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Coach Mike Burns - How A Division I Coach Leads At Home · Quarterback DadCast | Intentional Fatherhood & Leadership at Home

• 0:03
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, I'm Riley.
• 0:04
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm Reiner.
• 0:05
  SPEAKER_02: And this is my dad's show.
• 0:12
  SPEAKER_02: Hey everybody, it's Casey Jacobs with the Quarterback Dadcast.
• 0:15
  SPEAKER_02: Welcome to season seven.
• 0:17
  SPEAKER_02: Can't wait for this season as there's a lot of great guests ahead.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_02: If you're new to this podcast, really it's simple.
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  SPEAKER_02: It's a podcast where we we interview dads, we learn about how they were raised, we learn about the life lessons that were important to them, we learn about the values that are important to them, and really we learn about how we can work hard to become a better quarterback or leader of our home.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_02: So let's sit back, relax, and listen to today's episode of the Quarterback Deckcast.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_02: So hey everybody, it's Casey J.
• 0:42
  SPEAKER_02: Cox with the Quarterback Deadcast.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_02: And uh to say I'm excited for this next guest.
• 0:47
  SPEAKER_02: I know I've said that a lot throughout season seven, but I really, really need this time because I met this gentleman who I thought was William Wallace, I thought it was Rocky Balboa back in 1997 at the mighty Ellensburg, Washington, where I was in the Monte Rico moment where I was playing college football to throw the ball with a mountains guaranteed.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_02: Guests would guarantee and believe that.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_02: He is a 19, uh, I met him in 1998, he's a defensive beast, he's the assistant head coach for your Boise State Broncos in the Mountain West, consistently being in the NCAA tournament.
• 1:17
  SPEAKER_02: Uh like I said, he's a defensive beast, he's a competitor, he is known for his defense, and most people don't know this.
• 1:24
  SPEAKER_02: He's also a concert promoter.
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  SPEAKER_02: Did a little research and uh we're gonna learn about what bands, but more importantly, everybody, we're having Coach Mike Burns on to learn about Mike, the dad, and how he's working hard to become the ultimate quarterback or point guard or center, I'm not sure what we call it, who of his uh uh family.
• 1:40
  SPEAKER_02: So welcome to the quarterback deck guest, Coach Burns.
• 1:43
  SPEAKER_00: It's great to see you again, Mr.
• 1:45
  SPEAKER_00: Casey Jacobs.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_00: It's been quite some time since I saw you spinning it through those those wins in Ellensburg.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: Now you had to throw spirals to deliver the ball there.
• 1:57
  SPEAKER_00: And you did that masterfully, as I recall back in here.
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_02: There's proof, everybody.
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_02: I did play.
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  SPEAKER_02: People like me, everybody.
• 2:06
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: Right.
• 2:08
  SPEAKER_02: Uh if I'd have told you back in '97 or fall 98 that, hey, we're gonna reconnect in 2027 on a podcast, what would we have both said?
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh, you know, I was just starting my journey in this coaching realm, and uh, you know, it like they say, it's in God's hands.
• 2:32
  SPEAKER_00: It's it literally is uh with with this profession and and you know, in a lot of ways, your expectations.
• 2:40
  SPEAKER_00: So uh knowing you when you were that age, you had a very magnetic, charismatic personality.
• 2:48
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you had you had the personality that you would want your quarterback to have.
• 2:51
  SPEAKER_00: So uh it's no surprise to me that you've gone on to do the things that you've done, have the successes that you've had, and and that you're doing something like this because you have a gift for communicating.
• 3:02
  SPEAKER_00: And you had that back then when you were 19, 20, 21, 22 years old when I first met you.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_00: And it's funny, that's the great thing about coaching is you get to coach young men or be around young men at a point in their life when they're just kind of figuring out who they are.
• 3:23
  SPEAKER_00: But you can, as a coach, you have insight into who they're gonna become.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_00: So on the one hand, I'm not surprised about where you've ended up.
• 3:31
  SPEAKER_00: On the other hand, I'm very grateful and thankful that God's blessed me to put me in the position where I've been.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I think I appreciate you saying that's very kind.
• 3:41
  SPEAKER_02: I I I even though I didn't play for you, uh, I still remember our meetings on Fridays before game week.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_02: And everybody, before actually, before I get into that, we always start out each episode of gratitude.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_02: I don't want to I'm gonna take us off the rail.
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  SPEAKER_02: So let's start out this episode with tell me what are you most grateful for as a dad today?
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh I'm most grateful for my family.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and as a father, you know, I think so much of what we do in our existence is learned.
• 4:12
  SPEAKER_00: Behaviors are learned.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, I learned to be a dad from my dad, and I'm grateful for that.
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_00: And then I'm grateful for my wife, uh Mary, and uh, you know, Bodie and Kylie, Kylie, my children.
• 4:25
  SPEAKER_00: I've just been blessed.
• 4:27
  SPEAKER_00: Uh you know, I've got a wonderful family, and and uh I just sometimes I'm just absolutely floored by how awesome they are, and I look to the heavens and go, I sure hope I had a small part in this.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_02: But that's what I'm grateful for first and for that's a great answer, and that's the humility coming out, and like I I'm I mean, I've seen you coach and it's intense, and everybody make it fun, and I can I'm sure that those that same mindset or how you how you show up as a coach, I'm sure you show up as a dad, which is why you've you know produced successful kids, and I'm sure you also married up like I married up.
• 5:05
  SPEAKER_02: Um way out over our skis.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, I married a D1 wife as a D2 quarterback.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_02: I don't I don't know how this happened.
• 5:12
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, well, I was an NAI coach and I married way up the ladder myself.
• 5:18
  SPEAKER_00: So kudos to us.
• 5:21
  SPEAKER_02: I know.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I'll tell you what I'm I'm most grateful for.
• 5:24
  SPEAKER_02: I am day three.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_02: This episode, we're recording in September, everybody it's like so we'll come out in the future.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um I am day three of an empty nester.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: And uh it's surreal.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_02: It is so surreal.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I'm grateful that you know I know me and my wife have done everything we can to hopefully my son's entering his third year.
• 5:43
  SPEAKER_02: My daughter will be a freshman at the old Mighty Ellensburg Wildcats, and so she's up there right now and reported to camp and having a blast and meeting people.
• 5:51
  SPEAKER_02: I'm just grateful for the experiences.
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_02: I just it's hard to believe that I feel like I was just in your office in 1998.
• 5:58
  SPEAKER_02: So I feel like it was yesterday.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's crazy how time flies, and and it's I it I I knew that your daughter was becoming a wildcat, so that is awesome.
• 6:09
  SPEAKER_00: That uh she's gonna have that opportunity, and you'll be back on campus a whole lot more now.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_02: I told her you might see me just walking.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_02: Like I might try to get my MBA and just go to be back on campus so I can maybe take a class with her.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'll live I'll relive like Rodney Dangerfield and back in school and I'll do the do the triple indie.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
• 6:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, okay.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_02: Um well I'm gonna tell a quick story, then when I'm gonna go back to you.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: So like everybody uh imagine so I'm playing for everyone you've never played quarterback, you get a chance to play quarterback.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_02: So I I go through walkthrough on Friday before Saturday, and we're trying to get locked in mentally and just thinking about the the game and thinking about what we're gonna do.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_02: And Coach Burns and our shout out to Jason Frederick and a few others, maybe Mott's involved.
• 6:54
  SPEAKER_02: Uh where's Mott's that guy.
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_02: No question.
• 6:58
  SPEAKER_02: Probably in a snake's cage.
• 6:59
  SPEAKER_02: Um he uh these guys would put on a production.
• 7:03
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking theatrical production of sometimes it was uh Coach Burns on a horse with his face painted.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_02: Uh sometimes he dressed like Rocky, sometimes I mean there's just theatrical performances, just and then he would like splice it in between on a VHS date, in between our highlight films from the week before trying to get fired up.
• 7:22
  SPEAKER_02: So that was like a memory of itself.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_02: But then we'd also he'd want to go over stats for the game.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_02: And so like people that play fantasy football, if you had me drafted with Coach Burns prediction, you would have won your fantasy league every year.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_02: It'd be like, all right, what are we gonna do?
• 7:36
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know, I'm thinking this, this.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, no, you're wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, I'm off.
• 7:40
  SPEAKER_02: I want you to go 27 to 28, 846 in the air, and then we're gonna rush for probably 4:30.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_02: All school records.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_02: Heisman type numbers.
• 7:52
  SPEAKER_02: But you were you were dead seriously.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_02: I'm trying not to laugh, and but it was just such a good memory.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_00: Do you know that I I don't know if I told you this story or not, but one of those, because I because when you guys are on the road, I would fax the stats to the team hotel.
• 8:12
  SPEAKER_00: If I didn't get them to Baldwin or Fedder or Stranley, who was ever responsible for getting them.
• 8:18
  SPEAKER_00: And one year I faxed stats to the team hotel.
• 8:22
  SPEAKER_00: I think you guys were playing Western Oregon uh or Southern Oregon.
• 8:27
  SPEAKER_00: I can't remember.
• 8:28
  SPEAKER_00: They had a great running back, and so I I did the offensive stats, they were you know astronomical as always, but then I took it upon myself to you know put the stats down for their all-American running back, and I had him for like 37 carries and for 48 yards and you know, zero touchdowns.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_00: And those press boxes, you know, in those smaller college stadiums, the staffs are literally in some cases right next to each other.
• 8:56
  SPEAKER_00: Veteran Stanley said that they were banging on the door, you know, when their running back broke off a couple good runs and 48 yards, you gotta be kidding me.
• 9:05
  SPEAKER_00: So sometimes it didn't always work as planned.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_00: It served as a motivational tool in that instance.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_02: Oh man.
• 9:13
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 9:14
  SPEAKER_02: So you got Mary your wife, Bodie and Kyle, your kids.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_02: I always like to learn about how my guests have met their spouse, and then tell us a little bit about each kid.
• 9:23
  SPEAKER_00: Well, it's a great story how me and Mary met.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we were uh both in Las Vegas.
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_00: Um I was at the dice table, and it was uh it was actually Sparr's bachelor party weekend.
• 9:41
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh the dice were none too none too kind to Coach Burns that day.
• 9:46
  SPEAKER_00: So I had to go, I was on my way to the cash machine, get some more cash that I could give back to the casino ultimately.
• 9:54
  SPEAKER_00: And in passing, I'm walking one direction, and my wife and her friend, who is now known as Auntie Stacy, are walking in the opposite direction.
• 10:04
  SPEAKER_00: And we kind of glance at each other, and I don't really think anything of it.
• 10:08
  SPEAKER_00: And her friend Stacy saw that slight exchange, and she says, Hey, aren't you gonna say hello to my friend, or something like that?
• 10:15
  SPEAKER_00: She stops.
• 10:16
  SPEAKER_00: So I peel around and do the Travis Bickle from Taxi Driver, like, you talking to me?
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_00: You must be talking to me.
• 10:22
  SPEAKER_00: I'm the only one standing.
• 10:23
  SPEAKER_00: And that's literally how we met.
• 10:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh, yeah, we you know talked a little bit and spent a little bit of time there.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so while I was a big loser at the dice table, I was the luckiest man alive uh that weekend uh uh overall because that's when we met.
• 10:46
  SPEAKER_00: So we literally just met there, exchanged numbers, started talking.
• 10:50
  SPEAKER_00: It was kind of a you know, long distance thing, and and it uh developed over time, and then she was there.
• 10:59
  SPEAKER_00: I think your junior years when she joined us, was when we got married, and she joined us in Ellensburg.
• 11:05
  SPEAKER_00: So wow.
• 11:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_02: What a story.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: And for everybody listening home, Spar, that's Coach Greg Sparling.
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  SPEAKER_02: He's a previous guest on the old quarterback dad guest.
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  SPEAKER_02: So if you want to look him up and learn about his story, uh it's a great one too.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then tell us about Bodie and Kylie.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_00: Well, uh Mary and I had been married for six, seven, eight years almost, and uh we had been trying to have children for a while, and then poof, bam, we get blessed with twins.
• 11:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh Kylie was first.
• 11:41
  SPEAKER_00: She beat Bodie out by about uh a minute and a half, and so she uh carries declares herself as the older sister and kind of carries herself in that fashion.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, but they're both great kids.
• 11:55
  SPEAKER_00: Uh just um, you know, it just warms my heart to talk about them because I'm so proud of both of them.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_00: But uh great students, they had uh did did a great job academically and and you know, athletically in high school.
• 12:09
  SPEAKER_00: And Kylie now goes to the University of San Diego.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_00: Uh Mary just took her down this past weekend, and Bodie's uh at Boise State University.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_00: So they're both sophomores.
• 12:20
  SPEAKER_00: Um Bodie thinks he may want to uh pursue medicine as a career, so he's majoring in uh uh I and it's I don't even know which form of biology he's majoring in, but he's well beyond his father in terms of his mental life.
• 12:36
  SPEAKER_00: It's amazing, as is my daughter.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_00: So uh Kylie's gonna she started out as a business major in at uh University of San Diego, but I think she's going to go into communications and public relations.
• 12:50
  SPEAKER_00: So she's uh she's a great communicator, and she's actually started a wellness society down there on campus, did this all by herself.
• 12:58
  SPEAKER_00: There's national chapters, but she started a program at her university, and so she's president of the wellness society doing that in what little spare time she has.
• 13:08
  SPEAKER_00: So they're uh yeah, they are definitely I I used to, and I I say I always say this somewhat facetiously, but it's true.
• 13:17
  SPEAKER_00: When I go to church on Sundays, and I've done this their entire life, I've prayed that they look like, act like, think like they're and I've told people that, and now coming to fruition.
• 13:28
  SPEAKER_00: So prayers are being answered.
• 13:30
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, Lord Jesus.
• 13:32
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um, all right, ma'am.
• 13:37
  SPEAKER_02: Well, bring me back to what was life like growing up for you, and uh talk about the impact mom had mom and dad had on you um from a values perspective.
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well, it's everything.
• 13:49
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I was blessed, you know, because you when it's your life and it's as good as I and my sister and brother had it, uh I mean you can kind of take it for granted.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_00: I just thought everybody had a loving father and a loving mother, and I thought, you know, everybody's dad worked really hard, and I thought everybody's mom, you know, was as dutiful and wonderful as my mother was.
• 14:17
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, you could it could be Tuesday uh, you know, when we're in junior high, you know, football practice, and you know, you get towards the middle or end of the week there, and those practice pants start getting a little dinged up and dirty.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_00: Well, not Betty Burns' boys.
• 14:33
  SPEAKER_00: Ours were always starched white and clean on a daily basis.
• 14:36
  SPEAKER_00: So it's just things like that that, you know, uh I I just it was an idyllic childhood, and uh we were able to kind of do what we wanted to do in terms of pursuing whatever dreams and hopes we had, and we had nothing but support at home, and it's you know, uh I I I it's somewhat like you know, I don't think like my brother's gone on to be a very successful businessman.
• 15:07
  SPEAKER_00: My sister's got a wonderful family and and and wonderful husband and and white, you know, kids in in New Jersey, and obviously I'm very blessed.
• 15:16
  SPEAKER_00: But we we were just you know, you go through life, and life is kind of like walking the highwire.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_00: And uh if you have a net under you, it's easy to take some risks and to you know stand on one leg a little too long or do some of those things because you know if you fall, the net's there.
• 15:33
  SPEAKER_00: And that and that basically was my child, you know.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_00: Um, I learned my work ethic from watching my dad, you know, go to work every night at six or seven o'clock and uh you know, drive a truck for 10, 12 hours a night, and then be back the next morning, and in the midst of all of that, still find time to be our little league coach and and a father and and all of that stuff.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_00: So uh yeah, I I was extraordinarily blessed and had great examples, you know.
• 16:04
  SPEAKER_00: And I just I felt a lot of love as a kid, and I do to this day.
• 16:08
  SPEAKER_01: So cool.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_01: So your dad was a truck driver?
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 16:12
  SPEAKER_00: Hall of Famer UPS drove semis.
• 16:15
  unknown: Yeah.
• 16:15
  SPEAKER_00: Does he still have the brown uniform?
• 16:17
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he does somewhere.
• 16:19
  SPEAKER_00: He takes he took great pride in the brown now.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_00: Don't don't ever talk to him about shipping the package through US mail when UPS is an option.
• 16:27
  SPEAKER_00: That'll that'll ignite a flame right there.
• 16:30
  SPEAKER_00: But he is he is uh he is a hall of famer.
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_02: I'm always actually I worked seasonal job in right when I got done uh in college.
• 16:39
  SPEAKER_02: I think I worked a seasonal job for UPS for like for like 13 days.
• 16:43
  SPEAKER_02: Didn't put on the resume or LinkedIn if you guys are looking for it right now.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: But um I was so amazed, like I look at this guy's truck and it was a pardon my French shit show back there.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know what kind of organizational skills they had, but he knew exactly where every package was going.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm I I don't know how, but they they figured it out somehow.
• 17:02
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if technology was just, you know, they freaking scanners and stuff, and but I it just it it was a miracle to me that they packages actually arrived at the house they're supposed to go to.
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: I could probably help answer that one.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, he started out as as a as a he drove the package truck uh when he first started there, and then he uh it was better for him, was a better job, and and I think he made more money driving the semis.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_00: So he would uh we started when we first started driving him.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think he drove from Seattle over the pass and quali and dropped trailers in vantage and then picked up trailers and vantage and turned around and went back.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_00: And then uh that was kind of you know, going over the pass every night, as you could imagine, is a little precarious, especially in the winter.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_00: So he's he uh switched his route to a more safer, you know, Seattle to Portland run, and that's kind of what he ended up with and did it for a long, long time with amazing consistency and uh you know, things like that.
• 18:03
  SPEAKER_00: You see that consistency, you know, he never never took a sick day, you know, uh just was a rock that way.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: And so when you grow up around that, it just kind of becomes a part of you, part of your fabric.
• 18:17
  SPEAKER_00: And so um, you know, I over the years, people, I'm sure people have told you you got a great work ethic.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: People have told me at different times, oh, you know, you're a hard worker, you got a great work ethic.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_00: And I think those things um are built into you, and you and you learn those things by where you come from and and and who your family is and who your parents are.
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: And I know that was definitely the case.
• 18:41
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's funny how you have to reflect to think about that sometimes.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_02: But that's why I always tell people like, hey, you don't need a podcast to have conversations like these.
• 18:48
  SPEAKER_02: You could call your buddy and have the same conversation.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_02: And every time I have one of these conversations, it feels like I go I go through therapy, like, you know, reflecting on things.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_02: And as you said that, it made me think about, you know, when I had to get a job early in my life.
• 19:00
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I remember in call high school, my senior year, I'm working at a no, my yeah, my senior year, I'm working at a um junior year, I'm working at a moving company.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, unloading a semi all day long.
• 19:12
  SPEAKER_02: And the last thing I want to do is go to the weight room.
• 19:14
  SPEAKER_02: And my parents like, well, you remind me let me remind you, you got hurt your senior year, you have no film, and uh, I'm sure there's a lot of people that would love to play quarterback.
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_02: I know what I do.
• 19:25
  SPEAKER_02: So then I go work out for an hour and a half, then I'd go throw, and then it's like 8 30, I'm smoked, get up and do it again.
• 19:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, and you didn't have any other option.
• 19:34
  SPEAKER_00: No.
• 19:35
  SPEAKER_00: You know, no, it's it's so true.
• 19:37
  SPEAKER_00: And it it it's uh again, you know, we talked at the very beginning about you know, 1997 to now, and and could I see this coming?
• 19:48
  SPEAKER_00: And and I I I have you know, like there'll be young coaches sometimes ask me about my path, and mine is so non-traditional that I you know it's like I I when I think about back then and I think where I am today, I was like, you have no business being where you are, but I didn't know anything other than to work and that willingness to work and to grind you know has worked out well, and I'm grateful that that was instilled in me.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_01: Now were your parents athletes?
• 20:24
  SPEAKER_01: Uh no.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: Uh well I my dad fancies himself as a pretty good uh softball, baseball guy, but not you know, they're they weren't uh tremendous athletes, but my dad was a tremendous sports fan.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: And so we grew up in a household uh, you know, and just everything sports was just year-round in our house.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_00: It always was.
• 20:49
  SPEAKER_00: And so um my mom kind of tolerated all that with all of us.
• 20:54
  SPEAKER_00: But we, you know, it was every and TV back then, obviously you didn't have the access.
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, when you're a little kid, you just we just played sports year-round in our house and grew up around it.
• 21:08
  SPEAKER_00: And uh we used to fight over the sports page every morning.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_00: Uh love the sports page.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, I missed the sports page.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that was uh people forget about that, but that was uh a highlight of every morning.
• 21:22
  SPEAKER_00: So yeah, we have to do that.
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_02: I don't know if your kids are are like that with like phones and box scores, but like Ryder, my son, he'll I we my buddies joke, he called they call him like the Adam Schefter of the Maple Valley area.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_02: He I mean he knows more about freaking D3 semi-pro lacrosse school of the blind in Wichita, Kansas, and and how they did in the third quarter.
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_02: Like, I don't know how he knows half this stuff, or I'll ask him about draft stuff.
• 21:46
  SPEAKER_02: Or I was getting fantasy fantasy football advice last night.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_02: Like, hey God, should I keep this guy?
• 21:51
  SPEAKER_02: What do I do?
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_02: I remember looking at the box score of the Calgary, uh, what was the Calgary the triple A ball.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_02: Club of the Mariners back in like the 80s.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_02: I remember like Calgary played and then Tacoma was the A's, Oakland A's team.
• 22:07
  SPEAKER_02: I remember seeing like watching Jose Canseco and just reading through the boss scores and looking at home runs and RBIs, but like my son does that with like now just the app.
• 22:16
  SPEAKER_02: So did had you seen your kids get that same love of like stats and when they were growing up?
• 22:22
  SPEAKER_00: Uh not as much.
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: Not as much as we had it.
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: It's funny because my daughter's very social media savvy, so she's abreast of everything.
• 22:33
  SPEAKER_00: Like she'll know if we if we sign a player at Boise State, she'll know about him and what this or that.
• 22:39
  SPEAKER_00: My son, surprisingly, he's he's a sports fan, but he's not anywhere near as obsessed with it as I was.
• 22:46
  SPEAKER_00: He's a got very eclectic interests, so he'll uh uh I mean he literally did more homework with probably the first three weeks of his ninth grade year in high school than I did in four years.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_00: So he's he's he's investing his brain power in things that are uh probably a lot more useful as he pursues his uh uh you know path to hopefully get himself the uh biology degree in medical.
• 23:16
  SPEAKER_00: But it's weird because I was that kid like your son.
• 23:19
  SPEAKER_00: I was obsessed and I knew, I mean, I it was uh I just was a you know, I could just spit out statistical information and and uh in an almost you know Charlie Babbitt rain man sort of fashion, I had that quality as a as a kid, and I loved it.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it's it's what I ended up, you know.
• 23:43
  SPEAKER_00: I always knew I wanted to be in sports if I could with my professional life, and I've been so blessed to be able to do that.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's amazing, ma'am.
• 23:53
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so dad, truck driver, did you said mom's name is Betty?
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_02: Mm-hmm.
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: Was she stay at home or did she work as well?
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: She stayed at home and worked.
• 24:04
  SPEAKER_00: Uh and I mean she she yeah, she really worked.
• 24:09
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, my mom was just she was the anchor of the household.
• 24:13
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was just everything was in order, everything was, you know, that's one of those things too, as a kid, you kind of take for granted.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_00: Because I thought, well, everybody's got a really clean, wonderful home, and everybody gets a you know, nice home cooked meal about 5 30, 6 p.m.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_00: every night.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_00: And everybody's, you know, doesn't have to worry about their laundry being done.
• 24:35
  SPEAKER_00: Or I mean, I think we might have had to make our bed, and we probably me and my brother probably did a half-assed job at that.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: Mom was in there to to make sure that that got done.
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: But yeah, she she uh did everything around the house, and then she uh she worked at different times during our childhood.
• 24:54
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, um I don't think we had uh an abundance of wealth in the financial sense, but we had an abundance of wealth in just the spirit of love in our house and and all of those other things, just feeling like home, you know.
• 25:13
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it it always felt like home.
• 25:16
  SPEAKER_02: Now are mom and dad still with us?
• 25:18
  SPEAKER_00: No, my mom uh passed away in uh 2024, the spring of 2024, and so uh, you know, Pops is still with us.
• 25:30
  SPEAKER_00: We actually uh moved him up.
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_00: They were living in Arizona when my mother passed, and so uh we moved my dad up to uh uh Boise here with us now.
• 25:42
  SPEAKER_00: So he lives with us.
• 25:44
  SPEAKER_00: So me, Mary, my dad, and the dog right now.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: So poor Mary's got her hands full.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_02: How um well, sorry to hear about your mom.
• 25:54
  SPEAKER_02: I lost my pops December 29, 2021.
• 25:58
  SPEAKER_02: Um and I mean, like you want to talk sports fan.
• 26:01
  SPEAKER_02: My dad was a psycho.
• 26:02
  SPEAKER_02: I mean psycho sports fan.
• 26:04
  SPEAKER_02: Um uh I think I've joked many times, but like I remember him one of my favorite stories about my pops, he showed up to Yakima, my freshman, red shirt freshman year, when I was when I was the number three on this kid in the senior year.
• 26:18
  SPEAKER_02: We're taking a um charter jet out of Yakima.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_02: The plane had no paint on it, it was all white.
• 26:24
  SPEAKER_02: Like, this does not feel good.
• 26:26
  SPEAKER_02: And my dad shows up like Tommy Boy, like in a that fat guy in a little coat, but he looked just like him.
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, Dad, what are you doing here?
• 26:34
  SPEAKER_02: And he's like, I'm going to the game.
• 26:36
  SPEAKER_02: I'm like, Well, I know, but I I'm not gonna play.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: He's like, I don't care.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_02: I want to watch you warm up and I want to watch the team.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:42
  SPEAKER_02: And so it's like those are the memories I have, you know, um my pops.
• 26:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um and how old is your dad?
• 26:49
  SPEAKER_02: He is 85.
• 26:51
  SPEAKER_02: 85, what a run.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, my pops passed away at 79.
• 26:54
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, my mom's still with us.
• 26:56
  SPEAKER_02: I actually played golf yesterday.
• 26:57
  SPEAKER_02: I worked yesterday halfway yesterday and then drove up to Tri-Cities.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_02: And uh my mom lives up in the Pasco Kennewick area, and we uh played golf just son and son and mom and fired an 88 her low round of the year.
• 27:11
  SPEAKER_01: No way.
• 27:12
  SPEAKER_01: 88 that is big time.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 27:15
  SPEAKER_02: Go mom.
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_02: Shout out to Judy.
• 27:17
  SPEAKER_02: Judith's good.
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I uh so I'm uh just an athlete playing golf.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm back up to a four-handicap.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_02: I had it down to like a two or one five for a while.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_02: Are you kidding me?
• 27:31
  SPEAKER_01: I but he's he's a lot better than me.
• 27:34
  SPEAKER_01: I have dad strength.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: I tell him all the time.
• 27:38
  SPEAKER_01: That's that matters.
• 27:40
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, so we got a lot of love in the house.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_02: We learned hard work, we learned um tell me if you can think of a a couple other values, maybe that you had to learn through like a story that comes to mind when and how mom and dad type, whether it's around being honest or how we treat people or leadership.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_00: Uh there's a lot of stories that I can kind of conjure up as a kid.
• 28:05
  SPEAKER_00: There was just consistency, you know, there was right and there was wrong, and it just they didn't deviate from that.
• 28:14
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, part of what I always what's kind of been a part of my coaching philosophy is love and discipline, you know, and that's what I grew up with.
• 28:24
  SPEAKER_00: I grew up with love and discipline.
• 28:26
  SPEAKER_00: And and it wasn't too much of one and not enough of another.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_00: I think they were doled out equally.
• 28:33
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, my dad, like I remember him as a coach.
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: Um, he just was always really fair.
• 28:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, you get youth coaches sometimes that are obsessed with their kid being the star or winning the game or winning the and and you know, my dad worked really hard and did really good work with kids and developing them as players and young people, but he's also really, really fair.
• 29:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, he he he taught us and played by the rules and he coached by the rules.
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh, if a kid was supposed to play three innings, that kid played.
• 29:11
  SPEAKER_00: And he was really always, I you I always got the sense that he was really concerned about kids that weren't as good or weren't as gifted, you know, and he took care of them.
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_00: And so when you see that over and over and over again, it leaves an impact because uh, you know, there's a lot of guys that uh a lot of, like I said, youth coaches that don't have that perspective.
• 29:34
  SPEAKER_00: So just growing up around that, that, you know, uh the love, the discipline, but the fairness and and seeing him show that to us on a regular basis, even if it was at our own peril.
• 29:47
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he, you know, there was no favoritism for me or my brother coming up.
• 29:52
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, it was he almost had to do more uh because you were his son, then you know, it was it wasn't like you were uh given anything.
• 30:02
  SPEAKER_00: So that had a lasting impact, I know, on me and I know on my brother and my sister too, former Mariner's ball girl, Chris Burns.
• 30:11
  SPEAKER_00: Really?
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, that's a that's a me, Jacob.
• 30:15
  SPEAKER_00: No, it's a long it's another story in and of itself, but that's a definite question.
• 30:21
  SPEAKER_00: I'm like, you got the greatest job in the world, you're shagging grounders in the dome.
• 30:25
  SPEAKER_00: Put your head in the game.
• 30:27
  SPEAKER_04: Hi, I'm John Lavinger, Vice President of Learning Solutions at TTA.
• 30:31
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• 30:35
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• 30:42
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• 30:45
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• 30:48
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• 30:50
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• 30:55
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• 30:57
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• 31:00
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• 31:11
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• 31:13
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• 31:21
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• 31:27
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• 31:32
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• 31:36
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• 31:51
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• 31:59
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• 32:04
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• 32:08
  SPEAKER_04: Now, let's get back to the episode.
• 32:10
  SPEAKER_02: Tell me how that skill was acquired by your dad that he passed down to you.
• 32:15
  SPEAKER_00: Uh the fairness, you mean?
• 32:19
  SPEAKER_00: I you know, honestly, I don't I mean, that'd be a great question for him.
• 32:23
  SPEAKER_00: I think it just I mean, that's just how he was constructed.
• 32:28
  SPEAKER_00: You know, my dad's just that guy, and he he was that guy in the neighborhood amongst all the dads that kids gravitated to.
• 32:34
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I can't even tell you that, you know, it's probably in the tens, twenties, thirties, forties number of kids from the old neighborhood that he helped get jobs, whether it was part-time or full-time at UPS and friends that he did that for.
• 32:48
  SPEAKER_00: And he was just that guy.
• 32:50
  SPEAKER_00: And so um that fairness, I think, for him probably stems from his mother, you know, my grandma Jean, who was uh, I mean, she was very she was a great lady and uh great sense of humor, great perspective on life, and just you know, I mean, she grew up in the depression in Chicago, you know, that in times that were really tough.
• 33:16
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh she persevered through those times and and the uh I think some of those things she passed on to my dad, and and I think the fairness is definitely one of them.
• 33:30
  SPEAKER_02: Not like tough like Wi-Fi's slow, like real talk and real toughness.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, like tough like uh her and Ann Olga having to steal coal for their family when they were little kids just so they could eat eat the house.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, things like that.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: When you hear some of the old stories, it was uh yeah, the existence was uh definitely a little more rugged than the ones that we and our children have were so wow, yeah.
• 33:56
  SPEAKER_01: Um talk about how you got into coaching.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_01: Well, uh, you know, I wasn't a great player.
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um I loved basketball, I loved baseball, I loved football, I loved, you know, track.
• 34:13
  SPEAKER_00: I love I mean, I just was a fanatic about sports, and I kind of had an inkling that it was something that I wanted to do.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: Um and uh it I it was that passion, you know.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: I just like I said, I didn't play in college, so uh, and I had a very non-traditional path to getting to that point.
• 34:35
  SPEAKER_00: But when I was in high school, you know, worked my tail off to shoehorn my way into an opportunity working for the Mariners.
• 34:43
  SPEAKER_00: And while I was working for the Mariners, um I kind of to get the job that I had there was really hard.
• 34:53
  SPEAKER_00: I like I had to, you know, four interviews, I had to badger Lou Gorman, the general manager, to even get the four interviews.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_00: I had to do a lot of things on my own that, you know, perhaps I didn't think I could do, but I just I really wanted this opportunity.
• 35:09
  SPEAKER_00: So I I kind of made it happen, you know.
• 35:12
  SPEAKER_00: And uh I mean, little known fact, I went to 62 uh home games in 1977, the Mariners' first season.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: Uh I mean, and I would have it would have been more, but my mom wouldn't let me go on school nights uh during school.
• 35:28
  SPEAKER_00: So once summer came, I mowed along during the day.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_00: I went to the games.
• 35:31
  SPEAKER_00: I loved baseball.
• 35:32
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to be there, but I also wanted to work there.
• 35:34
  SPEAKER_00: I wanted to, I wanted to be bat boy, I wanted to work in the clubhouse, do something.
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_00: And so I figured out I handed, I was waiting for Lou Gorman, the general manager, every day when he came down the elevator to go into the clubhouse.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, just kind of worked my way into that job.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: But all of that taught me at that age that, you know, I could do something that I probably wasn't supposed to be able to do.
• 36:00
  SPEAKER_00: And so um, you know, I had kind of a bumpy path through college academically and finding my way.
• 36:06
  SPEAKER_00: And I knew I wanted to get into coaching if I could, but I didn't know how.
• 36:13
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh I actually after I left college, I didn't have my degree.
• 36:18
  SPEAKER_00: I came home and I had, you know, was loading trucks for a while, uh, was a waiter for a while, and and uh by uh the grace of God, my good uh first grade pal, Jeff Trissler, got me hooked up with uh what was then Media One Incorporated, concert promoters that uh ended up opening Ken Kinnear, who was one of the co-founders of Media One, uh, was the guy that came up with the idea, had the vision for the Gorge Amphitheater when it was just a little, literally a little plywood stage overlooking the Columbia River.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_00: He was over there at the Champe Brian winery and thought, well, this could be really cool.
• 36:57
  SPEAKER_00: And so I got hooked up with that, and so that I kind of spent seven years doing that.
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: And in the back of my mind, I always thought, well, I'd sure love to give coaching a try, but I just never had the opportunity.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: Well, my last in 1984, um I worked Cougar Cage Camp, and it was one of the for six weeks, they used to have these tremendous basketball camps over there.
• 37:22
  SPEAKER_00: So I'm kind of going back and forth in time here.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_00: But when I did that, I met some people that were very influential and turned out to be very influential in my coaching, coaching journey.
• 37:32
  SPEAKER_00: Like John Dunn, a high school teammate of mine, worked that camp with me.
• 37:36
  SPEAKER_00: Tim Kelly, may he rest in peace.
• 37:38
  SPEAKER_00: I just spoke at his memorial service uh last Saturday in Tacoma, as a five-time state champion coach from Curtis High School and Tacoma and Lincoln High School.
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: He was working that camp.
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: So we were all 21, 22 years old, and we were kind of working there together uh for six weeks and made some connections with coaches.
• 37:58
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Tim went on to start his coaching career immediately, as did John.
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I didn't have that opportunity because I hadn't finished my degree, and like I said, I went and started working in the concert.
• 38:09
  SPEAKER_00: Well, fast forward six years, uh, six, seven years later, John gets the head coaching job at Highline College in South Seattle in my old neighborhood, says, and I was still working in the concert field, he's like, Why don't you be why don't you help me be my assistant?
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_00: So I started doing both.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, and I was a part-time junior college assistant, and that's where I started out.
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, again, at that point, there was no reason to think that I would possibly end up where I have in this profession.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: I just got around some really good people and and got very lucky and you know just tried to work really hard.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of how I ended up on the coaching uh train, if you will.
• 38:55
  SPEAKER_02: Well, again, more humility there, Chief, but I I do believe that I love the quote of um luck's when preparation meets opportunity.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um luck happens to people without a doubt.
• 39:06
  SPEAKER_02: But I think we create our own luck by like your dad, doing the right things, being consistent, showing up, being fair, um, all things that probably without whether you realize or not, you apply as a coach.
• 39:17
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah um probably apply as a dad too.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_02: Um you know, coaching uh I think has this um perception that oh it's impossible to do both and be a family guy, but it seems like you're winning that battle.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_02: Um I'd love to hear about some of the challenges of you know coaching at the Division I level, but also protecting father and husband and being the best of those roles you can be too.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I think that's um well first and foremost, so much credit, all the credit goes to Mary because being the wife of a coach is not an easy thing.
• 40:00
  SPEAKER_00: And um she's just been a rock for our family for me.
• 40:05
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, I mean, I literally could probably put her in the gym tomorrow, throw a whistle around her neck, and she could probably do that job as close to as well as I do.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_00: Now, if we reverse the roles and I had to take over everything here in the house, we'd probably be foreclosed in 45 days.
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: The dog would be malnourished and all that.
• 40:28
  SPEAKER_00: But uh I say that jokingly, but there's a lot of truth to it.
• 40:31
  SPEAKER_00: But it starts there, and then um it's just, you know, I had like my dad's work schedule was not idyllic.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he worked graveyard shift, so he would leave, you know, be gone all night, drive his truck all night, he'd get home in the morning, he'd have to sleep during the day.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you know, God forbid we were running around too loud and waking him up because he had to get his rest.
• 40:55
  SPEAKER_00: And then he still found time to be involved with us and our and in in our lives and coaching us and doing all those things.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_00: So um coaching takes up a lot of time, takes a lot of effort.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: If you want to be good at it, you gotta be invested.
• 41:09
  SPEAKER_00: But I think key part of success in coaching is being equally or more invested in your family.
• 41:16
  SPEAKER_00: Uh there's gotta be balance.
• 41:19
  SPEAKER_00: And so um so much of my balance comes from the fact that my family has been involved in all of our stuff, you know, coaching-wise.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: They're they're they're they're at the games, they travel with us sometimes, but um and they're around it.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: But it's I just I've tried and I haven't always been great at it, but I've tried really hard to have that balance.
• 41:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then just, you know, um I hope and I pray that my kids know I love them more than I love anything else, and I hope my wife knows that I love her more than I love anything else, and I tell them that.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_00: But it's there's an investment you have to make.
• 41:56
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm not great.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I'm an ADHD guy, so I get going in one direction and I am gonna go hard in that direction.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_00: Um, so I'm not great always at managing all of my time or or or uh you know be in in tune with all of that.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: But that's where Mary is such a good balance for me because if I'm getting a little out of whack, she can, you know, kind of pull me back towards the center and and keep me focused on on things that are most important.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_00: So um it's just it's like anything, I think.
• 42:30
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I mean you you you gotta have balance, but i if your heart's in the right place, I think you'll end up in the right place.
• 42:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so I've been yeah, hopefully my heart's been in the right place.
• 42:42
  SPEAKER_00: And and uh you know, like I said, I shake my head when I look at my family and I just you know, I look to the heavens and I really am grateful.
• 42:53
  SPEAKER_00: And you know, a lot of times you go to church and I don't know what other people pray for, but I I my prayers are of gratitude.
• 43:00
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just thankful, you know, because I've been I've been blessed.
• 43:04
  SPEAKER_01: And so uh that's a good one.
• 43:07
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there's a guy named David Meltzer who I just interviewed.
• 43:10
  SPEAKER_02: He um his episode will come out before yours, but he's I got introduced to him through a couple couple dudes, and he's uh he has one video on YouTube on gratitude that has like 55 million views.
• 43:24
  SPEAKER_02: And that's what he's he's he's built his business around his gratitude.
• 43:28
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, it's too often we get we as humans we're one A, we're all flawed, but B, we love telling ourselves stories that don't exist.
• 43:35
  SPEAKER_02: Um and then we let that motion derail us for an hour, a day, a week, a month, a year, whatever.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_02: And but sometimes it's just like you just realize we're pretty fritten grateful.
• 43:46
  SPEAKER_02: You know, and I I try to tell my son who's you know, he's a great kid, but he got he put so much pressure on himself on the golf course.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_02: And um he's he's he's gone through I'd say like a little funk for him right now, and which sometimes it's that's a you hate.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: to see your kids go through a funk of golf of we're talking golf like he's he's just having some tournament struggles recently where they're just out of the blue and so I'm trying to you know be supportive dad and he was there be there and I just remind him like dude I want you to shoot 68 I want you to shoot I know I've seen you do it um but what what matters most is that I don't really care what you shoot because the I can two things I can guarantee you the sun's coming up tomorrow unless we get nuke and uh I'm gonna love you more tomorrow than I love you today.
• 44:32
  SPEAKER_02: So um be grateful just that hey your dude if you have a bad day like think about how many kids would love to have a bad day on the golf course.
• 44:38
  SPEAKER_02: No doubt sometimes it's like when he's going through those things he doesn't want to hear that.
• 44:43
  SPEAKER_00: You know it's just but it's like you know I I I believe unequivocally that adversity is the greatest teacher that you will ever have in your existence.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: And you know I I've gone through it with my own kids.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_00: I mean they were not extraordinarily gifted athletes but that was my my thing was just you know be a great teammate be coachable work your tail off do it as hard as you can and then you know at the end of the day if you've done that you can put your head on your pillow and and know that you've done your best but also just embrace the adversity because it's the you know how many guys do me and you both know that were extraordinarily gifted where it became really easy to oh yeah they did not have the adversity and then when the adversity hit they didn't know how to deal with it.
• 45:39
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's the part of sports is the adversity.
• 45:44
  SPEAKER_00: I mean it's it's easy to win and and it's easy you know it's well I shouldn't say it's easy to win but it's when you win you you know and and things come easy to you in that regard oh everything's wonderful.
• 45:56
  SPEAKER_00: But it's it's the people that can can deal with the tough times and have character and the wherewithal persevere through those tough times uh that's what's going to make them great.
• 46:09
  SPEAKER_00: And it doesn't always translate to greatness maybe athletically immediately or or even maybe athletically at all.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_00: But it it it shows up in other areas in their life most important.
• 46:22
  SPEAKER_00: So that's the funnest part coaching for me is when I get to talk to players and former players about where they're at in life where they want to go in life you know I'll ask our players all the time like put basketball in a box and put it over here.
• 46:36
  SPEAKER_00: Now tell me who you are what you want to be what do you want to do and it's so hard when you're a young athlete and as you know like you're like no I want you want to go back to that box.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_00: It's like no over there.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_00: Like that box isn't always going to be there.
• 46:49
  SPEAKER_00: So now we got to figure out who are you what matters to you know what do you want to do when you can't have that so yeah that's uh that's a fun part about it and and your son will be spot on you're I um I I've shared that message with I said hey buddy I I hate to squash your games you're probably not gonna be on the PGA tour and I never expected you but like be like I said the same thing be a great teammate whether you get a plan tournament whether you don't get a plan tournament I mean I want you to be able to play in it but if you don't how you respond you know and I think about like the version I had to get I mean I I got I think I don't know if you know the story but I I lost my senior year in high school which is why I end up playing at Central.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah I knew that and then my daughter her ACL is like when I'm going through I was like oh this sucks but I'm like no I'm actually glad they're going through it because this is how they're gonna get grit and resilience and it's funny like I was texting with Ryder the other day I'm like hey dude proud of you keep your head up proud of your how you're tackling tackling this resilience head on you know God's got a plan he's like I know but I think I think I've learned enough resilience.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_02: When is it time to try something different?
• 47:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know it's like he's got a good sense of humor about it.
• 47:58
  SPEAKER_02: So I think I appreciate it.
• 48:00
  SPEAKER_00: Um did you ever coach your kids yes uh I did uh and you know what's funny uh I would love to say that I was just the most wonderful caring you know kumbaya coach for my son uh and my daughter but it was not always that way um and I think there's just a certain expectation that uh you know I just would encourage them to to compete.
• 48:33
  SPEAKER_00: That was my deal is you got to compete.
• 48:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh and I I have a funny story about that at Chris Acker who's a good friend he's coaching at Long Beach State now.
• 48:44
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he was with we were both assistants at BSU and so uh we his son and my son Bodhi were the same age they played on that same little team with another good friend of ours Mike Hagman who's a former Bronco player here in town so the three of us coached this team and it was amazing how just you know dad-son relationships like if you were to ask Bodie who his favorite coaches were it was oh I love coach Hagman I love coach actor and you asked Malachi who his favorite coach well I love coach Burns I love coach Hagman and maybe Ben Hagman might no he still probably would have said me an actor but it's just the uh you know the competing and the expectations and it was just fun to have those times with them.
• 49:31
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah and uh I just tried to never take seriously and I and one of the things I'm most grateful for is especially with with specifically with Bodie is when you're the son of a coach all right Boise's not the hugest city.
• 49:46
  SPEAKER_00: So uh you know the kids he went to school with and and and you know grew up with they knew what I did.
• 49:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so uh it it wasn't always easy for him you know basketball wise to to be that kid and I just was so proud of how he handled all of that and then even more proud of the fact that he just kind of went to chart his own path like it wasn't like you know well I have to be uh you know a basketball player I'm gonna go play junior college basketball try to play NAI or do whatever or I gotta be a coach right no he's like he had his own interests and I'm so grateful for that because coaching's hard and it is a hard hard life and and I it's I'm not certain that I necessarily wanted it for my son.
• 50:35
  SPEAKER_00: So to see him kind of go no I'm really interested in this and I and I want to do this and you know I'm gonna study this and to see him put the investment in those things that way has been incredible.
• 50:48
  SPEAKER_00: And the same thing for Kylie my daughter is she's just um they're just such a much better version of me at that age that I just am kind of wowed by it.
• 51:01
  SPEAKER_00: And so kudos to mom.
• 51:03
  SPEAKER_02: That's that's every dad's and mom's I think dream and is it's a help your kids find what they want to do.
• 51:09
  SPEAKER_02: Don't do what you want them to do.
• 51:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah and yeah yeah and and then our job just support them whether you know something about it or not like I I met the um CEO of the Robert Trent Jones golf trail and um guy was been around DJ golf his whole life career and is I had him on the show earlier this year and um shout out to Mike Bravely for listening and Mike's son was he w wasn't into golf but he was really into like music and types of music that Mike didn't have any clue about but he's like well if I want to in any relationship with my son I need to go to one of these concerts with him and so he's like this old sorry Mike called you out old kind of old you breathe me buddy.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_02: He's like you know call him north of 55 ish and uh in a freaking mosh pit.
• 51:57
  SPEAKER_02: Like 55 year olds don't belong in a mosh pit.
• 52:00
  SPEAKER_02: But he was like his dad his son's like this is pretty sweet.
• 52:02
  SPEAKER_02: My dad's like you know and I think relationships take effort and investment and trust and you gotta find things in common and be genuine about it.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I think as dads we can do that with our kids with something whatever they're doing.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_02: Like I suck at basketball but I I can rebound.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_02: So that's how me and my daughter formed a relationship.
• 52:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah you know no doubt no and that's the we've had similar circumstances with our kids and and music has been a big part of that relationship that me and Mary have with our kids.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_00: And uh you know we've had great memories you know whether it's watching Cold play in Lumenfield or Dave Matthews at the gorge or whatever.
• 52:42
  SPEAKER_00: I mean to take them to those things and and uh you know be at those places with them and uh yeah I see the guitar in the background you jam a bit uh no that's actually that is Bodie's guitar that uh Mary got him and uh he's not perfected the art yet but he's uh he's gonna continue to to to work towards it uh I wish I could play guitar I took guitar lessons in fourth grade for two weeks and I when I took guitar lessons I thought like when I went to lessons I was it was gonna be me George Harrison you know Eric Clapton and we were going to be in there I was going to be learning rock and roll songs and I was going to be the fifth Beatle or whatever it was.
• 53:30
  SPEAKER_00: And when I got there it was me and six ladies that were probably in their 30s and 40s and we were playing Michael Rowe your boat sure I was like hey I was waiting for the where's the uh you know like my how my guitar gently weeps the guitar solo George Harry I mean so yeah I abandoned it after two weeks unfortunately well I'm a self-taught guitar player and Jocks you are a renaissance man hey and three handicapped playing guitar the goal is just to be able to play like four or five chords and a few songs and then once you realize you can you can play four chords you can literally play I could play like my now my wife helps the playlist and she and I love getting coached.
• 54:18
  SPEAKER_02: She's like yeah that song's gotta be that's not you god I really want to play that song so I keep working hard she's like nah take it off the list but you give me like a um some bug you need that honesty oh yeah you gotta be you gotta be able to get coached just like watching film no question uh but she's got a playlist so she's I mean she's one of my groupies I should probably agree with me on that one uh okay as we get ready to wrap up here if you were to think about three values that you're most proud of that you and Mary have instilled in Bodie and Kylie tell me what comes to mind I think resiliency uh empathy and you know just love I mean they're they're just they're they're good kids and loving kids uh they have an impus heart uh one of the things we used to tell them from the time they were very little is we'd you know always try to remind them put the shoe and the other foot don't just think about yourself think and it kind of goes along being a great teammate and then just that resiliency just it's not things aren't going to be easy they're not always going to go according to plan but just stay in the fight and and love the fight and embrace the fight.
• 55:32
  SPEAKER_00: That's you know that's what makes uh you know when you come out the other end and and and and you get you get the result you want sometimes that's what makes it that much more wonderful that yeah you know I think I I I I would hope Mary would say the same thing.
• 55:53
  SPEAKER_00: I think she would pretty similar but there's no real great ones.
• 55:58
  SPEAKER_00: You know I I've always like I told said earlier I've tried to boil it down in coaching and so in parenting.
• 56:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know just it's love and discipline you know we all need it we all crave it and coach you gotcha it's you know you you can't have too much of one and not enough of the other I think we have to do that as parents and I think we you know as coaches same thing because I the other things that we've always done with our kids is you know um we've tried to give them love and discipline discipline and in you know not always equal measure but in the measure that we thought was needed and and I think I was expressing that earlier you know how uh that's something that um I try to do as a coach as well.
• 56:46
  SPEAKER_00: And uh you know I mean I tell my kids I love them every time I talk to them and I same with my wife and my dad tells me that every time he talks to me and so uh you know that word is bantered back and forth in our family and I and I tell players that I coach that I love them.
• 57:06
  SPEAKER_02: I mean it's really important for me that they know that um because uh if I'm gonna be you know out there in a gym getting after you you know for things that you've got to be good at to be successful in this game you better know that I care about you better know that I love you you better you better trust me and so um all of it's part of that but it's pretty you know when you get right down to it I think that's it in its essence parenting and coaching are very similar endeavors and if you have those traits or if they feel those things I think uh you can help them succeed at a pretty high level that's awesome I'm reading a book right now by a guy named uh Mike uh Mike Crandall no no sorry Doug Crandall and uh it's about he was a West Point guy and I got referred to him by a guy named Coach Bruce Brown who's an absolute legend in our state of he coached he's run done a ton of like just call it leadership books um he spent time with a guy named John Wooden might have heard of him um and uh anyway so he he interviews me and Doug Doug was gonna be he's a guest the whole episode will be coming out in the future too but uh he just wrote a book called Building or Diminishing yeah and talks about like different ways people lead and um you know the builders people they're intense uh but they're positive and they instill belief.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah um and I like you I I tell my kids I love them all the time and I always say I believe in you.
• 58:45
  SPEAKER_02: And uh I don't I don't care if you might not sometimes but I do.
• 58:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_02: And I think that's like I've done a lot of episodes on that coach where it's like I wish like Coach Marty Osborne shout out to him my high school football coach uh he's he sent me a text the day after I talked to this Doug John and it was my uh goal setting uh document when I was 16 years old.
• 59:12
  SPEAKER_02: It blew me away and I literally I did a like a social media post on it on LinkedIn just because I was like I think it was so cool not to be like I want to share my I was 62 and a buck 58 but it was just more like this is where I learned goal setting and this is where visualization and I learned it because this guy named Code and so I know that without them teaching me and them teaching belief in the me because you know mom and dad can say but sometimes person one person outside the home believes in you then it's like oh wait a minute now it's like someone believes in you um and it just like it just I don't know it's just like really really powerful stuff that that's why if we were interviewing if I was doing this interview from my home office I have a big belief sign Ted Lasso behind me um which I just I love that word because it's such an undervalued word that means so much when you really like like pun intended believe in it.
• 1:00:02
  SPEAKER_00: No doubt it's it's and and I think like I always uh say I I got a philosophy personally about coaching too the ATEs you know words that end in ATE and I I feel like it's our responsibility it's not just our job but it's our responsibility responsibility to motivate and elevate because those things you motivate them you're gonna elevate their performance and so often in the midst of all of that kids can feel like you know you're trying to alienate or humiliate.
• 1:00:36
  SPEAKER_00: And uh there's a way to get after players and and be really intense and really passionate but you can do it in a fashion that elevates and motivates you know uh and you don't have to uh I just don't got a lot of work for guys that that want to alienate and humiliate.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_00: I I just think this is you know I know for me um like being a father it's the greatest gift you can have in life I mean it and it has been for since man was created uh since Adam and Eve but uh being a coach I I hold that in in similar regard and so um you know I think it's easy to make them believe if you motivate them and you elevate them.
• 1:01:20
  SPEAKER_00: I mean the the the the belief is is easy is way easier for them it's it's nearly impossible to make them believe if you're gonna alienate or humiliate.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_02: And so yeah it's I was thinking of my eights I was thinking of communicate appreciate oh yeah yeah when you do when you do that I mean you know I I just work those and and those were just the the four the two that came to me but all of those you just get those ATEs and they're they're I think they're powerful for us you know that are in leadership roles and and want to help people you know whether it's our own children or somebody or we're if we're lucky enough to help someone else so as we wrap up here coach this is where um I take you into the lightning round this is where I show you the neg negative hits of taking too many hits at Central Washington University not bong hits but football hits this this is your job to answer these questions hopefully as quickly as you can and my hope is to get a giggle out of you.
• 1:02:20
  SPEAKER_00: Alright okay true or false when you were a concert promoter your first band you promoted was Kenny Rogers that would be false false okay uh true or false you still own the bareback Ellensburg rodeo record for consecutive seconds on a wild bull that would be false as well that would be false I almost giggled I didn't hang tough um if I came to your house for dinner what would me you and your dad have tonight uh well my dad would have boost because he's on a feeding tube so uh that would be your choice boost has some nutrients a lot of protein uh me and you it would depend because if Mary Burns was in the kitchen there's a whole plethora of opportunity if I'm cooking maybe grilled cheese and tomato soup.
• 1:03:14
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds delicious.
• 1:03:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah judge of our free meal um favorite comedy movie of all time is well this will take us back to the Wildcat days uh it's got to be Kingpin for me I mean just an epic and I think uh you know a little story about Kingpin when I left Central to go to Stephen F.
• 1:03:37
  SPEAKER_00: Austin it was you know we had a going away party and I still remember Bo Baldwin Josh Federer and Brian Stranley not making a ton of money back in those days but they all chipped in together and with nearly tears in their eyes they handed me a wrap a gift wrap and you know those three guys so for them to gift wrap something it meant a great deal and it was the VHS of Kingpin.
• 1:04:04
  SPEAKER_00: So uh yeah Kingpin hands down.
• 1:04:07
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm gonna pause the lightning round for a quick story.
• 1:04:09
  SPEAKER_02: So Kingpin that was my go-to movie my senior year we would do frat nights which is people don't listen at home it's the quarterbacks we're the only fraternity on campus self-proclaimed not school sanctioned and we would watch movies and so kingpin was one of them and so do you remember the part where he's some days Mr.
• 1:04:25
  SPEAKER_02: McCracken shows up and he's already in my house when I wake up from a mamma Tennessee cadent by the beach deeper Jonathan I true story I in the huddle during a practice I said boys we're going on Tennessee Kentucky don't we're not doing the cadence and I they're like no dude coach's gonna get pissed I go I don't care it's gonna be worth it I literally went in and did it and Baldwin's like what the flying F are you doing?
• 1:04:55
  SPEAKER_02: Are you serious for once I'm like I am great in culture coach hey he should have Baldwin of all people should have appreciated that he's he is a huge big big guy he did I think he did but I think he had to be the coach and like get me back on track.
• 1:05:09
  SPEAKER_00: But okay could you do you think he could ever get Bill Murray on the podcast as big Ern McCracken I mean how could he oh that would be amazing.
• 1:05:19
  SPEAKER_02: If he's listening I mean he's an open invite um he's above the law I know that he is above the law the the bull the ball with the rose in it yeah unbelievable they don't make movies like that anymore no kids kids are really missing out that is that was uh tangeran tab tits and keep them coming I got a long drive long driving or I not you you okay tell me uh if there was to be a book written about your life tell me the title oh that's really um that's interesting um
• 1:06:00
  SPEAKER_01: Let me think.
• 1:06:01
  SPEAKER_01: A book about my life.
• 1:06:03
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I don't want to get too corny.
• 1:06:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean if I was writing it it'd be thankful.
• 1:06:12
  SPEAKER_01: Uh let's see.
• 1:06:13
  SPEAKER_01: Overachieving goofy ass ball dude.
• 1:06:16
  SPEAKER_00: Um Yeah, that's uh that's a great question.
• 1:06:22
  SPEAKER_00: That's one that causes you to pause and think about it.
• 1:06:25
  SPEAKER_00: That's that's hard for me to answer because I don't there's an element of humility that I always try to that's always in there.
• 1:06:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so I do think it would have to be something like thankful or grateful or or or lucky.
• 1:06:42
  SPEAKER_00: Um because I I mean the things that I've been able to do in this life, I you know, I I tease with my kids a lot that I've lived kind of a forced gumpish life because I've gotten to do a lot of different things that I really if I look back at the 12-year-old version of myself, think, well you did this, this, this, and this.
• 1:07:05
  SPEAKER_00: I wouldn't have guessed that I would have had those opportunities.
• 1:07:09
  SPEAKER_00: So um that's uh I think Grateful would be a good title.
• 1:07:14
  SPEAKER_00: And then people would be like, Why do I want to watch that movie?
• 1:07:17
  SPEAKER_02: You know, old guy on the Well, they're gonna watch the movie coach because Grateful uh is quickly climbing the list of New York Times bestsellers.
• 1:07:26
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's sold out on Amazon, they can't print it fast enough.
• 1:07:29
  SPEAKER_02: Barnes and Noble says, Well shit, we can't get this thing sold either.
• 1:07:32
  SPEAKER_02: So Netflix has heard about this book, Grateful, and now you are the casting director, and I need to know who's gonna star the one and only Mike Burns in this critically acclaimed hit-in a movie that's gonna win an Oscar.
• 1:07:43
  SPEAKER_00: Well, I think as a young Mike Burns, I mean there's a whole bunch of you know young Hollywood types I'd love to see take that role on.
• 1:07:55
  SPEAKER_00: Um stunning, chiseled to come to mind.
• 1:07:58
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 1:07:59
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I think as you you get back to the you know, the older Mike Burns.
• 1:08:04
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I don't know if Uncle Fester's still working.
• 1:08:06
  SPEAKER_00: Uh he's so yeah, let's see.
• 1:08:12
  SPEAKER_00: Well, let's see.
• 1:08:13
  SPEAKER_00: Um John Malkovich.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_00: There you go.
• 1:08:16
  SPEAKER_02: I was gonna say that.
• 1:08:18
  SPEAKER_02: You are a John Malkovich, man.
• 1:08:20
  SPEAKER_02: People look alike.
• 1:08:22
  SPEAKER_00: It could be the young one and the old one.
• 1:08:24
  SPEAKER_00: And he can do the bald thing well.
• 1:08:27
  SPEAKER_02: And he's got a hell of a hook shot, too.
• 1:08:29
  SPEAKER_01: Mm-hmm.
• 1:08:30
  SPEAKER_02: And he's coached parking rec teams, I bet.
• 1:08:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, no doubt.
• 1:08:33
  SPEAKER_02: So he's got the skills.
• 1:08:35
  SPEAKER_02: Okay, and last and most important question, tell me two words that would describe Mary.
• 1:08:40
  SPEAKER_01: Compassionate and loving.
• 1:08:44
  SPEAKER_00: Boom.
• 1:08:45
  SPEAKER_00: Uh, just and that's she's she's channeled that into our children, and for that I am forever grateful.
• 1:08:54
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, that is, yeah.
• 1:08:57
  SPEAKER_02: Lightning rounds complete.
• 1:08:59
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, what an absolute gift it is to see you.
• 1:09:02
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm so grateful that you spent over an hour with me today and us.
• 1:09:06
  SPEAKER_02: And uh, I know there's so many former Wildcats, you've had a huge, huge impact.
• 1:09:10
  SPEAKER_02: And I know there's I'm speaking for probably all the other schools, whether it's Eastern or Book An or Stephen F.
• 1:09:16
  SPEAKER_02: Austin or Pacific or now Boise State, that once they hopefully see this come down, they can just have a chance to learn more about you and your journey and the impact mom and dad had on you, and how you're continually staying humble and hungry and smart and working hard to just be the best leader you can be of your family.
• 1:09:31
  SPEAKER_02: And feels good to be joining your team of an empty nester, which I'm not quite sure I'm a big fan of right now, but I'm gonna get used to it.
• 1:09:39
  SPEAKER_02: And the next phase of I guess parental adversity is going from uh you know caregiver and coddler to more of like you know consultant or a coach, and now it's yeah, we're taking a new new role on.
• 1:09:51
  SPEAKER_02: But grateful for you.
• 1:09:55
  SPEAKER_02: I know, can't wait, man.
• 1:09:56
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be in the burg a lot.
• 1:09:58
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, painting up.
• 1:09:59
  SPEAKER_02: I'll be like rest in peace, um Frazini.
• 1:10:02
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe I'll come re-reenact.
• 1:10:04
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, John Frazini.
• 1:10:06
  SPEAKER_02: Maybe rest in peace.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 1:10:08
  SPEAKER_02: 100%.
• 1:10:09
  SPEAKER_02: What a beauty.
• 1:10:10
  SPEAKER_02: All right, coach.
• 1:10:11
  SPEAKER_02: Thank you for your time.
• 1:10:12
  SPEAKER_02: Appreciate you, and uh, it'd be awesome to see you in person one of these days when our paths cross.
• 1:10:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yes, we will.
• 1:10:17
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you, Casey.
• 1:10:18
  SPEAKER_00: And you're doing great things.
• 1:10:20
  SPEAKER_00: And I I had a chance to listen to a few of these, and and I've gone back and listened to more uh since we've talked about doing this.
• 1:10:29
  SPEAKER_00: And you do great work.
• 1:10:31
  SPEAKER_00: And uh, you know, I know I speak for all your former coaches.
• 1:10:35
  SPEAKER_00: Um, we're all proud of you and keep up the good stuff.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_02: Appreciate it, man.
• 1:10:40
  SPEAKER_02: Means a bunch.
• 1:10:41
  SPEAKER_02: Have a great weekend.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_00: You too.
• 1:10:43
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks, brother.
• 1:10:45
  SPEAKER_02: Well, thank you again, everybody, for listening to this week's episode.
• 1:10:47
  SPEAKER_02: I hope that you enjoyed some of the banter, the stories, the fun from myself and coach Mike Burns, the Rev, which we called him back in the day.
• 1:10:55
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, I hope you want to now follow Boise State Men's Hoop.
• 1:10:59
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, he's a character, but he's also a hell of a coach, someone that had a huge impact in my life, even though even though I never played for him, but I feel like I did.
• 1:11:05
  SPEAKER_02: And I hope that a lot of the lessons and just fatherhood stories he shared will impact the dad out there.
• 1:11:09
  SPEAKER_02: Uh lastly, my my ask of you is if if this impact, if this episode is impactful, please go to Spotify or or YouTube or Apple, wherever you've consumed this episode, and just take time to leave us a review.
• 1:11:19
  SPEAKER_02: Leave us a comment, let us know how we're doing, um, or even better yet, share this episode with a friend.
• 1:11:23
  SPEAKER_02: But hope you enjoyed it, and we look forward to seeing you again next week.
• 1:11:26
  SPEAKER_02: Thanks, everybody.