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The Bolt Report | 7 October · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Tonight, the October 7th anniversary, today, the murder of 1,200
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  Speaker 1: Israelis that day was bad enough and the three years
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  Speaker 1: since have been actually terrifying. Also tonight, a shock poll
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  Speaker 1: for Labor. There's time running out for the Prime Minister
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  Speaker 1: and his failed Treasurer. And the French Civil War just
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  Speaker 1: gets worse, with the hard left again joining with other
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  Speaker 1: enemies of our civilisation. Plenty more tonight. But first, today
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  Speaker 1: came another mad attack on our wealth. The High Court said,
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  Speaker 1: hang on, a New South Wales coal mine... Wicked coal,
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  Speaker 1: a mine at Mount Pleasant, can't extend operations unless it
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  Speaker 1: proves it's tried as much as possible to stop emissions
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  Speaker 1: caused by the coal it sends overseas. Global warming, you
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  Speaker 1: got it. Now, if this becomes the new rule and
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  Speaker 1: not just the New South Wales, our coal exports could
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  Speaker 1: be destroyed by activists, including, of course, activist judges. That's
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  Speaker 1: our second biggest export now under threat. $ 70 billion a year.
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  Speaker 1: when we're buried in debt, when our standard of living
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  Speaker 1: is already falling. Honestly, let me repeat a great truth
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  Speaker 1: that our governments still don't get. It's not global warming
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  Speaker 1: that could destroy Australia. It's global warming policies. That's what's
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  Speaker 1: making us poorer and making life harder. And where has
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  Speaker 1: our climate change and energy minister been while the High
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  Speaker 1: Court puts a torpedo through our coal exports? Well, Chris
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  Speaker 1: Bowen was... at his farcical climate conference in Tuvalu, a
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  Speaker 1: conference which cost us more than $ 20 million, designed to
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  Speaker 1: scare us and our judges and everyone else into a
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  Speaker 1: frenzy about coal. But there he was actually nodding off,
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  Speaker 1: couldn't keep his eyes open, which says it all. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: if Bowen really thought his conference had to save the
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  Speaker 1: planet from a climate apocalypse that could kill us all,
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  Speaker 1: wouldn't he be wide awake with urgency, not closed-eyed with boredom? Now,
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  Speaker 1: it's true, Prime Minister Anthony Albanese, who foolishly joined Bowen's circus,
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  Speaker 1: did yesterday try to give a big wakey-wakey to the
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  Speaker 1: embarrassingly few world leaders and Chris Bowen, who accepted Bowen's
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  Speaker 1: invitation to come watch him play Planet Saver. But Albanese
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  Speaker 1: just made a fool of himself.
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  Speaker 2: The forecast of Super El Nino may test us all.
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  Speaker 2: In Australia, we're expecting a summer of floods... of cyclones
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  Speaker 2: of extreme heat and extreme behaviour. Because the science told
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  Speaker 2: us that if we didn't act to address global emissions,
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  Speaker 2: this is precisely what would occur.
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  Speaker 1: Yet again, more alarmist bull from a scientific ignoramus. But
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  Speaker 1: did you hear one journalist there, you know, question him,
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  Speaker 1: correct him? One, does Albanese really think there's been no
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  Speaker 1: El Nino before? It happened every few years. Two, does
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  Speaker 1: Albanese seriously think that Australia could stop cyclones or floods
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  Speaker 1: or an El Nino by cutting our tiny emissions? Come
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  Speaker 1: off it. And three, does Albanese really not know that
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  Speaker 1: Australia and Tuvalu have in fact both had fewer cyclones
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  Speaker 1: over the past four decades of global warming, and fewer
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  Speaker 1: severe ones? Not more cyclones, Prime Minister, but fewer. For instance,
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  Speaker 1: the Australian-funded Climate and Ocean Support Programme in the Pacific
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  Speaker 1: said four years ago, in the Greater South West Pacific...
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  Speaker 1: which includes Tuvalu, the total number of severe tropical cyclones
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  Speaker 1: has decreased over the last 40 seasons. And the number
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  Speaker 1: of tropical cyclones that became severe events has marginally declined.
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  Speaker 1: Fewer cyclones, not more. The opposite of what Albanese was saying.
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  Speaker 1: And that's thanks to global warming. Same with Australia. Nor
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  Speaker 1: is that the end of the good news that global
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  Speaker 1: warming has brought. As our CSIRO admits, the earth is
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  Speaker 1: now getting greener, especially in Australia, thanks in part to
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  Speaker 1: our emissions. And we're getting more rain than a century ago.
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  Speaker 1: Fewer cyclones, more rain, more greening. Should Albanese and Bowen
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  Speaker 1: really be trying to stop all that? So let me
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  Speaker 1: sum up the madness of their global warming crusade. Albanese
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  Speaker 1: and Bowen want to spend billions we do not have
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  Speaker 1: on green schemes that do not work. to stop a
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  Speaker 1: climate catastrophe that does not exist. And I think many
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  Speaker 1: people are now waking up to this incredible reality. They're
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  Speaker 1: now counting the horrendous cost of this con of pretending
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  Speaker 1: to stop global warming. I reckon that's why this pre-conference
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  Speaker 1: conference over there in Fiji and Tuvalu has been such
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  Speaker 1: a flop. This specific frolic organised by Chris Bowen as
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  Speaker 1: President of Negotiations at next month's United Nations Climate Conference
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  Speaker 1: conference in Turkey. Bowen asked world leaders to join him
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  Speaker 1: in this pre-conference conference to work up a joint agenda
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  Speaker 1: for the Turkey meeting. But just two non-Pacific leaders turned up.
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  Speaker 1: They were from Minos. I mean, East Timor, the Maldives.
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  Speaker 1: The turnout was so thin that Bowen had to get
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  Speaker 1: two failed Labor leaders, New Zealand's Jacinda Ardern and Australia's
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  Speaker 1: Julia Gillard, to come be the guest speakers, despite neither
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  Speaker 1: being remotely a global warming expert. They were just there
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  Speaker 1: to say, go Chris, you know, you beaut. It was
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  Speaker 1: also embarrassing that Albanese seemed to be hiding from reporters.
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  Speaker 1: He didn't answer a single question before flying back home,
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  Speaker 1: leaving Bowen to carry the can.
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  Speaker 3: If you want to talk about scrutiny, this is my
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  Speaker 3: second press conference of pre-cop. The only reason I didn't
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  Speaker 3: hold a press conference yesterday is because I was coming
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  Speaker 3: and going to Tuvalu and didn't get back until well
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  Speaker 3: into the evening. I'm here as the ministerial counterpart of Linda.
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  Speaker 3: I'm holding a press conference today. Linda, unfortunately, the Prime
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  Speaker 3: Minister of Fiji hasn't held a press conference either. Leaders
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  Speaker 3: are engaged with each other. I'm here answering questions and
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  Speaker 3: will do again tomorrow.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, really, I'm guessing even Albanese actually now realises
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  Speaker 1: there are a few votes left in pretending to stop
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  Speaker 1: global warming when Australians are now counting the price of
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  Speaker 1: just trying from paying huge prices for electricity to wasting
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  Speaker 1: billions on dud green schemes like... Chris Bone's green hydrogen projects,
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  Speaker 1: what a flop that was too. But from frying pan
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  Speaker 1: to the fire, because Albanese has flown back to another
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  Speaker 1: disastrous fallout from his global warming religion, this High Court decision.
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  Speaker 1: For the first time, the High Court has ruled that
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  Speaker 1: Australia is not just responsible for its own emissions, we're
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  Speaker 1: also responsible for the emissions from countries which burn the
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  Speaker 1: coal they buy from us. It says New South Wales
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  Speaker 1: law demands that those emissions have to be considered before
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  Speaker 1: approving mines or mine extensions, even though one mine cannot
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  Speaker 1: make any difference to global warming that anyone could possibly notice.
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  Speaker 1: And another telling thing. Environment Minister Murray Watt today didn't
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  Speaker 1: thank the court for saving the world from dangerous heating,
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  Speaker 1: for socking it to those wicked coal mines. He instead stressed,
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  Speaker 1: oh no, this wasn't the government's fault.
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  Speaker 4: I would make the point that the decision from the
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  Speaker 4: High Court is in relation to a New South Wales
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  Speaker 4: government decision based on New South Wales legislation, so it
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  Speaker 4: doesn't automatically transfer to Commonwealth decisions in or Commonwealth legislation.
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  Speaker 4: That was a very specific requirement under New South Wales
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  Speaker 4: law that doesn't exist in Commonwealth law. So at this
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  Speaker 4: early stage, I wouldn't necessarily say that it will flow
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  Speaker 4: onto Commonwealth decisions as well.
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  Speaker 1: Honestly, when even the Environment Minister of this government washes
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  Speaker 1: his hands of an attack on alcohol, it is clear
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  Speaker 1: that even Labor hardheads know that this climate religion has
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  Speaker 1: become a curse. I was joined a short while ago
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  Speaker 1: by Federal Opposition Leader Angus Taylor because he's about to
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  Speaker 1: go to a memorial service to mark the October 7 massacre.
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  Speaker 5: Good on him.
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  Speaker 1: But this is our discussion. Angus Taylor, thank you so
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  Speaker 1: much for your time. I want to talk to you
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  Speaker 1: about the big immigration policy you released yesterday, which I
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  Speaker 1: think is a good move. But first, this High Court decision.
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  Speaker 1: that says a coal mine in New South Wales has
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  Speaker 1: to account for emissions caused when its coal is burnt
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  Speaker 1: by customers overseas for their power or for their smelting.
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  Speaker 1: How serious is this?
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  Speaker 6: It's very serious, Andrew, and thank you for having me.
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  Speaker 6: This is activist lawfare and this is legislation from the
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  Speaker 6: New South Wales government which is enabling it and what
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  Speaker 6: it effectively means is is this mine is accountable for
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  Speaker 6: the emissions of its customers. Now, that's never been a
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  Speaker 6: principle that is... is usable or makes any sense at all, Andrew.
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  Speaker 6: And the Minsk government should eliminate this legislation, should abolish it.
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  Speaker 5: And if they don't and they should and if they.
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  Speaker 6: Don't, then the Albanese government should do the same thing
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  Speaker 6: at the federal level.
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  Speaker 5: This is completely unacceptable.
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  Speaker 6: The idea that a mine should be accountable for its
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  Speaker 6: emissions and that should be taken into account for its
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  Speaker 6: customers emissions and that should be taken into account is
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  Speaker 6: total madness. And it will lead to the death of
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  Speaker 6: our mining industry if it is to continue.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I know the three of the five judges ruled
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  Speaker 1: for this, and they're looking at New South Wales legislation,
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  Speaker 1: what it allegedly obliges companies and planning authorities to do
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  Speaker 1: in New South Wales. But I wonder whether this means
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  Speaker 1: we should pull out of legal obligations overseas, like the
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  Speaker 1: Paris Treaty, which would encourage judges to say, well, this
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  Speaker 1: is international law or we sign these treaties and this
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  Speaker 1: is our obligation. Do you think that you would you
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  Speaker 1: have another look at that pulling out of the Paris Treaty?
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  Speaker 6: Well, can I say there is absolutely nothing that requires this.
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  Speaker 5: This is on the New South Wales government.
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  Speaker 6: It's chosen to put this legislation in place and it
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  Speaker 6: makes no sense whatsoever to And so they should just
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  Speaker 6: get rid of it. It's got nothing to do with
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  Speaker 6: international treaties. Andrew, that's another question and a reasonable question
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  Speaker 6: you ask, but this has got nothing to do with that.
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  Speaker 6: So the men's government should get rid of it. And
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  Speaker 6: if they don't, then the Albanese government should enact legislation
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  Speaker 6: to override it.
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  Speaker 1: Now, that said, the International Court of Justice has already
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  Speaker 1: been saying that perhaps that should be that should be
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  Speaker 1: made obligatory in other countries too. I mean, the fact
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  Speaker 1: is you sign up to a treaty like that and
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  Speaker 1: you do, you know, judges do look at it as
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  Speaker 1: a sign of what we should be doing. This is
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  Speaker 1: the problem. Your immigration plan, though, to me it seems
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  Speaker 1: the most considered attempt I've seen from any party for
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  Speaker 1: a long, long, long time to slash immigration numbers. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I haven't seen them slash them. Whether it will work
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  Speaker 1: or not, there's a debate. It's hard to tell. You know,
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  Speaker 1: I guess you'll have to live with it if you
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  Speaker 1: form government and we'll see. But can I ask this?
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  Speaker 1: What's really made this issue so potent and has driven
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  Speaker 1: One Nation's vote in particular is the idea that we're
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  Speaker 1: losing control, that mass immigration is causing us to feel
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  Speaker 1: strangers in our own home, more danger.
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  Speaker 5: Less safe.
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  Speaker 1: What drives you most in proposing these cuts? Is it
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  Speaker 1: the economics of mass immigration or the social damage that
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  Speaker 1: mass immigration has done? Is it about the economy or
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  Speaker 1: our culture?
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  Speaker 5: Well, it's both, Andrew. It absolutely is both.
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  Speaker 6: We've seen people come to this country and get visas
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  Speaker 6: who should never have come to this country and should
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  Speaker 6: never have been issued visas. One of them was one
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  Speaker 6: of the shooters at North Bondi just before Christmas last year.
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  Speaker 6: But it is also true that we have seen record
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  Speaker 6: levels of immigration under this Labor government, 1.6 million people
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  Speaker 6: in just over four years. That's more than the population
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  Speaker 6: of Adelaide. And that is completely unacceptable. It cannot be absorbed.
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  Speaker 6: It's too big a number, whether it's cultural or economic.
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  Speaker 6: Our housing, our infrastructure, our services haven't been able to
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  Speaker 6: keep up. And I said from the moment I came
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  Speaker 6: into this job that the numbers were too high, the
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  Speaker 6: standards were too low and both must change. And that's
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  Speaker 6: a reflection of both the economics and, of course, the
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  Speaker 6: cultural impact that those kind of numbers have had.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you get business now saying, well, look, it's
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  Speaker 1: going to hurt us, you know, making our workers, the
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  Speaker 1: foreign workers they've sponsored, go back overseas to get an
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  Speaker 1: extension of their contracts or whatever, of their visas, all
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  Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. If it actually costs money, if
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  Speaker 1: it hurts business, is that a small price to pay?
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  Speaker 1: for the effect on our culture in making sure that
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  Speaker 1: immigration numbers are brought down?
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  Speaker 5: Well, I actually don't believe that.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, any economy or business that is built on
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  Speaker 6: a guest worker economy has got it wrong. And that's
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  Speaker 6: exactly what we've seen under this government. We've got up
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  Speaker 6: to almost 3 million temporary visas. That's over 10% of
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  Speaker 6: the population now, Andrew. An economy and businesses can't thrive
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  Speaker 6: on that. And so we're not going to be lectured
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  Speaker 6: to by vested interests on this. We'll do what's right
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  Speaker 6: for our nation. And what's right for our nation right now,
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  Speaker 6: after a record surge of inflation, is a record cut
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  Speaker 6: in inflation numbers to cut back that guest worker economy,
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  Speaker 6: to take control of our borders again. You said up
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  Speaker 6: front it remains to be seen whether this can be done. Well,
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  Speaker 6: the same was said back in 2012, 2013, of stopping
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  Speaker 6: the boats and we stopped the boats.
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  Speaker 5: We've done this before.
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  Speaker 6: We've regained control of our borders before and we will
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  Speaker 6: regain control of our borders again.
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  Speaker 1: Now, you did release your policy yesterday. Today is October
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  Speaker 1: 7th anniversary. As you mentioned, Two, well, the ceremonies are
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  Speaker 1: being held at Bondi Beach, one of the main ceremonies today,
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  Speaker 1: which is where we had that slaughter of Jews. One
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  Speaker 1: of the gunmen being an immigrant, a Muslim immigrant. Is
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  Speaker 1: the timing here of this a coincidence or did you
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  Speaker 1: have in mind that, Yes, we will be looking today
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  Speaker 1: in particular at the threat of Islam, maybe Muslim immigration,
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  Speaker 1: and your immigration crackdown is part of that.
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  Speaker 6: Well, there was an absolutely barbaric event on October 7
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  Speaker 6: and also a barbaric event just before Christmas last year
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  Speaker 6: at North Bondi.
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  Speaker 5: I went to Israel.
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  Speaker 6: I visited the Nova Music Festival site and kibbutz nearby.
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  Speaker 6: 1,200 people slaughtered, slaughtered. by Islamist extremists, Hamas inspired, of course.
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  Speaker 6: And I saw much of the footage from body cams
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  Speaker 6: and head cams. I never want to see that again, Andrew.
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  Speaker 6: It's like nothing I have ever seen before. And it
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  Speaker 6: was an atrocity. And so absolutely central to our immigration policy.
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  Speaker 5: Is Australian values.
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  Speaker 6: We do not want people coming to our country who
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  Speaker 6: do not share our values. And Islamist extremists do not
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  Speaker 6: share our values. It is simple as that. And so
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  Speaker 6: it's so important this evening on today, on October 7,
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  Speaker 6: that we we remember this. We remember this because this
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  Speaker 6: should never, ever happen again.
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  Speaker 1: Now, I totally agree with you that this government has
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  Speaker 1: lost control over the immigration process. Intake, unbelievable. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: how could we possibly have more than 400,000 people on
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  Speaker 1: bridging visas trying to, you know, swap to another visa?
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  Speaker 1: You say you want to slash that to just 20,000,
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  Speaker 1: mostly by doing, you know, telling people if you want
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  Speaker 1: a new visa, go back home and apply for it there.
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  Speaker 1: Problem is that nearly 90,000 of those bridging visas are
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  Speaker 1: held by relatives, parents, partners, et cetera, who are already here.
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  Speaker 1: Are you telling them to leave before applying for visas
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  Speaker 1: as well? Because, you know, there's the Labor will run
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  Speaker 1: a scare campaign in migrant communities saying, oh, look, look
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  Speaker 1: at you. You're being heartless. The people already here.
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  Speaker 6: Well, we are saying that anyone whose visa has expired
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  Speaker 6: must go and we will deport them if they don't.
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  Speaker 6: But in the case you're just talking about, those bridging
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  Speaker 6: visas will grandfather existing visas. We just won't issue new ones.
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  Speaker 6: It's as simple as that, Andrew. And that's been taken
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  Speaker 6: account of in our numbers. And that's going to give
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  Speaker 6: us those outcomes that I talked about a moment ago.
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  Speaker 6: Those bridging visas have been abused. Look, we had bridging
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  Speaker 6: visas at well below 100,000 10 years ago.
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  Speaker 5: They're now 400,000. It is very clear this is being abused.
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  Speaker 5: So if someone wants.
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  Speaker 6: To get a secondary visa, if they're on a visa
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  Speaker 6: and it expires and they want another one, they should
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  Speaker 6: go back offshore, apply. And if they qualify, they can
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  Speaker 6: come back. But they should be the people we want.
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  Speaker 6: We need to put Australia first and we need to
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  Speaker 6: get the skills that are right for our country.
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  Speaker 5: And that has not been happening under Labor.
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  Speaker 1: Angus Thaler, thank you so much for your time.
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  Speaker 5: Good to be with you, Andrew.
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  Speaker 1: After the break, Labor's vote falls to the worst ever recorded.
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  Speaker 1: Is the game over for Anthony Albanese and his failed treasurer?
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  Speaker 1: The wheels really are falling off the Albanese government. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you just look at this week so far. You've got
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  Speaker 1: coal exports being attacked by global warming policies of the kind,
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  Speaker 1: you know, this government promotes. And you've got business in
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  Speaker 1: revolt over the credit card surcharge ban that Albanese falsely
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  Speaker 1: claimed would cut prices. Another terrible week, of course, for
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  Speaker 1: home auctions last weekend after Albanese's tax hits on negative
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  Speaker 1: gearing and capital gains. When I say Albanese, I include,
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  Speaker 1: of course, Treasurer Jim Chalmers. The Prime Minister, meanwhile, faffing
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  Speaker 1: around at that farce of his $ 20 million climate conference.
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  Speaker 1: And when the opposition yesterday unveiled this big new immigration plan...
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  Speaker 1: The government couldn't come up with a word of criticism,
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  Speaker 1: like it was distracted or I don't know what it is.
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  Speaker 1: So no wonder today's News 24 Pulse poll shows Labor
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  Speaker 1: falling to the lowest primary vote support that is ever recorded,
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  Speaker 1: just 25% of voters, 25%. That's three points behind One
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  Speaker 1: Nation now. Nearly a million and a half fewer Labor
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  Speaker 1: voters today than at last year's elections. The coalition, though,
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  Speaker 1: of course, still trails at 21%. Joining me are Cameron Milner,
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  Speaker 1: former Chief of Staff to Labor leader Bill Shorten, now
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  Speaker 1: Director of GXO Strategies. If you're in the shtook, go
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  Speaker 1: to Cameron. And Holly Hughes, former Liberal Senator, now with
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  Speaker 1: One Nation. Cameron, things are so bad that Sherry Markson
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: on a show last night said some in New South
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  Speaker 1: Wales Labor want Anthony Albany's sack. Sack, Jim Chalmers. You
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  Speaker 1: yourself wrote something very similar yesterday, that it could be defenested,
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  Speaker 1: although I... Think the chances of Albanese sacking Chalmers are
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  Speaker 1: quite low, or am I wrong? Well, I think we're
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  Speaker 1: in uncharted waters, Andrew.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, this is a situation where Labor's primary is
• 21:13
  Speaker 7: the worst since Federation, worst in 125 years.
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: So this is in uncharted territory.
• 21:18
  Speaker 7: And, you know, Jim Chalmers and Anthony Albanese are the
• 21:21
  Speaker 7: Thelma and Louise, Thelma and Louise of Australian politics right now,
• 21:24
  Speaker 7: driving Labor across the cliff because the Labor primary hasn't
• 21:27
  Speaker 7: found a floor.
• 21:27
  Speaker 5: It's in freefall, Andrew, freefall.
• 21:29
  Speaker 7: And in uncharted times and unprecedented times, you know, extreme
• 21:34
  Speaker 7: action needs to be taken. And if they can't get
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: rid of Albo, the New South Wales right is coming
• 21:37
  Speaker 7: after Jim Chalmers.
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but Thelma and Louise went over the cliff together.
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: They were inseparable. I don't know that Albanese can separate
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: himself from Jim Chalmers, Holly.
• 21:49
  Speaker 8: I'm not sure they could pick up Brad Pitt either, but,
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: you know, hey, what would I know? But honestly, I mean,
• 21:56
  Speaker 8: these two are just a clown act and they are
• 21:59
  Speaker 8: completely destroying this country. Someone in the Labor Party has
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: to stand up. I mean, Cameron, there are good people
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: in there. How can they be letting these two socialist
• 22:10
  Speaker 8: nutjobs destroy this country at a rate of knots? And
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: that's what they're doing. But the fact of the matter
• 22:16
  Speaker 8: is Australians deserve the opportunity to vote these people out.
• 22:20
  Speaker 8: And the earliest we can go to an election is
• 22:22
  Speaker 8: August next year. So with any luck, we can actually
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: get an election and get rid of these clowns before
• 22:30
  Speaker 8: they do any more damage. However, either way, they've got
• 22:33
  Speaker 8: seven or eight months, nine months that they can still
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: wreak havoc in.
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: Now, but Cameron, what could Labor do to get out
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: of this absolute mess? It seems to me at the moment,
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: They've been frozen with a strategy that is, well, you know,
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: One Nation is going to implode at some stage, which
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: it still hasn't done, or that, you know, One Nation
• 22:58
  Speaker 1: will take so many votes away from the Liberals and
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: vice versa and blah, blah, and we'll come through the
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: middle like Stephen Bradbury. Those seem to be its two
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: big hopes, but I'm not sure that it could count
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: on that for much longer. What does it need to
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: do itself?
• 23:15
  Speaker 7: Well, it needs to stop having false hope, false hope
• 23:17
  Speaker 7: that the two-party preferred is actually covering up their disaster.
• 23:20
  Speaker 7: I mean, you can't have one in four Australians voting
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: for the major party, one in four Australians voting for Labor.
• 23:25
  Speaker 7: That's a disaster, Andrew, total disaster. So, no, and Labor's
• 23:28
  Speaker 7: problem is that they haven't worked out that the May
• 23:30
  Speaker 7: budget was the icing on the cake of this disaster,
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: the icing on the cake, and that's the problem. They've
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: been in freefall ever since the May budget as they've
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: gone and had a war on aspiration, a war on wealth,
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: and unfortunately... destroying our economy in terms of what they're
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: doing both for small businesses, households and the wider economy
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: as well.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: To your point, Holly, something has to give.
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: Absolutely.
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: Well, it's interesting. Holly, you know, you've got One nation
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: going from strength to strength. People still, you know, like
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: I said, they keep predicting it's going to fail. It
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: hasn't yet. I still think there's, you know, a lot
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: of potential things that can go wrong. And the coalition
• 24:07
  Speaker 1: is still way behind them and both parties on just 21%
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: in this poll. Do you think the coalition might gain
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: ground with its new immigration policy?
• 24:19
  Speaker 9: I don't think so.
• 24:20
  Speaker 8: I think it's like turning up to the grand final
• 24:22
  Speaker 8: after everyone's already left and gone home. Everyone else has
• 24:25
  Speaker 8: announced a policy. They look like they're just trying to
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: copy One Nation and haven't done it even as successfully there.
• 24:32
  Speaker 8: I mean, who is going to sell it? I mean,
• 24:34
  Speaker 8: if you saw the press conference trying to announce it,
• 24:37
  Speaker 8: it was just an embarrassment. And the only one who
• 24:40
  Speaker 8: I would have put any faith in trying to sell
• 24:42
  Speaker 8: this message is John O'Donoghue, and he's eyeing the door
• 24:45
  Speaker 8: as quickly as possible. So, look, I found the whole
• 24:49
  Speaker 8: thing incredibly strange. I think the fact the NOM is
• 24:53
  Speaker 8: a very tricky thing to do. If you listen to
• 24:55
  Speaker 8: what the Coalition shadow ministers have been saying throughout this
• 24:59
  Speaker 8: whole debate is that the NOM is a tricky number
• 25:02
  Speaker 8: to predict, and yet they came out with this absolute
• 25:06
  Speaker 8: declaration of what their NOM would be, and I just
• 25:09
  Speaker 8: don't think it's rinsing with anybody. I think it's too little,
• 25:13
  Speaker 8: too late, and no-one believes them anyway.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: When you say NOM, you mean the net overseas migration numbers?
• 25:19
  Speaker 8: Net overseas migration.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not that damning, to be honest, Cameron.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: I thought Angus Taylor yesterday and on the interview just
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: then spoke with more conviction than I normally hear and
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: also he's thought through the numbers, he's got economic arguments
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: for everything that's thrown at him. It seems well rehearsed,
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: which you can't say Pauline Hanson's immigration... It was, you know, yes, no, this, no,
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: we mean that, or the definition, all that kind of thing.
• 25:54
  Speaker 1: It was not thought through, even though, you know, it's tough.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: What did you make of it?
• 26:02
  Speaker 7: Well, I think, going back to the point before, I mean,
• 26:03
  Speaker 7: Angus Taylor and the Liberal Party have got a huge problem.
• 26:06
  Speaker 7: You know, six months ago they were losing votes to
• 26:08
  Speaker 7: One Nation. Now One Nation's picking up Labor votes. And
• 26:10
  Speaker 7: this is the problem for the coalition. It doesn't matter
• 26:12
  Speaker 7: what their policy is. They're coming third, Andrew. They're coming
• 26:15
  Speaker 7: third and a bad third because Labor's lost the working
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: class to One Nation now.
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: Votes are shifting across.
• 26:20
  Speaker 7: The Labor Party's basically a bunch of latte sippers and
• 26:22
  Speaker 7: social elites.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: The Liberal Party, you know, maybe.
• 26:25
  Speaker 5: A few business people.
• 26:26
  Speaker 7: The One Nation is this juggernaut, and that's the problem.
• 26:29
  Speaker 7: You won't stop One Nation's juggernaut with a simple policy.
• 26:32
  Speaker 7: To your point, though, I think it was a good
• 26:34
  Speaker 7: policy in terms of what Angus Taylor had to say.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: He's actually set out a number.
• 26:37
  Speaker 7: He set out a policy and a platform to achieve
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: that number, which is probably a first for what we
• 26:42
  Speaker 7: expect from Angus in terms of what he's done in
• 26:43
  Speaker 7: the past. So, yeah, credit to the fact that he's
• 26:45
  Speaker 7: done the work, but the One Nation juggernaut is well
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: and truly on the way.
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: Well, it's a hell of a contrast to the Labor
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: immigration policy, which turned out to be, we're going to
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: cut people on working holiday visas who are mainly Europeans
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: or Japanese, no one we worry about, but we are
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: going to keep that doubling of the refugee and humanitarian intake,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: which is mainly people from Syria and Afghanistan.
• 27:11
  Speaker 6: Hmm.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm not quite sure that answers what the public's
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: up to. Holly, today we've got another example of Labor's
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: disastrous political strategy, which apparently is, you know, let's first
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: make a business, you know, really struggle for ideological reasons,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: and then we'll throw taxpayers' money to bail some out
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: that we actually like. example today was, we've got a
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: water buyback scheme that has made it really hard for
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: a rice factory that's now going broke. Oh, let's throw
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: its $ 14 million of taxpayers' money to keep going, just
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: like it throws money at smelters to deal with the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: power prices driven by its green policies. I mean, what
• 27:56
  Speaker 1: the hell is this?
• 27:57
  Speaker 8: Well, you couldn't make this stuff up. I mean, this
• 27:59
  Speaker 8: is literally their own policy agenda that is causing these problems.
• 28:03
  Speaker 8: Water buybacks are a disaster and the way that they've
• 28:06
  Speaker 8: separated from the farms. I mean, remember when Penny Wong
• 28:09
  Speaker 8: was Water Minister, she bought the wrong farm. I mean,
• 28:13
  Speaker 8: these guys have got no.
• 28:14
  Speaker 9: Idea what they are doing.
• 28:16
  Speaker 8: They don't understand agriculture. The fact that they want to
• 28:19
  Speaker 8: cut backpacker visas just shows how out of touch they
• 28:22
  Speaker 8: are with rural and regional Australia and how we can
• 28:24
  Speaker 8: get a workforce out there. But it is impossible to
• 28:28
  Speaker 8: do business, whether you're big business or small business, and
• 28:31
  Speaker 8: everything this government does makes it harder, whether it's the
• 28:35
  Speaker 8: bailouts for Tomago. or whether it's now for Sunrise, it's
• 28:39
  Speaker 8: all because of their own failed policies. And don't forget,
• 28:42
  Speaker 8: Chris Mintz has got legislation in his upper house at
• 28:45
  Speaker 8: the moment trying to push through more powers for the
• 28:48
  Speaker 8: planning minister so they can turn the landscape of rural
• 28:53
  Speaker 8: and regional New South Wales into an absolute behemoth of
• 28:56
  Speaker 8: wind turbines whilst they can't find a dollar to fix
• 29:00
  Speaker 8: our roads or our health systems. So, you know, they're
• 29:03
  Speaker 8: a disgrace from woe to God and all of their
• 29:06
  Speaker 8: policies are destroying our country.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Well, I think the Sunrise decision is just pure labour.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Pure labour. It really is. Like all those other bailouts
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: of the Tomago or other smelters or the way alloy
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: steel works. I mean, honestly, if that's our future, we
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: are stuffed. Cameron Milner, Holly Hughes, thank you very much
• 29:27
  Speaker 1: to you both. After the break, three years since the
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: October 7 massacre, why those three years since have been
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: even more terrifying? This might seem a digression before I
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: get to my guests, but looking at the riots in France,
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: I'm seeing a telling truth about the pro-Palestine protests that
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: have ripped through the West since the October 7 massacre
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: of Jews three years ago today. These riots, more like
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: A civil war, really. Quarter of a million protesters yesterday
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: confronting police. They're supposedly by students demanding better schools, yet
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: at the same time they're burning and looting them and
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: attacking dozens of teachers. But see how many of the
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: students are of Middle Eastern or African background. Muslims, many
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: carrying the Palestinian flag as well. Some attacking white people
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: like this mother, father and their son. one even reportedly
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: threatening to kill police in the name of Allah. To
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: the cheers of the crowd. Now, you're seeing here a
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: merging of enemies of the freedoms of the West. You've
• 30:43
  Speaker 1: got the Marxist left whipping up the right's, And Muslims
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: who have also joined together these two forces in vilifying
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Jewish Israel so viciously that Jews around the world do
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: not feel safe. And we see exactly the same merging
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: here as well. Last month's socialism conference at Sydney University
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: didn't just preach Marxism, communism, revolution and love of Lenin.
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: didn't just preach against our democracy, but covered the lectern
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: with a Palestinian flag while the young idiots sang the Internationale,
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the hymn of communists everywhere. Yep, totalitarians everywhere, pro-Palestinian movement,
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: haters of Israel, they're all merging with our far left,
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: all enemies of the West. But to today's October 7th anniversary,
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: when we remember that horror in Israel, the day started
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: here with the Jews and others gathering at Bondi to
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: commemorate not just October 7th, but the Australian version of
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: it at Bondi last December. There are more ceremonies tonight,
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: but the haters are out as well. The anti-Israel ones
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: who once again couldn't let Jews mourn in peace. There
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: was a mercifully small such vigil in Melbourne for the
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: Palestinians killed in the war that Hamas terrorists in Gaza
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: actually started on October 7. A small one, but heated
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: with protesters shoving away a man with an Israeli flag
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: and then scuffling with the rebel news journalist Avi Yemeni,
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: who's also Jewish, when he tried to interview them. There
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: were bigger pro-Palestinian events today by equally shameless protesters in Sydney.
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: And around the world, we've seen this perversion of pro-Palestinian
• 32:31
  Speaker 1: protesters not wanting Jews to be seen as the victims
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: of a terrible slaughter, but essentially as people we should
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: actually blame for being so evil that nice Palestinians on
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: that October 7 were forced to slaughter them. It really
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: is that sick. Joining me is Mark Sofer, the best
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: ambassador Israel has ever sent to Australia. He was also
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: Deputy Director General of Israel's Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Mark,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: great to talk to you again. Three years since October 7.
• 32:57
  Speaker 1: Since then, Israel has essentially destroyed its terrorist enemies militarily,
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: but seems to have lost the propaganda war, with Jew
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: hatred now becoming mainstream in the Western left.
• 33:11
  Speaker 9: Well, I wouldn't say destroyed, but certainly significantly weakened. The enemies, unfortunately,
• 33:16
  Speaker 9: they're still there. Hamas, Hezbollah, the Iranian regime, etc. But
• 33:21
  Speaker 9: I think you're correct on the on the propaganda part,
• 33:23
  Speaker 9: but also the movement from what we have seen for
• 33:28
  Speaker 9: so many years has been the purview of the extreme right.
• 33:31
  Speaker 9: I'm talking of anti-Semitic bigotry of hatred of Jews has
• 33:35
  Speaker 9: now what we are seeing over the past few years
• 33:37
  Speaker 9: is now quite clearly and quite palpably part of the
• 33:40
  Speaker 9: extreme left as well. It's come out of the woodwork.
• 33:43
  Speaker 9: And we saw this just a couple of days ago
• 33:45
  Speaker 9: in the UK with the Greens party passing, which cannot
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: only be considered a massively anti-Semitic decision in its annual conference,
• 33:55
  Speaker 9: basically saying that every country and every people have the
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: right to self-determination except for the Jews, and that when
• 34:01
  Speaker 9: the Jews do it, it's racism. And so, therefore, we
• 34:05
  Speaker 9: are seeing unfortunately, last swaths of the parts of population
• 34:09
  Speaker 9: of the extreme left joining hands, joining forces with the
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: extreme right in this massive Jew hatred. And it's come
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: to the fore in the past few years, sadly.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: I find it absolutely sickening. I did try to warn
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: about this development for many years, but not much luck.
• 34:29
  Speaker 1: And now look at this. Now, as you know, the
• 34:32
  Speaker 1: very same phenomenon has happened right here in Australia. Did
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: you see this Jew hatred coming?
• 34:41
  Speaker 9: Well, I don't think that anybody saw the developments or
• 34:45
  Speaker 9: the horrors of what happened in Australia over the past
• 34:49
  Speaker 9: few years, manifested first and foremost, of course, by the tragedy,
• 34:54
  Speaker 9: the horrific terrorist attack in Bondi, but it wasn't the
• 34:58
  Speaker 9: only one. Now, nobody really saw it coming to such
• 35:01
  Speaker 9: an extent. People knew that there was a undercurrent of people,
• 35:08
  Speaker 9: of some people who were basically anti-Jewish, but nobody believed
• 35:13
  Speaker 9: anything of this nature, I think, not in the Jewish community,
• 35:16
  Speaker 9: not in the body politic, and certainly not here in
• 35:18
  Speaker 9: Israel either. And I think that when Prime Minister Albanese
• 35:21
  Speaker 9: says that these acts are very un-Australian, of course, he's correct.
• 35:26
  Speaker 9: They are un-Australian. It's not part and parcel of the
• 35:29
  Speaker 9: Australian civilized society, which is the vast, vast majority. But unfortunately,
• 35:34
  Speaker 9: there are far too numerous a number of people in
• 35:36
  Speaker 9: Australia that don't hold Australian values. And so calling them
• 35:40
  Speaker 9: un-Australian is basically calling for what they actually are. They
• 35:45
  Speaker 9: don't hold the values, and they do hold values of hatred,
• 35:48
  Speaker 9: of terrorism. You mentioned earlier, Andrew, the demonstrations taking place
• 35:56
  Speaker 9: today in Australia, but not only in Australia, the 7th
• 36:00
  Speaker 9: of October protests. on certain parts of Australia and elsewhere.
• 36:07
  Speaker 9: And I really must say that, and I'm usually very diplomatic,
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: but the people demonstrating today, when Israelis were massacred in
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: massive numbers, raped, tortured, pillaged, taken hostage, those who are
• 36:21
  Speaker 9: demonstrating today in favor of the Hamas are really, I
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: must say, the dregs of society. I have no other
• 36:27
  Speaker 9: word for them. They could have demonstrated on any other day, tomorrow,
• 36:30
  Speaker 9: the next day, but the fact that they're doing it
• 36:32
  Speaker 9: today is proof that they actually support this massacre, they
• 36:36
  Speaker 9: support the hatred, and unfortunately these people exist. It's a
• 36:40
  Speaker 9: tragedy and a travesty that they do.
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, look, I think it is deliberate as an attempt
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: or maybe as a betrayal of their thinking that Jews
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: had only themselves to blame for being massacred, raped, beheaded
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: and kidnapped. It's just, to me, morally incorrect. disgusting. I mean,
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: I know I'm supposed to reach out to people who
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: don't agree with me and, you know, try sweet reason,
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: but this is beyond the pale. But what does this
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: tell you? Does it tell you that so many in
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: the West only like Jews when they suffered, when they
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: ran to the execution pits and to be gunned down
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: by Nazis, not when they now defend themselves?
• 37:26
  Speaker 9: Well, the West is a very broad concept, and I
• 37:28
  Speaker 9: think we have to be very careful to distinguish between
• 37:31
  Speaker 9: the West or even and especially criticism of Israel. Many
• 37:35
  Speaker 9: of us here are very critical of the current Israeli
• 37:37
  Speaker 9: government and anti-Semitic. And not every act of criticism towards
• 37:43
  Speaker 9: Israel is anti-Semitic. However, as we say, you know, paranoiacs
• 37:47
  Speaker 9: also have enemies. And unfortunately, in the anti-Israel brigade, there
• 37:51
  Speaker 9: are not small amounts of anti-Semites as well. So yes,
• 37:56
  Speaker 9: I think that we do see here a hatred of Jews.
• 38:00
  Speaker 9: We're seeing it across the world. And I think it
• 38:02
  Speaker 9: has to be tackled. It has to be tackled by education.
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: It has to be tackled by measures of defense. Jews
• 38:08
  Speaker 9: will continue to defend themselves and Israel will continue to
• 38:11
  Speaker 9: defend itself wherever and however and wherever is necessary. However,
• 38:16
  Speaker 9: it must be tackled and we cannot, we will not,
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: cannot and must not sit idly by when we see
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: such things as demonstrations taking place today of all days
• 38:26
  Speaker 9: on the 7th of October, celebration of death, killing and terror.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: Now, I think it's a wider project that we have
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: to actually stop demonising Western civilisation, of which Jews have
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: been such a key part, in fact, progenitors of Western civilisation.
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: That is a sickness that's underlying it all as well.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Mark Sofer, thank you so much for your time. After
• 38:50
  Speaker 1: the break, Gemma and Caroline, I'm really looking forward to that.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: This Albanese government seems so dangerously naive, you know, blind
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: to dangers. The Daily Telegraph editor, Daily Telegraph, earlier this
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: year warned that some of our most sensitive military bases
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: have drones buzzing them nearly 150 times in one year.
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: and didn't shoot down one.
• 39:22
  Speaker 5: Couldn't.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: Just said to people, pull down the curtains. Now this
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: same Daily Telegraph report... says, hey, the Pentagon has ordered
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: undercover US agents to check if they could penetrate Australia's
• 39:38
  Speaker 1: naval bases. In a test of our security, given that
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: they've got this submarines deal and all these top secrets
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: and all this kind of stuff coming our way, it
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: turned out to be a piece of cake.
• 39:50
  Speaker 10: A defence source with detailed knowledge of the operation told
• 39:54
  Speaker 10: me that agents move through restricted areas, undetected and unchallenged,
• 39:59
  Speaker 10: and recorded areas under strict security controls. Nobody stopped them.
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: Oh no, said our defence minister, she'll be right.
• 40:10
  Speaker 11: I can assure you that we have been increasing our
• 40:14
  Speaker 11: base security across the entirety of the footprint of defence
• 40:17
  Speaker 11: and we work very closely with our friends and partners
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  Speaker 11: who operate from our bases and that very much includes
• 40:24
  Speaker 11: the United States but not just the United States.
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: Joining me are Gemma Tonini, columnist and communications consultant, and
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: Caroline de Russo, commentator and president of the West Australian Liberals. Gemma,
• 40:35
  Speaker 1: this naivety again. I mean, you've got the government going
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: so soft on China. It's not building up our military.
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: It's not tackling the explosion of Jew hatred, or didn't
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: until far too late. Not cracking down on mass immigration.
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: It's given 3,000 Palestinians from terrorists around Gaza tourism visas
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: before any thorough vetting. On and on. There seems to
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: be a total lack of seriousness with this government.
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  Speaker 12: Well, of course there is, Andrew, and I'd like to
• 41:00
  Speaker 12: congratulate Mr Miles on a spectacularly delivered word salad there
• 41:05
  Speaker 12: that just said absolutely nothing. I mean, well done to
• 41:09
  Speaker 12: whoever media trained him, but he said nothing. He didn't
• 41:13
  Speaker 12: address the substantive claims in that report, which I personally
• 41:17
  Speaker 12: believe without hesitation, because You need to take a step back, Andrew,
• 41:21
  Speaker 12: and understand that ideologically this government is anti-war, doesn't believe
• 41:26
  Speaker 12: in war, doesn't believe we should be prepared for anything, has,
• 41:30
  Speaker 12: as you rightly pointed out, been so flippant with our sovereignty,
• 41:35
  Speaker 12: our security. on every iteration, defence underspending, all of the things. So,
• 41:43
  Speaker 12: you know, I was reflecting today, and I know we'll
• 41:46
  Speaker 12: talk about it in a minute, but the October 7th
• 41:48
  Speaker 12: anniversary and what would happen to this country if we
• 41:51
  Speaker 12: were subjected to the same kind of onslaught as Israel
• 41:55
  Speaker 12: was on October 7 and has been consistently since. The
• 41:59
  Speaker 12: only thing that we can be assured of is how
• 42:02
  Speaker 12: quickly this government would wet the bed. So when it
• 42:05
  Speaker 12: comes to defence, we are not in good hands. We
• 42:09
  Speaker 12: are more vulnerable than we were when the Albanese regime
• 42:12
  Speaker 12: took over. And I think that they deserve to be
• 42:15
  Speaker 12: continually pressured on this issue because it's a serious one.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: It seems to me, Caroline, sometimes that the government's living
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: in sort of la-la land, you know. Imagine that we
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: can change the climate when it can't, you know. Imagine
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: that China's not the threat that it is, which it
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: certainly is. I mean, what is going on, do you think?
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  Speaker 13: Well, I think you're being a bit kind to say
• 42:42
  Speaker 13: it's just naivety because if you're naive to something, that's
• 42:46
  Speaker 13: one thing. But when people give you information and you
• 42:48
  Speaker 13: turn a blind eye to it or you don't action
• 42:50
  Speaker 13: it or whatever, that's a little bit more than naivety.
• 42:53
  Speaker 13: You know what it reminds me of, Andrew? You know when, like,
• 42:56
  Speaker 13: a toddler wants to play hide and seek and they
• 42:58
  Speaker 13: think that if they cover their own eyes that you
• 43:00
  Speaker 13: can't see them? That's what I think that this government.
• 43:04
  Speaker 5: Right? That's what I.
• 43:05
  Speaker 13: Think that this government thinks. They think that if they just...
• 43:09
  Speaker 13: If they pretend that it's all going to be OK,
• 43:12
  Speaker 13: then it will be OK. They'll just will it to
• 43:14
  Speaker 13: be OK. And this is maybe one thing in Australian
• 43:18
  Speaker 13: culture that I think sometimes is great in some senses,
• 43:22
  Speaker 13: but we let ourselves down a little bit.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: And it's this whole.
• 43:25
  Speaker 13: she'll be right mentality. And we've been a very, very
• 43:28
  Speaker 13: lucky country for a very, very long time. But like
• 43:31
  Speaker 13: with your superannuation, past performance isn't always an indicator of
• 43:35
  Speaker 13: future performance, Andrew. And I think you have to be
• 43:40
  Speaker 13: prepared for things to go wrong, even if, you know,
• 43:44
  Speaker 13: so far we've done OK. And this government, I think,
• 43:48
  Speaker 13: is getting to the point of being careless and and
• 43:51
  Speaker 13: reckless with our security and our future security, not just
• 43:56
  Speaker 13: our present security, you know, well into the future. Obviously,
• 43:59
  Speaker 13: defence things need.
• 44:00
  Speaker 5: To be planned.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: No, it's true.
• 44:01
  Speaker 13: Because it's been all right so far, so why should
• 44:04
  Speaker 13: we lift a finger? Like Gemma said, word salad, knock
• 44:07
  Speaker 13: the question off, move on to our next, you know, whatever.
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: Well, it's three years since Israel got caught out horribly
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: with complacency. ignoring some warnings that Hamas was building up
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: to something spectacular, which then unveiled itself on October 7
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: in horrific detail, the massacre of 1,200 Israelis, the kidnaps,
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: the beheadings, the rapes, all that kind of stuff. Gemma,
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: the three years since, though, to me, have been equally terrifying.
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: The Jew hatred that we've that has just gone around
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: the West and particularly here in Australia. You saw the
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: Bondi massacre, of course. What should we have learned from
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: these three years?
• 44:59
  Speaker 12: Well, thank you for pre-empting my weekend column, Andrew, so beautifully,
• 45:03
  Speaker 12: the one that's to come this Saturday. Look, I found
• 45:07
  Speaker 12: today I'm not often lost for words. Today I've been
• 45:10
  Speaker 12: lost for words. It felt like part of my heart
• 45:13
  Speaker 12: is like a hose with a kink in it. to
• 45:16
  Speaker 12: be honest, because like you, I sit here and say,
• 45:18
  Speaker 12: how are we still here? How are we still having
• 45:20
  Speaker 12: conversations in Australia about the safety of our Jewish neighbours
• 45:25
  Speaker 12: and friends and colleagues and brothers and sisters? And I
• 45:28
  Speaker 12: simply offer the same analogy that I have done all along,
• 45:31
  Speaker 12: like insert, take the word Jewish out and put Indigenous
• 45:35
  Speaker 12: in there and we wouldn't be having these conversations or
• 45:37
  Speaker 12: put any other ethnicity. It is an ancient hatred. It
• 45:41
  Speaker 12: is a vile, repugnant hatred. And I cannot believe we're
• 45:44
  Speaker 12: still here. But I also can currently know why we're here,
• 45:47
  Speaker 12: because we have a flaccid government that doesn't want to
• 45:50
  Speaker 12: confront anything that might involve any kind of strength or
• 45:53
  Speaker 12: losing some political bark. And I think the other thing
• 45:55
  Speaker 12: that Australians need to understand is we call it October 7,
• 45:58
  Speaker 12: but what Hamas have called it and what the Iranian
• 46:02
  Speaker 12: regime call it is Operation Al-Aqsa Flood. And it was
• 46:04
  Speaker 12: 10 years in the making. 10 years in the making,
• 46:07
  Speaker 12: 10 years in the preparation, funded at least in part
• 46:10
  Speaker 12: by foreign aid, your tax dollars and mine, as well
• 46:12
  Speaker 12: as funding from other state actors in the Middle East.
• 46:15
  Speaker 12: And so we sit here in our naivety and our
• 46:18
  Speaker 12: safety at a distance and the absolute audacity of this
• 46:22
  Speaker 12: government to lecture the Israelis on how best to protect themselves.
• 46:26
  Speaker 12: I will never pardon the foreign minister for saying show
• 46:30
  Speaker 12: restraint as Israeli women were being dragged into Gaza, gang-raped.
• 46:34
  Speaker 12: as little children were being shot dead in their beds,
• 46:36
  Speaker 12: families burned alive. I will never pardon that. And I
• 46:39
  Speaker 12: hope with all my heart that that ends up being
• 46:41
  Speaker 12: her legacy because it is a disgrace and it tarnishes us.
• 46:45
  Speaker 12: And even now, when our foreign policy as a country
• 46:48
  Speaker 12: in recognising a Palestinian state is applauded by the IRGC
• 46:53
  Speaker 12: and applauded by Hamas, a terrorist organisation, we should hang
• 46:57
  Speaker 12: our heads in shame.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: Too true. But, Caroline, I think it goes far beyond...
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: an errant government, to say the least. We have a
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: whole generation of children now who seem programmed to hate Israel,
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: to despise the West, to turn a blind eye to
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: Hamas terrorism, to march in our streets scaring Jews. I mean,
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: it's really frightening.
• 47:27
  Speaker 13: It is really frightening. And to what Gemma said, and
• 47:30
  Speaker 13: I suppose an overall point that goes to your remarks
• 47:34
  Speaker 13: just now, the best time to solve a problem is
• 47:38
  Speaker 13: as soon as you first become aware of it. And
• 47:41
  Speaker 13: if you don't do it as soon as you become
• 47:43
  Speaker 13: aware of it, the next best time is now. And
• 47:46
  Speaker 13: the problem is there has been a total failure of
• 47:48
  Speaker 13: leadership in this country to call out the BS when
• 47:52
  Speaker 13: it needed to be called out. at the Opera House steps,
• 47:57
  Speaker 13: across the bridge, at our university campuses, and then ultimately
• 48:02
  Speaker 13: with the catastrophic terrorist attack on Bondi Beach last year. Now,
• 48:09
  Speaker 13: you know, it's very, very difficult to say, had this
• 48:11
  Speaker 13: been done, this wouldn't have happened or whatever. We don't
• 48:15
  Speaker 13: know that. But we can always mitigate risks. And there
• 48:19
  Speaker 13: have been risks. Those risks have been obvious. Government has
• 48:24
  Speaker 13: known about them and the government has chosen not to
• 48:26
  Speaker 13: mitigate those risks. The people who should be showing leadership
• 48:30
  Speaker 13: have absolutely failed to show any leadership on this issue.
• 48:35
  Speaker 10: And that's why you have.
• 48:36
  Speaker 13: The problem with the generation of kids that hates Israel.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Fix the problem. You are so correct, but I would
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: add the vice chancellors of some universities, I would add
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: them as well, and the educators, all that kind of stuff.
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I've got to go. Carolyn DiRusso and the lovely Gemma Tonini,
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: thank you very much to you both. Coming up now
• 48:58
  Speaker 1: is Shari Markson. Good night.