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Livin' La Vida Voodoo | Affaire de Bizoton · Beheaded

• 0:04
  SPEAKER_03: Hello and welcome to Beheaded.
• 0:06
  SPEAKER_01: Welcome to season three, episode eight.
• 0:09
  SPEAKER_03: I'm Megan Moore.
• 0:10
  SPEAKER_03: And I'm Elizabeth Black.
• 0:11
  SPEAKER_03: And you are here because you love Dark Beheaded Execution.
• 0:19
  SPEAKER_03: This is a fun game.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_03: Hold on.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_03: Let's Okay, you say word, I say word.
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_03: Ready?
• 0:22
  SPEAKER_03: We're just gonna say words at each other.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_03: Guillotine.
• 0:29
  unknown: Hold on.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: Give me one.
• 0:30
  SPEAKER_00: Give me one.
• 0:31
  SPEAKER_00: Hold on.
• 0:33
  SPEAKER_03: If we get the same one.
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, ready?
• 0:34
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_03: Alright.
• 0:35
  SPEAKER_03: One, two, three, murder.
• 0:39
  SPEAKER_01: I keep saying the same thing.
• 0:40
  SPEAKER_01: I know.
• 0:41
  SPEAKER_01: Did I say murder already?
• 0:43
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, go ahead.
• 0:44
  SPEAKER_01: Executioner.
• 0:46
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, this is a terrible game.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_01: Um, give me one more chance.
• 0:49
  SPEAKER_01: Give me one more chance.
• 0:50
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, let me think of it first, and then we will go.
• 0:53
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, okay.
• 0:55
  SPEAKER_03: One, two, three, dangerous.
• 1:01
  SPEAKER_01: Boiled alive.
• 1:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_01: I'm bad at well, no, I'm good at word association games.
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not good at shouting out words randomly games.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_03: We're like um stepbrothers when they yell out the we were supposed to say the same things.
• 1:15
  SPEAKER_01: We're not I mean, we're kind of in tune because everything we say is about I think if you gave us association words, like you gave us a word and then we both have to say word associated with that, we'd be really good at it.
• 1:26
  SPEAKER_01: Alright, let's try that.
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: Ready?
• 1:27
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, how's that gonna work?
• 1:28
  SPEAKER_01: Who's gonna be the word keeper?
• 1:31
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, we need a third person.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: Kinda.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_01: Unless you want to just throw out a word and then we both say associated word.
• 1:36
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: Ready?
• 1:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, sure.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_03: Say the word.
• 1:38
  SPEAKER_03: Um, piano.
• 1:42
  SPEAKER_03: Little mermaid.
• 1:44
  SPEAKER_03: That's pretty good.
• 1:46
  SPEAKER_03: I think that counts.
• 1:47
  SPEAKER_03: I don't even know if we can explain that.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_03: It's the only song.
• 1:50
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, we don't need to explain.
• 1:52
  SPEAKER_03: It's the only song I know on the piano.
• 1:54
  SPEAKER_00: Uh every time I was at Megan's for a while, like at the beginning of the pandemic, I would like walk in her house and I would hear her upstairs just go, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, do, off-key.
• 2:09
  SPEAKER_00: I was like, I get it.
• 2:10
  SPEAKER_00: I know what she's doing.
• 2:12
  SPEAKER_03: And I still only know that one song.
• 2:14
  SPEAKER_01: That's that's still good.
• 2:16
  SPEAKER_01: You know, you got this whole keyboard set up behind me.
• 2:18
  SPEAKER_01: You should take a picture of that.
• 2:20
  SPEAKER_03: I have the worst allergies right now.
• 2:22
  SPEAKER_03: I'm so sorry if I'm like sniffling.
• 2:23
  SPEAKER_03: I'm trying not to.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_03: I've been I've been allergic all week.
• 2:26
  SPEAKER_03: I think it's just ugly little tissue paper.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that is ugly.
• 2:29
  SPEAKER_01: You need a hanky, like a cute little monogrammed hanky you put in your lapel.
• 2:33
  SPEAKER_03: That'd be cute.
• 2:34
  SPEAKER_03: It would say beheaded on it.
• 2:36
  SPEAKER_03: But right now you just have a roll of toilet paper you're tearing from.
• 2:39
  SPEAKER_03: I could stuff it up my nostrils and just be really cute.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_03: Please don't.
• 2:43
  SPEAKER_03: It's just allergies.
• 2:44
  SPEAKER_03: I've been sniffly all week, too.
• 2:46
  SPEAKER_03: Just in in the desert here, we're in Arizona for those who have not listened to every episode.
• 2:52
  SPEAKER_03: Um, the the dust, the dirt, I'm just, oh, it's just everywhere.
• 2:57
  SPEAKER_03: It's so dry here.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: I've been bad.
• 2:59
  SPEAKER_01: I've been doing Allegra like daily.
• 3:01
  SPEAKER_01: The only reason I didn't do it today is because I took it last night late, so I have to wait 24 hours before I take another pill because I'm responsible.
• 3:08
  SPEAKER_03: Um now I overdose on that.
• 3:10
  SPEAKER_03: You're like, excuse me, there's a 24-hour rule.
• 3:12
  SPEAKER_03: Half a bottle.
• 3:13
  SPEAKER_03: I go to they're just like, I literally spared in.
• 3:16
  SPEAKER_01: I had one in my hand this morning and I almost popped it, and then I was like, wait, Elizabeth, you can't do that.
• 3:21
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you gotta you gotta make sure this goes, you know, this is a 24-hour rule here.
• 3:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um so I I didn't do it, just so we all are clear.
• 3:29
  SPEAKER_01: That I've been doing VIX Vaporub every night on my chest and my nostrils.
• 3:33
  SPEAKER_03: Did you do that?
• 3:34
  SPEAKER_03: No, it reminds me of when I was sick as a kid.
• 3:37
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 3:38
  SPEAKER_01: It's kind of comforting.
• 3:40
  SPEAKER_01: I put like covers up high, and I'm like, ooh, I'm in like a VIX cocoon.
• 3:44
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, I do have a question for you.
• 3:45
  SPEAKER_03: Oh.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_03: When you have your choice of like an artificial flavored something of sorts, like a medicine?
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_03: Mm-hmm.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 3:53
  SPEAKER_03: Do you get grape or do you get cherry?
• 3:55
  SPEAKER_03: Cherry.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, here's my next theory.
• 3:57
  SPEAKER_03: But cherry does suck.
• 3:59
  SPEAKER_03: Now that I say it, I don't like it.
• 4:00
  SPEAKER_03: No, but listen, okay, I have a theory.
• 4:03
  SPEAKER_03: When you were a kid, did your mom give you grape Benadryl?
• 4:07
  SPEAKER_03: Or grape, like whatever.
• 4:11
  SPEAKER_01: No, she gave me cherry.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, okay.
• 4:13
  SPEAKER_01: You just broke my theory.
• 4:14
  SPEAKER_01: You're thinking whatever your mom gave you, you want opposite?
• 4:16
  SPEAKER_01: Is that what you're saying?
• 4:17
  SPEAKER_03: Everyone else I've ever spoken to, they like Jake cannot stand cherry, but his mom gave him cherry medicine and he likes grape.
• 4:26
  SPEAKER_01: Well, okay, it's funny you say that because I don't take anything that's cherry flavored now.
• 4:30
  SPEAKER_01: I've only taken cherry things as a kid.
• 4:32
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, but like think about like a lollipop, like one of those like little dum-dums.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_03: I do.
• 4:36
  SPEAKER_03: Like you had your you had the choice.
• 4:41
  SPEAKER_03: Like you associate.
• 4:42
  SPEAKER_03: You're kind of right.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_03: You're right.
• 4:43
  SPEAKER_01: Because I do, like, I do associate anything cherry flavored.
• 4:46
  SPEAKER_01: Even, okay, Baskin Robins, they're like cherry sundae or whatever.
• 4:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like what even their black cherry or oh, like the just the the like the red liquid they put on top of their ice cream.
• 4:59
  SPEAKER_01: And sometimes it's cherry, sometimes it's strawberry.
• 5:01
  SPEAKER_01: Regardless, doesn't matter because it tastes like everything I drank as a kid in medicine, and I don't like that.
• 5:06
  SPEAKER_03: So I I get what you're saying.
• 5:08
  SPEAKER_03: I think it I could write a whole thesis on this.
• 5:10
  SPEAKER_03: I've I've interviewed enough people, and I think it's true.
• 5:13
  SPEAKER_01: No, that is true.
• 5:14
  SPEAKER_01: You're you're right.
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_01: I just don't like my med, I don't really take medicine at all anyway, but if I do take medicine as an adult, it's like day quill or night quill, and those don't really come in flavors.
• 5:23
  SPEAKER_00: No, you're not a child.
• 5:25
  SPEAKER_01: No, I take just the the adult shit that puts you to sleep.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_01: Um what do you what did you take as a kid?
• 5:32
  SPEAKER_01: Grape.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_01: And now you like cherry.
• 5:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I cannot do grape.
• 5:37
  SPEAKER_01: When you drink that's cherry, you like Benadryl as a kid?
• 5:40
  SPEAKER_03: Well, no, now like lollipops and you know, I'm trying to think sugary, like candy little hard candy, like like Jolly Ranchers, you know?
• 5:53
  SPEAKER_03: Oh like I don't like grape Jolly Ranchers.
• 5:56
  SPEAKER_03: I like cherry.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: I get that.
• 5:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I always had grape as a kid.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_03: Makes sense.
• 5:59
  SPEAKER_03: I like this theory.
• 6:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's a real research on it.
• 6:02
  SPEAKER_03: Speaking of, I was as sick as a dog this week.
• 6:06
  SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry.
• 6:07
  SPEAKER_03: My husband had the stomach flu, and I was a terrible bedside nurse to him.
• 6:12
  SPEAKER_03: I it was one of those like middle of the night, like bad.
• 6:15
  SPEAKER_03: I won't get into details.
• 6:16
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and it definitely wasn't food poisoning because we ate everything the same that day.
• 6:21
  SPEAKER_03: But I was so I I can't be around sick people.
• 6:24
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 6:25
  SPEAKER_03: Like he was, you know, doing and I like started gagging because I like couldn't handle it.
• 6:30
  SPEAKER_03: And then we were both just like throwing up together.
• 6:32
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, You're a sick too.
• 6:33
  SPEAKER_03: I'm like, no, I just can't handle this situation.
• 6:35
  SPEAKER_03: And so I felt bad because I wasn't that great of a nurse.
• 6:39
  SPEAKER_03: And I just was kind of like throwing him like things like here's some towels.
• 6:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's okay.
• 6:44
  SPEAKER_03: Good luck.
• 6:45
  SPEAKER_03: Best best with you.
• 6:46
  SPEAKER_03: And um, three days later, I got it, middle of the night, and sweet Jake was up every 30 minutes.
• 6:53
  SPEAKER_03: And I was just like saying, No, go back to bed.
• 6:55
  SPEAKER_03: Like, I don't need to.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_00: How are you?
• 6:57
  SPEAKER_03: And I felt like he was one-upping me just a little bit, like he was doing a way better job than I ever was.
• 7:02
  SPEAKER_03: He was like rubbing my back and like, get it up, girl.
• 7:05
  SPEAKER_01: Like, for just like selfish reasons.
• 7:08
  SPEAKER_01: So you could hold it over you.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_03: The whole next day he was so nice, like, brought me jello and whatever I needed.
• 7:14
  SPEAKER_03: Do you crave jello when you're sick?
• 7:16
  SPEAKER_03: When you're that sick and I couldn't keep anything down.
• 7:18
  SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah.
• 7:19
  SPEAKER_03: Like this was at like the 18-hour mark, and I was starving because I couldn't eat anything.
• 7:24
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, all I want is like a little that's what made me think of it.
• 7:27
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry, I was thinking of this.
• 7:28
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, all I want is like some cherry jello.
• 7:31
  SPEAKER_03: Interesting.
• 7:32
  SPEAKER_03: The only thing I could really keep down for like 24 hours.
• 7:35
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's a good thing to have in a banana.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I can always do bananas.
• 7:39
  SPEAKER_01: I could do any form of bread, really.
• 7:41
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I had a like all I ate that day was one piece of like not even a half a piece of toast, half a cup of jello, like a third of a banana.
• 7:50
  SPEAKER_03: I lost like a good five pounds.
• 7:51
  SPEAKER_03: It was one of the best diets.
• 7:54
  SPEAKER_03: Bikini ready.
• 7:55
  SPEAKER_03: No, no, that's terrible.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_03: It was getting ready for summer.
• 7:58
  SPEAKER_03: I would not put that on my worst enemy.
• 8:00
  SPEAKER_03: I'm totally it was only a 24-hour thing, but it was it was not fun.
• 8:04
  SPEAKER_03: And I was but I was thinking like medicine too, and I was trying to drink Pepto Bismol, which is when you're already nauseous and that's what's supposed to make you feel better.
• 8:14
  SPEAKER_01: That does not make you feel better.
• 8:15
  SPEAKER_01: That's so upsetting to your tummy.
• 8:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was it's funny because I feel like I've had that less, like these situations left ever since work from home.
• 8:24
  SPEAKER_01: Because like when you would go into an office, you'd always just be like, Okay, I have to like bring myself to the office.
• 8:29
  SPEAKER_01: So you wake up early, sometimes you get much sleep, you know, or you force yourself to exercise or whatever.
• 8:34
  SPEAKER_01: Like you just like force your routine, and that when I was at least going into an office, obviously, like sometimes would make me sick.
• 8:41
  SPEAKER_01: And now I think with work from home, you're just like, I could sleep for another half hour.
• 8:45
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel like you're just a like a human more.
• 8:49
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you can give in to your like, you know, I could not imagine walking into work, even on Friday when I was because I called out on Thursday because I I I was ambitious at the beginning.
• 9:01
  SPEAKER_03: I was like, I'm gonna do a half day and just start late.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 9:04
  SPEAKER_03: And then by 12, I was like, I cannot lift my head up.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you can't even look at my own.
• 9:08
  SPEAKER_03: I can't even, yeah, everything was making me sick.
• 9:12
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and I was thinking even the next day, I worked because I was from home and I just had my laptop.
• 9:17
  SPEAKER_03: I could not imagine going into the office.
• 9:19
  SPEAKER_03: And we used to do that, and there are we used to push through people who still do that.
• 9:24
  SPEAKER_03: That's good for you guys.
• 9:25
  SPEAKER_03: Good for everyone who gets themselves together and goes into an office.
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_03: Getting into an office or anything, yeah.
• 9:30
  SPEAKER_01: Any any workplace.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: It's so funny.
• 9:32
  SPEAKER_01: Even last week, I like I went into the office and I met a few of our co-workers because we were just like, we're like actually closing our office right now.
• 9:39
  SPEAKER_01: So it was kind of a sad like move of like, let's go to the office and you know, start to shut things down kind of thing.
• 9:45
  SPEAKER_01: So I met like five of our coworkers, and it was so weird.
• 9:47
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, oh my god, I got up, I showered, I got clothes on, I drove to an office.
• 9:53
  SPEAKER_01: We all got there, we were kind of in this weird like daze.
• 9:56
  SPEAKER_01: We went to lunch together, and then we were all like, remember when we used to do this like every day?
• 10:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like I would just take coffee breaks just to like step away for a little bit.
• 10:06
  SPEAKER_03: We had to.
• 10:07
  SPEAKER_01: So it's so it was so weird to see.
• 10:09
  SPEAKER_01: It was just like, oh yeah, this used to be our life, and now we're just like, you know, it's I don't I won't I don't want to say easy because work from home is not that easy because you blur a lot of lines between personal time and work time, and it is still hard.
• 10:20
  SPEAKER_03: I'm the opposite.
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_03: Like for me, I feel like I don't give myself a break work from home because I'm like saying because you can sort of assume you're oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_03: You know, I'm just like, I don't, I'm taking my lunch, but I'm just gonna like be doing it's like you have coffee, but you're at your computer.
• 10:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like you have lunch, but you're at your computer.
• 10:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like at least in the office, you would like step away.
• 10:39
  SPEAKER_03: I'd be like very intentionally, yeah.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_03: I'm gonna go walk to Taco Bell to get out of the oh, remember our Taco Bell runs?
• 10:47
  SPEAKER_03: We would go and get the party packs.
• 10:49
  SPEAKER_01: The Taco Bell Cantina.
• 10:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we had a cantina right next to our office, which not that we participated during work work hours, but they had never tequila at this Taco Bell.
• 11:01
  SPEAKER_03: It was awesome.
• 11:02
  SPEAKER_03: We all late night place.
• 11:04
  SPEAKER_03: Our office was in a very downtown college district.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_03: So it was where all the bars and the college kids were, and then Elizabeth and I just come to get Taco Bell and the other.
• 11:14
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, hey, we're in our 30s, we can be here.
• 11:16
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but there was great things.
• 11:18
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, I don't want to go too much on about that, but uh RIP like office life.
• 11:23
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was nice.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: We had a good run.
• 11:24
  SPEAKER_01: It was a thing.
• 11:25
  SPEAKER_01: It's weird that we just don't have to worry about that anymore.
• 11:28
  SPEAKER_03: And a lot of people do.
• 11:29
  SPEAKER_03: We got very lucky in my mind.
• 11:31
  SPEAKER_03: We're drinking wine on a weekday night, school night, school night, and we got things to talk about.
• 11:36
  SPEAKER_03: We did do an African stew cooking class through our job.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: We did.
• 11:42
  SPEAKER_03: Right?
• 11:43
  SPEAKER_03: That was really fun.
• 11:44
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, our work hosted a really cool West African um cuisine class tonight.
• 11:49
  SPEAKER_01: We made West African peanut stew.
• 11:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's good.
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_01: Which is really fun.
• 11:53
  SPEAKER_01: And Megan and I like did it together.
• 11:54
  SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, she minced the garlic.
• 11:56
  SPEAKER_01: Well, I like minced the ginger, and we both chopped up sweet potato, but it was just that.
• 12:01
  SPEAKER_01: It was like it was like garlic, uh ginger, sweet potato, onion, just like in a big broth of tomato paste and peanut butter.
• 12:10
  SPEAKER_03: And peanut butter.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_03: That's what was strange.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_03: Like, yeah, like sweet potato, tomato, onion, peanut peanut butter.
• 12:17
  SPEAKER_01: But it was really good and like thick, you know, and and you have barley.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_01: You could put collard greens in it and barley at the end.
• 12:24
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and then you at the end, like the very end, when it's finished, you put cilantro on top and a little bit of crushed peanuts, and it was just really good.
• 12:31
  SPEAKER_01: It only took us an hour to make.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_03: I wouldn't think it was African, though.
• 12:35
  SPEAKER_01: I well that's what maybe now.
• 12:37
  SPEAKER_01: She's like, she's like, what about this is African?
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_01: We have like jiff peanut butter.
• 12:40
  SPEAKER_03: It felt more Thai because of the peanut and cilantro and ginger.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 12:46
  SPEAKER_01: I I mean, I guess I don't know.
• 12:48
  SPEAKER_01: I I thought peanuts were more of a Caribbean thing than an African thing.
• 12:52
  SPEAKER_01: I'm not sure.
• 12:53
  SPEAKER_01: But it was it was very good.
• 12:54
  SPEAKER_01: And we had this great chef who kind of walked us through.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_01: I wish she talked a little bit more, like, again, maybe culturally, like where it was from or like why it was West African or whatever.
• 13:02
  SPEAKER_01: But it was a fun class.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: It was.
• 13:04
  SPEAKER_01: We made it, it was delicious.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but because I mean we had this night planned, and we've also had one of these executions planned, but we're like, how about because we're doing this specific class tonight, we do like a cool voodoo episode.
• 13:18
  SPEAKER_01: We always like to theme our shows with our consumption of the evening.
• 13:23
  SPEAKER_01: Really, everything's based on food and wine in life, you know, you just work around that.
• 13:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um, even more themed is to kind of give you a glimpse of what we're gonna be talking about.
• 13:33
  SPEAKER_03: Our wine is called carnivore.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_03: Carnivore.
• 13:36
  SPEAKER_01: Which I think, okay, not to like spoil it, but I think we had this on a different episode.
• 13:41
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
• 13:42
  SPEAKER_01: I thought we were so unique.
• 13:43
  SPEAKER_01: It is unique, but I think we did this.
• 13:45
  SPEAKER_01: It's good wine.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: I like it.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: But I like it.
• 13:46
  SPEAKER_01: It's just what is it, a cab?
• 13:47
  SPEAKER_01: It's just a cab, California 2019.
• 13:50
  SPEAKER_01: Um did you do this tear or is that part of it?
• 13:53
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's part of the label.
• 13:54
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh, I like that.
• 13:55
  SPEAKER_01: It looks like there's like a claw, like someone.
• 13:57
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_01: So we're gonna talk a little bit about uh cannibalism this evening.
• 14:03
  SPEAKER_01: Just light.
• 14:04
  SPEAKER_01: It's fine, it's very light.
• 14:05
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but yeah, we we we've been talking about doing something kind of kind of tribal and African for a while, but this is a really cool uh, you know, time to do it because we're near the anniversary of this big execution that happened in Haiti.
• 14:20
  SPEAKER_01: You know what I was just thinking.
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_03: What?
• 14:22
  SPEAKER_03: In this very literal second.
• 14:24
  SPEAKER_03: This is also the anniversary of another execution that we've done.
• 14:28
  SPEAKER_01: You're thinking of uh Catherine Howard.
• 14:31
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we just had her anniversary.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: I did.
• 14:34
  SPEAKER_01: And this, I think it's the same day actually, because she's February 13th.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, February 13th.
• 14:38
  SPEAKER_01: Whoa.
• 14:39
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, literally the same day.
• 14:40
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 14:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, okay, and I'm gonna be bad because I can't remember her execution date.
• 14:45
  SPEAKER_01: 15 something.
• 14:50
  SPEAKER_01: I'm gonna say 42.
• 14:51
  SPEAKER_01: Sure.
• 14:52
  SPEAKER_01: Because Anne Boleyn was 33.
• 14:56
  SPEAKER_01: Anne Boleyn was 33 when she became queen.
• 14:59
  SPEAKER_01: I can't remember which year she was executed.
• 15:01
  SPEAKER_01: That's really bad of me.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: I should know.
• 15:02
  SPEAKER_01: Anne Boleyn, 1536.
• 15:04
  SPEAKER_01: Thank you, 1536.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: So, yeah.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_01: Catherine Howard must have been it just a few years after.
• 15:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, yeah, she's 42.
• 15:10
  SPEAKER_01: Nice, good for you.
• 15:11
  SPEAKER_03: Do you know all the dates of all the wives?
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 15:14
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, that'd be good.
• 15:15
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, there's only six.
• 15:18
  SPEAKER_03: Well, only two are executed.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I mean, any like death day of the wives.
• 15:23
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I know Catherine of Aragon was also January 1536, but I couldn't tell you the actual days.
• 15:29
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, so 36, 36, 13.
• 15:30
  SPEAKER_03: Jane Seymour was 38.
• 15:34
  SPEAKER_03: No, 39.
• 15:36
  SPEAKER_03: Oh, this is a fun game.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_03: We're all about the game.
• 15:38
  SPEAKER_03: Wait, I love this.
• 15:39
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, this is a great game.
• 15:40
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, talk about like my my I Googled Jane Seymour and it's like the actress from not that Jane Seymour.
• 15:49
  SPEAKER_03: 1537.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_03: Nice.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_03: Whoa, one year?
• 15:51
  SPEAKER_03: Uh-huh.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_03: October 24th, so like a year and a half.
• 15:54
  SPEAKER_03: 36, 37.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: I don't think she's a good one.
• 15:57
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know Anna Cleves.
• 15:59
  SPEAKER_03: She died out.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: She was older.
• 16:00
  SPEAKER_03: Her and Catherine Parr were both older, so I don't I don't know their deaths.
• 16:05
  SPEAKER_03: But what if Anna Cleves just outlived everybody?
• 16:07
  SPEAKER_03: Because she's badass.
• 16:09
  SPEAKER_03: She was 1557.
• 16:10
  SPEAKER_03: She might have.
• 16:11
  SPEAKER_03: Let's look at Katherine Parr because she was the last one.
• 16:14
  SPEAKER_01: So 42, 57, and drum roll, please.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_01: It's exciting.
• 16:21
  SPEAKER_03: 48.
• 16:22
  SPEAKER_03: Shut up.
• 16:23
  SPEAKER_01: Anna Cleves won it.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_01: Anna Cleves won.
• 16:25
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, what a bad bitch.
• 16:26
  SPEAKER_01: I would sing her little song all day.
• 16:28
  SPEAKER_03: Get down.
• 16:29
  SPEAKER_03: Well, we got how do we always bring it back to like the six wives of Henry VIII?
• 16:33
  SPEAKER_03: It's a voodoo episode.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_03: So damn it.
• 16:35
  SPEAKER_03: About voodoo and cannibalism, we still got it back to Henry VIII.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 16:40
  SPEAKER_03: We'll do a tutor episode soon.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_03: I know we've been very unique this season, I feel like, where we've done, we've tried out some new things.
• 16:47
  SPEAKER_03: And I want to thank you for being patient while we've kind of worked through some different styles.
• 16:52
  SPEAKER_03: Like, for example, um, our Roman Coliseum executions.
• 16:56
  SPEAKER_03: I I got some feedback on that.
• 16:58
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't tell you the feedback.
• 16:59
  SPEAKER_03: I don't want to good, good, bad, indifferent.
• 17:03
  SPEAKER_03: I mean, I think it was just a very different setup.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_03: And some people thought maybe it was disorganized, which was funny because I felt like we were the most organized with that because we literally laid out what each of us were gonna talk about.
• 17:14
  SPEAKER_03: But it was, but it's because it wasn't linear, you know.
• 17:17
  SPEAKER_03: It wasn't a start to finish.
• 17:19
  SPEAKER_00: Right kind of thing.
• 17:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then don't even get me talking about freaking Broomhilda, because I when I got done with my part, I literally who gave you that feedback.
• 17:28
  SPEAKER_03: That's really that's my own feedback.
• 17:31
  SPEAKER_03: I threw down my notebook and was like, I've never saying child a bear again.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_01: There was a point where Megan just threw down her notes and she's like, I'm not doing this.
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_03: What is this?
• 17:41
  SPEAKER_01: I almost didn't publish it.
• 17:43
  SPEAKER_01: Fake episode.
• 17:44
  SPEAKER_03: I considered it.
• 17:45
  SPEAKER_01: It was I thought it was quite good when I listened to it.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_01: I'm glad you have higher.
• 17:48
  SPEAKER_01: There was only like one part I was like, mm-hmm.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: But the rest I thought was pretty okay.
• 17:53
  SPEAKER_03: Pretty linear.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, bringing it back to it.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_03: Speaking linear, let's go.
• 17:58
  SPEAKER_03: Um, we are talking about voodoo, and I will only sing the song once.
• 18:04
  SPEAKER_03: Go ahead.
• 18:05
  SPEAKER_03: The voodoo, the too-doo of voodoo.
• 18:08
  SPEAKER_00: Isn't that the words?
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: You don't even know the song and you're singing it?
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: Salt and pepper.
• 18:12
  SPEAKER_00: Oh, I thought you were talking about.
• 18:13
  SPEAKER_00: What are you singing?
• 18:14
  SPEAKER_00: The Princess and the Frog.
• 18:15
  SPEAKER_00: You sing it.
• 18:16
  SPEAKER_01: I got voodoo, I got voodoo, I got things you ain't even tried.
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_01: But don't blame me.
• 18:25
  SPEAKER_01: Blame the man on the other side.
• 18:28
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that how it goes?
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 18:30
  SPEAKER_01: I've got friends on the other side.
• 18:31
  SPEAKER_01: I've got friends on the other side.
• 18:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's a great one.
• 18:34
  SPEAKER_01: I did my senior thesis on Princess and the Frog.
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_01: Fun fact.
• 18:39
  SPEAKER_00: Anyway, let's jump into this specific episode.
• 18:44
  SPEAKER_00: I'm just staring at Elizabeth like that.
• 18:50
  SPEAKER_01: So this specific episode is about the Bisiton affair execution from 1864 in Port-au-Prince, Haiti.
• 18:59
  SPEAKER_01: Um, there's a few ways to say that again because Haiti uh predominantly speaks French.
• 19:04
  SPEAKER_01: Bisiton is the way I'm pronouncing it, but it you might have heard of it as the Bisuiton affair.
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but essentially it is eight Haitians who were executed for a cannibalistic murder that took place in 1864.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_01: Um so there's a lot of things involved in this.
• 19:20
  SPEAKER_01: We're gonna start with kind of the backstory of Voodoo in this region and how it led up to these eight Haitians being executed.
• 19:27
  SPEAKER_01: And again, obviously at this point in time, there's a lot of different sides to the story.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_01: So we'll try to give each side enough weight because it is one of those things where it's like history is written by rich white men type of thing, right?
• 19:39
  SPEAKER_01: So, so a lot of this is like, oh, this is these are the terrible things they described and the crimes that they did.
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_01: But we're gonna unpack it a little bit and say, well, like this is what you know was said to have happened.
• 19:51
  SPEAKER_01: These are what we know are some of the beliefs of voodooism, and kind of go from there.
• 19:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um and again, always welcome to feedback.
• 19:57
  SPEAKER_01: So if you have anything to say.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_01: We know a few of our listeners are uh from really cool areas of the globe that are a little more familiar with this content, so feel free to give us some feedback, especially being so close to Mardi Gras as we are.
• 20:09
  SPEAKER_01: That's kind of cool.
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_03: Don't tell us we're disorganized.
• 20:11
  SPEAKER_01: We already already know that.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_01: We're away.
• 20:14
  SPEAKER_01: I think that's why you listen, right?
• 20:15
  SPEAKER_01: Because you like the the you know, weaving and weaving throughout his episode.
• 20:20
  SPEAKER_03: If I could tell you the amount of times that Elizabeth has been shimmying and I she just shimmies because it's a voodoo episode, so I shimmy on this.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_01: And I shimmy normally, I guess.
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_01: I get excited and I can't.
• 20:31
  SPEAKER_03: When you get excited, you shimmy, I think it's anyways.
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_03: Okay, continue with that.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_03: That's why we don't have a YouTube channel because of the shimmying.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_01: Uh anyway, but this is this is what put voodoo on the map in a bad way, what gave voodoo like a bad image, essentially.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_01: So let's go into a little bit of the background of voodooism.
• 20:47
  SPEAKER_01: So, voodoo, and again, we've learned recently that voodoo is also pronounced in like different ways, and people say it differently, spell it differently.
• 20:55
  SPEAKER_01: For the purposes of our episode, because Megan and I are 33 and 32.
• 21:00
  SPEAKER_01: How old are you?
• 21:01
  SPEAKER_01: 32.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_01: 33 and 32.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, we're stuck in the way of saying voodoo, so sorry, we know like I guess the more politically correct ways to say voodoo.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: Voodoo.
• 21:11
  SPEAKER_01: Voodoo.
• 21:12
  SPEAKER_01: Voodoo.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_01: There's like different ways of saying voodoo.
• 21:14
  SPEAKER_03: It's more French, and there's different spellings.
• 21:16
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_03: Like I always thought voodoo was just V-O-O-D-O-O.
• 21:20
  SPEAKER_03: That's how, yeah, I went to the which is outdated and it's that's cancelled.
• 21:24
  SPEAKER_03: It's canceled now.
• 21:25
  SPEAKER_03: V-O-D-O-U.
• 21:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like the French spelling.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:29
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_01: So we apologize if we offend anyone by our pronunciation of it.
• 21:33
  SPEAKER_01: That's just how we know it and how we're gonna say it, and you know us with pronunciation anyway.
• 21:37
  SPEAKER_01: So for all intents and purposes, we're just gonna keep it simple and say voodoo.
• 21:41
  SPEAKER_01: Hashtag childe bear.
• 21:42
  SPEAKER_01: Hashtag childe bear.
• 21:44
  SPEAKER_00: Hashtag childe bear.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_00: Let's never do that episode again.
• 21:47
  SPEAKER_01: I think it was okay.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_00: I I liked it.
• 21:49
  SPEAKER_01: I listened to it when I ran.
• 21:50
  SPEAKER_01: I was like, yeah, I get it.
• 21:52
  SPEAKER_01: Okay.
• 21:53
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so voodoo.
• 21:55
  SPEAKER_01: So this is a mixed religion, essentially, that um was derived from Haitian slaves.
• 22:00
  SPEAKER_01: With African roots.
• 22:02
  SPEAKER_01: So a lot of people in West Africa at the time, you know, had this belief, and again, like this is a totally different continent, right, than what Western European uh Western Europeans had believed in terms of religion.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_01: So, so this was something that had many deities.
• 22:19
  SPEAKER_01: It was polytheistic.
• 22:21
  SPEAKER_01: Um, when a lot of scholars are asked, like, how many deities that voodoo even has, they say, oh, anywhere from 201 to 2001.
• 22:29
  SPEAKER_01: And they the reason why they always say and the N1 is because there's too many deities to count.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_01: So they always thought that there was deities that were reborn, like gods that were reborn and derived from new situations that evolved over time.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_01: So every time you know these people encountered kind of tough situations in their life, a new deity would be created to help them cope with that situation.
• 22:50
  SPEAKER_01: So it was very much like when they got to the new world, the Caribbean, the Americas, like they they relied heavily on Voodoo to kind of help them explain why they're in these situations.
• 22:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why are they enslaved?
• 23:00
  SPEAKER_01: Like, why are they dealing with all these hardships?
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so so they have many, many gods to kind of pay tribute to because all their situations are very unique and the hardship they had to endure was very unique.
• 23:11
  SPEAKER_01: So that's just a little bit of a background again about the um polytheistic nature of the religion.
• 23:17
  SPEAKER_01: But it was said to originally come from um either the forest or the city of Benin.
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_01: I think I'm saying that right, Benin, which is known as the birthplace of Voodoo.
• 23:27
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so this is a place in West Africa, and uh they they had this again, this forest that was supposed to be so spiritual in nature that gave them all of these uh beliefs and helped them figure out their rituals for the for the religion.
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_01: So this was again a place where they would come back to and really, I guess, spiritually be themselves in this forest.
• 23:50
  SPEAKER_01: And this is this is like such a fucked up part of like what happened when slavery came about, because it didn't need any more fucked up things, right?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_01: But so so on once slavery kind of entered Africa and all these um, you know, people that were in the in these Western African tribes were starting to get captured, being sent to Europe, being sent to the Caribbean, be sent being sent to the Americas, one thing that a lot of the Europeans made them do was circle what they called the tree of forgetfulness.
• 24:21
  SPEAKER_01: So they literally had this tree, you know, maybe it was part deity, uh just part uh ritual, but they would circle it whenever they wanted to forget something bad that's happened to them.
• 24:31
  SPEAKER_01: So, as part of their ritual before they were being sent to these new worlds, was they would make them walk around this tree for hours and tell them, you're no longer who you were.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_01: You're no longer, you know, this religion, you're no longer who you are.
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_01: Now we have a new purpose for you.
• 24:45
  SPEAKER_01: We're sending you off to do different things in the world.
• 24:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so that it's like they used their own religion against them to be like, hey, circle this tree until you forget who you are.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_01: Um so again, they were then shipped off.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_01: Uh I mean, we've all heard the horrific stories of the slave trip, uh slave boats, the slave ships to the Caribbean, to the Americas.
• 25:06
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they were taken to all these new places.
• 25:08
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people were really scared of voodooism when they came to these new places because they saw it as a threat.
• 25:15
  SPEAKER_01: They saw it as a way for all of these slaves to bond together over their religion and essentially overturn their masters.
• 25:23
  SPEAKER_01: So they were really nervous about this religion when they came in and they were finding a lot of ways to suppress it and say, okay, like whatever you did in Africa, whatever your your tribal uh religions were, you can't do that here.
• 25:35
  SPEAKER_01: So every few years they in they started to mandate different things that were illegal, right?
• 25:41
  SPEAKER_01: So, like one thing that a lot of the people that practiced voodoo did was they would create little carvings from wood, you know, and they used them to to essentially be a way to feel powerful themselves.
• 25:52
  SPEAKER_01: Like they would create carvings, they would stuff their emotions into the carvings, they would extract emotions from the carvings in a way it was very cathartic and very like therapeutic to inflict whatever they were feeling in terms of pain or you know, overwhelming emotions into these like wooden figures, um, which was again essentially the early voodoo dolls.
• 26:12
  SPEAKER_01: And and these these slave masters would come and they take away the carvings and then they would ban all wood carvings in general.
• 26:17
  SPEAKER_01: They take away their uh you know cutlery to do the carvings and do all these things.
• 26:22
  SPEAKER_01: And that's why the essentially puppet came about with uh voodoo dolls, because they were they were easier to conceal.
• 26:28
  SPEAKER_01: So it's like, all right, well, you're taking away our wooden figures.
• 26:30
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we're gonna make them out of cloth and we're gonna hide them on our bodies.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_01: So we're still gonna do the same things we've been doing, but you know, they're not gonna be as obvious.
• 26:37
  SPEAKER_01: We're not just gonna have all these wood carvings around.
• 26:39
  SPEAKER_01: They even like banned their their drums, the African-style drums that they had to use in their ceremonies because they said, no, no, no, this is spreading voodooism.
• 26:48
  SPEAKER_01: So all these like silly things every few years would be taken away from them.
• 26:52
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so that was a little bit of the background, and then finally came the Haitian Revolution in 1791.
• 27:00
  SPEAKER_01: So at this point in 1791, about two-thirds of all of the slaves were actually born in Africa.
• 27:06
  SPEAKER_01: Again, they're still very much in this voodoo culture.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_01: Uh, you know, obviously they hate being enslaved, they hate like all the oppression that's going on.
• 27:13
  SPEAKER_01: Um, they have this big sense of anger and they want to like really lash out against their um suppressors.
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_01: So there comes this revolution, which I think is the first like slave revolution in all of history.
• 27:24
  SPEAKER_01: I've never heard of another one.
• 27:25
  SPEAKER_01: Isn't that wild?
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, I know.
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's like it's so it all was born in Haiti.
• 27:29
  SPEAKER_01: They were the first ones to say, hey, like, we're not dealing with this.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_01: Like, whatever you guys are trying to do to us and our people, this is not okay.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_01: And it's silly because a lot of these um scholars that came later, these Western European scholars, say, Oh, you know, because of um voodoo, they sold their soul to the devil, and that's the only reason why they were successful in their revolt.
• 27:51
  SPEAKER_01: Like, they weren't overpowering us, they weren't smarter than us or better than us.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_01: It's just because they sold their soul to the devils via voodoo that they were even able to uh overthrow us as a people.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_01: Via voodoo.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_01: Via voodoo.
• 28:03
  SPEAKER_01: Via La Voodoo.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_01: That's a good name for like a bar.
• 28:07
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Ooh.
• 28:08
  SPEAKER_01: Cool.
• 28:09
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, we'll open up a little voodoo bar in Scottsdale.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_01: Anyway, so um, so it came, you know, this this uh this big rebellion comes, 1791.
• 28:18
  SPEAKER_01: And so the first person who well, actually not first.
• 28:21
  SPEAKER_01: I would say there's a few people like leaders who kind of come to power, but one of the most prominent people that comes to power is someone um known as Emperor Faustine Siloqi.
• 28:31
  SPEAKER_01: Siloque.
• 28:32
  SPEAKER_01: And again, sorry if I'm saying his name wrong.
• 28:34
  SPEAKER_01: But he came to power in the 1850s.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_01: So he was actually in power for about 12 years.
• 28:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and he was very uh endorsing.
• 28:44
  SPEAKER_01: He he was he was happy to have voodoo as kind of not the official religion, but very much endorsed the religion and said, okay, like this is this is who our people are, this is what we're gonna do.
• 28:54
  SPEAKER_01: He practiced voodoo.
• 28:55
  SPEAKER_01: He practiced voodoo, yeah.
• 28:56
  SPEAKER_01: And he was a slave.
• 28:57
  SPEAKER_01: And he oh he was a slave, yeah.
• 28:59
  SPEAKER_01: He was a slave who was formerly, well, formerly a slave, and now he's in power, obviously.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so so there was a lot of mixed opinion.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like some people saw him as a very empowering figure who really spoke for this, again, like generation of slaves, and who was really giving a name to voodoo in a good way.
• 29:15
  SPEAKER_01: And they thought, okay, great, one of our own is is emperor, like president.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_01: He named himself emperor.
• 29:21
  SPEAKER_01: Other people, other people thought yeah, exactly.
• 29:24
  SPEAKER_01: Other people thought that exactly what Megan's kind of laughing about.
• 29:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, okay, you call yourself emperor, but like you're not really educated, you're not a good leader, like you're just kind of you're the only person that wanted this position.
• 29:36
  SPEAKER_01: Like, what what are your actual qualifications for office?
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_01: Like, can you lead this country, even though he did for 12 years?
• 29:43
  SPEAKER_01: So it was very easy to kind of see an opportunity to overthrow his rule.
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_03: Soloqua was ran out of office via a coup by Fabre Jaffard.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_03: That sounds good.
• 29:58
  SPEAKER_03: Am I saying that right?
• 29:59
  SPEAKER_03: Fabre Jaffard.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_03: Now, Fabre, he was a reformist president.
• 30:04
  SPEAKER_03: He's Catholic.
• 30:06
  SPEAKER_03: He is anti-Buddhism, he does not like voodoo, and he definitely doesn't like Emperor Faustine.
• 30:12
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 30:13
  SPEAKER_03: Uh, and he's from the elite Catholics.
• 30:16
  SPEAKER_03: He's he's an elitist.
• 30:17
  SPEAKER_03: And there are definitely parts of Haiti where there are the you know the elite levels, but then surrounding them and in the outskirts and the farmers, um, these are not Catholics.
• 30:29
  SPEAKER_03: These everyone who is in the outskirts, they're still practicing voodoo.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 30:33
  SPEAKER_01: It was kind of like voodoo was the folk religion and like the country religion, but the plantation owners and the elitists were all Catholic Christian.
• 30:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_03: Um and Fobrey have tried really hard to give Haiti this new rebranding that they are a Catholic country.
• 30:49
  SPEAKER_03: They even claim Catholicism as their primary religion, but that was really an anomaly because they, yeah, the people be like, oh yeah, yeah, we're Catholic, but no one was really like the majority of people were not practicing Catholics.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_03: They were practicing voodoo and their traditional heritage and what their ancestors practiced and what they brought from Africa.
• 31:10
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_01: They even tried to instill something called the Negro Code.
• 31:14
  SPEAKER_01: So the Negro Code was that you were supposed to baptize slaves within eight days of their arrival.
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_01: So as soon as you got new slaves to the island, you as a landowner or plantation owner or whatever were expected to baptize them.
• 31:28
  SPEAKER_01: But it was one of those things where like was talked about, it was expected, it was kind of a law, I think, but most plantation owners are like, yeah, whatever.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like they didn't really make an attempt to Christianize them or to turn them into anything.
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_01: So, like Megan said, it just kind of like I mean, it was it was the way it was.
• 31:43
  SPEAKER_01: Like they practiced voodooism mostly, and no one really did anything to enforce like Catholic rule or Christian rule.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 31:50
  SPEAKER_03: And when Emperor Faustine was in presidency, he was so open to voodoo that there was even this one story I read where there was a voodoo priestess who was just openly sacrificing in the middle of like the town square.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 32:04
  SPEAKER_03: And um, she was about to be arrested, and she was just kind of laughing, and she was like, Oh, well, you know, she was being arrested because she's killing things in front of everyone.
• 32:12
  SPEAKER_03: And she was like, Oh, basically, in so many words, she's she says something like, Well, the emperor will follow me because in so many words, he's also practicing this, and he agrees.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 32:22
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but yeah, Fabre was not about this, and he was he seized every opportunity that he could find to put Voodoo in a bad light and to show people this is an evil religion, this is not what we want our country to be about.
• 32:35
  SPEAKER_03: And that's what brings us to our our main purpose of of this evening's story, the Byzotin affairs.
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_03: So here goes the story, and I'm gonna kind of go into like the actual of what happened, and uh I want to start with saying that there's very limited um doc yeah information and documents about this.
• 32:56
  SPEAKER_03: There was no transcripts of this of the trial.
• 32:58
  SPEAKER_03: There was there's not a lot of heavy information on it, and what we're really relying on is just one person's account, um, Sir Spencer St.
• 33:06
  SPEAKER_03: John, who was a British charge de fair, right?
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_03: Who's like a diplomat.
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, not even that, like almost like a temporary diplomat, right?
• 33:14
  SPEAKER_03: Like um, but he has the most detailed account and he wrote a novel, or not a novel, not a story, but he wrote a a biography or some book.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 33:24
  SPEAKER_03: And and this is where the the gist of it comes from, is his account of it.
• 33:27
  SPEAKER_03: So take this all with a grain of salt because this is coming from one British white dude who wrote the whole account.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
• 33:34
  SPEAKER_03: So Kongo Pele, he was a man who lived in Bizzotin, Haiti, and he was very poor.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_03: He was a laborer, he was a servant, he lived in poverty, and he hated his life.
• 33:46
  SPEAKER_03: And he really just wanted to get out of this poverty.
• 33:49
  SPEAKER_03: And he was he practiced voodoo, and he was the brother of a voodoo priestess.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_03: So his sister was Jean.
• 33:57
  SPEAKER_03: Jean.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_03: Jean.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_03: Jean, sounds right.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_03: Um, Jean Palais, voodoo priestess.
• 34:03
  SPEAKER_03: And what better thing to do?
• 34:05
  SPEAKER_03: How are you gonna have your situation?
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_03: You're gonna get your voodoo priestess of a sister to help you and use sacrificial methods and um, you know, different voodoo practices to will your way out of this poverty to the point where it was such a big challenge.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, I don't wanna, you know, I just don't want to like make ends meet.
• 34:25
  SPEAKER_03: I just don't want to not be a servant.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_03: I want to be rich.
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_03: I wanna he was ambitious.
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he was a very ambitious person.
• 34:30
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 34:31
  SPEAKER_01: And really quick, when you think about it, like, because when people talk about voodoo, they're like, oh, do you know the blood sacrifices that go into voodooism?
• 34:37
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, well, think about any other Western religion, like Christianity, Judaism, you know, Muslim, like everyone sacrificed something in the Old Testament.
• 34:47
  SPEAKER_01: Like everyone sacrificed goats and you know things.
• 34:51
  SPEAKER_01: So it's Old Testament.
• 34:52
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this is Old Testament shit.
• 34:56
  SPEAKER_03: So December 1863, she decides, yes, brother, I will help you.
• 35:00
  SPEAKER_03: But you have a your scale of of ambition is more than just chickens and goats to sacrifice.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_03: And so they consult with two other voodoo priests.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 35:10
  SPEAKER_03: And they decide in quote, that you need a goat without horns.
• 35:15
  SPEAKER_03: Which means a human.
• 35:18
  SPEAKER_03: You need to sacrifice a human.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_03: Just sacrificing a goat, sacrificing a chicken is beyond your scope at this point for what you're trying to do.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 35:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's like if you want a menial promotion, you sacrifice those small things.
• 35:30
  SPEAKER_01: If you want something big, you gotta sacrifice something big.
• 35:33
  SPEAKER_03: Um and yeah, the the bigger the sacrifice, obviously, is someone who is of meaning to you, somebody who is close to you, somebody that it's truly a sacrifice in your life to lose this person.
• 35:44
  SPEAKER_03: So sadly enough, Jean chooses their niece.
• 35:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yes, Claire Cine, a 12-year-old girl.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_03: Yes.
• 35:52
  SPEAKER_03: They kidnap her, they tie her up, they they bound her, her hands, her legs, they hide her under an altar in a temple, and she's there for four days and four nights.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_03: So she's really tortured just before even any of the actual terrible stuff happens.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 36:10
  SPEAKER_03: Um, I doubt they're feeding her, giving her water, because she's a sacrifice.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_03: It's pretty dark.
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_03: You know what?
• 36:17
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like this is darker me reading it out loud than when I was like, Well, we researched it when I get it.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_03: When I'm going to myself, I'm like, okay, 12-year-old, they kill her, I I get it.
• 36:25
  SPEAKER_03: But now I'm like reading out loud, like this is actually really freaking dark.
• 36:28
  SPEAKER_03: It is dark, yeah.
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they wait intentionally until New Year's Eve, 1863, which is a big voodoo night.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_03: Um, and then they do a ceremony.
• 36:38
  SPEAKER_03: They bring her out.
• 36:39
  SPEAKER_03: Here's kind of the good thing.
• 36:41
  SPEAKER_03: I I say this good again.
• 36:43
  SPEAKER_01: Uh of as good as it could get.
• 36:45
  SPEAKER_01: If it were you, you'd want this to happen.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, despite the things that happen after.
• 36:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they strangle her first.
• 36:52
  SPEAKER_01: They push great news.
• 36:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, they they hold her neck and they push down on her chest and her ribs, and she's 12, she's small.
• 37:00
  SPEAKER_03: So they strangle her.
• 37:02
  SPEAKER_03: Um, there's also multiple people involved at this point.
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_03: It's not just Congo and his brother and his sister, sorry, Congo and his sister, but there's several family members and friends who become involved in this, and there's a total of eight people.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 37:16
  SPEAKER_03: At least.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_03: At least, from again, just from this trial of Surf Suspense or St.
• 37:21
  SPEAKER_03: John's rendition.
• 37:24
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they strangle her first, they flay her, they decapitate her, they dismember her, they take off her hands, they cook her body and they put her blood in a jar, and then they eat her.
• 37:41
  SPEAKER_01: They enjoy her flesh.
• 37:44
  SPEAKER_03: They eat this was a weird part, and uh Elizabeth's gonna talk more about the actual trial, but they talk about eating like her palms.
• 37:53
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they said specifically that her palms were very tasty, which is really interesting.
• 37:59
  SPEAKER_01: They had one confession that came out, and again, we'll go into this a little bit about You can go into it now.
• 38:04
  SPEAKER_03: I think that's like really all I have about the actual act of what's happening.
• 38:07
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, so so the biggest issue with this trial is that most of this, these confessions or any kind of evidence was withdrawn from torture and beatings.
• 38:17
  SPEAKER_01: As as we know, like you guys have heard enough executions from us to know that, like, are those real?
• 38:23
  SPEAKER_01: Like, if you gotta beat the Jews, that's the best way to do it.
• 38:25
  SPEAKER_01: You gotta torture them.
• 38:26
  SPEAKER_01: You you beat them for a few days.
• 38:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, anyone's gonna say anything to get out of the beatings and the torture, right?
• 38:32
  SPEAKER_01: So, so they they do all their work.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_01: Um, the beatings produced basically the evidence to say, okay, this is what happened.
• 38:40
  SPEAKER_01: And there was one lady who said she was there.
• 38:42
  SPEAKER_01: Her name is um Rossidi, I think is how you pronounce it, Rositi Sumera.
• 38:47
  SPEAKER_01: Um, and she admitted, and this is a quote from the Smithsonian magazine article, um, that says, We were eating the palms of the victim's hands as our favorite morsel.
• 38:58
  SPEAKER_01: So they were saying that like the the palms of your hands were the juiciest part of the body.
• 39:03
  SPEAKER_03: I didn't I don't see it.
• 39:05
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's not my that wouldn't that wouldn't be my first that doesn't look that appetizing choice.
• 39:11
  SPEAKER_01: I'd go for like a boob.
• 39:12
  SPEAKER_01: Some cumin.
• 39:13
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, a boob would be good, but she's also 12.
• 39:15
  SPEAKER_01: Oh a butt.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_01: But butt safe for everyone.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_01: Everyone who's ever been in a survival situation out in the wilderness where you're faced with like, do I eat my friends or not?
• 39:26
  SPEAKER_01: The buttons that's the way to go.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_03: I don't we didn't even talk about this.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_03: Um not to like interrupt your I don't want to interrupt the trial too much.
• 39:33
  SPEAKER_03: The palm talk.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_03: Palm talk, but uh I went to um the Museum of Cannibalism by totally I forgot about that.
• 39:42
  SPEAKER_01: Southern California?
• 39:43
  SPEAKER_01: We're San Diego.
• 39:44
  SPEAKER_03: Whoa.
• 39:45
  SPEAKER_03: It might still be there.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
• 39:46
  SPEAKER_03: It was it was in the Museum of Man, but it was like a like a traveling exhibit.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 39:54
  SPEAKER_03: I went by myself because no one would go with me.
• 39:57
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know why.
• 39:58
  SPEAKER_00: Sounds like me.
• 39:59
  SPEAKER_00: This was this was actually before we had a strong friendship and I was.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 40:12
  SPEAKER_03: One was the tribal like ritualistic purposes, um, old archaic tribes and different cultures where cannibalism in Africa and different parts of the world where that's just part of their culture.
• 40:29
  SPEAKER_03: Not maybe currently, but in the past, or like different islands and they would turn to cannibalism.
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 40:35
  SPEAKER_03: Second part was which was super creepy, was more like serial killer style, like just for fun, like Hannibal Lecter style.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_04: Oof.
• 40:41
  SPEAKER_03: And then the third part was more for yeah, more for the purpose of survival and different stories of people out on boats and the Donner Party and that kind of thing, and when you have to eat others for the sake of survival.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: So anyway, sorry, not to like segment too much from it, but it was still there, it was a super fascinating exhibit.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_00: Wow.
• 40:59
  SPEAKER_03: Um, but it made me kind of think of this just now about why they're like, I like that.
• 41:03
  SPEAKER_01: We're about to go to the Renfair in a couple weeks, so maybe they'll start a cannibalism segment.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_01: They do have the torture museum, so maybe they should they should really start a cannibal museum.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_03: I don't know how that's Renfair related, but we can make it work.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure there's some overlap there.
• 41:17
  SPEAKER_01: Basically, people that love blood and torture and execution.
• 41:21
  SPEAKER_01: Us, us, us, it's made for us.
• 41:23
  SPEAKER_01: The beheaded museum, really.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_01: Um anyway, so so yeah, so there's a lot of talk about the the palms and how those were, again, a very tasty morsel that people enjoyed.
• 41:33
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but when this woman, um Sumera, she was brought to trial, she had said something along the lines of like because she was the youngest prisoner, she was the youngest one who was interrogated.
• 41:44
  SPEAKER_01: Weak, weak woman.
• 41:47
  SPEAKER_01: She goes, Yes, I did confess what you assert, but remember how cruelly I was beaten before I said a word.
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: And I think that's really telling.
• 41:55
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, yeah, sure, anyone confesses anything.
• 41:58
  SPEAKER_01: Anyone elaborates all these stories, but what happened to them to confess all of these things?
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_01: So, in in so many words, I think she was saying, Yeah, like I said, yeah, we cut off the hands and we ate them and they were tasty, but like remember, I was tortured before you made me say that.
• 42:12
  SPEAKER_03: Do you think if she wasn't tortured, she wouldn't like I like I feel like the whole thing with the palms of the hands was just a farce of her being like, Oh yeah, of course, I'm such a hardcore cannibal.
• 42:24
  SPEAKER_03: My favorite part's the hand.
• 42:25
  SPEAKER_03: They were like, as a cannibal, what do you like to eat?
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_03: She's like, hands?
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_03: I feel like the palms are good, I guess.
• 42:32
  SPEAKER_03: If she was really being honest, I think she'd be something a little bit juicier.
• 42:35
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's kind of true.
• 42:37
  SPEAKER_01: So I think that's uh I'm not funny, but that's you know something she had said of like, okay, you know, you asked me, I told you.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_01: It was it was the palms that were the tastiest one gave us away.
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 42:49
  SPEAKER_01: Um, so the this trial continues.
• 42:51
  SPEAKER_01: And what's interesting about this trial is again, it's not just like a lot of uh the people in the Haitian elite that are here, it's it's a lot of foreign diplomats.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_01: It's Americans, it's Europeans that are all there for this trial, like weighing in.
• 43:06
  SPEAKER_01: And a lot of people think that, you know, because uh this this new president, uh Gaffron, Jaffron, whatever his name is, Jafar, Jafar was there.
• 43:17
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they they think, okay, he invited the clergy for a specific reason.
• 43:21
  SPEAKER_01: He invited these foreign diplomats for a specific reason.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: He's trying to, in front of the whole world stage, denounce Voodoo and say, hey, maybe my predecessor, you know, Emperor Faustine's soliloquy, maybe he was the one that endorsed this, but I am distancing myself from Voodoo.
• 43:40
  SPEAKER_01: I am saying that this is a terrible thing that we do.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_01: He even had a quote that said, um, and this was in 1863, the same year as this uh well, the trial again because it was New Year's, the trial was in 1864.
• 43:53
  SPEAKER_01: But in 1863 he said, let us rush to eliminate the last vestiges of barbarianism and slavery.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_01: Slavery, superstition, and shameful practices surrounding it from our land.
• 44:04
  SPEAKER_01: So he he was very intent on making sure that this was stuffed, that this had no room in his modern government or modern society.
• 44:12
  SPEAKER_01: Um so so he came through and again invited all of these people to to look and witness we do not like associate ourselves with this.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_01: And he called upon, again, as meant as Bacon said, Spencer St.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_01: John, who was a British diplomat, and g he was like St.
• 44:30
  SPEAKER_01: John was the one to give the graphic detail of the cannibalism.
• 44:33
  SPEAKER_01: He sat in front of the whole you know jury and and um and and governing body to say, okay, Clara Seen, this young 12-year-old girl, she was filleted, her hands were savored.
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_01: He went into graphic detail.
• 44:46
  SPEAKER_01: Fillet or fillet?
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: Flayed?
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_01: Did I say fillet?
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: Both.
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_01: Both.
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_01: You can fillet her and flay her.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_01: But you know, it's just it's like all the bloody accounts of her, you know, her murder were were through him.
• 45:00
  SPEAKER_01: And it's like, who was actually there?
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: What evidence do you have?
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_01: And apparently the only real evidence that was there was apparently two like white men, two like Westerners that were there, allegedly got into voodoo costumes and like snuck around into the ceremonies, like wearing blackface, and would report back and say, guess what they're doing?
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_01: Look at all these like crazy rituals and they're sacrificing children and blah blah blah.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, did that actually happen?
• 45:27
  SPEAKER_01: Like, who knows?
• 45:28
  SPEAKER_01: That's the only evidence they had was like kind of faulty mismatched accounts by some people that said they snuck into these rituals.
• 45:35
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but again, it would there was enough dignitaries there and and foreign um uh foreign diplomats and and press.
• 45:42
  SPEAKER_01: Press were there too to kind of like you know comment on this event.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: So everyone was pressured to be like, you know what?
• 45:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yes, this is now here and when we denounce voodoo.
• 45:52
  SPEAKER_01: We can't like practice this anymore.
• 45:55
  SPEAKER_03: There were two official witnesses though, a young woman and a child.
• 45:59
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 46:00
  SPEAKER_03: Supposedly, these two people were hiding underneath another altar, I guess, in the temple.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: I think so.
• 46:08
  SPEAKER_01: It said they were looking through like a adjoining room with like small opening things.
• 46:13
  SPEAKER_01: Through the cracks.
• 46:14
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 46:15
  SPEAKER_03: And it was a little bit like the Smithsonian article that we were reading together.
• 46:20
  SPEAKER_03: I got a little bit confused because at one point it sounded like they were hiding and they were there on their own free will.
• 46:26
  SPEAKER_03: But then they it kind of got into how the child was intended to be a second victim.
• 46:31
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_03: And they found her also tied under a similar altar that the first girl was under, and they were intending to sacrifice her on January 5th, which is like a big voodoo holiday.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: Right.
• 46:43
  SPEAKER_01: It's called the 12th night, which is a very specific voodoo holiday.
• 46:47
  SPEAKER_03: They tried to interrogate her in court to figure out what she saw, but she was so shaken up and so nervous that they had to remove her.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_03: So the jury didn't actually get to ask her all the questions.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_03: They did interrogate the other woman, young woman is all that they said was the other person who was there.
• 47:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um she confirmed that there was a feast of the of Clarie.
• 47:08
  SPEAKER_03: What's her name?
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_03: Claire Clare Claire.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_03: Claire Scene.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_03: I I think I keep saying Clarice because of the left her Clarice.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 47:17
  SPEAKER_01: We can call her that, but I think it's Claire Cine is her name.
• 47:20
  SPEAKER_01: I don't want to don't I don't I don't want to do her injustice by changing her name.
• 47:24
  SPEAKER_01: Well, we're not good at names anyway.
• 47:25
  SPEAKER_01: We think we do everyone an injustice.
• 47:29
  SPEAKER_03: She she um also confessed to eating some of the leftovers the next morning.
• 47:34
  SPEAKER_03: So it's kind of like really no one's innocent here.
• 47:36
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 47:37
  SPEAKER_03: Um, so much so that one of the public prosecutors says if full justice were to be served, there would be 50 people instead of eight people on the stand.
• 47:45
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 47:46
  SPEAKER_03: Like all the people that were involved.
• 47:47
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, he's just saying it's really this whole community is a part of it in some way.
• 47:51
  SPEAKER_03: And it was obviously family members and friends who were getting involved into this.
• 47:56
  SPEAKER_03: So these were just the eight people who got caught actually physically murdering her and doing it.
• 48:02
  SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
• 48:03
  SPEAKER_01: And and when we were researching this too, like we found some really interesting uh article that said basically, like the voodoo sect, like their religion, specifies that you have to do these things as part of the religion.
• 48:17
  SPEAKER_01: So, again, what we're gonna say, take it with a grain of salt because it is not written by someone who practices voodoo, it's written by someone who's basically a like a voodoo's an abomination.
• 48:28
  SPEAKER_03: Also written in the 1860s.
• 48:30
  SPEAKER_03: In the 1860s, okay.
• 48:31
  SPEAKER_03: This isn't like a new thing that's posted on voodoo.com.
• 48:34
  SPEAKER_01: This is not this is not endorsed by people that voodoo.org.
• 48:38
  SPEAKER_01: But but they they are saying that this is part of the law of the adder or serpent, or basically the religion of emperor soliloquy, which we talked about.
• 48:47
  SPEAKER_01: This is what they believe.
• 48:48
  SPEAKER_01: And so it's kind of written in commandment form.
• 48:51
  SPEAKER_01: So it number one is thou shalt adore the serpent, what they which is what they say is one of the main voodoo gods, is like this serpent god that you're supposed to obey.
• 49:01
  SPEAKER_01: Voldemort.
• 49:02
  SPEAKER_01: Voldemort.
• 49:03
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, this is this is where Harry Potter came from.
• 49:06
  SPEAKER_01: Number two, thou shalt blindly obey the orders which it, which is the serpent, shall give thee by the mouth of the Papaloi, his high priest.
• 49:15
  SPEAKER_01: So Papaloi is the father, the high priest.
• 49:18
  SPEAKER_01: Number three, thou shalt not approach it with empty hands, so that it meant uh that it may grant thee what thou desires.
• 49:25
  SPEAKER_01: Basically saying that you have to sacrifice something to get what you want or deserve.
• 49:30
  SPEAKER_01: Number four, thou shalt never betray the secret of the mysteries.
• 49:34
  SPEAKER_01: That's ominous.
• 49:36
  SPEAKER_01: Number five, commentary on each of these.
• 49:40
  SPEAKER_01: Ominous.
• 49:41
  SPEAKER_01: Thou shalt dance in a state of intoxication round the holy ark of the serpent, which they talk a lot about, you know, being possessed by the by the spirit, like to the point where it's only your raw spirit that's dancing kind of thing.
• 49:55
  SPEAKER_01: Number six, thou shalt sacrifice this um to the serpent, she goats fowls, and if possible, children.
• 50:03
  SPEAKER_01: Which I think that's interesting that they add that.
• 50:04
  SPEAKER_01: So like a weird little addition.
• 50:06
  SPEAKER_01: Like that's very specific.
• 50:07
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like you wouldn't write that if you were a voodoo practitioner.
• 50:10
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like you'd write that if you're children.
• 50:12
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, a person trying to keep these people, like, oh, and look at their commandments.
• 50:16
  SPEAKER_01: It says children.
• 50:19
  SPEAKER_01: I'll take thee away.
• 50:22
  SPEAKER_01: And then number seven, thou shalt drink the blood and eat the flesh of the victim.
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: What?
• 50:28
  SPEAKER_01: So these are all in exact alignment with what they are like.
• 50:31
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, you see, you see the children, you see the drinking of the blood, blah, blah, blah.
• 50:36
  SPEAKER_01: So whether or not this voodoo sect is correct, whether if this is a real published work of what they're supposed to adhere to, this is what was published in the 1860s.
• 50:47
  SPEAKER_01: They sent this around a pamphlet saying, beware of those people that are practicing voodoo.
• 50:51
  SPEAKER_01: This is what they believe.
• 50:52
  SPEAKER_01: They they worship the serpent and they sacrifice children.
• 50:56
  SPEAKER_01: Terrible.
• 50:57
  SPEAKER_03: Terrible.
• 50:58
  SPEAKER_03: Terrible.
• 50:59
  SPEAKER_03: Huge shocker.
• 51:00
  SPEAKER_03: All eight people were convicted guilty.
• 51:02
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 51:04
  SPEAKER_03: No.
• 51:06
  SPEAKER_03: Um they were executed on, as we mentioned, February 13th, 1864.
• 51:14
  SPEAKER_03: This is how they were executed.
• 51:16
  SPEAKER_03: There's eight of them.
• 51:17
  SPEAKER_03: They're tied into pairs.
• 51:18
  SPEAKER_03: So everyone gets a buddy.
• 51:20
  SPEAKER_03: Tie them up.
• 51:21
  SPEAKER_03: There's four sets.
• 51:23
  SPEAKER_00: Executed with me if we had to.
• 51:27
  SPEAKER_01: Come on.
• 51:29
  SPEAKER_01: Execution buddy.
• 51:31
  SPEAKER_01: I tell you jokes until the end.
• 51:34
  SPEAKER_03: We would just drive the executioner crazy.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_03: Like, just fucking go.
• 51:37
  SPEAKER_03: We don't even want your ears.
• 51:39
  SPEAKER_03: Just go.
• 51:40
  SPEAKER_03: No, we're serious.
• 51:41
  SPEAKER_03: Hold on.
• 51:42
  SPEAKER_03: This is the execution part.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_03: Sorry.
• 51:43
  SPEAKER_03: That's what the whole episode is about.
• 51:45
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 51:46
  SPEAKER_03: So they were um death by firing squad in pairs.
• 51:50
  SPEAKER_03: Here's a description from our buddy St.
• 51:53
  SPEAKER_03: John about how they were actually executed.
• 51:55
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 51:56
  SPEAKER_03: The prisoners tied in pairs were placed in a line and forced by five soldiers to each pair.
• 52:03
  SPEAKER_03: They fired with such inaccuracy that only six fell wounded on the first discharge.
• 52:09
  SPEAKER_03: Jeez.
• 52:10
  SPEAKER_03: Six out of eight fell just wounded.
• 52:13
  SPEAKER_01: Reminds me of the Romanoths.
• 52:14
  SPEAKER_01: They had five on two.
• 52:15
  SPEAKER_01: How do you miss?
• 52:17
  SPEAKER_01: Like the Romanoths.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 52:18
  SPEAKER_01: They just go for it.
• 52:21
  SPEAKER_03: It took these untrained men fully half an hour to complete their work.
• 52:26
  SPEAKER_03: The horror at the prisoners' crimes was almost turned into pity at witnessing their unnecessary sufferings.
• 52:32
  SPEAKER_03: They were seen beckoning the soldiers to approach, and Rosaday, the one, the girl who called them all out, um, held the muzzle of a musket to her bosom and called on the man to fire.
• 52:45
  SPEAKER_03: That's brutal.
• 52:46
  SPEAKER_03: She's like, just do it.
• 52:47
  SPEAKER_03: What's wrong with you?
• 52:48
  SPEAKER_03: So we're thinking they're this 1860s, they have to actually reload their rifle.
• 52:53
  SPEAKER_03: Like a pack it.
• 52:54
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 52:55
  SPEAKER_03: They have to pack it with the gunpowder.
• 52:57
  SPEAKER_03: And they were all not trained.
• 52:58
  SPEAKER_03: So they're they don't know what they're doing.
• 53:00
  SPEAKER_03: So they do a first round.
• 53:02
  SPEAKER_03: Six of them, it doesn't even say six of the eight actually die.
• 53:05
  SPEAKER_03: It just says that six fall.
• 53:07
  SPEAKER_03: So there's two who are wounded.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
• 53:09
  SPEAKER_03: There's two who are still standing.
• 53:11
  SPEAKER_03: Love me, you and me.
• 53:13
  SPEAKER_03: I'm down on the ground and Elizabeth's trying to hold me.
• 53:15
  SPEAKER_01: I'm like, it's gonna be like the Pirates of the Execution, like, you know, or Pirates of the Caribbean execution where they have the guillotine and he's going around like trying to avoid the guillotine.
• 53:26
  SPEAKER_01: Just debotched execution.
• 53:29
  SPEAKER_03: And then it's another 30 minutes before they can actually complete it, which is that's 30.
• 53:35
  SPEAKER_03: And they're saying people like were really disturbed and disgusted about their crimes in court, but at this point they just felt pity for that.
• 53:41
  SPEAKER_01: Of course, yeah.
• 53:42
  SPEAKER_01: It's like, and that's how bad it was.
• 53:44
  SPEAKER_01: Like you want this person to die because you, as a maybe elite Haitian who believes in you know the Catholic religion sees these so-called pagans, and you're like, Yeah, like that I can't believe they would sacrifice a young girl and do all these atrocities.
• 53:57
  SPEAKER_01: And then you're to the point where you're like, oh my god, like these four people are miserable.
• 54:01
  SPEAKER_03: Like, just yeah, like just finish it.
• 54:03
  SPEAKER_03: Um really the only aftermath we have about this trial is they redrafted what was called the code penal, yeah, which is actually, I think, still a thing.
• 54:12
  SPEAKER_03: It's like a French code of rules, laws, and formal things.
• 54:20
  SPEAKER_03: Um, they they redrafted it to include in there that there would be fines for sorcery, you know, taking it back like 300 years.
• 54:28
  SPEAKER_03: Um and also public nudity, which is kind of associated with voodoo, I guess.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 54:33
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, they like to show their body parts sometimes.
• 54:35
  SPEAKER_01: One of their gods that they worshipped was like god of sexuality, so it was very much a yeah, like a publicly nude thing, I think.
• 54:44
  SPEAKER_03: Anyways, um, that's our voodoo execution story.
• 54:49
  SPEAKER_03: It is.
• 54:50
  SPEAKER_03: Well, I was gonna ask you because you've been to New Orleans, yeah.
• 54:53
  SPEAKER_03: It's been a while.
• 54:54
  SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, it's been almost 10 years now that I think about it.
• 54:57
  SPEAKER_03: It was like eight years ago.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_03: Okay.
• 54:59
  SPEAKER_03: So what year was that?
• 55:01
  SPEAKER_01: 2014.
• 55:02
  SPEAKER_01: Okay, that's not that far away.
• 55:04
  SPEAKER_01: I went in college in 2010 for Mardi Gras, my senior year.
• 55:08
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, I was really sooner.
• 55:09
  SPEAKER_01: Really fun time.
• 55:10
  SPEAKER_01: But I went back for my marathon.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: I did it.
• 55:12
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, that's right.
• 55:13
  SPEAKER_01: Right before COVID hit.
• 55:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, it was literally 2020.
• 55:16
  SPEAKER_01: February 2020.
• 55:17
  SPEAKER_01: February 2020.
• 55:18
  SPEAKER_01: And like the parades were just starting.
• 55:19
  SPEAKER_01: It was like the first week of the parades for Mardi Gras.
• 55:22
  SPEAKER_03: And I remember you were nervous.
• 55:23
  SPEAKER_03: You're like, Do you think I got this coronavirus thing?
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_03: Remember?
• 55:26
  SPEAKER_01: No, I remember that Jake, like your husband, was driving us to the airport, like me and Robbie, and like we were in the car, and he was like, So, are you guys nervous about that like coronavirus?
• 55:37
  SPEAKER_01: Have you guys heard of this virus that's going wrong?
• 55:39
  SPEAKER_01: We're like, uh, we're just gonna go, we're gonna have fun in New Orleans, we're gonna like you know, have some flu.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_01: Go to bars.
• 55:45
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we were like, it's a flu.
• 55:46
  SPEAKER_01: That was before we all knew what was actually happening.
• 55:48
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we're like, we're not worried.
• 55:50
  SPEAKER_01: And I remember Jake was like, okay, but you're running a race, and it's supposed to like transfer to other people via like droplets.
• 55:57
  SPEAKER_01: So people are like sweating and spitting on you.
• 55:59
  SPEAKER_01: Like, is this my husband's the one?
• 56:02
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, I remember me and Robbie were like, okay, like maybe.
• 56:06
  SPEAKER_01: I mean, and honestly, we did get violently sick that trip.
• 56:09
  SPEAKER_00: So maybe, maybe he was right.
• 56:12
  SPEAKER_02: But I love New Orleans.
• 56:14
  SPEAKER_02: Did you go into a voodoo shop?
• 56:16
  SPEAKER_02: We did.
• 56:17
  SPEAKER_02: So there's a lot of them.
• 56:19
  SPEAKER_01: There's a lot, I think there's one.
• 56:21
  SPEAKER_01: And again, I mean, I'm sure the one we went to is very touristy.
• 56:24
  SPEAKER_01: I'm sure it's not like a tip, you know, like a cool hidden.
• 56:28
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, if it's off Bourbon Street, like I don't know, but I'm legitimate stuff.
• 56:31
  SPEAKER_01: Pretty sure it was on Bourbon Street, and it was like when you walk in, there's like crocodile heads, yeah, you know, which is really cool.
• 56:37
  SPEAKER_01: Like I love the South, and like I've only been to a few southern states and like experienced this, but like seeing all the cool like crocodile heads and and there's reptiles.
• 56:47
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, like all these like like preserved reptiles, like small crocodiles, daring.
• 56:52
  SPEAKER_03: But they sell different um like it's kind of like an apothecary.
• 56:56
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, they sell like candles and crystals and well, maybe I'm wrong with crystals.
• 57:00
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know if crystals are a part of it, but voodoo they they sell dolls, they sell can't or uh yeah, candles.
• 57:07
  SPEAKER_01: So like when we're talking about like Marie Laveau, like Marie Laveau is like one of those people that mixed like Catholicism with the occult, like voodoo, you know, with Christianity.
• 57:18
  SPEAKER_01: Like that kind of stuff is interesting to me because I'm just like I was raised Catholic, but I've always like obviously been weirdly like interested in this stuff.
• 57:24
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm very intriguing.
• 57:25
  SPEAKER_01: So it's yeah, to me, it's just like, oh, I feel like very I don't know, like there's something mystical and like you know, sacred about all of this, and I and I'm very curious to learn more, and I hope to learn more.
• 57:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um anyway, but that's just how I interpreted it.
• 57:38
  SPEAKER_01: I I know for you it was fascinating, but but your husband's a little more like no no, yeah, we can't go like we can't go here.
• 57:46
  SPEAKER_03: Jake gets like that, I know, because he actually believes in it.
• 57:49
  SPEAKER_03: It's not like same with like ghosts, um, like ghost tours or haunting anything really, like kind of of the mystical, but also the creepy and the it's and he never says, like, no, I don't want to be involved because he thinks it's a joke.
• 58:04
  SPEAKER_03: He's like, no, I know this is real and I don't want to get involved.
• 58:07
  SPEAKER_03: So he's not like he refused to walk into any of the voodoo stores, but I went in just to like peek around, and then I was like, I'm just browsing things.
• 58:15
  SPEAKER_00: I don't want anything, I just want to look just looking.
• 58:18
  SPEAKER_01: Just I don't know what I'm here for.
• 58:19
  SPEAKER_01: Just browsing.
• 58:20
  SPEAKER_01: Well, same thing with like Renfare too, because like we've always talked about like, ooh, like there's tarot cart reading.
• 58:24
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but if you won't talk to a psychic.
• 58:26
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, and we've never done that yet, you know.
• 58:28
  SPEAKER_01: But yeah, it's one of those things, and like I guess because we're both raised in like, you know, certain ways, Christianity's like as a Catholic, I'm just like, ah, like I'm very curious.
• 58:38
  SPEAKER_01: I'm very curious.
• 58:39
  SPEAKER_01: Oh, the curiosity gets me too.
• 58:41
  SPEAKER_01: No, and it's like maybe, maybe one day I will, just because it'll get the better of me.
• 58:44
  SPEAKER_01: But I was always raised to be like, don't, you know, don't go, don't buy it.
• 58:48
  SPEAKER_01: Do not seek other soothsayers.
• 58:51
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but I am.
• 58:52
  SPEAKER_01: I just like again, maybe if I just don't take it serious and I just like experience it as a learning kind of tool.
• 58:57
  SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
• 58:58
  SPEAKER_03: It never hurts to, I think, expand and to learn for the sake, like how if you don't expose yourself to other cultures, right?
• 59:06
  SPEAKER_03: You don't want to be naive and ignorant either.
• 59:08
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 59:09
  SPEAKER_03: And it truly is.
• 59:10
  SPEAKER_03: These are cultures and beliefs, and that's why we wanted to go about this gracefully of talking about voodoo, because I know people do practice voodoo to this day.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_03: It is a religion.
• 59:18
  SPEAKER_03: It's still like prevalent.
• 59:19
  SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I don't want this episode to be like, oh, all voodooists are a cannibal child eating, blood sucking.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_03: Right.
• 59:26
  SPEAKER_03: This was one account.
• 59:27
  SPEAKER_03: Um but it ended up with eight people being executed, so it's still interesting.
• 59:32
  SPEAKER_01: But uh, but yeah, so it is interesting that there's not a lot of like information on this because there's not two sides.
• 59:38
  SPEAKER_01: There's just kind of the one side, the Western history side.
• 59:41
  SPEAKER_01: Um, but that's what's great about history, is every decade, every 20 years, every 30 years, every 40 years, history is retold from different perspectives.
• 59:49
  SPEAKER_01: And I've said this on previous episodes, but it's like people always think, why would I write this novel or research this specific subject because everyone already knows everything about it?
• 59:58
  SPEAKER_01: Like everyone knows about, you know, British tutor history, everyone knows about voodoo, like, you know, a cult in West Africa.
• 1:00:07
  SPEAKER_01: But it's like, but do we like every few years you need to resurface things because new evidence comes to light, there are new perspectives, there are new people researching these things.
• 1:00:16
  SPEAKER_01: So like don't ever think that just because you're interested in a certain thing and it's been researched, that that research is dead.
• 1:00:23
  SPEAKER_01: Research is never dead, like it always has to be revived.
• 1:00:26
  SPEAKER_01: And if you think about it from your perspective, you walk into a library, you see two books, one's on Anne Boleyn from 1975, and one's on Anne Boleyn from 2019.
• 1:00:37
  SPEAKER_01: You're most likely gonna do the the the latest one because you're like, I want the most up-to-date information.
• 1:00:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 1:00:43
  SPEAKER_01: So, you know, don't don't disregard current histories or things that are rewritten because that that matters.
• 1:00:48
  SPEAKER_01: Like, people pay attention to things that are recent.
• 1:00:51
  SPEAKER_01: That's my soapbox.
• 1:00:52
  SPEAKER_03: Damn.
• 1:00:53
  SPEAKER_03: I wasn't gonna ask any final words, but I feel like I had a lot of final words.
• 1:00:57
  SPEAKER_01: I'm just saying, like, because that that for me at least, like I was a history major in college, so and I remember like looking at all these different things, like, oh, this has already been done, like, I'm not gonna do that because some the everything I was is gonna say has already been said, but that's not true.
• 1:01:12
  SPEAKER_01: So that's all I have to say.
• 1:01:14
  SPEAKER_01: I ain't gonna ask you if you got final words.
• 1:01:15
  SPEAKER_01: You said your final words.
• 1:01:17
  SPEAKER_01: If you're passionate about it, you go for it.
• 1:01:19
  SPEAKER_01: You keep researching, and there are always new perspectives to be had.
• 1:01:22
  SPEAKER_01: And those are my final words, Megan.
• 1:01:26
  SPEAKER_00: I got who, I got who, I got big time even trying.
• 1:01:30
  SPEAKER_02: I got friends on the other side.
• 1:01:33
  SPEAKER_00: He's got friends on the other side.