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Explosive documents detail 3-year-old Mariah Woods alleged sex abuse before tot found dead in creek, CLAIMS mommy knew · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: on Sirius XM Triumph Channel one thirty two. The search
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Speaker 1: is still on tonight for three year old Mariah Woods.
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Speaker 1: The girl was last seen by her mother her homing
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Speaker 1: it on his locality. The mother tells me she last
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Speaker 1: saw her daughter in the home at a round eleven
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Speaker 1: PM when she checked on her this is my world,
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Speaker 1: this is my angel. She said her boyfriend saw the
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Speaker 1: taller around midnight when he got up, and she says
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Speaker 1: he told her to go back to bed. Remains believed
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Speaker 1: to be the little girl were discovered along the highway.
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Speaker 1: Now there's an arrest thirty two year old Earl Camry,
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Speaker 1: Mariah's mother's boyfriend. No one is charged with causing her death.
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Speaker 1: Henry's charges only include concealing a death an obstruction of justice.
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Speaker 1: More charges likely to follow and maybe others charged. We
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Speaker 1: are not ruling anything up. After a long search, after
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Speaker 1: sifting through one fact after the next, after literally thousands
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Speaker 1: of people, a t V shoulder to shoulder K nine
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Speaker 1: helicopters die verse. Three year old Mariah is found. She's
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Speaker 1: found at the bottom of a creek twenty five miles
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Speaker 1: from her home. Does it jive with Mommy's story? I
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank you for being
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Speaker 1: with us in the last hours as we had to air,
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Speaker 1: we received bombshell information on the case. Joining me. Dr
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Speaker 1: Chloe Carmichael, psychologist and founder of Anxiety Tools dot com.
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Speaker 1: Alexis tres Chuck, Radar Online dot com investigative reporter death
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Speaker 1: investigator Joseph Scott Morgan and joining me right now, Child
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Speaker 1: advocate Ashley Willcott. Ashley, it's quite a bombshell. What have
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Speaker 1: you learned? Listen? So, Nancy, the CPS documents that the
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Speaker 1: father had he has shared and it states and here
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Speaker 1: really horrific, horrific disclosure by the ten year old sibling.
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Speaker 1: Um and quite frankly, if kids are listening to the show,
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Speaker 1: I don't think they should listen to the parties. Do
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Speaker 1: not mention any one other than Maria if she is included,
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Speaker 1: or the alleged part if he has included. If there
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Speaker 1: any other minor children, let's don't refer to them if
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Speaker 1: there are with me, Child advocate Ashley Wilcott with a
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Speaker 1: major development in this as it unfolds. Right, So, the
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Speaker 1: ten year old sibling, though, states in this document that
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Speaker 1: he witnessed the boyfriend and I'm quoting, put his penis
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Speaker 1: in the mouth of his sister Maria. He also states
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Speaker 1: that the mother knew the boyfriend did this. Now that's
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Speaker 1: one of the allegations, Nancy, It gets worse, right, that's
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Speaker 1: a horrible one. But listen. It also states the mother
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Speaker 1: of Mariah was aware that the boyfriend abuses substances, including
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Speaker 1: listen to this pot heroin and met the amphetamines. Lastly,
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Speaker 1: that on the same day Mariah went missing, that the
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Speaker 1: ten year old was hit in the face by the boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: causing the nose to bleed. That's a hard hit. Kids
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Speaker 1: get hit. They don't bleed right when they're in sports
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Speaker 1: and such, causing his nose to bleed, and the mother
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Speaker 1: knew it and failed to protect him. So, Nancy, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna I'm sure you're over there throwing up right like,
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Speaker 1: so now I'm gonna give it back to you when
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Speaker 1: you probably can't even speak. It's it's that detailed. I
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Speaker 1: hardly even know which way to turn. Ashually, I don't
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Speaker 1: even know which way to turn. Guys, we were talking
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Speaker 1: about the disappearance, and now we know the death of
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Speaker 1: this gorgeous three year old little girl, Maria Woods. I
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Speaker 1: have talked extensively with her father, Alex as he struggles
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Speaker 1: to understand what happened. He was in the middle of
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Speaker 1: a custody battle to get his children back. He did
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Speaker 1: not want them in that home. This is what we know.
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Speaker 1: They lived in a very tiny home and the mom
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Speaker 1: lived with the live in her two boys and a
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Speaker 1: little girl. The little girl the story is Alexis Torres
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Speaker 1: Chuck writer online dot Com, that she goes missing in
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Speaker 1: the middle of the night. Just break it down really quickly,
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Speaker 1: and I want to go back to Ashley Willcott. What happened. Well,
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Speaker 1: the mom called nine one at six o'clock in the
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Speaker 1: morning and said her daughter had been missing. She said
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Speaker 1: she last she saw her, she put her to bed.
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Speaker 1: She said her boyfriend said he saw her at about
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Speaker 1: eleven o'clock at night and he said, don't worry, I'm
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Speaker 1: gonna take care of her. I'm gonna put her back
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Speaker 1: to bed. The mom wakes up in the morning and
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Speaker 1: she is missing. Obviously none of that was true. Now
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Speaker 1: that we have found little Moriah's body and the boyfriend,
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Speaker 1: Earl Camry, has been arrested. You know, the timeline didn't
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Speaker 1: really hanging together for me, and there was a little
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Speaker 1: confusion at the beginning of it. But what really stuck
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Speaker 1: out in my mind to ask she Wilcot, is this
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Speaker 1: little girl were braces on her legs, you know, like
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Speaker 1: in the um Um posters for Cerebral Policy. The poster boy,
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Speaker 1: who has turned out to be a very dear friend
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Speaker 1: of mine over the years has grown up and still
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Speaker 1: advocates for cerebral policy. Remember him, it's that kind of posters, uh,
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Speaker 1: that kind of braces, Ashley. Her braces were in the
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Speaker 1: home and her PJ she wore the night before. And
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Speaker 1: when you and I heard that, along with just Scott Morgan,
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Speaker 1: we were all like, uh uh and oh, the child's
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Speaker 1: gone and what she was wearing is still there, and
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Speaker 1: no other clothes are missing. I mean, you know, as
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Speaker 1: I've told you about Lucy, she got on some kicks.
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Speaker 1: She's cleaned the closet out so much there's hardly anything
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Speaker 1: in there anymore. I know exactly what's in there, and
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Speaker 1: I will know if something is missing much less when
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Speaker 1: you're three, you know exactly what's in there. No other
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Speaker 1: clothes were missing. Switch means she wasn't wearing anything when
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Speaker 1: she left except those pink and white moneies. Ashley. I
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Speaker 1: want to go back to this bobshell discovery that you
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Speaker 1: have made regarding child protective services as I call them
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Speaker 1: de Facts Department Family Children's Services. Do these documents specifically
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Speaker 1: named Delivan Kimry, Yes, absolutely so, I said, boyfriend. For
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Speaker 1: purposes of making it easier for listeners to follow, but
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Speaker 1: it's specifically states. For instance, the ten year old states
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Speaker 1: that he witnessed Mr. Kimry, but his penus in the
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Speaker 1: mouth of the three year old all thrue. It references
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Speaker 1: Mr Kimry specificies. I'm looking at the documents myself right now.
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Speaker 1: Across the top it says state of North Carolina in
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Speaker 1: the matter of and it refers to the title of
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Speaker 1: the case. Uh. It says name and address and it is,
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Speaker 1: in fact there are two four zero five Dawson Cabin Road.
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Speaker 1: It gives notice, it gives names of lawyers. This lawyer
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Speaker 1: is named Mark Rayner, and that's a lawyer for the mom.
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Speaker 1: Then there's another lawyer, John Paul Saba. It keeps going down,
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Speaker 1: just telling you what we're seeing. It explains, It says
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Speaker 1: where the dad lives. It gives a juvenile summings and
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Speaker 1: notice of hearing. So does that mean to Ashley Wilcott
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Speaker 1: that there was a hearing on this because it's given
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Speaker 1: a case number and everything. So what happens, Yes, what
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Speaker 1: happens when children come into the custody of the state.
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Speaker 1: In every state it's a little different, but every state
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Speaker 1: there's going to be a hearing that occurs quickly because
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Speaker 1: the court has got to determine, for instance, in Georgia,
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Speaker 1: is their probable cause? Is there reason that these children
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Speaker 1: would be at risk with their family and actually need
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Speaker 1: to be in state custody, and those hearings happen quickly.
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Speaker 1: You know, this filing is December one, two thousand seventeen.
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Speaker 1: Is when they're filed, thirty four pm in the afternoon
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Speaker 1: in Onslow County. When did she go missing? What day
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Speaker 1: did she go missing? Alexis terres Chuck the either November
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Speaker 1: twenty six or twenty seventh, depending on when what comes in.
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Speaker 1: She's saying that, guys, is we don't know what time
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Speaker 1: of the night she goes missing. The mom says she
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Speaker 1: put her asleep at eleven. The boyfriend says he sees
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Speaker 1: her at twelve. When did she really go missing? It's
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Speaker 1: one of those two days. So this this is filed.
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Speaker 1: Let me understand this after she goes missing, explain that.
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Speaker 1: Ashley Wilcott, guys, these these I'm just beside myself. I'm
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Speaker 1: looking at what as she Wilcott has managed to unearthed,
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Speaker 1: and I'm now on page four and it's exactly as
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Speaker 1: she is saying, Uh, go ahead. What do you make
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Speaker 1: of this being filed app for she goes missing. I'm
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Speaker 1: not concerned about that only in this respect. What happens
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Speaker 1: is the process is so quick, necessarily because the court
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Speaker 1: needs to protect children. So frequently courts are able to
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Speaker 1: give verbal orders based on testimony presented to them or
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Speaker 1: have an emergency order to protect the children, and then
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Speaker 1: often the documents are allowed by law to be filed
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Speaker 1: once they can be prepared within a very short time frame.
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Speaker 1: So in this specific case, I'm not at all surprised
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Speaker 1: those are date stamped later. That doesn't concern me because
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Speaker 1: I think that children were likely with a relative or
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Speaker 1: somewhere safe right before everything got filed. Now, keep in mind,
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Speaker 1: the other piece of this nancy that we've learned is
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Speaker 1: that the children are placed with a relative. They are
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Speaker 1: with the maternal grandmother. So while they remain in the
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Speaker 1: custody of the state, as I understand, they're placed with
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Speaker 1: a relative, which, so long as that relative is appropriate,
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Speaker 1: it's much less traumatic for those children. I'm going back
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Speaker 1: to the paragraph in order. They're about twenty paragraphs of
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Speaker 1: fact allegations. Some of them are just the address and
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Speaker 1: the names, but the one specifically, paragraph fifteen, a witness
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Speaker 1: states he observed the living boyfriend, Earl Kimry, put his
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Speaker 1: genitals in the mouth of Mariah Woods, a three year
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Speaker 1: old child. The witness states that the mother knew Earl
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Speaker 1: Kimry was sexually abusing three year old Mariah, and the
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Speaker 1: mother failed to protect the juveniles from exposure failed to
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Speaker 1: protect Mariah. Correct that failed to protect Mariah from exposure
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Speaker 1: to sex abuse. The next paragraph, as Ashley Wildcott child
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Speaker 1: advocate has told you, says that the mother is aware
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Speaker 1: Camry abuses pot, heroin and meth amphetamine. You know, I
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Speaker 1: gotta ask you something as she will caught. The mother
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Speaker 1: let me stay again for the record, has not been
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Speaker 1: named a person of interest or a suspect in the
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Speaker 1: death of three year old Maria. But Ashley, she needs
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Speaker 1: a lawyer, a defense lawyer. And I'll tell you why.
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Speaker 1: As you already know. When you are in the commission
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Speaker 1: of a felony that being child a felony child abuse
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Speaker 1: or neglect neglect, and a death occurs during the commission
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Speaker 1: of a felony that is felony murder. And for a
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Speaker 1: felony murder, just like premeditated murder, you can get the
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Speaker 1: death penalty. Bam right, And I have no doubt that
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Speaker 1: charges are going to be forthcoming. And I've said from
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Speaker 1: the beginning law enforcement has done a bang up job
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Speaker 1: in this case because they have controlled the investigation so
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Speaker 1: that they can be thorough and deliberate and figure out
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Speaker 1: exactly what happened, what charges can result and will result.
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Speaker 1: So I have no doubt she will face criminal charges.
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Speaker 1: I think they're being throw in their investigation. You know, actually,
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Speaker 1: when the cops do a great job, nobody ever notices
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Speaker 1: when one road cop does something horrible, or the cops
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Speaker 1: in general mess something up. That's all you hear about
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Speaker 1: the headline. But you're right. This child was found twenty
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Speaker 1: five miles away from home in a creek bed. They
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Speaker 1: found her. I've gone over it and over it and
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Speaker 1: over it with her father, Alex, how it could have
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Speaker 1: happened the way it may have happened, Ashley. We also
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Speaker 1: have learned from Alex that someone in the neighborhood observed
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Speaker 1: someone leaving the home around three to four o'clock in
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Speaker 1: the morning carrying something. It's all fitting together. But these documents, Ashley,
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Speaker 1: these documents from Child Protective Services. I'm just sick because
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Speaker 1: the scenario is playing out in my mind. When you
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Speaker 1: don't know a horse, Ashley, look at the track record.
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Speaker 1: If there is evidence that he had molested to a a
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Speaker 1: child before, what do I know about what was happening
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Speaker 1: that night? Allegations the mom knew and did nothing? Was
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Speaker 1: that what happened that night? And then the child ended
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Speaker 1: up being killed? That she was going to tell somebody
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Speaker 1: who knows. Ashley helped me put this, help me put
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Speaker 1: the pieces of the puzzle to other. Look statistically, if
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Speaker 1: you talk about cases in which um a male has
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Speaker 1: been a perpetrator of abuse against a child and it's
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Speaker 1: been substantiated statistically, it is frequently of the time by
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Speaker 1: a boyfriend or a stepfather. So already if you just
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Speaker 1: look at statistics, which can be dangerous depending on how
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Speaker 1: you interpret them. But my point is that happened in
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Speaker 1: this scenario. I do not believe the mother did not
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Speaker 1: know and or should not have known. She should have known,
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Speaker 1: she didn't know, or she should have known this happened.
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Speaker 1: I have no doubt in my mind she is equally
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Speaker 1: as responsible and in my opinion, more responsible than the
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Speaker 1: person who actually did it. Because it is a mother's
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Speaker 1: job to protect her children and stop choosing making poor
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Speaker 1: choices for who's around your children. And in this case,
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Speaker 1: that's exactly what she did. She did not protect an
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Speaker 1: innocent child at all. You know Ashley so often and
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to go to Dr Chloe Carmichael on this.
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Speaker 1: But Ashley, in our practice uh me, as a prosecutor
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Speaker 1: used a child advocate and lawyer, I don't believe I
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Speaker 1: have ever once once and they literally ten thousand plus
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Speaker 1: cases I have handled seen a mother side against the
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Speaker 1: boyfriend or the husband and with the child. Never, not
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Speaker 1: once never. I don't understand it. I mean, I love David,
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Speaker 1: you know I do, uh, but I would totally kill
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Speaker 1: him or anybody else that touched the children. And Ashley,
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Speaker 1: you know I love our babysitters. You've met them all,
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Speaker 1: you know, every person I've ever had be with the children.
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Speaker 1: But I've always asked the children alone, has so and
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Speaker 1: so ever touched your front end? Has so and every
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Speaker 1: touched you're back? And they go, mom, who would want
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Speaker 1: touch my back? And I'm like, well, I don't know,
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Speaker 1: I don't know beside me, I don't know anybody that
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Speaker 1: would judge it. But have they just tell me, just
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Speaker 1: tell me. And you know, I know it sounds crazy
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Speaker 1: to people on the outside, but you have to be vigilant.
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Speaker 1: But there are people, you know, like women, when their
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Speaker 1: husbands are cheating, they ignore all the signs they don't
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Speaker 1: want to know. They ignore the perfume, they ignore the lipstick,
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Speaker 1: they ignore the calls outside in the car, they ignore
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Speaker 1: the to cell phones. Why you know, you just you do.
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Speaker 1: You make up excuses, you rationalize. Could that be possible here, Ashley? Yeah, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: and I do think women rationalize that. But once children
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Speaker 1: are involved, that's what you know, that's a whole different
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Speaker 1: thing than oh, my husband's cheating. Once you have children
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Speaker 1: and you find out that there's any type of activity
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Speaker 1: that puts your children at risk. As a mother, that
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Speaker 1: should come first. But there's an emotional and I'm not
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Speaker 1: the expert in this, Thank goodness, you have one on
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Speaker 1: the phone who is, Because there's just this inability to
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Speaker 1: choose these children over a man, and they continue to
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Speaker 1: make bad choices and choose a bad man over protecting
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Speaker 1: their own children. I don't get it. I don't understand it.
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Speaker 1: I'm here to say it happens a lot. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: mean men no offense. Man. I love men, but like
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Speaker 1: I tell Lucy, she once had a little crush and um,
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Speaker 1: I said, Lucy, don't worry if he doesn't like you back.
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Speaker 1: Men are like busses. Another one will come along in
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Speaker 1: about fifteen minutes. Don't worry and it will be even better.
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Speaker 1: Uh So, I don't understand why a mom would choose
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Speaker 1: a man over or a husband choosing a woman over
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Speaker 1: their children. It's you know that the same for both genders.
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Speaker 1: What we know right now bomb shall Child Protective Service documents.
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Speaker 1: I guess we suspected, but now we know that formal
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Speaker 1: In the last hours, we received a bombshell formal documents
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Speaker 1: from Child Protective Services in North Carolina that alleged is
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Speaker 1: not a conviction, It is not a finding by a judge.
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Speaker 1: Formal documents alleging the live in boyfriend have been sexually
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Speaker 1: molesting baby Maria, who has now been found dead at
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Speaker 1: the bottom of a creek. We knew it was all
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Speaker 1: wrong when Mariah was missing and her little leg braces
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Speaker 1: were still in the home, as were her pajamas she
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Speaker 1: was wearing the night before, as she will caught. For
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Speaker 1: those people that are just joy ending us here at
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Speaker 1: series six in one thirty two, that may have just
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Speaker 1: found us on the dial, please tell me what you
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Speaker 1: have found so, Nancy, what we have found is that
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Speaker 1: there is a witness in the home who has disclosed
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Speaker 1: seeing Mr Camery, who is the boyfriend, putting his panis
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Speaker 1: in Mariah's mouth, and that the mother failed, um um
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Speaker 1: to address this and knew what was happening to. Dr
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Speaker 1: Chloe Carmichael, psychologists, founder of Anxiety tools dot Com, joining
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Speaker 1: Sun of New York. Dr Chloe reminds me so much
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Speaker 1: of the case one of the first ones I had,
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Speaker 1: where a very prominent Atlanta businessman had been abusing He
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Speaker 1: had thirty plus quote natural children. I'd so first. I
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Speaker 1: remember it very well from all different a lot of
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Speaker 1: different women over many many years. And he was then
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Speaker 1: living with his new girlfriend. She had a teen girl,
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Speaker 1: like a five year old and a three year old,
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Speaker 1: and of course he was molesting them. And I went
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Speaker 1: digging and found all of these similar transactions where he
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Speaker 1: had been doing this for years and years, and he
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Speaker 1: was now in his sixties. And I remember looking at
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Speaker 1: that living girlfriend, her team girl had already moved out
21:14
Speaker 1: of the home and was living alone in a housing
21:17
Speaker 1: project rather than live in their fancy home. I wonder why, right,
21:22
Speaker 1: Dr Chloe and the victims in the indictment that I
21:25
Speaker 1: was prosecuting were looked like two little bity angels. One
21:29
Speaker 1: was three and one was five, and he was full
21:32
Speaker 1: on molesting this three and five year old. And the
21:35
Speaker 1: mom knew Dr Chloe. The mom knew she would sit
21:41
Speaker 1: on the defense side of the courtroom every day of trial.
21:46
Speaker 1: That's the trial I got held in content. By the way,
21:48
Speaker 1: that was a big old mass. Every public defender in
21:50
Speaker 1: the courthouse ranto the courtroom with seeing me getting handcuffed. Um.
21:54
Speaker 1: But back to the story, she even took the children
21:58
Speaker 1: on the on the weekend, and when I wasn't with
22:01
Speaker 1: them on the weekend, to the defense office to recant
22:06
Speaker 1: their stories. Dr Chloe, I don't understand it. Why would
22:11
Speaker 1: a mother, in the face of all this evidence side
22:15
Speaker 1: with the boyfriend? Fancy, I hear you loud and clear. Um,
22:19
Speaker 1: you know, it's just I would I would have been
22:21
Speaker 1: getting arrested right there with you in a situation like that. UM,
22:24
Speaker 1: with with the mother in this type of situation. UM,
22:27
Speaker 1: there's a lot of, you know, potential reasons, although I
22:30
Speaker 1: don't believe any of it really ever fully explains the
22:33
Speaker 1: way that a mother could abandon and really act as
22:36
Speaker 1: an accessory, you know, to this terrible abuse of her
22:39
Speaker 1: own children. UM. You know, in many cases like this,
22:42
Speaker 1: the mother was abused herself. UM. It's also possible sometimes
22:46
Speaker 1: that you know, perhaps even do it to our own
22:48
Speaker 1: history of abuse, that the mom can take on almost
22:51
Speaker 1: more of a childlike role, um, you know, to the abuser. UM.
22:55
Speaker 1: There's also times when I believe it or not, the
22:58
Speaker 1: mom gets a little bit of of a sick thrill. Um.
23:01
Speaker 1: You know, and again we're talking about somebody who could herself,
23:04
Speaker 1: you know, be a very sick person. Um. But there
23:07
Speaker 1: there is a certain amount of power that a woman
23:10
Speaker 1: gains when she, uh provides a gateway to a man
23:14
Speaker 1: like this to her children. As if we can all imagine,
23:16
Speaker 1: it's not very many women that would stand by and
23:19
Speaker 1: allow this to happen. So in a very strange and
23:21
Speaker 1: sick way, the mother actually takes on a lot of power.
23:25
Speaker 1: It's also possible, um, you know, from what I understand,
23:28
Speaker 1: that there was a custody battle. Uh, It's also possible
23:31
Speaker 1: that you know, she was afraid that by revealing that
23:33
Speaker 1: this had happened, that she might stand, you know, to
23:36
Speaker 1: lose her children. From what I understand, there were also
23:39
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of you know, drugs, heroine and
23:42
Speaker 1: things like that in the home. It's also possible that
23:45
Speaker 1: she was so focused on her own issues. I can
23:48
Speaker 1: see the drugs clouding her mind if in fact she
23:51
Speaker 1: was using them. We don't know that. But Dr Chloe,
23:54
Speaker 1: to choose keeping custody over protecting your child, and if
23:59
Speaker 1: you want to keep custody and you don't want to
24:01
Speaker 1: lose custody to the father, then kick the boyfriend out.
24:05
Speaker 1: The two choices you're not live with a boyfriend molesting
24:08
Speaker 1: your child or lose your children. The answer is turn
24:12
Speaker 1: your boyfriend into police and kick his sorry rearian out
24:15
Speaker 1: of the house and get a TCO on him to
24:17
Speaker 1: never come back. Yeah. I agree. In fact, it makes
24:20
Speaker 1: it in many ways even more inexcusable because she obviously
24:24
Speaker 1: the father was, you know, standing right there. I don't know,
24:26
Speaker 1: you know why he didn't have any custody, but there
24:29
Speaker 1: was apparently other, you know, viable options if for some
24:32
Speaker 1: reason she felt unable or unwilling to cut off her
24:34
Speaker 1: connection to this man. Joining me is Alexis Dress Chuck
24:38
Speaker 1: writer online dot com. Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator and
24:42
Speaker 1: professor forensics at Jacksonville State University. Dr Chlobe Carmichael, New
24:47
Speaker 1: York psychologist, founder of Anxiety Tools dot com. Troit Slayton,
24:52
Speaker 1: UH veteran defense attorney joining me out of l A
24:55
Speaker 1: and Ashley Willcot child advocate. Okay out to Troy Slaton
25:00
Speaker 1: defense attorney joining me. What we have right here are
25:03
Speaker 1: charging documents with a case file. UH. They have not
25:07
Speaker 1: been proven. These allegations have not been proven. But the
25:10
Speaker 1: witness states who is in a position to know what's
25:14
Speaker 1: going on in the home that this occurs. Troy, there's
25:18
Speaker 1: no allegation of murder at this point, Nancy. We have
25:22
Speaker 1: unlawful disposition of a body, we have larceny, we have
25:28
Speaker 1: moving a body, but we do not have a murder case.
25:32
Speaker 1: So this poor young girl is dead. We don't know
25:35
Speaker 1: who did it. Uh, Troy Alan, could you check his
25:40
Speaker 1: connection because he must not have heard me correctly. We're
25:44
Speaker 1: talking about Child Protective Services documents that we have obtained
25:50
Speaker 1: that alleged through an eyewitness that the living boyfriend, Earl Kimry,
25:55
Speaker 1: was methodically abusing, sexually abusing this three year old little girl,
26:01
Speaker 1: and that the mother knew. That's what the charging documents say.
26:05
Speaker 1: I'm repeating what I see informal documents. I'm not talking
26:09
Speaker 1: about a murder charge. But I do assume you're familiar
26:12
Speaker 1: with the theory of felony murder, are you not? Troy Slayton.
26:16
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely. If you commit uh crime of felony and
26:21
Speaker 1: somebody dies, even if it's not the direct approximate cause
26:26
Speaker 1: of what you did, you're guilty of murder. Well, would
26:28
Speaker 1: you agree with me Troy Slayton, that felony child neglect
26:32
Speaker 1: would constitute an underlying felony for a charge of felony murder,
26:38
Speaker 1: possibly unless it's too attenuated. Just because you commit a
26:43
Speaker 1: felony doesn't mean that that felony was part and parcel
26:47
Speaker 1: of the death. Troy, you just said in your last sentence.
26:52
Speaker 1: You just said the felony does not have to be
26:57
Speaker 1: particularly related to the death. I e. You and I
27:01
Speaker 1: go into rob a bank. I get crazy and I
27:04
Speaker 1: gunned down Alan Duke. You didn't even know I had
27:08
Speaker 1: a gun. Guess what you're in for? Felony murder. You
27:11
Speaker 1: just wanted it's some easy money. You didn't want any bullets. Bam,
27:16
Speaker 1: it's done, it's over. In fact, doesn't mean what I
27:20
Speaker 1: commit the If I hold up a liquor store the
27:23
Speaker 1: day before, and then the next day you go and
27:28
Speaker 1: rob a bank and we happened to live with each other,
27:31
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that I'm guilty of the murder that
27:33
Speaker 1: happened at the bank. Let's hypothesize in this scenario, clearly
27:37
Speaker 1: what we're talking about is child neglect. If these documents
27:42
Speaker 1: are true that the mother knew the child was being
27:45
Speaker 1: neglected and if the mother knew the boyfriend, her boyfriend,
27:51
Speaker 1: her lover was molesting her three year old daughter, and
27:56
Speaker 1: she allowed that situation, that neglect to go on, and
28:00
Speaker 1: during that neglect, the child ends up dead. Are you
28:04
Speaker 1: telling me with a straight face, Troy Slaton, that would
28:07
Speaker 1: not be felony murder in that exact situation, that could
28:12
Speaker 1: potentially make make a case for felony murder. Man, you're slipper.
28:15
Speaker 1: We don't feel feel like a greased pig. Have you
28:18
Speaker 1: ever tried to catch a pig? Troy Slaton? Because my
28:22
Speaker 1: dad and my uncle uncle rabbit. But my dad would
28:26
Speaker 1: get home at night if I'm working on the railroad, Hey,
28:30
Speaker 1: and my uncle my uncle convinced him to start a
28:32
Speaker 1: pig farm, and when they would get home, my dad
28:36
Speaker 1: would have to get out of the car and go
28:38
Speaker 1: chase pigs that got loose. And they're slippery, they're not
28:41
Speaker 1: easy to catch. They're filthy, they smell, and they're typically
28:44
Speaker 1: covered with wet mud. Okay, Troy, not to suggest that
28:48
Speaker 1: you are a pig or bovine in any way, but
28:51
Speaker 1: you're extremely slippery. I had to nail you down. Nail
28:55
Speaker 1: you down on that. I'm talking about a felony murder.
28:59
Speaker 1: And again, nobody, not the mother, not the boyfriend, had
29:03
Speaker 1: been charged with murder. The mom is not a person
29:05
Speaker 1: of interest, She is not a suspect at all. Is
29:09
Speaker 1: it's because we don't know the cause or manner of
29:13
Speaker 1: death at this point. Well, I can tell you this much.
29:16
Speaker 1: She didn't sneak out to Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator,
29:20
Speaker 1: the three year old girl that walked with braces did
29:22
Speaker 1: not walk out completely naked except for her pink and
29:26
Speaker 1: white undy's, without her leg braces, gets on her own
29:30
Speaker 1: own and throw herself at the bottom of a creek. No,
29:34
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, that is uh not possible. And I
29:39
Speaker 1: think that right now we're waiting to find out exactly
29:42
Speaker 1: what her cause of death is, Uh, Nancy, And this
29:45
Speaker 1: is this is a big issue here. Uh she was found,
29:48
Speaker 1: as you stated, at the bottom of the creek. Why
29:50
Speaker 1: would somebody drive that far away to dispose of a
29:55
Speaker 1: body from this little girl's home over twenty plus miles.
30:00
Speaker 1: One of the things that the m E is going
30:01
Speaker 1: to be looking at here along with the FBI, is
30:05
Speaker 1: a dearth of evidence both at the primary scene, which
30:08
Speaker 1: would be the home, and then where the body was found.
30:12
Speaker 1: Um they had called a dive team, Nancy, which implies
30:15
Speaker 1: that this child was at the bottom of a body
30:18
Speaker 1: of water. Wasn't just simply she wasn't just simply floating
30:21
Speaker 1: in in the water. Um, I'm wondering, was she submerged?
30:25
Speaker 1: Was she uh weighted down and placed into this body
30:30
Speaker 1: of water? And how does somebody know about this isolated
30:33
Speaker 1: area where the body was found. One of the things
30:35
Speaker 1: that that I'm really scratching my head over is did
30:39
Speaker 1: the individual that was involved in this, whoever brought about
30:44
Speaker 1: her death? Um, did they take this poor little angel
30:48
Speaker 1: out so far away to do something so horrible to
30:51
Speaker 1: this child that they want to complete in total privacy,
30:54
Speaker 1: and then to do away with evidence. They would take
30:57
Speaker 1: this individual child and submer urch her in a body
31:00
Speaker 1: of evidence, to try to get away from fiber, to
31:03
Speaker 1: try to get away from DNA evidence, all these kinds
31:05
Speaker 1: of things. Uh, the FBI is keeping a tight little this.
31:09
Speaker 1: I don't expect us to hear anything from the FBI. However,
31:13
Speaker 1: I believe that shortly we will get a cause of
31:16
Speaker 1: death from the medical examiner, and Uh that's gonna give
31:20
Speaker 1: us far more information. Hopefully they'll be able to tell
31:23
Speaker 1: us what type of trauma was found on the body.
31:27
Speaker 1: And also, and this is this is one of these
31:29
Speaker 1: things that kind of kind of chills you to your bones.
31:33
Speaker 1: Um was she drowned in that water? In other words,
31:37
Speaker 1: what she held down hold on just got mark. If
31:39
Speaker 1: you look at the search warrant that was used as
31:42
Speaker 1: the basis for arresting the boyfriend for obstruction, it says
31:46
Speaker 1: he took the dead body out of the home. I
31:50
Speaker 1: believe it's what it said. So whatever happened to her
31:55
Speaker 1: happened in the home. Look at the search warrant, Joe
31:57
Speaker 1: Scott and read it and see if you understand the
31:59
Speaker 1: same way I do, because you know, we can both
32:02
Speaker 1: look at a fact scenario and see completely completely different thing.
32:07
Speaker 1: Look at it real quick while I go to Alexis.
32:09
Speaker 1: Alexis Tourez Chuck, investigative reporter for Writer online dot com.
32:13
Speaker 1: What do we know about the temperature the night Maria
32:16
Speaker 1: went missing? So this is winter in the South. It
32:20
Speaker 1: was about forty degrees that night, which is cold. I
32:23
Speaker 1: live in California, so those are different for me. But
32:25
Speaker 1: I grew up in North Carolina, and that is cold
32:27
Speaker 1: at night in the fourties. And in fact, there were
32:30
Speaker 1: pictures the next day of the mom with Mariah's sibling
32:34
Speaker 1: and he was wearing a little winter coat. So this
32:37
Speaker 1: is the this is winter. This is not a warm,
32:40
Speaker 1: balmy summer night at all. So this little girl had
32:42
Speaker 1: only her underwear on, only her little pink and white
32:44
Speaker 1: striped underwear. It was too cold for anybody to be without.
32:48
Speaker 1: Alexis that water and that creek was so cold on
32:53
Speaker 1: that little baby girl. I want you to hear what
32:57
Speaker 1: has just happened. This guy has not been charged with
33:00
Speaker 1: murder to live in boyfriend, but he was very briefly
33:05
Speaker 1: in court and we have the sound listen. We are
33:08
Speaker 1: still investigating, leads, were still doing interviews. There are many
33:13
Speaker 1: other things that need to be um considered, the possibility
33:17
Speaker 1: of future charge as well. You know, we're not going
33:19
Speaker 1: to talk about those things at this point. We have
33:22
Speaker 1: been in constant contact with our District attorney's office and
33:27
Speaker 1: uh he has provided us guidance about where to go,
33:30
Speaker 1: how to go further on. That was Earl Kimry in
33:33
Speaker 1: court and he's heading back to court. We believe that
33:36
Speaker 1: there will be additional charges, possibly additional defendants. That's what
33:40
Speaker 1: we think right now. But as of right now, nobody's
33:44
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33:49
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35:44
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35:49
Speaker 1: things are being considered future charges and he is being
35:53
Speaker 1: guided by the district attorney. Listen. Oh Jardon used this
36:01
Speaker 1: specifically and seeing the unnatural death arseny out writing an
36:08
Speaker 1: interim second for the garden, reading and possession of Fellow.
36:11
Speaker 1: Good for you under seeing all those charges all, and
36:16
Speaker 1: also when I spoke in depth on several occasions to
36:21
Speaker 1: Mariah's dad regarding when investigators have actually told him about
36:25
Speaker 1: how Mariah was killed. This is what he tells me.
36:30
Speaker 1: Have they told you how they think she was killed? Alex, No,
36:35
Speaker 1: not yet. They as soon as they found her body,
36:41
Speaker 1: they rush Greenville, North Carolina. Well, they was gonna perform
36:46
Speaker 1: the alk topsy and I'll find out further information. How when? Why? Why? Howard?
36:54
Speaker 1: When all that information? Alex? Do they believe that Riah
37:00
Speaker 1: was molested? I have not. I do not know that me.
37:05
Speaker 1: They can I have, yes, I think so. I hope pray,
37:12
Speaker 1: not just for the peace of mind, but I think so. Yes.
37:16
Speaker 1: I have not heard that from nobody, because you know,
37:19
Speaker 1: they're now just doing the alcosics. So I don't know, Alex.
37:22
Speaker 1: Was she clothed when she was found? I had no idea.
37:26
Speaker 1: They did not tell me. All they told me was
37:28
Speaker 1: that they found my battle girl. They frowned Mariah about
37:34
Speaker 1: twenty minutes away from where we're at, twenty minutes away
37:41
Speaker 1: from our home. I guess because TROYE. Layton, veteran defense attorney,
37:47
Speaker 1: joining me out of l a take off your defense
37:49
Speaker 1: hat just for a moment, I guess We're all trying
37:51
Speaker 1: to figure out why. And the father was saying that
37:55
Speaker 1: he had he has suspicions that Mariah was molested. He
38:00
Speaker 1: doesn't know because we're we're trying to figure out why
38:04
Speaker 1: would someone do this kill a three year old little girl, Troy.
38:09
Speaker 1: And of course the state doesn't have to prove a motive.
38:12
Speaker 1: But you know, really not just juries, but people in
38:15
Speaker 1: general look for why, they look for the answer Troy.
38:20
Speaker 1: Of course, Nancy, jurors want to know why somebody did
38:24
Speaker 1: something that is so heinous that they couldn't imagine it
38:29
Speaker 1: happening in their own lives. But back to the father here,
38:32
Speaker 1: he had visitation rights, he had the lawful ability to
38:36
Speaker 1: see his daughter, and he hadn't seen her for a year.
38:39
Speaker 1: So he says that the reason why he didn't try
38:43
Speaker 1: and get full custody was because he couldn't afford a lawyer. Well,
38:48
Speaker 1: that just doesn't hold water for me, Nancy, because there
38:51
Speaker 1: are family court facilitators, there are low uh and free
38:57
Speaker 1: legal services that are available to people, and is absolutely free.
39:02
Speaker 1: If he thinks that somebody was harming his daughter, he
39:05
Speaker 1: could have called the authorities immediately and started investigation or
39:09
Speaker 1: child protective services if you didn't think there was an
39:12
Speaker 1: immediate threat. So I just am not buying the story
39:16
Speaker 1: about the father who seems to be just piling on now,
39:21
Speaker 1: Troy Latton has just pointed a finger at the biological
39:25
Speaker 1: father who was nowhere near the home where the child
39:30
Speaker 1: was murdered, was killed and then thrown at the bottom
39:34
Speaker 1: of a creek. In fact, he was the one out
39:36
Speaker 1: looking for her. You know, Alexis Toures, writer online dot
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39:46
Speaker 1: start reality. How defense attorneys no offense? Latton play Look here,
39:52
Speaker 1: not there, don't look at the facts, look over here,
39:54
Speaker 1: don't look at the suspect, look at this, look at this.
39:58
Speaker 1: I don't give a flying fig Why what was going
40:01
Speaker 1: on in the custody battle? I care about who killed
40:04
Speaker 1: this baby? And you can bring up what the father,
40:07
Speaker 1: what he didn't do, you know, Alexis, I don't know
40:09
Speaker 1: if I've told you the story. Do you know when
40:11
Speaker 1: I started law skiol, Alexis, I was planning to be
40:14
Speaker 1: a Shakespearean literature professor. I didn't know a criminal case
40:18
Speaker 1: from the hole in the ground. I had to look
40:21
Speaker 1: up the words plaintiff and defendant. And I remember I
40:26
Speaker 1: was with my sister, she was a professor at Wharton
40:28
Speaker 1: at the time, and um my fiance had just been murdered,
40:33
Speaker 1: and I first time I'd ever been on a plane.
40:36
Speaker 1: I flew to Philadelphia and stayed with her for a while,
40:40
Speaker 1: and I looked up the words plaintiff and defendant. I
40:44
Speaker 1: didn't even know what they were. Now, Alexis, I had
40:48
Speaker 1: a degree in English with a concentration on Shakespeare, and
40:55
Speaker 1: I didn't know anything about the legal system. You want
40:59
Speaker 1: to tell me, Alect this that everybody out there knows
41:04
Speaker 1: what to do when you're in the middle of a
41:06
Speaker 1: bitter custody fight and you're not getting along with your
41:09
Speaker 1: spouse and they're threatening you, when you're having fights and
41:13
Speaker 1: they don't know what to do. And when he he
41:16
Speaker 1: says he has no money, I believe that the life
41:20
Speaker 1: is tough and people are on He could be on
41:22
Speaker 1: really tough times. Lawyers cost a lot of money. And
41:25
Speaker 1: to know that there are free services out there, how
41:27
Speaker 1: is he going to know that where people free lawyers
41:29
Speaker 1: are not. I really do not think this is the
41:33
Speaker 1: time to pile on the dad talk about piling on.
41:38
Speaker 1: I know what it feels like to lose the thing
41:40
Speaker 1: you love the most, and to now say you should have,
41:45
Speaker 1: could have, would have that you screwed up. It's your fault.
41:48
Speaker 1: It's not his fault. He did not do this thing.
41:52
Speaker 1: It's not his fault. And I really really think that's wrong.
42:00
Speaker 1: Delay the blame anywhere other than at the feet of
42:04
Speaker 1: the killer just got Morgan. Please explain what we know
42:09
Speaker 1: about the way this child, this baby was found dead.
42:15
Speaker 1: She can imagine, Nancy. She's over twenty miles away from
42:19
Speaker 1: whatever security she might have perceived, her mother, out in
42:23
Speaker 1: the woods and a body of water cold. We have
42:29
Speaker 1: no idea what the cause of death is, but she died,
42:33
Speaker 1: I can guarantee you in terror and horror, and the
42:39
Speaker 1: warrant itself states that she died of something other than
42:44
Speaker 1: natural causes. I can tell you this three year old.
42:47
Speaker 1: Little girls don't just spontaneously die. And if what is
42:52
Speaker 1: true that has previously been stated about the sexual abuse
42:57
Speaker 1: allegedly a man, this tiny little angel is living in
43:02
Speaker 1: fear of her life, not knowing these people that are
43:06
Speaker 1: in custody of her, that have responsibility over her little life.
43:11
Speaker 1: She lives in fear that some savage is going to
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Speaker 1: come creeping into her bedroom and it's going to assault
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Speaker 1: her in the middle of the night. It's absolutely, absolutely horrible.
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Speaker 1: And we're gonna have a much more detailed picture painted
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Speaker 1: for this very very soon when the Medical examin releases
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Speaker 1: its findings. Dr Chloe Carmichael joining me from New York,
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Speaker 1: founder of Anxiety tools dot Com. You know, Dr Chloe,
43:40
Speaker 1: I have represented as a prosecutor so many grown women
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Speaker 1: rape victims and sex assault victims, and I see what
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Speaker 1: they have gone through and and their life is never
43:53
Speaker 1: the same. Yes, yes, yes they go on. They sold
43:56
Speaker 1: her on, But I always compare it to have being
44:00
Speaker 1: a broken arm that you don't get set. You learn
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Speaker 1: to flip a pancake. Like my mom. She's riddle with
44:07
Speaker 1: Arthur writ As, she's got all sorts of elments. But
44:09
Speaker 1: she was a classic trained classical pianist and play the
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Speaker 1: cello in the symphony. And I watch her play the piano.
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Speaker 1: She can't move her shoulder, but she still can play
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Speaker 1: a little bit. These women go on, but it's never
44:26
Speaker 1: the same. Can you imagine what it's like for a
44:31
Speaker 1: three year old child to be molested? Just let your
44:36
Speaker 1: mind go there. See, that's the only way I could
44:38
Speaker 1: get through a lot of my cases is don't let
44:40
Speaker 1: my mind go to that moment. But let your mind
44:43
Speaker 1: go to the moment where a three year old little
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Speaker 1: girl is in bed, the mom is in the next room,
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Speaker 1: and the live in comes in and molest you. Now,
44:57
Speaker 1: I know what it does to ladies, grand ladies. I've
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Speaker 1: dealt with so many childless station victims. I don't even
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Speaker 1: know how many I've represented. But they can't verbalize the
45:09
Speaker 1: way adults can. Can you imagine that? Dr Chloe Nancy? No,
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Speaker 1: I mean, it is, it's unimaginable. It's it's really beyond
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Speaker 1: comprehension because it is it's just outside the bounds of
45:23
Speaker 1: what we consider normal behavior for for a reason. So
45:28
Speaker 1: what the three year old, what she went through, of course,
45:31
Speaker 1: in and of itself is a is a terrible trauma.
45:34
Speaker 1: But then as well, the fact that it appears that
45:37
Speaker 1: it had been going on, Um, I'm guessing it wasn't
45:40
Speaker 1: the first time, you know that there was the police
45:42
Speaker 1: report that a witnessed in the home had had seen
45:46
Speaker 1: the live and put his penis in her mouth. If
45:48
Speaker 1: he was doing that in eyesight of other people, that
45:52
Speaker 1: suggests that this probably had been going on, you know,
45:55
Speaker 1: for for some time. And so for the little girl
45:58
Speaker 1: to not only experience the trauma, but to have a
46:01
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46:06
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46:13
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46:16
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46:19
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46:21
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46:28
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46:31
Speaker 1: I agree with Dr Chloe. I know that my mother,
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Speaker 1: when I was a child exactly this age. Joe Scott,
46:37
Speaker 1: you've heard me tell the story before three, risked her
46:41
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46:46
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49:04
Speaker 1: story and protect other children. Now we're talking about the
49:09
Speaker 1: mom and the live in again. Mom is not a suspect.
49:14
Speaker 1: Mom has not been named a person of interest. No
49:16
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49:21
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49:28
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49:33
Speaker 1: Please bring her back and I love her. I'll do
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49:44
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49:58
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50:13
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50:16
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50:23
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50:26
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