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Interview with Matthew Patti · Alive & Kicking: Stories of Waking Up with Kay Eck

• 0:00
  SPEAKER_00: Hi, I'm Kay Eck, and welcome to my podcast, Alive and Kicking: Stories of Waking Up.
• 0:18
  SPEAKER_00: Welcome back, everybody.
• 0:20
  SPEAKER_00: Thanks for coming back to the Alive and Kicking podcast.
• 0:24
  SPEAKER_00: My guest today is my friend Matthew Patty.
• 0:28
  SPEAKER_00: And Matthew and I have not known each other that long, so I'm really looking forward to digging into a little bit of his story.
• 0:37
  SPEAKER_00: But I know that it begins in Australia and ends in the world at large.
• 0:48
  SPEAKER_00: But let's just dive right in and start talking about what we're here to talk about today, which is basically your story of waking up.
• 0:57
  SPEAKER_00: So to begin with, let's talk about your story.
• 1:03
  SPEAKER_00: What does awakening mean to you?
• 1:05
  SPEAKER_00: What is that whole process?
• 1:06
  SPEAKER_00: How would you define it?
• 1:07
  SPEAKER_02: What a great question.
• 1:09
  SPEAKER_02: Awakening for me, in my view, and through my experience, has been a self-realization, realizing who I am and what I am amidst the storyline that we've bought for ourselves and we've been taught all of these uh in this incarnation, in this this life so far.
• 1:33
  SPEAKER_02: So awakening is a realization of the greater self and a realization of the greater self in a greater part of the cosmos, of humanity, of the the movement of time and you know people.
• 1:48
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I mean, I guess that means that we're like born into a story.
• 1:53
  SPEAKER_00: We're born into some kind of story that doesn't necessarily belong to us, right?
• 2:01
  SPEAKER_00: What was your storyline?
• 2:02
  SPEAKER_00: What how were you, how did you what were you born into?
• 2:07
  SPEAKER_02: Well, I was born into, I guess you could say conservatively, you know, middle class, um, Catholic, you know, fairly religious, you know, doing all the certain things that you do with the baptisms and the confirmations or communions, yada yada, yada, all that sort of thing.
• 2:24
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, two very solid parents, very loving, you know, great, uh, great extended family.
• 2:31
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I say but loosely with that because mid-teens, when you've got all these hormones starting to flare up in the body and you're changing chemically, I started to look at things very differently, very differently.
• 2:47
  SPEAKER_02: From I guess it was from 15, 16, 17, you know, started to look at the world differently, looking at religion differently.
• 2:53
  SPEAKER_02: So all of a sudden, these perfect homes with perfect marriages, you know, with perfect families, with, you know, going to great schools, like, you know, we we were put in in uh you know, through private school all the way through, and very grateful for that.
• 3:09
  SPEAKER_02: Um and we were the only siblings or cousins or you know, uh kids that went to university on both sides of the family.
• 3:22
  SPEAKER_02: So it was, you know, breaking, breaking a mold there.
• 3:25
  SPEAKER_02: My my father did.
• 3:27
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and that's I guess where we followed his his um his lead on that.
• 3:32
  SPEAKER_02: But it was it was very interesting, very eye-opening.
• 3:35
  SPEAKER_02: And so, you know, I think my mum has often said, the moment I came out, I didn't crawl, I ran.
• 3:42
  SPEAKER_02: And that's pretty much, you know, it's been like run, Forrest, run.
• 3:46
  SPEAKER_02: That's pretty much it for the whole life.
• 3:48
  SPEAKER_02: Just go into the world, just do it, you know.
• 3:51
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 3:52
  SPEAKER_00: So it sounds like those teen years were really pivotal for you.
• 3:56
  SPEAKER_00: And as you were talking about the role of the hormones, I started to think about, you know, kind of the the big moments in life that um in which these shifts can occur.
• 4:08
  SPEAKER_00: And I I do sometimes think that there could be like a hormonal component, like it's almost like the the canon, you know, fodder that sends the ball out into the universe.
• 4:20
  SPEAKER_00: Because I like you think about like adolescence, and then certainly menopause for a lot of women, uh, or pregnancy will kind of like change things for you as well.
• 4:31
  SPEAKER_00: So I've never really thought about that.
• 4:33
  SPEAKER_00: And then you have a you have a medical background, you are a physiologist, and so how did that so you must have been on a track to to go to university and do this and become that.
• 4:47
  SPEAKER_00: How did that play out for you?
• 4:49
  SPEAKER_00: Did was there a point where you stepped off the track?
• 4:53
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, definitely.
• 4:55
  SPEAKER_02: Um I became very interested in, I guess, very basic esoteric arts when I was um in my eight, nine, ten, you know, mysteries of the unknown and all and secrets of the universe and all those sorts of things, as you know, being a quantum curious type of kid, maybe a little bit of an oddball, who would know?
• 5:15
  SPEAKER_02: But you know, that started to expand as I left school because I'm born in December.
• 5:20
  SPEAKER_02: So I'm I'm I left school at 16.
• 5:22
  SPEAKER_02: I graduated grade 12, uh, you know, senior year at 16.
• 5:26
  SPEAKER_02: So I hadn't actually turned 17 yet.
• 5:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, so from those years on until early 20, I was very physical.
• 5:33
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I played rugby union at quite a high level, and you know, movement was very important to me.
• 5:39
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so moving into the world of health and wellness and you know, the medical fraternity was a natural progression for me because I was so curious about the body and I I wanted to understand everything.
• 5:55
  SPEAKER_02: So I, from my metaphysical side, you know, in my late teens, early twenties, you know, doing face reading, palm reading, uh, auras, learning how to tap into my intuition, you know, crystals and tarot and whatever it was, I did it.
• 6:10
  SPEAKER_02: Massage, you know, certificates would cover my wall, which are just ridiculous.
• 6:14
  SPEAKER_02: I've not had them up in decades.
• 6:17
  SPEAKER_02: But um, yeah, it's just a bit of paper.
• 6:20
  SPEAKER_02: But so that really helped me frame um, I guess, in my energetic lens or my the lens that I could look at the body with from a uh material perspective, you know, the flesh, blood, bones, ligaments, organs, tissues, all those sorts of things.
• 6:36
  SPEAKER_02: Uh, and so really it was a fantastic journey.
• 6:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, you know, I and wore spandex for probably about 10, 10 years, 15 years.
• 6:48
  SPEAKER_02: I was doing aerobic instructing.
• 6:50
  SPEAKER_02: I presented, you know, all over the world, and I was in, you know, aerobic championships in my early, very early 20s.
• 6:56
  SPEAKER_02: It just, those are the days I actually had hair on my head, but not on my body.
• 7:00
  SPEAKER_02: Now it's just totally reversed.
• 7:01
  SPEAKER_00: You know, I hope I hope and pray there's some video from that era because I really hope not.
• 7:09
  SPEAKER_02: I really hope not.
• 7:11
  SPEAKER_02: The um that was funny.
• 7:13
  SPEAKER_02: So, so you know, moving forward, I actually, like all of us, you know, I enjoyed it and I loved the people that I worked with, and I loved the the community and the evolution of you know clients and business and growing businesses very early on in the health space.
• 7:29
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I always had uh mentors that were older than me, substantially.
• 7:34
  SPEAKER_02: I'm talking at least one, if not two decades older than me, from a very young age.
• 7:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, my first mentor was a doctor, and he was in his 70s, and his name was Dr.
• 7:47
  SPEAKER_02: Bovey.
• 7:48
  SPEAKER_02: And he and his wife used to, every Sunday I used to go and weed his garden beds, and he had 112 rose bushes.
• 7:56
  SPEAKER_02: And I was 12 at the time, and he used to pay me$5 cash an hour, and I'd do two to three hours every Sunday morning, and he'd sit down with me and have a lemonade and then talk to me about things.
• 8:07
  SPEAKER_02: Most incredible, incredible guy, you know.
• 8:10
  SPEAKER_02: So in the health industry, as I was started to say and got a little bit distracted, is you know, at times we bounce around between, do I really want to be in it or am I ready to move on?
• 8:23
  SPEAKER_02: And there were several moments like that.
• 8:25
  SPEAKER_02: I I that went through probably you could say a six or a seven year cycle.
• 8:30
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I'd say, am I ready to do something else now?
• 8:33
  SPEAKER_02: Like I've I've got so many badges from the the the scouts or the you know, the uh boys' brigade or whatever you want to call it metaphorically.
• 8:43
  SPEAKER_02: And I just I'm constantly wanting to learn and acquire new knowledge.
• 8:47
  SPEAKER_02: But it it really, by the end of two decades, I was done.
• 8:52
  SPEAKER_02: I was absolutely done.
• 8:53
  SPEAKER_02: You know, having different things, explored different things in different countries, different types of uh working environments, and I knew I was ready, my consciousness was ready, my spiritual self was ready for a big shift.
• 9:06
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 9:07
  SPEAKER_00: So it sounds like you had like your your professional track where you were tending to patients and some of them high level and fancy and whatnot, and then you had your esoteric or metaphysical practices running underneath that and informing them.
• 9:26
  SPEAKER_00: But how did you bring the two together?
• 9:28
  SPEAKER_00: Was that a difficult thing for you to do?
• 9:31
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it it was, and looking back on it now, um, I probably should have gone and joined a brotherhood or something so at least I could speak to someone because you know, people often talk about, you know, the Freemasons or these other brotherhoods or societies that are actually very, you know, white-collar professionals quite typically that have a very deep, steep mystical and metaphysical esoteric understanding.
• 9:59
  SPEAKER_02: There was part of me that, you know, wished I'd gone and done that earlier because I did find it quite difficult.
• 10:05
  SPEAKER_02: It was a it was a little bit of uh, I felt like a circus performer sometimes.
• 10:12
  SPEAKER_02: And I did play on it, to be honest.
• 10:14
  SPEAKER_02: Like with some of my my clients, I would say, you know I can see into your body.
• 10:19
  SPEAKER_02: And they go, What?
• 10:21
  SPEAKER_02: And I'd only say that like one out of maybe 10 or 20 times, because I could trust them and they could trust me, and there was a good rapport there.
• 10:28
  SPEAKER_02: And they go, What do you see?
• 10:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I'd I'd explain what I saw, whether it was, you know, ovarian sort of in in things or something in blood clots or something in joint pain or inflammation, whatever, and they go, That's that's absolutely amazing.
• 10:41
  SPEAKER_02: Um, but I was afraid to actually come out with that more because most people were they were in a structure, they were in uh a preordained framework of institutional thinking, and you can't possibly reflect upon energy, the body is energy, and everything around it.
• 11:07
  SPEAKER_02: Uh that's not what we do.
• 11:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I think that was part of my what's the word part of why I felt so restless two or three or four times, because I couldn't be my full self.
• 11:21
  SPEAKER_02: I was I I and looking back on it, blaming our external environment is never the key, and we can use it as a crux or an excuse, but I looking back on it now, I just wasn't ready.
• 11:34
  SPEAKER_02: I wasn't ready to step into my full genius and my full power.
• 11:38
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 11:39
  SPEAKER_00: So that's the professional um side of it.
• 11:45
  SPEAKER_00: How did your mystical path influence your personal life?
• 11:50
  SPEAKER_00: What was what was happening there?
• 11:52
  SPEAKER_02: Well, that was fun behind the scenes because again, it it ended up being like a bit of a you know, uh conversation starter with friends, and you know, if you're out in in some great company and you'd you'd bring out your mat your your uh your a bag of magic tricks, you know, those sorts of things.
• 12:11
  SPEAKER_00: Party tricks.
• 12:12
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, the party tricks, and they're just it's shallow and it's boring, and it only lasts a certain period of time, and it gets burnt off, no one really remembers it.
• 12:21
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, you're you're I felt like an anomaly.
• 12:23
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I felt like.
• 12:25
  SPEAKER_02: And I unbeknownst to myself through those years, I was actually searching for myself.
• 12:33
  SPEAKER_02: I was really searching for who I who I really was and am.
• 12:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and so leading, you know, through a series of events from I'd say 2009, 2010, all the way up to 2012, the end of 2012, there was a huge shed, shedding and unwinding of most, if not all areas of my life.
• 12:56
  SPEAKER_02: Financially, relationally, you know, uh culturally, all these sorts of things were starting to shed and unwind.
• 13:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um, and I could see that there was a pattern forming.
• 13:06
  SPEAKER_02: And essentially I was the phoenix.
• 13:09
  SPEAKER_02: I was getting disintegrated, the old self, my old identity, to a point where, you know, late in 2012, there was uh, I call it my one moment, one message, one mission.
• 13:22
  SPEAKER_02: It just was that lightning strike.
• 13:24
  SPEAKER_02: And I was with a mentor at the time, and we looked at each other after, you know, being in each other's environment and serving 500 people over a four-day intensive in this uh entrepreneurial community.
• 13:35
  SPEAKER_02: And he looked at me and I looked at him, and time evaporated, and at the same time, everything dilated, and I received this enormous download of information, and that then set me the the the winds changed my direction, uh, direction and uh trajectory of the sails, and away I went, yeah, yeah, from there.
• 13:58
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, there's two things I want to explore within what you just said, and one of them is something that has really been on my radar, and one of the reasons why I wanted to talk to you today is because my impression is that there aren't a lot of resources for men in particular through this process, and it this the process has been sort of um has has occurred in the collective mostly through the feminine, and um you know, of course, the that makes it more difficult.
• 14:37
  SPEAKER_00: There's more I feel like there's more structure, um, more expectations around men, and so the exploration of this type of thing is even more difficult.
• 14:48
  SPEAKER_00: And the the flip side of that, or the the uh the second component to that is that this process, which is the whole reason why I wanted to do this this podcast, is that it can sometimes look like you're falling apart, that things are are disintegrating.
• 15:06
  SPEAKER_00: You use the word disintegrating, and so how would you um communicate to people, you know, that that how what what where that process goes, how that feels and where it goes and where you reach for support.
• 15:20
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, nice one.
• 15:22
  SPEAKER_02: Love that, love it.
• 15:24
  SPEAKER_02: I I learned reasonably quickly, I wouldn't say the fastest of all, but I learned reasonably quickly to observe what was going on.
• 15:37
  SPEAKER_02: And I could feel it, I could feel, you know, sure we we can feel it so viscerally when our life is disintegrating, when relationships are falling apart, or communication, or you know, uh partnership pipelines with business, you can start to see it.
• 15:50
  SPEAKER_02: And the the point there is to step back.
• 15:52
  SPEAKER_02: And so I learned probably over a period of a year or two to step back and to observe what was going on and not to lean in and try and fix, because that was always my style, lean in and try and fix.
• 16:06
  SPEAKER_02: And so when I'm a so to step back and to observe means I'm observing what is going on, and I can now with new awareness, I can start to say, I can see where that's going.
• 16:20
  SPEAKER_02: I can see there's an unwinding or a shift that's occurring.
• 16:24
  SPEAKER_02: I might initially, without fully understanding what's happening, feel a little bit of fear or maybe contraction or whatever it may be, or maybe even feel excited by the change.
• 16:34
  SPEAKER_02: But at least by observing it, I could not be in it and be blinded by it.
• 16:42
  SPEAKER_02: Because that's that's I I was there for a number of years.
• 16:46
  SPEAKER_02: Um, not with, I would say probably with blindfolds on, metaphorically, you know, because I I didn't know what I didn't know.
• 16:54
  SPEAKER_02: And yet it was happening all around me.
• 16:57
  SPEAKER_02: So in order to see more and to have a broader vista, step back and observe, and there are patterns that start to play out.
• 17:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I started to notice patterns, which were are my environments giving me signs?
• 17:12
  SPEAKER_02: Like, well, have I been happy in this environment for a certain period?
• 17:15
  SPEAKER_02: And now all of a sudden I'm becoming frustrated more easily or anxious in over uh over something so small, and it could be noise, typically, it's noise, or it's things like internet.
• 17:27
  SPEAKER_02: It's a it's the plastic nature of the external reality that started to change.
• 17:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I went, right, there's a pattern here.
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_02: So you're it's so I'm responding and therefore reacting differently to my external environment, which means I must be ready to shift.
• 17:47
  SPEAKER_02: And what I did is I just sat with it and I thought, Matt, there is fear and it's okay.
• 17:55
  SPEAKER_02: Go into the fear.
• 17:56
  SPEAKER_02: And what is it that, although you're feeling that fear, what is it that is calling you forward?
• 18:00
  SPEAKER_02: What is it that you would love to do next?
• 18:02
  SPEAKER_02: What is it that you feel drawn to leaning into?
• 18:06
  SPEAKER_02: And I just have that open conversation with myself.
• 18:09
  SPEAKER_00: Wow, that's really powerful.
• 18:11
  SPEAKER_00: So it's kind of like what was falling away for you was any kind of falseness in any type of situation that you were in.
• 18:20
  SPEAKER_00: It's like, here's your falseness.
• 18:23
  SPEAKER_00: Do you want to get this?
• 18:24
  SPEAKER_00: Or would you like to discard it and try something true?
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: Right.
• 18:29
  SPEAKER_00: That's kind of, you know, everything presents itself for you to choose, you know, like you want to stay this course that feels so uncomfortable somewhere in your body or your mind or your spirit, that's the call, right?
• 18:45
  SPEAKER_00: To look at it and to see yes or no, or what else?
• 18:49
  SPEAKER_00: Or um, yeah, that's that's the path, right?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_02: So totally, yeah.
• 18:55
  SPEAKER_00: Did so as you were um stepping off of that prescribed path and onto a path that was truer to you and your heart, how did that did did the people around you, you know, jump on board?
• 19:09
  SPEAKER_00: Did they, were they like, yeah, go for it, or was it a challenge for them as well?
• 19:15
  SPEAKER_02: I think there was a bit of both, to be honest.
• 19:18
  SPEAKER_02: And what I came to understand through some of those changes was that everyone has their own rhythm and their own way of understanding change and appreciating change.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_02: So some people might sort of say, Oh gosh, I don't like my brother, I don't know how you do what you do, but it really pisses me off how you get seem to get out of the tighter situations, you know, or whatever.
• 19:44
  SPEAKER_02: I guess it's people say happy go lucky, or the planets must be aligned, or it's fortitude or whatever it is.
• 19:50
  SPEAKER_02: But it it has actually, for me, it was recognizing that everyone has their path.
• 19:58
  SPEAKER_02: And although I still needed to build my bridge into my new world and my new level and grow a new level of confidence, and that's a key word, grow that.
• 20:08
  SPEAKER_02: So I needed to water that through repeated thought and action and those things.
• 20:13
  SPEAKER_02: Um, I still wanted people to come with me, but I wasn't going to stay forever and say, keep coming, keep coming, keep coming.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_02: Like I see a lot of my clients and a lot of, you know, we we hear a lot in in uh the these communities.
• 20:28
  SPEAKER_02: People do want to shift and change, and yet I feel guilty to shift and change, or I want to bring my family or my friends with me.
• 20:34
  SPEAKER_02: When in fact, when I sat with it over a period of months, they were just my crux for keeping me safe and secure.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_02: They it it actually had nothing to do with feeling guilty about moving forward.
• 20:48
  SPEAKER_02: It was about how brave and courageous I felt in stepping forward myself because I'd played by the rules knowingly, unknowingly, willingly, and not so willingly for such a long time.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 21:03
  SPEAKER_00: And I guess there are situations where some of the relationships do end up falling away, but many of them are just transformed.
• 21:13
  SPEAKER_00: You're transformed, and therefore the relationships are transformed.
• 21:17
  SPEAKER_00: And presumably you also carry those into the better, a better place with you, right?
• 21:23
  SPEAKER_00: Like your relationships become better, more true, less plastic.
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, yeah, most definitely.
• 21:30
  SPEAKER_02: And and it is actually a gift to move forward because those of us that can move forward, and everyone has that capability to move forward on your dreams, to lean into a desire, to expand and find your edges.
• 21:45
  SPEAKER_02: We all have that capability.
• 21:48
  SPEAKER_02: Deep within people's subconscious, although they may appear to resist and almost retaliate to change, they are actually receiving a gift as well.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_02: And so I've had So many people, you know, over the years say, you know, like two decades on, say, you know, you really touched my life and changed my view of the world, not necessarily because of what you said, but because of what you did at the time.
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_02: The just that decision, I now have perspective and thank you.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
• 22:18
  SPEAKER_02: And that's not why we make our change, but invariably, yeah, it's the ripple effect, isn't it?
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: So what are what are you doing, what does your life look like now?
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: How do you how does this practice of looking for the truth and expressing the truth that you are, how does that manifest in your life now?
• 22:40
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, great question.
• 22:42
  SPEAKER_02: Still learning, still learning a ton.
• 22:45
  SPEAKER_00: Um hashtag, that's like one of my favorite hashtags, still learning.
• 22:48
  SPEAKER_00: Anytime, like, you know, somebody slings something at me and like, hey, still learning.
• 22:55
  SPEAKER_02: Still learning, absolutely.
• 22:57
  SPEAKER_02: So, so my my core philosophy is that the world is my home and everyone in it is my family.
• 23:03
  SPEAKER_02: You know, I've always had been very restless in the sense of, did I want the perfect house with the perfect family with the picket fence and the two dogs and the and the and the children and all the rest?
• 23:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, there was a part of me in my early days that did, and and I have four beautiful children and I love them absolutely deeply and immensely.
• 23:21
  SPEAKER_02: But what am I here to do?
• 23:23
  SPEAKER_02: I'm here to be me.
• 23:24
  SPEAKER_02: I'm here to show up and to be me.
• 23:26
  SPEAKER_02: And my biggest lesson that I'm still learning, hashtag still learning, is um to it's not what I do in the world anymore.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_02: I'm the one thing.
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_02: We're all the one thing.
• 23:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's what I choose to do in the world, and so because I go with me, and my purpose goes with me, and the impact and my the relationships that I build and the the gifts that I receive from others and relationships and connectivity, it it's all comes with me, you know what I mean?
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_02: So this old and um sort of avatarial notion that we need to be one thing for the rest of our lives got blown out, you know, a decade or so ago.
• 24:11
  SPEAKER_02: They've still got remnants of it, you know, focus on one thing in business, focus on yada, you know, and so people find it very difficult when you've awoken and when you've expanded your energy, your crown chakras open, your heart chakras open, you're receiving untold uh bits of information, billions and billions of bits of information.
• 24:30
  SPEAKER_02: So you're all gonna always gonna have a great idea.
• 24:32
  SPEAKER_02: However, where a lot of people fall down and they uh loosely speaking, they waste a lot of time and energy by making excuses, is they don't realize that they're the one thing.
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_02: It doesn't matter what you do, show up in your fullness and present yourself, your gifts, your purpose, because you're it baby.
• 24:52
  SPEAKER_02: That's the next hashtag, you're it baby, you know.
• 24:55
  SPEAKER_00: I love that so much.
• 24:57
  SPEAKER_00: That is oh yeah, that's awesome because it allows for you know so much softening into your experience, and that it, you know, if you can get on that surfboard and ride the wave, then you know, you're flowing with life and not against it, trying to, you know, be something you're not or do something you don't want to do or any of that.
• 25:26
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 25:27
  SPEAKER_02: And that's the big question, which I continue to ask is what lights me up?
• 25:32
  SPEAKER_02: What lights me up?
• 25:33
  SPEAKER_02: And you know, to the point that, well, different things light me up on different days.
• 25:38
  SPEAKER_02: That's cool.
• 25:39
  SPEAKER_02: Some people are are so you know liquid in their in their view of the world that what was good yesterday doesn't mean it's good today.
• 25:47
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_02: So but that's cool.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_02: However, to build dots, uh what I call a string of pearls, which are not random experiences, they're very intentional experiences is to lean into yourself more, lean into yourself more and to show up more in in but in different ways, explore your edges.
• 26:10
  SPEAKER_02: So, you know, travel for me has always been big, adventure, you know, being remarkable, living a remarkable life, still learning, still learning.
• 26:19
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 26:20
  SPEAKER_00: So do you have specific practices um in place in your life that give you the space and time and support to be evaluating what lights you up?
• 26:32
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 26:33
  SPEAKER_02: Every every morning and every evening I I call them my my bookends.
• 26:38
  SPEAKER_02: So I I essentially stack awareness.
• 26:41
  SPEAKER_02: So at the beginning of the day, then you know, when I wake, I wake early, and normally I would reflect and I would just be present and feel into my body and then do a gratitude practice, and then I would meditate.
• 26:59
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes when we travel and it's out of time zones, sure, it might not be two hours, it might be like 35 minutes or or 60 minutes.
• 27:07
  SPEAKER_02: And then I do a quick bit of journaling.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_02: So I just unpack the three things that I'm grateful for uh and the three things that uh I'd love to manifest or see happen or you know, come onto my path today.
• 27:20
  SPEAKER_02: And then during the day, most days, not every day, but I typically take an hour out to just imagine.
• 27:28
  SPEAKER_02: So I lie down in a reclined state, and I don't have any music, I don't have any any distraction, and I just imagine.
• 27:36
  SPEAKER_02: And I just I just go with whatever, and because I want to keep my imagination strong and I want to explore all the ways that I can imagine because that's how we create our reality.
• 27:49
  SPEAKER_02: And then in the evening, something very similar that winds me down, and uh, you know, I might might read a text or something like that, something that's you know, typically ancient.
• 28:00
  SPEAKER_02: I I typically read at night.
• 28:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: I that um idea of imagining is really critical, I think.
• 28:12
  SPEAKER_00: And what I have found is that you know, our imagination is somewhat limited in terms of just like what we've been exposed to, and I've often felt like there's like sort of a bubble um over me that prevents me from imagining, like I can't even imagine what I'm supposed to be imagining.
• 28:37
  SPEAKER_00: How do you break through that?
• 28:38
  SPEAKER_00: How do you let the imagination expand, ever expand?
• 28:45
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, that's another great question.
• 28:49
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:50
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it it is a great question because it's one that I I consistently as best I can ask myself that if I am whilst I'm imagining, I'm not the key to expanding your imagination is to be attached, not to be attached to a single thing while you're imagining.
• 29:09
  SPEAKER_02: And what that means for me is that halfway through I might go, Well, is that the limit that I could imagine that too?
• 29:17
  SPEAKER_02: And I'd say no, and then I'd keep imagining.
• 29:20
  SPEAKER_02: So I just keep asking myself, is that an edge?
• 29:22
  SPEAKER_02: And sometimes it's an edge, or it's you know, and then I think, well, what's beyond that?
• 29:28
  SPEAKER_02: So, well, if I say I don't know, I actually love that response because to me it's like an invitation to explore.
• 29:38
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, yeah.
• 29:39
  SPEAKER_02: So so it's asking that question.
• 29:41
  SPEAKER_00: I can feel the the weaving through your your experience of the inquiry, the self-inquiry, you know, constantly stepping back outside of the you know, the mental or whatever, observing and asking, asking questions.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: Would you agree that that's been an important yes?
• 30:05
  SPEAKER_02: So I've gone from potentially Odie the dog running around licking everything and wanting to have fun and play and explore and super curious to maybe you know a little bit more of a mature version that is happy to be still and step back and to observe, you know, um, like you, I you know, uh I was born with a lot of words, so it's now just having the the the patience and the uh I guess wisdom to lean in when, not all.
• 30:39
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
• 30:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 30:41
  SPEAKER_00: So um what's lighting you up currently?
• 30:43
  SPEAKER_00: What are you doing?
• 30:44
  SPEAKER_00: What's what's happening there?
• 30:46
  SPEAKER_02: Well, what's happening there?
• 30:48
  SPEAKER_02: I've been asked that a number of times the last week, which makes me chuckle.
• 30:51
  SPEAKER_02: Like, what's happening over there?
• 30:52
  SPEAKER_02: And um essentially everything that we've discussed, or most of what we've discussed so far, is occurring right now in in like a time space anomaly.
• 31:03
  SPEAKER_02: It's it's essentially stepping back, observing, and then leaning in, stepping back, observing, and leaning in.
• 31:11
  SPEAKER_02: And I'm doing that more and more each day because there are changes to my business model, there's changes to who I'm serving, there's changes to where I'm living and where I'm exploring and where I'm being called to and drawn to, and who and and when I want to connect, that it's changing very quickly.
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_02: However, if I present it as a bit of a neural map or like a network, like an energetic network, it does feel like all these jigsaw pieces are available and they're just resting into place one by one.
• 31:49
  SPEAKER_02: And but at least by acknowledging that, I can say, well, precision is available, therefore, there is no rush.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_02: Therefore, you know, when I feel the rise of impatience in me, which is I want it tomorrow, or why is I I want it here now, then that's uh that's what I'm leaning into.
• 32:09
  SPEAKER_02: So it is more of a worldview.
• 32:11
  SPEAKER_02: I do want to be more on the ground in North America, um, especially in 2020, and spread into more, uh exploring more into Europe in 2021.
• 32:21
  SPEAKER_02: Um, Australia will always be my home, and it's uh and uh I guess a grounding station for me.
• 32:29
  SPEAKER_02: But one of my evolution, evolutionary um uh ahas is saying it doesn't have to be all things.
• 32:40
  SPEAKER_02: It's like you know, when you're code in a codependent relationship with an employer or a partner or a bank or uh whatever, and there's this disdependency that's there.
• 32:51
  SPEAKER_02: No, you're you're the butterfly and you are the hand at the same time.
• 32:55
  SPEAKER_02: Release both and they they will simultaneously exist when they're when they're uh and provide provide the resources when they're needed.
• 33:04
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:05
  SPEAKER_00: I I think that sometimes this this path of awake of continuous awakening, it typically is not, you know, one and done.
• 33:13
  SPEAKER_00: That's just not how um you do tend to your life tends to continuously expand.
• 33:23
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you you always have the opportunity to say, no, or not yet, or give me a minute, or what you're completely in charge of it, but you do tend to the borders of your life tend to, you know, keep growing outward and outward as I'm speaking you to you from the south of France.
• 33:42
  SPEAKER_01: Yes.
• 33:43
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm yeah, and um so how does that how do you get comfortable with that?
• 33:50
  SPEAKER_00: How do you um you know get comfortable in circles?
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_02: Love the question.
• 33:59
  SPEAKER_02: I think well, I feel I feel although continuous expansion is unnecessary and unrealistic, it's important to take a pause and to ground and to assimilate and integrate as as we go through.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_02: So it could be like going to the south of France and having a couple of weeks where you do nothing, where you're just with self, with contemplating thought and being curious, being philosophical, whatever it may be.
• 34:26
  SPEAKER_02: You know, it could just be you know, um being around great people and having, you know, uh watching reruns of friends or whatever it's gonna be.
• 34:36
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 34:38
  SPEAKER_02: Um a lot of I find in the work that I do that there we operate in bandwidths.
• 34:44
  SPEAKER_02: So when we're ready to move through a perceived ceiling, we will push against that and want to explore it, maybe one little trip or one little conversation or whatever it may be.
• 34:54
  SPEAKER_02: But there's a there's a seed that we're already planting on the other on the ceiling, which is now becoming the new floor, if you know what I mean.
• 35:01
  SPEAKER_02: So we're planting seeds above us so that we can bridge our way to that new experience.
• 35:08
  SPEAKER_02: However, if we expand too quickly, and I've seen this done before, then we snap back.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_02: There's this plasticity that snaps us back, and it's almost like people go back to sleep a little bit.
• 35:20
  SPEAKER_02: And they they go they go back into their old life or they go back into a way similar to their old life, and they might go, hey, I'm fully awakened.
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_02: You woo-hoo! And you go, actually, if you look at the essence of your old life and you draw the essence of it forward now, are you happier?
• 35:38
  SPEAKER_02: And they might go, uh, yeah, sort of, but I'm awakened.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_02: You go, no, like they're they've actually just replaced the the um the objects and things and the identity with something very similar, but with new clothing.
• 35:54
  SPEAKER_02: It's like the emperor's new clothing, they've just replaced that.
• 35:57
  SPEAKER_02: So expanding for expansion's sake is unnecessary.
• 36:02
  SPEAKER_02: I feel, and I know I have a sense that you you would feel the same, that we know when we're called to create to start planting seeds on on new new floors.
• 36:14
  SPEAKER_02: It we we don't need to try in the effort, it actually unwinds the natural progression of our expansion.
• 36:22
  SPEAKER_02: So when there's a restlessness, I see restlessness as a uh a really fertile ground for expansion.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_02: And I must say, I'm as restless as all hell right now.
• 36:35
  SPEAKER_00: I don't think you're alone.
• 36:36
  SPEAKER_01: Um no, I don't think so either.
• 36:40
  SPEAKER_00: You know, it's interesting because um the the what when you're saying what you're saying, and it's making me realize that the the patience is required not in the expansion, but in the lulls between allowing yourself to rest, allowing yourself to be purposeless or taskless or whatever, you know, that's that's what requires the real patience, at least for me, since something that's the genius to doing, you know.
• 37:14
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, I'm the same, yeah, without doubt.
• 37:17
  SPEAKER_02: And and patience really is if you knew that everything was inevitable, that that is the golden word, inevitability.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_02: Your awakening is inevitable, your happiness is inevitable.
• 37:34
  SPEAKER_02: You know, if we let everything go, the inner inevitability floods in and fills the space.
• 37:43
  SPEAKER_02: And so with with patience, calling myself out on that at times as well, it's why am I being so impatient?
• 37:50
  SPEAKER_02: Is it because I want to be distracted so that I'm not feeling what is available right now, which is stillness?
• 38:00
  SPEAKER_02: Is am I wanting to be impatient because I want what I can see and feel into to hurry up and be real more than my body is telling me it is or my mind is showing me it is.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_02: So all these all these points, which I think in in the conversations that you and I have had, um, you know, those two or three hour breakfasts at 1440 several weeks ago, which I absolutely loved, and I just I keep reflecting back to those.
• 38:27
  SPEAKER_02: I think that that is actually a great business model and a great life model to just have two to three hour breakfasts with great people everywhere around the world.
• 38:37
  SPEAKER_02: You know what I mean?
• 38:38
  SPEAKER_02: Like imagine the conversations you have and they fill you.
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_02: And then you just float and you'll expand and innovate and integrate between the next one.
• 38:49
  SPEAKER_02: And that's that's where I think the impatience is for us in in our humanness, is I I'm seeking pleasure, I'm seeking fulfillment, I'm seeking meaning.
• 39:00
  SPEAKER_02: However, I I feel strongly, and I have this from a lot of my clients and a lot of my network, that we're ready to move, we're ready to really shift and to connect and and to be hashtag, you know, freematic, you know, to really the world is our home.
• 39:18
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, and people in it.
• 39:20
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that that's been so just such the incredible gift of saying yes, even though it's scary and um can be really challenging when things fall apart, is this knowing that how much how your life will be enriched by the connections that you'll make and then the new things that you'll discover, and it's like, oh, you know, it's just like makes me so happy.
• 39:50
  SPEAKER_00: And I just want everybody to to know that that that is on the other side.
• 39:55
  SPEAKER_00: It is not about the difficult journey, it's about the beautiful growth and connection and um all the magic that happens when you meet like-minded people and you know have a three-hour breakfast.
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, absolutely, every day for four days.
• 40:14
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, yeah.
• 40:16
  SPEAKER_02: And I I think that's people's deepest fear is that they will lose connection to what they've always known, and not have something new that is definable and meaningful for their waiting for them when it is.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_02: But that's why you know, so many still stay in the same environment, in the same state of consciousness, because everything's a state of consciousness, you know, from one environment to the next, one relationship, one family, one job, whatever.
• 40:50
  SPEAKER_02: It's all just a state of consciousness.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_02: But this is the beautiful thing now is more and more of us are wanting to gather and to explore different states of consciousness through a sense of a greater sense of unity.
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_02: Say, actually, I'm not who I thought I was for even those last six months.
• 41:11
  SPEAKER_02: I've changed because of my environment now.
• 41:13
  SPEAKER_02: Yeah, you know, again.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, oh, that's wonderful.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, so um, thank you so much for sharing all that with us.
• 41:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I'm wondering if you're ready for the lightning round.
• 41:25
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 41:26
  SPEAKER_02: You've warmed me up.
• 41:27
  SPEAKER_02: I'm ready to go.
• 41:28
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 41:30
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: Who do you admire and why?
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_02: Oh, big inhalation there.
• 41:38
  SPEAKER_02: I would definitely have to say one person, gosh, that's really, really, really difficult.
• 41:53
  SPEAKER_02: The first person that comes to mind beyond the usual that people go for is is my father.
• 42:02
  SPEAKER_02: And it's for a very different reason.
• 42:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's because he made a decision about two decades ago or 15 years ago, and he stuck to it.
• 42:11
  SPEAKER_02: And in making a decision, it has not been easy for him.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_02: But in doing so, he has created the ripple effect, as we called uh called out earlier, uh, strength and independence and inside vulnerability.
• 42:27
  SPEAKER_02: And so being staunch uh and realizing behind his decisions in life there is a deep, deep love behind those decisions.
• 42:40
  SPEAKER_02: That's I I honor that.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: Wonderful.
• 42:44
  SPEAKER_00: All right, how many hours of sleep do you need?
• 42:48
  SPEAKER_02: Do I need?
• 42:50
  SPEAKER_02: Gosh, I could I I I think six is is uh is pretty good.
• 42:56
  SPEAKER_02: Eight, I like to get eight just so my body can actually dream.
• 43:01
  SPEAKER_02: I can do different things, yeah.
• 43:02
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, okay.
• 43:03
  SPEAKER_00: Do you would you rather um ask permission or beg forgiveness?
• 43:08
  SPEAKER_02: Beg forgiveness.
• 43:11
  SPEAKER_00: Why?
• 43:12
  SPEAKER_02: Because I know myself, I'm intimate enough with myself to know that I am not going to hurt someone else intentionally through uh a usual way.
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_02: It might be a misunderstanding, but it's because I would follow my hunch or my gut or lean into a desire that has other people in mind.
• 43:37
  SPEAKER_02: So it it's yeah, so it'd be like, yeah, yeah, that's it.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_00: Nice.
• 43:42
  SPEAKER_00: Okay.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: On a scale of one to ten, where would you place your karaoke skills?
• 43:52
  SPEAKER_02: Based on the feedback I had at the beginning of the year, I think I would get maybe eight for courage.
• 44:00
  SPEAKER_02: And two for talent.
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: That's funny.
• 44:08
  SPEAKER_00: Okay, what's your dream job?
• 44:11
  SPEAKER_02: Doing what I'm doing, just expanding that right.
• 44:14
  SPEAKER_02: Well, it's human potential, it's upgrading the human experience, engaging people, growing myself, helping other people realize how beautiful and awakened and super powerful they are.
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_02: That's what I love.
• 44:29
  SPEAKER_00: Lovely.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: All right.
• 44:31
  SPEAKER_00: So do you um did you bring a question for me today?
• 44:36
  SPEAKER_02: Yes, I did.
• 44:40
  SPEAKER_02: What thinking to a time where you were battling to make the right decision?
• 44:51
  SPEAKER_02: How did you come to know that what you decided was the way forward?
• 45:01
  SPEAKER_00: Oh my gosh.
• 45:03
  SPEAKER_02: Um could have been, you know, what's your favorite color, but that's not that's not not appropriate.
• 45:10
  SPEAKER_00: This is yeah.
• 45:11
  SPEAKER_00: Um, well, I mean, let's be honest, it's not um sometimes the decision that needs to be made is the thing that you're holding at bay.
• 45:25
  SPEAKER_00: And every big decision, every small decision that I face, my number one priority is kindness and softness to myself, and that typically means that I allow myself to delay making the decision if I'm not ready, or to decide and then change my mind, or to make a decision and make a mistake.
• 45:57
  SPEAKER_00: Like there's nothing that I can do that I don't hold myself in that soft container.
• 46:05
  SPEAKER_00: And of course, this I I did this for other people long before I ever did it for myself.
• 46:11
  SPEAKER_00: So I had to, that was a long process of coming to that uh to that point.
• 46:17
  SPEAKER_00: So, and and sometimes you're in a situation where you really just don't want to make that decision, it's just hard, and you know that other people aren't gonna like it, and I allow myself to, you know, postpone or delay or you know, make like I said, make mistakes.
• 46:32
  SPEAKER_00: So, yeah, that'd be my answer to that.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: Love it.
• 46:35
  SPEAKER_02: So glad I asked that question.
• 46:37
  SPEAKER_02: So much better than what's your favorite color, that's for sure.
• 46:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_00: It's genius.
• 46:41
  SPEAKER_02: Love, love hearing that that wisdom come forward.
• 46:44
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, thank you.
• 46:45
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you.
• 46:46
  SPEAKER_00: Well, Matthew, it's been so awesome to be with you.
• 46:50
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for tuning in all the way from Australia.
• 46:54
  SPEAKER_00: Maybe we can get together in France next year.
• 46:57
  SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
• 47:00
  SPEAKER_02: That would be awesome.
• 47:01
  SPEAKER_02: Let's let's put make that a point of light.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_02: All right.
• 47:04
  SPEAKER_02: It's been great, it's been great having this conversation, and your questions are off the charts.
• 47:09
  SPEAKER_02: Extraordinary.
• 47:10
  SPEAKER_02: I love them and and your energy.
• 47:11
  SPEAKER_02: So thank you.
• 47:12
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you so much.
• 47:13
  SPEAKER_00: Thank you for being with me.