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Speaker 1: It is Wednesday, September two. This is Jaguars Happy Hour.
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Speaker 1: Jaguars Happy Hour is presented by the Fields Auto Group
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Speaker 1: and now a guy who believes there's a fine line
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Speaker 1: between tanking and being tanked. J. P. Shadrick of fine,
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Speaker 1: very fine line, and welcome in. It's Jaguars Happy Hour.
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Speaker 1: Appropriate enough. JP. Shattrick. We'll get to Bucky Brooks and
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Speaker 1: John Oser coming up. We've got a busy program for
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Speaker 1: you today. It's the reaction after the fact of Inakwa
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Speaker 1: and for that being out of here, the departures, and
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Speaker 1: then what's next at those positions, the running back position
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Speaker 1: and a defensive end. We'll get into that today. It
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Speaker 1: has not been a great history of first round picks
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Speaker 1: returning to the Jaguars for second contracts. Will break that
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Speaker 1: down and maybe a little bit of what it takes
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Speaker 1: to get out of that rutt moving forward here with
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Speaker 1: all the changes, is there added pressure on Gardner Minshew
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Speaker 1: the second to carry this offense? And then we'll go
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Speaker 1: around the National Football League and our weekly Joe Judge
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Speaker 1: Report as well. John Osan is across town here in Jacksonville.
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Speaker 1: What's up, Johnny O? How are you doing I'm great,
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Speaker 1: j b I am great, and Bucky books Brooks is
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Speaker 1: across the country in California. How was the view of
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Speaker 1: things this week in l A of the Jaguars? A little.
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Speaker 1: It's a little interesting, but because it's always sunny out here,
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be very optimistic. I'm gonna look for the
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Speaker 1: silver lining and all of these things. I like the
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Speaker 1: glass half fool. That's uh, that's good. We're gonna need
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Speaker 1: it today. Let's get into what has happened here. Of course,
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Speaker 1: we start off with the departures, both in Gockway and
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Speaker 1: for Net. And John, I think you wrote about this
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Speaker 1: the other day and I'm interested your take on the
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Speaker 1: the Youngtuay departure. You kind of had an idea could
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Speaker 1: come at some point, right because it has been talked
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Speaker 1: about a possible trade, and then it finally came through
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Speaker 1: and he got sent to the Minnesota Vikings. The for
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Speaker 1: Net deal was a little bit of a surprise, a
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Speaker 1: lot of a surprise, and that Monday morning when that
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Speaker 1: email came through, the question I have for you, John,
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Speaker 1: is which departure will hurt the Jags the most? Which
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Speaker 1: departure can they overcome easiest? The God quay one or
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Speaker 1: the for Net one John Well, I don't think this
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Speaker 1: was I think it's far easier to overcome the loss
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Speaker 1: of a running back, any running back, because unless you're
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Speaker 1: a special back Ezekiel Elliott maybe tomorrow a guy like that,
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Speaker 1: a lot of what you do in this day and
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Speaker 1: age in the NFL is dependent on what's around you.
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Speaker 1: I don't know that four net had really created all
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Speaker 1: that much on his own. Since he's been here. He's
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Speaker 1: had production, But how much of it is production that
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Speaker 1: that another back wouldn't have gotten. I'm not sure it's
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Speaker 1: that high to me and got Way when you can
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Speaker 1: create turnovers off the edge, when you can create pressure
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Speaker 1: on the quarterback on your own, which he can usually do.
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Speaker 1: He's had help with doubles on the other side, but
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Speaker 1: you can't argue that he doesn't create havoc. It's far
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Speaker 1: harder to create pass rush in the NFL than it
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Speaker 1: is to create pressure from the running back position or
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Speaker 1: production from the running back position. Can you agree with that? Yeah?
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Speaker 1: I actually I do agree with it. Um you know,
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Speaker 1: when you're looking at got Way and what he's been
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Speaker 1: able to do. Thirty seven and a half Sex four
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Speaker 1: team Force falls and John talked about the turnovers, turnovers
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Speaker 1: everything in this game in the National Football League. Even
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Speaker 1: though I like Leonard Frenett and I think Leonard for
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Speaker 1: Nette has a place in this league as a feature
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Speaker 1: back in a certain system, I do believe that Jaguars
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Speaker 1: can certainly replace his production, either by committee or with
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Speaker 1: another guys stepping up. I think the loss of Jannick
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Speaker 1: and got Way is far more impactful in terms of
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Speaker 1: the way that he is able to really get after
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Speaker 1: the passer and can create these disruptive plays which are
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Speaker 1: essentially to being able to win at high level. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: And and I guess it's more difficult. I don't know,
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Speaker 1: maybe this is not right, but Buckey, He'll ask you,
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Speaker 1: is it's more difficult to develop an elite pass rusher
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Speaker 1: in this league and maintain it, especially guy that was
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Speaker 1: a third round pick than it is the running back.
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Speaker 1: Is the running back an easier position just plugging play
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Speaker 1: in the NFL, and if you develop a pass rusher,
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Speaker 1: you've got something special. Yeah, The running back position is
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Speaker 1: easier to plug and play, especially when it comes to
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Speaker 1: the draft, because when you come into the National Football
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Speaker 1: that you're running back, really you're lying on your natural instincts.
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Speaker 1: It's easier for guys to have success without fully knowing
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Speaker 1: or understanding what it takes with pass rushers. That is
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Speaker 1: a craftsman position, a position where you need to have
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Speaker 1: guys that are able to utilize their hands combined the
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Speaker 1: athleticism and explosiveness with some technical skill and savvy. That's
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Speaker 1: hard to find it. When you have a guy like
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Speaker 1: gyanicking got Way who has been able to consistently deliver
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Speaker 1: sack production and turnovers, just makes it very very hard
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Speaker 1: to replaced that, Yeah, really difficult indeed. And then the
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Speaker 1: Jags though have have tried to do that though the
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Speaker 1: Josh Allen pick up in the first round. Of course,
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Speaker 1: Caleb and Chase on this year. A little bit later
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Speaker 1: in the show, we'll get into what those guys and
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Speaker 1: what to expect from those guys. Will hear from Todd
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Speaker 1: Wash as well on the departure of Unique and got Way.
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Speaker 1: You know, let's let's touch a little more on this
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Speaker 1: for net situation here. And he's a free agent. He
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Speaker 1: cleared waivers, so he's out there and open in the
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Speaker 1: open market now. Um, but you know, it was an
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Speaker 1: interesting comparison Joe mixing the Bengals the other day signed
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Speaker 1: a new contract. And it's perception is pretty interesting here
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Speaker 1: between these two. As you see in your screen here
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Speaker 1: the numbers are pretty darn close to each other. But
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Speaker 1: you see at the bottom what has happened for Net
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Speaker 1: has been waived as now a free agent. Joe Mixon
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Speaker 1: just got forty eight million over four years extension and Bucky.
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Speaker 1: It depends on the place, the time and the perception
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Speaker 1: of what you do and how it looks. I mean,
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Speaker 1: how do these two guys compare, Not just by the numbers, No,
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Speaker 1: I mean I think it's an interesting in comparison. When
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Speaker 1: you look at the numbers, the numbers are almost identical.
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Speaker 1: Here's what I would say. When Leonard Frenette comes into
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Speaker 1: the league as the fourth overall pick, the expectations through
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Speaker 1: the roof. You're expected to be a guy that contends
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Speaker 1: for Russian titles. You're expected to be a guy that
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Speaker 1: is in the top two or three of your position
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Speaker 1: right away. Joe Mixon wasn't drafted with those same expectations
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Speaker 1: because he was the second round pick. Now, I will
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Speaker 1: say that his off few issues impacted his ability to
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Speaker 1: be a first round pick, which is why he landed
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Speaker 1: in the second round. But he was able to overcome
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Speaker 1: those issues. By all accounts and talking to people there,
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Speaker 1: great teammate has emerged as a leader. When they put
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Speaker 1: it on his shoulders in the last couple of years,
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Speaker 1: he handled it and handled it well. Because of that,
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Speaker 1: he appears to be trending upward. That's why the Cincinnati
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Speaker 1: Bengals were willing to commit. When you get some of
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Speaker 1: the reports on Leonard Fournett, they're not the same and
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Speaker 1: so look, sometimes that matters. We've talked about the league
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Speaker 1: changing where character really matters football character, and maybe just
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Speaker 1: because of what had happened in Jacksonville with Leonard Fernette,
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Speaker 1: maybe he's not the right kind of guy for this
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Speaker 1: team going forward. Yeah, obviously they felt that way, and
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Speaker 1: certainly John on the football side. That was the reasoning
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Speaker 1: behind it publicly that they announced the other day. When
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Speaker 1: Doug Brone spoke and Terry Robiscue, the running backs coach
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Speaker 1: who we will hear from coming up, he spoke as well,
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Speaker 1: you know, it's just not in the plans. At least
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Speaker 1: they have guys that can do things, not what Leonard
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Speaker 1: couldn't do. It's what the other guys around him could do.
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Speaker 1: That's the way they explained it to us. John, there's
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Speaker 1: a couple of thoughts here. Why didn't they release him
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Speaker 1: before training camp? That's what everybody's asking. Well, until training camp,
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Speaker 1: he hadn't been on the field in Jay Gruden's offense.
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Speaker 1: So it's entirely possible three or four weeks or three
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Speaker 1: weeks that they looked at it and said, you know what,
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Speaker 1: not a fit makes sense. Is he one of the
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Speaker 1: best physical backs in the team. Probably, but look, he
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Speaker 1: would all the off field stuff aside. And I don't
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Speaker 1: know what went on behind the scenes because you don't
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Speaker 1: know everything, but they wouldn't have released him if they
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Speaker 1: thought he was great. They have looked at it over
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Speaker 1: two or three years. They don't think he's an elite back.
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Speaker 1: He's not to make you miss guy. Maybe he can
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Speaker 1: fit in a system, but Joe Mixon sort of make
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Speaker 1: you miss guy. He creates something out of nothing. That's
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Speaker 1: not really what Leonard is. It's what's valued in Jay's offense.
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Speaker 1: At some point that has to come down to it. Now,
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Speaker 1: the timing of it does make you think with a
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Speaker 1: year left on the contract, okay, it was probably more
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Speaker 1: than just football. But if he had been up here
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Speaker 1: in football, no way this happens. Teams don't release players
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Speaker 1: that they think are going to make a huge impact
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Speaker 1: for them. They didn't think he was gonna make a
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Speaker 1: huge impact for him and think he's replaceable. So he's gone.
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Speaker 1: He's no longer a jackson Until Jaguar, and that continues
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Speaker 1: a troubling trend, not just recently for this Jaguars organization,
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Speaker 1: but a lot of the history for the Jacksonville Jaguars
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Speaker 1: of first round pick players not returning for second contracts. Now,
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Speaker 1: in the early years, really through two thousand two, when
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Speaker 1: Tom Coflin was in control of the roster, a lot
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Speaker 1: of those first round picks stuck around for second contracts.
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Speaker 1: It may not have been long second contracts, but they
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Speaker 1: got through their rookie deal and then signed on again.
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Speaker 1: So obviously there was some sustained success. There was a culture.
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Speaker 1: You had some guys that you could build around well
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Speaker 1: starting in oh three and then you see on your
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Speaker 1: screen here the recent history of this UM from to president.
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Speaker 1: The players that have UM had a first round selection
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Speaker 1: and then not come back black Man, Jokal, Bordles, Fowler,
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Speaker 1: Ramsey now four net on that list, You could even
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Speaker 1: go back to twenty eleven on that list, Blamed Gabbert
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Speaker 1: was a draft pick, didn't make it to a second deal.
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Speaker 1: And in fact, Bucky, you know fifteen players from OH
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Speaker 1: three to seventeen, fifteen first round picks in that time,
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Speaker 1: only three of those signed second contracts with the Jags,
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Speaker 1: Mercedes Lewis, Tyson Allo, Allo, and Blake Bortles. So that
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Speaker 1: tells you why there were some different runs of um,
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Speaker 1: not so good football around here. You have to have
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Speaker 1: those first round, second round, third round guys, you absolutely do.
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Speaker 1: And when we think about the draft and team building,
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Speaker 1: the first round pick is everything. Uh, Your first round
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Speaker 1: picks are exposed expected to be top five players, that
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Speaker 1: respected physicians. They're expected to be the core players of
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Speaker 1: your team, to foundational pieces of a championship puzzle. And
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Speaker 1: when you miss, and you missed in successive years, it
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Speaker 1: makes it hard to build a competitive team. Going all
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Speaker 1: the way back. You talked about Justin Blackman and Luke
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Speaker 1: oh Called, Blake Bortles, Dante Fowler, those guys not still
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Speaker 1: being Jaguars. It impacts your ability to compete at a
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Speaker 1: high level, and it forces you to consistently stay in
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Speaker 1: rebuilding mode. That is hard. It's hard to rebuild and
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Speaker 1: be a competitor. They have to do a better job
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Speaker 1: of getting it right in the first round. Yeah, John,
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Speaker 1: it's a tough one obviously, to change and buck that
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Speaker 1: trend um, it's got to start with picking the right guys, obviously,
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Speaker 1: and then making that culture what one that players want
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Speaker 1: to stick around for in the second Well with a
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Speaker 1: laundry list like we just saw, there's never any one reason.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there were reasons that Jalen Ramsey didn't work out,
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Speaker 1: justin Blackman all that, So you know, you can't just
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Speaker 1: say it was X. They've got to do a better
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Speaker 1: job getting players they want to keep. They've got to
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Speaker 1: do a better job keeping the players they want in
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Speaker 1: terms of agaway. Remember they tried to resign him early.
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Speaker 1: They tried to resign him right after his third year,
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Speaker 1: and it just never worked out. It wasn't that the
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Speaker 1: effort wasn't made. Look, you can't win with a list
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Speaker 1: like that. It's why they were great in the nineties.
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Speaker 1: They always hit in the first round, or at least
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Speaker 1: didn't miss. Haven't been really good since then consistently. Here's
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Speaker 1: how you start solving it as soon as the season ends.
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Speaker 1: And Jp, I'm talking about when the gun goes off
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Speaker 1: and they're filing off the field in their last game
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Speaker 1: this season, that's when you go sign d J h
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Speaker 1: Rt a guy like that. You've got to start getting
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Speaker 1: guys this chord you and you've seen me writing a
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Speaker 1: lot JP, Shark, Taylor, Allen. They can't resign Alan Taylor
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Speaker 1: after this season. But you've got to get these guys
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Speaker 1: who are clearly on board right now. You've got to
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Speaker 1: keep them on board. However you do it. I think
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Speaker 1: they will. I think this is the last of this trend.
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Speaker 1: But I've been saying that for a couple of years, Bucky,
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Speaker 1: there's room on the horizon to to get those kind
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Speaker 1: of deals done with these young players. Yeah, because you
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Speaker 1: have to send the message to your locker room that
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Speaker 1: you're really all about the core. This is a great
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Speaker 1: opportunity to reset. Doug Moron, Dave Cole will the front
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Speaker 1: officer and coaches that they get a chance to rebuild
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Speaker 1: the culture in the locker room and they can reward
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Speaker 1: the guys that are they're kind of guys meaning guys
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Speaker 1: that are great workers, great players, great leaders are really
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Speaker 1: about the team. If you're trying to change and turn
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Speaker 1: the culture around, you want to show the locker room
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Speaker 1: that we're going to reward the players that do it
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Speaker 1: the right way on the field and in the locker room.
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Speaker 1: If you start doing that and you begin to draft
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Speaker 1: players that are really solid players, that is the way
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Speaker 1: that you can kind of get back to the way
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Speaker 1: the Jaguars were performing in the nineties. It's not an
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Speaker 1: easy process, but hopefully, as John said, maybe they'll do
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Speaker 1: it in the tunnel walking off the field after Week
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Speaker 1: that's a young group. There's a seventh year player Bucky
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Speaker 1: and Chris Thompson that we've talked about in this program
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Speaker 1: a couple of weeks already that could be key in
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Speaker 1: this offense for Jake Gruden. But then you got some
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Speaker 1: young guns. You got second year players in Quil Armstead
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Speaker 1: who hasn't been on the field a lot this camp.
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Speaker 1: To be honest with you, divine on Zigbo, second year
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Speaker 1: guy out of Nebraska, and a couple of undrafted rookies
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Speaker 1: and James Robinson and Nathan Cottrell. Uh, that's a lot
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Speaker 1: of young not not you know, the only and there's
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Speaker 1: a fullback of course on the roster right now, and
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Speaker 1: Bruce Miller as well. So that's a lot of young
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Speaker 1: guys on the roster running back Bucky, Yeah, a lot
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Speaker 1: of young guys, a lot of unproving guys. But I
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Speaker 1: would say it looks like this will probably come down
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Speaker 1: to Chris Thompson and Requil Armstead. Uh. Typically when you're
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Speaker 1: doing a running back by committee situation, you would like
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Speaker 1: to have one guy that is a scatback that can
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Speaker 1: do the things in the passing game with that's Chris
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Speaker 1: Thompson two hundred and twelve receptions during his career, was
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Speaker 1: a great job in the screen game, can work outside
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Speaker 1: of the structure of the offense as an out wide
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Speaker 1: receiver in the passing game, so he can handle that
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Speaker 1: part of it. McCoy Anderson is a downhill player, a
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Speaker 1: guy that is temple tough. He runs through m tackles,
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Speaker 1: does a great job of getting to the second level
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Speaker 1: in a violent fashion. Didn't get a chance to see
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Speaker 1: him doing much a season ago, but you have to
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Speaker 1: believe that the Jaguars are thinking that he can be
18:35
Speaker 1: the dirty work guy, the guy that does the heavy
18:38
Speaker 1: lifted all early downs and John Rock had his moments
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Speaker 1: last season in his rookie year, he did h He
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Speaker 1: hasn't been on the field very much during training with
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Speaker 1: me to believe early on at least, I don't know
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Speaker 1: that he'll be the guy he I don't think you
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Speaker 1: should count him out of this. James Robinson to play
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Speaker 1: in Northern Illinois. He's a guy who got a lot
19:03
Speaker 1: of theories forty four touchdowns in college. He has looked
19:06
Speaker 1: as good and so hard to judge in training camp
19:08
Speaker 1: because I'm saying he looked good making guys who weren't
19:11
Speaker 1: tackling and miss So what does that mean? But if
19:14
Speaker 1: you hadn't known who the best guy was out there,
19:17
Speaker 1: you might have thought the best guy was James Robinson.
19:19
Speaker 1: So um, I think it's gonna be very much by committee.
19:22
Speaker 1: Somebody's gonna have to earn it and be RB one,
19:25
Speaker 1: as they like to say. I wouldn't leave James Robinson
19:28
Speaker 1: out of it, and and JP And on a very
19:30
Speaker 1: serious note, I was depressed when I heard Terry Whisky
19:34
Speaker 1: talk about guys waiting for their opportunity because it made
19:38
Speaker 1: me realize I'm never gonna get mine. Yeah, so sorry,
19:44
Speaker 1: you're just not realizing that John um uh, Bucky too.
19:49
Speaker 1: John's point about these these really young guys, he undrafted
19:52
Speaker 1: rookies and Robinson and control James Robinson in the pre
19:55
Speaker 1: draft process, he had a big East West Shrine game.
19:58
Speaker 1: He's a small school guy. I what do you know
20:01
Speaker 1: about Robinson coming in? But even before training camp, what
20:05
Speaker 1: was the book on him coming out? Well, I mean
20:07
Speaker 1: the book of him was he certainly was talented enough.
20:10
Speaker 1: He did impress and open some eyes, uh with this
20:13
Speaker 1: All Star game performance, And even though he slid through
20:16
Speaker 1: the draft and was an undrafted free agent, there's an
20:18
Speaker 1: expectation that he would have a chance. Now what's different
20:22
Speaker 1: is this year without preseason games, you thought that opportunity
20:25
Speaker 1: would come because of his exploits on special teams and
20:29
Speaker 1: a flash in a preseason game. He certainly has done
20:32
Speaker 1: enough in practice to give himself an opportunity. He may
20:36
Speaker 1: not be a contributor early, he may be a guy
20:39
Speaker 1: that the envisioned continued to improve and maybe November December
20:43
Speaker 1: you see him crack the rotation as a guy that
20:45
Speaker 1: is able to kind of be a part of their
20:47
Speaker 1: running back by committee. Now, all these guys are the
20:52
Speaker 1: best friend of a quarterback is a strong running game
20:54
Speaker 1: and in this offense maybe running backs out of the
20:57
Speaker 1: backfield and the passing game too. So with without a
21:01
Speaker 1: for net to lean on anymore in the running game,
21:05
Speaker 1: you know this is this is a little more is
21:07
Speaker 1: it a little more pressure on Gardner meansh you to
21:10
Speaker 1: to get the ball out, distribute things and he can't
21:13
Speaker 1: just hand it off to five times a game anymore. Bucky,
21:17
Speaker 1: that's that's out of the window. Now. Yeah, this is
21:19
Speaker 1: the official kicking off of the training wheels. Garden miss
21:24
Speaker 1: You now is going to have to ride the big
21:25
Speaker 1: boy bike and he's gonna have to do it without
21:28
Speaker 1: having all the amenities that he had last year in
21:30
Speaker 1: terms of the running back and the like. But this
21:32
Speaker 1: really could be good for him because now what you're
21:35
Speaker 1: seeing is it's important today's football that the quarterback in
21:38
Speaker 1: the running back, the marriage lines up. When now you
21:41
Speaker 1: have Garden miss You who really excels to being able
21:43
Speaker 1: to get the ball out and so I'm playing the
21:45
Speaker 1: air raided Weston State. He can distribute and kind of
21:48
Speaker 1: plee that that pass first point guard that you like
21:50
Speaker 1: to see. When then you put Chris Thompson behind him,
21:52
Speaker 1: who was the guy that can gets the ball out
21:54
Speaker 1: the backfield, you may see a better, more efficient burden
21:58
Speaker 1: of gardan mits you. And that's saying something because he
22:01
Speaker 1: was pretty solid and pressive as a rookie starter. Yeah, John,
22:05
Speaker 1: we saw in clutch moments he can handle some of
22:08
Speaker 1: the heat and the pressure late game situations. Who's pretty
22:12
Speaker 1: good last season in his rookie year. This is a
22:14
Speaker 1: little different now, is Bucky said? The trading wheels are
22:17
Speaker 1: off here you go, this is your season to be
22:19
Speaker 1: the starter and is your offense now, Yeah, let's make
22:23
Speaker 1: a point here. I'll kick back to the running back
22:26
Speaker 1: and get the gardener in a minute. If you're going
22:28
Speaker 1: to be inexperience somewhere, running back is the position to
22:31
Speaker 1: be an experience. They're pretty experienced wide receiver, tight ends.
22:37
Speaker 1: Offensive line has been together for you know a year
22:40
Speaker 1: now with experience center in Brandon Linder. What you would
22:43
Speaker 1: love in that equation, Obviously, if you had an eight
22:46
Speaker 1: year quarterback, you wouldn't worry at all about the running
22:49
Speaker 1: backs behind it, because an eight year quarterback can carry
22:51
Speaker 1: the running back. You can tell him blitz pick ups
22:53
Speaker 1: or whatever. That's gonna be the biggest thing for the
22:55
Speaker 1: young guys can you pick up the blitz and protect minshoot.
22:58
Speaker 1: He's got to show it's his team. Now the training
23:01
Speaker 1: wheels are off, all that stuff. He's got a chance
23:04
Speaker 1: to show it's his team. I don't know realistically if
23:07
Speaker 1: there's more pressure, because I don't know how you come
23:10
Speaker 1: into a situation with more pressure than Minshew. Realistically, this
23:14
Speaker 1: is his chance to show he's an NFL quarterback. If
23:17
Speaker 1: he leads this franchise a six seven wins, he's the guy.
23:21
Speaker 1: If he doesn't, then realistically he's probably a backup and
23:25
Speaker 1: and it's gonna be hard to get himself out of
23:27
Speaker 1: that reputation. So does it increase the pressure, No, because
23:31
Speaker 1: he's got a world of pressure on him. Fortunately, j P.
23:35
Speaker 1: I think he's the guy who's throws. We'll get back
23:41
Speaker 1: with the John in just a moment. You know. It's
23:45
Speaker 1: it's interesting, it's a kind of hypothetical question now, Bucky,
23:48
Speaker 1: but you know, because we're before the season, but where
23:50
Speaker 1: we can have away from the first game of the year,
23:54
Speaker 1: you know, and the question is, you know, what's it
23:58
Speaker 1: going to take for him to be the franchise guy
24:00
Speaker 1: moving ahead? So is it six seven, eight wins? Whatever
24:04
Speaker 1: that is? If it's not that are there changes in
24:08
Speaker 1: the decision makers and do they go a different route
24:11
Speaker 1: and try to go for the big star in the
24:13
Speaker 1: draft next year. It's all hypothetical now, but it kind
24:16
Speaker 1: of reminds you of a few years back. We went
24:18
Speaker 1: through the first round draft picks a minute ago. Like
24:20
Speaker 1: Mortals was one of those. They re signed him, they
24:24
Speaker 1: doubled down on that. It didn't work out. So another
24:27
Speaker 1: big decision is looming down the line here. There were
24:30
Speaker 1: a little early for that, but it is coming up. Yeah,
24:32
Speaker 1: another decisions looming down the line. And look, we gotta
24:35
Speaker 1: we have to address the elephant in the room. The
24:38
Speaker 1: one quarterback class. UH draft class is outstanding. There's some
24:42
Speaker 1: notable names there. There's some underclassman that people are excited about,
24:45
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields and Trey Lance and so
24:48
Speaker 1: Gardner miss you not only has to compete against what
24:50
Speaker 1: is in front of him on the field, but he
24:53
Speaker 1: has to be more impressive than what any of those
24:56
Speaker 1: guys displayed during their final seasons in college. And so
25:00
Speaker 1: that is tough. And when you also have the scars
25:04
Speaker 1: of not moving off from Blake Bortles and watching Patrick
25:07
Speaker 1: Mahomes going to be a star and win a Super Bowl.
25:10
Speaker 1: Deshaun Watson emerging as a star. It impacts your ability
25:14
Speaker 1: to make decisions. So look, Gardner, miss you, we we
25:18
Speaker 1: talked about these analogies. He's don quyote. He is fighting
25:21
Speaker 1: windmills this year, not only on the field but in
25:24
Speaker 1: the draft because he has to be spectacular to prevent
25:28
Speaker 1: the decision makers from not dipping their toe into the
25:32
Speaker 1: quarterback market. That is, you're you're bringing out, uh the
25:37
Speaker 1: big guns today. I like it. Well, what would you
25:41
Speaker 1: compare this? Uh? I know it's early, we haven't played
25:44
Speaker 1: the last year before next year's draft, but as it
25:47
Speaker 1: stands right now, where would you rank the quarterback class
25:51
Speaker 1: in next year's draft. I know it's early, they haven't
25:53
Speaker 1: played the season yet, but as it sits to it's spectacular.
25:57
Speaker 1: I mean, it's as good as that class that had
26:00
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes and Deshaun Watson. You have three guys at
26:03
Speaker 1: the top of the board that are legitimate, uh, bona
26:06
Speaker 1: fide playmakers. Trevor Lawrence justin fields, trade lance and whatever
26:11
Speaker 1: order you like it, because I know there's been an
26:13
Speaker 1: anointing of Trevor Lawrence, but I'm telling you, there's some
26:16
Speaker 1: people that are not quite certain that he is the
26:19
Speaker 1: universal choice to be number one. And so in a
26:22
Speaker 1: wide open race on the collegiate level, you have three options.
26:26
Speaker 1: Were guys that can come in and be franchise quarterbacks.
26:29
Speaker 1: Garden Minshew has to prove or show that he is
26:33
Speaker 1: better than what could be behind during number one. Next
26:36
Speaker 1: year on draft day, John Osier back with us. Now, Well,
26:41
Speaker 1: it's a lot to take in. You know, you gotta
26:43
Speaker 1: go win games to begin with, and then the performance
26:47
Speaker 1: has to be, according to Bucky, better than what those
26:50
Speaker 1: guys could bring to That's that's a lot to do
26:52
Speaker 1: for Gardner in year two. John, Well, it either has
26:56
Speaker 1: to be that or maybe a playoff the old analogy.
26:59
Speaker 1: You know, I don't have to outrun the bear. I
27:01
Speaker 1: just have to outrun the guy that I'm running from
27:03
Speaker 1: the bear with. You know, um, I think the worry
27:08
Speaker 1: that you have isn't the Gardener Minshew leads him to
27:12
Speaker 1: eight wins or nine wins. The warrior is is a
27:15
Speaker 1: Jaguars fan. You have his he's good enough to lead
27:18
Speaker 1: you to five and does that put you at picking
27:23
Speaker 1: five when the top three guys go off the board,
27:26
Speaker 1: Because if there's three there's three teams that want quarterbacks
27:29
Speaker 1: up there. They're not going to trade you with you
27:31
Speaker 1: no matter what you offer, So you don't want him
27:34
Speaker 1: to be just good enough to take you out of
27:36
Speaker 1: that equation, and you know we're away at it. Maybe
27:40
Speaker 1: he'll be the guy. I hope he is, but that
27:42
Speaker 1: would be the concern is is he just good enough
27:45
Speaker 1: to not let you be in that mix? Yes? I
27:51
Speaker 1: mean he has the blade border situation all over again,
27:56
Speaker 1: and you have to dig down and you have to
27:58
Speaker 1: be able to put your projection glass is on and
28:00
Speaker 1: see what is going to miss you going to be
28:02
Speaker 1: in five years? Will we'll be making a franchise killing
28:06
Speaker 1: mistake by not dipping out in that quarterback class by
28:11
Speaker 1: hanging with Gordon Minshew, a six brown pig. A lot
28:14
Speaker 1: of pressure on him because he's going to have to
28:16
Speaker 1: play exceedingly well for the team builders to say, you
28:20
Speaker 1: know what, we're gonna bypass what we could get at
28:22
Speaker 1: quarterback and continue to build this team around him. Alright,
28:27
Speaker 1: So let's play some football games, hopefully and win some
28:30
Speaker 1: football games before we get to that conversation, and Buckey
28:33
Speaker 1: will have that conversation again. I think when it is
28:36
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28:39
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28:42
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28:45
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28:48
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Speaker 1: Unique and got Way defensive end might have heard of him,
31:34
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31:39
Speaker 1: a second rounder next year, a conditional fifth round pick
31:43
Speaker 1: in two and today for the first time, we heard
31:48
Speaker 1: from defensive coordinator Todd Wash on Unique and got Way
31:53
Speaker 1: and his relationship with The biggest thing is, you know,
31:58
Speaker 1: I think it worked out for bow sides. Obviously, I
32:01
Speaker 1: have a strong feelings for Yahn and uh, you know,
32:05
Speaker 1: having him for three or four years and that kind
32:06
Speaker 1: of stuff. But you know, I wish him nothing but
32:08
Speaker 1: the best, and uh, you know, both the organization and Yahn,
32:12
Speaker 1: we all have to move on. John's very intelligent football player.
32:15
Speaker 1: We were gonna do some things schematically obviously, just to
32:18
Speaker 1: move him around, get him on space, get him in
32:21
Speaker 1: edges Um. There wasn't really a, like you said, a
32:24
Speaker 1: situation where we could really get to that, you know.
32:27
Speaker 1: But at the same time, you know, we've we've kind
32:29
Speaker 1: of built some things, so if we have players that
32:31
Speaker 1: fit that role, we're able to, you know, get him
32:33
Speaker 1: in that role that best fits their skill set. That's
32:38
Speaker 1: Todd washed defensive coordinator today and he's discussing what they
32:42
Speaker 1: could have done within Gockway but just maybe didn't have
32:46
Speaker 1: the time to do last year. And Gockway held out
32:50
Speaker 1: going in miss some of the training camp. So they
32:53
Speaker 1: those are the plans that that Todd was talking about.
32:55
Speaker 1: Their Bucky was trying to do some different things, moving
32:57
Speaker 1: them around, standing them up, maybe a little bit on
33:00
Speaker 1: the defensive side. They just didn't get to that. I
33:02
Speaker 1: want to ask you, though, Bucky, was this a good deal?
33:07
Speaker 1: Is there a winner in this deal? What the Jags
33:10
Speaker 1: getta not in return? Or is this a fair deal?
33:14
Speaker 1: I mean, it's tough to say because that you have
33:16
Speaker 1: to turn the picks and the players. We know what
33:19
Speaker 1: Yannicking Gockway is. He's a Pro Bowl player. He's a
33:22
Speaker 1: guy who has the fourth most force bumbles in the
33:25
Speaker 1: league's sixteen And so the only way you can say
33:28
Speaker 1: that this is a win for the Jaguars is if
33:30
Speaker 1: what they get back in players gives them more than that.
33:34
Speaker 1: But I'll say this, a lot of it depends on
33:37
Speaker 1: and Josh Allen erased what Yannick and Gockway has done.
33:42
Speaker 1: Meaning this, Josh Allen played a high enough level where
33:45
Speaker 1: we're singing his praises as a dominant player, as a
33:48
Speaker 1: top ten player at the position. And then can caleban Chason.
33:52
Speaker 1: Can he come in and give you immediate contributions and
33:55
Speaker 1: impact as Ricky Russian. That remains to be seen, But
33:59
Speaker 1: I think all of the stuff that Todd Wash was
34:01
Speaker 1: reserving for John he can do with Josh Allen. And
34:05
Speaker 1: if Josh Allen plays up to the expectations, the Jaguars
34:10
Speaker 1: defense may not skip a beat without Yannick and Gokua. Yeah, John,
34:14
Speaker 1: it feels that way. You know, they drafted Josh and
34:17
Speaker 1: they were together a year, he and unique, and now
34:20
Speaker 1: John's gone, here's Chason to come in to fill those shoes.
34:24
Speaker 1: That's a pretty natural progression, at least on paper. Yeah,
34:28
Speaker 1: And it's a little bit of a tough spot for
34:29
Speaker 1: the Jags in that fense. Of yes, he wanted to
34:32
Speaker 1: pay Unique, but as we've talked about JP, the reality
34:36
Speaker 1: was it was hard to pay him before because he
34:39
Speaker 1: wasn't the best defensive end on your team when Clay's
34:41
Speaker 1: Campbell was here. Hard to pay him now because he's
34:44
Speaker 1: not the best defensive end on your team with Josh
34:46
Speaker 1: Allen here, So that I'm sure played a little bit
34:49
Speaker 1: of that. Yes, Josh Allen can replace the uniques production.
34:53
Speaker 1: He's gonna be a better run player than Unique could
34:55
Speaker 1: have been. The question is, can Chase sign get to
34:59
Speaker 1: a point or he replaces what the second defensive end,
35:02
Speaker 1: second edge rusher, which was gonna be Unique. Can Chason
35:06
Speaker 1: get to half of that this year? I think he'll
35:10
Speaker 1: get above it at some point. He's supposed to be
35:11
Speaker 1: first round pick. But can he get to replacing six
35:16
Speaker 1: sacks maybe a couple of bumbles. I don't think you're
35:18
Speaker 1: going to replace Unique production what would have vantaged production
35:21
Speaker 1: this year. He's too good. It would be insulting to
35:24
Speaker 1: him to say that you're going to be better without him.
35:28
Speaker 1: Curious to see how he fits in in Minnesota as well.
35:31
Speaker 1: We'll find out firsthand Week thirteen. By the way that
35:34
Speaker 1: the Jags are at the Vikings, and I would bet
35:37
Speaker 1: that Unique will be sounding the galler Horne himself the
35:41
Speaker 1: opening kickoff in Minnesota. UM today Todd wash but he
35:47
Speaker 1: was asked about Caleb and Chasen and where he would
35:51
Speaker 1: be in this defense, and I think the question was
35:54
Speaker 1: about would you standing up, would you play him at
35:56
Speaker 1: lineback or some and and Todd today said no, We're
35:59
Speaker 1: gonna keep him at defensive line, defensive end. And but
36:02
Speaker 1: he's strong enough and big enough that they can play
36:05
Speaker 1: that that the other end, you know, which is I
36:08
Speaker 1: think a little bit of a maybe not a surprise,
36:11
Speaker 1: but seeing it on the practice field, finally they've realized
36:14
Speaker 1: they can do a little more with Chason than just
36:17
Speaker 1: on the rush end side of Thanks Bucky. Yeah, No,
36:20
Speaker 1: he's a talented players. He's very athletic, he's dynamic, he's explosive.
36:25
Speaker 1: UM he has natural wiggle ability due to his basketball
36:28
Speaker 1: background in high school. And I believe what you have
36:31
Speaker 1: is he can matures. You have two guys that are
36:34
Speaker 1: very similar in Josh Allen and Jason. Josh Allen was
36:37
Speaker 1: a more refined rusher coming out of Kentucky, but Chasan
36:41
Speaker 1: has explosive athletic traits and if they can develop those
36:45
Speaker 1: traits on the field, you now have two guys who
36:47
Speaker 1: can be chamellions on the edge and whether you want
36:51
Speaker 1: to stand them off or put them down or do
36:53
Speaker 1: all kinds of things, but you put them on the
36:55
Speaker 1: same side. Did Look it is available there the creativity
36:59
Speaker 1: and whatever tid Wasah wants to do, but it will
37:02
Speaker 1: be governed by what Jason is able to show very
37:05
Speaker 1: early in the year. But yeah, I think there's plenty
37:07
Speaker 1: of room for the Jaguars to get more creative on
37:10
Speaker 1: defense with these young ed Russia stepping into the line up.
37:14
Speaker 1: And John, we've talked about this all offseason. Really, that's
37:17
Speaker 1: been the talking point around JAG's Twitter and the fan
37:22
Speaker 1: base and all that is all they should play some
37:24
Speaker 1: three four and mix some of that stuff in. I mean,
37:26
Speaker 1: Todd wash is not going there you saying it's a
37:29
Speaker 1: four three. Look, they'll have some principles. Would you like
37:31
Speaker 1: to explain this yet again, John, what this is going
37:34
Speaker 1: to be. Well, it's gonna be the hybrid, it's gonna
37:38
Speaker 1: be the same scheme. But it certainly sounds like they're
37:42
Speaker 1: going to have more of an ability to stand the
37:46
Speaker 1: edge guys up in passing situations. And I haven't had
37:49
Speaker 1: to explain this in a while, so my touch points
37:52
Speaker 1: are kind of gone. But that's sort of what it's
37:54
Speaker 1: gonna be. They don't believe they're a true three four
37:58
Speaker 1: scheme because they don't leave they have a true nose,
38:02
Speaker 1: and then the ends who really play that way. But
38:08
Speaker 1: this has been made such a big deal of and
38:11
Speaker 1: it's really not as video as people make it because
38:13
Speaker 1: you're only in that base package for the plays. Anyway,
38:18
Speaker 1: in your past rush past defense schemes, I think you
38:23
Speaker 1: will see them get a chance to play more of
38:27
Speaker 1: their true edge rushers in that scheme. With this, I'd
38:30
Speaker 1: explain it very well. Maybe Bucky the football guy can
38:33
Speaker 1: do better, but that's the spirit of it. Basically, it's
38:37
Speaker 1: a conversation we always have that I don't think means
38:40
Speaker 1: as much in reality as it does on Twitter. John,
38:44
Speaker 1: You're right, it really doesn't. Most teams are in the
38:47
Speaker 1: nickel or SEB packages sevent at a time, So maybe
38:51
Speaker 1: your first down you have to determine are your four
38:53
Speaker 1: three or a three or four team, But it really
38:55
Speaker 1: depends on the other team because the other team is
38:58
Speaker 1: playing eleven person one act once at in three wild receivers,
39:02
Speaker 1: your nickel packages on the field. I think the important
39:05
Speaker 1: thing that you want to think about if you're tied wash,
39:08
Speaker 1: how can I get my best eleving on the field.
39:10
Speaker 1: How can I get my best group of pass rushers
39:12
Speaker 1: on the field at the same time. If n Chasing
39:16
Speaker 1: is more comfortable standing up, the stand up, if Josh
39:18
Speaker 1: Allen is more comfortable standing up, stand up or put
39:21
Speaker 1: your hand down, un enable these guys to be at
39:24
Speaker 1: their best. That's really what it comes down to. How
39:27
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39:29
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39:33
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39:39
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39:41
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39:44
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39:48
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39:52
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39:55
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40:00
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40:03
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40:06
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Speaker 1: our j P, Shadrick, Bucky Brooks and John Osier. I
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Speaker 1: have a question for oh John, please go ahead. Yes,
43:24
Speaker 1: if we had Mike Bucky up back in ninety six
43:27
Speaker 1: when he was one on one with Keenan, what would
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Speaker 1: it have sounded like? It would have sounded um one.
43:33
Speaker 1: That probably would have been a bunch of explitters, and
43:36
Speaker 1: then it would have been me holding off for dear life,
43:39
Speaker 1: and you would have heard Keenan talking about queer holding
43:41
Speaker 1: creek grabbing quick Klutchen And I'm just like Keena. The
43:44
Speaker 1: Nor officials out here, we're just out here playing ball,
43:47
Speaker 1: the Nor officials. You've heard a lot of that, a
43:49
Speaker 1: lot of that conversation. I like it. So you're saying
43:54
Speaker 1: Keenan um talked a bit or complained a bit about
43:59
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44:11
Speaker 1: and he pulled away and I hurt my little pinky. Well,
44:17
Speaker 1: I hope, well, now you learned your lesson. I guess
44:22
Speaker 1: that's what he told me. That's what you get that.
44:26
Speaker 1: It's hilarious. Of course. Keendan now the wide receivers coach
44:30
Speaker 1: from the Jacksonville Jaguars, and you know, you can see
44:33
Speaker 1: his impact. I think with that mindset and the way
44:36
Speaker 1: he came up a late round draft pick and worked
44:40
Speaker 1: his way through the league for a long career here Bucky,
44:43
Speaker 1: I mean, his impact with these young receivers is pretty
44:47
Speaker 1: obvious to see, including the guy we just saw on
44:49
Speaker 1: the screen and d J Chart. I love Keena mccardo
44:53
Speaker 1: not only as a person, but I love him as
44:54
Speaker 1: a teacher. And I think what we've seen consistently down
44:57
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville, the wide receivers get better under his tutor.
45:00
Speaker 1: DJ Trark is a terrific example. He is someone that
45:03
Speaker 1: was drafted and I viewed him as a vertical stretch guy,
45:06
Speaker 1: but he is emerged and evolved to being a legitimate
45:09
Speaker 1: number one receiver. The things that you've been able to
45:12
Speaker 1: see him do, winning the fifty fifty balls, still being
45:15
Speaker 1: able to guy to to take the top off the
45:18
Speaker 1: defense while being that number one. It's fantastic, But it's
45:21
Speaker 1: the other guys. Chris Connelly being able to make plays
45:24
Speaker 1: as a dirty work receiver, Kenan Cole being able to
45:27
Speaker 1: do things as a slot receiver. The work that he
45:30
Speaker 1: is going to do with Laviska channel, we haven't been
45:33
Speaker 1: able to see it, but I know that he is
45:35
Speaker 1: going to make him a terrific catch and run specialists.
45:38
Speaker 1: This wide receiver corps would be much better than advertised,
45:42
Speaker 1: and it could be a reason why Gardner mention plays
45:44
Speaker 1: better than many people that expect john every receiver. We
45:48
Speaker 1: talked to Raves about Keatan's teaching ability. Yeah, and I'll
45:53
Speaker 1: tell you what's intriguing about this wide receiver. Fors and
45:57
Speaker 1: I Bucky Alogy speak to this more than me. How
46:00
Speaker 1: On Johnson has looked as good or better than jal
46:04
Speaker 1: Not that Nald hasn't looked good at times. Colin Johnson's
46:07
Speaker 1: really stood out and I have been surprised, not that
46:11
Speaker 1: he's got the physicality, not that he can win jump balls,
46:13
Speaker 1: he's open a lot. He looks to me like a
46:16
Speaker 1: smoother route runner, especially for his size. Then I certainly
46:20
Speaker 1: expected what was your take on him coming out? But
46:23
Speaker 1: you know, head into his final season at Texas, he
46:26
Speaker 1: was expected to be a big time prospect. For whatever reason,
46:28
Speaker 1: didn't generate the numbers. And then they had a guy
46:31
Speaker 1: Devin during Durna Beg who kind of took over. But
46:34
Speaker 1: I'll say this about Colin Johnson. It's hard to find
46:37
Speaker 1: guys at his six fourth plus that can sink their hips,
46:40
Speaker 1: that can get in and out of else and he
46:43
Speaker 1: can catch the ball in between the numbers, and that
46:46
Speaker 1: is critical because sometimes you see those big guys that
46:49
Speaker 1: want to win, they don't like going inside where's noisy.
46:53
Speaker 1: His ability to do that could make him a guy
46:56
Speaker 1: that could make probably become an ideal number to receive
47:00
Speaker 1: ever to a guy like a DJ Chark. And that's
47:02
Speaker 1: saying something consider where they were able to get him,
47:06
Speaker 1: obviously though with an undrafted player, and he's got to
47:11
Speaker 1: contribute on special teams. Though Bucky to really make the
47:14
Speaker 1: full impact in his rookie season, he absolutely does. He
47:18
Speaker 1: has to find a way and and it's tough sometimes
47:20
Speaker 1: when you're that says, he is going to have to
47:23
Speaker 1: be a guy that shows more toughness than what was
47:26
Speaker 1: required during his college day. So he's gonna have to
47:28
Speaker 1: come down and cover kickoffs. He's gonna have to find
47:31
Speaker 1: a way to be on the punt and punt return team.
47:33
Speaker 1: But if he can exhibit enough toughness to give himself
47:36
Speaker 1: a chance to get a jersey each and every week, Look,
47:40
Speaker 1: there's a war of attrition. If he gets on the
47:42
Speaker 1: field as a true wife receiver, then he can shine it,
47:44
Speaker 1: really show people what he can do. Looking forward to
47:48
Speaker 1: seeing it. It's been fun to watch and training camp
47:50
Speaker 1: and then the scrimmage on Saturday. Really shine in that
47:54
Speaker 1: exhibition at t I A. Bank Field. Uh, let's wrap
47:58
Speaker 1: up today as we look around the National Football League,
48:01
Speaker 1: as we always do, we have a weekly Joe Judge segment.
48:05
Speaker 1: Everybody's been on him, including us on this show, about
48:08
Speaker 1: some of the decisions that have been made there and
48:11
Speaker 1: making players and sometimes coaches run laps at practice. Can
48:15
Speaker 1: you imagine some of the coaches running laps at practice.
48:19
Speaker 1: The idea of letting the quarterback get his pads popped
48:22
Speaker 1: a little, and practice we got on that. I got
48:24
Speaker 1: on him about that last week. Well, this week, everybody
48:27
Speaker 1: loves him, Bucky because apparently the team circle around him
48:31
Speaker 1: after practice of a fumble drill and spraying water in
48:34
Speaker 1: the mud and watched him sliding the mud puddle and
48:37
Speaker 1: and cheered and and they love him all of a
48:39
Speaker 1: sudden in New York. It's funny how quick things can turn. Yeah,
48:43
Speaker 1: things can turn very very quickly. But I will give
48:45
Speaker 1: him credit because the players have been universal in their
48:49
Speaker 1: support of him. It also helped. He has a very
48:52
Speaker 1: young team, but he has tried to ingratiate himself with
48:55
Speaker 1: the players by not only being a stern disciplinary and
48:58
Speaker 1: but also trying to cant with them, cracking jokes being
49:01
Speaker 1: a part of it. This participation in the phone boy
49:04
Speaker 1: drill was another way that he's been able to connect
49:06
Speaker 1: with the team. At some point, go they gonna have
49:09
Speaker 1: to win games. We'll see if he's able to do that. Though. Yeah, John,
49:12
Speaker 1: that's that's where the rubber hits the row to win
49:15
Speaker 1: and lost columns. That's how that works. Well it is.
49:18
Speaker 1: And I don't know Joe Judge, but if if he's
49:22
Speaker 1: being true to himself, then you can get away with
49:27
Speaker 1: the things he does. Meaning if if you can be
49:29
Speaker 1: true to yourself, the discipline, some of the wacky stuff,
49:32
Speaker 1: and yet still reach the players and show them that
49:35
Speaker 1: you're genuine. You know, I always thought that worked for
49:38
Speaker 1: Coughlin to a degree, because Coughlin was who he was
49:42
Speaker 1: when he was here. A lot of players didn't like it,
49:44
Speaker 1: but overall you also knew that when you cut through it,
49:47
Speaker 1: he wasn't being a phony. So it sounds like this
49:50
Speaker 1: is who Joe Judge is, uh, And if if that's
49:54
Speaker 1: the case, then that will work. It usually doesn't work
49:57
Speaker 1: if players sense you're being phony. That's who Tom was
50:01
Speaker 1: when he was here, and then when he was here again,
50:04
Speaker 1: he was still the same guy. We Leonard for now,
50:07
Speaker 1: of course, went unclaimed on waivers. So what do you
50:10
Speaker 1: think are the leading teams to maybe signed Leonard Bucky?
50:15
Speaker 1: You know it's gonna be tough. I think obviously a
50:18
Speaker 1: team that wants to play a downhill, smash mouth style
50:20
Speaker 1: would look to four nett. I would say, keep our
50:23
Speaker 1: eyes on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. And the reason why
50:26
Speaker 1: is because they need to run the football to steal
50:29
Speaker 1: Lighten some of the load on Tom Brady. They haven't
50:32
Speaker 1: had a big time running back. I don't have Shady
50:33
Speaker 1: McCoy and Ronald Jones, but Lenna Fernett is a downhill
50:37
Speaker 1: runner who would fit in certain packages down with the
50:40
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Yeah, and John, there's not a lot
50:44
Speaker 1: of you know, straightforward, downhill I formation offenses in the
50:48
Speaker 1: NFL these days. Yeah, there's not. And you know, you
50:52
Speaker 1: wonder if this dynamic could play out different had there
50:55
Speaker 1: been preseason games, because you haven't had a lot of
50:58
Speaker 1: teams with injured players and your running back. There hasn't
51:00
Speaker 1: been a lot of attrition at the position, so you
51:03
Speaker 1: sort of wonder if maybe this could play out after
51:06
Speaker 1: Week one, he's going to get a chance somewhere, But
51:10
Speaker 1: does he sort of wait for the right opportunity and
51:14
Speaker 1: does that opportunity to come when somebody gets injured around
51:16
Speaker 1: the league? That wouldn't shock me. We'll see if it
51:20
Speaker 1: plays out that way. We moved to the Big Easy
51:24
Speaker 1: and Alvin Kamara is in the news. There was not practicing.
51:28
Speaker 1: There were rumors that he was on the training block
51:31
Speaker 1: by the Saints, and he's due to make over a
51:34
Speaker 1: little over two million dollars this year in the final
51:36
Speaker 1: year of his rookie deal. But he refuted, and he
51:37
Speaker 1: claims with a trade request or a holdout threat. Bucky.
51:41
Speaker 1: The Saints have to figure this one out, right, They
51:43
Speaker 1: can't let him walk away. Oh. Absolutely, he is the
51:47
Speaker 1: best and most valuable offensive player. And I'm saying that
51:49
Speaker 1: knowing that Michael Thompson was the offensive player of the year.
51:53
Speaker 1: But what Alvin Kamara does is he's a mismatch nightmare.
51:56
Speaker 1: He's a guy that can do it in the running game.
51:58
Speaker 1: He can split outside and be a domin a pass chester.
52:01
Speaker 1: They have to figure it out. I do believe they
52:02
Speaker 1: will figure it out. But it's tough because how do
52:05
Speaker 1: you categorize him? Is your running back? Is your playmaker?
52:07
Speaker 1: Christ McCaffrey got sixty million? How close are you willing
52:11
Speaker 1: to go if you to do or than Saints to
52:12
Speaker 1: put al mccamar in that category? Well, John, remember we
52:16
Speaker 1: had a guy that you couldn't really had. You remember
52:20
Speaker 1: Cordell back in the old days was slash right, Well,
52:22
Speaker 1: we had the offensive weapon and Denard Robinson who's now
52:25
Speaker 1: an offensive assistant here, John, that might be appropriate for
52:28
Speaker 1: Kamara right now? Yeah, I don't know if that's the
52:31
Speaker 1: same thing. No offense. I get your point, you know,
52:36
Speaker 1: sixteen million. When I heard that was the demand, my
52:39
Speaker 1: first thought was, Wow, that That'scaffrey money. I don't know
52:43
Speaker 1: if I put Tamara that level, He's super valuable to me.
52:47
Speaker 1: This feels a little bit like the unique situation where
52:50
Speaker 1: the Saints want to sign him, but can they afford
52:54
Speaker 1: can they get him to that level? Boy, it's a tough,
52:58
Speaker 1: especially when you got Brees and you got and you
53:01
Speaker 1: had the receiver. Uh, it smells like this one could
53:05
Speaker 1: go a while. We'll see. We'll see. A couple of
53:08
Speaker 1: starting quarterbacks named today in the league. To Ron Taylor
53:12
Speaker 1: named the starter in l A for the Chargers, first
53:15
Speaker 1: starting opportunity for him since Baker Mayfield took him out
53:18
Speaker 1: in Cleveland, and then Dwayne Haskins name the starter for
53:23
Speaker 1: the Washington football team today. Bucky O, those the right
53:25
Speaker 1: moves for each Yeah, I think there's are the right
53:28
Speaker 1: moves for both. I think Tyrod Taylor was the guy
53:31
Speaker 1: that Anthony wanted. He wants better ball security at the
53:34
Speaker 1: quarterback position. Dwayne Haskins was a guy that was coming on,
53:38
Speaker 1: played really well the last two or three games, and
53:40
Speaker 1: so despite the noise, he responded really well to Ron
53:43
Speaker 1: ri various requests for him to up to any when
53:46
Speaker 1: it came to his work ethic. I think he earned
53:49
Speaker 1: the job, and I think everyone around Washington certainly wanted
53:52
Speaker 1: to see that happen. Yeah, some big names there today,
53:56
Speaker 1: and the Chiefs received their championship rings yesterday. And guys,
54:01
Speaker 1: I'll tell you it just it really feels like this
54:03
Speaker 1: is the start of something long term in Kansas City.
54:06
Speaker 1: Obviously they've signed the quarterback long term. They've already got
54:09
Speaker 1: a ring on their finger. Now, Uh, John, this one
54:12
Speaker 1: could go a while in Kansas City. It feels like, well,
54:16
Speaker 1: because you got the quarterback, all the other stuff they're
54:18
Speaker 1: doing is great, but you've got to what is four
54:22
Speaker 1: and you've locked him up for a long term. You
54:24
Speaker 1: can't imagine, I how never go anywhere else. Brady did.
54:26
Speaker 1: But you know for the bulk of his career he's
54:29
Speaker 1: going to be there. That's the whole key. He looks
54:32
Speaker 1: incredibly special and when you've got that, you lock it
54:35
Speaker 1: up and you've got a chance to win a lot. So,
54:37
Speaker 1: but don't forget I think Bucky may have said this,
54:39
Speaker 1: but I forget yo. Last year in the postseason, they
54:44
Speaker 1: were a late touchdown away from not winning the Super Bowl.
54:48
Speaker 1: The Texans had him on the ropes. Yeah, they've still
54:51
Speaker 1: got to earn it. And this is not going to
54:53
Speaker 1: be a Kansas City walk away this year. Put it
54:56
Speaker 1: that way. That's my prediction. Won't be a walk away.
54:58
Speaker 1: And I'll take the field against the I'll take the
55:00
Speaker 1: other thirty one. Oh wow, look at John thoas are
55:04
Speaker 1: going bold before we get to the prediction. I like
55:07
Speaker 1: it though. I like it because it will be challenging.
55:10
Speaker 1: The one thing that Bows Well for that she's being
55:13
Speaker 1: relevant contenders. They not only signed Pat Mahomes long term,
55:17
Speaker 1: they had a six year extension for Andy Reid. It
55:19
Speaker 1: is important for those two to be linked together. They
55:22
Speaker 1: are a spectacular duo. That is why the cancer Deceased
55:25
Speaker 1: will be a team that we always have to talk
55:27
Speaker 1: about being a contender. And next week we will have
55:33
Speaker 1: are maybe some bold predictions for the NFL season because
55:37
Speaker 1: will be a day away from the first game in
55:40
Speaker 1: the NFL a week from today when we reconvene here.
55:44
Speaker 1: John well Done is always appreciate it, Bucky, Great to
55:46
Speaker 1: see you too. Man always Hey man, thanks so much.
55:49
Speaker 1: Guys love it. We'll love me back next week. Bold
55:53
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55:57
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