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Prayer and Healing with Beatty Carmichael · The Trauma Therapist

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Trauma Theavers podcast.
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  Speaker 2: My name is guiming person and I interview incredible people
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  Speaker 2: who share the story of how trauma has shaped their lives.
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  Speaker 2: And a big thank you for sponsoring today's episode goes
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  Speaker 2: to my guest and our sponsors. So five, four, three,
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  Speaker 2: two and one, our folks, welcome back to the podcast.
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  Speaker 2: Very excited to have as my guest today. Baty Carmichael Batty, welcome.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you, and thank you for having me on.
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  Speaker 1: Guy appreciate that so.
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  Speaker 2: Beaty is the author of the book The Prayer of Freedom,
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  Speaker 2: dedicated to helping people break free from chronic pain, mental
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  Speaker 2: health struggles, addictions, and more. He developed a unique three
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  Speaker 2: step approach to prayer with an astounding eighty seven percent
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  Speaker 2: success rate and setting people free from their struggles in
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  Speaker 2: real world terms. What this means is that for every
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  Speaker 2: twenty people who follow this approach, you nearly eighteen leave
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  Speaker 2: completely free of most of their issues, i e. Addictions,
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  Speaker 2: chronic pain, anxiety, depression, bipolar disorders, etc. Baby welcome to
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  Speaker 2: the podcast. Thank you so all right, before we get going,
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  Speaker 2: before we dive in, share with our listeners where you're
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  Speaker 2: from originally and where you are currently.
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  Speaker 4: Where I'm from originally is Birmingham, Alabama. Where I am
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  Speaker 4: currently is Birmingham, Alabama.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, sounds good. So let's set the stage here. Are we.
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  Speaker 2: Give us context? Are we talking about a Christian platform,
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  Speaker 2: Christian beliefs?
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  Speaker 4: No, this is the cool thing about it. So now
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  Speaker 4: I am Christian. But this approach is simply spiritual, meaning
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  Speaker 4: you can identify physical laws through observation and you can
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  Speaker 4: identify spiritual laws through observation. And this works off of
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  Speaker 4: the spiritual laws and it makes no difference what one believes.
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  Speaker 4: And may I've done this with people have no belief.
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  Speaker 4: They're either agnostic, they may be atheists, and they definitely
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  Speaker 4: don't believe that prayer will help them with anything until
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  Speaker 4: they go through and then the skeptic turns into a believer.
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  Speaker 2: So let's define some terms here. How do we define
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  Speaker 2: or how do you define? How are you defining spiritual
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  Speaker 2: or spirituality?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: Great question.
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  Speaker 4: So physical reality is what we feel in touch, our
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  Speaker 4: flesh and everything we experience. But most people believe and
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  Speaker 4: feel that there's a spiritual realm. They're like, there's probably
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  Speaker 4: a god somewhere that created us. And if there is
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  Speaker 4: a god, out there, He's in a different dimension. And
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  Speaker 4: that's what I'm talking about spirituality, just the existence of
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  Speaker 4: another realm. In fact, I think sciences mathematics has identified
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  Speaker 4: ten different realms dimensions of realms, and so it's just
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  Speaker 4: something other than this earthly.
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  Speaker 1: Earthly. Yeah, okay, okay, So let's begin with how the
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  Speaker 1: heck did you get involved in this? What brought you here?
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  Speaker 4: That is an interesting story. So it actually started probably
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  Speaker 4: about two hundred years ago. But I was born into
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  Speaker 4: a line of seven generations of medical doctors, and these
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  Speaker 4: are people focused on healing through the science of medicine,
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  Speaker 4: not pharmacology like it is today, but doctors back then
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  Speaker 4: they tested everything. I did not go into medicine. Actually,
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  Speaker 4: I am a business owner. I helped real estate agents
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  Speaker 4: generate listings in the United States with a little company
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  Speaker 4: called Agent Dominator. It's kind of a boutique marketing firm.
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  Speaker 3: But nine years.
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  Speaker 4: Ago, I was watching a documentary series on Netflix on
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  Speaker 4: people that would go out and pray and the people
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  Speaker 4: they pray for would be healed. I mean, people would
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  Speaker 4: get out of a wheelchair, they're walking with a crutch
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  Speaker 4: and now they no longer need it. And it really
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  Speaker 4: gripped me. And it wasn't until later that I realized,
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  Speaker 4: sometimes we see patterns coming down, Like I know you're
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  Speaker 4: in the in the military. I don't know if any
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  Speaker 4: of your ancestors or military, but usually you'll have like
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  Speaker 4: you know.
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  Speaker 3: Some in the military, military, military, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, general, general, general, general. There's like a pattern or
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  Speaker 4: what I'll call a mantle. And I think that in
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  Speaker 4: my lineage there was a mantle of healing. The difference
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  Speaker 4: is I started once I started finding seeing those videos,
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  Speaker 4: I started to pursue this. I wanted to understand could
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  Speaker 4: prayer really impact health? And as I started to pursue it,
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  Speaker 4: I started to realize the reality of it. I started
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  Speaker 4: praying for people about six months later, and about a
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  Speaker 4: thirty of the people I.
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  Speaker 3: Prayed for were healed.
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  Speaker 4: I mean like RSD and degenerative disc you know, some
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  Speaker 4: things that were like kind of major stuff. And then
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  Speaker 4: as I can to you to press in, I saw
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  Speaker 4: about ninety percent being healed.
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  Speaker 3: Now that was me praying.
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  Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, after a number of
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  Speaker 4: years I prayed for people and almost no one got healed.
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  Speaker 4: So I go God, what happened? And he said, well,
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  Speaker 4: I took away your healing, so now you can teach
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  Speaker 4: others how to do it on their own. And I
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  Speaker 4: understood what he meant, so I started to By this time,
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  Speaker 4: I started to recognize that there seemed to be some
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  Speaker 4: correlation between spiritual roots in our lives, that something we've
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  Speaker 4: done that maybe we should not have done, and consequence
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  Speaker 4: that ties into pain or sickness or issues in our life.
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  Speaker 4: And I one the only one that saw it. I'm
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  Speaker 4: sure a guy you've heard of karma before. Of course, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: we all heard of It is from the Hindu religion.
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  Speaker 4: And here's what karma says. If you do bad things,
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  Speaker 4: bad things happen to you. If you do good things,
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  Speaker 4: good things happened to you. What they're doing that they're
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  Speaker 4: assigning a human understanding to spiritual laws, because it's the
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  Speaker 4: spiritual realm that when you're doing bad things, it seems
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  Speaker 4: like bad things start to happen more consistently. And I
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  Speaker 4: started to see those same type of laws, and I
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  Speaker 4: started to learn how to apply it in a way.
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  Speaker 4: I started with the theory first that there must be
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  Speaker 4: something that we've done that we should not have done,
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  Speaker 4: and that then creates a consequence. And this is actually
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  Speaker 4: kind of in bred in human society for millennia because
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  Speaker 4: you see in ancient cultures, they're always sacrificing to some god.
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  Speaker 4: They're offering up contrition, I'm sorry that I didn't follow
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  Speaker 4: you exactly, and then they're asking their petition, now will
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  Speaker 4: you help me in battle or help me with harvest?
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  Speaker 4: So you see this pattern and regardless whether it's the
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  Speaker 4: Aztec culture, the Mayan culture, or the Hebrew culture, or
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  Speaker 4: the islam culture or Hindu it's always the same pattern.
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  Speaker 4: And the question is why across the world, across millennia,
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  Speaker 4: is there always the same pattern that's in bread embedded
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  Speaker 4: in us? And there's a reality there. And that's what
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  Speaker 4: I started to pursue, and that's how I got here,
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  Speaker 4: is you know, inquiring minds one to know, and I
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  Speaker 4: wanted to know.
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  Speaker 2: So when you first watched that documentary, was your what
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  Speaker 2: were you thinking? Were you thinking, Wow, this is amazing, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: this is BS or how I was happy?
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  Speaker 3: So what happened with me?
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  Speaker 4: So? I grew up in the church, in a very
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  Speaker 4: legalistic church. And when I mean legalistic, eye for an eye,
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  Speaker 4: tooth for tooth, it's your fault. If you're sick, you
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  Speaker 4: know that type of thing, and they would pray, you know,
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  Speaker 4: when they would pray for healing, they would say, word,
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  Speaker 4: heal this person, if it be your will, meaning you
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  Speaker 4: may have brought this sick on this person because you
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  Speaker 4: wanted him sick. And they also believed that God really
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  Speaker 4: doesn't heal to day except once in a blue moon.
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  Speaker 4: So when I saw on that video, and it's actually
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  Speaker 4: a trilogy of videos, I just kind of consumed them
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  Speaker 4: all instantly. But as I saw people pray and be healed,
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  Speaker 4: it astounded me because I thought that was something only
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  Speaker 4: from you know, either stories, you know, thousands of years
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  Speaker 4: ago or something like that, and to see it happening
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  Speaker 4: now it startled me. And more than that, this kind
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  Speaker 4: of what I was talking about with this genealogy of
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  Speaker 4: seven generations of doctors. It's almost like it was something
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  Speaker 4: in my makeup that I wanted to heal. And it's
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  Speaker 4: like this thing awakened in my heart that says, wow,
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  Speaker 4: this is possible, and I just dug into it. So
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  Speaker 4: I wasn't. I didn't think it was BS. It was
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  Speaker 4: more like, oh my gosh, this is real, and my
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  Speaker 4: church has been saying it's not real, and now I
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  Speaker 4: say that maybe it is, and there's something awakened deep
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  Speaker 4: inside of me and my little cheesy moniker. You know,
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  Speaker 4: my ancestors were medical doctors. They healed through medicine. I
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  Speaker 4: guess I'm a prayer doctor because I heal through prayer.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 2: Is it necessary to believe that you were talking about
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  Speaker 2: people are sick because God? Because because of karma?
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  Speaker 1: Right? Right?
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  Speaker 2: Is this what we're talking about, that people are sick
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  Speaker 2: because of something they've done?
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  Speaker 4: Yes, necessarily it's it's it's a little bit more gentle
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  Speaker 4: than that, but ultimately yes.
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  Speaker 2: But then, okay, if we extrapolate this out, how does
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  Speaker 2: one account for.
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  Speaker 1: A little baby? Yeah, and so we're.
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  Speaker 2: Again in a past life they've done something to right.
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  Speaker 3: So so now I'm not saying that this is karma.
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  Speaker 4: Karma is just simply my my tangential point that most
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  Speaker 4: people recognize as understanding the basics of it. To simply
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  Speaker 4: illustrate that you can observe spiritual laws and even Hindus
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  Speaker 4: observe a spiritual law that they call karma. And I've
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  Speaker 4: observed similar spiritual laws. I may I don't call it karma,
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  Speaker 4: but me let me dig in a little bit deeper
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  Speaker 4: because I know this is a really good question.
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  Speaker 3: This is my theory of.
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  Speaker 4: How of why it works. Keep in mind, my theory
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  Speaker 4: of why it works is not necessarily the truth of
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  Speaker 4: exactly what's going on. It's just my working, is my
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  Speaker 4: framework of trying to put something some patterns around this
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  Speaker 4: so I can then test and see if that theory
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  Speaker 4: continues to hold water. So that's the best way I
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  Speaker 4: can describe it. But let me let me see if
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  Speaker 4: I can describe it this way in physical sciences. I've
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  Speaker 4: got my pen for the audio listeners that there are
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  Speaker 4: any I've got. I'm holding up my pen and when
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  Speaker 4: I let go of it, it's going to drop into my palm.
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  Speaker 4: And every time I lift up my pen and let
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  Speaker 4: it go, it drops. And guy, if you were to
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  Speaker 4: lift up your pen and let it go, it's going
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  Speaker 4: to drop. So now, as a physical science we can
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  Speaker 4: determine that there's something some law out there that we're
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  Speaker 4: going to call gravity, and it works whether I believe
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  Speaker 4: in it or not.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: And the reason I know that is because every time
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  Speaker 4: I do the same activity, I get the same outcome.
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  Speaker 4: What I started to do in these spiritual laws things
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  Speaker 4: is I started to follow the same pattern of activity
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  Speaker 4: that you see throughout ancient cultures. Offer contrition to this God,
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  Speaker 4: whoever he is, or God's or whatever, and say I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 4: and then ask him to now bring healing. And every
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  Speaker 4: time I go through that pattern, that's a rudimentary pattern.
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  Speaker 4: It's a little bit more complex, but that general pattern.
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  Speaker 4: It actually it starts with one more. God, if there's
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  Speaker 4: something I did wrong that I should not have done,
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  Speaker 4: that maybe missed the mark of what you wanted me
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  Speaker 4: to do, bring it to my mind. That will release
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  Speaker 4: me of this issue. So then he does. He brings
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  Speaker 4: something to mind, just flashes through like just a little thought,
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  Speaker 4: and you then offer contrition and then you ask him
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  Speaker 4: to take that thing away from you, that issue. And
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  Speaker 4: I'm finding nearly ninety percent of the time it happens
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  Speaker 4: that way. And what's interesting, you mentioned some stats up
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  Speaker 4: front in the introduction, and thank you for reading my introduction.
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  Speaker 4: I wrote that for everyone's say, yeah, right, good job.
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  Speaker 4: But here's what happened on those stats. This is really cool.
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  Speaker 4: So I teach as a volunteer at an addiction recovery
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  Speaker 4: center here in Birmingham. It's called the Love Lady Center.
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  Speaker 4: It's the largest addiction recovery center in America, houses over
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  Speaker 4: five hundred women, is a residential program. My class is
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  Speaker 4: on spiritual warfare and how to get rid of these things,
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  Speaker 4: and it's the most is the favorite class of all
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  Speaker 4: the women, because for every twenty women who come in
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  Speaker 4: suffering with addiction, and if you know anything about addicts,
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  Speaker 4: it's not only addiction they're suffering, but they have all
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  Speaker 4: kinds of trauma and emotional wounding. They have all kinds
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  Speaker 4: of chronic pain, and they have all kinds of mental
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  Speaker 4: illnesses and a lot of more medication. For every twenty
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  Speaker 4: that come into my class, literally all I do is
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  Speaker 4: I give them my book where I put all this together,
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  Speaker 4: and the back of the book has a little worksheet,
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  Speaker 4: and I give them space in my class to actually
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  Speaker 4: just do the work in the book. I don't pray
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  Speaker 4: for them. I teach them how the book is set up,
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  Speaker 4: but I let them do.
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  Speaker 1: Their own prayer.
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  Speaker 4: So they're coming in for all backgrounds, all types of religions,
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  Speaker 4: some of them aren't even religious at all, and yet
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  Speaker 4: I'm seeing nearly eighteen out of every twenty when they
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  Speaker 4: leave my class they have no addictions anymore. They have
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  Speaker 4: no chronic pain, they have no mental illness. And so
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  Speaker 4: this is what I'm saying that it's measurable, it's empirical data,
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  Speaker 4: and it doesn't matter what they believe, because most of
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  Speaker 4: them don't believe it anyway, because they you know, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: it's like they're in the classical goes. They want to
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  Speaker 4: get free, so they're going, they're willing to try. But
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  Speaker 4: if you really ask them, do you believe this?
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  Speaker 3: They go no.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, hang on a second. Just want to remind everyone
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  Speaker 2: I'm speaking with Baby Carmichael.
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  Speaker 1: His book is The.
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  Speaker 4: Power of Freedom, The Prayer of Freedom.
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  Speaker 1: Prayer of Freedom. Pardon me. So all right, let's get
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  Speaker 1: a little more specific here. What are we talking about?
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  Speaker 2: What are you saying that?
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  Speaker 1: Are you teaching a.
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  Speaker 4: Prayer teaching a prayer process, a.
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  Speaker 2: Prayer process for people who are what sick?
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  Speaker 1: Ill?
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  Speaker 4: You have rights suffering, Let's say PTSD. You're pretty familiar
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  Speaker 4: with that. Anxiety, panic attacks, bipolar disorder, sleep out, neo diabetes,
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  Speaker 4: chronic pain, fibro maalagi or rhematory arthritis, loupus. You have
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  Speaker 4: back pain, neck pain, joint pain. You have addictions, you
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  Speaker 4: have constant issues in your family. Anytime you see a
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  Speaker 4: pattern that's consistent either consistent pain, consistent illness, consistent something frequently,
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  Speaker 4: what I've been able to measure is about ninety percent
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  Speaker 4: of the time, this prayer process, and what I outlined
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  Speaker 4: in the book is successful at eliminating it.
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  Speaker 2: A prayer process. Defint what is that?
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  Speaker 4: Okay, so let me give you some Let's define some words.
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  Speaker 4: So when I started doing this, I started using the
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  Speaker 4: ancient Bible texts as my guideline for understanding spiritual laws
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  Speaker 4: because it seems to be the most accurate. I would
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  Speaker 4: read parts of the Bible and it starts to indicate
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  Speaker 4: kind of a spiritual law of some sort, and so
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  Speaker 4: then I would try to apply it. And that's where
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  Speaker 4: my study came from. And what you see in the
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  Speaker 4: Bible is two main words. One is called sin, and
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  Speaker 4: sin is it is not a thing of shame. It's
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  Speaker 4: simply defined as missing the mark. So if you think
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  Speaker 4: about you're an archery you're trying to shoot for the
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  Speaker 4: bull's eye and you hit off to that side that's
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  Speaker 4: missing the mark. That would be sin. So sin is
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  Speaker 4: when we miss the mark in terms of what this
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  Speaker 4: God of the universe wants us to do, very similar
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  Speaker 4: to children. I want my child to behave and he
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  Speaker 4: starts to misbehave, so he's missing the mark in my expectation.
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  Speaker 4: And the second part of this process, second definition is
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  Speaker 4: a is a big word called repentance, and the Greek
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  Speaker 4: for repentance means simply to change your mind to think differently.
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  Speaker 4: And what that means is like, let's say if we
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  Speaker 4: put this in a child example. For a moment, your
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  Speaker 4: child is disobeying and having a fussy fit, okay, and
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  Speaker 4: so you say I'm going to spank you if you
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  Speaker 4: don't calm down, and he doesn't calm down, so you
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  Speaker 4: spank him, and then he goes, oh, I'm sorry, and
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  Speaker 4: he stopped. So now he has a change of mind.
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  Speaker 4: And so what we see is a very similar pattern.
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  Speaker 4: When the child misbehaves, we're going to bring discipline, and
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  Speaker 4: that discipline is to correct the child so that the
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  Speaker 4: child learns how to grow up into a good adult.
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  Speaker 3: Okay.
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  Speaker 4: So what I've said now this is my working theory
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  Speaker 4: on this, but it seems that the pattern is similar
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  Speaker 4: when we do something where we miss the mark with
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  Speaker 4: what God wants us to do, like love our neighbor
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  Speaker 4: rather than go beat him up, okay, or things of
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  Speaker 4: that sort. Then it opens the door for us to
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  Speaker 4: start to have issues in our life. And there's not
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  Speaker 4: necessarily a rhyme or reason. I've seen some patterns in
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  Speaker 4: what the issue might be, but it's everything I listed.
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  Speaker 4: It's either something of pain, something of mental issue, something
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  Speaker 4: of physical issue that's not pain, like glaucoma. You know,
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  Speaker 4: you just you lose the quality of your life. And
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  Speaker 4: when I so the process very in a very rudimentary
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  Speaker 4: says approaches. Let's say I've got neck pain in the
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  Speaker 4: back of my neck, I would simply say, God, if
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  Speaker 4: you're up there, if there's a spiritual root something I've
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  Speaker 4: missed the mark on tied to this neck pain, would
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  Speaker 4: you bring it to my mind right now?
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  Speaker 1: And maybe so let me interject for a second.
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  Speaker 2: So at the very basic level on this, you're asserting
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  Speaker 2: that the person who is ill or sick has to
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  Speaker 2: be contrite, has to say that they've done something wrong
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  Speaker 2: or admit, yeah, yeah, admit something wrong.
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  Speaker 4: Right, I want to hesitate using the word contrition. Contrition
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  Speaker 4: says like.
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  Speaker 3: Oh I'm so sorry.
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  Speaker 4: Sometimes they're not, but right, So watch this in a
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  Speaker 4: legal courtroom. It's the words you say so much the
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  Speaker 4: heart in which you say it, that drives the outcome.
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  Speaker 4: Because in a legal process, it's about process and words.
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  Speaker 4: Words mean something very specific. So you can have someone
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  Speaker 4: that is being accused of some criminal crime and he
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  Speaker 4: says all the right words, files all the right documents,
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  Speaker 4: and he's all free and he's not really contrite about it.
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  Speaker 4: There's no contrition. He just worked the system. And I
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  Speaker 4: have found at times. So let's say forgiveness for example,
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  Speaker 4: because this is a big thing. And by the way,
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  Speaker 4: there's a lot of medical science behind forgiveness, having all
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  Speaker 4: kinds of issues in terms of depression and loss of
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  Speaker 4: energy and exhaustion and pain and all kinds of bodily
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  Speaker 4: issues of just a higher risk of organ failure and diabetes.
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  Speaker 4: And they can see the medical process. So what happens
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  Speaker 4: with unforgiveness is there are a lot of things that
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  Speaker 4: are tied to that. Like I remember one lady, her
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  Speaker 4: name was Susan, and she had rheumatoried arthritis for about
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  Speaker 4: fifteen or twenty years. She asked if I prayed with her,
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  Speaker 4: and as I'm about to, I was just prompted, do
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  Speaker 4: you have unforgiveness for anyone. She said yes. I said,
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  Speaker 4: who is it? She says, my sister. She did something
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  Speaker 4: against my mother about twenty years ago, and I've never
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  Speaker 4: forgiven her. Said would you be willing to forgive her?
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  Speaker 4: She said, yeah, I would be, so watch this now.
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  Speaker 4: She hadn't forgiven because she didn't want to forgive.
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  Speaker 3: It was deep.
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  Speaker 4: So now I simply led her to say, Dear God,
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  Speaker 4: I forgive my sister for what she did. There's not
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  Speaker 4: really a big contrition. She wasn't crying about oh my God, I.
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  Speaker 1: Was so bad.
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  Speaker 4: It was just words right that connotate a at least
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  Speaker 4: a little inkling of a feeling of the heart. And
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  Speaker 4: then once she did that, we asked God to take
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  Speaker 4: away her arthritis pain. By the end of the day
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  Speaker 4: it was gone. Then she tracked me down about five
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  Speaker 4: weeks later and said, hey, Bety, I just came back
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  Speaker 4: from the doctor last week. So this is four weeks
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  Speaker 4: after that, and he retested me for arthritis. Who said,
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  Speaker 4: I have no arthritis in my body, and yet she'd
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  Speaker 4: had it for twenty years diagnosed. But now she forgave
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  Speaker 4: her sister, and now from forgiveness, I think.
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  Speaker 2: A lot of us have heard incredible stories like that
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  Speaker 2: where people have been healed.
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  Speaker 1: What about the people who don't get healed, who are chatrite? Yeah?
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  Speaker 4: So what I'm learning, right, So keep in mind, and
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  Speaker 4: I say this both in jest and also seriousness, but
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  Speaker 4: not in critique. I'm not God, so I don't know
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  Speaker 4: how he works, right, I don't know how all this works.
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  Speaker 4: I'm a scientist and I'm understanding things as I go.
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  Speaker 4: But my opinion is this, there are some things that
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  Speaker 4: are not tied to a spiritual root. Right, So my
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  Speaker 4: arm hurts and it could be a spiritual root, or
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  Speaker 4: it could be because I banged it against the door
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  Speaker 4: and I got a bruise, and that was just a
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  Speaker 4: physical action. What I'm starting to sense in all of
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  Speaker 4: this is sometimes the outward manifestation of our issue is
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  Speaker 4: the same outward manifestation even if it wasn't tied to
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  Speaker 4: a spiritual root.
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  Speaker 3: It's almost like the spiritual.
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  Speaker 4: Root says, God says, And this isn't how it happens.
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  Speaker 4: But this is kind of a simple way. Okay, Well,
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  Speaker 4: you disobeyed what I wanted you to do, so now
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  Speaker 4: I'm going to allow diabetes to come in. Okay, and
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  Speaker 4: then once I handle that spiritual root. He takes diabetes away.
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  Speaker 4: But if I just eat heavy stuff myself, I can
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  Speaker 4: get diabetes without God's involvement. So I think there's some
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  Speaker 4: things out there that either the spiritual root is too
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  Speaker 4: deep that my approach doesn't really touch, or it's just
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  Speaker 4: not a spiritual root.
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  Speaker 1: Fair enough.
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  Speaker 2: I appreciate you you saying that, So let's get specific
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: people are going to read this.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, who's the book for?
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  Speaker 4: The book is for two types of people. Anyone that
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  Speaker 4: is suffering with anything they want to get rid of.
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  Speaker 4: Read constant relationship. I've seen this turn marriage relationships around.
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  Speaker 4: So constant relationship issues like you go from relationship to
• 23:26
  Speaker 4: relationship to relationship, or you have constant pain somewhere, or
• 23:31
  Speaker 4: little things that keep happening. But it's always seemed to
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: be a pattern. Anyone that's suffering with persistent sickness, mental illnesses, addictions.
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: So anytime there's something that you would say, God, would
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: you please get rid of this for me? Would you
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: please help me through these issues that keep coming up,
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: that's either that person or the loved one of someone
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: who knows someone like that person. That's who the book
• 23:59
  Speaker 4: is for.
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  Speaker 2: And this prayer process is what I'm not asking you
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  Speaker 2: to give us the whole book, but give us an
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  Speaker 2: idea of what it is.
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  Speaker 4: So what is actually going to do is I've identified.
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  Speaker 4: So let me kind of walk you through how the
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: book is set, because I think this will answer you
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: the question. So for the listeners, it's the Prayer Freedom
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  Speaker 4: And if you were just to type that in Google
• 24:26
  Speaker 4: or Amazon, you're going to get so many searches that
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: you'll won't you won't find it. So if you add
• 24:30
  Speaker 4: the word book at the end, the Prayerfreedombook dot com,
• 24:34
  Speaker 4: that's how you get it. But the first half of
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: the book is talking about the spiritual laws and how
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  Speaker 4: they operate, the ones that I've identified, and what's going
• 24:42
  Speaker 4: on and my kind of my theory on how everything
• 24:47
  Speaker 4: connects the dot so we can see visually this pattern.
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  Speaker 4: Because once people understand and they go, Okay, I can
• 24:52
  Speaker 4: now man, I can look, I can move forward with that.
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  Speaker 4: Then the second half is really tied into how do
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  Speaker 4: you do this? In the appendix, I've identified eighteen different
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  Speaker 4: categories of things that we might have done where we
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  Speaker 4: might have missed the marking God's eyes. So let me
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  Speaker 4: just give you a couple of them. So this starts
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  Speaker 4: to make sense. Unforgiveness. It's number one thing. I find
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  Speaker 4: that sixty percent probably of most people's issues is tied
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  Speaker 4: to unforgiveness. So you make a list of the people
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  Speaker 4: that you say, God, bring to mind anyone that I
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  Speaker 4: need to forgive, and you just make a list, okay,
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  Speaker 4: because there's probably a couple of people, especially early childhood
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  Speaker 4: usually is where.
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  Speaker 3: A lot of that is.
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  Speaker 4: Then anyone that so God says, you know, you know,
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  Speaker 4: you should only be sleeping with a mate in marriage,
• 25:45
  Speaker 4: So anytime you have sex outside of marriage, what is that?
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  Speaker 1: Then?
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  Speaker 3: Little things all.
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  Speaker 4: The way to pride. You know, are you prideful or
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  Speaker 4: something like prideful over your athletic ability and how much
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  Speaker 4: better you are and it's something important to you. Well,
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  Speaker 4: doesn't like pride. It says pride comes before the fall.
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  Speaker 4: So I've identified eighteen different categories like these where most
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  Speaker 4: of these issues tie into. And it just literally is
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  Speaker 4: making a list of what those issues are. And then
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  Speaker 4: I've given a simple prayer process that you can follow,
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  Speaker 4: the simple words to say that basically, say God, I'm
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  Speaker 4: sorry for sleeping with Susie and sleeping with Tony and
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  Speaker 4: sleeping with right, Okay, I'm sorry for being prideful on
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  Speaker 4: this and getting angry that one time when I really
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  Speaker 4: blew up in anger and I hurt my.
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  Speaker 3: Wife with it.
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  Speaker 4: Now I've got these different pains when you please start
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  Speaker 4: taking these away. So simply the prayer process of once
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  Speaker 4: I make the list, then you're just literally going down
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  Speaker 4: that list, and there's.
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  Speaker 3: No emotion involved.
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  Speaker 4: I mean, you may get emotional as you do it,
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  Speaker 4: but it's not tight on emotion. It's simply tight on
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  Speaker 4: saying I'm sorry. And it's like your own child. You know,
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  Speaker 4: my child disobeys, I'm going to put him in time out,
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  Speaker 4: and then he comes to me and say, Daddy, I'm
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  Speaker 4: sorry for doing that. Oh I love you, little Tony.
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  Speaker 4: You know, be free, you know, get out of you know,
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  Speaker 4: you're no longer in time out, you know.
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  Speaker 3: And it's just a.
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  Speaker 4: Matter of saying, I just want you to say I'm
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  Speaker 4: sorry and at least own up to the fact that
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  Speaker 4: it wasn't the right thing to do. That's almost like
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  Speaker 4: how God, how I perceive this works, because that's all
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  Speaker 4: we're doing is we're saying, basically, I'm sorry. Now, will
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  Speaker 4: you remove these things from my life? And that's all
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  Speaker 4: these ladies in the Addiction Recovery Center and everyone else
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  Speaker 4: I've shared this with. Here's an interesting testimony to this
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  Speaker 4: as well.
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  Speaker 1: Guy.
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  Speaker 4: For this is anecdotal, but for about for every person
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  Speaker 4: who goes through this process, as I followed up with them,
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  Speaker 4: they typically will hand will buy and hand out about
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  Speaker 4: five books to give to their family and their friends.
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  Speaker 4: And that's a testimony because they're saying, this has made
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  Speaker 4: such an impact in my life, I want to share
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  Speaker 4: it with others. So while it sounds crazy that all
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  Speaker 4: you're doing is saying I'm sorry for this, please hell that,
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  Speaker 4: yet that's what it was. That's exactly what it is.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, that's one of the laws I saw multiple
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  Speaker 4: times throughout the ancient Bible text is saying, if you
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  Speaker 4: confess your sin, God will take away the sickness from you.
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  Speaker 2: I think, you know many of us could see or
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  Speaker 2: understand how keeping that unforgiveness in us weighs on us. Yes,
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  Speaker 2: we feel it. And similarly, I think that they're being
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: angry at someone being pissed off, being again resentful or prideful,
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  Speaker 2: but to degree that it's causing us, and I guess
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  Speaker 2: so it's causing many of us to be sick or
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  Speaker 2: to be ill. But are you saying that it's not
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  Speaker 2: necessary that we feel sorry, that's Chris. Rather, we have
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  Speaker 2: to just say it.
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  Speaker 4: We just have to say it, and it's almost, yeah,
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  Speaker 4: there's something about saying it. So watch this. My little son,
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  Speaker 4: let's say, his name is Tony, really wanted to watch
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  Speaker 4: this TV show that I didn't want him to watch.
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  Speaker 4: And I find that he watched it, you know, some
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: action movie or something, and so I put him in
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  Speaker 4: time out and then he finally comes and says, you know,
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  Speaker 4: I won't let you out until you until you tell
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  Speaker 4: me you're sorry. And so he stays her for a
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: while and he finally says, Dad, I'm sorry.
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  Speaker 3: Was he really sorry?
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  Speaker 4: No, he really enjoyed the movie. He's only sorry that
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  Speaker 4: he's in time out.
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  Speaker 3: And it's almost that way with us.
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  Speaker 4: It's not that there's this deep emotional contrition. It's simply
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  Speaker 4: the fact that we're admitting that we did wrong.
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  Speaker 3: That's all it is.
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  Speaker 4: You know, even in the Rochester's, in the legal courtrooms here,
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  Speaker 4: if you were to plead guilty, a lot of times
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  Speaker 4: the judgment is much more lenient that if you plead
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  Speaker 4: not guilty and they can fight for it. And if
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  Speaker 4: you do show contrition, even more contrition, then.
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  Speaker 3: The judgment is even less.
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  Speaker 4: So it's almost that same pattern that as long as
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  Speaker 4: we just own up to the fact that, yeah, I
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  Speaker 4: know I did wrong, I shouldn't have hit that person
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  Speaker 4: just because they said they didn't like my hat, you know,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: then then it's almost like that. And that's kind of
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: a silly example. But yeah, it's simply saying it out loud.
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  Speaker 4: In fact, I remember a couple of number of times
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  Speaker 4: as I was learning this, people would just repeat after
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  Speaker 4: me without even knowing what they're saying really or without
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  Speaker 4: even meaning it, but simply the fact that they said
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  Speaker 4: it was all that was necessary. So it's words matter.
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  Speaker 2: The book is called The Prayer of Freedom Baby. What's
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  Speaker 2: the best way for people to learn more about you
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: and get the book?
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  Speaker 4: The best way is to first go to the Prayerfreedombook
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  Speaker 4: dot com. It gives you a link both directly to
• 31:28
  Speaker 4: Amazon also a place where you can get some discounts
• 31:30
  Speaker 4: on the book if you want it, some free stuff,
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: and some more information about what the Prayer Freedom is.
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  Speaker 4: So Theprayerfreedombook dot Com. You can find me on Facebook
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: at Baty Facebook flash Baty Carmichael and if you type
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: in Baty Carmichael, that's b E a t t Y Carmichael.
• 31:49
  Speaker 4: I'm also on Instagram.
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  Speaker 1: Awesome.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: We'll have those lint up here at the show notes
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  Speaker 2: page at the Trauma Tevers podcast dot com. Beaty fascinating,
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  Speaker 2: appreciate you, thanks so much for joining me.
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  Speaker 3: Well, thank you, guys, I really enjoyed it.
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  Speaker 1: All right, take care,