Latest / Financial Survival Network / Deep Dive into Economic Uncertainty and Investment Strategies -- Eddy Gifford #5988
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- 0:00And so we could see the spation of wealth through look consumer spending. But
- 0:05you know, all that's going to do is wide and wealth gap because the
- 0:07people that are invested are going to be basically capitalizing the fact that all these
- 0:11people are spending all this money. And then the other side of the coin
- 0:14is everyone's so bodied in the passive right now that and everyone has very very
- 0:19concentrating portfolios. Because of it, things roll over and go down. We're
- 0:23going to see a lot of people really really get burned. You were listening
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- 0:53welcome. You are listening to watching the Financial Survival Network. I'm your host,
- 0:58Carrie. Looks well, we're mid way through the month. We just
- 1:00got the producer price numbers and everything is looking great. So I guess,
- 1:08I guess all your worries about the economy, credit, bankruptcies, defaults,
- 1:14it's all been solved. Well, here to discuss is our good friend Eddie
- 1:19Gifford. Eddie, welcome back, So we should all breathe a sigh of
- 1:23relief. Huh, well, it's certainly seen that way. You know that
- 1:26it's all in how they present the data. Of course, when you look
- 1:30at PPI, it was a fell point one percent and it was only one
- 1:34percent up over a twelve one period, so you know that's obviously below the
- 1:38two percent target. But then when you look at CPI the day before,
- 1:42it came in harder than expecting. So from a wholesale standpoint, it appears
- 1:48that things are kind of under control, but from an actual consumer demand standpoint,
- 1:53not so much. And I think the issue right now is you have
- 1:57so much consumer demand and it's all on credit, but we're not really punishing
- 2:01credit yet. So unfortunately, I think we're going to hit that wall.
- 2:06And I don't know if it's this year, if I or it's after the
- 2:08Lord of the New Guy is it gets in, but this is this is
- 2:13heading towards something that could be really bad. We absolutely need the soft landing
- 2:17because if we don't, you know, it's it's not going to be good
- 2:22for anybody. Not all right, so soft landing, are you sure well
- 2:29we need it? I'm not saying we get it. I think that,
- 2:31you know, I'll I just don't know like what reaction we're going to get
- 2:36because we're in this scenario now where we could be in a commodity supercycle where
- 2:40inflation starts to run away again, which would mean the higher for longer and
- 2:44maybe more more increases in rates. And in a situation like that, we
- 2:50see the stock market and bond market probably implode. And then the other scenario
- 2:55is, well, what if things are or kind of heading good, but
- 3:01then something breaks under the surface causing the Fed to really have to loosen the
- 3:07money supply and do a wrapid amount of great cuts, in which scenario we
- 3:14see bonds rally and we see the stock market and move down pretty fast.
- 3:19So you know, we have like these two outliers, which I say,
- 3:22are you know, probably like more favorable. I just don't know which one
- 3:24is more favor right now. And then you have this like Goldilocks soft landing.
- 3:30It's like, oh no, it's right, We're going to get it
- 3:32perfect. And it just doesn't seem in that way, and you know my
- 3:37beard that way in real life either does it. I've never I've never seen
- 3:42it happen personally. You know, I've been told that it's going to happen
- 3:45thousands of times, but I've never seen anything actually like go the exactly the
- 3:50way that you wanted to go. I mean, we we've watched playoff football
- 3:53this week, and everyone thought that games were going to go one way,
- 3:55and you know, guess what they didn't? Right that That's that's kind of
- 3:59what happens in real life. And I think that that's the thing that when
- 4:02you're so hopeful of something being perfect and ending up exactly the way that it
- 4:05needs to be, it makes the reaction that much worse when it's not.
- 4:10And you know, my biggest fear is the is that we end up in
- 4:15a scenario where the FED actually has to start raising again, because that'll catch
- 4:20everybody off guard and that will just get real bad, real fast. All
- 4:26Right. So, anyways, you know the experts that have called the twelve
- 4:32out of the last three recessions, right, well, you know that's kind
- 4:36of how it works. The one thing we have on our side is the
- 4:42fact that the inversion and then the you and then when the yield curve becomes
- 4:47uninburided right and goes back to normal, that's typically the sign, and that's
- 4:51starting to happen right now. And the issue just just comes down to the
- 4:58fact that there's so many things that happened over the last three years. There's
- 5:02so much money that came into the system. There's so many people out there
- 5:06that still aren't working and are just kind of doing whatever. And then the
- 5:11other people are keeping unemployment rate down because they have three jobs. And so
- 5:15when the three when the three jobs go to one right, and that limit
- 5:20and credit card limit is hit for everybody, and student loan payments or the
- 5:27missing those student loan payments actually start counting against you, which is later this
- 5:30year. Those are the things that add up to kind of a credit crunch,
- 5:38and it's at a whole different scale than it was during the crisis.
- 5:43You know, the great financial cursives were primarily real estate driven. Well,
- 5:46now it's consumer demand driven, which we had all this pent up demand from
- 5:51COVID. And that's not only like for consumers, that's also for businesses.
- 5:56That where people had to go out there and start businesses because they need to
- 5:59make money because they weren't allowed to work and they borrowed a ton of money
- 6:02to do that, and so like all this stuff is snowballing, snowballing,
- 6:05snowballing. So yeah, all these all these experts I've called for the recession
- 6:11last year, but now they're saying, oh no, there's not going to
- 6:13be a recession. And I would argue the alternative. I would say that
- 6:17this is exactly why the recession is going to happen, and this is exactly
- 6:21why it's going to be deeper than anyone anticipates. All right, so there's
- 6:26no avoiding this recession. How bad is it going to be? Well,
- 6:29that just depends on the factors. If we end up in a higher industry
- 6:32environment for longer, I think it's going to be it's going to take a
- 6:36lot longer, Right, It'll be kind of more of a slow grind down
- 6:40like twenty twenty two was, except for that might last for like three years.
- 6:44On the flip side, if something just breaks, I think it'll be
- 6:47pretty rapid, where we might have a six to nine month just like collapse
- 6:53in the stock market, and then at least it would kind of flush things
- 6:57out and we could kind of get things going again. So I would prefer
- 7:00things to just get flushed out so we can kind of get out a fresh
- 7:02start, so to speak. But it doesn't seem like that's happening, because
- 7:08at the end of the day, everybody around the world is beginning to trust
- 7:11the United States less and less and less, and because of that, I
- 7:14think that demand for higher interest rates on the United States debt is going to
- 7:20occur. And so if more and more people are demanding higher higher interest rates,
- 7:25that means the interest rates are staying higher. That's going to hurt the
- 7:28American consumer, and that's going to make this a slow grind written down,
- 7:31I hope I'm wrong. I would prefer the other side, where we just
- 7:34rip the band aid off, but I don't know if that's how it's going
- 7:36to work this time. All right, Well, it's worked that way in
- 7:40the past. Does this mean the end of the dollars primacy hegemony in the
- 7:46world because nobody else's currency is doing too great either. That's absolutely true.
- 7:50I think the dollar is still the main game. I don't see it like
- 7:54going away in the next three years. But I think that there's more and
- 7:58more people and more and more countries that are open to the dollar not being
- 8:01number one anymore, and so that's that's an issue. And know, any
- 8:07time that you get kind of a challenge or you get uncertainty, that's what
- 8:09can lead to a domino effect. So you know, maybe things change if
- 8:16we get some different leadership in this country. But right now, it just
- 8:20seems like we're going down this path and the path doesn't look good, and
- 8:24it makes it hard, you know, especially for me as a sort of
- 8:26my financial planner. And I'm you know, my job is to be optimistic,
- 8:31right Like I mean, I'm supposed to believe the asset prices are going
- 8:33to be hired ten, fifteen, twenty years from now, because that the
- 8:37end of the day, Like that's why I have a job. We're going
- 8:39to grow your wealth, and we're having to look at like a lot more
- 8:43more active or and then even tactical investment strategies. We're having to look at
- 8:48more alternatives, you know, leading more into like things like gold and finding
- 8:52alternatives to bonds potentially since that flight the safety didn't work in twenty twenty two,
- 8:58and so we're just having to find a lot more ways to make money
- 9:05if we end up in like another lost decade type scenario. But we don't
- 9:09have the traditional risk on risk on relationships, so it makes a tough but
- 9:13you just stay nimble, you be disciplined, and you continue to attack,
- 9:18you know, from a standpoint of take chances, cut your losses, and
- 9:22take profits on the way up, so that if we aren't a trade down
- 9:26markin market, at least we end up ahead. Then what the passive flows
- 9:31will do. Right, So you got to be very very careful then,
- 9:37is what you're saying, because you don't know this thing is going to turn
- 9:39out. Yeah, very very careful. I mean, you know, you
- 9:43could make the argument that if you're twenty years old, like you can afford
- 9:46to just continue to do cost average in but if you're fifty years old and
- 9:50you're thinking of retiring in the next fifteen years, well you can't have as
- 9:54a lost decade where you lose half your money twice like people did from two
- 9:58thousand and twenty ten, and then you have to work an extra ten years
- 10:01that you weren't anticipating. So you start getting a little bit closer and you
- 10:05really need to be careful because you just can't afford to make a mistake.
- 10:09And you know, on the other side, the twenty something you don't have
- 10:13to make a mistake. I mean, you know you can. You know,
- 10:16Unfortunately, as it's been my experience that a lot of the twenties and
- 10:20thirties, including myself when I was that age, we like to learn things
- 10:24the hard way. But you don't have to. There are people out there
- 10:26that can help, and you know, we believe that we are one of
- 10:30those people. All right, So this is a real conundrum or this I
- 10:35guess it's really entail into the Baby boomers and Gen X coming up right.
- 10:41Yeah, I mean, we have this huge transfer of wealth that's right around
- 10:45the corner with the boomers and the next generation, and a lot of a
- 10:50lot of the next generation just isn't as good with their money, and there's
- 10:56a little bit more of a like a now I want it now type attitude,
- 11:03And so we can see dissipation of wealth through consumer we're spending. But
- 11:07you know, all that's going to do is whidden wealth gap because the people
- 11:11that are invested are going to be basically capitalizing the fact that all these people
- 11:13are spending all this money. And then the other side of the coin is
- 11:16everyone's so bodied in the passive right now that and everyone has very very concentrated
- 11:22portfolios. Because of it, things roll over and go down. We're going
- 11:26to see a lot of people really really get burnt. And then you know,
- 11:30it makes it tough because it's like, okay, well that's okay,
- 11:31let's get back in and nobody wants to so good old behavioral economics. We've
- 11:35seen it happen time and time and time again, and my fears that's a
- 11:39little bit worse this time because the next generation is just not as educated as
- 11:43the previous one was. All right, well, it's lots of interesting things
- 11:48ahead, so again, what do we do well, I think at the
- 11:50end of the day, right now, Hey, if we're looking like big
- 11:54picture of macro, it's like, yeah, it looks glomy. But if
- 11:56we're looking like short term, next six months, next nine months, maybe
- 12:01not so much. Generally speaking, an election year, they try to do
- 12:05whatever they can to make sure that nothing happens until after the fact, right,
- 12:09So we need to get the election over with before that we can let
- 12:13things collapse. I think it's kind of like the attitude of most politicians because
- 12:16they don't want to be able to have either side blame it on the other
- 12:20side. So I think that if we're looking over the next three six,
- 12:22nine months, we still have to lean in a you know, earning season
- 12:26is starting, we're going to see a wrap up in volatility. We are
- 12:31due for a pullback in the market. So right now might be a good
- 12:33time to kind of dollar cost average in. But as far as your portfolio
- 12:37itself, you have to be disciplined and you have to have a predetermined reason
- 12:41to get into something in a predetermined reason to get out of it. It's
- 12:46not just good enough to buy anymore. We have to have a reason to
- 12:48get out, whether that's a profit, whether whether that's a stop, you
- 12:52know, whether that's a big picture relationship. But there needs to be a
- 12:56reason because right now it's going to be more important to protect your wealth when
- 13:01things get bad. But at the same time, the everyday investor just can't
- 13:07handle that fomo and they just want to ride the wave up. So you
- 13:11know, my job is to kind of have a balance of Okay, well,
- 13:13let's try to give you as much of it as possible, but then
- 13:15that's also protect you things get really really bad, really really vast, So
- 13:18I think discipline to take the emotion out of it and don't be afraid to
- 13:22be nimble, and at the end of the day, like if you're scared,
- 13:26there are things like cash. There are things like gold that can serve
- 13:31as a good hedge against uncertainty, and so you know, have some of
- 13:35that in your portfolio. All right, Well, that presents a lot of
- 13:41challenges, but with challenges often come opportunities. So it's time to start figuring
- 13:46this out. Now, Eddie, where do we find you out these days?
- 13:50Yeah, So the easiest thing is that it's attactivewealth dot com slash Eddie
- 13:54dash Gifford. That's my website and then once you get there that there's all
- 13:58my contact information and everything as far as contact information and general easiest way to
- 14:03get a hold of me is email. That's Eddie with a Y dot Gifford
- 14:07at tactivewealth dot com. And you know, we're just looking to help anyone
- 14:11who's a little bit unsure uncertain about what's going on out there, and I
- 14:16think there's a lot of them out there right now, So read out all
- 14:18right, appreciate that. Hey, you've got a question for Eddie myself,
- 14:22shoot me an email. Katelatcarrie LUTs dot com and of course on link to
- 14:28Eddie's site will be in the show. That's this interview on Financial Survival Network
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- 14:35always a pleasure. We'll talk to you again soon. Appreciate it. Thank
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