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The Seven Husbands of Evelyn Hugo - by Taylor Jenkins Reid · Lose the Plot with Carla and Emily

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  Hi, friends. You're listening to lose the
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  plot with color and Emily in this episode.
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  We are reading the seven husbands of Evelyn Hugo by
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  Taylor Jenkins, read warning, there will be spoilers.
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  I'm Carla and make them pay you what?
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  They would pay a white man. I'm Emily.
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  And I don't think I could handle one husband, let alone.
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  Seven, I picked this book and I had no idea about it because I
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  never look into books too much. Yes, I want to be surprised.
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  I personally probably wouldn't pick it but I loved reading it,
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  so it's fun. You like I like I was surprised
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  surprised. The main character is Monique,
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  she's a journalist. Yeah, she gets word from her
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  boss that one of the greatest movie stars of all time, once
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  her to interview her and only her, and only her, only her,
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  just like what the heck. And she's trying to wreck her
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  mind about how could this lady want me specifically?
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  She's a bottom tier writer. She doesn't get a lot of
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  writing. Mmm.
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  She doesn't do celebrity piece. Is not there.
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  She's does a bit of research, even tries to ask your mom.
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  She's like, is there any connection?
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  Because it's no idea. Well, her dad used to work in
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  the movie Biz a little bit back in the day, but that's about it.
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  So she's just like, what the hell but whatever goes along
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  with it meets up with her that would be so intimidating.
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  I guess I'd be terrified Evelyn doesn't do interviews and hasn't
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  for years yes she doesn't want to do them.
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  She doesn't talk about a Well life, and she's kind of retired
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  from the show business life. Yeah, she 79.
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  Yes Point. Yeah, she's kind of old.
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  She's old. She's done.
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  She's happy. And she thought she was going to
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  interview her about how she's donating a lot of her.
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  Her seven drechsel items. Yeah.
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  Yeah. All of her.
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  Really nice dresses. Yeah charity.
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  So she thinks it's going to be just a small boring piece.
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  Yeah. And her boss is like trying to
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  get something juicy, try and get some info about her life I
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  guess. Seven husbands.
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  Mmm. Yeah, because she has been so
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  elusive, no one knows anything. And the only things that people
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  do no other media reports that were, sometimes manipulated very
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  that she was very Gossip, Girl, lie to you, they were very
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  Gossip Girl. Yes, I know and they were from
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  like the 50's and it was amazing how they can insert a little bit
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  of a media report and it would sound very XOXO Gossip.
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  Girl, it was so good though, I love those bits.
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  Yeah, they were great. So what are we Ink of Monique.
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  I guess I was the main character.
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  We, she's not really amazing. I don't think she's.
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  Yeah. I gotta she's the vessel.
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  She's the supporting me. She only gets very little bit.
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  It's told through her. I suppose, as she's got a very
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  sad depressing life was so this. Well, personally she's just
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  going through potential breakup with her husband and her little
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  side journey is pretty much her finding that she doesn't need
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  her husband, she finds out through Evelyn to Yeah, well,
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  everyone, just comes into her life, like a complete wrecking
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  ball. I know, it's fucks everything up
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  kind of thing. Very own brand.
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  Yes, exactly. Her personality type, but she
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  comes in and then she's practically like, okay, I want
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  you to write my biography. Yes, and she's like, what the
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  hell? And she's like, it's going to be
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  worth millions and millions and millions.
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  Let them pay you what? They would pay a white man for
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  it. Sort of that, get everything you
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  want out of it. She's confused.
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  Oh, I love how many can actually cause other start.
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  She's Of me, kind of normal, whatever.
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  And then she all of a sudden boss, bitches up.
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  Yeah, to her boss. This is her growth if you get
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  very small parts of her, but it's worth it.
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  Oh yeah, it's good. Then Evelyn's like, yeah, don't
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  worry about your magazine that you work for and she's like,
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  Evelyn, I kind of need to have a job.
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  I need to work. Yeah.
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  I need to feed myself basically like so quit even.
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  Put some still gives her. No little crumbs.
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  No. Nothing.
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  No. And she kind of said, she just
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  it'd need To be you or no one kind of thing and my necks just
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  like and then is this a bit much, but also has an audience
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  knows that there's going to be something down the track.
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  There's going to be some connection, gobble it up.
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  Gobble. Gobble gobble, we're just
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  sitting there like, Lulu, there's going to be something I
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  wasn't confused about where the book was going.
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  But, you know, I was just so confused that a, yes, well, I
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  had no idea. That was the thing at the end
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  that blindsided me, because I had no idea, I'd go that way.
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  So, it was a well-done twist. It was, I love how she is.
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  She was already really nervous to meet Evelyn because obviously
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  she's is a list of yeah, from way back.
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  As soon as she gets to her house and her house Keepers there.
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  Would you drink a coffee? You're probably going to shit
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  yourself. She's already like would, you
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  know, you probably going to shit your pants on everyone.
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  You guys couch. That's probably bills it.
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  She wouldn't even mind. Well, she'd be there for.
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  I feel like she would be there for that so far in chaotic is
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  chaotic and I don't know whether I love her.
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  I hate her. She's so polarizing.
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  Even when she was younger, she had an ego just her whole life.
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  She's like, no. This is just what you do.
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  You just use people and she just had the thirst.
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  No. But she needed that though
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  because she was, like, sexualized from like 13.
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  And she's like, I'm getting out of Hell's Kitchen.
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  If I ever go too far, Like if I'm going to get sexualized,
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  it's going to benefit me. And only me, only me and I'm
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  going to be rich. I'm going to be effluent famous.
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  Well, it didn't hurt that. She was breathtakingly.
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  Beautiful. Yes.
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  The author's definitely leaned into people like Elizabeth
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  Taylor with the multiple multiple husbands.
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  Yeah. And also a lot of the actresses
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  that they did have to in ways change their ethnicity.
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  Yeah. So she change her eyebrows.
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  And completely, I had to defile. The book is entirely based on
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  the misogyny racism, sexism problem.
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  Yep. - I really like the fifty sixty seventy eighty s.
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  Yeah. And before, and it's very
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  stereotypical Hollywood and racism to.
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  Yeah, definitely gives you an idea of how things were back
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  then. Yes, actually, I wouldn't.
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  It wouldn't go well for anyone to be like that now, but it was
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  very was a hairy I don't even think it was hairy.
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  Oh maybe Harry. That was like you won't get the
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  part because you're Cuban. Yeah, it might have been.
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  Well yeah, he was pretty straight up with her all the
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  time at the start of the book. I was like, okay, okay, we get
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  it, they kept going on, we get it Evelyn's a gilf.
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  I think every time she like farted, it would be like thought
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  just wafted through deliciously blond locks.
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  Look at what the fuck. We get it.
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  He's guilty. She's the hottest person on the
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  planet. We getting old Kitty.
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  I know gravity is not holding them down, gravity.
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  Did not even touch them. So they were past but I was
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  already getting like hos ready. Getting you bashed about how
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  beautiful this woman is I'm like we get it.
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  That's files a little bit confused and start and I didn't
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  think I was gonna like it. But yeah, it's just like a drag
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  for the first part which is mine.
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  I get it. Yeah, but you need it there for
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  it to all make sense and it's so annoying.
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  Well, it's sort of Set you up for what you thought was going
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  to be different book. You know, way because life was
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  just full until dawn, Apple life was going exactly how she
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  wanted. And she's super assertive super
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  where she described what she wanted.
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  Yeah, nothing went bad. So it's really interesting,
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  Monique and that initial meeting she was like dropping and
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  staining, she don't like those look like is that much and I
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  didn't care the like whatever, but she's literally me just
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  dropping him because he's going Dropping and Stadium.
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  Ouch. Everybody trusts Evelyn no
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  Angelina Jolie like later. In life came up to you and said
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  you're going to do my, whatever wall.
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  I would think I was going to be a sacrifice.
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  I got naughty naughty naughty. Once we establish that my next
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  gonna just get down her Memoir and everything, she's like,
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  okay, I'm just gonna do it. We start getting the whole full
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  life story from Evelyn's perspective, That's why
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  Monique's, not really the main character.
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  So we start off with Annie, who is?
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  He's, like, 21 I think, yeah, when she meets him, but she was
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  her to get out to get out of Hell's Kitchen, and she married
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  him very quickly, and she was 14 14, and she told him she was 16.
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  She's like, I'm getting the fuck out of here, but her dad, signed
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  the papers. So he kind of suspected.
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  My didn't say anything about it either.
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  It's a relationship like with her dad.
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  He was abusive, so getting our town was her keeping her safe
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  from like right, dad, taking advantage of her.
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  That's where she thought I was going to go, right?
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  But it's interesting that he signed the papers.
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  Yeah, because I wonder maybe he was just like one less mouth to
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  feed. But yeah, so she saw this guy.
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  She's just like, this is my chance and isn't it?
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  Because he had some work in? Yeah, Hollywood sort of thing.
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  Yeah. And she was just like, yeah,
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  this is my chance. He makes money for her to go to
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  school and Him to work and then to eat properly and have new
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  clothes, but she never went to school anyway.
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  She spent her entire time out like Anodyne.
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  ER, waiting for people. Yes.
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  Yes. That's right.
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  And so, she married this Ernie Diaz guy, right?
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  Yes, she just married him with so quick on the marriage.
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  Yeah. On every single person, I know
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  this is not a, I was being nice marriage.
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  The only way to God, I was thinking, why is marriage only
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  PR move? What's that?
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  The only PR move back in the day.
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  Do we not just date people for fun.
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  Now, don't you? Just date Pete Davidson.
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  It's a realtor than your PR is like we call.
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  That was probably Rex North. I reckon, ha ha ha, isn't that
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  hilarious? Like what that you had to go
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  through that back then and that got you in the papers and that
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  made your movie Cell? That's so terrifying.
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  But it I guess it kind of happens.
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  You know? Like PR relationships.
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  Yeah. Have a pair people to make it
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  look like they're a couple for. Happens all the time time.
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  Yeah. But you don't go through with
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  the marriage us. There's some of these marriages
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  where I was like, why you immediately deciding dude, that,
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  I mean, we'll get to them, but some of them I was just
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  straight-up. Like, why Ernie makes sense.
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  Okay, yeah. He was at the ticket out.
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  He was a ticket out and the ticket to become an adult to be
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  able to do what she wants and if fourteen-year-old pretending to
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  be 16, but then married. So you get more privileges when
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  you're married, I guess. Yeah.
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  She used that opportunity to get really small little extra
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  background. Rules and stuff.
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  And she was hanging out in that Diner, trying to meet casting
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  directors. Producers, don't yell at me
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  about whatever. She wasn't a very good actress.
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  Yeah, she's just one whatever. She just wanted it bad enough.
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  I believe this is where she meets Harry.
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  I'm almost sure its yeah, yeah. It's pretty early on.
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  He's just shocked by how pretty. She is.
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  And then next thing you know, she was in Parts.
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  Yeah. She got signed to sunset sunset.
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  Yeah. And Harry was kind of because he
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  was a producer He got her. Not like he didn't get her
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  roles, but he helped ya career. Basically, she used is so gross.
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  She uses re re used her, I suppose.
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  Hmm him being a pedophile. Hmm, to get a kick out of her
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  and then, yeah, it was to start. Yep, that's how she cast in a
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  proper role. Yes, she sold her body to this
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  pedophile. Yeah, which I'm sure that would
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  terrify me with a not terrify. You probably she doesn't care.
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  She was Like, I don't even like what's happening in the SEC.
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  She's like, I'm just going to use it as a stepping stone to
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  get what I want. Yeah, she can care.
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  She's not really participating. She was like, whatever I'm here.
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  Which is, she was, technically married until I'm surprised.
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  They didn't use that when she was getting like black bold
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  against the studio. Hmm.
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  Well, he wouldn't have said anything because then he admits
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  to being a pet owner and he probably had a wife.
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  Yeah. So So when Evelyn was 18, she
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  met Don Adler yet, who is a very handsome up-and-coming movie
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  star? Basically Rich family also works
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  at Sunset. Yes.
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  She was such a baddie because she told him to change his eyes
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  if you want to date me. You need to change your day.
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  Yeah, it's not a waste. It was not an if not was
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  well-liked, you tell me right now.
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  Yeah, because he said I've got a date lined up with this other
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  girl after their first date and she was like, if you want to go
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  on a second date, Me, you're not gonna go on the state.
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  Yeah. And he promptly changed it.
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  Yeah, very quickly. And this was the first time she
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  actually had a reciprocal feelings for a guy.
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  Yeah, ever. Yeah, she loved on.
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  She was like, he's hot. She's attracted to him.
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  She actually wanted to have sex with him.
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  He had a good time. I think they went out and like
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  partied. Yeah.
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  They had fun though, compatible? Yeah, which was shocking to her?
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  She was like, I never thought sex could be enjoyable or
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  anything. Yeah, which is really wild but I
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  guess it makes sense being 18. I mean he showed her the huge
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  engagement ring before hand and then you got to double-check
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  these things age and he just says I'm not proposing to you as
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  in. I'm not proposing to you and
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  then she got confused and thought he wasn't proposing at
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  all and she's getting pissed at him.
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  Yeah. And then he's like, I just need
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  to know that you're going to say yes.
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  When I do it in front of other people, I went after it was the
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  first red flag. I'm not a hundred percent said,
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  no, I would have said yes. And then wait till the public
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  and also Sky would have skyrocketed career.
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  Her saying no, to Don Adler on the red carpet, I would have
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  been beautiful. If we didn't even wrap up, the
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  only Diaz ocean. He's such a like it's nothing,
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  it doesn't even matter. It's just a stepping stone.
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  So what happened with him was she got bigger parts and then
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  she was just like, right? That would like, you need a
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  date. Someone like brick Thompson,
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  will totally, she just left him. Yeah, she was like, bye.
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  And she's like, I'm Gonna Leave You and you just cry.
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  Devastated little baby. Cried about it.
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  Yeah. He was like, I'm gonna I'm gonna
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  lose my life. He got married had a million
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  grandchildren, it's fine. He's good and he lived out his
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  days. Yeah, happy.
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  So anyway, back to Dawn would ye say yes to a red carpet
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  proposal. That's embarrassing.
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  But to her, that was probably the best thing ever.
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  She would eat it up. Oh yeah, leave no crumbs should
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  have said no, she said. Yes, because she was in love
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  with him. No, I just think it would be
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  funny. Oh yeah, yeah, that's
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  embarrassing. Sing to him the fact that he had
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  to ask beforehand though, shows that just insecure so he would
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  have not, that's so funny. He would have held that against
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  you for ever so gradually their relationship worsens because she
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  finds out Don's actually bit of a piece of shit as much their
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  working, life Riser. His ego takes a dive because
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  he's a shit actor. Well yeah, he starts making some
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  bad decisions. Sad movies.
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  Yeah. When he gets Pressured.
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  He takes it all out on her. Yeah, and he starts shoving her
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  and hitting her and he becomes a pattern and then he apologizes,
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  and then she gets raped in yet. She does love him.
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  So then she forgives him and she just goes her analyst cycle.
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  Yeah, it's pretty bad. I love how one day for her.
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  I think it was the first day of filming for Little Women.
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  You made her a half, a grapefruit and a lit cigarette
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  and not. So famous artist of kind of
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  practices that and she loved We love a low-maintenance queen.
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  What is what even is that? It's like a one cent breakfast.
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  That's what it is. But imagine back in the day
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  because smoking was encouraged to keep weight off.
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  Yeah, and it would have worked. So if I go back and watch old
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  school Hollywood movies, those women were encouraged by
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  nutritionists no less at the time doctors.
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  And when we, it's so funny because when we get further into
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  the book, when she's with people that love her, yeah, they don't
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  give a grapefruit and cigarette. So make a full-blown light up
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  eggs, bacon toast oatmeal, they're feeling and they make
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  sure if he's fat Read every single.
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  Exactly. But isn't that kind of like a
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  French breakfast? Isn't that very Glam?
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  What is it? I think so.
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  I'm surprised she didn't Gigi hadid's mom like, oh my God.
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  And then the point of contention was also that he wanted to have
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  a baby immediately. Yeah.
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  And he was into it, he wanted to be a dad and he wanted to be
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  This PR perfect family. Yeah, and she was like, I'm
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  really trying to focus on my career.
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  Like I'm trying to break out, she was still 18, she was still
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  18, she was not ready. And he was pressuring her he's
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  like no. I'm gonna look like a simp if
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  you don't. Yeah, but he was so mad because
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  he didn't want her to do better than him of course.
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  So he just wanted to not lock it down.
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  They have the tall, poppy syndrome.
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  Majorly bad. Yeah, so he was trying to lock
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  her in and keep her barefoot and pregnant at home so he could go
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  off and become The All-American, you know, move.
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  I started just ended more badly and he just became a worse
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  actor. Well, I guess back in my day if
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  you look like a family man in probably be good PR.
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  Yeah. Like all the grannies would
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  Swoon but they are also great for father does nothing has a
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  cigar when the baby's born pushes her and the baby girl
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  says so her idea is to fake a miscarriage which is really sad.
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  That should have to go to that. Yes sir.
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  Weeks she yelled at her maid to get out because she was covered
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  in bruises from him. And instead of I made being
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  like, Oh my God, she's covered in bruises that were like, she's
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  bad to the help. She's like, out here.
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  Yeah, trying to ruin Don's life. And yeah, the misogyny, but they
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  knew that that made would leak the story.
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  So they used it to their advantage.
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  And at this time, Evelyn was making friends with Celia st.
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  James, yes. Her name.
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  Very movie star named very movies because they met working
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  on Little Women together. Yeah.
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  She helped concoct that idea of the miscarriage.
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  Yeah, I think in a way. So clo was an up-and-coming and
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  she was taking the Limelight from yes, 12 because she was
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  more talented. She's better at acting, but she
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  didn't have more star power. Yeah, and she was a bit naive,
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  Evelyn just like red heard of Filth.
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  She's like, you're too naive. You've got to get what you want.
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  You've got to use people properly.
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  And don't be dumb about it. Yeah.
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  Don't say sorry. Yeah and don't be guilty and I
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  was like damn that's why I'm going Evelyn's just like she's
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  too much. She's a roller coaster.
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  Yeah I know she just steamrolls everyone and everything.
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  Yeah. She's either super loving more
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  too chaotic. I know, I know and it was
• 19:50
  interesting because they were spending a bit of time together
• 19:53
  and it's so funny because the media would report, oh no,
• 19:56
  Evelyn's out with single girl, Celia st.
• 20:00
  J know what are they getting off to?
• 20:02
  And they were like, well danzo All at home alone.
• 20:06
  I'm so excited. I felt like why is Evelyn Hugo
• 20:11
  hanging out with Celia st. James, and having cocktails, and
• 20:15
  going out and dancing and wants to know.
• 20:17
  Will you marry me? And she's like, 80 that yeah.
• 20:20
  Like she can't be over 20 and they're literally going.
• 20:23
  Oh, no, don't harm it. Sad crying because she can't
• 20:27
  have a baby and it's like, wow, wow, don't worry about having a
• 20:30
  million Affairs fucking everybody.
• 20:33
  Anybody with a pulse. Besides, he's probably gonna
• 20:38
  illegitimate children coming out every class to the next item.
• 20:41
  They struggle is everywhere. I looked a medic tri-axial 20
• 20:46
  2000 at this point. I was like silly is so gay for
• 20:51
  Evelyn. Oh, I know I called it from the
• 20:53
  very beginning but it was kind of obvious.
• 20:55
  Yeah, because of how much she had are.
• 20:58
  Just the way it was described, it is very easy to tell ya and I
• 21:02
  was just interested to see what would happen because I thought I
• 21:04
  was like, is she gonna say something and get rejected?
• 21:08
  Yeah. Aggressive Harry being Evelyn's
• 21:13
  friend, is to me the love stories.
• 21:16
  This book I know where he's the greatest person in this entire
• 21:20
  book. I feel like they're soul mates
• 21:22
  in a way. They are soul mates.
• 21:24
  So being best friends, this whole time, he's been through
• 21:26
  her whole career and Harry is gay, and they have that
• 21:30
  understanding of she's so loyal to him, she would never out him.
• 21:34
  She had Yeah, she knew she never asked, she could have added him
• 21:38
  at any time because she's that personality where you'd have to
• 21:43
  trust her. You know what I mean?
• 21:44
  Like she can use anything to her Advantage so I don't think there
• 21:47
  was ever a point when she did that to people.
• 21:49
  She was so chaotic. I know.
• 21:51
  But she never use like their secrets against them not people
• 21:54
  she liked. Yeah, I don't think Evelyn is a
• 21:58
  bad person at all. I think she's very focused, very
• 22:02
  driven, I think. Yeah.
• 22:04
  I think she just wanted to live her life her way and I can't
• 22:07
  really fault someone for that my community.
• 22:09
  If you can, why not? Yeah, okay.
• 22:13
  So the things in the marriage between Evelyn and Don start
• 22:16
  going really downhill. This is just an abusive asshole
• 22:19
  and she's kind of like holy shit.
• 22:21
  I've got to get out of here and I guess her friends helped her
• 22:24
  realize that she shouldn't have to put up with that anymore.
• 22:27
  And then she went to a party and found out.
• 22:28
  He was just actively cheating on her at the party but she's that.
• 22:31
  Yeah, I think that was the final straw that were and she was
• 22:34
  already. Be in love with Cecilia to.
• 22:36
  Yeah. Yeah she already decided that
• 22:38
  that's where she wanted to be. Yeah.
• 22:41
  So it was kind of will didn't wasn't it at that party that
• 22:44
  Celia tried to kiss her but they did KISS.
• 22:46
  Yeah. So they kissed and then she was
• 22:48
  like wait what? And she realized she had all
• 22:50
  these feelings for her and she was like, odds kind of legit
• 22:53
  real? It's not just some yeah, I don't
• 22:55
  know and then she found out that Don was having sex with a girl
• 23:01
  upstairs you know? And she never Didn't think that
• 23:05
  he was having Affairs but it was never confirmed with her either.
• 23:09
  Yeah. And she kind of low-key thought
• 23:12
  that she could trust him. Yeah I suppose if you're so in
• 23:16
  love with someone and he's also like abusing you, you're not
• 23:19
  going to think he's going to have that time.
• 23:21
  I chose for other people. Yeah.
• 23:24
  It's and they will working like 24/7 but also he's at a party
• 23:28
  with her. So it's not like it really
• 23:29
  matters and he's a movie star. So girls.
• 23:31
  If you just flocking to him somehow, I Guess.
• 23:34
  Yeah, after that. I'm actually surprised because
• 23:37
  Don just let her have the house, it wasn't that he let her have
• 23:41
  the house. It was he was using that as a
• 23:44
  way to get out of his abuse. Yeah, but I'm, he was buying her
• 23:48
  out, but if he was fully abusive, he would have just
• 23:51
  taken it. Not if you're a movie star,
• 23:54
  because you need to look really good in practice, you know,
• 23:56
  going to take her and have letter have nothing true.
• 23:59
  Yeah. I just think he wasn't fully
• 24:01
  Petty about it. Like he could have been worse.
• 24:03
  So I was kind of in Rest. Yeah, which is funny because I
• 24:06
  was like, I'm kind of surprised that he didn't either sleep.
• 24:09
  Idioma, he probably wanted to go for petty.
• 24:11
  I reckon he did and they were like, maybe not because you
• 24:13
  don't mind. The biggest douchebag who when
• 24:16
  they could instead make her look really bad.
• 24:19
  Well, to be fair, they were already ruining her career.
• 24:22
  So he blackballed her from the studio and Future movie
• 24:25
  projects, and everywhere he's got huge influence, so he would
• 24:28
  destroy her career. So I think the house was kind of
• 24:30
  like a fullback, like, at least you have somewhere to live.
• 24:34
  And worst case you can sell the house and become a normie.
• 24:36
  And now, we know that Evelyn was never going to become normally
• 24:39
  ever. She worked harder than ever, but
• 24:42
  he couldn't. He, pretty much could have
• 24:43
  effectively ended her career. Yeah, and he pretty much tried
• 24:46
  to. Yeah.
• 24:47
  So I think that's was where his pettiness was because he knew
• 24:49
  that she didn't care about needing the Mansion.
• 24:52
  He knew that she would care about losing her career.
• 24:55
  Yeah. So he kind of hit her where it
• 24:57
  hurts. It was funny.
• 24:59
  She was out in public with Celia somewhere and she just grabbed
• 25:02
  her hand and then I'm sort of looked over, and she freaked out
• 25:06
  and like dropped it. And the homophobe, like, I'm not
• 25:08
  judging how scandalous scandalous feel like it wouldn't
• 25:11
  be as bad for women, but maybe back then and it was as well.
• 25:14
  50, 60. So how are you sensually
• 25:17
  holding? Someone's hand?
• 25:19
  I don't know. It was pretty loving.
• 25:21
  It must have been the vibe at the time because I mean you can
• 25:24
  hold your friends hand and no one's going to fucking think
• 25:26
  anything of it. If it's just a moment like that.
• 25:29
  But it was it was just funny in the book of like, wow.
• 25:31
  Okay. She's just partied too hard.
• 25:34
  Water. Well a whole entire gossip
• 25:36
  column came out of it and they like how close is too close
• 25:41
  that's being yeah. And looting that they gay?
• 25:44
  Yes it's like okay well I mean they were they were but I mean
• 25:49
  in the back in the day they would have like one black and
• 25:52
  white picture. Yeah.
• 25:53
  Whatever as a Paparazzi photo. Yeah, he's taking these pictures
• 25:57
  and this camera would have them to take a photo of them out in
• 26:00
  public together. One of those big box, one thing
• 26:02
  they have to have the big guy. Really truly you can hear.
• 26:07
  So they have their first, I guess in a way break up there,
• 26:11
  so they like stay together while she's getting divorced and then
• 26:15
  they have sex for the first time because they all decided that
• 26:18
  this is it. If I'm using everything, they
• 26:21
  were doing really, really well. And then she that concert they
• 26:25
  were out, was some meat guy and she slept with him to get their
• 26:29
  name out of the press. See, this is where it all goes
• 26:32
  wrong. I mean, Communication is key and
• 26:35
  not to be in. Everyone's life, doesn't really.
• 26:38
  She thinks that everyone runs on her moral compass, and she
• 26:41
  doesn't consider that considering their relationship
• 26:44
  is Loki. Fresh, yerin is same-sex
• 26:47
  relationship for the first wool Evelyn's first time?
• 26:50
  Yeah, so it's kind of like, don't you think you should talk?
• 26:53
  And she never talked about her former partners about decision.
• 26:56
  She was making. So she kind of just assumed that
• 26:59
  she could get away with it. Yeah, and then, when they were
• 27:01
  this big conversation, she was like, oh, it's implied.
• 27:03
  That I was going to It wasn't employed anywhere.
• 27:06
  She comes up with these schemes and then Implement them.
• 27:09
  But then does she talks you through this games?
• 27:11
  You like, yeah, well, this makes a lot of sense but also he
• 27:14
  doesn't beat Justin the fucking and she was kind of going in on
• 27:18
  Celia even though silly had every right to be mad.
• 27:20
  Yes. Till he's like, hold on.
• 27:22
  I thought you were gonna fake date.
• 27:23
  Someone will get buried. See, this is where it all goes
• 27:28
  wrong. Hey, this is the only time it
• 27:30
  matters. Yeah, exactly.
• 27:32
  So she was like I'm just gonna get with this guy and do a
• 27:36
  whirlwind Vegas quickie wedding. Yeah, wedding.
• 27:40
  Why does it always have to be waiting bitch?
• 27:41
  Why can't you just get drunk and throw up and publicly think what
• 27:45
  about like? Yeah.
• 27:46
  What exactly, that would be the Scandal, isn't it?
• 27:49
  He's out, why do you have to go through with the paperwork like
• 27:52
  doing Playboy, shoot? Who knows?
• 27:54
  I finish a marriage. Metal is getting married, but
• 27:58
  imagine you've only just started this relationship and then your
• 28:01
  partner. Who's barely?
• 28:03
  Even you part. Yet.
• 28:04
  It's like, you know. What's going to help?
• 28:06
  I'm just going to go get quickie married.
• 28:07
  I'm just gonna getting married is just gonna send the Press
• 28:09
  into a wild storm, but then again, it's all the attention on
• 28:13
  her. Yeah.
• 28:14
  But the problem was Celia's, career was going up again,
• 28:18
  Evelyn's was Dunst acted Dawn. Yeah, if stagnant, so she was in
• 28:22
  the in-between phase, it's probably more for her benefit
• 28:26
  than it was for their relationship because and boosted
• 28:29
  her back up again. Exactly.
• 28:31
  I just think it's funny how the solution was always to have
• 28:33
  another The beard. He was like, cool.
• 28:35
  Let's just throw another beard into the mix.
• 28:37
  That'll fix everything like, yay.
• 28:40
  I thought the three it lasted a day they had sex.
• 28:44
  She wasn't participating in the sex so he got over it and was
• 28:47
  like, well, this is really bad. She was bad on purpose and then
• 28:50
  he agreed to get annulled. But then she was like, I think
• 28:54
  it might be his King to reject people.
• 28:57
  Yeah, well, yeah, because he would have loved.
• 28:59
  He had a big ego so it worked out every everyone.
• 29:02
  Loved the idea of Hold on until they had which is very Marilyn.
• 29:07
  Monroe Vibes? Yeah.
• 29:09
  Like when you built up to be a sex symbol says in-laws.
• 29:12
  Sorry much. Yeah, so much pressure, then to
• 29:14
  be that little when you just want to leave and he just wanted
• 29:19
  serious roles to she just and she didn't enjoy sex with men
• 29:23
  who she wasn't in love with Yahweh.
• 29:27
  Okay. There was like, probably two
• 29:28
  times she's ever enjoyed sex with men.
• 29:31
  Yeah. So she's probably not even so
• 29:32
  she hated it I know which guy was.
• 29:34
  She small lesbian than by number three, Mick, Riva.
• 29:41
  He had to be number three. Yeah.
• 29:42
  Any yep. So make was the quickie Vegas
• 29:46
  annulment. He announced to everyone that he
• 29:48
  would marry her. And she Celia was like, bro.
• 29:51
  You can't just fuck some kind of tell me.
• 29:54
  Yeah, and the by Celia fanned out was her being pregnant.
• 29:58
  Yes. Yeah, go.
• 30:00
  Evelyn was even gonna say anything.
• 30:02
  She's not gonna say a word. And then the thing is also,
• 30:06
  everyone mentioned mix. Not the kind of guy who's going
• 30:09
  to wear a condom. She said that.
• 30:11
  Yeah. What if he had some kind of STI
• 30:15
  either? And then she's asleep in with
• 30:16
  Celia. No big deal the next day or
• 30:18
  whenever you know they used to shove a lemon like skin up there
• 30:23
  whoo-ha for what a preventative? Yeah.
• 30:26
  Back in the day they used to put like as like a.
• 30:29
  Yeah. So just hope that it's acidic
• 30:31
  enough to ward off the gonorrhea.
• 30:34
  Or whatever. I mean, I want to be on her way
• 30:37
  to go if she was going to get out of it.
• 30:38
  But yeah. But I mean how do you not how
• 30:41
  you that dumb that you don't think your partner deserves to
• 30:44
  know? I think she's so clueless
• 30:46
  because it was like she was reading said, okay?
• 30:49
  It was like she was so in love with her but was treating her
• 30:51
  like any other men at the same time, just so weird.
• 30:54
  I know is very weird her entire, like I mentioned before her
• 30:57
  entire PR strategies is. Let's marry nails.
• 30:59
  Do that will fix everything she had to be at least Twenty-One.
• 31:04
  Yeah. But don't you think?
• 31:06
  That would look bad to keep marrying people.
• 31:09
  That's the point. But I mean, I guess that's a
• 31:12
  little work. I can't think of anything more
• 31:14
  embarrassing than getting married, you know, if that was
• 31:18
  nowadays, no one would be able to afford to do that, many
• 31:21
  marriages, and that many divorces because you can't have
• 31:23
  your assets. Each time, that many sides by
• 31:26
  this is why so expensive, exactly, it's and be too many.
• 31:31
  Imagine all the spousal support if she broke up with bums, She
• 31:36
  would have nothing left, she nearly did get done for spouses.
• 31:38
  Yes, husband number 666 shark God.
• 31:46
  So they, they probably broke up over that.
• 31:49
  Yeah, because she was kind of, like, wow, you fucking lied to
• 31:51
  me, which kind of makes sense. Sorry, I missed a little bit.
• 31:54
  The bit where Eva link is the TV when Celia one the authenticity
• 31:59
  of. Yeah, and she was blackballed so
• 32:01
  she was at home. Oh my god.
• 32:02
  Really saddest thing I've ever heard.
• 32:04
  Yeah, that was Funny though. But anyway, that was before the
• 32:08
  break-up. So for come imagine after a
• 32:11
  breakup you're only able to use gossip magazine articles as way
• 32:16
  to Facebook stalk. You're right.
• 32:18
  Ha ha ha. You have to wait like six months
• 32:20
  to find it come out and then you're like, oh, cool.
• 32:22
  My exes married. I guess again?
• 32:26
  No. But like, Celia go married to
• 32:28
  some guy. Yeah.
• 32:29
  Or was in a relationship with some guy serious?
• 32:32
  And she only found out about it through a gossip magazine
• 32:34
  article, XOXO. The ghost girl.
• 32:36
  You'd be like, what? Like her entire time through
• 32:39
  this argument do with Cielo was she would never love a guy and
• 32:43
  get a guy. So I'm not long after she's like
• 32:45
  a married to this quarterback. Oh, like anyone couldn't get
• 32:50
  married to a guy. If anyone knows that it should
• 32:53
  be Evelyn that is. And also it's kind of funny
• 32:57
  because Evelyn sort of tried to use Celia's lesbianism against
• 33:02
  her, a lot, as if she was better than her because she's By
• 33:06
  ignoring, it was both ways because she used to use her
• 33:10
  being by against her. Yeah.
• 33:12
  She'd be like, yeah. So that both do it and they both
• 33:14
  do it. They'll both horrible to each
• 33:16
  other, about asexuality Celia was jealous of men with Evelyn.
• 33:21
  And Evelyn was jealous of women with Celia.
• 33:24
  She was never jealous about men because she knew that she was a
• 33:26
  lesbian. My full-blown Celia always
• 33:29
  sexualize her as well. So every time she was mad at
• 33:31
  her, she'd be like just get your boobs out.
• 33:34
  Yeah, it was just I bribed the PowerPoint bad for each other.
• 33:38
  They were a bit toxic but also they were young at the time I
• 33:42
  suppose. Yeah, bit jealous.
• 33:44
  Yes. Oh, Celia got engaged to some
• 33:46
  dude. It was in the magazines and that
• 33:49
  was the only way Evelyn found out but Evelyn and Celia that
• 33:53
  both very stubborn. So whenever they're not talking
• 33:55
  to each other, they do not reach out.
• 33:57
  Yeah. And it's not like it's months in
• 34:00
  like you, it was like five years.
• 34:02
  Yeah, by the time they reached out to each other again, I know.
• 34:06
  It's wild. Harry has all of the tea at all
• 34:10
  as all of the and he gives away nothing.
• 34:12
  I know pisses me off. It's great.
• 34:16
  Oh yeah. So the best bit will not the
• 34:18
  best fit but they are good. Beard was finding out that Harry
• 34:21
  was actually dating Celia's husband.
• 34:24
  Oh no, no, I remember that's how it worked out.
• 34:29
  He's just like, was, she's a, why wouldn't you say that
• 34:33
  earlier? You what your best friend in?
• 34:35
  Pain. I don't know if maybe he didn't
• 34:37
  want to help the guy fair enough, but then Harry kind of
• 34:41
  suggested. Why don't me and you get
• 34:44
  married. Yeah.
• 34:46
  Evelyn and then it's a perfect cover will be like double dating
• 34:50
  at all times. Where there's another husband in
• 34:53
  there? I think so because I don't think
• 34:55
  it was this footballer, dude. I think later on they actually
• 34:59
  Implement later, I need to look it up.
• 35:02
  I know who could be this to me, husband and I we had Rex North
• 35:07
  next. We had decided after a before
• 35:10
  them being in a foursome before, huh?
• 35:12
  Okay. Yeah.
• 35:13
  All right. So they've been broken up for a
• 35:15
  while. They're not really talking to
• 35:17
  each other. Yeah, and then of course Evelyn
• 35:21
  solution is to just get married to someone else.
• 35:23
  Yeah. Because well, no one was really
• 35:25
  thinking that they were gay together.
• 35:27
  But didn't want article came out that said Celia's car was always
• 35:30
  in Evelyn's house. Yeah.
• 35:32
  So she was kind of freaking out a bit.
• 35:34
  She might have pulled a new car. Yes.
• 35:36
  Shitty brown cow hours. Yeah.
• 35:37
  And no one thought I would think about it.
• 35:39
  Yeah. Evelyn's like if I just want to
• 35:42
  have a complete PR only Contract Marriage.
• 35:45
  Yeah. And this guy Rex North was the
• 35:48
  perfect one. Yeah.
• 35:49
  To do it because he was already like he was famous enough.
• 35:53
  Yeah. And he lived this bachelor
• 35:56
  lifestyle. Anyway, he was known for
• 35:58
  sleeping around. So same thing, if anything Mac
• 36:01
  being married to her, would look good to him.
• 36:04
  Yeah. Because then he's the guy that's
• 36:05
  got the most beautiful woman. Yeah.
• 36:07
  And they kind of made an arrangement.
• 36:09
  Like it's going to be an open relationship.
• 36:12
  We're only in it to be married on paper, which is just a nice
• 36:15
  light on two opposite ends of the house.
• 36:17
  Yeah, there's not much to do like they didn't do much and I
• 36:22
  think really see the point apart from making her look good.
• 36:25
  Well, it wasn't that To him. I think they were married for
• 36:28
  like, 23 years to, huh. That was a very eventful was
• 36:34
  that did, isn't that the one that she kind of thought he was
• 36:37
  attractive? And they might sleep together
• 36:39
  because he's pretty hot. Yeah.
• 36:40
  And then she rejected him. Yeah, she rejected him and was
• 36:43
  like, we definitely never sleeping together.
• 36:45
  Yeah, and then he got his ex-girlfriend pregnant.
• 36:48
  Yes, that's how that ended. That's how that ended that was
• 36:51
  awkward. So is PR for about three, four,
• 36:53
  five years compared to like the three years being with Someone
• 36:57
  and having a weird Contract Marriage.
• 36:59
  So he comes up to her one day and says, are I'm in love.
• 37:02
  And he didn't expect it and just like, with who and he's like,
• 37:05
  with my eggs. Yeah, yeah.
• 37:07
  Another actress. Yeah.
• 37:08
  So he and he got her pregnant. Yeah.
• 37:10
  And then they had to scheme again.
• 37:13
  Again, a way out of it. It's always lies.
• 37:15
  This is how Harry comes into being her vien?
• 37:18
  Yes. Yes, it was great because they
• 37:20
  decide to use Harry as the one she's cheating with.
• 37:24
  She's like, no one's going to believe you, because a lot of
• 37:26
  people I'm gay. Yeah and then yeah that's the
• 37:31
  start of where it gets good only yes packet.
• 37:34
  But can we talk about the cheating set up?
• 37:37
  It was so funny. So they're like we've got to
• 37:39
  make everyone look good in this scenario.
• 37:41
  So again we'll just make everything look like a cheetah.
• 37:44
  Yeah. And that you were so in love
• 37:46
  with Harry and then it'll make it okay that this Rex guy had a
• 37:52
  baby with his ex, she always took all the hits.
• 37:54
  So I know every single one One. No wonder she's a bit crazy.
• 37:59
  Well I guess she kind of liked Rex enough to be like you
• 38:02
  deserve to be happy. And we don't want this to make
• 38:04
  you look like a cheating skull because you're going to be a
• 38:06
  family and she typically always look bad anyway.
• 38:10
  Yeah. So she's like, whatever.
• 38:11
  And so they set it up so that Paparazzi will come find them in
• 38:14
  a car making out. Like, she's trying to give him
• 38:16
  tips and he's like I know how to make out.
• 38:18
  He's like I've kissed him before girl please it was a journey,
• 38:23
  the journey towards my being gay, I feel like you only get
• 38:25
  one chance to get a shot. With old-timey cameras.
• 38:28
  So imagine them coming around the corner.
• 38:30
  Like the paparazzi come around, they interact, big-ass box
• 38:33
  camera. She had to call her Nemesis
• 38:36
  Ruby, who ended up marrying, Don Adler, yes, set it up and then
• 38:40
  chap ROTC would believe it. And then she divorced on that
• 38:43
  like anyway, because he was abusive and she's like, why
• 38:45
  didn't you tell me you? And everyone's like, a fuck?
• 38:48
  I probably shouldn't. She's like, I didn't even think
• 38:51
  she's like I, you know, he was cheating on me and then she's
• 38:53
  like, oh, not that not the cheating, yeah, other stuff.
• 38:57
  Maybe she was so like a no one, but it's weird because you're
• 39:00
  not obligated, but then how else do you tell?
• 39:04
  Ya, you know what I mean? Because it could have ended up
• 39:06
  worse for her again if she called go right.
• 39:09
  Yeah, exactly. She can't go around when she's
• 39:10
  ready to be black bold and then tell everybody that Don Abdullah
• 39:14
  is an abusive, you'll get completely.
• 39:16
  It was in destroyed while it was in her contract that she was not
• 39:19
  allowed to say it. Yeah.
• 39:20
  So she's got a, she did an NDA and that's was part of I guess
• 39:24
  having the house. Yeah.
• 39:25
  And then he tried to do that to Ruby.
• 39:27
  And she was like, fucking are you're on the outs anyway?
• 39:29
  No one wants to watch you on TV. Yeah, exactly.
• 39:31
  So he came out of it, fine? Yeah.
• 39:35
  It highlighted how women had to make up excuses for men and
• 39:39
  just. Yeah, especially back in the
• 39:40
  day, but people still do it. Now, you can't go around
• 39:43
  telling, oh well comes from somewhere.
• 39:45
  You can't go around saying someone's an abuser now because
• 39:48
  people will be like, oh, that's defamation even if it's fully
• 39:51
  true. Yeah, which is ridiculous.
• 39:53
  I've watched it, and watched it happen in public and they're
• 39:55
  like, I don't believe it. Yeah, exactly.
• 39:59
  So it's not I mean it's not that different it's just these people
• 40:02
  had a high-profile so when Harry suggested they actually get
• 40:06
  married in a like a platonic marriage.
• 40:09
  Yeah, it made a lot of sense because our best friends
• 40:12
  shouldn't trust him ages ago and she should have never left him.
• 40:16
  Yeah, I'm so mad. They should have just stayed
• 40:18
  married. Yeah.
• 40:20
  They were in such a happy relationship.
• 40:22
  They were living together. Oh well, they weren't living.
• 40:27
  You have that they would swap. So how are you would stay at
• 40:29
  John's house? He and then they would stay
• 40:31
  everyone and Celia. I would say at her house.
• 40:34
  Yeah, so how did they read Kindle?
• 40:36
  I guess I don't think relationship.
• 40:39
  She kind of said on TV or something.
• 40:42
  I don't know. It was like, what time?
• 40:45
  Number two, there was like, five times.
• 40:47
  They were candles in the house. There was true, proper times
• 40:50
  they rekindled, but I forget who apologized to who kind of thing
• 40:54
  they came back together in the foursome and then I were
• 40:57
  stronger than is this the one where they were on TV like on
• 41:01
  their little speeches? They were trying to give each
• 41:02
  other hints and she was lying to the person watching at home.
• 41:06
  If you want to kiss it TV, don't you tooth or something?
• 41:09
  Again maybe. Yeah, but they don't know.
• 41:12
  They got back together, things were apparently Gucci.
• 41:15
  They were all in for some in there.
• 41:16
  Like, this is perfect. We're all beards for each other.
• 41:18
  We can all go out together Doubleday.
• 41:20
  Yeah, they were all too weird. They're all family like a loving
• 41:24
  family. Yeah.
• 41:25
  Which is weird in today's standards.
• 41:27
  But back then, that was probably the best I could ever get.
• 41:29
  Yeah, they can't. Just go out on their own as a
• 41:31
  couple. Yeah.
• 41:33
  Back in the day, being famous as well.
• 41:35
  Meanwhile, and probably even a little bit before that
• 41:38
  everyone's career was going back up because she worked with this
• 41:41
  French director who did this scene in a movie where her boobs
• 41:45
  were out. And she was walking out of the
• 41:46
  Lagoon and it was like this epic scene where they were blacked
• 41:50
  out right before using them. I could actually be really good
• 41:52
  at movies. This idea fans would have been
• 41:54
  killing everyone and people went and saw It at the cinema
• 41:57
  multiple times. Just to watch her walk out of
• 42:00
  the Lagoon. Yes, they were like this is
• 42:02
  worth particular time. Yeah.
• 42:04
  Yes. How she got back on top?
• 42:05
  Yeah, she came back and then another Studio wanted her.
• 42:08
  I'm pretty sure. And she started to be able to
• 42:10
  get the big box. Yeah.
• 42:12
  There are, you know, their marriages to each other kind of
• 42:16
  thing, sort of symbolized, the marriages that they each had
• 42:20
  with the other partners that make sense.
• 42:22
  Yeah, which is really weird, but they're all matched up.
• 42:24
  And they were everything was going well.
• 42:27
  Evelyn found out a project was happening.
• 42:29
  Yes. And she really wanted to be on a
• 42:31
  castelia recommended and she said, this is going to be a
• 42:34
  perfect role for you. So she contacted the director
• 42:36
  and then they're like, oh, I'm surprised you wanted to do that
• 42:38
  because we cast Dawn Adler as the LIE.
• 42:41
  Yes. And it was her first roll back
• 42:44
  after humming Connor. Yes.
• 42:46
  So she had about her and how he had a baby, they decided that it
• 42:49
  was time for them to have kids. Yeah, I think we're in the 40s
• 42:52
  that worked out pretty well. I think she was 37.
• 42:56
  Yeah, something like Like that I had to get together.
• 42:59
  That was really cute, but actually is my favorite part
• 43:01
  during the whole book and it's more because Harry.
• 43:03
  So loving. He's there every minute.
• 43:05
  Yeah. As he really wanted to be a dad.
• 43:08
  Yeah, that's cute. Yeah yeah.
• 43:10
  So don't add one and she's like, oh God then she hadn't spoken to
• 43:14
  him since the breakup and he tried to ruin her life but she
• 43:17
  was kind of like he's a little bit on the outs.
• 43:20
  Yeah. So she had the upper hand on
• 43:22
  him. So she was willing to work with
• 43:23
  him because she could like rub it in his face.
• 43:25
  Was she was so still Surviving. Yeah don't apologizing was kind
• 43:30
  of a Vibe so he should yeah. Grovel bitch, grab them all.
• 43:34
  But it's funny because he said he regrets everything he did but
• 43:37
  then he did the same exact thing a ruby.
• 43:39
  So he regretted everything. He did to her and Ruby he
• 43:43
  stopped drinking alcohol. He was like so far none of
• 43:47
  excuse thingies, you know? This is when it comes up to the
• 43:52
  second breaker and things have been good with her and Celia
• 43:56
  that Never been more in love. This is the love of her life.
• 44:00
  She realizes that she had a baby.
• 44:01
  She agreed that she could have the baby with Harry and
• 44:04
  everything was working. Well, it was a bit hard bit
• 44:07
  stressful. There's a lot of work going on
• 44:09
  so there's this sex scene in the movie and wasn't this the French
• 44:13
  director? Yeah, yeah.
• 44:14
  So there's this X in the movie and he's like, we've really got
• 44:16
  to push this sex scene because we've got to make it like the
• 44:19
  character. It's gonna go really loves him.
• 44:21
  It's got to look real. She's got to have an orgasm
• 44:24
  which was unheard of back in the day.
• 44:27
  For women. Yeah, and she just said to the
• 44:30
  director. Yep.
• 44:30
  I'll do it. Yeah, filmed the scene.
• 44:34
  Didn't tell Celia anything knowing that Celia has a problem
• 44:38
  with her being overly sexualized.
• 44:42
  I don't think it's overly sexualized.
• 44:44
  I think it was more specialized with her ex-husband.
• 44:47
  Oh, yeah. That Amber, because she'll
• 44:49
  happily sexualized her all the time when it suited her.
• 44:53
  Yeah. That's when Sealy was
• 44:54
  inconsistent, sometimes it's hell, yeah, girl.
• 44:57
  You can't have both ways how have both ways.
• 44:59
  So she comes home she feels really guilty.
• 45:02
  She said I think it was 50 blocks home or do you actually
• 45:06
  15 probably 15? Okay?
• 45:08
  Because he was 50, but imagine you're driving home and you see
• 45:13
  a movie star. Walk, he's like 7 million box,
• 45:16
  arm Tucson. And then she uses the like a
• 45:18
  payphone. Default like you have to take
• 45:20
  the kid for the night. I'm about to fuck up our
• 45:23
  foursome. Yeah.
• 45:25
  And then she tried to do damage control.
• 45:27
  Roll off to the scene was already recorded and she was
• 45:29
  trying to be like, look, it's really for the autistic - of the
• 45:33
  movie. Yeah, and Celia's like nope, she
• 45:36
  thought about it and she's like, no, I wouldn't be able to handle
• 45:38
  seeing it. Yeah, don't watch it.
• 45:40
  And she goes, don't do it for the sake of our relationship.
• 45:44
  Don't do the sex scene. I don't think it mattered that
• 45:47
  much, that's just me. That's think maybe she should
• 45:50
  have let us sleep on it. Let it sink in but she admitted
• 45:53
  at the time she goes, I've already recorded it.
• 45:56
  It's already done. But with yeah but again for
• 45:59
  Celia for her it was Evelyn not fucking thinking about her.
• 46:04
  Yeah. And treating her like a complete
• 46:06
  afterthought and steamrolling her just as she always does like
• 46:11
  an afterthought though. She thought about that for like
• 46:14
  a split second before saying yell report it.
• 46:16
  Yeah everyone does that though. She doesn't care about the
• 46:19
  conscious thought she's very into her career and I think
• 46:22
  that's the only thing that drives her.
• 46:24
  I know I feel like but I feel like Should have talk to Celia
• 46:28
  more about. Let's have boundaries about what
• 46:31
  happened, but she never did our, but you didn't drink any.
• 46:34
  She didn't get that lead up. But in saying that she never did
• 46:38
  that with any of her ex-husband know, so I'm assuming she just
• 46:43
  didn't get it. Yeah.
• 46:44
  Like it wasn't a thing to her, she's probably just as confused.
• 46:48
  Yeah. You'd think that because they've
• 46:50
  had breakups before from misunderstanding.
• 46:52
  But she would understand. Yeah, she wouldn't understand,
• 46:55
  but she did. She was like, I know No, this is
• 46:57
  actually really bad that she's well, she's done.
• 46:59
  Yeah. And then, so Celia packs up and
• 47:02
  moves out of the house and everything.
• 47:04
  She's like this. Like I did.
• 47:06
  I and she took that so personal because her divorcing, John was
• 47:10
  her divorcing Evelyn. Yeah, I don't know why she
• 47:13
  wouldn't just keep John. Has her beard though because she
• 47:16
  was leaving them together. She was only there because John
• 47:20
  was with Harry. Yeah.
• 47:21
  So she was kind of like I'm not going to hang out with John
• 47:23
  everyday of Harry's there, which Evelyn married to John for. 15
• 47:27
  years. Wow, that's actually pretty
• 47:29
  long, that's pretty well. Evelyn wins the Oscar.
• 47:32
  Yeah, of course, with Don Adler, and the director for that.
• 47:36
  I don't see things that Oscar. I think Dawn wins the Oscar and
• 47:40
  she doesn't like, so I just remember them going to get a
• 47:42
  hamburger after with the director.
• 47:43
  The director was. Yeah.
• 47:45
  And so they go in and guess she did win.
• 47:47
  Sorry. Oh, so they going to get
• 47:49
  hamburgers. Get the take away with no
• 47:52
  security and they get bombarded by fans.
• 47:55
  Yeah. And then afterwards in the car,
• 47:57
  the guy. And what's his name again?
• 47:59
  Max Gerard Max Gerard is like, always loved you.
• 48:03
  Everyone fuck. And then he just smush her face
• 48:06
  and then she just goes along with it because she's like, oh,
• 48:09
  we must get married immediately. You don't need to get married
• 48:13
  Pottery frustrating. So she's technically still
• 48:17
  married to Harry. Yeah, so she comes home after
• 48:21
  that and she's kind of like to Harry.
• 48:23
  I haven't really had anyone romantically in my life
• 48:26
  sincerely. Laughs, this is before off to
• 48:28
  John Dies because I can't remember before baseball in
• 48:32
  crucial. Yeah, she and he's like, I'll
• 48:35
  make it softer. I think it'll be after I'm
• 48:39
  confused with the ordered. No, I mean far out.
• 48:42
  So yeah and how he's like, okay, you deserve to find loves ya.
• 48:45
  Would you risk it all for Max Gerard?
• 48:48
  He doesn't sound likely. Not, and you've done to movies
• 48:52
  with this guy. Yeah.
• 48:54
  But she goes, I just feel like I know him more as much as anybody
• 48:58
  else. And so she knows no one.
• 49:00
  Well yeah, understands no one. She knew Harry and Master on.
• 49:04
  Yeah, that's it. And because he was a male or in
• 49:07
  her orbit But he was willing to give it a chance but she didn't.
• 49:11
  She wasn't like in love with him.
• 49:12
  She just thought I might enjoy being with a man because her and
• 49:17
  Harry were not compatible possess game.
• 49:19
  Yeah. They were not together.
• 49:21
  They were soul mates as friends and he was like, you deserve to
• 49:24
  have a life blah, blah, blah. So we'll get divorced and then
• 49:29
  you and Max Gerard can get married.
• 49:31
  Then, of course, I get married straight away, she's not really
• 49:33
  running out of marriage proposals, is she alright?
• 49:38
  Tap water. If I'm at this point, I would
• 49:40
  just not get married. What do you expect?
• 49:42
  Why was that a thing? Why is it so big?
• 49:45
  It's just okay. So max Gerard was number six.
• 49:49
  Yeah and it turned out really bad.
• 49:52
  Yeah. Eventually if she did love him
• 49:55
  yeah and she had a good sort of life with him like he was good
• 49:59
  with her daughter and everything and then she couldn't get Celia
• 50:02
  off her mind. He was really only with her
• 50:05
  because he loved her as a trophy A wife.
• 50:08
  Oh yeah. And when they were starting to
• 50:11
  have an argument, he pretty much implied that he was cheating on
• 50:14
  her the whole time. Yeah, she didn't know again and
• 50:18
  then she gets in contact with Celia again and then they start
• 50:21
  writing letters back and forth. I forget what the Catalyst
• 50:24
  exactly was Imaginext. From 10 years ago, sending you
• 50:28
  love letters out of nowhere and then like dearest Cecilia and it
• 50:31
  appears to have a linen and then, and then so she was
• 50:37
  arranging to me. Up with her because she's like
• 50:39
  there's the tiny crack in the door.
• 50:41
  Still open about this relationship.
• 50:42
  So only person she cares about Evelyn.
• 50:44
  Only loved Celia and that's it. She wasn't really bisexual.
• 50:49
  She was Celia sexualized. That?
• 50:52
  Yeah, because she she care about all the women.
• 50:55
  She she says that she was like there was two categories.
• 50:57
  Yeah. Women and it was Celia and not
• 50:59
  CLE. Yeah, that's it.
• 51:02
  So that's pretty good. Yeah, for Celia.
• 51:04
  Yeah, she's jealous for nothing. Yeah.
• 51:06
  Yeah. But she was jealous of the men.
• 51:08
  Oh yeah, he thought that Evelyn's bisexual and but no one
• 51:13
  was good as Celia. I mean, she came out as bisexual
• 51:16
  but I really don't think she liked the men.
• 51:19
  I really only think that really validation.
• 51:22
  Oh yeah, I think that'll validation.
• 51:24
  Yeah, but she did truly loved on and was sexually attracted.
• 51:28
  So there was a bit of the sexual orientation but a map, the
• 51:32
  relationships were just all about validation.
• 51:35
  Yeah, sure. Yeah, I do.
• 51:38
  No, because big picture for me. I was kind of like Evelyn kind
• 51:41
  of hung on to Celia as a back burner.
• 51:43
  When her own her own roller, coaster shit was hitting the fan
• 51:48
  to me and I would be salty. If I was silly, I'd be like, oh,
• 51:51
  of course you're sending me letters.
• 51:52
  Yeah, Evelyn Evelyn. You should have done this years
• 51:56
  ago. I don't even know.
• 51:57
  Like, I just feel like I just don't understand how they both.
• 52:00
  Didn't learn to the first like four times, right?
• 52:04
  Why is leave it so long? Why I love with someone Ten
• 52:07
  Years Later? After God, Evelyn goes to meet
• 52:10
  Celia to see if there's any rekindling and silly is still a
• 52:13
  bit, got a wall up. She's like whatever will meet
• 52:15
  his friends and then Max Gerard finds the letters.
• 52:18
  She was about to leave for the airport to meet up with cilia.
• 52:21
  Almost took the letters to. Yes.
• 52:23
  And then he was just like, oh my God, my wife is in a dike.
• 52:27
  She's like, be told, I think he just went and she's like, I'm
• 52:32
  not a dyke and he's like you're such dark.
• 52:36
  And it was like, oh my God, settle down till the whole page
• 52:40
  of their fight when it was like and all he cared about was how
• 52:43
  it reflected on him that he was married to a dyke and it's just
• 52:46
  like, oh my God, settle all petal.
• 52:49
  And he was like, I thought you would have affairs but not like
• 52:52
  this. It's like, okay, you'd rather
• 52:53
  her just raw dogging, some dudes, like calm down to have
• 53:00
  affairs with men, too insecure for the word of God.
• 53:06
  It's like of course they wouldn't have conversations
• 53:08
  about that. Yeah, so weird.
• 53:11
  Yeah. And he got all threatening and
• 53:13
  he was like, I'm going to ask you.
• 53:15
  You die kiss, daddy Dyke. He was just like trying to add
• 53:21
  her at this point. Really, he's a director.
• 53:27
  Yeah, who cares? No one cared about him and she's
• 53:30
  like, I'm going to leave you either way, whether you out me
• 53:32
  or not. Yeah, he's kind of like, oh well
• 53:34
  fuck. And she kind of said I did love
• 53:37
  you at one point, like stop being dramatic.
• 53:40
  I did love you until I realized you didn't love me back but also
• 53:44
  some of these guys have to take responsibility.
• 53:46
  She's married five times before you bro.
• 53:50
  What do you think's going on here?
• 53:51
  What they all love for man, until they have a And then
• 53:54
  they're like, oh that's it. And then they want to assume no
• 53:56
  responsibility or like he was never married before.
• 54:00
  So it's kind of like come on, it makes sense, but it's kind of
• 54:04
  like we keep on book. There's another book by the
• 54:07
  older. I think it's his book, or it's
• 54:09
  you. I'm gonna give my Straub swayam
• 54:11
  a. It's either him or mix.
• 54:14
  Wait, which one's make. Let me just have a quick on
• 54:16
  these number three. Yeah, okay.
• 54:18
  I like Mick the I could see that there's a little Vegas wedding.
• 54:22
  Yeah, because he was Like hot and he was probably out here,
• 54:26
  living the bachelor life, so maybe he's version is not as
• 54:28
  depressing. Several things I want to hear it
• 54:33
  from a male perspective but actually just he's gonna be like
• 54:35
  Wolf of Wall Street and movie star additional Evelyn's a bit
• 54:39
  to like just straight up titties Evelyn's.
• 54:42
  Bit, is just everyone sexualizing her and taking
• 54:45
  advantage of her. That's very own.
• 54:46
  Brand of the law. You know how they treated women.
• 54:49
  So it makes a lot of sense. How they still do?
• 54:51
  I guess just handed more updated way.
• 54:53
  For me, I'm kind of, like, Evelyn's.
• 54:55
  Got to get real and understand that she does you Celia.
• 54:58
  Yeah, I don't know. Like, for me, I was never fully
• 55:01
  sold on their relationship. I know that sounds bad.
• 55:05
  It was a standard. I didn't, I don't.
• 55:07
  Yeah, I don't actually think it was Evelyn.
• 55:09
  That was not selling me though. I think it was sillier, whoo,
• 55:14
  because everyone was so it was like, she was so driven to love
• 55:18
  her. And she was so out of her way,
• 55:21
  trying to protect her, that it was like, she just Ted fucking
• 55:24
  it up because she wouldn't see me play.
• 55:26
  It was like, she had only seen this way to protect her and that
• 55:29
  was it. Like she didn't see any other
• 55:31
  option but Celia was a bit delusional sometimes because she
• 55:35
  goes, I'm sick of hiding, which I get ya.
• 55:37
  But then Evelyn Would Rain her back in and be like, well what
• 55:39
  do you want me to do because this is our livelihood.
• 55:42
  Do you want us to have no inheritance for my child and
• 55:45
  blah blah blah? Like you want to just shoot them
• 55:47
  working to get to that point? So yeah, is that she's
• 55:50
  essentially saying my career would be wiped off the face of
• 55:53
  the Earth? And everyone would just all
• 55:55
  those bits where they're worried, that Connor was going
• 55:57
  to get taken away from. Yeah.
• 55:59
  For being gay. Yep.
• 56:01
  When it comes down to your child and your partner?
• 56:03
  Yeah. We're going to pick your partner
• 56:05
  your childhood sorry. Yeah hold on.
• 56:08
  Fuck the children. Get rid of them kids but oh yeah
• 56:12
  you would pick your job? Yeah, which is weird because
• 56:15
  Cecilia would say all this stuff but then she'd go.
• 56:17
  Oh but if CPS finds out, you're your to gay bars.
• 56:22
  They're gonna take And then she's like, well, what do you
• 56:25
  want? What do you want from me?
• 56:27
  She's like, Noah in the notebook.
• 56:32
  That's why she wasn't selling me.
• 56:33
  It's like it's all she ever wanted.
• 56:35
  And then she was like, hold up. Well everybody, she never win.
• 56:38
  She was blaming Evelyn for her, not wanting to come out.
• 56:41
  Yeah, that's really what it was. Yeah, she was using that as her
• 56:44
  clutch not coming on and that's it.
• 56:46
  I know. Staying quite advantaged, both
• 56:49
  of them in ways. Yeah.
• 56:52
  And Harry as well. Oh yeah, ours.
• 56:54
  Well, they do say in the book that Harry is that I don't
• 56:58
  because he's a man who get murdered.
• 57:01
  Yeah, so it was also Evelyn, poor Evelyn, she's chaotic
• 57:05
  energy. She's trying to protect Celia
• 57:08
  and hairier than getting murdered.
• 57:10
  And she's just in the middle making all the worst decisions.
• 57:12
  But it's because of this reason. What do you think?
• 57:15
  Everyone's blood pressure is at it and he given X or she didn't
• 57:19
  die. Fucking sooner of a heart
• 57:20
  attack. And we're eating Matic.
• 57:26
  I can't deal. No, wonder she got an Oscar.
• 57:29
  She was living that shit in your lat.
• 57:31
  Oh, yeah. Crazy.
• 57:34
  Who wouldn't agree to retire early and move to Spain?
• 57:37
  He had some money honestly, find out later.
• 57:40
  Why Harry didn't want to do it? Oh, yeah, which is the big
• 57:45
  reveal, which we'll get to crying vomiting.
• 57:48
  Crying forming, throwing up. Yeah.
• 57:50
  Sliding down a whole sliding myself. sexily sliding down of
• 57:56
  all shitting ourselves cutie throwing Hey, cutie throbbing.
• 58:06
  We're still make that our purview Celia's titties.
• 58:21
  Those little freckles on her head.
• 58:24
  So it's the olya and Evelyn and true lesbian fashion have
• 58:28
  decided to rekindle their entire relationship over brunch.
• 58:32
  I've had like a 15-minute does Josh, but she's like a fad diet
• 58:35
  anyway, this is a good. Yes.
• 58:37
  Okay. She's finally decided.
• 58:39
  She's okay with coming out of the closet and then, because
• 58:42
  she's dying Celia reveals that she's got in four seamer.
• 58:47
  Some sort of, it's something else, but it's emphysema.
• 58:50
  And it's because of all of them ciggies but she's great through
• 58:54
  seven seas. Yeah.
• 58:56
  The diet that the sunset Studios nutritionists.
• 59:01
  Let them on, which was probably a pack a day of cigarettes.
• 59:05
  He's going to kill her before she's even 60.
• 59:07
  Yeah, she makes it to like 61. I think sheet there 50 they have
• 59:12
  about 10 years she said she's got about 10 years left and so
• 59:15
  everyone doesn't even know what to make of it.
• 59:17
  She's like, are you kidding? And then they're kind of like do
• 59:20
  We even get back together. Is it?
• 59:22
  Can you even lose me? Yeah but then they've got ten
• 59:26
  good years who've got a thing in so then they're compromised and
• 59:29
  this is all silly. As idea is we move to Spain,
• 59:33
  your daughter's going to have a good life there.
• 59:35
  Harry can come with us. Hope other can come with.
• 59:38
  You can get married to my brother because they always have
• 59:40
  to be a fucking marriage. Why?
• 59:41
  Why do we bother him anymore? But the reason why silly wants
• 59:46
  her to get married to her brother is so that she could
• 59:47
  then be half in in charge of Stay State.
• 59:51
  Yeah but he could have done it as the brothers next of kin he
• 59:54
  was not bad brother eat. I mean maybe she wanted it like
• 59:59
  a definite. She did say that she didn't want
• 1:00:01
  anyone to oppose her getting every year but the storm but
• 1:00:06
  didn't need to be a fucking seventh marriage.
• 1:00:08
  So his name was Robert Jameson. Yes he was a good brother.
• 1:00:13
  He was that he was probably the second best marriage out of all.
• 1:00:17
  Let's Ryan come after. Yeah.
• 1:00:20
  Okay. So she goes back and she talks
• 1:00:22
  to Harry. Yeah, Harry's hesitant.
• 1:00:24
  And she doesn't know why and she thinks I think he started a
• 1:00:28
  relationship. So maybe that's what's impacted
• 1:00:30
  but he's had a bit of an alcohol problem.
• 1:00:32
  Anyway, yeah, generally in the art he had an alcohol problem
• 1:00:36
  because John died. Yes.
• 1:00:37
  So John was really healthy. He had a heart attack.
• 1:00:40
  He was the least likely be kind of been like, explain that.
• 1:00:43
  I'm sorry to things. Go on, he jumps out, fuck John.
• 1:00:50
  You'll notice the best, but fuck John, fuck jump and dying.
• 1:00:55
  How dare he how did he exit stage left?
• 1:00:59
  How dare he look after himself and be so healthy and then have
• 1:01:02
  a heart attack, right? Absolutely.
• 1:01:04
  And now Paradise how dies and the fucking cried the little
• 1:01:09
  this bitch for hours. This set me off on a roller
• 1:01:12
  coaster and I could not get off in the last conversation they
• 1:01:14
  had was essentially an argument about moving to Spain.
• 1:01:17
  Yeri was like nope I want to stay here and then Alan was
• 1:01:20
  coming around to his house or since she and she saw a fucking
• 1:01:23
  car wrapped around a fucking tree.
• 1:01:25
  Yeah, he's pretty much said, the person I am seeing cannot move.
• 1:01:29
  Yeah, that was it. I can't move because person, I'm
• 1:01:31
  saying, you cannot move. So she walks up on the scene.
• 1:01:34
  First person on the scene. She's got her driver Nick with
• 1:01:36
  her. Yeah, this random kid and she
• 1:01:39
  hops out. She realizes Harry's drunk
• 1:01:42
  almost dead. Yeah, he's being drained dry.
• 1:01:45
  She can smell the alcohol on him.
• 1:01:46
  Piles him into the car and instead she puts the past.
• 1:01:50
  Juror in the driver's seat because he's already dead.
• 1:01:53
  Yeah, she goes. So he gets the blame, he'll get
• 1:01:56
  the blame because Harry can't do it because he's a dad.
• 1:01:58
  And she thinks if he survived, he's not going to jail.
• 1:02:01
  Yeah, she does it. I get it.
• 1:02:03
  It makes a lot of sense. Hmm.
• 1:02:07
  He deserves to go to jail, but it makes a lot of sense.
• 1:02:10
  So she rushes him to hospital. And then she tells the driver,
• 1:02:13
  don't say shit to no one until you call me tomorrow.
• 1:02:16
  And we work this out. Yeah.
• 1:02:17
  She's essentially paying him off.
• 1:02:18
  Harry dies in the hospital. Hospital at nighttime about a
• 1:02:21
  couple hours later and then she says, please don't go.
• 1:02:24
  But if you have to go go. Yeah.
• 1:02:27
  And this is where I'm so jealous.
• 1:02:30
  That's why it's so conflicting. Because the rest of the book,
• 1:02:33
  The only thing that got me through was Irish.
• 1:02:35
  I know. All that was fucking you going
• 1:02:38
  on, but her and Harry was so special.
• 1:02:41
  They are homes and soul. Mates.
• 1:02:43
  They were soul mates. Yeah, a platonic solid.
• 1:02:45
  Yes, exactly. So him dying was bought because
• 1:02:48
  he is the father of her daughter.
• 1:02:50
  Yeah, and he was a good dad. Had best friend and she's going
• 1:02:53
  through. So you man because you like it
• 1:02:56
  was falling now like 50, 40, some hey Miss about 10 years
• 1:03:00
  older than how he was about public, 59 61, I think, I think
• 1:03:04
  it was, yeah, he was older the driver, which was Nick calls her
• 1:03:09
  the next day and in exchange for his silence, he wants her to
• 1:03:12
  make him into a movie star and she just beep, beep.
• 1:03:15
  Boop, makes a couple phone calls and I did on and then gets it
• 1:03:18
  started. Yeah.
• 1:03:19
  But how Good. But she does say that careful
• 1:03:22
  what you wish for. Yeah, she does say careful what
• 1:03:24
  you wish for but she also goes, he changed his name, changed his
• 1:03:28
  hair. Everything did like what she did
• 1:03:30
  but he would have got there on his own without her.
• 1:03:32
  Yeah. Anyway, yeah, like he was
• 1:03:34
  talented enough to get there and she was lowkey the younger.
• 1:03:37
  Her would have been impressed with how he took a bad situation
• 1:03:40
  slipped on a team like that's her, but he got it sooner than
• 1:03:44
  he would've. Yeah, you didn't have to put in
• 1:03:45
  much work so he went on to become a famous movie star which
• 1:03:49
  is like get it. But the car scene itself was
• 1:03:53
  covered up yet. So the passenger would have been
• 1:03:57
  found as the driver. Yes, dumb.
• 1:04:00
  Dumb dumb. They actually moved to Spain
• 1:04:04
  which works out great. Because Connor goes through the
• 1:04:07
  spiral. She's 13 14.
• 1:04:09
  She's getting drunk. She's happier aspects.
• 1:04:11
  She's having threesomes. Yep.
• 1:04:13
  She's doing all the worst things so they ship off to Spain.
• 1:04:16
  Yes. So they all go to Spain and
• 1:04:18
  she's like there's only one condition you have done.
• 1:04:20
  Dealing with me every day and you have to go see a
• 1:04:22
  psychologist which is pretty fair.
• 1:04:24
  Evelyn and Celia are just lying in bed one day and they're like,
• 1:04:28
  talking about marriage and talking about their relationship
• 1:04:32
  and silly was saying, she gets mad because she always thinks
• 1:04:35
  about all of the years I missed. Because I was probably, like,
• 1:04:37
  15, 20 years that they just didn't talk.
• 1:04:40
  Yeah, added up. Yeah.
• 1:04:42
  So that would be hectic and and then Evelyn's like, yeah, but
• 1:04:46
  all of practically all of her marriages would bullshit.
• 1:04:49
  Yeah, she can. Got a triangle.
• 1:04:51
  One of them. Can we get about Celia the whole
• 1:04:53
  time? Yeah.
• 1:04:54
  And then they decided to just sort of get makeshift.
• 1:04:57
  Married makeshift. Marry a spiritual mode.
• 1:04:59
  Well, I suppose, when you've been married so many times, it
• 1:05:01
  really does not matter to you if you're actually married and it's
• 1:05:05
  probably illegal Paul. Yeah, probably.
• 1:05:07
  Yeah, but it was just sad if so it really sort of goes to show
• 1:05:12
  how much gay people go through to be seen as legitimate like
• 1:05:18
  she could have seven. Fucking marriage.
• 1:05:20
  Has two great guys. And nobody would bat an eye.
• 1:05:23
  Yeah. But, because she was in a female
• 1:05:26
  female relationship, she couldn't even get married.
• 1:05:29
  It's just ridiculous, disgusting, it's still yeah,
• 1:05:34
  they should be essential reading.
• 1:05:38
  So like teenage son so they're thinking they haven't even got
• 1:05:43
  much time left. But they're really enjoying
• 1:05:45
  their years now because they're not insecure.
• 1:05:47
  They don't they're not there away from Hollywood Evelyn's not
• 1:05:50
  being a stupid bitch. Yeah and honestly I got with
• 1:05:53
  people Connors gone to Stanford. Yep.
• 1:05:55
  She's going to do Finance so their lives are settling down
• 1:05:59
  and Celia's dying. Yeah and she eventually died.
• 1:06:03
  She had about they had about six more years.
• 1:06:06
  Yeah so they had ten years Together, gotten married five
• 1:06:10
  years in and then they had another six.
• 1:06:12
  So she died at 61. That would be hard to know that
• 1:06:15
  it was going to come around the corner.
• 1:06:16
  Eventually. Yeah, it's sort of made them
• 1:06:19
  appreciate each other. We just kept going downhill.
• 1:06:22
  I know. And then looking Connor died I
• 1:06:26
  know I was like I was like how dare you she went off to UNI,
• 1:06:30
  she had a relationship and she separated from that person kind
• 1:06:34
  of thing and I mean her and Robert stayed together, they
• 1:06:38
  stay. They together the whole entire
• 1:06:39
  Talent time, they moved back to New York.
• 1:06:41
  They had my own apartment together.
• 1:06:44
  Everything I think he died first so Robert died too.
• 1:06:50
  Or he died after she's so weird. But she died at 39 of breast,
• 1:06:56
  cancer of breast cancer. Yeah, they found out.
• 1:06:58
  She had Advanced stages of it and she died at 13.
• 1:07:02
  I know, I know. Evelyn didn't even know what to
• 1:07:05
  fucking English. John.
• 1:07:10
  I suppose was yeah, Harry. Yep.
• 1:07:13
  And then it was fucking Celia and then Connor pain out of
• 1:07:17
  nowhere, all of it. Yeah, it's wild.
• 1:07:20
  It's wild. But I really didn't expect to
• 1:07:23
  call in to die. My tennis lady just have one win
• 1:07:26
  and not outlive her child. She really got had the shit his
• 1:07:33
  life and then she I kind of knew that she would be taken out at
• 1:07:39
  some stage by breast cancer herself.
• 1:07:42
  Yeah, so it's genetics. Oh, she found out, she was early
• 1:07:45
  stages. Connor died about 18 months
• 1:07:49
  after she found out. She had breast cancer, so she's
• 1:07:51
  messed up. He's gonna cry again.
• 1:07:54
  So basically that brings us up to the modern day.
• 1:07:57
  Yeah, and then we were back with Monique and Evelyn.
• 1:08:01
  She was telling the whole story yet then.
• 1:08:04
  Then everland admits to Monique that the guy who Harry was
• 1:08:08
  dating and was switched into the driver's seat was, in fact, a
• 1:08:13
  black man and it happened to be Monique's Dad.
• 1:08:16
  See, I knew that somewhere in them and the next day I had was
• 1:08:20
  so tired and somewhere. Yeah, I did not think I've wait
• 1:08:24
  so far left. I thought mini could be related
• 1:08:27
  to Evelyn in some Twisted way. Yeah, that's what I was
• 1:08:31
  thinking. Yeah, and the mom didn't know
• 1:08:33
  about it or whatever. Like I I thought she'd some
• 1:08:35
  cousins. I can remove or something.
• 1:08:37
  Yeah, like her dad being gay, haha.
• 1:08:42
  Yeah. Not where I was, and she didn't
• 1:08:43
  know her. Dad was gay, and everyone just
• 1:08:46
  kind of bombarded her. She's like, here's some letters
• 1:08:48
  and shit. And she's just like, oh, no.
• 1:08:49
  And she was pissed. She was Schrager.
• 1:08:52
  Devil, angry. She's like you fucking bitch.
• 1:08:54
  You tampered with a crime scene and you put, and I thought my
• 1:08:58
  dad was a drunk variety my whole life, so he is so he died when
• 1:09:03
  she was seven. And of course, her dad was never
• 1:09:08
  going to go with Harry. Who's he would never leave
• 1:09:11
  Monique and the mom. He loved her mom so much into it
• 1:09:16
  was just it was hairy and Celia just So bad.
• 1:09:25
  So many sitting there going you, fucking bitch, is this your way
• 1:09:28
  to try and compensate me? For all of this is that you want
• 1:09:31
  me to write stupid Memoir. And yeah and then everyone's
• 1:09:35
  like nothing's going to make up for it.
• 1:09:37
  I just thought you needed to know the truth.
• 1:09:38
  She held onto that letter for 30 years and she's like, I could
• 1:09:42
  have just found or contacted you but she had to, of course, do it
• 1:09:46
  in the most dramatic way? Possible.
• 1:09:47
  Yeah, of course I'm very own brand and gently all blindsided
• 1:09:51
  by the fact that it was her And because if they said black man
• 1:09:53
  in the passenger seat, we would have got it.
• 1:09:56
  Immediately figured it out. Yeah, immediately.
• 1:09:59
  Exactly. She said, a lot of times, I'm
• 1:10:02
  finalizing everything. I'm getting everything in order.
• 1:10:04
  And yes said, I liked how you wrote about the way that people
• 1:10:08
  have the right to choose when to end their life.
• 1:10:10
  So I know that you're going to handle my book properly.
• 1:10:13
  Yeah and she was kind of like a bit were but then she got it but
• 1:10:16
  Evelyn's planning and I supposed you hated Evelyn, you weren't
• 1:10:20
  gonna be fluffy about A life too.
• 1:10:23
  How do you get all the way home and wrap yourself in the
• 1:10:26
  driveway? Well, it can happen.
• 1:10:28
  I guess. Yeah.
• 1:10:30
  Maybe the alcohol wasn't slapping until then maybe they
• 1:10:34
  literally drinking and driving. So yeah, that was the dramatic
• 1:10:36
  reveal. That had an app that had me
• 1:10:38
  sugar. It haven't I was not going to
• 1:10:41
  see that coming so kind of you know what because of all the
• 1:10:44
  fucking deaths. Yeah we're never going to see
• 1:10:46
  that coming anyway because it was so draining to get us
• 1:10:49
  through everyone knows and one sort of was buried at the same
• 1:10:54
  place, burial place and it's just But you know what?
• 1:11:00
  Ultimately, don't you think? It's the biggest Flex to outlive
• 1:11:04
  all of your seven husbands? Yes.
• 1:11:06
  And then she took herself out on her own terms.
• 1:11:08
  She? Yeah, because she wasn't going
• 1:11:10
  to let her titties. Take her out.
• 1:11:11
  Yeah, she's very into this. All they're not taking her out
• 1:11:14
  irony, so she's actually kind of smart.
• 1:11:16
  Yeah. And then she went out and she
• 1:11:18
  just didn't even have to face the backlash of her book either.
• 1:11:21
  Yeah. She's like, Fuck it.
• 1:11:22
  This is the truth. Take it or not.
• 1:11:24
  Yeah, and it's just mic drop, I'm out.
• 1:11:27
  I mean, and also all them people That would have been the same
• 1:11:30
  age going through the same three things.
• 1:11:32
  Her would have read it and but yeah, I think that makes a lot
• 1:11:34
  of fucking fat. Exactly.
• 1:11:35
  And even new generations that are like, wow yeah.
• 1:11:38
  There were gay people. They just had to cover it up way
• 1:11:41
  more than younger people can now I guess?
• 1:11:45
  Yeah. I thought we were rating system.
• 1:11:47
  We could do how many husbands out of 7.
• 1:11:51
  How many coochie throbs? How many sliding down the Bulls?
• 1:11:56
  How many depressive sliding down the wall shitting?
• 1:11:58
  Your hence out of 77 husband's is like, I mean the book was a
• 1:12:05
  roller coaster. Yeah, it had a lot of it.
• 1:12:09
  Have a lot of tea. I was here for the TV.
• 1:12:12
  You know what had so much and not enough.
• 1:12:14
  It was so annoying because I think you're trying to fit so
• 1:12:17
  much in and you've got to get it through really quickly.
• 1:12:20
  Well, there's so much more we could have gotten, but we only
• 1:12:23
  got a little snap ins of everything.
• 1:12:25
  But I think the cool thing is, when you look back at it in the
• 1:12:27
  context of this is her biography.
• 1:12:29
  You got the biography. Yeah, so that's kind of cool.
• 1:12:32
  Yeah, I really. I loved her last quote, in the
• 1:12:35
  end of the book, and it's something like I don't care
• 1:12:38
  about my seven husbands because they're all going to care about
• 1:12:41
  my wife. Anyway.
• 1:12:41
  Yeah. Everyone's going to be more
• 1:12:43
  interested in my one wife, my one.
• 1:12:45
  Oh my God. Damn.
• 1:12:47
  Well then why'd you marry them? That was cheaper than men away?
• 1:12:53
  Yeah, disposable. Yeah, or my gosh?
• 1:12:56
  Okay, so we've got, I've got a list of the seven husbands.
• 1:12:59
  I'll wait, what's our rating but would you write it out of seven?
• 1:13:02
  Husbands out of seven? Yeah.
• 1:13:05
  It's so hard part. Yeah.
• 1:13:08
  Because I loved the ending by the first half was a drag.
• 1:13:12
  Yeah. And I didn't care about fucking
• 1:13:14
  money coffee table. I will read a little Sideline
• 1:13:19
  Story was stupid. Yeah I'm going to give it six
• 1:13:22
  out of seven husbands because yeah it's served.
• 1:13:25
  It was a really good book. It is not that it's a bad book.
• 1:13:28
  Know, it's a really good book. And honestly I well I've had a
• 1:13:31
  seven is a good rating. Yeah.
• 1:13:33
  And I would Give it a straight 7 but actually like it was not.
• 1:13:37
  It was so much but not enough. Like I wanted more my family's,
• 1:13:40
  I wanted more. Yeah, sometimes stuff was
• 1:13:43
  glossed over in move forward real quick and yeah, that was my
• 1:13:46
  only problem. Otherwise, I love the book, I
• 1:13:49
  actually didn't think I was gonna like the book at all.
• 1:13:51
  Yeah. So if the book was more
• 1:13:52
  in-depth, I actually like Julie establishing stuff.
• 1:13:54
  When she was young, I liked little, I like the young
• 1:13:57
  establishing stuff. It set off her character really
• 1:14:00
  well, especially her being sexualized.
• 1:14:02
  Yeah, having to Essentially become a prostitute to get food.
• 1:14:08
  Well, that's great. All of the husband's much best
• 1:14:12
  to worst. Okay, so best has to be Harry.
• 1:14:15
  Has to be because he's soul. Mate, he's best boys.
• 1:14:18
  Okay, I'm popping in Harry's number one, Harry's a dream.
• 1:14:25
  He will ya and he was not abusive.
• 1:14:27
  No, they only had sex to procreate.
• 1:14:31
  Yeah, it's funny. You know what?
• 1:14:33
  He made her breakfast. First, he helped her shower.
• 1:14:36
  He did all of that. Yep.
• 1:14:38
  Okay. Great.
• 1:14:39
  So who was I will Robert either has to be right?
• 1:14:43
  Yeah. I reckon Robert number to his
• 1:14:45
  brother. Oh yeah.
• 1:14:46
  For sure, for sure. Because he was a good like, I
• 1:14:50
  guess. This is kind of like a
• 1:14:51
  stepped-up. Yeah.
• 1:14:53
  Yeah, yeah third. I reckon has to be Rex.
• 1:14:57
  Yes. Yes.
• 1:14:58
  Because they just had the arrangement.
• 1:15:00
  Yeah. And it just worked.
• 1:15:02
  It's funny. How all the best husbands with?
• 1:15:04
  They're not to be her real husband.
• 1:15:05
  I know those beards ended up the best ones, and then I'm thinking
• 1:15:11
  would it be? Make just because he was there
• 1:15:16
  for exactly what she just was able to use him exactly how she
• 1:15:19
  wants. Yeah, it was pretty predictable
• 1:15:21
  and easy to. He wasn't really a husband.
• 1:15:23
  No, he didn't really count but he's definitely not the worst
• 1:15:25
  because he wasn't not Yusuf who just a bit of a pig.
• 1:15:29
  Yeah, so like me Nick well, which one may call only because
• 1:15:34
  both of them were just used and abused.
• 1:15:35
  I right now. I reckon make then Ernie Ernie
• 1:15:39
  because he was leaning on the side of pedo.
• 1:15:42
  Yeah, is fifth unintentionally, but he would have known.
• 1:15:46
  Hey, Mikey was laying on my letterhead.
• 1:15:48
  Oh, she she's still in school? Okay, so battle for the worst
• 1:15:52
  because it's either, the worst is Max Gerard or the worstest on
• 1:15:55
  Adler. And I feel like the work should
• 1:15:58
  be done and should be done. Yeah.
• 1:16:00
  Because Max, let's be honest. I kind of tie.
• 1:16:04
  Yeah, but no Max only tried to Outer but he was otherwise a
• 1:16:07
  good dad to. Yeah, Connor.
• 1:16:11
  Yeah, so it's hard to and only she would be all right, Ernie.
• 1:16:19
  He's back on the chopping block, fuck any?
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  Um, I don't know what's worse. Donna is 100% being a pet owner
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  or or constantly calling someone a dyke But only was harmless
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  when she left, he didn't stalk her, he didn't.
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  Yeah, he might. Yeah, he's fine.
• 1:16:39
  He's just in the middle. No, I think only should be 5.
• 1:16:42
  I mean, six, yeah, makes sense. Yeah, no, no, I don't know.
• 1:16:45
  Max tried to be not. Max is 6 because he tried to
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  blackmail her essentially. Yeah, he was sorry.
• 1:16:51
  He would have been abusive and he cheated on her till.
• 1:16:54
  Yeah, I forgot a little, the constant cheating and Dawn's the
• 1:16:57
  worst. Daanish is arguable.
• 1:16:59
  And it's not because it's not because physical abuse is worse.
• 1:17:04
  I think it's just it's that I love bombing and I'm apologizing
• 1:17:09
  and then like she was scared when that whole not pregnancy
• 1:17:13
  thinking and she's like I do not want to see him.
• 1:17:15
  Hmm so-so her fear is kind of matters only bad in the end.
• 1:17:21
  Yeah the only trophy water whereas Dawn wanted to keep at
• 1:17:26
  home and not let her have a Korea.
• 1:17:29
  Yep oh yes he was controlling he was controlling.
• 1:17:33
  He wouldn't he ruined her career to hear?
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  I do embarrassing. Shit like stopping Middle
• 1:17:37
  Highway and like hitter at work like, yeah.
• 1:17:41
  He's hundred percent worse. So isn't it ironic that the most
• 1:17:45
  legitimate of the relationships were the worst behaved?
• 1:17:49
  Yeah, so it goes. Don was the worst Max Ernie.
• 1:17:53
  They were all o, learning wasn't even a real relationship, Ernie,
• 1:17:58
  make then Rex, and then they're all not real.
• 1:18:02
  Elation, fuck it up. Barely real one was really Maxim
• 1:18:06
  dong. Yeah, because they're the ones
• 1:18:08
  that she had a sexual attraction to Young wanted to have an
• 1:18:11
  actual relationship. Wanted to be dry.
• 1:18:13
  The rest. She didn't the rest were just
• 1:18:16
  there, but Harry was the best. Harry Harry will always be the
• 1:18:20
  best so lucky that she had a kid with Harry.
• 1:18:22
  Yeah, though. Both in the closet, he wanted
• 1:18:25
  children. What better person to have a
• 1:18:26
  child within your best friend? Exactly.
• 1:18:28
  Yeah. That you already have to live
• 1:18:30
  with. Yep.
• 1:18:32
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