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Ep. 328: How to Find Your Own Back 40 with Joe Gizdic and Shawn Kelley · Wired To Hunt Podcast

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for
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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,
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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt Podcast. I'm
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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number three
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Speaker 1: and today the show, we're diving deep into the story
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Speaker 1: of how we found and purchased our meat Eater back
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Speaker 1: forty Farm and advice for finding your own special piece
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Speaker 1: of ground. If you've ever dreamed voning hunting property, this
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Speaker 1: one's for you. Okay, hello folks, and welcome to the
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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt Podcast, brought to you by on x Tay.
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Speaker 1: The show, we are shifting gears a little bit, as
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Speaker 1: many of you are probably switching gears in your minds too.
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Speaker 1: You know, the holidays are here and the deer hunting
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Speaker 1: season is either wrapped up for you or very soon
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Speaker 1: will be. So well, that said, we're gonna start looking
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Speaker 1: forward a little bit to the new year. Now almost
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Speaker 1: exactly a year ago. At the beginning of last year,
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Speaker 1: I was just beginning a project process that honestly was
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Speaker 1: really daunting. For the first time in my life, I
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Speaker 1: was trying to find a piece of hunting land to buy.
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Speaker 1: It's something that so many of us, dream of, we
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Speaker 1: wonder about, we imagine um. And it's something that I
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Speaker 1: always assumed that when I had the means to do it,
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Speaker 1: to actually purchase hunting property, it'd just be a piece
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Speaker 1: of cake once you could do it, It's just all
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Speaker 1: rainbows and butterflies. But I quickly found out that's not
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Speaker 1: exactly true. There's a lot more to it than I realized.
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Speaker 1: But as most of you know, I was able to
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Speaker 1: find a piece of ground, and together with me either
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Speaker 1: we bought it. We bought the Back forty and it's
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Speaker 1: now being documented for this new show called The Back forty.
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Speaker 1: So today what I wanted to do was pull back
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Speaker 1: the curtains on the story of that search. You know,
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Speaker 1: everything that happened to be getting how we decided the
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Speaker 1: types of places we were looking for, and the struggles
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Speaker 1: I had finding a spot, what the criteria were um
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Speaker 1: and then ultimately once we decide okay, this is the
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Speaker 1: property we want, what all goes into actually putting in
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Speaker 1: an offer and dealing with the landowner and figuring out
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Speaker 1: all these other little bits of minutia that I had
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Speaker 1: no idea about. That's what we're gonna talk about. What
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Speaker 1: I learned along the way, the ins and outs of
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Speaker 1: how we were able to purchase this piece of sixty
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Speaker 1: four acres, and everything you need to do to go
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Speaker 1: through the same process yourself if someday down the road
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Speaker 1: you decided something you want to do. So that's what
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Speaker 1: we've gotten store today. Joining me for the conversation is
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Speaker 1: Joe giz Dick and Sean Kelly, the team members from
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Speaker 1: White Tail Properties who helped me through this process last spring. Uh.
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Speaker 1: This conversation was recorded earlier this year, just after we
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Speaker 1: bought the farm, so as you listen to it, you'll
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Speaker 1: hear me full of optimism and this unknown I don't
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Speaker 1: know what's the what the year has in store. Now
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Speaker 1: many of you do know it was all sorts of
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Speaker 1: interesting things happened, struggles, trials and tribulations, and some some
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Speaker 1: amazing success too along the way. So without further ado,
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Speaker 1: let's take a break to think a couple of our partners,
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Speaker 1: and then we'll get right to my chat with Joe
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Speaker 1: and Sean. Before we do that, though, I gotta give
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Speaker 1: a little plug here to that back forty series I
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Speaker 1: just mentioned, because if you've not seen these episodes over
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Speaker 1: on the Meteor YouTube channel. You gotta check it out. Uh,
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Speaker 1: they're coming along. Our project has been full of, as
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Speaker 1: I mentioned, ups and downs, and I think our videos
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Speaker 1: are showcasing that in a way that's pretty compelling. I
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Speaker 1: might be biased, but our last two episodes of the
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Speaker 1: season just came out. This showcases my ultimate success finally
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Speaker 1: trying to kill Mature Buck, and then the second episode
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Speaker 1: kind of recaps the recovery and some special moments that
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Speaker 1: I shared with my son and my father. Uh, and
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Speaker 1: it's probably my favorite work we've done to date yet.
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Speaker 1: So go on over to the media to YouTube channel.
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Speaker 1: We've got seven episodes out right now. Check it out.
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Speaker 1: Feedback has been great. I think you'll enjoy it, and
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Speaker 1: probably you should watch that first before listening to this
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Speaker 1: episode because it will kind of color what's possible if
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Speaker 1: you were to go down this road. So that all said,
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Speaker 1: a couple of partners too, all right with me? Now
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Speaker 1: on the line is Joe giz Dick and Sean Kelly
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Speaker 1: from White Tail Properties. Thank you guys for taking time
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Speaker 1: to do this. Thank you glad to be here. My pleasure,
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Speaker 1: and uh, it's it's neat to finally be able to
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Speaker 1: have this conversation that we're about to be having because
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Speaker 1: I've talked a lot in past years with folks from
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Speaker 1: white Tail Properties about what the whole buying process is
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Speaker 1: like or what to be thinking about when making the
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Speaker 1: decision to purchase a piece of hunting ground, and there's
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Speaker 1: a lot to it. But I was always hearing about
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Speaker 1: it secondhand, you know. I was always talking to someone
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Speaker 1: who went through it, or I was talking with a
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Speaker 1: land specialist about what that's like. But I had never
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Speaker 1: been in those shoes before UM, and never been able
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Speaker 1: to actually work with someone at white Tail Properties in
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Speaker 1: that kind of capacity. But now I actually have UM.
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Speaker 1: So I'm looking at this thing from a whole new
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Speaker 1: perspective and I'm excited to have this different kind of
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Speaker 1: conversation now. But I guess before we dive into what
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Speaker 1: just has been going on over the past couple of months,
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Speaker 1: I do want to make sure that folks listening, no,
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Speaker 1: you know exactly what it is you guys do with
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Speaker 1: white Tail Properties. So maybe Joe, could you quickly introduce
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Speaker 1: who you are and what you do and then and
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Speaker 1: Sean you can hop on out of that. So I'm
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Speaker 1: Joe gives think I'm based out of Pitchfield Out, Illinois
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Speaker 1: out of our home office. I'm sales manager for white
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Speaker 1: Tail Properties real Estate and also run our auction division,
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Speaker 1: which is ranching farm auptions. UH. For years, I was
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Speaker 1: a sales eight and just like Sean, Sean UH that
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Speaker 1: had the opportunity of those other agents. Jean, Yeah, I'm
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Speaker 1: Sean Kelly. I'm the Southeast Michigan in South central Michigan
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Speaker 1: agent for white Tail Properties UM help people buy and
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Speaker 1: sell land in the south the Machine area. And and
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Speaker 1: that's why you know, you and me start working because
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Speaker 1: I was looking for some ground in that area. And
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Speaker 1: I'm glad it worked out that way because I've really
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Speaker 1: enjoyed getting to chat with you more Sean and getting
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Speaker 1: to work with you on this stuff. And I guess
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Speaker 1: that should be how we just get into it, because
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Speaker 1: over the past five months or so, I've been on
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Speaker 1: this search myself for a small hunting property. So my
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Speaker 1: game plan here today was to to kind of share
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Speaker 1: that story, UM, while you guys are here with me,
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Speaker 1: to interject and give your own perspectives on things, or
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Speaker 1: give different opinions or ideas about things that I did
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Speaker 1: or what other people might go through when they're involved
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Speaker 1: in that own process themselves. Uh, And I think we'll
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Speaker 1: be able to take a look at this one specific
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Speaker 1: example and use it to discuss the larger story and
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Speaker 1: process of buy a property. I think it's gonna be
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Speaker 1: an interesting conversation. So we will start at the very beginning,
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Speaker 1: when I just started looking at this stuff, and we'll
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Speaker 1: eventually get to the point where you know, you and
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Speaker 1: Mi Sean start talking and you eventually started helping me,
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Speaker 1: and when we finally got to the point where we
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Speaker 1: actually closed in a property. And the very first step
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Speaker 1: for me at least, was kind of thinking through and
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Speaker 1: deciding on the criteria as far as what am I
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Speaker 1: looking for in a property, and at a real high
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Speaker 1: level what I had determined And I remember, Sean, you
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Speaker 1: probably remember this. You and me had a conversation about this.
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Speaker 1: But at a high level, what I was looking for
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Speaker 1: was a small property, relatively affordable, probably like thirty to
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Speaker 1: sixty acres the most, in which I could you know,
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Speaker 1: manage and have some quality deer hunting, while also you know,
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Speaker 1: there are being opportunities to to really work the ground,
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Speaker 1: have diversity habitat, and to have um, you know, the
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Speaker 1: opportunity to do a bunch of different things. Because I
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Speaker 1: was looking at this property not just as like I
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Speaker 1: want to just kill big Bucks, but I also wanted
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Speaker 1: something that we could use, you know, through wired hunt,
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Speaker 1: to be an educational tool, something we could use as
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Speaker 1: an example to share with people. All these different ideas
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Speaker 1: about how to manage habitat, how to you know, implement
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Speaker 1: different private land conservation practices of course, how to manage deer,
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Speaker 1: all these different things. I really want something that would
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Speaker 1: be like a a blank canvas, or like the right
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Speaker 1: canvas to draw this this picture on, you might say
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Speaker 1: as an analogy. Um so, so it's a kind of
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Speaker 1: unique set of criteria had. But in general, all the
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Speaker 1: other things that you look for for a good small
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Speaker 1: hunting property applied to so. I was looking for a property,
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Speaker 1: could you know hold dear? So I want some cover.
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Speaker 1: I was looking for a property that I thought I'd
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Speaker 1: be able to access with different wind directions and things
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Speaker 1: like that. I looked at the neighborhood. Who else was
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Speaker 1: around me? Might there other be be other people that
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Speaker 1: maybe would have similar management goals? Um I looked at
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Speaker 1: the place like it doesn't have the potential like to
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Speaker 1: do the kind of products I want so, would there
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Speaker 1: be places to grow food plots? Would there be places
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Speaker 1: to have quality betting airs? All that kind of stuff?
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Speaker 1: Um at a really high level where some of the
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Speaker 1: things I was looking for UM. But I guess I'm
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Speaker 1: curious from your guys's perspective, and maybe Sean, I know
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Speaker 1: we had these conversations, you and me, and you shared
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Speaker 1: a little bit of insight into this. But what are
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Speaker 1: some of the other things that you talk to people
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Speaker 1: about or that you'd recommend people thinking about when they
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Speaker 1: are determining what their criteria should be for what's a
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Speaker 1: good property, right they go out there, they start looking,
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Speaker 1: what are some of the things that you think are
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Speaker 1: important for someone to consider. I think everything that you
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Speaker 1: talked about were kind of like a lot of the
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Speaker 1: basic or the core core things. But you know, somebody
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Speaker 1: just has to sit down and and really do what
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Speaker 1: you did as far as identifying your needs. And what
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Speaker 1: I find is that you know, whether you're a buyer,
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Speaker 1: a seller, or the property, they can be so different
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Speaker 1: from one another. It's it's kind of just that individual
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Speaker 1: needs to sit down and really map out everything we
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Speaker 1: want in the property, like their needs and their wants,
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Speaker 1: and then and start looking for it. Yeah, kind of
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Speaker 1: like where you're going with that that question. Yeah, and
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Speaker 1: what about like on a small like for someone who's
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Speaker 1: coming at it with the budget to do something like
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Speaker 1: this size or something like that. Um. I know you're
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Speaker 1: serious deer hunter too, and you're you're looking at a
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Speaker 1: lot of these places. Are there any other little things
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Speaker 1: you look for on a property that makes you think, oh,
10:15
Speaker 1: this could be a good small property anything like that? Yeah,
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Speaker 1: you know. I think the number one thing is something
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Speaker 1: you talked about, was, you know, identifying your neighbors. And
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Speaker 1: when I say neighbors, not just you know, the people,
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Speaker 1: but the terrain, what what's surrounding you, because you know,
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Speaker 1: and if one of your goals is is big bucks
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Speaker 1: you want to have, you want to be centered in
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Speaker 1: an area where your bucks are gonna reach an older
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Speaker 1: age class. And if if you've got terrain around you
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Speaker 1: that's really difficult to hunt and people can't get in
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Speaker 1: there and or really do a hurt and on the
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Speaker 1: deer herd or the or the bucks that are there,
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Speaker 1: then that's a good thing for your property. If that's
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Speaker 1: one of your needs. You might want deer numbers. Um,
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Speaker 1: but I think neighbors is one of the most important things. Yeah, Joe,
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Speaker 1: Would you add anything else as far as how to
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Speaker 1: think about the criteria process or a specifics, Yeah, I got.
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Speaker 1: I got several suggestions. One one is I would make
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Speaker 1: that list of what you're looking for. Then I prioritize
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Speaker 1: that list what is the most important thing to you
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Speaker 1: to what is the least important thing. Because most guys
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Speaker 1: get into this, okay, they want to pond tre fishing,
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Speaker 1: they want a nice cabin, they want to grow great
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Speaker 1: big bucks, and they want to pay half price. That
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Speaker 1: stuff doesn't exist sometimes, so you've gotta make sure what
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Speaker 1: your priorities are, uh and and get those in a list,
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Speaker 1: and make sure that that's a fluid list. I'm gonna
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Speaker 1: tell you most of the time, when you go to
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Speaker 1: start star showing farms as a land specialist, we'll take
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Speaker 1: a buyer and what will what his list was originally
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Speaker 1: maybe turned completely upside down by the time he settles
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Speaker 1: in on a farm, because after you look at two, three, four,
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Speaker 1: or five twenty farms, it doesn't matter. We'll show you
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Speaker 1: as many as you want to look at until you
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Speaker 1: find that piece that speaks to you in the fit
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Speaker 1: your criteria. So that list is not a hardline outline
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Speaker 1: it is. It is a living, breathing, uh list. So
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Speaker 1: just don't don't be so focused on it has to
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Speaker 1: be exactly all these details, because a lot of times
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Speaker 1: those details that you want you can actually create with
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Speaker 1: your own work and own habitat management. Yeah, that's a
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Speaker 1: great point. I definitely felt like I I kind of
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Speaker 1: had to readjust expectations to myself. Like I came into
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Speaker 1: it thinking, Okay, we're gonna get a B, C, D,
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Speaker 1: E F G. Right, it's gonna be it's gonna be
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Speaker 1: in a great neighborhood. It's gonna be great terrain, there's
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Speaker 1: gonna be opportunity for food. There's gonna be the best
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Speaker 1: neighbors in the world. There's gonna be you know, eighteen
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Speaker 1: million different things that I wanted out of it, and
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Speaker 1: what I found it was kind of interesting, at least
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Speaker 1: in my process at first. It took a while, but
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Speaker 1: I thought that once you make the decision to buy
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Speaker 1: a farm, like you've got the financing, you can do it.
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Speaker 1: I always thought it would be easy to find the
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Speaker 1: right one. That I always thought the holding up was
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Speaker 1: just making them to do it and then once I
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Speaker 1: made the decision that spot would be there and I
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Speaker 1: could just have a lot of fun looking at a
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Speaker 1: couple of places and then pick my Christmas present. And uh,
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Speaker 1: it didn't It didn't end up being like that. It
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Speaker 1: actually ended up being a little bit frustrating because I
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Speaker 1: couldn't find the right fit. I felt like I was
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Speaker 1: looking and looking and looking and and and I'll kind
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Speaker 1: of in a second here walk through some of these
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Speaker 1: specific places I looked at. But I would see something
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Speaker 1: and yeah, this isn't gonna work, and I see another one,
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Speaker 1: and and maybe I'd find one that I thought would
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Speaker 1: be a pretty good fit. And then the next day
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Speaker 1: I found out it was under contract and sold. Um.
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Speaker 1: So it ended up being a lot harder than I
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Speaker 1: thought it was gonna be, just at least because of
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Speaker 1: I was because I was I was in the narrow area,
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Speaker 1: like I had to find something with it. I was
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Speaker 1: trying to find something within an hour of where I live. Um,
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Speaker 1: it was not as easy to find a really high
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Speaker 1: quality property as I thought I was gonna be. Um.
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Speaker 1: And you made some good point, Sean about you know
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Speaker 1: the importance of what's the rest of the area around
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Speaker 1: the property. I had a couple of spots that looked
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Speaker 1: really great as an individual parcel, but they were like
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Speaker 1: islands in the know nothing, and I just had to
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Speaker 1: be tough on myself and say, yeah, the parcel looks awesome,
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Speaker 1: but look at the big picture and how do you
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Speaker 1: really think that's gonna play out? Um, Joe? Are there
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Speaker 1: any other specific things when it comes to when someone's
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Speaker 1: trying to analyze the small property and determine like is
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Speaker 1: this a let's just say their goal is, Hey, I
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Speaker 1: want to manage for older age class bucks. I want
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Speaker 1: to I want to small property. It's gonna make for
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Speaker 1: great hunting, and I want some mature deer on it.
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Speaker 1: That's my number one goal. But I can only get
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Speaker 1: something that's you know, thirties sixty acres. Are there any
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Speaker 1: other specific criteria you suggest thinking about than the ones
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Speaker 1: we've talked about. You know, Sean hit those points really
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Speaker 1: well that the neighborhood as key to train as a
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Speaker 1: giant key. You need to be able to get in
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Speaker 1: and get out without spook and deer if you're playing
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Speaker 1: on olden there on your farm. Uh, some of these
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Speaker 1: are better suited if you have neighbors who don't haunt,
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Speaker 1: or you have a wildlife reserve or something that can't
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Speaker 1: be hutted. Send my goals. You're better off the half
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Speaker 1: the best betting habitat will more of the food habitat.
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Speaker 1: My personal farm is that way. I've got several areas
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Speaker 1: acres around me there are no hunting, but I hold
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Speaker 1: all the food. So uh. That that was just the
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Speaker 1: neighborhood that I ended up in where my house is.
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Speaker 1: That I would probably refer the other way around, but
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Speaker 1: I do. I do enjoy my situation where nobody else
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Speaker 1: is bothering a deer. But when you were going through that,
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Speaker 1: you brought up two key points that I'd like to
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Speaker 1: expound upon just a little bit. One. The first one
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Speaker 1: to be patient, uh, and you learn that just because
15:34
Speaker 1: you decide you're gonna buy something doesn't mean you gotta
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Speaker 1: run out to the grocery store and pick it up. Uh.
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Speaker 1: Be patient, look at several make sure it fits, make
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Speaker 1: sure you find the one that fits that uh meets
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Speaker 1: your criterteria and just perfectly perfectly honest it's pretty to
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Speaker 1: you something that you like and you will enjoy. Number
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Speaker 1: two in your conversation there was if you find the
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Speaker 1: right piece, be ready to make an offer immediately because
16:00
Speaker 1: of it's a right piece, there's a good chance it's
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Speaker 1: a right piece for somebody else to and there's several
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Speaker 1: other buyers like yourself looking. So you have to manage
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Speaker 1: that being patient with being able and ready to strike
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Speaker 1: fairly fast when you find the right one, because it
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Speaker 1: is it is a little bit uh it hurts your
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Speaker 1: heart to know you found the perfect piece and somebody
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Speaker 1: else is already got it. Yeah. Yeah, Well, you know, Sean,
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Speaker 1: you and me had a conversation about this because once
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Speaker 1: I started searching, I started, you know, looking at what
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Speaker 1: white Tail Properties had to offer, and I talked to
16:33
Speaker 1: you on the phone and you mentioned you did have
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Speaker 1: one parcel that was kind of within my range that
16:38
Speaker 1: might be of interest, and and then I started kind
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Speaker 1: of walking you through what this criteria was that I
16:43
Speaker 1: just described, and you mentioned that it's actually pretty hard
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Speaker 1: to find pieces like that that stand in the market
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Speaker 1: very long, right, because if there is a really good
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Speaker 1: piece that hits all that you know, checks all the boxes,
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Speaker 1: they go pretty fast. Right. Is that what you've seen
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Speaker 1: around here? Oh? Absolutely, I mean especially in this this area,
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Speaker 1: it's um there's a lot of hunters looking for that
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Speaker 1: that perfect piece, and when they come up, they're not
17:08
Speaker 1: there very long. Yeah, that's definitely what I what I saw,
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Speaker 1: and I think something that might illustrate some of these
17:16
Speaker 1: different criteria we were looking at and how I thought
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Speaker 1: through It was the first property I went to go
17:20
Speaker 1: look at made the decision like we're gonna buy this.
17:23
Speaker 1: We're gonna buy a property. I pulled up the White
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Speaker 1: Tail Properties website and I started looking at stuff within
17:28
Speaker 1: the ballpark of where I'm at, and I I originally
17:31
Speaker 1: thought I might be able to look into northern Indiana
17:34
Speaker 1: and northern Ohio as well as Michigan. So I started
17:38
Speaker 1: scrolling through and looking at properties in the map, and
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Speaker 1: I saw a small property listed UH with tim woods
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Speaker 1: down in Ohio, and I pulled it up, and right
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Speaker 1: away I saw it was small, but it had lots
17:49
Speaker 1: of cover on it. It was it was twenty seven acres,
17:52
Speaker 1: so it was on the on the very low side
17:53
Speaker 1: of what I was looking at, but it was all
17:55
Speaker 1: like pine trees and cedars and tall grass and just
17:59
Speaker 1: gnarly thick cover. And then it connected into some bigger
18:03
Speaker 1: timber um and some good looking countries. So from like,
18:06
Speaker 1: I looked at the aero map. I kind of liked
18:08
Speaker 1: what I saw from an aero perspective. I looked at
18:10
Speaker 1: all the pictures. I really liked the fact that was
18:12
Speaker 1: it was almost all cover, but there were little openings,
18:15
Speaker 1: little grassy patches where you could put a quarter acre,
18:17
Speaker 1: half acre food plot, that kind of thing. Um, there's
18:21
Speaker 1: a handful trail camera pictures didn't show me much, but
18:24
Speaker 1: it was very intriguing, and it was really affordable. It
18:27
Speaker 1: was on the you know, because of how small it was.
18:29
Speaker 1: It definitely fit within our budget we're working with. So
18:32
Speaker 1: right away I called him up, I said, hey, can
18:35
Speaker 1: I go? Can we go check all this property? He's like, yep,
18:37
Speaker 1: let's do it. And I went and walked it and
18:40
Speaker 1: it was really it was one of those things like
18:44
Speaker 1: you said, Joe, it feels right like it was pretty.
18:47
Speaker 1: It felt pretty to me. I got out there and
18:49
Speaker 1: just had that oh wow, like this just it looked
18:52
Speaker 1: like what you imagine like a brushy, ceedery thick in Iowa,
18:57
Speaker 1: looking like like I could just see a hundred and
18:59
Speaker 1: seventy five year old bucks stepping out and walking towards
19:02
Speaker 1: my stand, and right away I fell in love with it.
19:05
Speaker 1: I started walking like, oh my gosh, there's it's so thick.
19:08
Speaker 1: But also there's these areas there's like paths cut through
19:12
Speaker 1: where this used to be like an old Christmas tree farm.
19:14
Speaker 1: I guess parts of it over the years, so it's
19:16
Speaker 1: all different age classes, um, and big kind of cutouts
19:19
Speaker 1: throughout it where there were these small openings that you
19:22
Speaker 1: could do cool things with. Someone's young, someone's old. It's
19:24
Speaker 1: nice diversity, but you know you could make you could
19:27
Speaker 1: hold dear, no doubt about you could hold dear. And
19:30
Speaker 1: I walked through and I flucked. I bumped like I
19:32
Speaker 1: don't know, fifteen twenty turkeys, and there was a shed
19:35
Speaker 1: antler on the ground, and there's big rubs and all
19:39
Speaker 1: the all those little like light balls were blasting off
19:43
Speaker 1: in my face like this is cool. And I was
19:47
Speaker 1: tempted to say right and then then and now let's
19:49
Speaker 1: buy it, let's do it, um, but I caught myself
19:54
Speaker 1: and I was like, you know what, that's I feel
19:56
Speaker 1: like that's one of those common mistakes that I've heard about,
19:59
Speaker 1: like you've fallen love of the first thing you see, um,
20:02
Speaker 1: Like if you go to pick up a puppy at
20:03
Speaker 1: the store, and you that first puppy that runs up
20:05
Speaker 1: to you and and licks your shoe. Usually it's really
20:08
Speaker 1: easy to say, oh my gosh, that's the one. UM.
20:11
Speaker 1: I was worried that might happen, though, so I tried
20:13
Speaker 1: to like, Okay, I'm not going to make a decision today.
20:16
Speaker 1: I need to go home and think about this um
20:19
Speaker 1: and not be emotional. Is that was that doing something
20:22
Speaker 1: and experience something that a lot of people go with, Joe?
20:25
Speaker 1: Is that a common thing? And is that a common mistake? Maybe?
20:28
Speaker 1: Or am I was I thinking thinking about it too much?
20:32
Speaker 1: It is? But I can tell you if you've been
20:34
Speaker 1: through the process several times, uh, not being your first time,
20:38
Speaker 1: if that you fell in love with it off the bat,
20:40
Speaker 1: you would have made an offer right then and there.
20:42
Speaker 1: You wouldn't awaited because I don't know whether that property
20:44
Speaker 1: sold or not. But yeah, if it feels right, A
20:48
Speaker 1: lot of times it is the right form. But I
20:51
Speaker 1: always tell guys, I mean that if if you're working
20:53
Speaker 1: with a good land specialist, they'll let you know if
20:55
Speaker 1: there's any activity on it, whether I think it's gonna sell,
20:58
Speaker 1: whether I'll people are looking at it in media too,
21:01
Speaker 1: And that can help. God, your decision, but uh God,
21:04
Speaker 1: do both They wait too long when they find the
21:06
Speaker 1: perfect property, just like that, because they figured the first
21:09
Speaker 1: one out can't be yet, the first one I look
21:11
Speaker 1: at can't be perfect, And then the other guys will.
21:15
Speaker 1: We'll jump on it and buy something and then have
21:18
Speaker 1: buyers remorse after they get the closing, or something else
21:21
Speaker 1: comes on the market in a month that's closer to
21:23
Speaker 1: home or a better fit for their needs or whatever.
21:26
Speaker 1: So you're you're gonna lose some you're gonna win something.
21:29
Speaker 1: You just gotta realize you can't take it personally, can't
21:31
Speaker 1: take it. It can't be discouraged by it. I'm just
21:34
Speaker 1: gonna learn from every transaction or non transaction. I'm gonna
21:38
Speaker 1: learn from every property I look at. I'm gonna refine
21:40
Speaker 1: my criteria every time I go out, and I'm gonna
21:43
Speaker 1: work with somebody who's gonna help me refine that criteria.
21:45
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure if you look at several part
21:47
Speaker 1: of Sean as you went through, he was all of
21:49
Speaker 1: a sudden, he knows what you want. You don't even
21:52
Speaker 1: have a column, and something comes on the market. He
21:54
Speaker 1: can call you right away and let you know that
21:55
Speaker 1: that that property is on uh, either coming to the
21:58
Speaker 1: market or on the market. He knew about it, so
22:01
Speaker 1: he can help search that down for because he's been
22:04
Speaker 1: able to spend enough time with you to learn what
22:06
Speaker 1: you want. Yeah, and I did have that experience with
22:08
Speaker 1: with Shaun and some other ages because I was kind
22:10
Speaker 1: of looking at all these different regions. So so everyone
22:13
Speaker 1: was really helpful in that kind of way. And with
22:15
Speaker 1: this one in particular. You know, I've been talking to
22:16
Speaker 1: Tim about it, and he did keep me abreast of
22:19
Speaker 1: some different offers coming in, and then that got me
22:21
Speaker 1: a little worried because I had that first interest, and
22:24
Speaker 1: then I was like, Okay, I need to wait, I
22:25
Speaker 1: need to look at least something else, just to have
22:27
Speaker 1: some context, something to compare against, you know. Um. But
22:30
Speaker 1: then another offer did come in. Uh. Fortunately it was
22:33
Speaker 1: at the moment it was like a low ball offer
22:35
Speaker 1: and they didn't take it. So I still thought I
22:38
Speaker 1: had time. So I remember starting to try to go
22:40
Speaker 1: deeper with my research process. And this is a little
22:42
Speaker 1: thing that I started to do throughout this whole, uh,
22:46
Speaker 1: this whole handful month period here that I really did
22:50
Speaker 1: try to put a lot of time behind the research
22:53
Speaker 1: of a neighborhood because like you guys both said, especially
22:55
Speaker 1: when you're going to buy a small property, you know,
22:58
Speaker 1: so much of what's going to happen on your property
23:00
Speaker 1: going to be influenced by who's around you. And if
23:02
Speaker 1: you want to be able to hunt mature box or
23:03
Speaker 1: see a lot of deer or whatever it is you're
23:04
Speaker 1: trying to do, um, it's it's really helpful if the
23:09
Speaker 1: other people around you are on a similar page. And
23:12
Speaker 1: so what I did it's a little creepy, maybe, but
23:15
Speaker 1: I did it. UM was. I started googling all the
23:19
Speaker 1: property owners around that farm. So I would find the
23:22
Speaker 1: names on onyx or like in the tax records, and
23:25
Speaker 1: I would start searching for their name, and then things
23:27
Speaker 1: the keywords related to deer hunting. So I would look
23:30
Speaker 1: for like John Dear, and we'll just say his name
23:32
Speaker 1: is John Deer. I looked for John Deere deer hunting.
23:35
Speaker 1: Or I would look for John Doe. Maybe it's about
23:37
Speaker 1: John Doe hunting, John Doe buck, John Doe big buck.
23:41
Speaker 1: And just to see if like you know, someone had
23:44
Speaker 1: their picture posted on Facebook, or if someone was in
23:46
Speaker 1: an article or whatever it might be. I don't know,
23:48
Speaker 1: just to see what happened, and it actually worked in
23:51
Speaker 1: this case on this property because one of the neighboring
23:54
Speaker 1: property owners got featured in a local newspaper because him
23:58
Speaker 1: and his wife had both killed really big bucks on
24:01
Speaker 1: opening day gun season, and they made the news. So
24:05
Speaker 1: I was thinking, man, this is great, Like I can
24:07
Speaker 1: see that in late neighboring landowner shot two really nice
24:10
Speaker 1: mature box on the same day right next to this place.
24:13
Speaker 1: So that tells me, like, all right, in the general area,
24:16
Speaker 1: there's some good deer um. I also talked to Tim,
24:20
Speaker 1: who was able to talk to the landowner and get
24:22
Speaker 1: me a little bit of information about what the previous
24:24
Speaker 1: owner had done from a hunting standpoint um. And then
24:27
Speaker 1: I also looked at Onyx maps and just looked for
24:30
Speaker 1: names I recognized. Again, this might be a little bit,
24:33
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if that's Stoker or not,
24:35
Speaker 1: but it's just doing due diligence when you're buying this stuff,
24:38
Speaker 1: and I just want to see, like, do I recognize
24:41
Speaker 1: any names? And I happened to recognize the name of
24:45
Speaker 1: of a of a person who's somewhat known, who I
24:49
Speaker 1: had heard had had a lot of success in this area.
24:52
Speaker 1: The general area and lo and behold this person's properties
24:55
Speaker 1: within like a mile. So that gave me another really
24:59
Speaker 1: big like, oh, and you're in a good area. You
25:01
Speaker 1: know of two different people around here that take hunting
25:03
Speaker 1: pretty seriously and they're doing pretty well. You've got good cover,
25:06
Speaker 1: you got out all these things. Um, is there anything
25:09
Speaker 1: else that you guys have done on that on the
25:12
Speaker 1: research side, Like, because everyone says the neighbor you gotta
25:14
Speaker 1: gotta pay attention to the neighborhood. You need to look
25:16
Speaker 1: for good neighbors. You need to look for that. But
25:18
Speaker 1: it's it's harder than it's easier said than done, I
25:21
Speaker 1: guess is what I've experienced a little bit. Is there
25:23
Speaker 1: anything else you guys have done or heard people doing
25:25
Speaker 1: to learn not Google? Search on Facebook suits searching something
25:31
Speaker 1: we as agents and land specialists do too. If if
25:34
Speaker 1: you call me as a buyer, I'm gonna pride google
25:36
Speaker 1: you a little bit. I'm gonna learn a little bit
25:38
Speaker 1: about you. I want to know what makes you chick
25:41
Speaker 1: and whether what you're saying is anything true. Same way
25:44
Speaker 1: you call me to sell a farm, I made google you.
25:47
Speaker 1: I'm gonna look you up. I'll Facebook, yes, the whole
25:49
Speaker 1: ball of wax just and I don't think it's stock
25:52
Speaker 1: or a shot. I think it's due diligence. I think
25:54
Speaker 1: I encourage everybody to do that when you're looking at
25:58
Speaker 1: those places on Onyx or any other mapping programs that
26:01
Speaker 1: you may use. UM. I I like to look for
26:04
Speaker 1: larger landowners too, especially when you're having a looking for
26:07
Speaker 1: a smaller tract, if you're surrounded by larger landowners and
26:10
Speaker 1: that it doesn't have to be thousands of acres, But
26:13
Speaker 1: if it's larger landowners, uh, it's always better. It's you know,
26:17
Speaker 1: a large land arm may have a couple of four
26:19
Speaker 1: hundred acres, may have two or three people a hunted. Uh.
26:22
Speaker 1: The same may be the case of if it's a forty,
26:25
Speaker 1: so there maybe two or three people hunting that forty. Uh,
26:28
Speaker 1: So you've got a bunch of forties, you're gonna have
26:30
Speaker 1: a little bit different hunting pressure than if you do
26:32
Speaker 1: if you have a bunch of larger landowners around you.
26:34
Speaker 1: So a small parcel in a a larger landowner area
26:38
Speaker 1: is definitely a plum, but they generally don't laugh. That
26:41
Speaker 1: larger landowner will snap them up before they even hit
26:44
Speaker 1: the markets. Yeah, what about you showing anything else as
26:47
Speaker 1: far as researching the neighborhood. No, I think, like I
26:52
Speaker 1: think what you what you did is something that you know,
26:55
Speaker 1: we land specialists do already, Like we're we're familiar with
26:58
Speaker 1: our territories, and like there's you know, certain areas like
27:03
Speaker 1: you know and big Buck Nights that I go to,
27:05
Speaker 1: and like I can tell you what big bucks on
27:08
Speaker 1: what year at the you know, big Buck show were
27:11
Speaker 1: shot in certain areas, And like in my head, like
27:13
Speaker 1: when I'm when I'm listening property or showing property, I'm
27:17
Speaker 1: usually always bringing up like this, this buck was shot here,
27:21
Speaker 1: that was within a mile of this this property. Um
27:24
Speaker 1: the Ladies State cross bow record here, that's within a
27:26
Speaker 1: mile of this property. This guy's you know two year
27:29
Speaker 1: was shot within a mile of this property. And you know,
27:32
Speaker 1: things that you did are things that we all do,
27:35
Speaker 1: I think, And and that's where a lot of our
27:37
Speaker 1: you know, expertise comes in that we've done a lot
27:41
Speaker 1: of that homework and I have a lot of it
27:44
Speaker 1: readily available. Yeah, I will say that was a nice
27:47
Speaker 1: thing to have being able to talk to you and
27:49
Speaker 1: Tim and Tony um in your respective areas. Was the
27:53
Speaker 1: fact that I knew that who I was talking to,
27:55
Speaker 1: you knew what they were talking about. I knew that
27:58
Speaker 1: they were speaking the same language. And the fact that, UM,
28:02
Speaker 1: I think that when you talk to a regular real
28:05
Speaker 1: estate agent who's just trying to sell land, they don't
28:07
Speaker 1: really know what would be a quality area. Which areas
28:10
Speaker 1: are the good ones? Like there was a property I
28:12
Speaker 1: looked at that was not listed with the white tailed properties,
28:14
Speaker 1: just a random real estate agent, and Uh. I talked
28:17
Speaker 1: to this person and I said, Hey, do you know
28:19
Speaker 1: anything about the neighborhood? Do you know anything about the
28:21
Speaker 1: other landowners to have you heard of them practicing quality
28:24
Speaker 1: deer management or anything. I happen to see a sign
28:26
Speaker 1: on one barn, do you know anything about that? Kind
28:28
Speaker 1: of talk to the landowner and the agents like oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
28:32
Speaker 1: it's it's it's really really good area. UM. I've heard
28:35
Speaker 1: lots of great things about this very high quality hunting area. UM.
28:39
Speaker 1: And she's like going on and on about that, and
28:40
Speaker 1: she's like, just last year, I think they killed like
28:42
Speaker 1: seven dough or seven bucks. I think they're like a
28:46
Speaker 1: five point there was a seven point UM. And I'm
28:49
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, Oh, we're not speaking the same language
28:52
Speaker 1: like um, you're yeah yeah. So so I think just
28:59
Speaker 1: knowing who you're talking too and in the lens of
29:01
Speaker 1: looking at this stuff with UH makes a big difference.
29:04
Speaker 1: So it was nice at least with you guys that
29:06
Speaker 1: I knew that you would have a pulse, your finger
29:09
Speaker 1: on the pulse of what was going on in these
29:10
Speaker 1: different regions, and that was I would add to that
29:14
Speaker 1: that I would encourage somebody who's looking to buy to
29:17
Speaker 1: getting gage with a land specialists because they could show
29:19
Speaker 1: anything that's listened that you don't have to talk to
29:21
Speaker 1: the listing agent because the listening agent sometimes doesn't know anything.
29:24
Speaker 1: It's her uncle's or brother's farm or somebody. I mean
29:27
Speaker 1: a lot of a lot of listening agents really don't
29:29
Speaker 1: know much about hunting and recreational value. You need to
29:32
Speaker 1: see that in our listenings. They don't have one aerial photo,
29:35
Speaker 1: one picture, or one tree. I would engage as they
29:39
Speaker 1: buyer with a land specialist like Sean and say, hey,
29:42
Speaker 1: here's what I'm looking for, and I looked at Jane
29:46
Speaker 1: does listing over here? Can you call her? Can we
29:49
Speaker 1: go look at this? Can you can you tell me
29:51
Speaker 1: anything about this area? Because I promise you a guy
29:53
Speaker 1: like Sean knows more about that area than the listening
29:57
Speaker 1: agent at the time. That's why, that's why with our corporation,
30:02
Speaker 1: we bet all these guys to a point, and Sean'll
30:05
Speaker 1: tell you that the interview process is pretty rigorous. We
30:08
Speaker 1: bet all these guys because we want them to be
30:10
Speaker 1: land special. It's not just on what they are listing,
30:13
Speaker 1: but their whole territory, their whole region. We want them
30:16
Speaker 1: to know that inside and that we wanted them to
30:18
Speaker 1: know where every big buck skilled, all the landowners, who
30:21
Speaker 1: the best farm tenant is, uh, et cetera. They we
30:24
Speaker 1: want them to know everything. So I would engage them.
30:27
Speaker 1: If I was a buyer, I would engage somebody I
30:29
Speaker 1: felt comfortable with, someone like Sean, and say, here's what
30:32
Speaker 1: I'm looking for, and I found a couple of these
30:34
Speaker 1: although they're listening with competitors. Can you find information out
30:38
Speaker 1: about them for me? Because the misconception is that you
30:40
Speaker 1: have called the listing agent all time and you don't
30:43
Speaker 1: find find an agent that you're comfortable with and use
30:45
Speaker 1: them as your buyers agent and no additional charge to you.
30:48
Speaker 1: I mean, that's all that's all paid out of the
30:50
Speaker 1: original commission. Most most buyers don't understand that. But if
30:53
Speaker 1: you find somebody you like and trust, stay with that person,
30:56
Speaker 1: they can show you anything. Yeah, that was the biggest
31:00
Speaker 1: Probably Ahama went from me out of this whole process
31:02
Speaker 1: because I didn't understand that. I thought. I thought I
31:06
Speaker 1: had to talk to whoever the listing agent was. And
31:08
Speaker 1: then I thought that if I brought in another agent
31:11
Speaker 1: like I had, someone else mentioned me, Hey, you know,
31:13
Speaker 1: do you need a buyer's agent And the initial reaction was, well,
31:15
Speaker 1: I don't know. I need to talk to like some
31:17
Speaker 1: other people and I don't even know if we want
31:19
Speaker 1: an agent involved, Like does that make things more complicated?
31:22
Speaker 1: Is that going to have like increased fees? Um So?
31:25
Speaker 1: I was initially like resistant to that idea. I thought,
31:28
Speaker 1: I can just find stuff find myself. I'm savvy on
31:30
Speaker 1: the internet. Um, I'll be fine. Uh looking back on
31:34
Speaker 1: it now, after after being now at the end of
31:36
Speaker 1: the process, I wish I had pulled in a buyer's
31:39
Speaker 1: agent like Sean earlier than I did, because it ended
31:42
Speaker 1: up being really really helpful. Couldn't have done it without
31:44
Speaker 1: him Now on the end looking at it, um So, So, Yes,
31:48
Speaker 1: A hund percent agree with that. Now, not only getting
31:51
Speaker 1: a knowledge base, but you're also getting the benefit of
31:53
Speaker 1: knowing for anybody else. If you engage that person, say hey,
31:57
Speaker 1: this is what I'm looking for and it maybe you're
31:59
Speaker 1: looking for sixty acres, but Sean knows a four acres.
32:02
Speaker 1: The guy, so I'll sell a couple of pieces off
32:04
Speaker 1: of it. Now, all of sudden, that's something that never
32:07
Speaker 1: hit the market as a sixty. It maybe hit the
32:09
Speaker 1: market as a forty, but he knows that could be
32:11
Speaker 1: split off and it fits your criteria. The only way
32:14
Speaker 1: to do that is to engage with somebody you trust
32:17
Speaker 1: and believe in and we build that relationship with and
32:19
Speaker 1: once you do that, that guy will go to work
32:22
Speaker 1: for you trying to find something that fits your criteria. Yeah,
32:26
Speaker 1: that brings up another challenge I dealt with, which was
32:30
Speaker 1: because of my small area that I was interested in.
32:33
Speaker 1: I looked at the different options that White Tell Properties
32:35
Speaker 1: had and there were a couple of good options, but
32:37
Speaker 1: they didn't fit my budget. And there's a couple of
32:39
Speaker 1: good options that were a couple of options within my
32:41
Speaker 1: budget but just weren't quite fitting all the criteria had.
32:44
Speaker 1: So I walked I think four different farms that you
32:46
Speaker 1: guys had listed, of which you know there are a
32:48
Speaker 1: couple possibly, but eventually I decided, now I just don't
32:51
Speaker 1: think they're gonna be the right fit. So then I
32:53
Speaker 1: was like, well, what am I gonna do? Now? Where
32:55
Speaker 1: am I going to find something? So I just started
32:57
Speaker 1: like searching every possible online real estate website I could
33:02
Speaker 1: think of, and googling different keywords and going just through
33:06
Speaker 1: all sorts of different filters. And that became like a long,
33:09
Speaker 1: frustrating experience. But I did a lot of searching online
33:12
Speaker 1: trying to find stuff. Do you guys, have you know,
33:15
Speaker 1: any other advice or recommendations as far as finding something
33:19
Speaker 1: or how do you guys go about it? Once you say, okay,
33:22
Speaker 1: we want something in this let's say two county area
33:24
Speaker 1: that we're gonna say that John Doe really wants to
33:27
Speaker 1: farm in these two counties, but you know, there just
33:30
Speaker 1: doesn't There isn't one that white Tailed properties is listed
33:33
Speaker 1: that fits that criteria. What's the next step that you
33:35
Speaker 1: guys would recommend taking? Um either yourselves as a buyer's Asian,
33:39
Speaker 1: if you're working with someone, or if I'm an individual
33:41
Speaker 1: and I'm just searching anything to make that easier. Um,
33:45
Speaker 1: any other ideas other than what I did? I don't know, Sean,
33:48
Speaker 1: Do you have anything you'd you'd suggest? Um? I think
33:51
Speaker 1: what you did is is pretty typical in a good
33:53
Speaker 1: place to start, you know, getting into the white Tail
33:56
Speaker 1: Properties website and and storting out some of the things
33:59
Speaker 1: that you're looking for. And if that doesn't turn up, uh,
34:02
Speaker 1: exactly what you're looking for, there's so many different search
34:05
Speaker 1: engines out there, you know, and also by having like
34:08
Speaker 1: a buyer's agent help you, they can provide you with
34:10
Speaker 1: a number of things, but it takes a lot of mining.
34:13
Speaker 1: You're mining all this all these listings and they're not
34:15
Speaker 1: all readily available in one search engine. So you know,
34:20
Speaker 1: by by doing what you did, you were able to
34:22
Speaker 1: kind of uncover some things and and put them in
34:24
Speaker 1: front of me and then we were able to look
34:25
Speaker 1: at them. And I think that's you know, something that
34:28
Speaker 1: a lot of people do because they'll get frustrated with
34:31
Speaker 1: their agent possibly and they start getting into some of
34:34
Speaker 1: the different search engines and then you know, bringing that
34:38
Speaker 1: information to the to the agent and then they're able
34:41
Speaker 1: to look at it under a microscope a little bit more.
34:44
Speaker 1: What about you Jim. Um. Yeah, A lot of guys
34:47
Speaker 1: start right where you did. Uh. Some savvy buyers, guys
34:50
Speaker 1: who've done this several times. We'll just and if I
34:53
Speaker 1: were buying today in in a territory, I wasn't familiar
34:56
Speaker 1: with the first thing I do. And this that sounds odd.
35:00
Speaker 1: As another agent, as I'd engage a buyer's agent, I
35:03
Speaker 1: wouldn't do all that legwork. I'd have somebody doing it
35:06
Speaker 1: for me, because I promise you when when Sean calls
35:10
Speaker 1: Agent B down the road, he gets more information out
35:13
Speaker 1: of Agent B than you do as as a buyer,
35:16
Speaker 1: all because he's our a relationship with the guy and
35:20
Speaker 1: he calls and says, hey, I've got a buyer looking
35:22
Speaker 1: for sixty acres in Hamilton County. Do you have anything?
35:24
Speaker 1: Goes No, But you know I know John down there,
35:27
Speaker 1: he may have something. Let me make a few phone
35:29
Speaker 1: calls for you. But when when when a buyer's agent
35:32
Speaker 1: engage E gauge is another agent with potential listings or
35:36
Speaker 1: potential something a sale, they know that guy serious. They
35:39
Speaker 1: know they've got a buyer who is going to buy something,
35:42
Speaker 1: and they're gonna jump through hoops on that backside to
35:45
Speaker 1: find something just as well as your buyer's agent is
35:48
Speaker 1: gonna be. I mean, he's gonna go through and uh,
35:51
Speaker 1: Sean went through pry Land watch Lands of America, Google
35:53
Speaker 1: search engines and looking for what bait, what you're looking
35:56
Speaker 1: for to find just like you would. But some people
36:00
Speaker 1: enjoy that process, that the hours and hours of looking. Uh.
36:03
Speaker 1: Some people would rather just call somebody said, hey, find
36:06
Speaker 1: this for me and let me know when I can
36:08
Speaker 1: come look at it. So it all depends on what
36:11
Speaker 1: your overall goals are. If you're a research minded guy
36:14
Speaker 1: like you are, I'm sure Mark, some guys are not
36:17
Speaker 1: that they're more they're not so much process driven as
36:19
Speaker 1: they are in resolve driven. So they're gonna look at Okay,
36:22
Speaker 1: how can I find the form I want the fastest?
36:25
Speaker 1: And that's just say hey, find somebody you're comfortable with this,
36:28
Speaker 1: say find me this, and then they go to work
36:31
Speaker 1: for you. Yeah. Yeah, that definitely I to your point, Joe,
36:36
Speaker 1: You're right. I am definitely processed driven and I did
36:38
Speaker 1: want to get into details and it was it was
36:40
Speaker 1: the first at first, it was really fun getting to
36:42
Speaker 1: search and look at all these places online and thinking
36:44
Speaker 1: about them and looking at the maps and thinking like
36:46
Speaker 1: I even went so far as like each place I
36:49
Speaker 1: look at the arial and I'd be thinking, Okay, your
36:51
Speaker 1: most common win directions here in late October, number November
36:55
Speaker 1: going to be northwest or west northwest maybe west? How
36:57
Speaker 1: would you access this farm? How would you that up?
37:00
Speaker 1: Where do you think this would be happening? So I
37:01
Speaker 1: was like thinking like that level of detail for each
37:03
Speaker 1: one of these places. So that was a lot of fun,
37:05
Speaker 1: like a geek out on that stuff. But it was,
37:08
Speaker 1: you know, two and a half months or three months later,
37:10
Speaker 1: after I'd done this, you know, thirty times, and I've
37:13
Speaker 1: looked at the same properties over and over and over
37:14
Speaker 1: because every time I searched, well, I've seen that one
37:16
Speaker 1: and said no to that. When I've seen that, when
37:18
Speaker 1: I said no to that, like why isn't there something
37:20
Speaker 1: that's gonna work? Um? Then it became frustrating and and
37:24
Speaker 1: I wish I had been talking to Sean at that
37:26
Speaker 1: point because I hadn't looped in Sewan until later, and
37:28
Speaker 1: I think he would probably helped me a lot more
37:31
Speaker 1: get to the end goal that I wanted sooner after
37:33
Speaker 1: the fun before the fund ran out, probably, um, but
37:38
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean I looked at the four white
37:40
Speaker 1: Tail Properties properties and just wasn't the right fit. But
37:42
Speaker 1: I walked those four, and then I walked another oh, one, two, three, four, five.
37:51
Speaker 1: I think I walked at least another five farms. So
37:54
Speaker 1: there was at least and maybe six I can't remember now, UM,
37:57
Speaker 1: but at least five other places that looked like they
37:59
Speaker 1: had at least potential. I was. I found myself already
38:02
Speaker 1: like having to compromise on my criterial list because there
38:05
Speaker 1: just wasn't that perfect spot yet. But there was one
38:08
Speaker 1: that maybe checked four out of five boxes. I was like, well,
38:10
Speaker 1: I'll at least go and look at it on the
38:11
Speaker 1: ground and see. UM. So I walked, you know, I walked.
38:15
Speaker 1: There was one big one that had a little bit
38:16
Speaker 1: of wet lands on it in the w RP program
38:19
Speaker 1: I think it is, and then there was a bunch
38:20
Speaker 1: of CRP in it, or maybe the whole thing was
38:23
Speaker 1: w RP, but it was some wet lens and some
38:25
Speaker 1: was just more grassy type stuff. UM that had some
38:28
Speaker 1: interesting potential but just end up being a little bit
38:30
Speaker 1: too far away. I walked one property that um was
38:33
Speaker 1: in a pretty good area, but just one big block
38:36
Speaker 1: of thick timber um and it held a lot dear,
38:39
Speaker 1: but it seemed like there was a lot of hunting
38:40
Speaker 1: pressure around it. And also I just didn't feel comfortable
38:45
Speaker 1: and didn't know how difficult it would be to, you know,
38:47
Speaker 1: deal with getting a logging crew in there, and if
38:49
Speaker 1: I could afford that and all that stuff, and I
38:52
Speaker 1: just that wasn't what I wanted to get into. I
38:54
Speaker 1: kind of like the idea of having some open areas
38:56
Speaker 1: already that we could work with. I remember walking a
38:59
Speaker 1: p eeast um that was in a great looking area. Um,
39:04
Speaker 1: this is another one. It was I saw a whole
39:06
Speaker 1: lot of either way too much open space or no
39:08
Speaker 1: open space. It was hard to find that mix of both. Um.
39:12
Speaker 1: So several spots I found were like just a big,
39:14
Speaker 1: wide open CRP field that was next to some really
39:17
Speaker 1: good stuff. And I was thinking to myself, Man, if
39:19
Speaker 1: I could get a good screen in here and plant
39:21
Speaker 1: some trees and you can make it great, but it
39:24
Speaker 1: would be like a six year longer project. UM. So
39:28
Speaker 1: I was like battling in my mind, is it worth
39:30
Speaker 1: trying something like that or should you look for something
39:32
Speaker 1: that's gonna give you a little bit better foundation? Um?
39:35
Speaker 1: One spot I found was a forty two acre piece
39:38
Speaker 1: that had um I think like sixteen or seven acres
39:42
Speaker 1: of of crop field on it in the front, including
39:45
Speaker 1: one that was like totally covered with timber all around it,
39:48
Speaker 1: just a little like one acre triangle on the edge
39:50
Speaker 1: of the timber, really nice little secluded field, and then
39:53
Speaker 1: there's a creek running through it that was really brushy
39:55
Speaker 1: and thick, and then it grew into like bigger open
39:57
Speaker 1: timber and some hills back behind it, and it tucked
40:01
Speaker 1: right into this area that I actually knew about from
40:04
Speaker 1: just some like I originally talked to some guy to
40:06
Speaker 1: pro shop and archery shop who told me there's a
40:09
Speaker 1: great qudium co op in the area and told me
40:11
Speaker 1: about some of the deer they're kill him. And then
40:13
Speaker 1: I found out through I don't know, some acquaintance that
40:16
Speaker 1: such and such person hunts down the road there. And
40:19
Speaker 1: through this whole research process, I found that the neighboring
40:22
Speaker 1: property was up for sale as well, way out of
40:25
Speaker 1: my price range, but this was owned by this other
40:28
Speaker 1: person of this other group of people who are really
40:30
Speaker 1: serious about deer hunting. So all of a sudden, I
40:32
Speaker 1: was like, man, this is the spot we can afford it.
40:34
Speaker 1: It's next to these like super serious deer hunters. It's
40:37
Speaker 1: got nice mix of terrain. So I talked to the agent.
40:41
Speaker 1: This is before I had a buyer's agent, and this
40:43
Speaker 1: was a property that was not listed with White Tip Property.
40:46
Speaker 1: So I just called this guy up and he's like, oh, yeah, sorry,
40:49
Speaker 1: it just someone just put it under contract or like
40:52
Speaker 1: they put in an offer and they're dealing with the
40:54
Speaker 1: financing right now. So I was like a bummer, but
40:56
Speaker 1: he's like, you know, go out and take a look
40:58
Speaker 1: at it, just in case because it was take like
41:00
Speaker 1: a long time for it to close or something. So
41:01
Speaker 1: I walked it. Everything was confirmed, looks great, and long
41:05
Speaker 1: story short, Like a week or two later, the agent
41:07
Speaker 1: gets back in touch with me and says, hey, it
41:10
Speaker 1: sounds like the financing fell through. It's available now you
41:12
Speaker 1: should put it in an offer. So I get really excited.
41:15
Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna do this. This is the spot.
41:18
Speaker 1: Great neighborhood, great diversity, terrain, great access, abc d f G.
41:22
Speaker 1: It's all there. Um And I call him back and
41:24
Speaker 1: I said, hey, I'm gonna take one more walk and
41:27
Speaker 1: then I'm gonna put an offer. I just want to
41:28
Speaker 1: like look at it one last time and then he
41:30
Speaker 1: says to me, oh, sorry, I was wrong. It just closed.
41:34
Speaker 1: So I'm like crushed at this point, Like it was.
41:38
Speaker 1: It was that emotional roller coaster you talked Joe about
41:40
Speaker 1: how you don't want to get too emotionally like caught
41:43
Speaker 1: into it, and that was definitely happened to me. It
41:46
Speaker 1: was just like the ups and downs, super frustrating. So well,
41:49
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna tell you, I think that that
41:52
Speaker 1: that agent probably dropped the ball a little bit because
41:56
Speaker 1: it's something you were interested in. Uh, we would have
41:59
Speaker 1: encouraged you to make a backup offer, so you can
42:01
Speaker 1: make a backup offer on something that's already under contract
42:04
Speaker 1: and if something falls out of it falls out they
42:07
Speaker 1: missed a deadline, or they can't close, or something happens,
42:10
Speaker 1: then you become the primary contract automatically and it's yours
42:13
Speaker 1: without having to wait for a phone call. I would
42:16
Speaker 1: have encouraged that, and I assumed Sean would have encouraged
42:20
Speaker 1: the same thing, to throw a backup offer in there.
42:22
Speaker 1: And when a seller knows there's a backup offer, they're
42:25
Speaker 1: not always so willing to extend or look through extenuating
42:28
Speaker 1: circumstance for the primary offer. I mean, if they if
42:31
Speaker 1: it's taken, you know, if it's a thirty day close
42:33
Speaker 1: and they're in the ninety days that had a couple
42:35
Speaker 1: of extensions and the buyers seems to be goofing off
42:38
Speaker 1: and not really getting that stuff together, they may just
42:40
Speaker 1: drop that contract and take up with the secondary offer,
42:44
Speaker 1: the backup offer, and then it's yours and you're moving forward.
42:46
Speaker 1: So if you've got something that you like that's under
42:49
Speaker 1: under contract or presumably under contract, there may just be
42:53
Speaker 1: a verbal offer made on it, and they're telling you
42:56
Speaker 1: there's an offer made, aren't under contract. I always encourage
42:59
Speaker 1: putting it a by back up offerate. It's the one
43:01
Speaker 1: you want, make a backup off r on it, because
43:03
Speaker 1: it may become years. It happens more often than not.
43:06
Speaker 1: Well that's what a few other people told me afterwards.
43:08
Speaker 1: It was like, you know what, um, a lot of
43:10
Speaker 1: people put an offer and then the financing doesn't pan
43:13
Speaker 1: out or the uh what do you call it? The
43:16
Speaker 1: not the assess Yeah, that will come back, right, So,
43:21
Speaker 1: so is that something that commonly happens? You know, it's
43:25
Speaker 1: not common common I you know, i'd say, it's maybe
43:29
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen percent of the time that there's some
43:32
Speaker 1: contingency that a contract is terminated. But it happens often
43:37
Speaker 1: enough that if I'm a buyer and I find something
43:39
Speaker 1: I really want, I'm putting the backup offer on it
43:42
Speaker 1: no matter what, just because that's the company I want.
43:45
Speaker 1: If something falls through, and there are myriad of things
43:48
Speaker 1: that can happen in between contract signing and closing, um,
43:53
Speaker 1: that that may put you in the primary spot to
43:56
Speaker 1: be the purchaser of that property. Yeah, yeah, that's that's
44:00
Speaker 1: seems like a good idea, and I probably should have
44:03
Speaker 1: done that. It all, it all worked. Those as are
44:08
Speaker 1: the layers that you peel back. And you know, when
44:10
Speaker 1: we started this process, it's all. This is all the
44:13
Speaker 1: stuff that hits you in the face and you're like wow,
44:15
Speaker 1: And we experienced some of that with the actual purchase
44:19
Speaker 1: of the property that we did get. Yeah, very true.
44:24
Speaker 1: And I was gonna say that that kind of leads
44:26
Speaker 1: us right to what happened next, because um, that morning,
44:31
Speaker 1: right I talked to this other agent. He tells me, oh, sorry,
44:34
Speaker 1: it's not available now, and I'm like stressed out and
44:37
Speaker 1: it's getting late into the spring. And I've been hoping that,
44:40
Speaker 1: you know, we could find a property to purchase earlier
44:42
Speaker 1: this year, so we have lots of time to put
44:44
Speaker 1: a lot of work in already this spring and summer
44:46
Speaker 1: and have stuff ready for the first year of hunting. Um.
44:49
Speaker 1: Now it's getting later and later and later in the year,
44:52
Speaker 1: and I'm stressing, like we're not gonna find me do anything.
44:54
Speaker 1: It's getting so late. Um, I thought this was gonna
44:57
Speaker 1: work out, and it's not. I swear I've looked at everything.
45:00
Speaker 1: But I was like, I'll just go back and look
45:01
Speaker 1: at these stupid search engines one more time. So I
45:04
Speaker 1: go back in there and I look at all the
45:05
Speaker 1: different spots I've saved, and the ones that are kind
45:08
Speaker 1: of like but I put them on my list, is
45:11
Speaker 1: like potential. But I never really fell in love with him.
45:13
Speaker 1: And there was one that I didn't really like all
45:16
Speaker 1: that much because just a few things about just didn't
45:19
Speaker 1: seem to be perfect. But it was like a middle
45:22
Speaker 1: of the road and I thought to myself, you know what,
45:24
Speaker 1: I just need to get out of the house today
45:26
Speaker 1: and look at something and and get really excited about this,
45:29
Speaker 1: or maybe I'll happen to stumble across something else, or
45:31
Speaker 1: maybe this will look better in person that does on
45:33
Speaker 1: the map. Um, I was just kind of gonna low spot.
45:35
Speaker 1: I was kind of bummed, and we're not gonna find anything.
45:37
Speaker 1: So I'm just gonna go out and check the spot
45:39
Speaker 1: out and maybe I'll be pleasantly surprised. So get permission
45:43
Speaker 1: to go check out this farm. And as I'm driving
45:45
Speaker 1: to the farm, I passed by the neighboring property and
45:49
Speaker 1: there's a first sales sign on the neighboring property and
45:52
Speaker 1: it says acreage, and I think to myself, huh, that's interesting.
45:56
Speaker 1: I just kind of you can't see a whole lot
45:58
Speaker 1: from the road of this property, but looked like those brushy,
46:01
Speaker 1: overgrown fields, and I thought, well, that's interesting. So I
46:05
Speaker 1: step out onto the property that I'm gonna look at originally,
46:08
Speaker 1: and I'm all right, I'll check this out. But then
46:09
Speaker 1: as I'm walking that, I pull up the aerial map
46:11
Speaker 1: to look at the neighboring property, and right away I'm like,
46:14
Speaker 1: oh man, the neighboring property looks real interesting. So I
46:19
Speaker 1: take a little walk about of the original farm and
46:23
Speaker 1: it kind of confirmed what I thought it was. It
46:26
Speaker 1: was basically a big crp field with a couple of
46:28
Speaker 1: little trees here and there in one little pocket of
46:31
Speaker 1: pines um and in those pines, so I found a
46:34
Speaker 1: bunch of like really good rubs for Michigan, Like these
46:37
Speaker 1: are sizeable, like six seven inch eight inch diameter trees
46:41
Speaker 1: just tore up, and you don't see that here too
46:43
Speaker 1: often Michigan. So that was like, oh, that's a good
46:45
Speaker 1: sign um, which made me think that the neighboring property,
46:49
Speaker 1: which looked a lot better from the other criteria that
46:52
Speaker 1: I mentioned, that's in the same areage, right next door.
46:55
Speaker 1: That's a great opportunity. So I went and I looked
46:57
Speaker 1: at that for sales sign got the phone number, called
46:59
Speaker 1: the agent or the agency for that property, got permission
47:03
Speaker 1: to walk this one, and I walked it and this
47:07
Speaker 1: one started checking the boxes. Um. It was sixty acres,
47:13
Speaker 1: so it was right up there towards the side I wanted.
47:16
Speaker 1: It was within our price range, and it had five
47:21
Speaker 1: or six old crop fields that had been let go fellow,
47:25
Speaker 1: so they're all overgrown with all sorts of junk. So
47:27
Speaker 1: it's actually a pretty good thick stuff but easily reclaimed.
47:31
Speaker 1: Right if I wanted to plant food plots or something
47:33
Speaker 1: I could pretty easily still do that. Um, there was
47:36
Speaker 1: big brushy, thick fence rows separating all that, so it
47:38
Speaker 1: wasn't like it was just one huge open field. These
47:40
Speaker 1: are small little fields that were overgrown timber where I
47:43
Speaker 1: could hang tree stands and stuff like that. And then
47:46
Speaker 1: there's nice rolling, hilly topography to it and a big
47:49
Speaker 1: swamp in the middle. And in Michigan, one of the
47:53
Speaker 1: biggest challenges we deal with is getting a buck past,
47:56
Speaker 1: you know, two or three years old, like you, just
47:58
Speaker 1: most bucks as a year and a half old get
48:00
Speaker 1: shot here. So to have at least from what I found, sean,
48:03
Speaker 1: maybe you've seen something different or maybe you agree with this,
48:05
Speaker 1: but there's got to be something in your area that
48:08
Speaker 1: is special that a buck can get to and survive.
48:11
Speaker 1: So maybe it's a little property that no one's allowed
48:13
Speaker 1: to hunt. Maybe it's a reserve of some kind that's
48:17
Speaker 1: just for nature viewing but no one can hunt it.
48:19
Speaker 1: Or maybe it's a great big swamp that's really hard
48:21
Speaker 1: to get into and kill a deer. Um if you've
48:24
Speaker 1: got something like that, you've got a chance for older
48:26
Speaker 1: age class buck to make it. And this big swamp
48:28
Speaker 1: seemed like that kind of thing. Um So, right away,
48:32
Speaker 1: like I'm walked in, I'm seeing all these things. It's
48:34
Speaker 1: it's got the good cover, it's got diversity of terrain,
48:37
Speaker 1: it's got the swamp which could hold and possibly get
48:40
Speaker 1: a buck to an older age class. It's got access.
48:42
Speaker 1: I could get in here and get two different spots
48:44
Speaker 1: to hunt it. As I'm walking it, I can see,
48:47
Speaker 1: you know, neighboring properties, and I can see one of
48:50
Speaker 1: the neighbors has got a food plot planted, and he's
48:53
Speaker 1: got licking branches put out over over his food plot,
48:56
Speaker 1: like in a fake scrape tree. So I'm like, oh man,
48:58
Speaker 1: this guy takes it serious. That's something that your average
49:01
Speaker 1: deer hunter probably doesn't do. Um So, all of a sudden,
49:04
Speaker 1: like I'm getting excited again. This looks like a good fit.
49:08
Speaker 1: Um And that finally, then is when I got you
49:13
Speaker 1: into the mix, Sean, because after walking in, I thought
49:16
Speaker 1: to myself, Wow, this is the best thing I've seen yet.
49:18
Speaker 1: Probably it just kind of came about by happenstance, at
49:21
Speaker 1: my loast of lows. I happened. I happened upon by
49:24
Speaker 1: chance to find a property that wasn't like even all
49:27
Speaker 1: the searching I did online never came across this property,
49:30
Speaker 1: and turns out it just was no offense to the uh,
49:34
Speaker 1: the listing agent, but it just was not it was
49:37
Speaker 1: it was poorly presented online. There was one single picture.
49:40
Speaker 1: It was an aerial photograph of the property. There was
49:42
Speaker 1: almost no detail about it. Um. It was almost impocult,
49:45
Speaker 1: and I never found it in all of my searching.
49:47
Speaker 1: So I just kind of got lucky that this was
49:50
Speaker 1: just not put out there too terribly well. UM. So
49:54
Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, this looks like it. And then after
49:57
Speaker 1: going back and thinking about things and talk from some people, thought,
50:01
Speaker 1: you know what, if you're gonna put an offer, you
50:03
Speaker 1: might I was realizing at this point I might want
50:05
Speaker 1: to get a professional involved because I didn't really know
50:07
Speaker 1: what I was doing. So that's when I called you,
50:09
Speaker 1: Sean and said, hey, I've been hearing about this buyer's
50:13
Speaker 1: agent kind of thing. Could you help me out with
50:16
Speaker 1: this as a buyer's agent um. And the first step
50:19
Speaker 1: was that you were to come out and look at
50:21
Speaker 1: the place with me, because I thought, for sure, be good,
50:24
Speaker 1: have a second set of eyes on it with me, UM,
50:27
Speaker 1: to see make sure I wasn't, you know, looking at
50:29
Speaker 1: this thing through rose colored glasses, make sure I was
50:32
Speaker 1: seeing the same things, um that anybody else would. So
50:34
Speaker 1: what did you think when you walked it? Um? What
50:37
Speaker 1: were your thoughts from that first um, that first impression. Well, well,
50:43
Speaker 1: the first thing I thought when it actually took me
50:46
Speaker 1: back like when we had first kind of talked and
50:49
Speaker 1: you looked at one of my properties and then you
50:52
Speaker 1: gave me a little bit of criteria and then uh,
50:55
Speaker 1: then I started looking like you weren't really tied into
50:57
Speaker 1: me yet to start looking for you, because you were
51:00
Speaker 1: still in the process of, you know, looking at your
51:02
Speaker 1: own properties. And I did a little research and that
51:05
Speaker 1: was actually one of the I don't know, one of the
51:07
Speaker 1: the fifteen properties. That was the one only one that
51:09
Speaker 1: really stood out to me that that would be in
51:12
Speaker 1: your in your wheelhouse. And when you said that that
51:16
Speaker 1: was the property, it kind of like with a light
51:18
Speaker 1: bulb or like just like a I don't know, just
51:20
Speaker 1: something something went off, So like this is a this
51:22
Speaker 1: is a good property because you identified it. It was
51:25
Speaker 1: one of the ones that stuck in my head as
51:28
Speaker 1: it might be a good property for you because it
51:30
Speaker 1: was you know, when I got there, I was like
51:32
Speaker 1: one of the things I didn't expect was the rolling
51:35
Speaker 1: topography there, and I was like, I was like, wow,
51:39
Speaker 1: that was like an added little bonus to it, because
51:42
Speaker 1: you know, in like you said in the listing, the
51:45
Speaker 1: only picture you had there was an aerial photo and
51:47
Speaker 1: you really can't get a lot. All I got from
51:50
Speaker 1: that aerial photo was that, all right, there's a lot
51:52
Speaker 1: of brushy cover and there was a couple of five
51:55
Speaker 1: acre fields in there that were you know, separated, so
51:58
Speaker 1: it kind of gave me the idea, Yeah, you could
52:00
Speaker 1: go in there and plant food plots and kind of
52:03
Speaker 1: you know, paint the picture however you wanted there. But
52:05
Speaker 1: then there was a lot of natural cover. But when
52:08
Speaker 1: I got there and I saw the rolling topography and
52:11
Speaker 1: the layout, I was I was really impressed with it.
52:14
Speaker 1: I was like, wow, this is a really nice property.
52:15
Speaker 1: I'm surprise that it wasn't sold yet. Yeah, and then
52:20
Speaker 1: that was that was my That was my initial initial feeling.
52:23
Speaker 1: When I got there and I think we walked, I
52:25
Speaker 1: was pretty quiet. I was just kind of taking it
52:27
Speaker 1: all in. Yeah, although I did appreciate the fact, you know,
52:30
Speaker 1: you're pointing out things that I wouldn't have noticed, because
52:33
Speaker 1: one of the things that I'm that I'm going to
52:34
Speaker 1: use this property to hopefully improve on. Is like being
52:37
Speaker 1: able to identify different types of flora, different types of trees. Um,
52:42
Speaker 1: that's something I haven't gotten very good at yet, but
52:44
Speaker 1: I'm trying to. But you were telling me, Okay, that's
52:45
Speaker 1: a cherry tree, and this is such and such tree,
52:47
Speaker 1: and these are red oaks, there's white oaks, and this
52:49
Speaker 1: is some good stuff here. Um, that was beyond some
52:52
Speaker 1: of my my knowledge level. That was helpful. But but
52:55
Speaker 1: another thing that I thought was really interesting that again
52:59
Speaker 1: I was not when I was looking at properties by myself,
53:02
Speaker 1: but when you showed up, you had a folder with
53:04
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of information about it about this property
53:08
Speaker 1: that I had not had access to yet. Could you
53:10
Speaker 1: tell me what it was you came with that, um
53:13
Speaker 1: that we we looked at to learn more about the
53:14
Speaker 1: property before even walking up. Oh, let me see here.
53:18
Speaker 1: When I showed up there, I think I had, UM,
53:23
Speaker 1: I had aero photos. But then I know after the
53:26
Speaker 1: fact we got into the like some of the title
53:28
Speaker 1: work and I looked into, um, some of the tax
53:31
Speaker 1: data before I got there, and uh, the aerial photo
53:35
Speaker 1: that was there. This is what you're talking about the
53:37
Speaker 1: aero photo that we had the property. And then when
53:39
Speaker 1: I got into the tax data, there was information about
53:43
Speaker 1: multiple tax id numbers. Well inside that aero photo. Is
53:47
Speaker 1: that what you're talking about? Well, I was gonna say
53:49
Speaker 1: even before that, what about all the acre oh gosh,
53:53
Speaker 1: acre value website stuff or the soil you brought all
53:57
Speaker 1: these different soil maps that show the soil quality breakdown
54:00
Speaker 1: and a whole bunch of stuff like that. Yeah, there
54:03
Speaker 1: was acre value. UM. You can get a soil analysis
54:07
Speaker 1: map where prints out printed out what types of soil
54:11
Speaker 1: and how many how much of that soil was over
54:13
Speaker 1: what amount of the acreage, And it was a good
54:16
Speaker 1: tool to all, you know, know the soil composition and
54:19
Speaker 1: the layout. Yeah. I thought that was really interesting to
54:22
Speaker 1: see what kind of soil cloud we had. And then
54:25
Speaker 1: I remember, I'm looking here at the folder right now
54:27
Speaker 1: that you gave me. I've got the tax information, the
54:29
Speaker 1: g I s uh read out about the property. UM
54:34
Speaker 1: even had a sample by agreement that I could look
54:37
Speaker 1: at just to see you, Okay, this is what a
54:38
Speaker 1: potential contract would look like if we were going to
54:40
Speaker 1: do this. UM. So that was that was all helpful stuff.
54:45
Speaker 1: UM and I definitely felt just more confident after seeing that,
54:48
Speaker 1: And you seem to think, you know, after walking it,
54:52
Speaker 1: there weren't any There weren't any visible red flags, like
54:56
Speaker 1: everything looked good as we walked it. The only red
54:59
Speaker 1: flag was the fact that why is this thing still here?
55:02
Speaker 1: Like how come it hasn't gotten sold yet? Because it
55:04
Speaker 1: is almost seemed too good to be true? Right right?
55:09
Speaker 1: Is there is there any other I don't know going
55:13
Speaker 1: through that process, Joe, Maybe any things like when you're
55:16
Speaker 1: walking a farm with someone, are there any kind of
55:18
Speaker 1: potential red flags that you look for or specific kind
55:23
Speaker 1: of gotcha things that a lot of people miss because
55:26
Speaker 1: they're excited and they overlook things. Um in my case
55:30
Speaker 1: brought Sean out. We didn't see any red flags. But
55:32
Speaker 1: was there anything that you've experienced in the past that
55:34
Speaker 1: could catch someone up? Maybe? No, you know that you're
55:38
Speaker 1: seeing that those fields have gone follow. I want to
55:40
Speaker 1: know why those fields went follow or they're too small
55:42
Speaker 1: for the farmer? Wasn't expired to RP as it it
55:45
Speaker 1: a permanent use my program like w RP or crap
55:49
Speaker 1: because those all change the values of that ground. But
55:53
Speaker 1: Collins Sean having him walking with you and you probably
55:55
Speaker 1: knew the value. He probably gave you a really good
55:57
Speaker 1: idea to the procet in the market, or it's way
55:59
Speaker 1: over price, or here's what it's really worth or what
56:01
Speaker 1: it will praise for. But those those those kind of
56:04
Speaker 1: hidden things, uh, mineral rights issues that you're gonna find
56:08
Speaker 1: and we're gonna get to that. I imagine that the
56:09
Speaker 1: title work and stuff like that an easement issues especially,
56:13
Speaker 1: and looking at those fields, I want to make sure
56:15
Speaker 1: that they aren't in a permanentsement corrupt c r e
56:18
Speaker 1: P or w RP program or any other conservation easement
56:22
Speaker 1: where it may prohibit you from planting food plots or
56:25
Speaker 1: doing any habitat manipulation because a lot of those conservation
56:29
Speaker 1: easements are literally you leave it in the condition at
56:31
Speaker 1: jin and that's all you can do. You can't cut
56:32
Speaker 1: the timer, can't plant food plots, can't do anything, and
56:35
Speaker 1: you don't want to get into something that you may
56:37
Speaker 1: be get into it way cheaper, but it's worth less
56:40
Speaker 1: as you move forward, and you can't do with it
56:42
Speaker 1: what you want to do with it. So you need
56:45
Speaker 1: to make you need to be cognitive why those fields
56:47
Speaker 1: weren't were left flow. Yeah, and that that's kind of
56:52
Speaker 1: right in line with what right? Oh yeah, Like that's
56:55
Speaker 1: what we got into because the once we went back
56:58
Speaker 1: and we pulled the title work, a lot of the
57:00
Speaker 1: lot of information started to come to the surface. We
57:02
Speaker 1: we kind of, you know, that's all we kept thinking
57:05
Speaker 1: was why isn't this sold yet? And we got into
57:08
Speaker 1: it and kind of you know, figured some things out
57:10
Speaker 1: with with the reasonings, and we will probably get to
57:15
Speaker 1: that a little bit later. Yeah, I mean, let's let's
57:17
Speaker 1: talk about that now, because you know, I did the
57:19
Speaker 1: walk through the new and me came through did the walkthrough,
57:22
Speaker 1: and and I looked at you. I'm like, Sean, does
57:24
Speaker 1: this seem as good as I think it is? And
57:25
Speaker 1: You're like, yeah, I really do. Um, it's just like
57:28
Speaker 1: we need to understand the details behind it, like is
57:30
Speaker 1: there something we we don't know about yet. So basically,
57:33
Speaker 1: by the end of that day, we sat down we
57:35
Speaker 1: reviewed a potential purchase agreement. You I kind of had
57:38
Speaker 1: you walked me through what we'd be doing. Um, and
57:42
Speaker 1: this is something you know, I've never been through before.
57:43
Speaker 1: I had no idea what happens next. And that was
57:45
Speaker 1: a little intimidating, right, I'm glad it has someone to
57:48
Speaker 1: be there with me, because I you know, if I
57:49
Speaker 1: had worked originally like that first property I wanted to
57:52
Speaker 1: put an offer on before I was talking to you,
57:54
Speaker 1: If I had done this without a buyer's agent, that
57:56
Speaker 1: guy was just gonna have me like fill out some
57:58
Speaker 1: paperwork online and I was just gonna go with it
58:01
Speaker 1: and just trust this guy. Hope this guy. You know,
58:03
Speaker 1: I was working in my best interest. I don't know
58:05
Speaker 1: what else doing. I wouldn't have known all the things
58:08
Speaker 1: that you did after this would have been I don't
58:10
Speaker 1: know what would have happened. So walk me through if
58:13
Speaker 1: you can. What you told me once I said, Hey,
58:16
Speaker 1: I want to put in an offer, but help me
58:18
Speaker 1: understand what that process looks like and how do we
58:20
Speaker 1: make sure that we're protected in case there is some
58:23
Speaker 1: weird thing going on that we don't know about yet.
58:26
Speaker 1: Um that's what I asked you, and then you explained
58:28
Speaker 1: it to me. Can you explain it to us again?
58:30
Speaker 1: Now you're part of the part of the process of
58:35
Speaker 1: placing the the offer in in in the contract, there's
58:39
Speaker 1: different continuencies, and one of them is that they've got
58:42
Speaker 1: to provide all the like a clean sellable title and
58:47
Speaker 1: your title agency will go in and they kind of
58:49
Speaker 1: do some digging for you. And we had kind of
58:51
Speaker 1: identified a couple of things that were odd UM with
58:56
Speaker 1: the original listing UM because there was only to the
59:02
Speaker 1: the aerial photo on the outline that they were showing
59:04
Speaker 1: as the property for sale wasn't the property for sale
59:08
Speaker 1: according to the tax ideas, and we wanted to make
59:12
Speaker 1: sure that what we were what we were buying was
59:16
Speaker 1: what we were buying. So we we ended up finding
59:20
Speaker 1: out that one of the tax I d s wasn't
59:22
Speaker 1: included in the property, but there was an additional tax
59:25
Speaker 1: idea that was so when we wrote the offer, we
59:28
Speaker 1: we included the three three tax ideas so that UM
59:35
Speaker 1: was to make sure that we we bought all the
59:37
Speaker 1: property they are not just the two. We would end
59:39
Speaker 1: up with um less acreage than what was in the
59:43
Speaker 1: aerial photo. But then when that offer went to title,
59:47
Speaker 1: they were able to UM bring up some information which
59:51
Speaker 1: uncovered the the potential short sale which we needed to
59:55
Speaker 1: get approven from the bank, the seller's bank on ye um. Yeah,
1:00:03
Speaker 1: before we get kind of the biggest hurdle right there. Yeah,
1:00:06
Speaker 1: before we get to that though, there was another question too,
1:00:09
Speaker 1: which was um about easements and stuff, right, because there
1:00:14
Speaker 1: was like some funky things going through the property a
1:00:16
Speaker 1: little bit, uh, And you were able to I think
1:00:19
Speaker 1: this was in the title process, but I can't remember
1:00:21
Speaker 1: exactly in that in the in the offer, it was
1:00:25
Speaker 1: contingent that we were able to review this stuff. We
1:00:27
Speaker 1: could review the title work in the easements and everything.
1:00:29
Speaker 1: We had I think it was five days or ten
1:00:31
Speaker 1: days or something like that that we could review it
1:00:33
Speaker 1: all make sure that there wasn't something funky. Um, could
1:00:37
Speaker 1: you describe what what what? Some of those other things were? Right?
1:00:40
Speaker 1: There was several different easements that we had to double
1:00:43
Speaker 1: check on right. Oh. Yeah, there was an easement that
1:00:50
Speaker 1: one of the parcels was part of an old railroad
1:00:53
Speaker 1: bed and just to make sure that you had that
1:00:57
Speaker 1: there wasn't any um ownership the railroad what they could
1:01:01
Speaker 1: do to that, because there's some some places in mission
1:01:03
Speaker 1: where they turned the old railroad surreils trails. You wanted
1:01:07
Speaker 1: to make sure that that you had ownership of it
1:01:09
Speaker 1: and weren't they weren't. They didn't have any ownership to
1:01:11
Speaker 1: do anything above surface on it. There was also the
1:01:15
Speaker 1: electrical easeman on there and there was also the access
1:01:19
Speaker 1: easement that we weren't sure about until the end, where
1:01:23
Speaker 1: when we first viewed the property, we came through a
1:01:26
Speaker 1: driveway that was part of the easement to get to
1:01:29
Speaker 1: the original property. But then we we found out that
1:01:32
Speaker 1: that that didn't transfer and they created the they culvered
1:01:37
Speaker 1: up on the road for us. UM. So that was
1:01:42
Speaker 1: that was the three Easeman issues that we had. The
1:01:45
Speaker 1: one of the thing we questions about which which after
1:01:48
Speaker 1: we went to this process, you called me up and said, well, hey,
1:01:50
Speaker 1: here's here's what's going on the power line. Easeman's find
1:01:53
Speaker 1: the railroad, Easeman. There's nothing to worry about there. You
1:01:56
Speaker 1: would own that. Um. Then there was something and I
1:01:58
Speaker 1: can't remember exactly what it was called. It was like
1:02:01
Speaker 1: the crop lands we're in a program was like quality
1:02:03
Speaker 1: farm ground or or official or qualified farming. What was
1:02:08
Speaker 1: that qualified? It was? It was a qualified We want
1:02:12
Speaker 1: to make sure that it wasn't in a like a
1:02:15
Speaker 1: PA to sixty or uh. It was gonna qualify. It
1:02:19
Speaker 1: was qualified farm land, which gave you a different tax
1:02:23
Speaker 1: price in the property. But we wanted to make sure
1:02:25
Speaker 1: that it wasn't in a like a land bank program
1:02:29
Speaker 1: which prohibited you from from doing anything through the property
1:02:34
Speaker 1: if you wanted to, because some of them programs have
1:02:37
Speaker 1: different criteria and we wanted to just make sure that
1:02:41
Speaker 1: there was no restrictions on the farmland, which or something
1:02:44
Speaker 1: Joe talked about earlier. I think we'll find out what
1:02:47
Speaker 1: restrictions were. Yeah. Yeah, were are there any other scenarios
1:02:52
Speaker 1: like this? Joe Worth noting any other programs you mentioned
1:02:56
Speaker 1: that w r P, c RP. We just talked about
1:02:58
Speaker 1: the qualified farm owned. Um, any of the proms like
1:03:02
Speaker 1: that or we got touched on most of them? Yeah.
1:03:05
Speaker 1: Every every state different. Every every state deals with several
1:03:08
Speaker 1: different conservation easements. Uh. Some of them just prohibit they
1:03:12
Speaker 1: do lower your tax based they just prohibit the property
1:03:15
Speaker 1: from ever being subdivided, which generally in a smaller person
1:03:19
Speaker 1: doesn't make a big difference. But it's about hundred acres. Now,
1:03:22
Speaker 1: you want to sell twenty acres to your son to
1:03:24
Speaker 1: build a house. If it's in a conservation easement, A
1:03:27
Speaker 1: lot of times you cannot do that. Um. The biggest
1:03:31
Speaker 1: easement that I really worry about is ingress eat grass easement,
1:03:34
Speaker 1: so you may and it sounds like you went through
1:03:37
Speaker 1: that on this property where you thought the driveway was
1:03:39
Speaker 1: your ingress eat grass, but they actually put it in
1:03:41
Speaker 1: a call. But for you, those could all be shook
1:03:43
Speaker 1: out in title work. But I really worry about the
1:03:46
Speaker 1: property behind your property, possibly have an access through your property,
1:03:51
Speaker 1: because it happens a lot right down the center of
1:03:53
Speaker 1: your sixty acres or maybe a road going back to
1:03:56
Speaker 1: the neighbor's property. And if that is in fact a
1:03:59
Speaker 1: DA easement, that devalues that property to you, probably because
1:04:03
Speaker 1: you don't want to be in a chair standing somebody
1:04:04
Speaker 1: come driving by on your pickup at a half hour
1:04:07
Speaker 1: before dark. Uh So those things really can't be shook
1:04:11
Speaker 1: out most of the time until you do title work.
1:04:14
Speaker 1: But that's that's why it's important for to have somebody
1:04:17
Speaker 1: uh go through those contracts with you, because if you
1:04:20
Speaker 1: wrote a contract online or you hire an attorney the
1:04:22
Speaker 1: right to a contract, there's a lot of those things
1:04:24
Speaker 1: that could be missed. Um. So having somebody who's knowledgeable
1:04:28
Speaker 1: in the land base and land sales makes a giant
1:04:31
Speaker 1: difference because they're gonna make sure you're covered. So if
1:04:33
Speaker 1: there's an easy ministure or a clear title issue, or
1:04:36
Speaker 1: maybe you have a mineral rights, you know you're gonna
1:04:38
Speaker 1: survey issue or financing issue. There's lots of things in
1:04:41
Speaker 1: there are contenencies. A good agent is going to protect
1:04:44
Speaker 1: you with all those. So if something comes up out
1:04:47
Speaker 1: of title worker, something comes up in your due diligence
1:04:49
Speaker 1: period after the offer is made, that you still have
1:04:53
Speaker 1: an ability to get out of that contract without having
1:04:56
Speaker 1: to pay a help me based on the selling might
1:04:59
Speaker 1: be able to good time. Yeah. So so basically moving on,
1:05:03
Speaker 1: then we're able to clear all the title stuff right,
1:05:06
Speaker 1: all the Eastman's, all the programs that all seemed to
1:05:09
Speaker 1: make sense. Um, we'd already determined ahead of time that
1:05:12
Speaker 1: this is a good value. You'd gone ahead and done
1:05:14
Speaker 1: a pretty detailed even acre by acre valuation based off
1:05:17
Speaker 1: soil types and what the tillable would go for and
1:05:20
Speaker 1: what would the non tillabill go for and all that
1:05:21
Speaker 1: and everything matched up well. We felt good about the
1:05:23
Speaker 1: price preakre um. Those things all handled and it seemed like, okay,
1:05:29
Speaker 1: it's green light the offer. Um. We had a little
1:05:32
Speaker 1: bit of back and forth on the offer, but we
1:05:34
Speaker 1: can to a place that felt good. But then the
1:05:36
Speaker 1: last thing, and you mentioned the Sean was the fact
1:05:39
Speaker 1: that we found out that there was some language in
1:05:41
Speaker 1: the contract about uh, contingent on approval of a short sale,
1:05:45
Speaker 1: and I don't know what that was. Um, I don't
1:05:47
Speaker 1: know how that was going to impact us in anyway.
1:05:49
Speaker 1: It kind of got me a little nervous. Um, can
1:05:51
Speaker 1: you walk us through what that was, Sean, how we
1:05:54
Speaker 1: dealt with it, what it how it impacted us in
1:05:56
Speaker 1: a little wit. Yeah, it just it basically just slowed
1:06:00
Speaker 1: us down a little bit in the process. But we
1:06:03
Speaker 1: had to wait on the bank. There was the original
1:06:06
Speaker 1: owners um owned this piece with another larger piece, and
1:06:11
Speaker 1: to sell it, Um, the money need to go back
1:06:14
Speaker 1: to the bank and they need to they need to
1:06:16
Speaker 1: approve it because they weren't selling it for the full
1:06:20
Speaker 1: I think the full value of what they quote on it. Yep.
1:06:26
Speaker 1: So and once the bank okay that we're okay to go.
1:06:29
Speaker 1: But it was it kind of slowed us down and
1:06:32
Speaker 1: gave us a, you know, something to look at as
1:06:35
Speaker 1: far as what was really going on. Because the wordage
1:06:37
Speaker 1: did come up. It was something that was surprised to us. All.
1:06:39
Speaker 1: It wasn't anything that the agent talked about to us
1:06:42
Speaker 1: in the the beginning of the process. Are there any
1:06:46
Speaker 1: other things like that? Um, any other when it comes
1:06:51
Speaker 1: to the closing like this, when it comes to the
1:06:53
Speaker 1: final you know, details like after that point, like the
1:06:56
Speaker 1: short sale got approved right by the bank and once
1:06:59
Speaker 1: that was a proved and it was approved on our end, Um,
1:07:02
Speaker 1: we just had to sign on the dotted line, right. Um.
1:07:06
Speaker 1: Was there anything else going through your mind that you
1:07:09
Speaker 1: thought might have been a potential um hiccup, still it
1:07:13
Speaker 1: might happen, or was there anything you were thinking about
1:07:15
Speaker 1: or that somebody else should be thinking about. I guess
1:07:17
Speaker 1: if they're in this process and they're they're right about
1:07:20
Speaker 1: to sign and closing this thing, any final be careful
1:07:25
Speaker 1: or keeping out for this type of thing that we
1:07:27
Speaker 1: should mention, you know. I mean the it's limitless like
1:07:31
Speaker 1: a property can be like in a perfect world situation,
1:07:34
Speaker 1: so easy to go through this process. I mean in
1:07:38
Speaker 1: a perfect world, if it's a cash deal, it could
1:07:40
Speaker 1: go through in a couple of weeks. But I mean
1:07:44
Speaker 1: this can drag on with these types of hurdles get
1:07:48
Speaker 1: through over a period to three months or more not
1:07:50
Speaker 1: even happen. So Um, it's just it's each individual transaction. Ah,
1:07:58
Speaker 1: I mean, there's there's a limitless amount of things that
1:08:00
Speaker 1: could happen. Yeah, Joe, you got any Yeah, but you
1:08:05
Speaker 1: know went through which it went through is fairly common
1:08:09
Speaker 1: for an approval process by a bank. If if if
1:08:12
Speaker 1: it's in a state, or it's to trust, or it's
1:08:15
Speaker 1: a divorce, there may be attorney review. Uh. Some of
1:08:19
Speaker 1: states require a probate case, would require a probate court
1:08:23
Speaker 1: judge approving it. UH. Sometimes those take time, and if
1:08:26
Speaker 1: there's anybody in the estate that objects to it, they
1:08:29
Speaker 1: can extend that out. I had one personally that went
1:08:32
Speaker 1: fifteen months, uh, going back and forth in and out
1:08:35
Speaker 1: of court. Luckily the buyer was was very patient, uh,
1:08:39
Speaker 1: and he ended up buying it, and we negotiated, and
1:08:42
Speaker 1: the longer it went on, his price went down. So
1:08:45
Speaker 1: we made sure that he was he was getting the
1:08:48
Speaker 1: property for a price he wanted. But the longer it
1:08:50
Speaker 1: went on, because I knew it could be a problem
1:08:52
Speaker 1: going into with probate approval, UH that for every month
1:08:56
Speaker 1: the price went down fifty or a hundred dollars an acre. UH.
1:09:00
Speaker 1: So it motivated the estate themselves that hey, we need
1:09:03
Speaker 1: to get this wrapped up. Because literally one of the
1:09:05
Speaker 1: members of the estate was dragging their feet and would
1:09:08
Speaker 1: not show up in court and extend court and all that.
1:09:11
Speaker 1: That's why I took fifteen months. But it literally, it
1:09:13
Speaker 1: literally saved the buyers several thousand dollars in the end
1:09:17
Speaker 1: because we put those limits on it. And I probably
1:09:19
Speaker 1: if we wouldn't have had that decreasing amount, we probably
1:09:23
Speaker 1: would still be in probate court process waiting for that
1:09:27
Speaker 1: thing to get done. But we've seen a lot with
1:09:29
Speaker 1: the states. Like I said, there may be a state
1:09:31
Speaker 1: attorney needs to approve uh short sales like a bank approval,
1:09:35
Speaker 1: especially if they're taking uh like sixty acres out of
1:09:38
Speaker 1: a track that will have to be approved by the
1:09:41
Speaker 1: bank because I have to give you a lean release
1:09:43
Speaker 1: on that for that sixty acres because they can't pay
1:09:45
Speaker 1: off the entire league. They're taking part of it to
1:09:47
Speaker 1: pay off part of it. Uh So there's lots of
1:09:50
Speaker 1: things like that. So'll just be patient and and see
1:09:53
Speaker 1: what's happening as you go through title work and and
1:09:56
Speaker 1: hear about these things. You'll you'll learn about these things
1:09:59
Speaker 1: afterwards after you put approach of approaching, because a lot
1:10:03
Speaker 1: of times they don't get flushed out until that point. Yeah. Yeah,
1:10:07
Speaker 1: that was another big ha for me. I was. I
1:10:09
Speaker 1: was very naive. I thought that, Okay, we'll put an
1:10:11
Speaker 1: offer and you know, six days from now, I'll be
1:10:14
Speaker 1: able to go out there and we own it. And
1:10:16
Speaker 1: that was not the case. Um, and we were We
1:10:18
Speaker 1: were lucky that most of the stuff going on for
1:10:20
Speaker 1: us was pretty easy, like it probably could have been.
1:10:23
Speaker 1: Like you mentioned, you on some people takes months and months,
1:10:26
Speaker 1: so we're lucky. It was just I don't know a
1:10:27
Speaker 1: handful of week process. But um, but yeah, the the
1:10:32
Speaker 1: ending was a happy ending. We were able to close
1:10:35
Speaker 1: and everything looked good and we, uh we now own this. Uh.
1:10:40
Speaker 1: I think it's just about sixty four acres. I think
1:10:43
Speaker 1: it's the official total of it, and uh it is
1:10:46
Speaker 1: a super cool little piece with lots of potential and
1:10:49
Speaker 1: uh we even got a picture from the previous owners
1:10:53
Speaker 1: shared picture with you, Sean of a really nice buck
1:10:56
Speaker 1: that was shot on a neighboring property, which is another
1:10:58
Speaker 1: really nice uh confidence booster. So I feel like this
1:11:03
Speaker 1: farm has got tons of potential from a deer hunting standpoint,
1:11:06
Speaker 1: a lot of other cool projects we can do to
1:11:09
Speaker 1: help other wildlife, and uh, you have a lot of
1:11:12
Speaker 1: fun out there too, So I'm very excited I'm very
1:11:16
Speaker 1: thankful for all your help, Sean to this process. And uh,
1:11:20
Speaker 1: I guess before we wrap it up, though, I want
1:11:22
Speaker 1: to make sure that there's not anything else, um that
1:11:26
Speaker 1: we've left off the table here as far as I
1:11:29
Speaker 1: don't know, is there anything else Joe or Seawan thinking
1:11:31
Speaker 1: in your head right now, if someone's listening to this
1:11:34
Speaker 1: and they want to buy a farm and they've been
1:11:36
Speaker 1: listening to to understand you know here my example and
1:11:38
Speaker 1: hopefully apply that to their future purchase decision and process.
1:11:42
Speaker 1: Have we missed anything, We've left any important pieces of
1:11:45
Speaker 1: the puzzle out that you really want to make sure
1:11:47
Speaker 1: that we leave someone with anything for you, Joe that
1:11:49
Speaker 1: that jumps out right away. Look, I'm just gonna reiteract
1:11:53
Speaker 1: the fact, and I would basically, I'll call several agents
1:11:56
Speaker 1: to interview them, talk to them, look at properties with them,
1:11:58
Speaker 1: and jump find somebody comfortable with and I would engage
1:12:01
Speaker 1: with them because they will save you money and they
1:12:04
Speaker 1: will save you a bunch of headaches down the road.
1:12:06
Speaker 1: This is what they do every day. This is not
1:12:08
Speaker 1: a one, one time, once in a life trans time transaction,
1:12:12
Speaker 1: which is a lot. I mean, most guys make one
1:12:14
Speaker 1: big purchase in our life of land, and that's it.
1:12:16
Speaker 1: Someone makes several but uh, engageing somebody who knows that
1:12:20
Speaker 1: business to protect you. I mean, you wouldn't go. You
1:12:23
Speaker 1: wouldn't try to perform surgery yourself. Don't don't try to
1:12:27
Speaker 1: do real estate yourself. Although most of the time you
1:12:29
Speaker 1: get out of it all right, in a situation like this,
1:12:32
Speaker 1: with these easements and and uh and the short sale
1:12:35
Speaker 1: and the contingencies that you had, you could have got
1:12:38
Speaker 1: yourself into a real bad behind where you're forced to
1:12:41
Speaker 1: perform on that contract and buy that property even though
1:12:44
Speaker 1: it has some problems or some red flag that would
1:12:47
Speaker 1: give you the opportunity to get out if somebody would
1:12:50
Speaker 1: have wrote the contract for you correctly. So I can't
1:12:53
Speaker 1: I can't stress that enough. I think most buyers, I
1:12:56
Speaker 1: think it's gonna cost some extra money to have an
1:12:59
Speaker 1: agent involved. Just interview a couple of guys. Feel comfortable
1:13:02
Speaker 1: with somebody. If you feel comfortable, you have a bond
1:13:05
Speaker 1: with that person, feel they're going to have your best
1:13:07
Speaker 1: interests and their knowledgeable in the base and with the criteria,
1:13:10
Speaker 1: you want engage that guy and make him work for you,
1:13:13
Speaker 1: because I promise you it'll save you a ton of
1:13:15
Speaker 1: headaches down the road. Other than that, like Sean said,
1:13:18
Speaker 1: there there are in a million scenarios and there's no
1:13:22
Speaker 1: way we can go over those in any kind of
1:13:24
Speaker 1: conversation because literally, even at the office with two agents
1:13:29
Speaker 1: and listen to several scenarios a day, we look, we
1:13:33
Speaker 1: come up with a new scenario nearly every day. I
1:13:35
Speaker 1: mean just something that there's several of us there in
1:13:38
Speaker 1: the office. I have a ton of experience and we're like,
1:13:40
Speaker 1: we're all scratching our heads. We gotta figure it out,
1:13:42
Speaker 1: and then we'll have a we'll have a form to
1:13:44
Speaker 1: figure that out. So yeah, well that's that's definitely what
1:13:49
Speaker 1: it seems to be. Uh My big takeaway from this is,
1:13:53
Speaker 1: don't feel bad about getting some help. I wish I
1:13:56
Speaker 1: would have done that sooner, and I'm glad I finally
1:13:58
Speaker 1: did at the end because I would have been over
1:14:00
Speaker 1: my head. So so I guess that leaves us with
1:14:03
Speaker 1: the hero, which is Sean. Do you have any final
1:14:07
Speaker 1: final words, any final suggestions or anything for folks? Um.
1:14:11
Speaker 1: I would say, like, first, I'm not the hero, and uh,
1:14:15
Speaker 1: I would say that I bounced a lot of this.
1:14:18
Speaker 1: I really reached out to my home office, Joe and
1:14:22
Speaker 1: Joe and Kirk Kirk Gilbert and you know a lot
1:14:25
Speaker 1: of people at Whitehill Properties to help me through through
1:14:27
Speaker 1: this and some other some other properties that I've dealt
1:14:30
Speaker 1: with problems on. So that's one of the good things
1:14:32
Speaker 1: about being an agent for this company is that you've
1:14:35
Speaker 1: got such a great resource in Pittsfield of you know
1:14:39
Speaker 1: guys that you said, there's two hundred agents and they
1:14:41
Speaker 1: deal with this stuff every day. So whenever I run
1:14:43
Speaker 1: into a roadblock, I can always call them and and
1:14:46
Speaker 1: have them help me through it. So, UM, it's kind
1:14:51
Speaker 1: of I mean, we touched on everything good. Okay, I'm
1:14:54
Speaker 1: glad we were. We were thorough. I feel like this
1:14:56
Speaker 1: was this was fun to get to talk about this
1:14:59
Speaker 1: kind of topic, but with a happy story that I'm
1:15:02
Speaker 1: involved in. Um, that's pretty cool. So I guess the
1:15:05
Speaker 1: final thing would be for people that are listening and
1:15:08
Speaker 1: they want to learn more about what White Tail Properties
1:15:11
Speaker 1: has to offer in general, and then if they want
1:15:13
Speaker 1: to get ahold of you specifically Sean or you Joe,
1:15:16
Speaker 1: either one of you. Um, could you guys just explain
1:15:19
Speaker 1: to the listeners where and how they could do that
1:15:21
Speaker 1: go ahead, John, all right, Yeah, you can get on
1:15:25
Speaker 1: white tail properties dot com and you can get to
1:15:29
Speaker 1: um there's a list of agents, or you can click
1:15:31
Speaker 1: on the state and then find the agents through the website,
1:15:36
Speaker 1: or you can or you can email me directly at
1:15:40
Speaker 1: Sean and C H A W N dot Kelly K
1:15:43
Speaker 1: E L L E Y at white tail properties dot
1:15:45
Speaker 1: com with any questions or or concerns you might have.
1:15:51
Speaker 1: I can kind of try and help you out. Great
1:15:54
Speaker 1: and Joe at same go to white tail properties dot
1:15:58
Speaker 1: com called me at the office to one seven to
1:16:00
Speaker 1: eight five nine thoubum my personal seals listed on there.
1:16:04
Speaker 1: It's two one seven zero three three two. I I
1:16:08
Speaker 1: take calls, Sean will tell you I take calls all
1:16:10
Speaker 1: time of that hours a day, whether it be six
1:16:12
Speaker 1: am or or eleven pm. I'm always good about taking
1:16:16
Speaker 1: calls and return phone calls as this Sean. So don't
1:16:19
Speaker 1: feel just feel free to reach out to just just
1:16:21
Speaker 1: to have a conversation, even if you're not ready to
1:16:24
Speaker 1: mind yet, if you just want to talk about we
1:16:26
Speaker 1: have a lot of calls come into the oppossee that
1:16:28
Speaker 1: are like, hey, you know, I really want a recreational property,
1:16:31
Speaker 1: but I really don't know what I want yet. I
1:16:33
Speaker 1: don't know if I want a big deer, if I
1:16:34
Speaker 1: want to pawn. I don't know what state I want
1:16:36
Speaker 1: to be in, even I know I want to be
1:16:38
Speaker 1: somewhere in the Midwest. Can you help me so? Then
1:16:40
Speaker 1: you start working through values in that checklist with a
1:16:43
Speaker 1: guy and we'll do that as at an office. Then
1:16:45
Speaker 1: we'll pass that guy that buyer along to a guy
1:16:48
Speaker 1: like Sean or Mike or Tim Woods that you mentioned
1:16:52
Speaker 1: based on that guy's cripchiers. Hey, this is what this
1:16:54
Speaker 1: guy's looking for. Would your reach out to him if
1:16:56
Speaker 1: you've got anything that fits, because a lot of buyers
1:16:59
Speaker 1: literally do not have an idea where they want to be,
1:17:02
Speaker 1: just like you did when you started. You started at Michigan,
1:17:04
Speaker 1: Indiana and Ohio. Now you keep fine tuning that as
1:17:07
Speaker 1: you look through um. But you did that kind of
1:17:10
Speaker 1: on your own. But we can help through that for guys,
1:17:14
Speaker 1: either through the office or through one of the land specialists.
1:17:17
Speaker 1: Very good. Well, I'm really glad that we were able
1:17:20
Speaker 1: to do this. I'm glad um that we Luke you
1:17:22
Speaker 1: and Sean and the rest of the team. Everyone was
1:17:25
Speaker 1: was very helpful and uh it led to a really
1:17:28
Speaker 1: positive outcome that I'm excited about and thankful for. So
1:17:31
Speaker 1: so thank you Sean, thank you Joe both for all
1:17:34
Speaker 1: of your help during this process in this podcast. And
1:17:37
Speaker 1: hopefully we can talk again soon with with more happy
1:17:40
Speaker 1: endings about how this hunting season goes. Yeah, we're kind
1:17:44
Speaker 1: of interest doing the outcome and what your progress is
1:17:46
Speaker 1: with the have aitat manipulation and how the farm works
1:17:50
Speaker 1: out for your long term. Definitely keep you posted, all right,
1:17:53
Speaker 1: Thank you sir. All right, and that is they were
1:17:55
Speaker 1: at and that is it. Thank you for listening. As
1:18:00
Speaker 1: mentioned at the top, make sure you're watching the back
1:18:02
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1:18:05
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1:18:07
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1:18:12
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1:18:14
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1:18:20
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1:18:23
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1:18:27
Speaker 1: Christmas or the holidays, Mary, Mary Christmas, have a great
1:18:30
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1:18:33
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1:18:36
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