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Welcome back to the Simply Christ podcast hosted by Leon
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Martin, along with Aaron Keaton, Melvin Martin, Andrew Schrock
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and Dan Blatz. Let's get right to it.
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All righty, here we are again, ready to do another episode out
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of Colossians. Yeah, tonight we'll be in
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Chapter 2. Starting in verse 9 is where
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we're going to bounce off of. So excited to look into that
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Before we get started, we'll, I'll open this up with the word
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of prayer. God, we thank you for this day.
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Thank you that you have given us this word that we can read and
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know you. We thank you for the gift of
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life that you provided through your Son Jesus.
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And tonight as we look at the scriptures, I pray that you
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would give us wisdom, allow us to see the the truth and present
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it clearly. And God, I just pray for open
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ears and open hearts to those that are listening in Jesus
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name. Amen.
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All right. So last week we talked about one
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of the verses that we talked about was verse 6.
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As you have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk
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in Him. We talked about what that looks
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like as far as simply by faith. It's not as if we would receive
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the Lord one way and then live the Christian life another way.
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That is not what the Bible preaches.
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The Bible tells us that we are to walk in Him the same way that
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we received Him by faith, and that we should be rooted and
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build up in Him and to be established in our faith as you
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have been taught. That's an interesting aspect to
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that that I appreciated that was brought out that we can be that
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it's kind of our duty. Maybe that's not quite the right
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word, but an expectation that Christ has is that we would be
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rooted and and built and established in this space.
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In other words, rooted down in and and settled and not quoted
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about by every wind of doctrine that comes along.
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So anyway, so verse 7 and 8 say rooted and built up in him, and
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stabbed minister in the faith as he had been taught, abounding
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therein with Thanksgiving. Beware lest any man spoil you
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through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of
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men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
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And it says, For in him do I love all the fullness of the
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Godhead bodily. And I'm going to let Andrew go
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here. We kind of thrashed that out
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pretty good. Verse 8 last week.
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Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy made his seed
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as the tradition of men and the rudiments of the world and not
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after Christ. I I think that's kind of
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profound that he makes sure that we know that these things are
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not after Christ. They're not the same as Christ.
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So these philosophy not a bad thing in in and of itself, but
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regarding religion or salvation, it is not like Christ.
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The seed of course isn't traditions of men cannot replace
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what Christ did. And of course the rudiments of
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the world. So interesting there.
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And the point that he's making is that, you know, in him
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dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead bodily Christ, and was
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the fullness of the Godhead in him bodily.
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Andrew, go ahead with your thoughts on verse 8 and 9 or 9.
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Yeah, I'll come in a little bit on 8 that we didn't cover last
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time that I think is very significant.
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And that is there are lots of ministries that they're called
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Deliverance Ministries and they're like, I don't know what
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percentage you're going to put a percentage, but their main goal
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is to deal with the enemy. They're they are big in the
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casting out demons. They're big into curses, they're
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big into generational curses. So rudiments of the world, I
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think has to do with some of that, like philosophy being
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deceit. I think he's I think he reaches
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that far. So because of what he says in
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the very next verse, There are many people that will tell you
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as a believer that the reason you're still struggling with sin
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or the flesh or whatever is because of something your great,
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great granddaddy did or had or some kind of curse that is
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outside of you that you can't help it.
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But it was you inherited and you have to go back and find out
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where and when what and how that happened and go kind of sort of
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like mentally go back there and undo it.
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You got to go back there and fix it.
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And that's not the gospel, that's not Christ.
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Jesus Christ says in the chapter 1.
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He tells us that he's triumphed over all principality and powers
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openly. Like I forget which verse it
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was, but that's a big deal. If I was struggling with some
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kind of out of control, out of body supernatural demonic force,
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these verses would do me a lot of good.
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Like just to find out and to see that Jesus Christ.
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He says for in him dwell as the fullness of the Godhead bodily
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and I'm just going to go back and read there chapter 1 because
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it we got to remind ourselves of why he was saying where was it
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now? Sorry, I should have been ready.
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Oh, verse 15, who is the image of the invisible God, the first
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born of every creature. For by him we're all things
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created or they're in heaven, or that it that that are in heaven
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and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether to be
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Thrones or dominions or principalities or powers.
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All things were created by him and for him, and he is before
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all things and by him all things consists.
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How about it that that guy is in US bodily.
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Bodily. Yep.
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I think we need to let all these.
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Curse ideas and these generational things go just let
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them go. Jesus Christ is the victory.
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He overcame the wicket one we're we're completing him.
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It's just that's just who it is I.
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Think so? Good stuff.
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Yeah, the the word rudiments here is also translated as the
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word principles and elements in the Bible.
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I find it kind of interesting not to pick on anyone ministry
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more than others, but there is a very famous ministry common
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among the homeschooling groups called the Basic Life
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Principles. And it's a whole ministry based
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on adding principles to your life.
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If you struggle with lust, that means you probably struggle with
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anger. You connect the dots between
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these two things. Do these 456 things and you'll
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find victory over lust. Put away anger, you'll get rid
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of lust, put away lust, you'll get rid of anger.
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And and it's all about adding good principles to your life.
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It's like taking the book of Proverbs and applying it to your
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life. Obviously good things, like most
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of it is, is valuable good things, but it's people trying
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to find deliverance, people trying to find freedom, people
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trying to find victory, people trying to find security outside
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of Christ. And that's that's the problem.
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And it's almost always that the good are perfect as the enemy of
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good, right? They say you take all these good
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things. Maybe I said that wrong.
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You take all these good things and you try to apply them to
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your life, but you miss the perfect thing, you miss what
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Christ has done, and we are complete in him.
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And so he says, don't let anyone deceive you through philosophy.
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Beware lest any man spoil you. To spoil you is like when you've
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had a battle. Two people, 2 armies are
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battling against each other. One of them defeats the other
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and they take away their goods, they plunder their stuff.
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So the enemy would like to take away awards from you or rewards
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from you for not trusting in Christ, but rather trusting in
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your own efforts, trusting in your own wisdom, trusting in
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your own philosophy and vain deceit.
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And he's actually going to pit this idea of a touch knot, taste
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knot, handle knot, which is what principles are.
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How do I live my life? Well, here's a list of touch
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knots, and here's a list of handle knots, and here's a list
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of taste knots. And if you follow all these
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principles, you should be good to go.
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And it has this show of wisdom. It looks like somebody's really
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doing something good, but they fail to find their satisfaction,
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their identity, their completion in Christ.
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And it says here in verse 2 and verse 9, In him in Christ
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dwelleth the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
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And I would like to say it this way, if you are not looking to
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Christ, then you're looking outside of God.
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Like the only way you can find God is in Christ.
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The only way you can find victory is in God.
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But he is found in the person of Jesus Christ.
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The whole God had. All that God has ever been, all
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that he ever was, all that he ever will be was wrapped up
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inside this one human person, Jesus Christ.
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The fullness of the God had dwelt in him bodily and in him
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we find forgiveness, we find resurrection, we find assurance,
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we find redemption, sanctification, justification.
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It's all in him. And so our victory and our
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day-to-day living should also come from seeking Him, not
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seeking principles and applying wisdom to your life.
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Now, again, we're not trying to dismiss the idea of, you know,
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make sure you're not overeating, make sure you're not lusting.
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Make sure, you know, like we should be walking in
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righteousness, but it's not by applying principles, external
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principles that govern your flesh through which you get
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victory. The victory comes from
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reckoning, reckoning that we are dead indeed with Christ.
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We are dead to sin, freed from the power and the grip of sin,
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and alive unto God through Jesus Christ.
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And it's in him, in the fullness of the Godhead, that we find
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victory and completion. And don't let anybody spoil you
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or rob you of that kind of freedom that we have in Christ.
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Amen. That's good.
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Right on, Right on, Melvin. Yeah, well, obviously in verse
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8, you know, he just laid it all out.
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What what opposite of Christ looks like, what what things
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when we try and fix things looks like on our own or traditions of
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man or rudiments of the world. And I think here in verse 9,
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it's significant that he is pointing out that who Christ is,
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you know, he said at the end of verse 8 and not after Christ.
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So you're following after you all these other things, trying
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to fix everything through your own flesh or your own power, and
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not after Christ. And then he says in verse 9, for
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in Christ, for in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead.
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And that is so important to understand, I think because like
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you said in the very next verse, he says, and ye are complete.
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That's what it means to be complete in Christ.
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Everything was in Christ of God that needed to be to redeem us,
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to set us free from sin and to for us to be able to walk free
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of sin. And all those things I like in
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John 17 where Jesus is praying to the Father and he says
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neither pray I. This is John 1720 and 21.
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He says neither pray I for these alone.
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He's was praying for the disciples there, but then he
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says but for them also, which shall believe on me through
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their word that they all may be one.
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He's talking about those that believe on Jesus and Jesus
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alone, and the disciples, that they all may be 1.
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And then he says, as thou, Father art in me, and I in thee,
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and that they also may be one in us, that the world may believe
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that thou has sent me. And so it's so important that we
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remember that God is in Christ and Christ is in God and we are
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in Christ. It's all one.
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That's what he says about the fullness of the Godhead bodily,
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the full essence, the divinity of God, the the whole forms of
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God dwell in Christ in his physical body, just like our
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physical body. And that's so significant.
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He's not some, you know, being out there spiritual being that
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we can't reach or he he doesn't, he he understands US.
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Jesus does because He had a body like us, but in His body
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throughout the fullness of the Godhead.
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That that's, I don't know, we could go on and on for a long
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time about that, but it's just he's driving that home.
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The point of who Christ is and what He is so that we can
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understand that and be able to trust in Him and in Him alone.
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Yeah, Yeah, that's right. And I'll read the next verse.
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It will go into that you kind of touched on a little bit and you
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are completed him, which is the head of all principality and
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power. There's, you know, a couple
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things that Dan kind of mentioned it and Andrew.
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But if we think about what this letter was wrote for, you know,
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kind of go back, you know, they were, they were starting to turn
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to different methods of sanctification, for lack of
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better words. They were looking at different
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ways of dealing with sin, mysticism.
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And then I would just, you know, Google what the issues were
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there at the church. Interesting what that brings up.
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But he is reiterating that in him is our victory.
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When he says that he's complete, what does that mean?
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How complete is he complete? And he's the head of
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principality and power. There's not there's other
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principalities and there's other powers, but why mess with those?
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They are subpar. They will not.
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Yeah, they might have some power.
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Yeah. The devils, they can do things,
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you know, they do. They do some crazy stuff.
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But why mess around with that if there's if the Supreme being
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that made those others is here, Andrew.
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Yeah, exactly. And I think so.
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The deceptive part is, is that a lot of the people that adopt
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these philosophies and the principle that Dan was talking
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about, they would say that they believe in Jesus Christ and
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they're very thankful for the blood and the grace of Christ
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and the forgiveness. This just helps them walk
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Christ. Like this is these are the
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principles that help me walk godly.
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And but we got to remember why Christ came in the first place,
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because the law could not make any of the commerce there
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perfect, couldn't make the commerce perfect.
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So they're just replacing Jesus Christ with a sheep.
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But the problem is Jesus Christ is more than a sheep.
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A sheep does not give us a spirit to follow, right?
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It just bleeds and dies and it's gone.
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Jesus Christ rose from the dead. The sheep didn't rise from the
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dead, Jesus Christ rose from the dead and he told him John, that
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he's going to give us the comfort of the Spirit, which is
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going to teach us all things, which is supposed to be way
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superior than the law. Would you rather have someone
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that has the law of righteousness, the grace of God
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and the power of God, the Spirit that raised up Christ from the
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dead in in you or someone that is trying to live by some law
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that is blind that can't see your heart.
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The law can't see. It has to look at your actions.
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I would rather be let by. Or something leading people that
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is inside them saying? Hey, what you're doing is wrong.
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You know, I don't know how I can say this that it makes a lot of
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sense. It just frustrates me that
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people think that the Holy Spirit is just not sufficient.
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It's not good enough that. Somehow you're going to just
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choose evil. Like you lose your choice after
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you become a believer. You don't.
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You need someone to tell you and to hold you accountable to tell
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you not to lie. Really.
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Like what sin are you afraid of that you can't choose not to do
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because Jesus Christ is not victorious in you?
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Like what are you worried about? What are you scared of?
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Like Jesus Christ says you're completing him and he's the head
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of all principalities and powers, but yet you need man's
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philosophy, man's ideas in order to stay on the straight now.
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Well, Jesus Christ came because the holy law of Moses wasn't
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getting people to walk in righteousness.
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So he's saying Jesus came to do that.
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But you're saying, yeah, he died from my sins, thank God.
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But in order for me to not go and fornicate, I need some man
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to put some fences up and some guards to tell me not to.
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Like you can't make that choice. So they well, I need people
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around me to help me be free from sin.
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Well, that's not God's plan. That's not that's outside of
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God. Then that's then now man's
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wisdom, like Melvin was saying. Or with a damn.
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Outside of God, you're no longer doing it God's way.
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God's way is circumcision from the heart.
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God's way is crucifixion. God's great way, New man in
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Christ. And how do you live it out,
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believing it? Faith.
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Philosophy takes away faith. Traditions of men take away
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faith. It makes it gives you a visible
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action that you can apply that gives you the assumption that
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you're living a Christ like life, but you're not.
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It's why it's deceitful. Yeah, makes that faith of nut
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effect. Yeah, there's, it eliminates
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faith and that's the whole problem.
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Without faith, it's been possible to please him.
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So we're like, Oh my gosh, these people that just believe this,
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that Jesus Christ took their place and we're completing him
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so I can go do what I want. You missed the whole point.
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You missed the whole point. You're assuming someone that
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believes the gospel is, is still in their sins.
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It's still love, sun righteousness still just can't
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wait to go fornicate like you really think the power and the
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completion. And and the.
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Spirit that raised up Christ and the debt in you is going to go,
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yeah, let's go sin. Like it's just ridiculous.
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It's it's almost like it's coming from an unbeliever of
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someone that does not know Christ.
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Almost. That's good.
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Well, we can go to the next verse.
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That was very well explained. No.
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Well, go ahead then. Well, this is all still kind of
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building on that idea. Where in in verse 6 he said, as
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you have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk
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ye in him. And like Andrew said, most
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Christians have, I mean all Christians have accepted the
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fact that Christ died for their sins.
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And so their future slate is clean, their eternity is secured
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and they rest in that. And then after that they don't
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know what Christ, what effect Christ or the cross could have
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upon their day-to-day. And so then they move on to
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principle base Christianity and a touch not, taste not, handle
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not. And they don't actually continue
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to walk in faith of what Jesus has done because your walk, the
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walk that you have in him is how do you overcome sin?
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How do you stop temptation in its tracks?
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How do you walk in victory day-to-day as you're living out
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this life? How?
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As you received Him. Well, no, no, no, no.
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I mean, I mean, I want principle, something I can do.
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But what do you do to receive Christ?
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Well, I just trusted Him to have forgiven my sins.
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I trusted that He died on the cross and he rose again, and now
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I'm free from the penalty of sin.
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Well then do that. Trust in Christ, not for the
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penalty to be forgiven, but for the power to be taken away.
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There, there's no more. You are not fighting against
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flesh and blood. We're we're.
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Resting in the complete work of Christ on our behalf.
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Not only did he die in our place, but he's telling us here
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that we died with him, that we were raised together with him,
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that we're seated together with Christ in the heavenly places as
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we're going to get to in the next chapter.
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But we have to remember that this Christianity, the gospel,
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understanding what Jesus has done, finding our completion in
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the fullness of the Godhead in Christ, it is how you find
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victory to walk. It's not just an ethereal thing.
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It's not just a philosophy or a theology that we believe.
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It's actually the practical work of how we walk faithful before
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God. It is not, you know, these, a
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lot of these principles, they're not bad things.
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They're just not Christ. They're not fullness of the
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Godhead. So here he says that we, we
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already made this point, but the fullness of the Godhead dwelt in
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Christ's body and we are complete in him.
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And this is what Melvin was making such a good point out
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that we are in Christ. That's actually where we are.
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So when you find temptation coming your way, you can laugh
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at it. You can scoff at the attempt of
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the enemy to overthrow your faith because my life is hid
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with Christ and God. And now we say this all very
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confidently, almost braggadocious, right?
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Like it's not like it always comes naturally to me.
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It's not like I haven't struggled with these things
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also. So when I say this, it's
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reminding me as well that that's where my victory is.
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I am complete in Christ, and that word complete is also
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translated as perfect. I am perfect in Christ Jesus.
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I am the perfection of God. I am the righteousness of God.
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I am free from sin in Christ Jesus.
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And so we're not looking for anything more, for anything
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bigger, anything different. And in 2nd Corinthians 11, Paul
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again warns with the same kind of language.
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He says beware I fear lest by any means as the serpent
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beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your mind should be
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corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
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Don't move on from the simplicity of the fact that you
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were redeemed by Christ and you were made complete by Christ.
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Your forgiveness is found in Christ and so is your victory
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found in Christ. Your day-to-day walk is received
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the way you have. Victory over sin is received the
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same way you received salvation, by grace through faith.
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That's good stuff. Reach it.
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Yep, no one. Well, the reality is is that is
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that I was thinking of this as you guys are talking that God
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wants to work in US and through us in our lives.
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He doesn't want us to try and do things to please him or to to
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make ourselves look good. He wants to work in US and
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through us in Christ, which is in US and through the spirit.
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I had to think of the children of Israel when you guys are
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talking about, you know, turning to people or men.
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I had to think of in First Samuel when the children of
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Israel wanted a king. And it says in First Samuel 8,
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it says this and this is so profound.
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It says And all the elders of the Israel gathered themselves
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together and came on, came to Samuel unto Rhema, and said unto
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him, Behold, thou art old, and thy sons walk not in thy ways.
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Now make us a king, like in physical king, to judge us like
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all the nations. But the thing this please
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Samuel, when when they said, Give us a king to judge us.
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And Samuel prayed unto God. And the Lord said unto Samuel,
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Hearken unto the voice of the people in all that they say unto
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thee, unto thee, For they have not rejected thee, but they have
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rejected me, that I should not reign over them.
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And see God. That's what God desired even
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back then, before Christ came and and died for our sins.
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And that, you know, God desired to reign in us not a man or a
26:39
king or a judge, but God himself.
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And so I think that's what we need to remember and and and now
26:48
we have Christ, right. He gave us Christ who is the
26:52
fullness of the Godhead bodily and we are complete in him and
26:56
we try and and turn to ourselves still today, right and into
27:01
other manner principalities or powers or whatever it may be.
27:07
We read in cautions 1. I think it was somewhere where
27:11
it says he is. He created all principalities
27:15
and powers, so that's why he is the head of all principalities
27:18
and powers. Yeah, that's, that's right.
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And that's a good point. How I'll let you go ahead over
27:26
here in a second. How that because we've just
27:30
heard this on Sunday. We're preaching on that and
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really good point that that they turned and they wanted a
27:37
physical king. And that is exactly like what
27:39
Dan was talking about these things that they said in order
27:43
to help us live as a Christian, you know, they wanted somebody
27:46
that just told them what to do right?
27:48
And instead of relying on the spirit or no God telling them
27:53
what to do in other words, so very much parallel story.
27:56
That's a really good point, Melvin.
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I think I think it's exactly what we're talking about here,
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but I had to think in you know, talking about in in Christ.
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You know, he's the Godhead bodily.
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So he was the the exact image like if you wanted to look see
28:14
God, look at Jesus that you saw God that was he was a
28:18
representation of him. He was God in the flesh that it
28:22
said that you are completed. Him reminded me in Ephesians
28:25
where it says verse 20 or not. Galatians 320 says Now a
28:31
mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is. 1 Is the law
28:36
then against the promises of God?
28:38
God forbid. For if there had been a law
28:41
given which could have given life, verily righteousness
28:44
should have been by the law. And what I think about that is
28:48
that this having Christ as our righteousness is not an
28:53
accident. You know, God, God exhausted
28:57
every other means of righteousness that he could have
29:01
given us, knowing that we would fail, of course.
29:04
But so this, when he says that we are completing him, he means
29:10
that he already, he already knows that there is no other way
29:14
to attain righteousness and to walk Victoria's rivers in death.
29:18
We tried it. We tried it for thousands of
29:20
years. We couldn't do it.
29:22
So when he says that we are completing him and that in Him
29:25
dwelleth the Godhead bodily, that is what he means.
29:28
There's no other way. There's no bones about it.
29:30
There's nothing else you can do. This was thought out, This was
29:33
the plan from the beginning. It's complete and finished,
29:38
Andrew. Yeah, I was just thinking of the
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think about Adam when he first sent, he covered himself in fig
29:45
leaves, but then God came and dressed him up with his thing.
29:51
And then Jesus Christ says that we're dressed in the robe of his
29:54
righteousness robe. We're dressed in that robe of
29:57
righteousness. So what we're technically trying
29:59
to do is we want to claim the robe of righteousness.
30:02
We want to claim that robe, but then we lay it aside and we
30:05
talked to each other about our fig leaves and how great our fig
30:07
leaves are, right? Like we're really proud of that
30:11
fake leaf. I mean that guy that.
30:13
That that. That's a fake leaf right there.
30:15
And we've forgotten that we're dressed in a, in a robe of
30:20
righteousness. It's kind of it's, it's, it's,
30:23
it's terrible, right? Like we're, we just cannot, we
30:30
just get disconnected from what I said earlier about believing,
30:34
believing and walking in something that we can't exactly
30:39
see. The other thing that I was
30:42
thinking about is what I'm trying to put my finger on, the
30:47
disconnect. Why are we tempted to go away
30:50
from something so good? And it's because it's not as
30:55
visual and it's not as it doesn't speak to the flesh, it
30:59
doesn't minister to the flesh and your emotions.
31:03
And so when? So that's an easy.
31:05
Target for ministers to approach your emotions, your physical,
31:11
something that you can connect and tie to the gospel that now
31:16
makes it work that that gap. Of having to have faith and
31:21
trusting and figuring it out and walking in wisdom and getting to
31:24
know God. That kind of taken care of.
31:28
And now I got, I found stability here.
31:30
This man helped me. You know they they'll say like.
31:33
This man, I don't know where I'd be with God.
31:35
It wasn't for this. Man, you know, and I think
31:40
that's dangerous. Think of it this way.
31:43
If my girls, I got all girls. If I had a son, I would say if
31:46
my son was just sitting around waiting for me to tell him what
31:51
to do, I wouldn't be very proud of him if he had to be told
31:56
every step. He needs to do.
31:57
He's scared to try anything, he's scared to learn, he's
32:00
scared to fail. He's scared I wouldn't be proud
32:04
of him. I think the reason God leaves us
32:07
hanging is because he's a good God.
32:09
He's a good. Father, he loves it when we
32:12
learn by our mistakes, when we grow in wisdom, when we grow in
32:16
understanding, when we exercise our.
32:18
Senses, he tells us to exercise, to remember, to remind
32:21
ourselves, to grow. We don't want to go through
32:24
that. We want to just be told what to
32:27
do and then go on with our merry lives.
32:30
Don't tell me about my secret flesh, carnal things that I
32:34
enjoy. Tell me how I can.
32:36
Look good before God when I go meet him at church.
32:41
Tell me how I can have quenched those conscience that keep
32:45
bugging me about my secret sins. Tell me how that I'm just weak
32:50
and God understands and someday he might deliver you.
32:54
But if you do this and this, you know, this is how you can deal
32:57
with it. Philosophy.
32:59
Oh, we can explain that away. You know, I have my struggles
33:01
too. You know, David had his
33:03
struggles. You know, we like that stuff,
33:08
but God. Says Jesus says I died for you
33:12
and I'm going to circumcise your heart and I'm going to deliver
33:15
you from the body of flesh. I'm going to destroy that body
33:17
of flesh like Dan was saying, and I am going to make you free
33:21
from sin. And then in.
33:23
Galatians, he says you're crucified with all the
33:26
affections and lusts. That's God's solution, but we
33:29
don't want to hear that We. Don't want to hear that it's.
33:32
Almost like we want an excuse for our sin.
33:34
We want an excuse for walking carnal unrighteousness.
33:38
So I'm going to flip the script here because they say, oh, so
33:41
what's your sin? Because we're under grace, God
33:44
forbid. The reason you still want
33:46
philosophy and traditions of men is because you want an excuse.
33:49
You want an explanation to sin and Christians?
33:52
Don't have that option. We're asked to believe that
33:55
we're free from it, and you don't want to do it.
33:58
You don't want to do it. You want an explanation for your
34:00
failures and we don't have it. So stop talking about how you
34:06
just want to sin. I'm tired of hearing that right.
34:09
I'm tired of it. You, the reason you like
34:13
philosophy and the wisdom of man is because it explains away your
34:17
failures. You don't really want victory.
34:21
But I think probably just as important is it makes you look
34:26
really good. Like if you can apply all the
34:29
principles to your life and put you everything to in order your,
34:33
you know, children are walking like little ducklings behind
34:36
you, everybody's button to the top and you all you just look
34:39
really well put together. You're maybe very well educated.
34:42
You have a love for wisdom. You know it, it just looks like
34:46
this guy. If anybody's got to put
34:48
together, it's this guy. Now a good faithful Christian
34:52
might very well look like they have it together also, but it's
34:56
not through the love of wisdom, through the love of philosophy
35:00
that they gain that that lifestyle.
35:03
It's rather through pursuit of Christ and an enjoyment of his
35:07
favor that produces that in a person's life.
35:11
But people like we're going to get to in these coming verses,
35:14
they, they like the idea of not satisfying their flesh and
35:19
looking very godly to the public eye.
35:23
I think that's, you know, you were trying to put your finger
35:25
on the thing that draws us away. I think that is one of the big
35:28
things is our desire to look right and we take the shortcut.
35:33
We take the the most obvious thing and that is to act right
35:37
and do right and, and try these things that look godly and
35:41
instead of actually surrendering to God and just, you know,
35:44
believing his, his truth about us.
35:47
Because he wants to go down to your heart.
35:49
Because that guy that like Dan saying it's all buttoned up,
35:52
most of them are doing pornography.
35:54
Behind the scenes. You see, God wants to deal with
35:57
that part. He wants us free, man free.
36:00
An evil heart changed into a good heart.
36:03
Like, you know. Corruptible.
36:06
Put on incorruption. Like, come on, let's believe it.
36:10
Like these. Yeah, yeah.
36:14
Stop. All right, well, well, let's see
36:19
what the Scripture says, verse 11, In whom also ye are
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circumcised with the circumcision made without hands,
36:28
in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the
36:34
circumcision of Christ. Dan, you want to head into this
36:40
one on verse 11? Or Andrew, do you want?
36:43
But yeah, then I know I've, I've heard you go through some of
36:46
this before. Yeah, some of my favorite.
36:49
Passages here. It's very much coincides
36:52
perfectly with Romans chapter 6. Some people like to read
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circumcision. And water.
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Baptism together somehow, as if, because the next verse says
37:03
baptism buried with him in baptism.
37:06
And so they'll read water baptism into this passage and it
37:09
gets them into a lot of theological trouble because they
37:12
think now that water baptism has taken the place of circumcision.
37:16
Some of them take this so far as to baptize their little children
37:19
on the 8th day, because circumcision, baptism, this is
37:22
where we get it from, right? So it's this covenant theology
37:26
type of thing. But he's not talking at all
37:28
about water baptism. He's talking about how we are
37:32
made complete in Christ. How is it that we are made?
37:36
Can you say you're completing Christ?
37:38
And some people could to take that and say, OK, you tell me
37:41
I'm completing Christ, but how? Well, he's going to tell you how
37:44
right here in whom also ye are circumcised with the
37:48
circumcision made without hands. Now anybody who knows what the
37:52
word circumcision is knows it's a pretty gruesome process.
37:57
You take that little foreskin of the baby boy and you cut it off.
38:00
Or in the case of Abraham and his descendants, when it first
38:03
took was instituted, they as men had their foreskin cut off and
38:08
they had to wait get 3 or 4 days before they could kind of walk
38:11
around again. Like it was a gruesome task
38:13
where you take the exterior shell of a member and cut it off
38:20
so that the interior can be exposed.
38:24
Now that's that's again, that's a pretty gruesome picture, but
38:26
it's not my words, it's the scriptures words.
38:29
And so just like a member, the physical sexual member of a man
38:34
is exposed when the foreskin is pulled back or cut off.
38:39
Again, I almost feel like apologetic for speaking this
38:42
way. The same thing needs to happen
38:44
with us. There is an inner man and there
38:47
is an outer man. The inner man has been baptized
38:51
fully into Christ, and we are now told that we are walking in
38:55
the new man, we are living in him.
38:58
We are baptized into Christ so that when Christ's body died,
39:02
our body died. It was circumcised, it was cut
39:05
off, it was tossed aside, it was discarded because it was
39:09
unuseful, it was destructive. So the outer man was cut off and
39:14
thrown aside so that the inner man could be exposed and could
39:18
produce life. That's what the member does that
39:21
does it not? It produces life.
39:23
It gives the seed of the word of God, and the woman receives the
39:27
seed and bears life. And so there's this crazy
39:30
biological answer being given to us.
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How are we be complete in Christ?
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Well, we're complete because the old man I am crucified with,
39:39
Christ is no longer I that live, but Christ that lives in me, the
39:41
life which I now live in the flesh.
39:43
I live by faith of the Son of God who loved me and gave
39:46
himself for me. This flesh with its affections
39:49
and lusts has been circumcised, cut off, tossed aside, so that
39:55
Christ can live within us, so that he can live through us.
39:59
And it's not automatic. We still have to walk as those
40:03
that are alive from the dead. We need to reckon or count
40:07
ourselves to be dead indeed to sin and alive unto God.
40:10
But the reality is there, you have been freed from your body
40:15
of flesh. The old man has been cut off
40:18
with his deeds. The affections and lusts have
40:21
been crucified. You have been circumcised in
40:24
Christ, an operation of God made without hands.
40:27
The body of the sins of the flesh has been cut away by the
40:32
circumcision of Christ so that we can now be free to walk after
40:37
the Spirit. And we can say a lot more about
40:39
this, but I know there's more verses coming right that.
40:44
That is plum good. And I knew it would because I've
40:46
heard you talk about that before, Dad.
40:48
And that is, that is the crux of Christianity right there.
40:53
Knowing that that useless piece of flesh that used to rule you
40:59
is cast aside. Now you can walk free in Christ.
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Man, that is good. That is good news.
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Melbourne. Anything that or talk about?
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Yeah, I just wanted to. Say you explained that very
41:12
well, Dan. I like what it says there in the
41:15
latter part of that verse. It explains what that
41:17
circumcision actually looks like.
41:21
It says in putting off the body of sins of the flesh by the
41:28
circumcision of Christ. I like what it says there.
41:31
By the circumcision of Christ. It's by Christ that our body,
41:36
our our flesh or the sin is put to death, right?
41:40
And in Romans 6 it says, knowing this, that our old man is
41:45
crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed.
41:49
It says the body of sin is destroyed, that henceforth we
41:53
should not serve sin for for he. That is dead.
41:57
Is freed from sin. And it says Now, if we be dead
42:01
with Christ, we believe that we shall also live with Him.
42:05
And then in verse 11, he says directing ourselves to that
42:09
truth, like align ourselves with that truth.
42:13
But I I think that is that's what stood out to me is, is that
42:19
latter part of that verse that it's, it's not by he just got
42:22
done, you know, going through the rudiments of the world and,
42:25
and all those things that we try and take care of sin by other
42:29
ways. And, and it is only by the sins
42:33
of the flesh of the circumcision of Christ.
42:35
Christ has done it. It's through him, it's through
42:38
his death and his resurrection, nothing else.
42:42
So. You guys must be peeling onions.
42:45
Mine makes my eyes water. All right, Andrew.
42:48
Yeah, I. Think another significant point
42:52
that a lot of people kind of gloss over is it says that we
42:58
are circumcised. Everybody wants to make it.
43:02
This progressions to fit our experience, yes.
43:06
And that's that's again outside of the gospel.
43:11
You don't want to progressively be circumcised.
43:14
No, that would that would be. Painful.
43:17
Yeah. Yeah.
43:18
No, no, no, yeah. That hey, that's good.
43:24
That's a good one. Yeah, I'll use.
43:27
That the. Next time, OK, let me start
43:29
chopping, then we'll do the rest of it tomorrow.
43:34
Yeah, my goodness. That's good.
43:37
But we are crucified, circumcised, we are buried with
43:43
him. That's God's.
43:45
Way and. His means by which he.
43:50
Dealt with this sin problem that.
43:51
We're all still trying to deal with you see the.
43:54
Moment. That see.
43:57
So let's do it this way. Let's say I get faced with lust
44:06
and I'm right in the middle of the temptation, and Satan might
44:13
come along and say, you know what?
44:17
In your head, you just. Better off to just go through
44:20
with it because it's just that way.
44:22
You won't have to deal with this temptation anymore.
44:25
And then a man would come up, a Christian or a religious person
44:29
might come up and say, yeah, you know that evil spirit well.
44:33
Before that I would tell the. Devil, you know what Jesus
44:36
Christ said? He made me free from it.
44:37
So and then the devil would say, yeah, but I'm, you know, I'm
44:40
still here. And I said, yeah, but he
44:42
defeated you too. In fact, he made you and he also
44:45
triumphed over you. And then a man might come with
44:48
some philosophy and say, hey, I was lusting with the same thing.
44:52
I had that same problem and here's what I did.
44:55
And I say, no, I I know that's what you do, but this is what
44:59
Jesus did. Like somehow we need to figure
45:03
out. Where we're going wrong here so
45:05
as? Soon as we're going with some
45:07
other plan, then we're not believing this again.
45:12
Now we're not having faith again then.
45:15
So the reason that I laugh at people that say, oh, I know that
45:21
like I had this one guy that is a buffoon when it comes to
45:24
believing this stuff is. He's like, I just can tell.
45:29
That there's. Evil spirits and there's demons
45:31
around your property. Down there and.
45:34
And around your. Fellowship.
45:36
And I think there's some serious stuff going on and in in the
45:40
spiritual realm, when you're just oblivious to it and you
45:42
don't, I just laugh at it. Like and they think I'm
45:46
ridiculous. Here's the Here's the reason.
45:49
I don't have any time for that stuff the moment.
45:51
I would go down chasing demons. I wouldn't believe this, right?
45:56
I wouldn't. Believe it.
45:58
They're trying to get me. Away from believing that Jesus
46:01
Christ triumphed over every principality and power and he's
46:03
in me and he separated me from the body of flesh and sin.
46:07
Where the devil has access to, he doesn't have any access to my
46:11
spirit. It's glorifying, it's holy, it's
46:13
righteous. It's not going to penetrate
46:15
that. The only thing that Satan can
46:18
get to and mess with is my carnal mind and my flesh and
46:21
emotions. That's what he's going to come
46:24
after. And then if I.
46:27
If I. Don't believe it, I'll pay
46:29
attention to it. If I don't believe the gospel, I
46:31
will give place to the devil. I will hear him, and I will hear
46:36
the philosopher. I will hear the world.
46:38
I will hear everything. But if I believe Christ, I don't
46:42
hear it. It doesn't have any power over
46:44
me. A dent man.
46:46
Is not trying to defend. Himself from a woman, a dent.
46:48
Man is not going to try to. Figure out generational.
46:53
Curses. He's not going to do it.
46:55
He's completely free, laying there peaceful as eyes close.
46:59
Nothing's moving completely at rest, so that's why.
47:06
I'm arrogant when it comes to. Generational curses and.
47:12
People thinking there's all these.
47:13
Evil powers? No, I'm not.
47:17
I can't believe both. Yeah.
47:20
Yeah, I. I would acknowledge that there's
47:22
evil powers, sure, but what? What is that?
47:24
To me, that's like, So what? Why do you want me to believe in
47:28
them? I'm going to believe.
47:29
In them and also. Believe that I'm free.
47:33
You know, all right, let's go to the next step.
47:37
Here, Andrew, I'll let you go on this.
47:40
Actually, Melvin, why? Don't you go.
47:43
Verse Verse 12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are
47:47
risen with him through the. Faith of the.
47:51
Operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
47:55
So we talked about circumcision, how that we are.
47:59
The body of the sins of the flesh has been put away by
48:04
Christ. Now he is saying that we are one
48:08
with him in baptism. I like what it says in Galatians
48:14
327 very clearly. For as many of you as have been
48:19
baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
48:23
He's on and. That's kind of what this.
48:24
Text is saying that we're in him.
48:26
He's on us, Melvin as well. Yeah, well, it's.
48:31
Like Dan was saying earlier that he touched on it a little bit,
48:34
that this baptism, it's not talking about water baptism,
48:38
it's saying that it's something about being baptized into
48:41
Christ, that we're in Christ, we're put in Christ when we
48:46
become born again. So we're buried with him in
48:50
baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him.
48:54
I like what it says there. It says through the faith of the
48:57
operation of God who hath raised him from the dead.
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It's like he's trying to again point out that it's this whole
49:08
thing of Christ and being complete in him and that he is
49:12
the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
49:14
He's again making a point that the operation of God who has
49:19
raised him from the dead, like there's no other prophet,
49:23
there's no other God. These all these false gods that
49:28
Allah and all these other false gods that people put their trust
49:32
in or try and follow after that are dead like they are not a
49:37
lot. None of those are alive today.
49:39
So he's pointing out that Christ is a lie and God raised him from
49:45
the dead. But and then so that makes it so
49:50
real to us that we are buried with him, with baptism like our
49:55
body, like I read in Romans 6 there that our old man is
50:00
crucified with him, like our old man is put to death.
50:04
It is dead. And but not only that, I like
50:09
what it I read there in verse 8 not now in Romans 6 verse 8, it
50:17
says now we if we be dead with Christ, we believe that we shall
50:20
also live with him knowing that Christ being raised up from the
50:25
dead dieth no more and death hath no more dominion over him.
50:30
It the reason that Christ is alive It's because he conquered
50:35
death. He's he had to be risen from the
50:37
dead to conquer death. Death don't have dominion over
50:40
him anymore. Lot so like that we are dead to
50:43
sin and and it but the reality is, though, you know, people
50:48
say, well, I we still sin and and you're right, we do
50:52
sometimes we do fall, but I like what it says there in first
50:58
John. It says my little children, I
51:01
pray that you sin not. But if any man sin, we have an
51:04
advocate and that advocate is Jesus Christ.
51:06
And so if we do sin with it has to be Christ.
51:12
We have to come back to this in Romans 6 and and what we're
51:17
studying here in cautions too about Christ and that he is
51:21
complete or he is the fullness of the Godhead bodily and we are
51:25
complete in him. That's where our victory lies.
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Amen, 100. Percent, Andrew.
51:33
Yeah, that's the the. Favorite thing is like when you
51:37
when you share this type of gospel and freedom from sin that
51:40
this is the answer then. Most people were like.
51:44
So did you? You don't sin anymore then?
51:48
And I'm like, yeah, probably still do, but this is still the.
51:52
Answer Thanks for the. Challenge to for me to believe
51:58
it more like are you believing it?
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Are you still sinning? Like you have a plan that works
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like this is this is this is how God did it.
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And if I still sin because I'm not walking in Christ as I have
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received him, so challenge me with that.
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If you want to challenge me about my sin, then challenge me
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with the fact that I'm not believing in who God has already
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made me. I'm not walking in it.
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I'm not walking in Christ like I received him.
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I'm not walking in the power that is already available for
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me. Challenge me with that.
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Give me that faith challenge. I'll receive it.
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I need it. I need this study like everybody
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else does right now. I need to hear this again, need
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to be reminded of this all the time because it's a faith.
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Challenge and that is the first thing that goes is faith.
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We are so quickly distracted and then all of a sudden we're like,
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what did I do? You know?
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So yeah, I we're buried with him.
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That's through baptism and it's not water baptism.
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Remember when the German of Israel went down in the sea with
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and the Egyptians came after them?
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Paul says later in the New Testament that all were baptized
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on the Moses. So there.
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Weren't some people? Walking on like strays that kind
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of got away and all that. Somehow now we got to still
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conquer those kind of little demons that got away.
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It is somehow slipped through the water and came, popped their
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heads out. No, the enemy was destroyed and
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they were free. The old man Egypt was gone, cut
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away, separated, dead in the sea, and they weren't popping
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back up. And they had.
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To they didn't have to keep walking through the wilderness
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looking over their back, but I think I I heard an Egyptian.
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You know why you're struggling. That Egyptian you.
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Know that. Egyptian back there is still
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messing with you but. Israelites going to say no I
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he's dead. That's right, I like Chariots.
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So. Not once after they went through
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there did they ever deal with that Egyptian.
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Not once. But we're telling.
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Them it's like. The Gospel and.
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Another one of those progressive.
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Type things. Yeah, the I, I.
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Like to think in these verses of the words operation and
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circumcision and put the two together and recognize that God
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is a surgeon. He has performed an operation,
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He has done the miraculous, He has cut you away from your
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flesh. Now most people, most
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Christians, even ones that believe this concept of being
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free from the power and grip of sin, they make the flesh to be
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something other than what it is. It is simply that your body of
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flesh, the thing that weighs down your seat, that you put
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clothes on, that you, you know, comb the hair of and brush your
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beard and whatever else you do to this body of flesh is what
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drags us into sin. And the Bible says through the
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faith of the operation of God, God being the surgeon, he
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performed an operation. He cut you away.
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He cut off the old man, the external man, and he cast it
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aside. And now he's challenging us to
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walk as those that are alive from the dead.
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That's the challenge. Now everything in your
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experience, what you see here feel, taste and touch screams
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the opposite. But God says the just shall live
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by faith. He's he's challenging you
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believe something that looks and feels and sounds impossible.
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We live in a different realm folks like he's going to tell us
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that we are seated with Christ in the heavenly places.
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Our life is hidden together with Christ and God.
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Are any of those things a reality?
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Do any of those things feel real?
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No, they're they're things that we believe.
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We trust in these things. There was an operation performed
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when Christ died on the cross in which you were crucified.
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Your old man, the body of sin, was destroyed.
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He was cut away, and by baptism into the by the Spirit, into the
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body of Christ, you participated in that operation.
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Whether you feel like it or not, This is the reality.
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This is the scriptural fact that is true of you.
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You are dead and freed from sin. Yeah, but I don't feel like it.
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Don't philosophize. Don't use your wisdom.
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Don't argue with me by saying this is my experience.
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We're not talking about how you've performed.
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We're talking about what God has said.
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God has said you are free from the body.
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It has been cut off. It has been destroyed.
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You were baptized into Christ's body so that when he died, you
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died. When he was raised, you were
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raised. When he ascended into heaven.
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You ascended into heaven knowing this, that our old man is
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crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed.
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Romans 8 verse 9 says, But ye are not in the flesh, but in the
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spirit. If so be that the Spirit of God
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dwell in you. Now if any man have not the
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spirit of Christ, he's none of his.
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And if Christ be in you, what is dead then what's dead?
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The body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because
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of Christ, because of righteousness.
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Sorry, but if the spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the
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dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ in the dead
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shall also quicken your mortal bodies by the Spirit that
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dwelleth in you. So don't use wisdom and
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philosophy and vain deceit to control this external outer man.
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The old man has been put off with his deeds, with his
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affections and lusts. Christ did this for you and
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that's why we're saying find your completion, your fullness,
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your identity in him. Knowing the what I mean by
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identity is who are you today you should be able to say I am
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free from sin. I am currently not because I
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have performed a certain way, not because I have said you
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know, touch not taste not handle not I am dead and freed from sin
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because that's what God says of me.
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I was baptized into Jesus through the faith of the
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operation of God. My old flesh was put away and
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now I am a new man in Christ Jesus.
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And that's that is what it's saying.
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But all of our human reason wants to reason this away and
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say no, no, I'm becoming that. I'm progressing there.
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I'm trying to be that. No, this is a truth today,
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whether you feel it or not. If you are a believer in Jesus,
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this is the facts about your state before God.
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It's a believer. 'S reality, it's a believer's
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reality that you are seated and having the places in Christ
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Jesus and you, you're trying to disagree with it like we human
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human, the human experience is trying to disagree with it all
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the time. Rather use philosophy.
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And rudiments and wisdom to make yourself better.
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And the favorite 1 is. That I've tried so hard to get
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to people is they say, oh, this is talking about spiritual.
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If this is not physical, this is spiritual death.
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This is spiritual man, this is spiritual.
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And if that's if that were true, let's let's go, let's say that
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was true. We're still in our sins.
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We're still in our sins. If.
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Jesus Christ did not. Physically die, and we did not
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physically fleshly die with him. Then the physical, fleshly,
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sinful creature didn't get cut off, weren't circumcised from
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the heart if. It was too spiritual.
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That doesn't work at all well. Cutting off cutting.
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Off your foreskin is spiritual then that?
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I mean, that just doesn't make sense, right?
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Yeah. And it's it's.
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Always going to be a a battle because when you were saying
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Andrew and and Dan. Because we war against that, our
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flesh rejects the idea that there is, you know, it's a, it's
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a natural consequence. I can't almost blame people for
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not taking it, for taking grievance against the idea that
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we would be free from this, because it is totally against
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our flesh to think that away. And, and the reason I know that
1:00:26
for a fact I think so, but I reason I know it is because in
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Romans 8 it says for to be carnally minded is death, but to
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be spiritually minded is life and peace because the carnal
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mind is an enemy of God. It's enmity against God, he
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says, for it is not subject to the law of God.
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Actually, he says it can't be. So there's always going to be
1:00:48
that enmity. There's always going to be the
1:00:50
lust to go back to a physical way to manage your sins instead
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of letting go and realizing that God and in these truths that
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we're just talking about. So that's something that we're
1:01:01
always going to face as humans, but we're not always going to
1:01:04
have to believe. It's always going to be there to
1:01:06
take up the slack if you let it. I mean, it is in our face so
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much as a society. We'll say things like, oh, I'm
1:01:14
just a Sinner saved by grace. No, you are not just a Sinner
1:01:17
saved. But that is not what God teaches
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us. That is that is that is a carnal
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mind. That is what that is.
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And so, but, but it's always there.
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It's always there to take up slack.
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So anyway, hour, hour is up. Is there something else then
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that has to be said? No it doesn't.
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I got to. I got to say something, yet I
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don't blame people either for because I just said.
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I needed to hear this. Too, I need to be a reminder of
1:01:43
this that I do blame people for not being able to look into and
1:01:48
believe in God, at least just. Just refusing to even go there
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and looking for God actually says that's a problem we need to
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be. Humble enough?
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To at least. Look at what God's plan is to
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deliver us. It's it's the best one out
1:02:05
there. There's not another one that
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equals it. Well, there's plenty of other
1:02:08
plans, but not as good as this. So all right, that's it.
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We're. Going to cut her off.
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There's plenty more that. Could be said, but we'll touch
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that next week, give you a reason to come back and visit
1:02:16
with us again next week. So anyway, bless you for your
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time. Thanks for your input brothers.
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I really appreciate it and many others do too.
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Thanks for being on and everybody else that's listening
1:02:26
on all the different platforms appreciate it very much.
1:02:29
God bless you. I pray that God would keep you
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in His pure and holy position that He placed you in and that
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you would realize it. God bless you, see you later.