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Game of Cats · Large Nerdron Collider

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  Speaker 1: The Large Nerdron Collider Podcast is a production of I
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  Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hi everybody, Welcome to The Large Nerdron Collider Podcast,
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  Speaker 1: the podcast that's all about the geeky things happening in
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  Speaker 1: the world around us and how super excited we are
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  Speaker 1: about it. I'm Ariel Casting and with me as always,
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  Speaker 1: who's comedic genius and good friend Jonathan Strickland. Hey, Ariel, Yes, Jonathan,
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  Speaker 1: I got a question for you, all right, Ariel. Your
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  Speaker 1: question and this this does tie into our topics of
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  Speaker 1: discussion today, is that you have a chance to have
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  Speaker 1: sort of a gender flipped experience playing a character from
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  Speaker 1: a musical that typically we go to a male actor.
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  Speaker 1: What's a song from a show that's typically sung by
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  Speaker 1: a male actor that you would love the chance to
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  Speaker 1: give your own take on. Okay, well, I'm very fickle
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  Speaker 1: about musicals and so I'll change what musical I want
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  Speaker 1: to sing from day to day. But there is a
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  Speaker 1: a go to song that is usually sung by a
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  Speaker 1: guy that I really love singing and would love to sing,
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  Speaker 1: and that is Lost in the Wilderness from Children of Eden.
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  Speaker 1: It's usually sung by Cain and Abel and it's it's
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  Speaker 1: very heartfelt and there's like but it's nice and a
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  Speaker 1: tenner range, so I tend to be contralto tenor and
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  Speaker 1: so I've always liked singing guy parts anyhow. But that
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  Speaker 1: that's just off the top of my head, Like I said,
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  Speaker 1: that could change any day. There's a song I want
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  Speaker 1: to sing it that I hear you. Anyone who has
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  Speaker 1: gone to karaoke with me knows that if they're is
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  Speaker 1: a song I wanted to sing it? What gender bent
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  Speaker 1: song would you like to sing? So there are tons
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  Speaker 1: of so I I have been known to sing at
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  Speaker 1: karaoke songs that were meant for actresses, for example, Popular
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  Speaker 1: from Wicked. It's one of my favorites. I love doing
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  Speaker 1: that one. But as for the song that would really
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  Speaker 1: love to sing, um that I would never get away
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  Speaker 1: with It would be Stupid with Love from Mean Girls
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  Speaker 1: because it's just a fun, little upbeat, silly song. It
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  Speaker 1: is not age appropriate for me. It's not gender appropriate
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  Speaker 1: for me because it's sung by a character who's supposed
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  Speaker 1: to be a high school student, a young female high
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  Speaker 1: school student, so it's about as far away from me
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  Speaker 1: as you can get. But it is a genuinely fun
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  Speaker 1: song to sing. Uh, there's also another one called light
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  Speaker 1: I love play Rehearsal, which is from b Moore Chill
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  Speaker 1: that one I would also kill to sing because I
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  Speaker 1: love that song too. But that's enough about me. We're
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  Speaker 1: now going to segue into a segment I like to
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  Speaker 1: call what's that Ariel about? Anyway? Huh? I don't know
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  Speaker 1: what is that Ariel about. We're gonna find out, and
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna find out by asking the foremost expert on
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  Speaker 1: what Ariel is all about, and that is Ariel. Hey, Ariel,
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  Speaker 1: We're gonna get to know you, Okay. So we're gonna
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  Speaker 1: start off with the the simplest of questions, but one
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  Speaker 1: that you have received numerous times because I've been there
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  Speaker 1: when it's happened, which is, where did your name come from?
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  Speaker 1: Did your mom name you after the Little Mermaid? So no,
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  Speaker 1: my mom did not name me after the Little Mermaid.
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  Speaker 1: I was when I came out and h The fun
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  Speaker 1: thing is, though, depending on the day and when you
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  Speaker 1: ask her, she did name me after Hi mom. She
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  Speaker 1: did name me after a cartoon character. So my mom
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  Speaker 1: and dad were watching Thunder the Barbarian, as the story
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  Speaker 1: sometimes goes, and in Thunder are which is kind of
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  Speaker 1: like he Man he manadjacent. There's a sorceress named Ariel,
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  Speaker 1: and he goes Ariel Let's ride. And they liked that
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  Speaker 1: name and so they used it. But they also will
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  Speaker 1: sometimes say it was after the sprite in the Tempest
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  Speaker 1: from Shakespeare. Uh. And they like it anyhow because in
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  Speaker 1: Hebrew it means lyness of God, and so there are
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  Speaker 1: lots of nice reasons to have that name. But I
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  Speaker 1: cling to the one that I heard, the one that's
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  Speaker 1: stick with me the most, which is I was named
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  Speaker 1: after a character from Thunder of the Barbarian. Being named
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  Speaker 1: after a Shakespearean character is no no bad shakes either.
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  Speaker 1: So to speak, the Tempest is a true masterpiece. Some
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  Speaker 1: argue that it was the one work of Shakespeare that
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  Speaker 1: was wholly original, not something that he lifted from a
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  Speaker 1: previous work and then adapted. So I mean, and I
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  Speaker 1: have played Ariel in the Tempest, and I have been
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  Speaker 1: in a play of the Little Mermaid, although I was
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  Speaker 1: her big sister, and it wasn't the Disney version nice. Well,
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  Speaker 1: then let us move on with learning more about what
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  Speaker 1: Ariel was like as a child. Arguably I knew Ariel
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  Speaker 1: when she was a child, but that was when she
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  Speaker 1: was a teenager, So it doesn't really, it's not the
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  Speaker 1: same thing. Eight teen, maybe nineteen? Were you eight? So
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  Speaker 1: I met you in two thousand? How old were you then? Uh? Eighteen? Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so yeah, I started red Fest at eighteen. But we
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  Speaker 1: didn't super know each other then. No, no, but I
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  Speaker 1: mean you you had seen me perform in Shakespeare parodies
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  Speaker 1: in fact, so she knew me before I knew her.
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  Speaker 1: Actually she didn't know me. She knew my character before
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  Speaker 1: I knew who she was. You are a great performer,
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  Speaker 1: and your character, more so than my friends who worked
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  Speaker 1: at the Renaissance Festival, was part of the thing that
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  Speaker 1: made me go, hey, I want to work there. You're
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  Speaker 1: character and then a kissing wen sh at a promotional
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  Speaker 1: event both made me go I want to do that.
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  Speaker 1: And we'll get to more of Georgia Renaissance Festival in
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  Speaker 1: a second, but first I want to hear about some
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  Speaker 1: of the geeky things that you loved when you were
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  Speaker 1: growing up. What were some of the things that you
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  Speaker 1: kind of gravitated toward a star trek? I remember what, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I remember watching the cartoon as a small child, and
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  Speaker 1: I was raised on science fiction, fantasy, I remember reading
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  Speaker 1: a Connected Yankee and King Arthur's Court in the Hobbit
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  Speaker 1: and Lord of the Rings with my parents. A lot
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  Speaker 1: of uh asthmov in Highland children Highland stuff, not adult
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  Speaker 1: Highland stuff, so like the Rolling Stones and not the
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  Speaker 1: not the wacky psycho sexual stuff that came in later
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  Speaker 1: Highland stuff. Now. But you know, my mom was a geek,
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  Speaker 1: my dad was a geek, and so it was inevitable
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  Speaker 1: that I would be. You know, it was raised on
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  Speaker 1: science fiction, fantasy, Star Trek, Star Wars, all of it
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  Speaker 1: phantom to old booth is. I would lump in their
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  Speaker 1: never ending story as well. It's nice, Well my favorite things.
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  Speaker 1: Well then let's let's uh, let's talk a little bit
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  Speaker 1: about the Renaissance Festival. Now. I have seen most of
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  Speaker 1: the characters you've played, not all of them, actually, because
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  Speaker 1: there were a couple that you played when I was
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  Speaker 1: sort of inactive in the festival scene and I wasn't
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  Speaker 1: even going as a patron. But can you talk about
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  Speaker 1: maybe a couple of your characters and some of your
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  Speaker 1: favorites and what they were like? Sure? So, like I said, uh,
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  Speaker 1: meeting one of the kissing wenches was what made me
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  Speaker 1: want to do the Renaissance Festival. So I auditioned for
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  Speaker 1: with a Shakespeare piece and auditioned to be a kissing
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  Speaker 1: wench in particular, and I got the call that I
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  Speaker 1: was cast, and they wanted me to be the old maid. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: about as far away from kissing wench as possible, although
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  Speaker 1: in her heart she wants to be a kissing winch,
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  Speaker 1: and her heart she wanted to be a kissing wench.
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  Speaker 1: It was. It was a little bit soul crushing. Now
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  Speaker 1: it was fine. It was. It was a great experience
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  Speaker 1: and it really stretched me. I was lies alone, the
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  Speaker 1: village old maid. But we had another Liza at fair
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  Speaker 1: who was lies a lot. And my friend, who encouraged
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  Speaker 1: me to audition at the time, was playing the stocksman
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  Speaker 1: whips a lot, and so I became lies alone a
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  Speaker 1: lot uh, the old maid. Uh. Since that time I
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  Speaker 1: have gone all over the place. I was a fashion
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  Speaker 1: consultant Voguelo mode, which I think is my most returned
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  Speaker 1: to character, who was all about the color pink. I
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  Speaker 1: was also the black widow Lady Marianne killing him, wife
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  Speaker 1: of the late Earl of killing him before that, wife
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  Speaker 1: of the late Duke of Softly and before that wife
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  Speaker 1: of the late Viscount of with his words, So it
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  Speaker 1: was actually Lady Marian killing him softly with his words,
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  Speaker 1: widow of sixty eight looking for a number of husband,
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  Speaker 1: husband number sixty nine. I was also Ruby two Lips
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  Speaker 1: at Kissing Wench. My band played there, and so I
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  Speaker 1: played Beatrice flats and huns and Bencinianza tall and small
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  Speaker 1: and sfence and Swanson, which yes, was a nod to
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  Speaker 1: the producers. Everybody could call me be flat because I
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  Speaker 1: played clarinet, which is a B flat instrument. All over
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  Speaker 1: the place. I was all over the place. I think
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  Speaker 1: those were the ones that staid with me most. I
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  Speaker 1: was also in scenario one Yere, which is the big
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  Speaker 1: plot that happens. Yes, there's a plot at the Renaissance Festival,
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  Speaker 1: depending on which one you go to. I did stage
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  Speaker 1: combat you name it, I did it, yeah, and uh,
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  Speaker 1: and I mostly knew you as Vogue. That was the
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  Speaker 1: character that we we mostly overlapped with, and typically the
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  Speaker 1: character I was playing at that point, who was the
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  Speaker 1: Lord Admiral was uh kind of in a weird like
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  Speaker 1: hot and cold relationship with Vogue, where one of us
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  Speaker 1: would seem to be very friendly towards the other and
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  Speaker 1: the other one would just be the most like cold
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  Speaker 1: and distant person possible and then it would change. But
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  Speaker 1: it was never, never, never the same way, Like we
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  Speaker 1: never had two people who were really into each other.
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  Speaker 1: It was always a one way a direction for the
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  Speaker 1: for the infections, and the other person was either oblivious
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  Speaker 1: or outwardly spurning them. Um. Oh, that's what keeps it
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  Speaker 1: fun though, Yeah, that was what made it really fun,
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  Speaker 1: is that it added it created comedy for the audience,
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  Speaker 1: which is the whole reason for it. And you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: your band. First of all, what's the name of your band?
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  Speaker 1: It depends on what day you're asking. Right now, we're
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  Speaker 1: calling ourselves either the Tenpenny Travelers or the Fetching Muggins. Nice.
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  Speaker 1: I was about to say, like, you mean, you're not
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  Speaker 1: the Tenpenny Travelers anymore. That's we are. So we're the
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  Speaker 1: Tenpenny Travelers. That's what we perform at various festivals as
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  Speaker 1: in a Pirate Palooza. We've recently started playing some bluegrass
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  Speaker 1: music for a larp that we play, and so at
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  Speaker 1: that lark where the Fetching Muggins. Just because we're all
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  Speaker 1: different characters and not our real life songs. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm in a pirate Renaissance folksy band called the Tenpenny Travelers.
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  Speaker 1: There's actually an album there is. We keep meaning to
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  Speaker 1: make a second one, but that takes so much work.
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  Speaker 1: We actually started off playing I met them at a
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  Speaker 1: lark and they were like a woodwind group and playing
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  Speaker 1: folk music and folk dances uh at events and weddings
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  Speaker 1: and things like that. So we were a wedding band
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  Speaker 1: for a while too. That was fun and exciting. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and they play a lot of a lot of the
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  Speaker 1: songs that you would hear at places like the Renaissance Festival.
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  Speaker 1: That there's songs that are very they're very folk song oriented,
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  Speaker 1: but um they're very recent period because that's what everyone
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  Speaker 1: plays at the Renaissance Festival. I think I've been to
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  Speaker 1: maybe two Renaissance festivals where they had people playing period
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  Speaker 1: appropriate music, And the problem with that is that audiences
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  Speaker 1: don't expect period appropriate music they want to hear. They
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  Speaker 1: want to hear things like the Irish folk tunes that
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  Speaker 1: they associate with the Renaissance but in fact are much
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  Speaker 1: more recent than that. Yeah, the period music is much
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  Speaker 1: better for like background as opposed to sitting and watching
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  Speaker 1: a show or most audiences. Well, then, how about since
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  Speaker 1: you mentioned larpin, how did you get into that? What
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  Speaker 1: was what was your experience getting into larpin? And can
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  Speaker 1: you tell us a little bit about some of your
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  Speaker 1: characters that you play in the various games. Oh golly, yes, so. Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Like I said, I was raised a geek, and early
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  Speaker 1: in my life I decided I wanted to be a
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  Speaker 1: theater geek more than anything, and I joined in outdoor
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  Speaker 1: Shakespeare troop and one of the actors in one of
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  Speaker 1: the shows with me said, Hey, I do this LARPing thing.
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  Speaker 1: You should check it out. Uh. And the larpe that
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to go to at the time was eighteen
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  Speaker 1: years and older. Because you're all out role playing in
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  Speaker 1: the woods and hitting each other with plumbing supplies wrapped
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  Speaker 1: in foams. You want to you want it to be adults.
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  Speaker 1: You don't want to beat up some poor child larpin.
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  Speaker 1: The LARPing scene has changed drastically over the years, at
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  Speaker 1: least the LARPs I play in. So we actually do
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  Speaker 1: have some kids who are allowed to play with parents
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  Speaker 1: supervision on a case by case basis. Uh. But I
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  Speaker 1: was seventeen at the time, And when I turned eighteen,
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  Speaker 1: I went to a LARP convention and I tried a
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  Speaker 1: couple of characters. Uh, And I started off with kind
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  Speaker 1: of rogue e fantasy characters, so I played like a
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  Speaker 1: jewel Elf and a fire Elf and it was Elfie,
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  Speaker 1: and I wanted to be all these like pretty little characters.
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  Speaker 1: And then as time went on, I decided I wanted
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  Speaker 1: to be a bruiser. So it's it's a lot easier
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  Speaker 1: to play a game when you just got to worry
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  Speaker 1: about oh thing to hit, uh, and less about well,
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  Speaker 1: here's all this intrigue happening, and here's all these details.
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  Speaker 1: As I've become busier as an adult, it's also easier
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  Speaker 1: for me to play and get invested in a game
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  Speaker 1: if I don't have to remember a ton of details
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  Speaker 1: about all of these fake politicians and intrigues and things
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  Speaker 1: like that. So uh, I think my favorite characters are
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  Speaker 1: the last two I played. One was a Barbarian from
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  Speaker 1: a culture that was very closely based off of Finnish culture,
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  Speaker 1: which uh, my great grandparents on my mother's side, one
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  Speaker 1: set of them are from Finland, So I was all
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  Speaker 1: about that so I could hit things and pretend to
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  Speaker 1: be from Finland. And then the other one that I
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  Speaker 1: currently play is at a western larp with um a
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  Speaker 1: lot of nerve guns and I play a monster hunter.
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  Speaker 1: So I'm basically playing Dean Winchester from Natural. Yeah. In fact,
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  Speaker 1: I play winnifridg Chesterfield or winchester Field. Uh. Nice, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: You're you're naming convention meets with my approval. I'm I'm
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  Speaker 1: glad it does. I like to be punny, so do I.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, my character at Rosistance Vessel is Edmund Vaine Glory,
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  Speaker 1: and I really I really lived up to that name
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  Speaker 1: as much as I could, whereas the name of the
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  Speaker 1: French villain I played was Robert Camembert, the Marquis de
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  Speaker 1: Roque four, which was about as cheesy as it gets.
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  Speaker 1: Uh So, to wrap this section up, I have one
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  Speaker 1: more question I want to ask you, and it's one
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  Speaker 1: of those that I think it's kind of fun to
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  Speaker 1: chat with with various geeks, which is, what is something
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  Speaker 1: in the geek sphere that you know you should have
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  Speaker 1: already seen or experienced, but you just haven't gotten around
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  Speaker 1: to it yet. So the one that keeps coming one
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  Speaker 1: is Nightmare before Christmas, which we talked about in Our
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  Speaker 1: Christmas our first Christmas episode. The other one I think
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  Speaker 1: would be The Shining. I've never watched The Shining. I've
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  Speaker 1: read very little Stephen King. Unlike Jonathan, I'm not the
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  Speaker 1: hugest of horror buffs. I watched my first horror movie
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  Speaker 1: in fifth grade. I asked my parents, I said, can
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  Speaker 1: I please see this? And they said, well, because you
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  Speaker 1: asked you can, we don't think it's a good idea.
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  Speaker 1: And boy were they right, because Freddy Krueger haunted my
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  Speaker 1: dreams for so long. It was Freddy Krueger and it
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  Speaker 1: was candy Man. Oh yeah, which at the time I
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  Speaker 1: got through by by thinking the heroin could not have
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  Speaker 1: lost that much blood. This is ridiculous, Just trying to
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  Speaker 1: take myself out of it, to look at it from
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  Speaker 1: a from an outside angle, but Shining. As I get older,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm able to divest myself from some the
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  Speaker 1: scarier aspects of suspensibul horror movies. I'm still not a
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  Speaker 1: big gore fan. I don't I don't like too much
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  Speaker 1: slasher torture stuff. Sure, yeah, but the Shining, while you know,
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  Speaker 1: it does get gross in some areas, it's such a classic.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like I'm missing out by not reading it
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  Speaker 1: watching it. There's a well, I mean, yeah, and it's
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  Speaker 1: two different experiences, right, because the book is very different
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  Speaker 1: from the movie, In fact, so much so that Stephen
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  Speaker 1: King was famously upset at Stanley Kubrick for the changes
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  Speaker 1: that Kubrick made to the story. Though I would argue
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  Speaker 1: that Kubrick's changes for the most part work well with
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  Speaker 1: one one exception one thing that is a problem I
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  Speaker 1: think early on in the movie, but that's largely due
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  Speaker 1: to casting and not necessarily the film itself. The Shining
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  Speaker 1: is a truly pivotal important pop culture thing. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: there's so many references to the Shining in pop culture,
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  Speaker 1: uh that I think by the time you finally do
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  Speaker 1: sit down to watch it, you're gonna have the feeling
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  Speaker 1: of I've seen of this movie already, just through the
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  Speaker 1: cultural touchstones, you know, like Red Lum and stuff like
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  Speaker 1: and here's Johnny and all that kind of stuff. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: and I know it transcends geek culture, but most of
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  Speaker 1: the people who I know who are Stephen King fans
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  Speaker 1: are geeks, and so for me it just fits right in. Yeah. No,
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  Speaker 1: I think I think horror geek fits in with other
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  Speaker 1: types of geeks. I mean, most of the conventions we
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  Speaker 1: go to, horror ends up playing, you know, a pretty
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  Speaker 1: big role in the various panels and discussions. It's usually
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  Speaker 1: I would argue that it's normally a little a tear
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  Speaker 1: below science fics and in fantasy and most like in
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  Speaker 1: most mainstream conventions. But there are also you know, horror
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  Speaker 1: centric conventions out there too, and and horror so often
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  Speaker 1: intersects with fantasy or science. Well, yeah, I agree. I
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  Speaker 1: think the shining is something you need to experience, but
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  Speaker 1: it needs to be experienced in your own time. No
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  Speaker 1: one should be rushed, and there's no there's no time
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  Speaker 1: limit on when you can experience something for the first time. So,
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  Speaker 1: just as a gentle reminder to our dear listeners out there,
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: if you hear that somebody hasn't had a specific experience
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: that you think they would really dig, then the best
• 18:35
  Speaker 1: reaction is probably not to say, why haven't you done
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: that yet? It should be I am so excited that
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: you get a chance to see this or experience this.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: That's that's that's a better way to go about it,
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: because it doesn't put someone on the defensive and it
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: lets you share in their excitement to experience something for
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: the first time. So that's me on my soapbox. I
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: gotta get down off the soapbox because we're gonna need
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: to take a quick break. And when we come back, Yep,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: we're gonna go and talk about some musicals. Yeah, alright,
• 19:16
  Speaker 1: so we're back, and like Jonathan said, we're going to
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: talk about some musicals, but specifically television and movie musicals
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: that are not musicals by nature for the most So
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: we're talking about shows and stuff that have occasionally dipped
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: their toe into the musical, you know, pool, But this
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: would leave out stuff like Glee. Glee doesn't count really
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: because Glee was structured to be kind of sort of
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: a musical. Like it also really helps us kind of
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: get our minds around what we think of as a musical. Actually,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: I think that's a good place to start. Aerial Uh
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: for you, what what what makes something a musical for
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: you as opposed to something that has music and maybe
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: even singing in it for me? And I think you
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: and I have discussed this, so we haven't necessarily discussed
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: it with our audience. A musical is a story where
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: the plot is furthered by singing. And I think you
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and I have agreed in the past that a good
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: musical is when the music comes in when the characters
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: emotions are so strong that they have no other way
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: to express themselves. So you know, there are jukebox musicals
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: and if you can where you take pre pre made music,
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: music that was not made with the intent of it
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: being in a musical, for instance Jersey Boys, and you
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: plug it in to fit certain situations and you can
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: use that music to further a plot. And some jukebox
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: music musicals are fun. Mamma Mia is a lot of fun.
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: But to me, a really good musical is one where
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: you're driving the plot and you're drive, you're learning things
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: through this music that just bubbles out at heights of emotion. Yeah,
• 21:05
  Speaker 1: I agree with that. I think that a real musical
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: is one where the songs either further the plot or
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: they tell you something important about the character. One of
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: the at least one of those two things should happen,
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: maybe both. If you're really good, you get both done
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: in one song. Occasionally you get songs that fall into
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: general categories, like there's the I Want song, which is
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: where you learn whatever. Either it's the protagonist or it
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: might be the antagonist, but you learn what it is
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: that they desperately want and what is going to drive
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: their their motivations and their actions moving forward. Uh, you
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: know you've got And then there are a lot of
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: songs in musicals, like theater musicals, they have a specific
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: purpose where like, there's a longstanding joke that the first
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: song after intermission is one that has no real impact
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: to the story of the play because you're literally just
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: filling up time where people are coming act to their seats.
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: So like that's that's a that's a gag, but it's true.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: It is true, Yeah, because a lot of people do
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: not return to their seats when they're supposed to. The
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: women's restroomline is so long that the lights flash and
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: you're like, you're like, listen, I cannot sit through another
• 22:15
  Speaker 1: hour of Jean Valjean singing in his high pitched voice
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: if I don't go to the loo. So so I
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: agree with you, Ariel. I think that, you know, a
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: really good musical puts those thoughts at the heart of
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: the story, and jukebox musicals can do that. It's just
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: harder because in that case, you've you're you're kind of
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: shaping the story around the songs that you have, as
• 22:40
  Speaker 1: opposed to crafting songs that help you tell the story
• 22:42
  Speaker 1: you want to tell. Yeah. I mean, well that is
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: a great landmark of a really good songwriter or band
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: or group if they can create songs that spark your
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: imagination in that way that you want to create entire
• 22:54
  Speaker 1: stories around them. Uh. You know, and you and I
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: both love music. I really like when shows decided to
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: be a musical. One of my favorite TV shows I
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: would consider musical, which is Gallivant. Yes, yes, Galivant is
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: a musical, and it it falls, It follows the rules,
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: and it shouldn't be any surprise. I mean you had
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: mincol One of the one of the pair of Ashman
• 23:18
  Speaker 1: and Lincoln who were part of the Disney renaissance with
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: the Little Mermaid and Beauty and the Beast in Aladdin,
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: as as one as one of the people working on
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: that show, so you would expect it to have those qualities.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: And Galivant was very tongue in cheek. It was very meta,
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: and it's in its approach to fantasy tropes and trying
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: to subvert those in fun ways. Not every episode was
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: a total winner, but the really good ones were genuinely
• 23:44
  Speaker 1: really good, and the songs were always fun. I mean,
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: any any show that casts weird Al Yankovic as a
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: singing monk has got got my vote. Uh So, yeah,
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that's like that was a really fun one and it
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: was a shame that we only got two seasons of it. Yeah,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: I agree. There have been some other shows that have
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: tried to veer into the straight up musical genres, such
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: as Crazy Ex Girlfriend or is Always Extraordinary Playlist, But
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: most TV shows either incorporate music here and there throughout
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: because the actors also enjoy musical theater and music, or
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: they just toyed the idea of having a musical episode
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: for the funzies of it. Yeah, and it's fun to
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: also see when they try and justify that, like how
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: they justify it. Different shows have done it in different ways.
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: So for example, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, which had one
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: of the best musical episodes of a non musical show
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: of all time once More with Feeling. Uh. They did
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: it because a demon was in the town and the
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: demon's enchantment caused people to sing their innermost thoughts and desires,
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: so people were incapable of holding their thoughts and they
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: had to sing them out when they rose to the surface.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: And so people would would learn each other's you know,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: inner motivations, which further the drama for the rest of
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: the season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. So it ended
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: up playing a lasting part in the series. It wasn't
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: just a little one off thing that was fun and
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: curious and then never talked about again. It had long
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: lasting impact for the characters in that series. It was
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: really well done for a series where I would say
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: the majority of the actors were not actually singers. Yeah, yeah,
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: you had a couple, You had a couple of really
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: strong ones, you know. Amber Benson was playing Tarots, very
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: strong Giles who has played characters like Dr Frankenfurter and
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: Rocky Horror Uh. Anthony Stewart Head, brother to Murray Head,
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: who was in Chess uh and and Jesus Christ Superstar.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: I mean, like, there are a couple of legit like
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: superstar singers in there, but most of them weren't. Anthony
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: Stewart Head was also in although a very small part,
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: in The Sweeney Todd with Johnny Depp. He was also
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: in repo the Genetic Opera, I was gonna say, which
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: not very very low on the list of musicals for me,
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: but it's got Paris Hilton in it. Come on, But
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: that's like top notch entertainment. Uh So. Another great example
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: would be Scrubs. Scrubs out a musical episode where they
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: framed it where there was a patient who comes in
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: who has uh had an event happened to her where
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: for some reason, she perceives all the people around her singing.
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: And so in that episode, the idea is that people
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: are not actually singing in the in the quote unquote
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: real world, but we're seeing it through her perception. So
• 26:48
  Speaker 1: in that sense, we get a bunch of musical numbers.
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: And again it's because you know, people like Zact love musicals,
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: and so they did a whole bunch of different songs
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: and that one was a lot of fun too, and
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: also really and more played into things that we already
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: knew about the characters. I don't think we've got a
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: lot of revelation from that one, but we wouldn't expect
• 27:09
  Speaker 1: it because it's being seen through someone who just got there.
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: So but I do think it was a clever way
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: to incorporate, Hey, I want a musical episode. Is to
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: give it that that justification. I mean, we've got an
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: entire and so easy extraordinary playlist is all about uh,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: a woman who hears everybody's internal thoughts and songs, so
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: kind of the scrub story expanded, you know. And then
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: you've got like the Flash and Supergirl crossover, which I
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: think was an alternate universe. Quite honestly, I did watch it,
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: but I was so excited because it was just full
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: of amazing singers who have been on Broadway. The kids
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: who play Cisco was in once, Victor Garber was in
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: it all, you know, and Supergirl and the Flash themselves
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: also were on Glee. So it was just an episode
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: where they're saying, we've got all of these talented actors
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: who are also very talented singers, Let's give them a
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: reason to sing. And then it was also very like
• 28:10
  Speaker 1: Mobster speakeasy ish, So I really liked that episode. I
• 28:15
  Speaker 1: I don't know whether I prefer I know that when
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: I watch adaptations of movies like Disney's to be Off
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: on a litt Bunny show, when I watched Disney Duo
• 28:26
  Speaker 1: live action adaptation, sometimes so focus more on the actors
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: than on this on the acting part than the singing part,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: and I feel like the singing suffers. But I don't
• 28:39
  Speaker 1: feel the same way in television. As much as I go,
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: I want to see these people singing in a musical
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: episode because they're amazing. You can have something like Buffy
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: or Scrubs or even psych although to meet the Oddmudson
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: who was in Psych in and Gallivant is an amazing singer,
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: and go. I'm just so excited to see these characters
• 28:57
  Speaker 1: interact in this media that I love so much that
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: it doesn't matter to me if they're a good singer.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And of course there are there are other methods of
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: incorporating musicals into shows. There are several shows where within
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: the show the characters are mounting a musical, and that
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: makes it really easy to have, you know, music in
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: the show. You don't have to find some weird justification
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: for why everyone is suddenly singing. It's actually built into
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: the premise of the plot itself. So the perfect example
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: of this, I would argue, possibly the best version of
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: a musical within an episode ever, is, of course, The
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: Night Man Cometh from It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia, Possibly
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: the best episode that has ever been made for television,
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: especially if you've ever been in theater. If you not
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: only know, let me let me amend that if you
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: have ever directed any musical theater. Yes, you will feel
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: so much sympathy for Charlie in that episode up until
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: the end of it. But but you'll feel so much
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: sympathy because I I have directed a musical and I
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: was watching that thinking this is so real it hurts.
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I would have to agree with you. Often always Stunny
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: in Philadelphia is too crass for me. But it really
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: was so genuine in its musical episode of of the
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: Nightman come with of this is how mounting a musical
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: works on a community level that it was frustrating and
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: delighting all at the same time. UH Supernatural also had
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: an episode where they mounted a musical. Rather, it was
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: a girls school mounting a musical of the comic series
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: written about the Winchester brothers. Uh on On a at
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: the time prophet who knew the Winchester story and was
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: writing about it. Yes, so the Winchesters adventures were being
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: written into book form. So there was within the world
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: of Supernatural the the other characters of Supernatural, UH knew
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: of the Winchesters, but a lot of people just knew
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: of them as the characters in this book series that
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: became crazy popular. Yeah, and would argue with them about
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: points in their own life. But I would say the
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: musical and always Stendy in Philadelphia, while it was crasser,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: was stronger than the one in Supernatural. Although you did
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: get the song single manned here in the Supernatural episode,
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: which was pretty brilliant. Uh, the songs weren't as strong,
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: but it was pretty funny. My favorite episodes of Supernatural
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: are the ones where they kind of break that third
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: wall and play with you on how ridiculous it is
• 31:34
  Speaker 1: and and that was a prime example of it, when
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: they're making fun of themselves. Uh. And you mentioned already
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: crazy ex girlfriend. But I just want to give a
• 31:42
  Speaker 1: special shout out because that show, uh was so good.
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: It was one that I didn't initially appreciate that much. Uh, Like,
• 31:53
  Speaker 1: I thought it was good, but I also thought it
• 31:55
  Speaker 1: was hard to watch and it was hard to connect
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: with characters. But it was a long play and the
• 32:01
  Speaker 1: revelations of the main character. There's a point where you
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: go on that journey with her and you are you
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: realize why she is the way she is, and you
• 32:11
  Speaker 1: are way more on her side at that point than
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: you have been previously. And um like the fact that
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the show itself didn't shy away from criticizing its own protagonist.
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: Like in the song She's sang, she was setting herself
• 32:27
  Speaker 1: up for the criticism. And it has one of my
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: favorite through lines of any show that's a musical as well,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: which is the Santa Anna Wins episode, only because the
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: actor they got to play the Santa Anna Wins, he
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: plays the Santa Anna Wins. He's the embodiment of them.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: He's like a low key type character of mischief. Um.
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: And he is played by a guy who had been
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: in Jersey Boys. So he's singing like Frankie Valley. He's
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: hitting those super high falsetto notes and he's singing about
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: being the winds and making people do weird stuff. And
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: so the the the whole thing is, it's it's the
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: main character who is blaming her her behaviors on external forces,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: in this case the Santa Anna Wins, and the Santa
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: Ana Wins at the end of it says like, no, seriously,
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: this is all you. I'm just here. You know like
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: it's you're you're the one who's making these choices, and
• 33:25
  Speaker 1: but it is it is legit like a joyful experience
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: to watch that sequence because the actor playing the Santa
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Ana wins is so good at the choreography and the singing,
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: and it's it's doo wop, which also hits a soft
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: spot in my heart. I happened to really love that genre.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: Uh so, so that is Uh there's a their YouTube
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: videos where you can watch all the little Santa Ana
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: win interstitials back to back, So if you just want
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: to get a feel for that, you can do it.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: I have watched that possibly fifty times in a row,
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know, but um, yeah, I'm a big fan.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of these sort of things. To
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: their shows that have done it poorly. Um, there are
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: shows that have only kind of toyed with it or
• 34:06
  Speaker 1: didn't even bother to explain why it happened. How I
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Met your Mother, I would argue, goes in that direction,
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: largely because Neil Patrick Harris was in it. Yeah, Neil
• 34:15
  Speaker 1: Patrick Harrison also Jason Segal who loves musical stuff yes
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: writes music where they famously would do the the dual
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: duet scene from lam is Together You just you just
• 34:28
  Speaker 1: got slapped. It is one of my favorite through lines
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: of a show. Now that we've talked about this, do
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: you prefer shows that are musical musical episodes or shows
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: where they put a musical on or have occasional musical
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: bursts in I think I think as long as it's
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: done well, I don't really care what version it takes.
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: Like I as someone who loves musicals, I love the
• 34:52
  Speaker 1: pure musical first and foremost. That's like my favorite approach.
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: But they are also ones where like The Nightman Cometh,
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: where it's it's you know, it's the fact that they're
• 35:02
  Speaker 1: putting on a musical that has its own appeal to me,
• 35:05
  Speaker 1: and it gets into that meta side, you know. I
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: mentioned in a in another episode the show Noises off
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Um that that sort of thing is another meta commentary
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: on the process of making theater. And we see this
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: a lot, like we see it a lot in Hollywood,
• 35:21
  Speaker 1: we see it a lot in plays, we see it
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: a lot in books where people are writing about the
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: thing that they do and that becomes the story that
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: plays out, which limits your audience a little bit because
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: if you're not someone who does that that doesn't really
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: matter to you, But but I I really appreciate it
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: from that standpoint. What about you? Yeah, I think I
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: like when it is sprinkled throughout here and there because
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: it gives me something to look forward to, how I
• 35:49
  Speaker 1: met your mother. I think that's the best best of
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: it for me, because they'll occasionally have little musical numbers
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: pop up, and it's always a delight when it does,
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: and I know that it may not be the last one.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: Whereas one I watch Buffy or Psych or Scrubs, I'm like,
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: this is this is going to be the one musical episode.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: You might occasionally have characters who will sing something briefly,
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: like Scrubs did a few times where they had the blanks,
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: the acapella groups singing stuff, or they would have people
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: singing typically a minute work song um or that or
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: a ratier because they did respect in the first season,
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: but it was more rare than something that would happen
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: in every episode. Yeah, no, I get it. Well, when
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: we come back, we're going to do a musical mash
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: up of a couple of things, ourselves, taking one unjustifiably
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: famous musical and mashing it up with a justifiably arguably
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: famous piece of fiction. But first let's take a quick break. Okay,
• 37:05
  Speaker 1: so we are mashing up the two properties of cats
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: musical a Game of Thrones. And this was a decision
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: that I can't remember why we made it, but we're
• 37:20
  Speaker 1: gonna do it now. Um. I think we decided just
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: to be we needed a musical since we're talking about
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: musical things, and we chose to be as ridiculous as possible,
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: which made for really difficult time writing a mash up. Yeah,
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: and then we we decided to go with like something
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: that was truly not musical, and Game of Thrones really
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: fit the bill there, Um, unless you're talking about was
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: it add something or other? Hearan, yes, who was in
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: in a couple of episodes? Um see, now here's the
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: thing though, I only watched the very first episode of
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Game of Thrones, but I read all the books that
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: have been published up to this point. So for me,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: like I, I tend to fall more on the books
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: than the television series. I know what happened in the
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: TV series because I'm a human being who has the
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: ability to access the Internet, but I wasn't following it
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: uh wholeheartedly. But we should probably give a quick rundown
• 38:14
  Speaker 1: on what each of these things are. I call cats. Okay, okay,
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: So so Cats is based off of a T. S.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Eliott series of poems, has a couple of original pieces
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: in it too, but the poems were all individual poems
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: about cats and and cats that sometimes interact with dogs
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: and sometimes other stuff too, But it's typically just a
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: bunch of poems that introduce various cats. Uh. Andrew Lloyd
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: Webber loved the book of poems and he grew up
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: reading them, and he wanted to make a musical, and
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: he decided along with producers, that they were going to
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: make a musical about cats. And then they strung together
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: a bunch of mostly unrelated poems. The paul are related
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: in the sense that they're about cats, but they're not
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: like it's not like a story. They wanted to weave
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: them together to make a narrative. So this really is
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: like a jukebox musical, except in this case the jukebox
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: isn't songs but poems that have been set to music
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: and then tell the story about cats who are trying
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: to reach the heavy side layer, which is this idea
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: of being essentially dying and being reborn into a new life.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: So my friend describes it as a show where each
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: of the main characters takes turn introducing themselves until one
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: of them dies. That's pretty mean, that's pretty true. It's
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: not too dissimilar from Game of Thrones either, where you
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: introduce a whole bunch of characters and then killed them off.
• 39:42
  Speaker 1: So Game of Thrones is a fantasy novel series by
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: George R. R. Martin. It introduces a ton of characters
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: and it kills them all as they're all fighting to
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: gain control of the kingdoms via the Iron Throne. There's dragons,
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: there's sexy ti times, there's not so sexy sexy times.
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: There's lots of murder, and HBO made a show about Yeah,
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: it's it's like, it's like dark fantasy in a way,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: And yeah, it involves a lot of intrigue and a
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: lot of betrayal and eventually will teach you the lesson
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: that if you're a good person, you're gonna die and
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: you're not like good people do not last long in
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: that series, the less good you are, the more likely
• 40:27
  Speaker 1: old stick around, at least for a while. You'll you
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: will eventually die too, and they'll probably be horrible, but
• 40:32
  Speaker 1: you'll outlast most of the other characters. Yeah. Yeah, So
• 40:38
  Speaker 1: so I wanna who wants to go? Do you want
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: me to go first? This time? I tend to go second,
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: but I don't know if you want me to go
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: second again, you can you can go first, Okay, all right? So,
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: so I have decided to do mine as a series
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: of unconnected uh vignettes, much like Cats and um this
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: is sort of my pitch for a game of Throwing
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: Cats crossover musical. And I'm gonna be giving you sort
• 41:05
  Speaker 1: of a reading of a musical. If you've seen Guttenberg
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: the musical, That's exactly what I'm about to do to you,
• 41:12
  Speaker 1: and that I am going to, as the sole creator
• 41:15
  Speaker 1: of this amazing show, give you the rundown of what's happening.
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: So first thing you have to do is you have
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: to introduce the whole concept of your show and Cats.
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: This is done with the naming of cats. They explain
• 41:27
  Speaker 1: how cats are named, and so this is this is
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: how I would start off the Game of Thrones Cats version.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Here he goes. The gaming of Thrones is a difficult matter.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: It isn't just one of your political games. You may
• 41:41
  Speaker 1: think at first. The batties can't get much better, will
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: I tell you? Just wait for the final few frames.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: First of all, there's the Starks who rule up in
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: snow Land. There's ned and Aria and a bunch who
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: all die. I guess that's a spoiler, but that's how
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: it goes. Man. If I said your favorite lives, it's
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: probably a lie. There are other houses if you prefer
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: more choices. There's Targarrian, Terrail, Beratheon, and Frey. House Mormont
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: likes to raise up their voices and great joy sticks
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: around for most of the way, so you see, you
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: can see where that's going. See, I'm just giving you
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: the the quick pitch here. But then you have to
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: start like really introducing your characters and getting to know
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: who they are now. Obviously in Game of Thrones, one
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: of the really important groups of characters come from the
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: house Lanister. Right, So I took the song the cavity,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: and I made a couple of little choices. So it
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: goes um the Lanisters, the Landisters. There's no unlike the Landisters.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: All of them will pay their debts and throw you
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: from the banisters. You might meet them at King's Landing.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: They're all the ways close at hand, but out of
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: that entire bunch, it's the short one I can stand.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: So that's that's introducing the Lanisters. But you also you
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: also have to introduce other characters who may not be
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: around for very long. Uh. One of the characters and
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: cats who you get the feeling is getting real close,
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: probably to the end of his life as Gus the
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: theater cat. So I took that one and I decided
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: to apply it to another beloved character from the book
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: series who I think was given too short a treatment
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: in the television series. So here we go. M Kate
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: is the Stark who got a raw deal. In the books,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: she's a zombie. I mean that for real. In the
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: show she gets killed during a wedding that's read. But
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: in the books she's a gal who just won't stay dead.
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: That's another spoiler if you don't know about Lady Stoneheart, okay,
• 43:44
  Speaker 1: and then you have to go through There's a song
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: called Old Deuteronomy in cats Um that gives you some
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: information about Old Dinner on Me. I thought you also
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: are gonna need some songs that continue the plot and
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: explain magic in the world. So I just got this
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: really quick little snippet to kind of give you that
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: idea goes, well, of all things, can it be? Really? No? Yes?
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: So high? Oh my eye, my mind, baby wandering. But
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I confess I believe dragons are eating my thigh. So
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: you know, then we got introduced the dragons into the story.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: And then I you know, are there certain characters that
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: you just got to figure out? Like how are you
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: gonna throw them in there? Uh? Mr must Files in
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: Cats is a very mischievous cat, But we have a
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: very mischievous character in Game of Thrones. So up and
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: we all say, oh, well, never was there ever cats?
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: So clever is that jerk named little Finger? So you see,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: like through the process of these songs, we will eventually
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: introduce everyone and then the last one will just you know,
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: kill them all off, and that way we will mesh
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: together Cats and and Game of Thrones. Really, Cats and
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Game of Thrones are very similar, except in Game of
• 45:01
  Speaker 1: Thrones more than fifty of your cast has already reached
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: the heavy side layer before you go to intermission. Yeah
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: that was my take. Oh it was much better than mine.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: We don't even have to do mine. Okay, So this
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: is called Mungo jaremandering for the throne. All right, I
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: love the title, thank you. I feel like the titles
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: are my strong points. So Mungo Jamie and Rumpel Cercy
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: lannis Per are two ambitious cats who want to rule
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: the Iron Throne a k a. The Heavy Side Chair.
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: Iron thrones are heavy, man. It sits in a particularly
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: powerful sunbeam, and it's there's It used to be the
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: house of bomber Athian, but he was crappit hunting and
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: got kicked out. Little do they know there are a
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: bunch of other cats who are also trying to sneak
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: into the lanis Per household to take the throne. Do
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: you have Rob Skimble, Stark Grizzle, Sandra Calico, Drogo Manka Sanza,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: rum Tum Terry and Jelly Theon Gray Joy, Charlie Bucketty Maccaveris,
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: Mr martel Offle's Old Bailishronomy and Jacquenanni Dots. The problem
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: is that there are so many of them it's hard
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: to keep them all straight and tell them all apart.
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: Fast forward through a bunch of West Side story as
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: cat fights and catterwalling. After the dust settles, it looks
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: like Denaris Denaire hiss Tiger Gary in a flame Point
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: might succeed in taking the iron throne by releasing a
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: bunch of big lizards into the house to scare the
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: owners out. However, she's killed by a sad snowshoe cat
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: named John uh and in the end, after the cats
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: cause too much destruction the house. Besides, there are more
• 46:41
  Speaker 1: of a bird household anyhow, and none of the cats
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: get the throne. Uh. Epilogue, there's one solo cat left
• 46:49
  Speaker 1: on the wall in the north, singing, I'm a night's
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: watch solos on on this big wall with the wide
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: walker's gone. Now, I am cold and I'm bored. When
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: the day comes, maybe they'll remember I'm here now a
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: new rain has be gone beautiful, Okay, Like the names
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: and puns are phenomenal, and the and the throne and
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: the sunbeam a beautiful touch. I think I think with
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: that we're going to have to sign off. If you
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: guys have ideas of how Game of Thrones and Cats
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: could be mashed up, and you think, hey, I've got
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: my own idea about that, you should let us know. Also,
• 47:38
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• 47:40
  Speaker 1: we should cover in our discussions about all things in
• 47:43
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• 47:46
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• 48:07
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• 48:18
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• 48:25
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• 48:27
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• 48:31
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• 48:34
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