a great one. In
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Speaker 1: the next town from here there I always go to.
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Speaker 1: That's why the head of the riches are saying Albani's
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Speaker 1: is price scouging claims. They are a slur against supermarkets,
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Speaker 1: like is he said to label the supermarkets as price
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Speaker 1: gouges and continue with that language after that. A triple
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Speaker 1: C report is inflaming the stress and angst against our
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Speaker 1: industry and is not the truth. It makes people think
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Speaker 1: we're ripping them off. But the only ripoff is of
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Speaker 1: voters is of of course, people at the shops who
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Speaker 1: find the prices rising. They should actually be blaming the
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Speaker 1: Albanizi government for that, for spending too much and making
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Speaker 1: inflation worse, which brings me to the real issue here
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Speaker 1: the Albanies. The government's pitch is actually all about how
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Speaker 1: to cut a shrinking pie, you know, like here, having
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Speaker 1: an electricity handout paid by your own taxes because labor
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Speaker 1: has made power process too expensive. Have a rental subsidy
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Speaker 1: because labor is actually imported a million immigrants and made
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Speaker 1: housing to affordable. And now, of course will someone else
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Speaker 1: the force bossors to pay you more to tackle the
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Speaker 1: costs of living that we can't handle. What Labour's campaign
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Speaker 1: is not about is how to make a bigger pie.
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Speaker 1: How to make Australia more productive, How to help Australian
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Speaker 1: businesses get cracking, how to attract more investment, how to
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Speaker 1: unlock more supplies to the coal and gas and uranium
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Speaker 1: that we need. No Labour's plans for low growth and
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Speaker 1: high taxes for a weaker Australia. We deserve better. We
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Speaker 1: certainly deserve better than this. Spin got to say the
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Speaker 1: Preme Minister was out of his comfort zone. Today has
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Speaker 1: been looking quite up lately, but today this is because
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Speaker 1: he was in Victoria. What a basket case? And why
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Speaker 1: because a labor government, the state one, has driven it broke.
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Speaker 1: So you've got record crime, which explains something about today.
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Speaker 1: Earlier in the week in Western Australia, Anthony Albanzi was
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Speaker 1: very happy to be rubbing shoulders and cracking jokes with
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Speaker 1: a very popular labor premier there, Roger Cook. And then
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Speaker 1: in South Australia, yes, so he was very happy to
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Speaker 1: use very popular labor Premier Peter Malanowskis. But today in
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Speaker 1: Victoria Albanizi treated the desperately unpopular labor premier Justinterallen like
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Speaker 1: a leper, didn't invite her, stayed well clear of her.
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Speaker 1: Wasn't happy to have a journalist point out, Hey, just Interallen,
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Speaker 1: she's not with you.
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Speaker 7: You were in Victoria without the Premier Victoria by side,
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Speaker 7: he might say her today.
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Speaker 5: But you've had two premiers in the last couple of
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Speaker 5: days by a side earlier in the day parliament sitting.
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Speaker 8: That's this little thing called parliament, Paul.
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Speaker 9: That be taken as a sign of the lack of
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Speaker 9: conference in her government.
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Speaker 2: The answer to that is no.
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Speaker 5: I work closely with all state and territory governments, all
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Speaker 5: of them, and I have a good relationship with every
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Speaker 5: premier and Chief Minister, including to Cinder Allan.
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Speaker 1: Well Essin. Allen also offered excuses for not showing up
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Speaker 1: next to him.
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Speaker 10: I'm not here to talk about the Prime minister's forward schedule. Frankly,
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Speaker 10: I am more focused and I think Victorians would expect
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Speaker 10: me to be much more focused on the issues that
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Speaker 10: are important to them.
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Speaker 1: Dear politics. Joining me is the political panel Cameron Milner
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Speaker 1: for the Chief of Stuff for Labor, Lady Bill Shorten
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Speaker 1: now Director of g XO Strategies, and Micael Costs there
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Speaker 1: former New South Wales Labor treasure Cameron. Victoria's a basket
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Speaker 1: case because it's spent too much, wracked up the record debts.
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Speaker 1: In fact, the debt is one of the worst that
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Speaker 1: any state in the developed world outside America has ever contracted,
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Speaker 1: was contracted now and of course it's now going to
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Speaker 1: cut public servants. Is this a glimpse of our future
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Speaker 1: under more Albanese labor government in Canberra as well?
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Speaker 11: Well, I mean Albanese is already heading towards a trillion
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Speaker 11: dollars are trillion dollars of federal debt. But I like
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Speaker 11: that clip before Andrew where he was mister happy in
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Speaker 11: South Australia and mister snappy.
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Speaker 1: When it came to Victoria. Why because Victorian's are voting
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Speaker 1: against him in droves.
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Speaker 11: He knows there's four to eight seats which will put
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Speaker 11: him into minority government in Victoria alone. And that's a
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Speaker 11: revolt against Albo. It's a revolved against Alan but especially
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Speaker 11: a revolt against Daniel Andrews and those horrible COVID lockdowns
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Speaker 11: that still don't have a Royal Commission into the MAREW.
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Speaker 11: So there's a long legacy here of Labor letting Victorians down.
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Speaker 11: At Albow's the next cap off the rank on May three,
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Speaker 11: and Victorians know that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I've got to say the resolve Pol Michael
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Speaker 1: showed that the labor vote, the federal labor vote in
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Speaker 1: Victoria was three points down on the vote in its
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Speaker 1: voting New South Wales. So clearly labor in Victoria's dragging
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Speaker 1: the government down. But I do wonder if it's also
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Speaker 1: Victoria is an insight into where we're going with policies
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Speaker 1: that are spend, spend, spend and not grow grow grow.
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Speaker 8: Well, I think there's no doubt you can draw a
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Speaker 8: parallel between the fiscal mismanagement of Victoria and the federal government.
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Speaker 8: You know, that interest rate hold yesterday just shows that.
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Speaker 8: And we did speculate many months ago that that would
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Speaker 8: actually be a negative for the government because now it's
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Speaker 8: going to a five week election campaign with no prospect
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Speaker 8: of any interest rate decreases based on its fiscal mismanagement,
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Speaker 8: you know, the debt and the budget deficits, and you
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Speaker 8: know he's going to wear that. It's a talking point.
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Speaker 8: He hasn't got any longer in terms of the national
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Speaker 8: fiscal position, and yes, Victoria would just reflect that and
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Speaker 8: fortify that perception amongst the public.
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Speaker 1: Now, Cameron, this is going to be a challenge I
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Speaker 1: think for Peter Dutton Tomorrow. Tomorrow is what Donald Trump
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Speaker 1: calls Liberation Day. I'm not quite sure why it's got
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Speaker 1: that tital, but it is the day when the US
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Speaker 1: President is going to announce more tariffs on imports to America,
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Speaker 1: probably including tariffs on Australian imports. How damaging will that be?
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Speaker 1: Don't just mean to Peter dun to Australia because we
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Speaker 1: don't export that much to America, but how damaging would
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Speaker 1: it be to Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 11: Well, Trump's going to be the cycle throughout this whole
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Speaker 11: federal election campaign, as we know, Andrew, We've discussed that
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Speaker 11: before they're actually even started. So Trump's going to have
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Speaker 11: an effect, and tomorrow is going to be a big effect.
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Speaker 11: The difference I think is that is that we're going
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Speaker 11: to see weak albow week Albo respond to whatever Trump's
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Speaker 11: craziness is tomorrow, and what Dutt needs to do is
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Speaker 11: come out and be the strong leader that voters have
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Speaker 11: actually thought he was and need to see again if
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Speaker 11: he's got any chance between now and May three.
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Speaker 1: But that means, Michael that he has to take on
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump pretty directly because right now, Labor's trying to
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Speaker 1: pin the Donald Trump logo on Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 8: There's no doubt he's got the response. Whoever responds the
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Speaker 8: strongest to whatever occurs tomorrow is really going to be
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Speaker 8: in a prime political position. And Peter Dunnan's got more
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Speaker 8: effect in terms of the impact of this than Albo
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Speaker 8: has in that sense. But I also worried too, Andrew
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Speaker 8: about Dutton's general response. I saw the interview on Sky
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Speaker 8: today and I thought he was very weak. Somebody in
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Speaker 8: his office has told him to act prime ministerial. I
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Speaker 8: think he's reading the electorate wrong. It's up to him
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Speaker 8: to take the issue up, so he has to come
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Speaker 8: out very strong to make the case that I vote
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Speaker 8: for the Alps, of vote for the Greens and their policies,
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Speaker 8: you know, banning cars, petrol cars and diesel cars. He's
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Speaker 8: got really got to get the mongrel back into him,
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Speaker 8: because I just fear that somebody's told him to tone
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Speaker 8: down the image and that's the worst thing he can do.
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Speaker 1: Oh. I tend to agree with that. Look, if you've
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Speaker 1: got a negative, try to turn it into a positive,
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Speaker 1: don't try to deny it. Bill Shorten made the mistake
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Speaker 1: of trying to deny that turn what's supposedly being too
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Speaker 1: tough and mean into strong. That's what you should do,
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Speaker 1: I think Cameron, it's been a strange campaign, Labor making
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Speaker 1: a campaign out of nothing issues like you know this
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Speaker 1: promise today we're going to we're going to ask someone
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Speaker 1: else to give someone other workers money that will be
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Speaker 1: paid by bosses, not by us. I mean it's just
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Speaker 1: complete nonsense and just going Medica medica and medica, medica
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Speaker 1: and medica with a fake claim that the Liberals would
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Speaker 1: you tear up your Medicare card. What have been the
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Speaker 1: big moments so far of this strange campaign for you? Well,
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Speaker 1: I think there's two moments.
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Speaker 11: What is this bizarre situation we've got where Angus Taylor's
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Speaker 11: gone out and said he'll actually stand against the tax
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Speaker 11: cut for Australians. I mean Australians might not like five dollars,
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Speaker 11: but they still want five dollars in their pocket than
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Speaker 11: five dollars an alba to waste. So that's the first thing.
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Speaker 11: The second though, and to Peter Dutton's credit, he went
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Speaker 11: to Thagaminda forty eight hours ago, which has been flooded
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Speaker 11: an area of the size of Victoria is currently under flood.
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Speaker 11: No prime minister, no deputy prime minister, no one's seen
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Speaker 11: from Albow's team. But Peter Dutton took time out of
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Speaker 11: the campaign trail go and talk to people who were
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Speaker 11: suffering from some of the worst floods in fifty years
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Speaker 11: in Queensland. And I think that's one of the moments
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Speaker 11: in the campaign that should be remembered.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I thought it was weird that they didn't the
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Speaker 1: Liberals didn't say that we will also pass this tax
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Speaker 1: cut as small as it is, instead abolishing it because
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Speaker 1: the next Senate after the election will not abolish that tax.
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Speaker 1: They're going to live with it if they win a
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Speaker 1: government anyway. So I don't know why they promis what
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Speaker 1: they can't deliver. Michael, what did you make? What do
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Speaker 1: you think is the big moment so far out of
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Speaker 1: the campaign.
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Speaker 8: Well again, I'll come back to that interest rate hole yesterday.
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Speaker 8: I think that changes the dynamic on the economy. I mean,
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Speaker 8: you know, they were they had a real step the
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Speaker 8: government in relation to saying look all our policies are
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Speaker 8: working and interest rates are heading down. Well they're not
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Speaker 8: heading down. This allows Plea Dutton to attack the budget deficit,
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Speaker 8: as I said, the debt. It also allows him to
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Speaker 8: focus in on this issue of the vote for labor
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Speaker 8: being the vote for the Greens and all of their policies.
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Speaker 8: And remember, you know the ground is so fertile there.
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Speaker 8: I just raised that issue about banning SUVs and diesels
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Speaker 8: and things that Australians want. But there's also electricity cul
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Speaker 8: fired power stations. Then there's also defense spending. I think
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Speaker 8: these are the issues that he's now able to capitalize
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Speaker 8: on because really underpinning all of this is the cost
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Speaker 8: of living and the government story on the cost of
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Speaker 8: living has just been blown out of the water. We've
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Speaker 8: got five weeks where they've got no ability to argue
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Speaker 8: the cost of living is coming down.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, there was interesting that. One good promise I thought
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Speaker 1: from the coalition was to say that they would not
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Speaker 1: enforce the phones of companies that didn't sell enough electric
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Speaker 1: vehicles under its submission standards things. I think they'll help
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Speaker 1: drive prevent car prices from going up. So that's great.
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Speaker 1: I think what do you make of that one, Cameron?
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Speaker 11: Well, I think Dutton's got thirty twenty eight days left
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Speaker 11: now to get back to cost of living.
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Speaker 1: Cost living.
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Speaker 11: Cost of living, that's the central issue of concern the
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Speaker 11: voters and that's what people want to hear a solution to.
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Speaker 8: Now.
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Speaker 11: Peter Dutton did that with the elbow voice when everyone
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Speaker 11: said it wasn't possible and Albo is going to wipe
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Speaker 11: the floor with the albow voice. Dutton stood up strong,
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Speaker 11: freeze values and articulate an argument to Australians and he
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Speaker 11: won every single state national vote and every single state.
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Speaker 11: He needs to do the same on cost of living.
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Speaker 11: He needs to get down to the basics of that.
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Speaker 11: And I think to your point, Michael, in an earlier program,
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Speaker 11: he needs to come up with an income tax cut.
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Speaker 11: He actually needs to change this conversation up for Australians
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Speaker 11: with a real income tax cut, not the five dollars
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Speaker 11: we've received last week.
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Speaker 1: I don't think they've got any money for that. I
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Speaker 1: don't think they've shot that one, but who knows. Maybe
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Speaker 1: they're going to surprise us in the end after all.
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Speaker 1: Cameron Milner, Michael Costa, thank you very much to you both.
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Speaker 1: Now I have to say that Peter Dutton has at
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Speaker 1: last reacted to a real threat that we talked about
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Speaker 1: to his campaign, a threat from right field for weeks
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Speaker 1: have worn here that Donald Trump is hurting Peter Dutton,
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Speaker 1: hurting the coalition, hurting conservative leaders around the world. Actually
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Speaker 1: both association by making also left wing leaders look more patriotic.
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Speaker 1: By standing up to Trump's bullying and his tariffs and
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Speaker 1: his threats. The Canadian lift wing government has gone from
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Speaker 1: unelectable to favorites in their election campaign because of Donald Trump,
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Speaker 1: and now Beliezi has also recovered in the poll since
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Speaker 1: Trump hit Australia tarifs on a steal in owluminium and
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Speaker 1: we're more likely tomorrow he could really clean up. And
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Speaker 1: labor ministers have been rubbing in this association, this alleged
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Speaker 1: association with Trump by claiming Donald Peter Dutton is a
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Speaker 1: mini Donald Trump. Peter Dutton is going to back Trump
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Speaker 1: over Australia.
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Speaker 12: This is Dojie Dutton taking his cues, his instructions, and
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Speaker 12: his policies straight from the US in a way that
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Speaker 12: will make Australians worse off.
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Speaker 5: We don't have to adopt all of America's policies.
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Speaker 1: It's all bull of course. But finally the Opposunity leader
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Speaker 1: has realized Trump is huarding him and in an interview
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Speaker 1: earlier today with our Sky News political edit, Andrew Clenell
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Speaker 1: got stuck in.
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Speaker 6: Ultimately, what people want is a prime minister who can
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Speaker 6: stand up for our and what they've seen in Anthony
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Speaker 6: Albanezi is somebody who doesn't have the strength or the
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Speaker 6: backbone or the will to stand up for our country's interests.
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Speaker 1: He can't stand up to China at the moment with
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Speaker 1: Donald Trump.
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Speaker 6: If I needed to have a fight with Donald Trump
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Speaker 6: or any other world leader to advance our nation's interests,
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Speaker 6: I do it in a heartbeat. I'm not going to
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Speaker 6: allow the President of the United States, or the Prime
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Speaker 6: Minister of the United Kingdom or anyone else to.
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Speaker 1: Walk over me or to walk over our country.
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Speaker 6: But at the moment they see a prime minister who
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Speaker 6: was weak and flapping in the breeze. And that's why
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Speaker 6: Donald Trump has been able to stand all over Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 6: Now I won't stand for that.
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Speaker 1: Joining me is Andrew Clarnel Andrew a great interview. How
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Speaker 1: much do you think Trump is hurting Peter dut and
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Speaker 1: why didn't he respond a little earlier? Well, often they
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Speaker 1: wait for what they hear in the focus groups.
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Speaker 7: Frankly, Andrew and I think the other issue for Peter
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Speaker 7: Dutton is he needs to keep the conservative base that
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Speaker 7: vote those who might go to one nation.
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Speaker 1: He needs a high.
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Speaker 7: Liberal primary vote because he can't afford that vote leaking
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Speaker 7: in preferences to Labor. So there's a lot of Conservatives
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Speaker 7: who would have celebrated Donald Trump's victory in Australia. How
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Speaker 7: ironic then that it could shift things a couple of
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Speaker 7: percent Peter Dutt for Peter Dutton, which would stop him
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Speaker 7: getting to the lodge or having a chance of getting
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Speaker 7: to the lodge in same minority government. I mean, when
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Speaker 7: it's a close election like this, more things do matter.
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Speaker 7: And we had Laura Jay's doing Box pops out in
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Speaker 7: the seat of Robertson the marginal seat today where a
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Speaker 7: lady compared Peter Dutton to Donald Trump. Labor believes they
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Speaker 7: can make this comparison. They think when he says things
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Speaker 7: like I'm looking to cut heads in the education department,
20:44
Speaker 7: that they can tie him to what Trump's doing. And
20:47
Speaker 7: Trump is unpopular amongst a lot of Australians. So your
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Speaker 7: spot on in saying this has emerged crazily from my
20:55
Speaker 7: point of view, to be an election issue for Peter
20:58
Speaker 7: Dutton when a few months ago you might have at
21:00
Speaker 7: Anthony Albanese's inability to get a phone call would be
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Speaker 7: a negative in this campaign. A phone call with President
21:07
Speaker 7: Trump would be a negative in this campaign for Anthony Albanesi.
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Speaker 7: It's amazing how these kind of issues can flip. So
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Speaker 7: in this response and I was a little surprised by it.
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Speaker 1: I was pleased.
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Speaker 7: From a news value point of view, I knew it
21:18
Speaker 7: to be a big story. You can see that Peter
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Speaker 7: Duttony is trying to tell Australians. Look, I'm not going
21:25
Speaker 7: to suck up to this guy. I'm not going to
21:27
Speaker 7: be some sort of puppet for this guy. We're still
21:30
Speaker 7: going to get our nuclear submarines even if I take
21:32
Speaker 7: him on, and I will take him on. And don't
21:34
Speaker 7: forget the timing of this to Andrew, because the day
21:36
Speaker 7: before tomorrow morning out time, Donald Trump will have made
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Speaker 7: his decision on tarifs. And from what Anthony Albanese's saying,
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Speaker 7: it doesn't sound like Australia is getting any sort of exemption.
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Speaker 1: Oh I doubt that we will. But this is the
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Speaker 1: whole thing I thought, the Trump thing, and I've said
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Speaker 1: it for some time that The real message of the
21:55
Speaker 1: Trump thing is not a revolution. It's not to say
21:58
Speaker 1: a Trump's our man. I think a lot of cir
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Speaker 1: called conservatives in Australia have lost their heads on that.
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Speaker 1: It is to say the public wants someone who's going
22:07
Speaker 1: to fight to make their country come first, like Donald
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Speaker 1: Trump is fighting for America. It's not to ape Trump.
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Speaker 1: It's to say, listen, make Australia great again. And that
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Speaker 1: involves bang. What would Trump do if he was a
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Speaker 1: Prome minister here with a guy like him in Washington,
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Speaker 1: He'd go for the throat. That's what he does, stand
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Speaker 1: up for Australia, and I think Dutton, if he refines
22:30
Speaker 1: that message, can win. Yeah.
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Speaker 7: Well there's no doubt. When you're behind as he is
22:38
Speaker 7: and the income it's got a lot more seats, you've
22:40
Speaker 7: got to take a few risks.
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Speaker 2: Now.
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Speaker 7: It's a bit like being way behind in an AFL game.
22:46
Speaker 7: You know you've got to come off your defenders and
22:48
Speaker 7: take the risk, or your defenders have to come off
22:51
Speaker 7: the forwards and try and push the ball forward and
22:53
Speaker 7: score more goals and take the risk you'll get goals
22:55
Speaker 7: kicked against you. So I think we're almost at that point.
22:59
Speaker 7: He can play it, say Peter Dutton, I think he
23:01
Speaker 7: is a bit and just we sort of close, but
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Speaker 7: he's got to get a lot closer even to win
23:08
Speaker 7: next time. So that you know, I've got a thought
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Speaker 7: both ways. Really, he can play it safe and sort
23:15
Speaker 7: of win a few seats and get closer for next time,
23:18
Speaker 7: or he can absolutely go for broke and risk that
23:21
Speaker 7: his position would get even worse. But I was quite
23:26
Speaker 7: surprised that they decided to repeal Labour's tax cuts, and
23:29
Speaker 7: I don't think it's a coincidence their numbers went down
23:31
Speaker 7: two points since then. So I think you got the
23:33
Speaker 7: combination of a better budget week for Labor compared to
23:37
Speaker 7: Peter Dutton's budget reply, the opposition opposing the tax cuts,
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Speaker 7: and now this Donald Trump effect, which we'll see.
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Speaker 1: More of with this tariff story. You've just got a
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Speaker 1: whole lot of.
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Speaker 7: Things that aren't going Peter Dutton's way at the worst
23:50
Speaker 7: possible time for him. At the moment, I guess it's
23:52
Speaker 7: not the worst of all possible times, because pre polling
23:56
Speaker 7: is not for a couple of weeks. He has time
23:58
Speaker 7: to gain some meat, but he needs some big policy
24:02
Speaker 7: to get hold of that momentum because at the moment
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Speaker 7: it seems like.
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Speaker 1: He's oh, yes, yeah, no, it's too soon to panic.
24:10
Speaker 1: But they do need to change the narrative from you know,
24:12
Speaker 1: how bad is Peter Dutton going? People who are? You know,
24:15
Speaker 1: they've got to give the median your narrative. And I
24:18
Speaker 1: think the only moment in the next few days it's
24:21
Speaker 1: likely to give that opportunity to Peter Dutton is the
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Speaker 1: debate on Sky next Tuesday. Not just blowing her own horn,
24:29
Speaker 1: I think is that it's going to be very, very
24:31
Speaker 1: important for Peter Dutton, don't you.
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Speaker 7: It was absolutely critical to Anthony Albanese's chances last time
24:40
Speaker 7: after he failed to a question from me to name
24:42
Speaker 7: the national unemployment rate and failed to name the cash
24:46
Speaker 7: right on day one of the campaign. But he was
24:48
Speaker 7: further ahead you'll remember, Andrew. That's kind of the difference.
24:52
Speaker 7: But he recovered in that forum, and let's face it,
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Speaker 7: he should win this debate.
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Speaker 1: Peter Dutton.
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Speaker 7: He's got a lot to work with, three years of labor,
24:58
Speaker 7: the Fouled Voice campaign, everyone's cost of living going way
25:04
Speaker 7: through the roof fifteen to twenty percent. He really needs
25:08
Speaker 7: to have a stellar performance on Tuesday. Night after the
25:12
Speaker 7: Albinezi of course has done this before. He hasn't, So
25:14
Speaker 7: that's why I think you know, it's must watch viewing
25:16
Speaker 7: if you're interested at all in this election, because it's
25:19
Speaker 7: really going to test both men out and that sort
25:22
Speaker 7: of thing. If you win, that People's Forum debate can
25:28
Speaker 7: really energize your entire campaign and everyone involved in it.
25:32
Speaker 7: It can turn the polls and it can get momentum
25:36
Speaker 7: starting to go your way.
25:37
Speaker 1: So you're absolutely right.
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Speaker 7: I totally agree with you. Tuesday night is a critical moment,
25:42
Speaker 7: one of the most critical moments in this election campaign.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't say that a lot of people will
25:49
Speaker 1: be watching and changing their minds on the What it
25:52
Speaker 1: will do is change the media reporting, will change the story,
25:56
Speaker 1: the narrative. Andrew Clenell, thank you so much indeed for
25:59
Speaker 1: your time after the break. Amazing two tier justice in
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Speaker 1: this country, a shocking new law against free speech with
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Speaker 1: different treatment depending on your race, religion or gender identity.
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Speaker 1: I say it again, Victoria has Australia's worst government, biggest debt,
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Speaker 1: record crime and from today to tier justice, a bit
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Speaker 1: of justice for you, a lot more for them, A
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Speaker 1: justice istem that treats you differently if you are a
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Speaker 1: member of a pet race, or religion or gender. In fact,
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Speaker 1: it's even worse than that. Victoria's Legisative Council last night
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Speaker 1: early this morning passed new laws against so called hate speech,
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Speaker 1: laws not just against abusing people because of their race,
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Speaker 1: but because of the religion, or their gender, or the
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Speaker 1: sexuality or their disability. Maximum penalty five years jail. Only
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Speaker 1: one thing, Yet more laws against free speech that reasonly weaponize.
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Speaker 1: But worse is this. The Greens also convinced Labor to
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Speaker 1: agree to a change to force police in the courts
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Speaker 1: to take into account that supposed social, cultural, and historical
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Speaker 1: circumstances surrounding conduct that's claimed to be unlawful vilification, like
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Speaker 1: don't punish this person because they're a victim of white colonization,
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Speaker 1: or this person because they're a victim of evil Israeli occupation,
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Speaker 1: or whatever other tribal grievance that left can muster. As
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Speaker 1: the Greens explained, these safeguards prevent these laws from being misused,
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Speaker 1: especially against marginalized and over policed communities. Over police usually
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Speaker 1: means groups of people most likely to break the law
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Speaker 1: and therefore most likely to get police but they will
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Speaker 1: get now favorable treatment on the grounds of their race
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Speaker 1: or religion. And that's not even the end of it,
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Speaker 1: the end of a legal system. It used to boast
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Speaker 1: that justice was blind, as if it, you know, because
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Speaker 1: it treated everyone alike. This wicked new law will also
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Speaker 1: judge offensive language, not but the usual test, which is,
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Speaker 1: you know, whether a responsible person would consider it a
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Speaker 1: reasonable person rather would consider it hateful, just an average joe. No,
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Speaker 1: the test now for this law is whether a reasonable
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Speaker 1: person with the protected attribute will consider it hatred. And
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Speaker 1: let me explain what that means. If a busdim takes offense,
28:45
Speaker 1: it's something you say. The test now of whether you
28:49
Speaker 1: were offensive is what a reasonable Musulim would think, of
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Speaker 1: what the judge would consider to be a reasonable onsom
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Speaker 1: thinking in stereotypes. If activist takes offense is something you say,
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Speaker 1: The tests now is whether it's offensive. Of whether it's
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Speaker 1: offensive is what a reasonable gay person would think, again
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Speaker 1: thinking in stereotypes. So here again we're being tribalized. This
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Speaker 1: is tribal justice, which is why the state liberals, to
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Speaker 1: their credit, refuse to back these laws. Forget the reasonable
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Speaker 1: person test.
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Speaker 11: It is now going to be a question of subgroup
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Speaker 11: upon Subgravid's identity politics now written into.
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Speaker 1: Law joining us. Ron Dean, editor in chief of The
29:34
Speaker 1: Spectator Australia, hosts of Outsiders and Sky and Sundays at
29:37
Speaker 1: nine am, and hosts of his own show an excellent
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Speaker 1: one on Fridays at seven pm. Rowan, this is the
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Speaker 1: most extraordinary attack on our traditional legal principle that we
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Speaker 1: are judged as individuals for what we have done as individuals.
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Speaker 9: And as we know Andrew, the symbol of justice, of
30:00
Speaker 9: Western justice has always been the blind followed across and
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Speaker 9: the sword in one hand and the balanced scales in
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Speaker 9: the other hand of lady justice, and that you can
30:12
Speaker 9: only have a fair justice, or you can only have
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Speaker 9: justice full stop if it is blind, in other words,
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Speaker 9: if it doesn't take into account what just Center Allen
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Speaker 9: and the Victorians and others and the left call attributes
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Speaker 9: or protected attributes. These are things you were born with
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Speaker 9: and you kind of get rid of. In other words,
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Speaker 9: they are an automatic protection if you happen to be
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Speaker 9: of a privileged class. So this reverses the whole idea
30:38
Speaker 9: of privilege. If you're of a privileged class, you are
30:41
Speaker 9: literally above the law. You have a get out of
30:43
Speaker 9: jail free card, which is that while I belong to
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Speaker 9: this marginalized group, this victimized group, or whatever, therefore I
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Speaker 9: am entitled to be rude or offensive or break these
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Speaker 9: laws because I'm from a privileged class. The test or is, Andrew,
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Speaker 9: how does it play in reverse? So let's just take
31:03
Speaker 9: a purely academic I stress this is a hypothetical situation.
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Speaker 9: But there's a white person and a black person, or
31:11
Speaker 9: it could be a Muslim person and a Christian person,
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Speaker 9: or it could be a straight person and a gay person.
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Speaker 9: That doesn't matter. They're in the workplace together. One has
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Speaker 9: the attributes and the other doesn't have the attributes. They
31:23
Speaker 9: josh and make fun and crack jokes and all the rest.
31:27
Speaker 9: The hypothetical black guy says hey you white bastard, or
31:32
Speaker 9: hey you white fella or whatever. Da da da da,
31:35
Speaker 9: and you have the opposite. The white guy says, hey
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Speaker 9: you black fellaw or bastard or whatever. They're both joking.
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Speaker 9: They're both not meaning to make offense. But under these laws,
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Speaker 9: the white guy is guilty because it is likely. This
31:48
Speaker 9: is the other thing in the in this news legislation,
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Speaker 9: Andrew is the word likely it's likely to cause offense.
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Speaker 9: That's how high a threshold is likely to incite some
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Speaker 9: form of contempt, whereas it wouldn't work the other way round,
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Speaker 9: because the other way around the black guy who's offended
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Speaker 9: the white person is automatically protected because he has the
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Speaker 9: attributes to get out of jail free card as it were.
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Speaker 9: So the law is not equal. We now have two
32:14
Speaker 9: separate standards. And you cannot be found guilty if you
32:18
Speaker 9: are one group of people, and you will almost certainly
32:20
Speaker 9: be found guilty if you are another group of people,
32:23
Speaker 9: because it is likely that you have caused defense. So
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Speaker 9: and the test is not from the point of view
32:29
Speaker 9: of a reasonable Australian or a person. The test is
32:32
Speaker 9: from a reasonable person from that victimized group. So if
32:37
Speaker 9: you've called, if you've made a homopherbic joke or slur,
32:40
Speaker 9: it's not whether a reasonable person would find that it's offensive.
32:43
Speaker 9: It's whether a reasonable person from that marginalized group would
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Speaker 9: find the defensive, which is course far more likely.
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Speaker 1: That they would. And so we divide into tribes. There's
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Speaker 1: no one single standard anymore. This is just the ordinary stuff.
33:01
Speaker 1: Just quickly roan before I run out of evil Greens
33:05
Speaker 1: now showed earlyer this week Amus terrorists and our killing
33:09
Speaker 1: Palestine is organized protests against them us in Gaza. But
33:12
Speaker 1: when Green's leader Adam band was asked about that, he
33:15
Speaker 1: again shifted the blame to Israel, not a mass saying
33:18
Speaker 1: for the killing. So finally stopped the occupation of Palestine
33:21
Speaker 1: and the invasion of Gaza. Need to end the occupation
33:25
Speaker 1: of Palestine is the root cause of the conflict, So
33:27
Speaker 1: Israel's supposed occupation that hasn't actually been in Gaza for
33:32
Speaker 1: many years until this war. The prime ministers today are
33:36
Speaker 1: shouldn't Labor now finally put this evil Greens party last?
33:41
Speaker 1: And it's how to vote ticket series?
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Speaker 4: Given the things that Adam Banter has said about Israel,
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Speaker 4: doesn't Labor have a moral obligation to preference the Greens
33:51
Speaker 4: last there? And is this something that you will use
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Speaker 4: your authority and leadership as the prime minister and leader
33:57
Speaker 4: of the Labor party to make sure it happens? Is
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Speaker 4: Jewish Labor members want.
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Speaker 5: I don't engage in preference negotiations. What I do is
34:07
Speaker 5: do my job and Paul Erickson will do his job
34:10
Speaker 5: and the organizational team.
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Speaker 1: How about that? Roan it's not up to the leader
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Speaker 1: of the Labor Party. Where Labor, where the Labor preferences
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Speaker 1: the Greens, I mean, is that good enough for you? No,
34:24
Speaker 1: it's not.
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Speaker 9: And Antony Albnezi is the most cowardly Prime Minister I
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Speaker 9: think we've ever had. He shirks any kind of responsibility.
34:34
Speaker 9: He has since October seventh, shirked any kind of responsibility
34:38
Speaker 9: to the Australian Jewish community to actively root out the
34:42
Speaker 9: evil of anti Semitism within certain communities, particularly certain migrant communities.
34:47
Speaker 9: He shirked that responsibility. He shirked the responsibility to tackle
34:51
Speaker 9: the universities and the hard left, and in particular the
34:53
Speaker 9: Greens with all their anti Semitic garbage that they spew.
34:58
Speaker 9: And the Green deans realize that Anthony ALBINIZI is a
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Speaker 9: coward and I'm not going to He's not going to
35:05
Speaker 9: stand up to them. So they're getting worse and worse.
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Speaker 9: What are the Greens going to tell us next that
35:10
Speaker 9: the Holocaust was the fault of the Jews because some
35:13
Speaker 9: Jewish baker had a bagel shop on a corner of
35:15
Speaker 9: a strass and verving strassa or whatever in Germany. I
35:19
Speaker 9: mean it's despicable to blame the victims of the most
35:22
Speaker 9: horrendous crimes for what happened to them. That is just
35:27
Speaker 9: as low as it gets. And the Greens really obviously
35:31
Speaker 9: deserved to be.
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Speaker 1: Last, and also makes you know you're saying, oh, Muslims
35:36
Speaker 1: have no agency whatsoever. The Greens are just hopeless, patronizing
35:40
Speaker 1: as well as offensive. Rondine, thank you so much for
35:43
Speaker 1: your time. After the break, I just I get where
35:48
Speaker 1: the parties are on defense. I mean, you've got China
35:51
Speaker 1: sending a naval fleet to threaten Toewan. You've got Russia
35:54
Speaker 1: constricting another one hundred and sixty thousand soldiers, Sweden upgrading
35:58
Speaker 1: nuclear bombshells save US people, Russian attack.
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Speaker 2: Where are they?
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Speaker 1: I'm going to talk to the author of a new
36:03
Speaker 1: book on how to save ourselves fast. I'm amazed with
36:10
Speaker 1: everything going on that defense is not an issue so
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Speaker 1: far in this selection campaign. It's not just China sending
36:16
Speaker 1: warships to stage live fire exercises right off our coast.
36:20
Speaker 1: You can also see Western countries now realizing they can't
36:23
Speaker 1: trust Donald Trump to defend America's allies against Russia and China.
36:27
Speaker 1: Sweden now upgrading its nuclear bombshelters to protect millions of
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Speaker 1: its people from a Russian attack. Germany, for the first
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Speaker 1: time since World War Two, is now stationing soldiers in
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Speaker 1: another country, in Lithuania, again to protect it from its
36:41
Speaker 1: Russian neighbor. Meanwhile, you've got China sending an aircraft carry
36:45
Speaker 1: and eighteen other warships to intimidate Taiwan. The world has
36:50
Speaker 1: suddenly got extremely dangerous and we cannot count on the US.
36:54
Speaker 1: So where is the debate here about protecting ourselves?
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Speaker 13: Now?
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Speaker 1: Luckily, three of US Australia's top thinkers on defense I've
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Speaker 1: cooperated to write a book and just that it's called
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Speaker 1: No Higher Priority, A Blueprint for Immediate Action on Australia's Defense.
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Speaker 1: The authors are Michael Schubridge, Marcus Hellier, Peter Jennings. You've
37:13
Speaker 1: seen him all on the show. Peter Jennings is a
37:15
Speaker 1: former Deputy Secretary for Strategy and the Defense Department, now
37:19
Speaker 1: Director of Strategic Analysis Australia and he joins me now.
37:23
Speaker 1: Peter Jennings, thanks for your time. I mean us ME
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Speaker 1: is disappointed as me about this election campaign that seems
37:30
Speaker 1: utterly disconnected with what we're seeing going on in the world.
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Speaker 14: Yes, Andrew, maybe we keep waiting for the penny to drop.
37:39
Speaker 14: You know, both sides are sort of revolving around the
37:43
Speaker 14: boy saying, well, we're serious about national security, but where
37:47
Speaker 14: are the details?
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Speaker 1: You know, what is it that they propose to do?
37:51
Speaker 14: For decades we've drifted along spending typically just under about
37:55
Speaker 14: two percent of gross domestic product on defense. It's not
37:59
Speaker 14: enough for the vironment that we're facing. So we desperately
38:02
Speaker 14: need to have a serious conversation about national security.
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Speaker 1: Now. Your book is chock a full of examples of
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Speaker 1: what to do, a long list of stuff as well,
38:14
Speaker 1: particularly like the bit of you know, send you know,
38:17
Speaker 1: the sort of a group of people, a nonvoy whatever
38:21
Speaker 1: to Ukraine and learn from them how to defend themselves
38:24
Speaker 1: against a much more powerful enemy. What do you think
38:28
Speaker 1: needs to be done? What are your top tips here?
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Speaker 14: So three things. We've got to get the defense force
38:35
Speaker 14: stronger quickly, and that means we've got to stop focusing
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Speaker 14: on planning for the fantasy force that defense subsesses about
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Speaker 14: sometime in the twenty thirties and forties.
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Speaker 1: And I'm going to hold the book up, Andrew.
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Speaker 14: We make a whole series of recommendations here about what
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Speaker 14: it is that a government can do in the next
38:54
Speaker 14: three years that is going to involve buying some defense
38:58
Speaker 14: equipment items from overseas. In particular, we advocate for the
39:02
Speaker 14: B twenty one long distance bomber from the US, which
39:06
Speaker 14: frankly should help us with the Trump administration. So get stronger, quicker.
39:10
Speaker 14: Then the next thing we need to do is we've
39:12
Speaker 14: got to grow Australian defense industry because we can't rely
39:16
Speaker 14: on overseas supply. So we need missiles, we need ammunition,
39:20
Speaker 14: we need large numbers of drones of all different types,
39:24
Speaker 14: all the consumables of war, and they have to be
39:27
Speaker 14: produced domestically. And then finally, Andrew, I think we need
39:31
Speaker 14: to get lateral in our thinking. You know, there's an
39:33
Speaker 14: awful lot of emphasis on building a defense force which
39:37
Speaker 14: looks like it's going to fight previous wars, where I
39:40
Speaker 14: think what we're seeing, as you've pointed to in the
39:42
Speaker 14: case of Ukraine, is an example of how modern wars
39:47
Speaker 14: are shaping, which does involve a lot of autonomous systems,
39:51
Speaker 14: a lot of drones, a lot of disposable drones that
39:53
Speaker 14: aren't going to last much longer than an hour or
39:56
Speaker 14: two on the battlefield. So we need to get lateral
39:59
Speaker 14: about that and stop obsessing about the hugely expensive, beautiful
40:06
Speaker 14: technology platforms which we buy for at sea and underwater.
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Speaker 14: But we can only afford tiny numbers of them, and
40:13
Speaker 14: at the end of the day, they're probably so expensive
40:15
Speaker 14: that we wouldn't want to send them into harm's way anyway.
40:18
Speaker 14: So stronger, more domestic production, and more lateral thinking, that's
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Speaker 14: what we need.
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Speaker 1: Well, I was struck by Ukraine. They managed to build
40:29
Speaker 1: their own missile production facilities in the teeth of war.
40:34
Speaker 1: Within three years they're firing long range missiles into Russia.
40:38
Speaker 1: They also managed to create a massive drone industry. As
40:43
Speaker 1: far as I can tell, with this example before us
40:46
Speaker 1: of what can be done, I think our army the
40:49
Speaker 1: last time I looked at only one drone in production
40:53
Speaker 1: or in service. I mean, it's just quite extraordinary how
40:56
Speaker 1: sleep we've.
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Speaker 14: Been have always been a center of defense technology production
41:03
Speaker 14: since the Soviet Union days. But of course under the
41:06
Speaker 14: pressure of conflict, they've done some quite remarkable lateral clever things,
41:11
Speaker 14: including many things which aren't that expensive.
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Speaker 1: Pioneering.
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Speaker 14: For example, the idea of being able to use commercial
41:17
Speaker 14: drones to drop explosives onto tanks. But then thinking, I
41:22
Speaker 14: think also Andrew about how they developed really in no
41:26
Speaker 14: time at all, a cruise missile that was able to
41:28
Speaker 14: sink the Russian carrier the Moskva in the Black Sea.
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Speaker 14: So under pressure they can do tremendous things. I'm actually
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Speaker 14: very confident that Australian industry can do that too, but
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Speaker 14: they need contracts from defense. Australian's hall and medium sized
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Speaker 14: industry cannot get contracts out of the Defense department. And
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Speaker 14: you know, either they go to the Wall or they
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Speaker 14: go to the United States, and so we need some
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Speaker 14: of our defense spending to flow in the direction of
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Speaker 14: Australian industry.
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Speaker 1: We've actually got a company that's sending drones to Ukraine,
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Speaker 1: or has has sent drones to Ukraine. Can't we develop that?
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Speaker 1: I don't get it any significant time exactly. Oh my god.
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Speaker 1: We're the country of the barbed wire fence. We surely
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Speaker 1: we can do something with a piece of barbed wire.
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Speaker 1: Peter Jennings thinks, after the break the war of the election,
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Speaker 1: signs in Kuyong just got funnier, but a whole lot
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Speaker 1: worse for Tillium. P Monique Ryan, the Colaverest comeback of
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Speaker 1: this election campaign. It's from Amelia Hamer's Liberal campaign in
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Speaker 1: Kong In Melbourne last week, one off Hamer's signs were
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Speaker 1: stolen by the husband of the Tilli MP there, Monique Ryan,
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Speaker 1: who didn't want to say how sorry she was when
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Speaker 1: Journast asked there. And since then there's been a rush
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Speaker 1: of locals asking to put up Hamer signs at their
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Speaker 1: homes and next so many of them. There's now this
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Speaker 1: sign too, Monique, do not take this sign. Join me
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Speaker 1: as my special panel comicare Emio panel Italiano Gematon, UNI
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Speaker 1: columns and communications consultant and Caroline de Russo, a commentator
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Speaker 1: and president of the West Australian Liberals. Jemma, you're a
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Speaker 1: communications consultant.
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Speaker 9: How clever is that saying it's cute, It's clever.
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Speaker 15: It's taking the mickey in a beautifully Australian way, whilst
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Speaker 15: reminding voters that the husband of the sitting member was
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Speaker 15: caught redhanded in the dark running away in the most bogan.
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Speaker 15: Can I just say it's not just a university move.
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Speaker 15: It's a totally bogan move. Isn't it stealing someone else's
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Speaker 15: campaign material? I mean, just the embarrassment of it. So
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Speaker 15: I'm all for this. I think it's funny. I think
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Speaker 15: it's self deprecating. I think it's exactly the way Australians
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Speaker 15: like to treat this sort of thing. It's actually a
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Speaker 15: very serious offense to interfere with other parties election material,
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Speaker 15: as you well know, Andrew, and I think this just
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Speaker 15: reminds the voters of Kuong and the rest of Australia
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Speaker 15: what the Teals really are. And as I said, what
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Speaker 15: a Bogan move, I was.
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Speaker 1: Thinking that there was another thing here, Caroline, that I
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Speaker 1: thought was also on message to I wonder which one's best.
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Speaker 1: Chris Kenny interviewing former Liberal Prime Minister John Howard on
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Speaker 1: the Show This Afternoon. John Howard said this about Anthony Albanezi.
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Speaker 2: The description I would make of the Prime minister is
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Speaker 2: that he is out of his depths. I disagreed with
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Speaker 2: Bob hawklor but I never thought Hawk was out of
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Speaker 2: his depth.
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Speaker 1: I just thought he was wrong.
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Speaker 2: I disagreed even more with Paul Keating, who I thought
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Speaker 2: was inferior or Hawk as a prime minister, but you
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Speaker 2: could never say he was out of each dep Whereas
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Speaker 2: I don't think Anthony Albanze he quite knows what's happening
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Speaker 2: around him, particularly when it comes to Chinese ships. He
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Speaker 2: doesn't seem to have a clue.
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Speaker 1: Out of his depth. Is that just a political sledge
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Speaker 1: share Caroline, or do you think Howard has also hit
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Speaker 1: the target.
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Speaker 13: I think mister Howard has hit the target very well.
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Speaker 13: And look, he's been out of politics a long time,
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Speaker 13: but when you speak to him, he is still very
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Speaker 13: much on the money and understanding of the political landscape.
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Speaker 13: And I guess the benefit that mister Howard has is
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Speaker 13: he is a leader and he can recognize leadership in
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Speaker 13: other people. And he recognized it in Hawk, and he
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Speaker 13: recognized it in Keating. And you can disagree with the
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Speaker 13: substance of someone's argument, but you can still recognize that
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Speaker 13: they have substance, and that is something that you know,
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Speaker 13: the current Prime Minister just doesn't have. Everything is very superficial,
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Speaker 13: everything is very skin deep. He doesn't seem to understand
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Speaker 13: purpose over preference. And like the comment that Jemma made
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Speaker 13: on Sky on Monday, nothing is ever his fault. Now,
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Speaker 13: you can't keep promising and not delivering and blaming other people.
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Speaker 13: That is not leadership. That is shirking, and that there
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Speaker 13: is not what we expect of our prime ministers in
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Speaker 13: this country. Even just today Andrew, you know, he gets
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Speaker 13: asked a question by a journalist he doesn't want to answer,
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Speaker 13: and he gets the strops on really quickly, and that
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Speaker 13: just shows that there's really not much underneath.
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Speaker 15: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Look, personally is a nice enough guy, but I do
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Speaker 1: think that it's flail to, you know, flail around instead
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Speaker 1: of actually giving leadership and some really important issues. Jemma.
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Speaker 1: Less funny than the sign. You're just back from a
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Speaker 1: week in the Snowies and you've come back discussed by
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Speaker 1: the way we are treating Brumbies there. I know you're
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Speaker 1: a horse lover from way back. What upsets you well, I.
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Speaker 15: Think, Andrew, it's really the fundamentals of this argument against
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Speaker 15: the Brumbies is that they're allegedly destroying all this fragile ecosystem.
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Speaker 15: It ignores two salient and absolutely critical facts. First of all,
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Speaker 15: Brumbies don't inhabit the areas of the Snowy where these
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Speaker 15: ecosystems are. That the upper reaches, the very high altitudes
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Speaker 15: of the Snowy Mountains. Brumbies don't live up there. It's
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Speaker 15: too cold for them, it's too high for them. They
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Speaker 15: live on the planes, They live on the lower areas
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Speaker 15: that have been grazed and inhabited by other animals for
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Speaker 15: one hundred and fifty years and longer. The second thing
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Speaker 15: about this is that this assertion that the Brumbies are
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Speaker 15: causing this environmental damage is backed by absolutely zero and
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Speaker 15: I mean zero in the way of independent or peer
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Speaker 15: reviewed in country field research. It is simply opinion. And
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Speaker 15: you know, the modern day environmental a standard, and my
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Speaker 15: view is fast getting the opinion of being some sort
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Speaker 15: of you know, wrecker and joyless person who just hates
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Speaker 15: everything around them and can't understand.
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Speaker 1: The beauty from the air by rifles that die there.
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Speaker 1: I mean really it was also, Yeah, I know you've
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Speaker 1: wrote about it, terrible Caroline. This is because they're imported
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Speaker 1: animals and we're less sorry about them.
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Speaker 13: I think so. And I think maybe it's just because
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Speaker 13: it's out of sight and out of mind. You know,
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Speaker 13: no one would be able to treat a domesticated, even
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Speaker 13: an imported domesticated animal like that. True, and I guess
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Speaker 13: it's in stark contrast. Do you see the amount of
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Speaker 13: works that are being done in and around that area
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Speaker 13: and other habitats to accommodate wind turbines, but no one
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Speaker 13: seems to be worried about those environments impacts you keep
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Speaker 13: many natives just I've got to go.
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I'm crashing into Sharry's show and that would
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Speaker 1: be terrible caring Russell Jemeton, thank you both for your
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Speaker 1: time coming up Sherry Max and good night