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Top 10 NHL Offseason Trades (Part 2) - Fantasy Hockey Podcast · Banger Management - Fantasy Hockey Podcast

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  today. Part 2 of the top 10.
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  So OK today, Part 2 of the top 10 trades from the offseason.
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  All right, Josh, start us off with Part 2 of the top 10
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  trades. Off If you haven't listened to
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  Part 1, go listen to that first and then come listen to this.
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  Yeah, exactly. But it's not good for Part B.
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  Wait, Harde. The goal of the part and.
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  This happened last time we recorded.
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  We should, we should, we should title the episode Part A and
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  Part B. Yeah, yeah, literally.
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  Alright, this is gonna be a fun episode for Habs fans like us.
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  So, diving into the first of the second-half of the top ten,
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  we've got Montreal Canadiens acquire Noah Dobson from the
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  Islanders for #16 and 17 in the 25 draft, and Emil Heineman.
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  Let's go. Huge.
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  Amazing. I love.
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  It yeah, this is me too. Real life, real life wise, this
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  is so hyper the Habs. I love him and I thought he was
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  a great role player, but we essentially and like obviously
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  two first round picks is something in the future, but in
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  terms of our team this year versus last year, this trade
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  just added us an essential top one defenseman for free, right.
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  If we're looking at just just last year's team versus this
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  year's coming team, that's pretty much what we did so it's.
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  Pretty exciting for the Habs. NHL like hopes it's let's go.
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  This is my this is my reaction for the fantasy.
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  Oh no. Yeah, exactly.
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  So alright, let's talk about it specifically.
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  First, we'll talk about the main piece of the trade, which is
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  Dobson. So in my opinion, I think this
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  is pretty brutal for his fantasy value.
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  Last year he had a rough year in New York.
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  He actually lost power play onto Tony D'Angelo, and then they
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  resigned D'Angelo to another deal.
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  But honestly, like I wasn't worried.
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  Like if you stayed on the Islanders, I thought he was
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  going to bounce back and take that power play swap.
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  Like I wasn't too worried about like D'Angelo was clearly like a
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  stopgap. Like if they had kept him, it
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  clearly was like Dobsons our future.
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  You know, they would have resigned him to a big thing in
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  this offseason. And I thought he would bounce
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  back. But now coming to the Habs,
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  there's zero chance he's getting power play one because we have
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  the goat lane Hudson, you know, so there's no power play one for
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  him. So that's a massive loss.
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  He's like a guy who like contributes a bit in bangers,
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  but like that was always a bonus to his great point season.
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  But once he if he doesn't have the point, he's not really worth
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  having on your team, in my opinion.
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  I'd say his one kind of hope is the Habs have never really split
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  their P time in the past. It's always been power play 1 is
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  the main one and then sometimes power play 2 comes out like a
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  like most teams that have a single power play, that's their
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  main one. But with this trade and another
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  trade we're gonna talk about later in this episode, I think
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  we have a pretty solid power play too squad.
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  So they might even out the time a bit more.
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  And that would be his only hope for value in my opinion.
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  I feel like we can expect a kind of like what Matheson was giving
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  us from P2 last year. Like the points are
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  inconsistent. It's probably like around like
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  .55 point 6. He'll probably be pretty decent
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  for for blocks I like, but I wouldn't he's not like elite at
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  it either. So I feel like All in all
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  definitely like really impacts his fantasy value without the P1
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  time. But honestly for the Habs, I
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  like it because you know, if Hudson goes down, we have
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  another guy can step in right away, which is always nice to
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  have. We've seen other teams, you
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  know, when the P defenseman goes down, they're struggling to find
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  somebody else. I can run the power play.
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  So that's really good and I just feel like it makes us so much
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  better. And I, I just think Dobson is a
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  really good right-handed defenseman.
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  And I, I don't think we would split the PB time into to be
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  honest, like I don't, I don't see that for us in our future.
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  Let's say so. Power Play 1.
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  Year maybe 2 gets better. Yeah, that is like the power
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  play one is gonna be Suzuki Caulfield slash Hudson and then
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  I don't know if you guys think Demidoff taking lining spot
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  you're flying jobs. I think so.
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  It'll be one of them too, so that'll be the top one.
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  And that leaves for number 2. I think they'll go to Defence
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  Minute and do Dobson Matheson. Um, it'll be lining slash
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  Demidov, whichever ones not on power play one new hook and I
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  think it's gonna be Bolduc. We're gonna discuss later in
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  this episode and that's a pretty solid power play unit.
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  So actually, if they do well, like I could see them going.
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  I don't think it's gonna be a full split ever, but I could see
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  it getting closer to like a 6040, you know, like I don't.
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  Know because The thing is we don't.
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  I think the power plays get split time with it depends who's
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  starting on the ice because whatever happens is usually you
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  send the first unit out and then whenever the puck leaves the
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  zone after a minute has passed, they they swapped the units
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  usually, right? Yeah.
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  So the only way that the power play time really gets split is
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  if they're sending the second unit out first, which I can
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  never see happening unless like the whole first unit was on the
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  ice right before, you know what I mean?
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  Yeah, but I still like it for in terms of a P2, I think it's
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  probably one of the better ones around the league.
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  Like stop in my head, I can't think of any situation that's
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  like off the bat already better than this, besides teams that
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  are like splitting they're they're people units into.
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  But other than that, All in all, Dobson doesn't have much value
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  because it's AP 2. Overdrafted this year in
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  fantasy. I think his ADP tanks, but I
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  don't think tanks enough to wear to match what I think is output
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  is going to be. This with the full of Habs fans.
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  We just sit and watch someone else taking way too highly
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  right. Yeah.
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  I mean you're gonna draft him like 3 rounds ahead of ADP
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  because you're right. Zero chance.
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  Is there like a world where people start under drafting
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  Hudson because of? This no, no.
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  I don't think so. You just want the Calder.
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  Like, there's just no chance. Like, if it was like Superstar,
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  yeah, if you didn't have as much of an unreal season as last
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  year, then I can see your argument.
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  And also if Dobson had a better year last year than he did, I
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  could see it. But the way things stand,
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  there's just no question that Hudson is power play.
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  Because I I see Dobson kind of like a Morgan Riley, like he's
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  he's has a lot of fantasy value because he has the P1 exposure,
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  but he's not the best when he's not getting power play things.
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  But we've seen like him also have games where like, you know,
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  he shoots a bunch or he gets like A5 block game and you're
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  like, wow. But obviously not something you
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  can rely on. Not consistent.
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  Yeah, in fantasy power play, 1 defenseman are our king.
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  And if you're not, if you don't have one of those spots, then
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  you're valuing is extremely diminished.
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  Yeah, exactly. You got to be a banger.
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  So yeah, maybe he might like. I like what you mentioned with
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  the blocks. I feel like Savard was a crazy
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  block guy and he retired now. So the Habs, you know, they are
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  just the way they're built. They take a lot of shots
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  against. So, you know, a defenseman will
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  get more blocks. I wonder if you think this has a
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  positive impact on, you know, just in general, let's say like
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  our top. Forward.
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  To having another offensive defenseman, like even strength
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  wise, yeah um, just help them. Out more breakdowns benefit the
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  benefit. The 5V5 numbers probably get
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  significantly better because we have better players on the ice
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  to feed our good players. Yeah, exactly.
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  You know, I really think this boosts the most is Montalbo.
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  Yeah. Like I actually like I saw like
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  a thing that he was one of the best goalies in goals saved
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  above expected this year. And like, you're now adding an
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  elite IRL defensemen and getting like Hudson and Julie, who are
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  just older and better and carry a full year, you know, like.
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  Matheson's. This is Matheson.
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  Still really solid decor like balance of everything.
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  I think Montana boat should be rostered, drafted everywhere in
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  every league for sure and like he could he could be like the
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  best 0G strategy for this year. Like truthfully, if you decide.
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  It's so fun. Yeah, like if you get them like
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  outside of the top 12 rounds and you're like picking forwards or
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  defensemen in your first 12, like I think I'd be really happy
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  with him being my #1 goalie. Like I seriously think the hubs
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  are going to be amazing. And you're right, we will
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  probably have a lot of shots on us just because we are still
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  youngish team, but and just the fact that you can like minimize
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  the quality, like you have better quality shots on you,
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  like it'll be easier for him to save it.
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  That's what I mean. So I think that there's gonna be
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  huge for him. And you're right, though, I
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  agree with everything you guys are saying with regards to
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  Dobson's value not being nearly what it was on the Islanders.
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  Not that there's really much going on there either right now
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  because the guys, they are rookies.
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  But I guess we could just say that D'Angelo is now pretty much
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  stapled on that Power Player 1. And is there any chance that
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  Schaefer just jumps in right off the bat?
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  There's a chance I think though. Yeah, I know.
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  I actually cause D'Angelo is like a specialist.
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  It's not as if he's like a good defenseman or.
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  No, he's good at scoring on his own net though.
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  Excells at that actually. Yeah, but I don't know, I'm not
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  as big of a of a fan of of, you know, like them taking him off
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  that like, I don't think it's gonna work.
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  But regardless, I don't know. I mean, you're right.
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  This is gonna be a very interesting year.
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  I wouldn't drive Dobson either, so.
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  Would you drive Dobson ahead of the Angelo?
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  Yes, I wouldn't. Really.
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  I just think that Dobson's not gonna get like, he's not someone
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  I want on my team, you know? Like he's not gonna get you the.
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  He's gonna do like a bit of every. 3 Kevin.
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  Great at it with D'Angelo. For ones.
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  One either on my team. OK, Dobson or Devante caves.
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  Dobson Oh OK it's the same thing though.
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  Like I saw someone compare they were like Dobson is going to be
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  Hudsons Devante caves to. The car, yeah.
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  You know we gotta move on to the next OK acquisition.
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  Montalbo, or. No, no, we have to step to the
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  dolphins and that's my rule. No, no, we'll just one for month
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  to month. Fine.
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  One table or the second guy from the Leafs tandem?
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  Mondomo. Wonderful, yeah.
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  Yeah, I would say numbers. I actually think that's a good
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  blanket statement that I would rather Montalbo over any tandem
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  goalie this year. But the the least time is
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  special because they're supposed to be technically better.
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  Actually, I think they'll Marner loss is a big one, but let's not
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  dive into all that, you know, that's a whole other bucket of
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  kind of worms or whatever. But I agree with Jake, I would
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  take Montano. Yeah, I really think it's gonna
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  boost his value tremendously. Yeah.
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  And actually or while we're folk.
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  What do you do are. You going?
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  That was my. Third one, we have gone so far.
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  What lost? Every day we stray further away
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  from the. Light.
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  Exactly. I guess.
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  I guess this does hurt Sorokin's value a bit too.
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  Yes. That's one other thing to
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  mention because he is like, look like defensemen are not as
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  relevant for fantasy as forwards is not as cut and dry.
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  Of course, Power Player 1, as we've spoken about, is one
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  thing, but the way that they do have the secondary implications
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  like Islanders are gonna be worse and.
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  It's gonna be 1 of the worst teams.
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  Yeah. Yeah, Yeah, it is true.
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  Yeah. OK, let's move on to the second.
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  Trade right? This is not that fantasy
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  relevant but it's so crazy I had.
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  To It's like a finally moment, but like where you could have
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  happened, yeah. Detroit Red Wings acquire John
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  Gibson from the Anaheim Ducks for Peter Mrazik, a fourth round
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  pick and a second round pick. I'm so glad I've been holding
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  all my John Gibson years. Given the notches finally over,
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  it's been like 5 years of him being guaranteed traded at the
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  deadline. Yeah, this is this is how it
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  ends up. The biggest thing that this
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  tells me is just Dust style is gonna be like a great pick for
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  fantasy next year. I think he's gonna be one of
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  those like, you know. He's one of my 0D targets.
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  Yeah, exactly. I feel he'll be drafted as like
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  the goalie #20 or 25, and he'll be better than his draft value
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  because those goalies always end up being better than the draft
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  value. Yeah.
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  You know, we mentioned, we mentioned in part A of this how
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  exactly how the Ducks were kind of like the Habs, but one year
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  removed and I could see Dostal getting the year that Montano
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  just had. Yeah, exactly.
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  Yeah. Yeah, I think he's gonna be
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  good, but. And he just got like, which is
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  like, yeah. I was gonna say that that's the
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  reason why I'm certain that he's gonna just, I'm not that
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  moralistic, some great goalie or anything, but he's been a pretty
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  solid one being his career or 1A.
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  But I do think it's like there's gonna be a clear one and two
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  with the small. And yeah, he got just signed to
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  a 5 * 6.5 mil contract and as I always say follow the money
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  pointing that for this new. Season followed the moolah.
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  So do we think that Gibson's gonna be the for sure #1?
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  Here, yes, I think his only competition is gonna be good old
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  Cam Talbot. Is it gonna be good, though,
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  Gibson? I don't know.
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  I don't. I like Detroit.
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  I like Detroit, decent enough team like like they're.
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  Probably middle of the back, yeah, I think taking steps
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  backwards. I don't think their rebuild is
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  going properly. Or no, I think they messed up.
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  I think, yeah, I don't think they're being the GM's doing a
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  very good job. And I just think if you look at
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  their division, like who's who are they better than in the
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  division? Like, there's no way they're not
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  better than Florida, Tampa, Toronto, Habs, right?
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  Ottawa, Ottawa. It's yeah, exactly.
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  And if you're in the same conversation as Buffalo, then
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  you know that's not a team interested in.
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  Yeah, but I think better than Boston.
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  That's what I was gonna say. Like who would you rather?
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  Swim. Yeah, but that's not that's not
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  a high statement either. And I'm definitely betting on
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  boss and having a bounce back this year as opposed to 30.
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  I don't know how old Gibson is now, but leading the Detroit Red
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  Wings to the playoffs? I think, look, Gibson's gonna be
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  one of those volume starters on a bad team.
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  So if you need if you need that. Like it's gonna be what Tom
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  Talbot or or Marzik was this last year.
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  Yes, exactly, except with less like splitting starts.
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  I think he'll get a higher share of the.
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  Start if you guys. Yeah, that's true.
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  He is a bit injury prone and he needs to play well enough.
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  Like they do wanna make the playoffs.
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  They're not going to, but they're trying to, so they're
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  gonna go over playing better. I put them in that boat where
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  it's like the goal is gonna get like 30 saves but let in five
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  goals and that's what's going to be like in a saves league.
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  I guess that's that can be more valuable than other leagues, but
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  he'll just tanker save percentage is my my opinion.
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  Yeah. So my take away from this is
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  pretty much the biggest thing is that it affects Dostal and how
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  he's gonna become great. But I'm not like running to pick
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  up Gibson or anything. After after all this though, is
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  that is it kind of feels sad to talk about Gibson this way.
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  Like I know. All the all these trade
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  deadlines with him on our roster stashed on IR waiting.
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  For should have been in Edmonton.
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  That was we all knew that it should have been some trade
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  deadline in the last three years.
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  He goes to Edmonton, they like have a crazy cup run.
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  You know, like he was the he would have been the missing
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  piece for them. He was such a good goalie for so
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  long and that's exactly what Edmonton needed and he was on
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  the chopping block. It made too much sense move but
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  they they decided to sign I. Mean Edmonton made 2000 back
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  without him. Yeah.
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  So does he take them over the edge?
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  I don't know. I mean, Skinner was bipolar
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  playoffs. He was either the worst goalie
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  ever or got a shut out. Yeah, you can't.
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  You can't win the Cup with a guy who could show up and be the
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  worst goalie ever. It's true.
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  There's just like something about the fact that Kane is
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  still there that like makes me feel like they may not be as bad
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  as we think they're going to be another.
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  That's like some reasonable indicator by any means.
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  But he could have probably gone to like a contender and he's
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  just like, Nah, I'm gonna send Troy and I'm.
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  Like, isn't he like from Detroit or am I making that up at the
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  very? Least I think is from the area
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  I. Think from the area and like I
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  think he likes playing with the bracket so.
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  And also, do you think his move his family again?
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  And I think that's just a, yeah, a big deal.
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  Anyways, let's move on to the next one.
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  Another Habs one for just for you guys.
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  There's exciting. Yeah, this is another exciting
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  1. The Haves acquire Zach Bolduc
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  from Saint Louis for Logan Mayu. Crazy Yeah, is cooking.
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  I was not happy about this at first.
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  I was just like oh like yeah just at 1st at first cuz.
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  Sounds of PTSD. Well, it's because when I
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  remember when we picked Mayo like there was the.
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  The whole fell. From reason, like yeah, he fell
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  and then he kinda just like like was supposed to be picked
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  higher. And then I didn't realize that
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  Bulldog was actually picked in the mid first round of that
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  year. That seems.
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  So I looked more into it and like he's a big body and he
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  could play centre, which is really, really nice to see.
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  I'd be shocked though if you play centre.
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  Why, yeah, he's not gonna play centre.
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  He's just been practicing his face off so that he could be
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  like the secondary option for like left like wings, like face
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  offs or stuff like that. Who's like look, I mean,
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  obviously Suzukis are number one guy and.
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  Then he asked for sure gonna come to.
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  The house like doctor New look. It's gonna be dark until he
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  either gets injured or just proves he can't do it, in which
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  case we'll have to make a trade. But I mean, look like he's 22,
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  right? Like the?
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  He said he hasn't played centre since he was 17.
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  Oh yeah. That's that's a bit of a that's
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  a bit of a problem nevertheless, like I think that would be like
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  the best, best case scenario. But even if he is still like a
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  winger, I mean it adds depth. I mean, for fantasy, I feel like
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  if he played centre at this point, it would be worse for his
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  fantasy value because he's gonna have a lot more responsibility
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  and he's also gonna be like learning to be responsible and
• 18:20
  that probably hinders his offensive capabilities.
• 18:22
  Whereas him playing as a winger, like you can just focus on
• 18:25
  hitting people and digging shots and scoring goals.
• 18:28
  Yeah, we'll snipe celly boys. It's just like, I'm really
• 18:33
  excited about this. I was also sad to see my you
• 18:35
  leave because, you know, he's been a guy in a prospect pool
• 18:37
  that was highly regarded as well.
• 18:39
  But we just have so many defensemen.
• 18:40
  I don't think it was room for him and just swap him for like,
• 18:43
  oh, winger of similar value that we've already seen as proven in
• 18:47
  the NHL. Like last year, he played fourth
• 18:50
  fourth line minutes and was producing at way above the rate
• 18:54
  that he should have for how many minutes he was getting.
• 18:56
  Yeah, I've got some specific figures.
• 19:00
  Montgomery got hired. I think it was November 15th or
• 19:02
  November 25th of last year. Um Bolduc had .34 goals per
• 19:07
  game. Which is goal raising goals, not
• 19:12
  exactly goals per game. He was on a 30 goal like season
• 19:16
  pace since the new coach hire and if you were following along
• 19:19
  towards the end of like after the Four Nations, like how Saint
• 19:22
  Louis was on a terrible, Duke was a key piece of that.
• 19:24
  He absolutely was. The top line is set though.
• 19:27
  Like the top line is set for sure for the Habs, then line 2
• 19:31
  Demidov is there for sure. And Duke and Doc is going to be
• 19:34
  the. Start low key centre.
• 19:37
  I don't think so. No, no, but, but that's like,
• 19:41
  that's why I'm just like if line a becomes line again, which
• 19:47
  we'll. See, that's not happening.
• 19:48
  I'm sorry. So if we're totally writing
• 19:51
  offline, then OK, it'll be Bolduc Demanov.
• 19:54
  But let's say Liona becomes with who they want them to be and he
• 19:57
  actually makes a name for himself.
• 19:58
  Stay second line left wing. Then what?
• 20:01
  Then it's gonna be line a doc demo, right?
• 20:04
  And Bulldog just gets buried on line 3.
• 20:06
  So that's why I'm like if you. Place centre than at least like
• 20:10
  I mean doc is not proven. He gets, I wouldn't wanna force
• 20:13
  somebody to play centre of they can't play centre though.
• 20:15
  Yeah. And like I think, yeah, I think
• 20:16
  our management is doing a good job at like not forcing pieces
• 20:19
  if they're not there. Like, yeah, we've been talking
• 20:22
  about filling up this 2C void the whole season, leaving last
• 20:26
  year. Like the management, they said
• 20:29
  they're not gonna rush it. They said they knew the market
• 20:31
  was really bad. They don't want to overpay for
• 20:33
  someone. They're like, look, this year
• 20:34
  we're gonna go in with Doc. We're gonna see what we have.
• 20:36
  If he doesn't work out, then next offseason or throughout
• 20:39
  during the season we'll make a trade to make something.
• 20:41
  Happen and that's the way you should go about it like don't
• 20:44
  you can't you can't force the situation if it's not there
• 20:46
  because you can first of all ruin the asset that you do have
• 20:48
  and it just brings complications further along the line.
• 20:51
  I think we should just probably get like a lower level like
• 20:55
  veteran that like is just looking for an extra chance.
• 20:58
  Like if we had got like a close would have been perfect.
• 21:00
  You know what I mean? Like a rhino.
• 21:02
  Right up until he doesn't like exactly Hagen.
• 21:05
  Devorah came back. I mean he's like a perfect third
• 21:07
  line but I feel like you could have sought if doc screws.
• 21:10
  So we can talk about the Habs all day, but let's talk about
• 21:13
  the actual fantasy impacts for this.
• 21:15
  So for Bolduc specifically, he actually like before this trade,
• 21:19
  he was going to be one of my sleeper picks for next year.
• 21:21
  I thought he could have like a sneaky breakout season.
• 21:23
  He was insane. He was like such a good like end
• 21:26
  to the season. He was scoring a ton.
• 21:28
  Saint Louis had a split power play and he was on one of the
• 21:30
  power play and so he had like great deployment, but after this
• 21:33
  trade I really have kind of and he was getting 1.5 hits per game
• 21:35
  by the way. So he's also banging.
• 21:37
  But after this trade, I kind of have like no real desire to have
• 21:40
  him on my team because same reason as Dobson, right?
• 21:43
  He's just not gonna crack power play one.
• 21:44
  There's no chance. And the only way that you know,
• 21:48
  I see it him being valuable is if the same as we talked about
• 21:52
  with Dobson, if we think the power play 2 is strong enough
• 21:54
  that it forces more of a split, then I could see him having
• 21:57
  value. But otherwise I'm not like I
• 21:59
  just hate having guys who are not power play 1 unless they're
• 22:02
  pure banger guys. That's kind of like how I like,
• 22:04
  I think. He can still have value even if
• 22:06
  he's not a pure banger guy though.
• 22:08
  Yeah, yeah. Like, I think he'll do a bit of
• 22:10
  everything, but I'm much less excited about him than I was
• 22:14
  before the trade. That's fair, that's fair.
• 22:18
  I guess the best place he'll be drafted is in leagues with Saint
• 22:22
  Louis Blues fans. Good.
• 22:26
  What do you mean? Because we just over half sense
• 22:29
  overhype all our. Own place, that's what I'm.
• 22:30
  Saying like he'll fall more than you should and then you could
• 22:32
  actually get some value, but now like he'll be dropped it too
• 22:34
  high. Because yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:35
  OK, now I see what you're saying.
• 22:36
  Yeah, yeah. That's what.
• 22:37
  OK. Would you?
• 22:38
  Would you rather? Would you rather buildup or
• 22:42
  Logan Cooley who's on P2? Cooley.
• 22:45
  Cooley, yeah, no, Cooley is like a a legit, legit like elite guy.
• 22:49
  Yeah, I I think Cooley ceilings in tremendous, whereas Bulldog
• 22:52
  could be good. Also, like Cooley has a shot at
• 22:54
  power play 1, Bolduc doesn't. Yeah, yeah.
• 22:57
  Boluk or Jonathan Huberdeau I'm. I'm I'm not touching Hooper
• 23:03
  though. He's he's cooked.
• 23:05
  I I guess like, I guess bolduc. Yeah, but I don't particularly
• 23:08
  want either on my team, to be honest.
• 23:10
  Yeah. Boldur, Cutter Gautier.
• 23:14
  Go to, go to yeah, yeah, because I think he's.
• 23:16
  Just because there's more room for him to be the guy there.
• 23:20
  But I think, I think Bolduc like severely outpaces him in all the
• 23:23
  back categories like shots, hits, everything else and then
• 23:27
  this is the points difference could make up for that.
• 23:29
  I don't know. And the shot difference and.
• 23:32
  Everything. Yeah.
• 23:32
  It's one of those things that go there will just be more flashy,
• 23:35
  but I think Bolduc like could actually you're right, like
• 23:38
  over. No, no, we had three Kevin.
• 23:40
  Yeah. Fine, for me Barbashev is like
• 23:44
  if he's on line one I would take him, if not I have no interest.
• 23:47
  Yeah. So I find, yeah, I don't know, I
• 23:51
  find like the the best case, like I said, centre, but it's
• 23:53
  probably not gonna happen going the other way.
• 23:55
  Yes. Evander, you mayu just.
• 24:01
  This is addicted to what you rather.
• 24:04
  Literally. Well, like a teenager at, like,
• 24:07
  their first party, yeah. No, totally supposed to be like
• 24:13
  this. Yeah, so my you like could
• 24:16
  actually be a very good IRL defenseman and.
• 24:19
  He's yes. Like.
• 24:20
  He's really offensive. That's why I was like, it was
• 24:23
  sad. Not because I don't think
• 24:24
  Bullocks a decent return, just because it's like I thought that
• 24:27
  like, I mean, maybe should have been drafted higher than he was.
• 24:29
  Yeah. And now he's on a team with like
• 24:33
  a bunch of other good defensemen.
• 24:34
  He also seems to be buried there to be honest.
• 24:37
  But. Not their defensemen are like
• 24:39
  weird because they're all old and aging or like not offensive.
• 24:42
  Yes, exactly. I kind of like it for him a lot
• 24:45
  because OK, so let's obviously we're talking power play time,
• 24:48
  right? That's always kind of what we're
• 24:50
  looking at fantasy wise for an. Office for sure.
• 24:53
  He's definitely playing in the NHL.
• 24:54
  Like if you look at like their defensemen like he's definitely
• 24:56
  cracking that. And then my question is what is
• 24:59
  his road to either power play unit?
• 25:01
  The nice thing with Saint Louis is a complete split.
• 25:03
  So he doesn't need to be power play 1.
• 25:04
  He just needs to be on either. And I'll tell you the three
• 25:06
  defensemen that are kind of in his way, it would be Cam Fowler,
• 25:10
  Colton Preco and Justin Faulk. And I think he would be above
• 25:13
  fault, honestly, because I wasn't.
• 25:15
  Impressed with Army guy last year.
• 25:17
  No, until Fowler came in. Until you you drafted fault last
• 25:22
  year and you dropped him because he just.
• 25:23
  Like fell off like he was valuable again later in the
• 25:26
  season. Yeah, but I I think like and in
• 25:29
  my opinion, I always thought Preco was a pure like
• 25:31
  defenseman, like being your style power, but they had him on
• 25:33
  the power play for a bit. But really, I think I could see
• 25:36
  Fowler. I think it's clear P1 or at
• 25:38
  least on one of them guaranteed because that's his main value.
• 25:41
  Also. But my you could be could be
• 25:43
  that guy the second like he could be instead of preco or
• 25:46
  fault he can be on one of the power play units.
• 25:48
  I still think that way though. I still think he's a rookie and
• 25:52
  he's not gonna have a big impact this year.
• 25:53
  It might take him a year or two to like gain experience in the
• 25:56
  NHL, but I think he could be a solid points defenseman in the
• 25:59
  future if he takes over one of the power plays.
• 26:01
  I think it can be like one of those things where you get a
• 26:03
  situation where somebody gets hurt.
• 26:05
  Like these guys are all super old except Parreco.
• 26:07
  Like something happens and they just throw them in there.
• 26:10
  Like, you know, we saw like a Thomas Harley situation or or
• 26:15
  what was the to this? But but he he just gets a chance
• 26:23
  and he proved himself and then he cements his position.
• 26:26
  It might happen, but probably more next.
• 26:28
  Year is the watchlist guy, pretty much.
• 26:29
  Yeah, exactly. Yeah.
• 26:31
  And then yeah, in terms of other Blues from Bulldog leaving, it
• 26:36
  frees up a power play and top six spot for a forward on the
• 26:39
  Blues. And the two guys that I would
• 26:41
  kind of look at is, um, well, Jake Neighbors already kind of
• 26:45
  was top six and on a power play. So I don't think it affects him,
• 26:47
  but he might have a bigger role. And then Jimmy Snuggerud, one of
• 26:51
  the funniest names to say, but he should get a big chance this
• 26:54
  year. He was first round, 23rd overall
• 26:56
  pick in 2022. So he's got a big, you know,
• 26:59
  resume and yeah, this spot that opened up, people do leaving.
• 27:03
  I think he can. He can have a big a big year.
• 27:06
  Yeah. How do we like the Blues next
• 27:08
  year? Is it like a we're hyped and
• 27:09
  they're gonna continue what they did at the end of last season,
• 27:11
  or are they slowed down or they? Complete.
• 27:13
  There's no way they're continuing that pace that was.
• 27:14
  Until they were like undefeated for so long.
• 27:17
  Yeah, but I like them. I see them as a middle of the
• 27:20
  road like. Every playoff team.
• 27:22
  I guess they're they're wild card team.
• 27:25
  OK, the Blues are the Utah. It's tough because you always
• 27:29
  like I like the shiny toys, you know, like and has more
• 27:32
  excitement some behind it. So I wanna lean with Utah.
• 27:35
  But like Montgomery is a serious coach and Blues have good
• 27:37
  players. So I don't know.
• 27:38
  But I'm going to Utah, just I'm really hype on Utah.
• 27:41
  Ohe OK, I know, I know who every player Josh is going to draft.
• 27:45
  I honestly, I want so many Utah players and I'm going to have to
• 27:48
  restrain myself. Yeah, they're fun team for sure.
• 27:53
  Let's let's move on to the next. Alright, next one is Carolina
• 27:58
  Hurricanes acquired Kandre Miller from the Rangers for a
• 28:00
  second round pick, a conditional first round pick, and Scott
• 28:03
  Morrow. I remember when I saw this
• 28:05
  trade, I thought this was a crazy overpay by Carolina.
• 28:07
  I was. Like more opposite over the
• 28:09
  edge. Right.
• 28:09
  Like I like very serious until recently I thought this guy was
• 28:13
  a highly touted like prospect. And then he he they got brought
• 28:16
  in in the playoffs and he just had a terrible like playoffs.
• 28:20
  And then I guess Carolina, it's like, you know what, he's an
• 28:23
  undersized guy. He didn't have a good playoffs.
• 28:25
  He played like 3 games. Like we don't want him anymore.
• 28:27
  I don't know. I don't.
• 28:28
  Know they wanna somebody's gonna make more of an impact right
• 28:30
  now, I guess, because every year they're like eliminated in the
• 28:33
  second round. I guess that's fair.
• 28:35
  No, it's the conference finals. This was there, you know, before
• 28:38
  this year. They always have the conference
• 28:40
  finals. No, that's true.
• 28:42
  But they were like Owen, like 16 in their last like, 16
• 28:46
  conference finals. Yeah, this year they won one and
• 28:48
  they were like, celebrating. But yeah, I know this was a
• 28:50
  crazy trade. Like in real life, I thought it
• 28:52
  was a crazy overpay. They clearly really like Miller,
• 28:55
  but I think it's more as a defensive defenseman, I don't
• 28:57
  see him making that much of an impact.
• 28:59
  I mean, he's the second guy offensive wise behind Gosta
• 29:02
  Spare. But they're like, if you don't
• 29:04
  put gospel on your power, play one like why is he on your team?
• 29:07
  I I I totally agree with everything you just said.
• 29:11
  It's really kind of to me a little boring for fantasy.
• 29:14
  Kandre Miller is way better IRL than he is in fantasy and like
• 29:18
  Carolina is just. So warming, what do you see when
• 29:21
  you see a player go to Carolina here?
• 29:22
  Like already You're like, oh, OK.
• 29:24
  Yeah, it's just like there's such a good team, like he knows
• 29:28
  how to build such like a force to be like third best.
• 29:31
  But like it's just not that he was really even offensive
• 29:36
  beforehand. Like he's just gonna add to the
• 29:38
  team and make them decent like I.
• 29:40
  Guess it's gonna be like slaving 2 pointers.
• 29:42
  Pretty much exactly. It does feel like an over.
• 29:46
  Does he run PG? It really does.
• 29:48
  Yeah, he'll be P2, but PB2 on Carolina is irrelevant.
• 29:51
  Yeah, but I feel like maybe this is a year where Ghost takes a
• 29:55
  step back and they can justify having him on the on the team or
• 30:00
  in the top 6 for just the power play.
• 30:03
  And maybe this is one of those situations where Miller sneakily
• 30:07
  ends up PB one and we're all like kind of surprised because
• 30:11
  he's not. I feel like he's not a great
• 30:13
  power play quarterback, but if he's got the spot, he's got the
• 30:15
  spot. I mean they did pay him 8 * 7.5
• 30:18
  mil. That's a big data first and
• 30:21
  second round pick and a prospect like they really, really like.
• 30:24
  Him, he's like, he's like the future of their decor.
• 30:27
  Like he's. Yeah, it's him and Slavin, and
• 30:29
  Slavin is pure. Miller, pretty much as much as
• 30:32
  like the Habs, paid for Dobson. Yeah.
• 30:35
  Which is crazy to me. I think Dobson is way better.
• 30:37
  But yeah, Dobson is way. Better.
• 30:38
  Yeah. And that's insane to me.
• 30:40
  Is Miller right-handed? Probably honestly with the to
• 30:44
  get that overpay, you gotta be a right-handed defenseman this
• 30:46
  offseason. Yeah, yeah.
• 30:48
  So fantasy wise, I don't think there's much much to talk about.
• 30:51
  Like barely anything. He could be a guy honestly that
• 30:53
  I drafted like in my last round, like around on my decor that I
• 30:57
  drop after week one. If I see it's like really not
• 30:59
  working out or like I can, I'm calling my shot now.
• 31:02
  I feel like, you know, throughout the season, it's like
• 31:04
  week 15 or something And Shane gossipers hurt again and Miller
• 31:09
  steps in and is valuable as the people on defenseman.
• 31:12
  Who knows? That's like, yeah, so he's the
• 31:14
  guy. He's the next in line, you know,
• 31:16
  he's the vice president. So you keep an eye on if the
• 31:18
  president gets shot, but other than that, you know.
• 31:22
  Well, no, but it's you're right. It's like they they have him
• 31:26
  there to basically be like like the defensive defenseman because
• 31:30
  that's who he is. But you're right, Kevin, the
• 31:33
  like just he'll have to be the next in line.
• 31:35
  They just paid so much. For him, like exactly, it's
• 31:38
  crazy. It's.
• 31:39
  Just I feel gossip bears little squishy.
• 31:41
  So yeah, I just feel like, you know, he gets hurt or he is a
• 31:46
  liability besides being on the power play, and they move him
• 31:49
  off and then there's an opportunity that arises.
• 31:52
  Follow that money, my new catch phrase.
• 31:57
  Yeah, really. So I don't know about you guys,
• 32:00
  but I think this last one is the most exciting.
• 32:03
  OK, we needed it. Really depends.
• 32:06
  Not exciting to say top nine. You know what's what's
• 32:09
  something? You know what?
• 32:10
  OK, there's not whatever. Let's just get into it, OK?
• 32:13
  The Penguins acquire Archers Sheloves from Vancouver for
• 32:17
  essentially trash. If you drafted she loves lawsuit
• 32:22
  because Demco started this season on the the IR then you
• 32:25
  were not pleasantly surprised because he did nothing and
• 32:28
  Lincoln was the guy you had the draft.
• 32:30
  Lankinen got drafted in our league like.
• 32:32
  We really should have. Way too early and I was like, I
• 32:35
  was like laughing to myself. I'm like I got Sheila was last
• 32:37
  pick of the draft and he's. He just knew.
• 32:43
  Yeah. You know, it's like the the
• 32:45
  truth is like, obviously we make fun of it a little bit because
• 32:48
  this is a tiered below the other ones that we all mentioned.
• 32:52
  But Loki, this could be one of those like Michael Jordan and I
• 32:56
  took it personally memes from She loves.
• 32:58
  Like he was like, yeah, he's listening to our podcast and
• 33:01
  really sticking it to us because look like Pittsburgh does kinda
• 33:05
  suck. Like they're really not that
• 33:07
  good at this point. But as long as they have Crosby,
• 33:10
  like, they're gonna try. Yeah, like they will.
• 33:13
  So is Jerry really some sort of like they're possible?
• 33:18
  Ship him for sure. That's what I'm saying like.
• 33:21
  To go what they might want. She loves to be the guy.
• 33:24
  Like everything is powered to like, not be the starter there.
• 33:27
  Like they literally could not. Yeah, they could always.
• 33:31
  They had to start because nobody else.
• 33:33
  Yeah. Maybe they're starter this year,
• 33:37
  in which case you could do worse than to drop off like a middle
• 33:40
  of the road team starting goalie.
• 33:43
  So the way I see it with this is, first of all, Pittsburgh
• 33:46
  gonna be in lottery contention. I see them getting McKenna
• 33:48
  because it's gonna be like Crosby's torch passing on to
• 33:51
  McKenna, you know, just they would be their luck, you know?
• 33:53
  Anyways. They're gonna be that bad.
• 33:55
  They're gonna be garbage this year.
• 33:56
  They're really, really bad. The only good thing they've got
• 33:59
  going is Crosby, and yes, that's a really good thing.
• 34:01
  She's also pretty old. Yeah, there's another.
• 34:03
  Issue. She loves the new Akira Schmid,
• 34:06
  that's why. The new MOS from the.
• 34:09
  Office. You mean she loves in the
• 34:11
  Penguins? Yeah, yeah.
• 34:13
  So anyway, so Penguins are gonna suck as a team.
• 34:15
  And then it's not even like she loves has an easy road to the
• 34:17
  starters net because, yes, there's Jerry, which they're
• 34:19
  trying to get rid of, but they haven't yet.
• 34:21
  And as long as he's there, he's gonna get starts.
• 34:22
  And there's also Blomqvist. I don't know you guys remember
• 34:25
  from this past season, but he was pretty solid actually.
• 34:28
  I think he's a prospect they're excited about.
• 34:30
  So what I see Pittsburgh at least trying to do is getting
• 34:33
  rid of Jerry and then going into the season with a blank fist.
• 34:35
  Sheila's tandem Not, not not an. Exciting task.
• 34:40
  You know, refer to my previous. They're going to be a bottom
• 34:43
  five team. Yeah.
• 34:45
  But The thing is that the reason that I mentioned this at all is
• 34:49
  I don't know if you saw Sheila's stats from the Calder Cup, which
• 34:52
  they won, right? Lay it on me.
• 34:53
  Cup, but in the playoffs he was 17 and eight. 2.8 Goals against
• 34:58
  average .929 save percentage and five shutouts.
• 35:02
  So like. Crazy.
• 35:03
  That's pretty insane. He was obviously like players do
• 35:06
  well with the NHL and it doesn't like translate because he was
• 35:09
  pretty bad in the NHL last year. He had a few like.
• 35:12
  Chances. Yes, exactly.
• 35:13
  So I think he's got a good future.
• 35:15
  I think he could become a starting goalie in the future.
• 35:17
  I don't think that is this year. I don't think it's next year,
• 35:20
  but I think something to keep an eye on if you're, you know,
• 35:23
  thinking really far in the future.
• 35:25
  And I needed a 10th trade to put on the list so.
• 35:29
  OK. Can I give you, would you rather
• 35:30
  stand the podcast? Yeah.
• 35:32
  OK. Would you think she loves OK
• 35:35
  Blomqvist or John Gibson? Gibson.
• 35:40
  OK, never mind that. OK.
• 35:47
  OK. For cut him off.
• 35:49
  Or Peter Marasmic. Bloodfist.
• 35:52
  OK. But this is like saying like
• 35:54
  would you rather? Block, Mr. Spencer Night.
• 36:00
  Yester night, yeah. Yeah, that's right.
• 36:02
  Yeah, I like. It I just know.
• 36:03
  I just know you hate tonight after last year.
• 36:04
  Give me a She loves 1 though. Like give me, give me like, I'm
• 36:08
  curious like we could. She loves her blog with.
• 36:11
  Yeah. What?
• 36:13
  No, like, I don't know. I mean, if you're not drafting
• 36:16
  the head of the other guy that's on the same team, then who are
• 36:18
  you drafting My head off? I mean no one drafting any of
• 36:21
  these guys, right? Like.
• 36:23
  I mean, it's some deeply. You'd be surprised.
• 36:25
  People are desperate for some goalies.
• 36:26
  Look, if between now and the secondaries and Jerry gets
• 36:29
  traded, yeah, yeah, then it becomes a person who can
• 36:32
  actually get rostered, you know? Down like they don't like him.
• 36:36
  They sent him to the NHL last year, yeah.
• 36:39
  But he's gonna. Like get it back.
• 36:41
  They had no other options. They're gonna give him a chance
• 36:43
  to start the season though. If.
• 36:45
  He's always doing the chances are the season, it's always
• 36:47
  happens. Hey, you could put some respect
• 36:49
  on the Stanley Cup winner Tristan Garry's name.
• 36:53
  Oh my God. Yeah, I, I do you have one with
• 36:56
  Shilos, Kevin, I'm, I'm thinking.
• 36:58
  Like, no, but we have, we have limited time left.
• 37:01
  I feel like who's who's the guy that did it get traded that you
• 37:03
  really thought you wanted to get traded?
• 37:05
  Like didn't get traded that you wanted to?
• 37:07
  Yeah, talk about top 10 trees. Like, I don't know anybody on
• 37:10
  top of your head like that you really wanted to see traded and
• 37:13
  that didn't happen. Like, I think I think we could
• 37:16
  have seen like something cool happened like Sam Bennett, like.
• 37:19
  Like modern signings, right? That's.
• 37:22
  Like, yeah, but like, it was like kind of morning, right?
• 37:23
  Like we put them in the chase, but like it was a sign and
• 37:26
  trade. I mean, all things considered,
• 37:28
  this is a pretty boring free agency, right?
• 37:30
  Most of the teams just resigned their guys because of their
• 37:32
  rising cap, right? They all had more money than
• 37:34
  they originally thought they would.
• 37:35
  And so they're just like, OK, we'll just sign all our guys.
• 37:37
  I mean, if you're Florida, all you guys took a discount also.
• 37:39
  So that helped. They somehow kept all three of
• 37:41
  their big names. But that's.
• 37:43
  Coming up, which is crazy. It's not there.
• 37:47
  They really built, are building a dynasty there.
• 37:49
  But they are. There's a lot of their guys are
• 37:50
  getting old. So we'll see.
• 37:51
  I don't know. I think if they have space for
• 37:53
  face Florida in the playoffs, I think we can take it, yeah.
• 37:57
  But I also have time for. Letting my bracket this year.
• 38:01
  You have to know choice. Yeah, every year.
• 38:04
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• 38:17
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• 38:19
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