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Don't Feed the Chipmunks · Plausibly Live - The Dave Bowman Show Podcast

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How you doing? Drop The Hammer?
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We live. Well, good morning, good evening
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or good afternoon, Wherever You Are.
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Whatever you do, a lot of things happening in the world today,
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most of them far beyond our control, you might say.
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So perhaps it's time we took a pause and thought about life and
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thought about the laws of gravity, the de paper, tapes,
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football, politics, and, or the news, don't touch that dial.
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Just try to hear me out for a little while.
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I'm doing something, I don't normally do here, one of my
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cinnamon, Tha graphic might Heroes of Cinema and music for
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the way. Why is Frank Sinatra?
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Who was famous for when he was acting in movies?
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Doing everything in one take? So, even the famous fight in The
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Manchurian Candidate. One take now is it?
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And normally that's how I do things, it's this is a live
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show. It is recorded live.
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That's why the name plausibly live.
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It is designed to sound like a live radio show without a lot of
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interference and those kind of things.
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But this morning, when I sat down to record, this just had
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some unusual circumstances going on and I was a lot of
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distractions. And, you know, when you're in a
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radio Studio, you close the door and you put it on the sign, it
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says on air on air, and I actually have one of those.
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I have an on-air sign, it doesn't work.
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So I've got to get another one to put on out there at any rate,
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a lot of distractions. This morning, people coming in
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people talking to me, banging in the hallway that sort of thing
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and it really distracted me. And I, it's not that the show
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that I recorded this morning is bad at all.
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I mean, You're going to get the same content in this one.
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But somehow or another it just didn't flow in when I was doing
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the editing, I was like this is it's not working.
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In the hesitations and the interruptions, and, you know,
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when somebody interrupt you, where was I, we do what was I
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doing? And so repetitive this and that
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sort of thing and all that's great.
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And if it's just an audio podcast, it's not really that
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big of a deal, but when it's a video cast, he gotta edit all
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that out and it's a pain to do so.
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So here I am in my studio, on a Monday afternoon, it is Monday
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January 30th. And we're doing this this
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morning show again because it's just frustrated with it.
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So, naturally, my voice is a little less thundering now.
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So the day goes on. This is what Happens to me
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because of my issues that are going on with my mouth and my
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throat and everything else. By the end of the day, my voice
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is kind of really weak should never record at night anymore
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either. Because by then my voice sounds
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like Mickey Mouse. but, For the moment here.
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I am. And here we go.
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I don't care about the DU Pape, a tape.
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The Pelosi video, I don't care about it, and I suspect that
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deep down, neither do most people.
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Now, before you send me your emails, David, the Dave Bowman
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show.com, Dave, how can you say you don't care about the de baby
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teeth. Let's define don't care.
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Okay? There are some of my compatriots
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in this business who have put out podcasts and radio shows
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where they spend as much as three hours analyzing every
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frame of the de paper tape. Like it's the Zapruder film or
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something. and what we've discovered in this tape, in this
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video, and this release of this du Pape, evdo the Pelosi video
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is that the initial reports were wrong.
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And I think that maybe that's the big lesson of this whole
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incident is anytime the first the first story comes out it's
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going to be wrong. It's going to be incorrect.
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We were told that they were both in their underwear and nothing
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else that wasn't true. We were told other things now.
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Look, don't get me wrong. I still think the story stinks.
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I still think that there's obvious attempts to spend this
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story into something that it's not But it isn't.
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It isn't the assassination of Kennedy.
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It's not, it's not the UFO films, folks.
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It's not. What we're being trying to be.
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Told that it is. Yes, it's a cover-up.
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There's no two ways about that. But what exactly is being
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covered up. In the big wide wonderful world
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of schema things. Is it even important does it
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even matter? Or is it just people trying to
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grab your attention. For making money, making
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whatever, or just attention whoring, I don't know.
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I watched the video, I watched the video multiple times,
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because apparently, I have way too much free time.
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Nothing in the video that I saw either confirms or dismisses any
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of the narratives involved. If you believe that story a is
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correct then the video confirms that for you if you believe that
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story be is correct then the video confirms that for you and
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you see in that video whatever it is that you want to to see.
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That's the that's the thing about it.
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This is the thing about this kind of evidence.
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You don't see the actual attack. It's not on the video.
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But what you clearly see is a mentally ill, man, and a drunk
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man who are up to something, read into that, whatever you
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want to, and one of them is clearly insane and Goes Bananas.
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you will see in this tape exactly what it is, that you
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want to see, whatever your chosen version of the story is
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this tape will confirm that for you and if you don't believe me,
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you can go find other people who will analyze every frame of this
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tape. To verify that you what you
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believe is correct. Huzzah.
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People see what they want to see.
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In the end result of all. This will be exactly the same.
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You understand that, right? To pay is going to go to prison,
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and the whole incident is going to be white, washed away the
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year from now. It'll be the buzz from jokes,
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and they'll be an occasional reference to it, but for the
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most part, nobody will even remember it.
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The paper will be rotting in prison and Pelosi will still be
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a drunk. Probably closeted, at least
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bisexual. Who wants to keep that quiet?
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Because you know who wouldn't in that particular case?
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Nothing is going to change nothing in this tape.
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Affects the National Security of the United States.
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Do you understand that? I get, we don't like him.
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But Paul Pelosi is not a government official.
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Does he have some influence with a government official?
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Maybe what he has is a lot of money that that government
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official never mind. At the end of the day, nothing
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in this video, nothing in this entire story.
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Nothing in this entire incident which stinks.
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I will grant you. This story is bad, it looks bad.
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It sounds bad. It's absurd and it's a cover-up
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and none of it affects anything about the way you live your
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life. If it hadn't been Paul pillows,
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if it had been I don't know. John Smith just some rich dude
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who likes to drink and is old and has a A wife that works in
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another city somewhere. Nobody would have cared.
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Nobody would have made anything of this whatsoever.
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Nobody would have even brought it up.
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That's how meaningless it would been because, hey, people have
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secrets, and they have things in their closets that they want to
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keep in their closet. Would the paper, a still go to
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prison probably for assault, who knows, but it wouldn't have
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changed anything in your life. It doesn't change anything in my
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life or your life. If Paul Pelosi is a closeted
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bisexual or even gay guy, just happens to be married to Nancy.
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Pelosi had a convenience, nothing in your life changes
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because of that, do you understand that?
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Nothing in her life changed. You don't think her policies and
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her practices in her conduct as a congressman, has anything to
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do with the fact that Paul Pelosi is a drunk and possibly
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gay. You don't really think any of
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that's motivated by that. Do you?
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You have no problem believing we have no problem believing that
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Hillary Clinton Millard. Married bill as a Marriage of
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convenience for political power. Why can't Nancy do that?
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I mean, I'm not defending Nancy Pelosi or maybe I am, I don't
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know. What I do know is, We have
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turned this story which was a joke, they would have been
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better off with this story, just saying from the word go, nothing
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or acknowledging. The fact that Paul had invited
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somebody over whatever. They there are a million
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different ways. They could have handled this
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story than the way they did. The what the way they handled it
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turned it into what it's become which is you know again the
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Zapruder film It's become this. I don't know, giant conspiracy
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of some sort of the object of, which is I'm not clear on what
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the object of the conspiracy is to overthrow the western
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civilization. I'm pretty sure this isn't it at
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any rate, whatever, the, whatever the way they could have
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handled it? Maybe changes things.
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I don't know the lesson for us for me particular is look the
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story stank but I set it the day it happened.
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I said this story stinks. There's there's something weird
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about this story and having watched the tape there.
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Still something weird about this story.
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But the story itself is not that important.
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The story itself is not that critical to story itself is that
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we're jumping all over it as opposed to, you know, actual
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things that matter such as I don't know, classified documents
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being held in Alice's. The National Archives sending
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people letter saying, hey, do you have anything in your house
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or how about this is real attacking Iranian units in Syria
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or in Syria? No Iraq.
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You know, shooting Wars breaking out your crane.
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Oh my God. The Russians announced the other
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day tweeted the other day foreign minister.
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I think it was a tweeted. The other said the other data
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meeting you know, if NATO and Russia go to war All your tanks
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are going to make any difference because this is going to go
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nuclear. But what we're coming apart on
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the right hand side of things is to pay pay and Pelosi.
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I'm not saying the story's legit, not saying that, there
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wasn't thinking us going on there.
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That doesn't fit the official judgment story what I'm saying
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is Nothing in that video, proves it either way.
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But we could waste all our time and all of our days, Bart
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worrying about it, or we could move on to the things that
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actually, I know, matter Maybe. Or at least, if they don't
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matter, at least they make more sense.
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I mean, again, as a conservative liberal, libertarian leaning,
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not party values. Liberty leaning value, who do,
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I? Why do I care who David to pay
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and Paul Pelosi decide to bang with hammers.
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What I do? I care if they were consenting
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adults, I don't care if they weren't consenting adults.
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Then why isn't Paul Pelosi saying that wasn't consenting to
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this? But the end of the day, what
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they do behind the, you know, in their bedrooms, their business,
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not mine. And frankly, I don't really care
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to know the Pelosi's family secrets.
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I don't care to know about any of that stuff.
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So, I'm I'm out of the Paul Pelosi story business can tell
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you that right now because again, until somebody can show
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me that it actually matters It's pretty much meaningless.
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You do whatever you choose to believe about the story.
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It's not going to change anything.
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A long time ago when I was very young boy stood, a place called
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Estes Park, as this park has a very long road through it called
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Trail Ridge. Which was and may remain still
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for all I do a very popular drive through the Rocky
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Mountains to Rocky Mountain National Park in Colorado, ever
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go. There it's certainly worth it.
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It's beautiful sites. One of my favorite pictures of
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myself and my father was taken of us.
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They're standing on the Overlook.
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When I was a kid, you would go to Estes Park and you would take
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a bag of peanuts with you. The purpose of the bag of
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peanuts was to feed the Chipmunks, that would come up to
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you and they would take the peanut and we go away and
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sometimes even the Blue Jays would come down and sorry,
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Western Scrub Jays would come down and take the peanut out of
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your hand. It was pretty pretty cool.
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And I have a lot of childhood memories are going to Estes
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Park. Trail Ridge and doing that.
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We my father really loved the mountains of Colorado and we
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would spend a lot of time up there seeing things and going
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places. Some years later in the mid-90s,
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I had gone to Colorado on a vacation taken.
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My now ex-wife with me and we took her to Trail Ridge because
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I wanted her to see this and we bought a bag of peanuts and a
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bag of Cheetos. And we were headed up to the
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Trail Ridge there too. Take the tour.
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When we got there, it was explained to us by the Rangers
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that you cannot feed the Chipmunks anymore.
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Can't give them peanuts. Can't can't do this anymore and
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the reason was that it creates dependence in the Chipmunks.
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It creates this idea of dependence, the Chipmunks get
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used to being able to eat the peanuts and they don't do the
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natural things that they're supposed to do to eat.
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And so it creates imbalances and it creates problems for the
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national park, with the Chipmunks.
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I guess I didn't make a whole lot of sense to me, but it does
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make sense to me, but at the same time, it's like they're
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Chipmunks for God's sake. It's not like it's not like
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Alvin and Chip and Dale are taking over the world.
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But it does create this dependence and it's the same
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thing, no matter where you go now you go to Yosemite is the
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same thing. Don't feed the wildlife, you
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know, I won't feed. Don't feed the Bears.
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On the internet. You don't feed the trolls,
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because if you feed the trolls, you just get more trolls.
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If you feed the Chipmunks, I guess you just get more
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Chipmunks. Seems like it would be a
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positive for the other Wildlife that eat the Chipmunks, but we
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never really talked about that is kids.
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Why do I bring all this up? Old friend of mine, Steve Frank,
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who is in California, posted an article the other day called the
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homeless industrial complex. And this is a fascinating
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article to me, because I was in the homeless industrial complex.
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That was a part of that. The idea here is that there
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really isn't any solution to the homeless problem.
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At least not at least, not one that's been actively pursued,
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but we keep pouring money into it.
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We keep pouring resources into it into the homeless problem and
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we never seem to solve homelessness.
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All we do is get more homeless, right.
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I mean this has been a lament for a long time.
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When I was very young when I was 10, 11 years old, my father
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became a Salvation Army officer. His first appointment was at the
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harbor light corn Denver which dealt with it was a homeless
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shelter that's what it was. It was a soup kitchen to feed
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homeless people and shelter to shelter as many of them as he
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could. Of course back.
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Then they weren't Called Homeless back, then they were
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called bombs and Winos. By the time I was doing it
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myself in the 1990s, late 80s, 90s, working in diverse places
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such as Atlanta to KOA. And then later in Modesto,
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California. I found myself working in the
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homeless industry, the the homeless industrial complex,
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where we would sit around and talk about ways that we were
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going to help the homeless and never actually do anything
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worthwhile. In 1999.
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I went to a meeting in Modesto, California.
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I was the business administrator for the Salvation Army there in
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Modesto, California. And I went to this meeting big
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meeting, big never probably 4050 people representing different
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agencies and organizations in this meeting.
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And it was the City of Modesto, unveiling to us, their 10-year
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plan for ending homelessness in Modesto.
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As 1999. So 9, 19 May 2003.
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So, 24 years later, the pretty sure that homelessness is just
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as bad, if not worse, and Modesto than it ever was before.
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Because these plans aren't about solving homelessness, there
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about funding agencies that quote unquote, serve the
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homeless, and I can say that with some Authority, because I
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was one of those agencies. It wasn't that we were in it for
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the money but if you don't have money, you can't make things.
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You can't do anything. And so you end up with a
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situation where this 10-year plan to end homelessness and
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other things that we're coming around and as pointed out by
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Steve and this article is that there is big money in
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homelessness and services big money.
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And if you can tie that to single single mothers or some
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sort of underserved group, there's even more money in it,
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but the problem that that money is it.
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All comes with strings. There's all there are always
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strings attached. One of the biggest strings
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attached to Federal money is you have to have a ten percent
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match. So let's say you get a hundred
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thousand dollars to. I don't know, feed soup to the
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homeless people for a year and this will you'll come up with
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all these reasons about how this will help the homeless.
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It It will improve their medical condition because it will be
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eating healthier foods. It'll increase their social
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activity, because you get to meet with them, give them the
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opportunity to interact with the social workers.
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You know, all these reasons you want, they give you a hundred
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thousand dollars to do this for a year, but you got a you've got
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to contribute 10,000 dollars to that, which means you got to go
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out and raise ten thousand dollar.
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If you get a million dollars to operate a shelter, you got to
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come up with a hundred grand. That puts a lot of agencies.
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Particularly the agencies that are in the best position to
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actually provide services kind of out of the running, it's hard
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to come up with that. That ten percent match.
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It can be done and you can be creative with it, but it does
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get difficult. And then they the other strings
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they put on that is you have to increase Services every year.
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So keep in mind here. The object of this stuff is to
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reduce homelessness to end homelessness, but in order to
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continue to get the grants or the the contract you have to
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increase Services every year. Yeah.
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Those are counterproductive goals.
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If we're trying to end homelessness, why do we need to
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increase services and yet, you'll find that in every
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contract that the federal government sends out in many
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City, governments and County governments do the same thing,
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it all comes with strings, which is why you end up with agencies
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that are not really about serving homeless or providing
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Social Services across the board.
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They're really about just getting government grants and
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really about just, you know, paying themselves absurd.
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These to do these things, it all becomes it.
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All serves to perpetuate the issue, not actually solving, the
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more money you pour into something, the more of that you
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get, the more peanuts, you feed the Chipmunks, the more
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Chipmunks you get The more money, you poor and the homeless
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Services, you get more homeless, why number one?
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Because it's just like the Chipmunks, they become dependent
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on it. But number two, they require it
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in the rules, they don't say that, but it actually says, you
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have to increase your services. You end up having to ask
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yourself the question. How do we know that any of this
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has any effect at all on homelessness?
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What the homeless rates continue to go up and what do they, why
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do they say that? That's the case.
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Well those that they always have an excuse for it. but just like
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the homeless in the 70s, when I was a kid at my, my dad's cor
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cor PS, by the way, it never focuses on the real people
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involved. It's always about these
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ethereal, you know, ideas that are up here in the air about.
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Well, we don't have enough housing, we just build more
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housing will have less homeless. Really. if we just do more of
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this, we'll have less of that. We just spend more money on this
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part will have less of that. You know, it's the opposite of
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Taxation, you tax things, 2D incentivize them, you fund them
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to re incentivize them. So by funding more homeless
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programs, you get more homeless, And at the end of the day, what
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do you, what do you accomplish? I did this myself professionally
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in my professional life. I did it for about 20 years,
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just short just shy of 20 years. and I can tell you that in that
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20 years, do you know what the transitional rate from
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homelessness to house was from taking a person who was
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chronically homeless? I'm not talking about the tragic
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homeless, the emergency homeless, somebody's house burns
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down. That's not what I'm talking
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about. I'm talking about the chronic
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dual diagnosed substance abuse, or mental abuse, mental issues,
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that chronic problematic homeless person who's throwing
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bricks through your windows, so that they can get arrested so
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they can get a night in jail, get, you know, free meal.
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Those are the people that, you know, the people that are Out
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there like that that's who I'm talking about.
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Do you know how many people what the rate was?
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We took of those people from completely homeless to
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completely housed functioning even just a year later not
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alone, not not, you know, 35 10 years later.
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Just just one year later, you know, what do you know how many
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we converted in 20 years? One.
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We had plenty that we moved into transitional housing and got
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them on their feet and got them jobs and everything else, but
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inevitably they ended up back because again, we're not dealing
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with the real problem, which was that they were dual diagnosed.
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They were substance dependent and they had mental issues, and
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we were nothing in the programs that were being funded was was
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dealing with that. It's how you end up in Manteca
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with those people that almost folks The Dugout the side of the
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hill, and we're living Underground.
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Twenty years, one guy and that was only a year, I don't know
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where he ended up because I I left I had to leave in part.
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It's not the only reason that I left Social Services most of you
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know, that I had an opportunity and radio.
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And I took it because I was tired, 20 years plus, my
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childhood of all this, you can't solve all the people's problems.
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There's no solution to it because the problem a is Miss
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defined. And be the solution to the
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problem is just throw more money at it.
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Chronically homeless people don't want that kind of help,
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they don't like the rules. They don't like the fact that
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they have to give up their freedoms, they don't like and
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I'm not telling you something that I think I'm telling you
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something that they've told me to my face, I can give you the
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names of the people who told me if you want them.
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I used to run the shelter in Modesto, California.
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The eye. The object here was, how much
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money can we get? And it when it became clear to
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me that we were just going to try to get millions of dollars
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to to do this. Instead of just the tens of
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thousands that I was working with.
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Thought you know what? 20 years from now.
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I'm going to be doing the same thing.
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The faces will change the names will change.
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It will be the same people doing the same things for the same
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reason was the same results, but by God, I'll have a higher
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salary and and my agency will have more money or somebody's
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else's agencies or whatever. But you know what, we'll still
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have a bunch of chipmunks that were feeding peanuts to because
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that's what we were doing. I don't know.
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Ultimately what the solution to homelessness is I don't know
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that there is a solution. That's what I should probably
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say. I don't think there is a
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solution to it. Nor am I saying that we
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shouldn't be compassionate. That's not what I'm saying at
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all. What I'm saying is that much as
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Steve's article refers to it as the homeless industrial complex.
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What I am saying is the more money you put into this, the
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more money you spend on homeless services, The more bags of
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peanuts you're feeding to Chipmunks who are just going to
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explode because that's what happens.
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And nobody seems to understand that that's not the real issue.
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But until we're willing to dress, the real issue, which is
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neither a 10-year plan, nor more money, homelessness will
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continue to be a major problem and it's not because we don't
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have enough housing. That's not the cause of
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homelessness. Not chronic homelessness by any
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stretch of the imagination. but, You can rest assured that the
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people who are making a lot of money doing this in the homeless
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industrial complex. I'm going to tell you exactly
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the opposite. They just had a few more million
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dollars. You can solve all this problem,
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all go away. When they tell you that write it
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down recorded because I guarantee you that just like the
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1999 10-year plan to end homelessness.
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It won't happen. The homeless.
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Someone once said, I will always be with you take the time right
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now. Tell the people of mounting your
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life. You love them very much.
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Miss them. If they weren't there, don't
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pass up those opportunities. You don't want to have that
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regret plausibly live. I'm Dave Bowman, this is my
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show, so I'm not sure what we're doing tomorrow bill, as you
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know, by now, it's been officially announced Bill's
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mother passed away on Friday, so he is off for this week, so we
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will not be live on wmm be tomorrow, but we'll do
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something. I'll keep you up to date.
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Date check back and make sure you check in with me.
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Have a great night everybody. We will see you next time.