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Patriots Catch-22 5/20: 2026 Schedule Breakdown, OTA Preview, Latest Buzz · Patriots Catch-22

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  Speaker 1: This is the Patriots Catch twenty two podcasts with Evan
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  Speaker 1: Here is Evan Lazar and Alex Bars.
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  Speaker 2: There's certain nights and days that it's okay to let
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  Speaker 2: the other sports have their day.
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  Speaker 1: My bigger issue is part of what's great about the
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: NFL is the rarity of it.
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  Speaker 3: That's always been what's great.
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  Speaker 1: It shouldn't be on every day of the week. I
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  Speaker 1: get they want to be on every day of the week,
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  Speaker 1: but you're you're getting rid of and maybe the NFL
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  Speaker 1: is too big to fail. Maybe I don't want them.
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  Speaker 2: To test it. Yeah, and you will get.
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  Speaker 1: Look, they're never gonna be baseball playing one hundred and
• 0:43
  Speaker 1: sixty two games. But one of baseball's biggest problems is
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  Speaker 1: there's no urgency in watching baseball. And now you're doubling
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  Speaker 1: up on the primetime games. The special thing about the
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  Speaker 1: prime it's prime time. It's everybody, it's all eyes on you.
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  Speaker 1: That's a cool thing.
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  Speaker 2: Catch twenty two, Well, you're gonna be able to watch
• 1:03
  Speaker 2: the Patriots in prime time five times, right, at least
• 1:07
  Speaker 2: five times at least next season. We just keep rolling
• 1:12
  Speaker 2: along here this off season. This is the this what's
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: the second time that the Patriots have gone to the
• 1:19
  Speaker 2: Super Bowl since we've been covering the team, but this
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  Speaker 2: is the first time that I've done it as in
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  Speaker 2: my current role. And plus like just I'm older now, wiser,
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  Speaker 2: hopefully a little bit uh And it just is interesting that,
• 1:35
  Speaker 2: like when you go to the Super Bowl and you
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  Speaker 2: cover the team all the way through the Super Bowl,
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: the off season just goes like this, Like the condensity
• 1:42
  Speaker 2: of the off season is like I feel like we
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: haven't really stopped because everything, you know, the combine was
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  Speaker 2: like a couple of weeks after the super Bowl, Free
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  Speaker 2: agencies a couple of weeks after that. The Draft is
• 1:53
  Speaker 2: a couple weeks after that. Now the NFL has turned
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  Speaker 2: the schedule release into a spectacle. So then that's a
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  Speaker 2: couple of weeks after that, and then next week on Wednesday,
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: we're going to be out there for the first OTA
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  Speaker 2: practice and we're going to do the whole spring circuit
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  Speaker 2: all the way through June with it mini camp June
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  Speaker 2: fifteenth through the seventeenth. So I like it, Like I'm
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  Speaker 2: not I get antsy, Like I'm not the type of
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  Speaker 2: person that wants nothing to do. I don't want to
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  Speaker 2: be sitting around doing nothing all the time. I don't
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  Speaker 2: like that. I want to be moving. I want things
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  Speaker 2: to do. I want things to cover. That's why we
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  Speaker 2: do this and not make more money in a nine
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  Speaker 2: to five sitting in a cubicle somewhere. So like, I
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  Speaker 2: just feel like it's it's a very different vibe like
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  Speaker 2: the last two off seasons before this. Yeah, at this
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  Speaker 2: point of the off season, I was like, oh my god,
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  Speaker 2: how much more time do we have until training camp?
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  Speaker 2: Like we still aren't there yet. Now it's like boom boom,
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  Speaker 2: boom boom, right after another, we have another thing to
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  Speaker 2: talk about and digest today. With the schedule, it's crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, well it's not just us, Like it's definitely not
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  Speaker 1: a media thing. Bill Belichick after the Super Bowl and
• 2:54
  Speaker 1: was it twenty eighteen when he said, yes, twenty eight
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  Speaker 1: I mean he said it a million times.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I want to say it.
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  Speaker 1: We're what five six weeks behind everybody else the off
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  Speaker 1: season And I said it afterwards, the off season is
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  Speaker 1: going to be a sprint, not a marathon.
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  Speaker 3: Here we are you know, you're right.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's it's been go go go. It's settled down
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  Speaker 1: a little bit. I got to play some golf.
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  Speaker 3: Over the weekend.
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  Speaker 2: That was congratulations. Thank you very much, very appreciate, very
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  Speaker 2: happy for you. Thank you. You would enjoy it, No,
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  Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, it is.
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  Speaker 1: It is moving pretty quickly.
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  Speaker 4: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Like I said, you know, part of the the one
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  Speaker 2: of the best parts of doing this job is that
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  Speaker 2: it's not monotonous, like things are change all the time.
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  Speaker 2: It's not a nine to five Monday through Friday. You're
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  Speaker 2: not in one location all the time, either working from
• 3:42
  Speaker 2: home or working in a cubicle somewhere, like you're always
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  Speaker 2: on the move. You're traveling, you're doing different things. That's
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  Speaker 2: the to me, that's the most fun part of the job.
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  Speaker 2: Like from a logistical standpoint, obviously the most fun part
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  Speaker 2: of the job is the games and getting to go
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  Speaker 2: to all the games, but it's in terms of actually
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  Speaker 2: the day in and day out of it. So we're
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  Speaker 2: going to talk about the schedule. Obviously, it is our
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  Speaker 2: first show since the Patriots schedule officially came out, so
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  Speaker 2: we already knew the opponents. Now we know the opponent,
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  Speaker 2: the order of the opponents, what days the games will
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  Speaker 2: be on, what times the game will be on. I
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  Speaker 2: want to break out like the things that got brought
• 4:19
  Speaker 2: up at this time of year Alex, that are we
• 4:22
  Speaker 2: already kind of knew, but now we just have an
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  Speaker 2: excuse to talk about him more. And then the things
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  Speaker 2: that we actually learned last Thursday when the schedule was released,
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  Speaker 2: because I think those are two separate buckets. And then
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  Speaker 2: we also want to do some tiers about which games
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  Speaker 2: fit into which tiers. So I have four tiers. I
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  Speaker 2: believe I broke it up to must wins or like
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  Speaker 2: layup games, games they should win, coin flip games, and
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  Speaker 2: then the toughies, like the ones that are gonna be
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  Speaker 2: tough games. So we're gonna do those two things, and
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  Speaker 2: then of course we'll take your calls, your emails, we'll
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  Speaker 2: talk some aj Brown, some OTA's probably previewed to next week.
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  Speaker 2: But let's start with the schedule. So by now, I'm
• 5:02
  Speaker 2: sure everybody has actually seen the schedule, so I don't
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  Speaker 2: think we need to go through the entire schedule game
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  Speaker 2: by game, but a couple of the things that we
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  Speaker 2: sticking to, the things that we actually learned last week,
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  Speaker 2: not the things that we knew already, but the things
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  Speaker 2: we actually learned. Like I said off the top of
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  Speaker 2: the show, they got five primetimers, right, five primetime games
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  Speaker 2: if you include the opener, So yeah, the opener in Seattle,
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  Speaker 2: Thursday night football against the Bears, Sunday night football against
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  Speaker 2: the Chargers, Thursday night football against the Vikings, Monday night
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  Speaker 2: football against the Chiefs. So as anticipated, I would say,
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  Speaker 2: a bump in scheduled primetime games. I do find it
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  Speaker 2: a bit quirky that they're playing one Wednesday and two Thursdays, right,
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  Speaker 2: And I know the Wednesday one is the first game
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  Speaker 2: of the year, so it's a little bit different. But
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  Speaker 2: two Thursday night games in the middle of the season. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: not ideal.
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  Speaker 1: No, I mean, the league throughout a lot of conventional
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  Speaker 1: scheduling this year and things that I honestly just assumed
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  Speaker 1: were rules. I guess I never really knew, like, just
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  Speaker 1: five times without a prime five teams without a primetime
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  Speaker 1: game this year.
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  Speaker 3: That's where we used to have every team played on
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  Speaker 3: Thursday night.
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  Speaker 1: So it kind of just netted out. But yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: four or five primetime games on the road, yeah, two
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  Speaker 1: so they are. They did not get any favors with
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  Speaker 1: what are among their hardest games outside of Buffalo. Cannot
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  Speaker 1: believe the Buffalo games are not in primetime. Yeah, I'm
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  Speaker 1: gonna choose to blame the Bills for that.
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  Speaker 2: I'm assuming that I don't know the excuse for the
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  Speaker 2: first one in Week four. The second one. I'm assuming CBS.
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  Speaker 1: Protected four twenty five games in a week, right, So
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  Speaker 1: that's gonna be jim more reason. I mean at Buffalo
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  Speaker 1: feels that, you know, new Stadium, Patriots first trip there.
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  Speaker 1: That should have been the Sunday night football opener. But yeah,
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  Speaker 1: they got They got no favors with a lot of
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  Speaker 1: their hardest games.
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  Speaker 2: So we already knew about the international game on last
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday shows, so we don't have to talk too much
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  Speaker 2: about that. But if you're into the whole standalone island window,
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  Speaker 2: you know you are the only show in town. They
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  Speaker 2: technically have six of those because they have the international
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  Speaker 2: game too, on top of the five prime time. The
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  Speaker 2: one nice thing about the couple of nice things about
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  Speaker 2: the schedule the week eleven bye they have a little
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  Speaker 2: bit and earlier by this week this year was two
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  Speaker 2: years in a row. Is week fourteen, by right, the
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  Speaker 2: latest week possible two years in a row. So Week
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  Speaker 2: eleven sandwiched right in between the Germany game and Munich
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  Speaker 2: against the Lions and the Chargers game in the La trip,
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  Speaker 2: I would just say, you know, just putting all these
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  Speaker 2: things together, the Thursday night games and the primetime games
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  Speaker 2: on the road are tough. Like those are long nights,
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  Speaker 2: long days. Like they play the game, they usually have
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  Speaker 2: about an hour after the game to shower up and
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  Speaker 2: get dressed and get changed and get on the bus
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  Speaker 2: and then we get the bus and then you get
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  Speaker 2: the plane and then we come back. So those are
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  Speaker 2: the grind, you know. Road primetime games are not easy.
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  Speaker 2: Road primetime games on short weeks are especially not easy
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  Speaker 2: international travel. The Chargers game in the Seahawks game, I
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  Speaker 2: would assume the team is probably gonna leave a little
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  Speaker 2: bit earlier for those games, so it's going to be
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  Speaker 2: a lot. But a Week eleven buy is a little
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  Speaker 2: bit better than that Week fourteen bye they've had the
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  Speaker 2: last couple of years. They also have zero games against
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  Speaker 2: opponents coming off a bye week, so their net rest differential,
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  Speaker 2: which I know is a big fancy thing this time
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  Speaker 2: of year, they have the fifth best net rest days,
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  Speaker 2: so they are in the plus in terms of that.
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  Speaker 2: Part of that is because you open the season on
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  Speaker 2: Wednesday and then don't play again till the following Sunday.
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  Speaker 2: You have two Thursday night ers, so you have long
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  Speaker 2: weeks after that. So they ended up, you know, coming
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  Speaker 2: out on the positive end of that, so better bye week,
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  Speaker 2: some rest you know days built in there that other
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  Speaker 2: teams don't necessarily have, but a full gamut of primetime games,
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  Speaker 2: and then we get into sort of the minutia of
• 8:52
  Speaker 2: the schedule that we already knew, but we get to
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  Speaker 2: talk about more now, right, which is how much harder
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  Speaker 2: the schedule is this year compare it to last year.
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  Speaker 2: I still think that this is a schedule. You know,
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  Speaker 2: Warren Sharp's numbers have it at the twelfth easiest schedule
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  Speaker 2: in the NFL. I don't go by last year's win percentage.
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  Speaker 2: I think that that's a bad way to do it,
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  Speaker 2: because this league, more than maybe any other sports league,
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  Speaker 2: swings so much year to year of how teams perform.
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  Speaker 2: That like, I don't really care how any of the teams,
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  Speaker 2: including the Patriots, played last year. So the twelve easiest
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  Speaker 2: schedule in terms of what Warren Sharp computes it, you know,
• 9:32
  Speaker 2: average wins for their opponents. I think the big one though,
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  Speaker 2: is that right now, and granted again this is forecasting
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: or projecting, but right now, they're projected to play ten
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  Speaker 2: teams with that will have a five hundred or better record,
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  Speaker 2: So a winning record nowadays, because you can't be five
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  Speaker 2: hundred ten teams. Last year they only played three of
• 9:55
  Speaker 2: those games and two of them are Buffalo, right right,
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  Speaker 2: So like that to me is the biggest different its
• 10:00
  Speaker 2: is that it's not necessarily that I look at this
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  Speaker 2: schedule and say they can't win certain games. I think
• 10:06
  Speaker 2: they are all winnable to an extent, but this is
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  Speaker 2: a much harder schedule in terms of week in and
• 10:14
  Speaker 2: week out. They're going to be challenged in a lot
• 10:16
  Speaker 2: of these games. So from going from three to ten
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: is a big jump up. And you know, we'll get
• 10:21
  Speaker 2: into sort of the next exercise year with the layups
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  Speaker 2: and the coin flips and all that kind of stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But just on the surface, I just think that that
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  Speaker 2: needs to be noted. Ten games against winning sched teams
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  Speaker 2: with the projected winning record and twenty seven thousand miles
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  Speaker 2: of travel. Yeah, that if they take a step back
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  Speaker 2: this year. I think it's as much about all that
• 10:44
  Speaker 2: kind of stuff as it is the team actually being
• 10:47
  Speaker 2: worse on the field. You know, maybe they are only
• 10:50
  Speaker 2: a nine or ten win team instead of a fourteen
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  Speaker 2: win team because of the way that the schedule broke
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  Speaker 2: for him this time.
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  Speaker 1: Well, this goes back to something we talked about last
• 10:58
  Speaker 1: year for me and when you talk about again the
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: number and I think the schedule ends up harder because
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: of some of the days that it it because the
• 11:09
  Speaker 1: way it's structured, with like primetime games and stuff right,
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  Speaker 1: and the buy and all of that, I think makes
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  Speaker 1: it a little more tricky. This is where we go
• 11:17
  Speaker 1: back to something you talked about last year with Mike
• 11:19
  Speaker 1: Rabel the program. How strong is your program they have?
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  Speaker 1: And this is where again knowing the opponents, but the
• 11:27
  Speaker 1: schedule coming out kind of can change how you view it.
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  Speaker 1: They play the Wednesday opener, they then have five Sunday
• 11:34
  Speaker 1: one o'clock games, and they're relatively easy games, easier it's
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  Speaker 1: the easier part of the schedule Steelers, Jaguars, Bills, Raiders, Jets,
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  Speaker 1: So you're gonna have a chance there to build a
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  Speaker 1: little bit of a routine, build a little momentum, build
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  Speaker 1: a little bit of a rhythm. After that Week six
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  Speaker 1: game against the Jets, that's on October eighteenth, they are
• 11:56
  Speaker 1: not scheduled to play another Sunday one pm game until
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  Speaker 1: December twenty seventh. Yeah, so that's ten weeks. On top
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  Speaker 1: of that, not only do they not have a Sunday
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  Speaker 1: one pm game within that stretch, they only play at
• 12:13
  Speaker 1: the same date and time back to back weeks once
• 12:17
  Speaker 1: it's Week eight at Miami, Week nine versus the Packers.
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  Speaker 1: Both of those are Sunday four twenty five games. I'm
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: a big proponent that the NFL has started to kind
• 12:25
  Speaker 1: of kill the four o'clock window, and I hate that,
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: and they should put more games there, even if they're
• 12:29
  Speaker 1: not West Coast home teams. That being said, I don't
• 12:31
  Speaker 1: know why Patriots Dolphins is in that, but it is.
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  Speaker 1: But the point being those first five really four weeks,
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: weeks three to six, because you you're not gonna have
• 12:42
  Speaker 1: your normal routine going into that Steelers game, You're coming
• 12:44
  Speaker 1: off a Wednesday game. It is going to be so
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: important for them to find their rhythm, find their routine,
• 12:49
  Speaker 1: build them because there is no routine Once that ends,
• 12:52
  Speaker 1: that's it. It's out the door, and that's where you
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: lean on to go back to what we talked about
• 12:57
  Speaker 1: so much when Mike Gravel was hired the program right knowing,
• 13:01
  Speaker 1: here's how we go about recovery, here's how we go
• 13:04
  Speaker 1: about training, Here's how we go about practice, here's how
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: we go about game planning. Here's how we go about
• 13:07
  Speaker 1: this and that. Because it's not gonna be you're not gonna.
• 13:09
  Speaker 3: Be able to do all right.
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  Speaker 1: Monday we're gonna, you know, do recap and recovery. Tuesday's
• 13:13
  Speaker 1: a full recovery day, coaches and game plan. Wednesday were
• 13:16
  Speaker 1: gonna come in, get most of it installed. Thursday is
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  Speaker 1: gonna be this, Friday's gonna be.
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  Speaker 3: No, there is none of that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you go Thursday night, Sunday afternoon, Sunday afternoon, gotta
• 13:27
  Speaker 1: go to Germany Sunday morning, buy, come back Sunday night.
• 13:31
  Speaker 1: And by the way, Detroit, Munich to La even with
• 13:34
  Speaker 1: a buy in the middle, is not an easy trip.
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  Speaker 1: You go Sunday night, Sunday afternoon, Thursday night, Monday night
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  Speaker 1: to Sunday. There's very little chance if any, for routine
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  Speaker 1: in there. So that's where you're leaning on Vrabel, You're
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: leaning on some of these veterans.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know why my voice is going right now.
• 13:50
  Speaker 3: I haven't talked that much today.
• 13:52
  Speaker 1: That's where you're leaning on them to try to kind
• 13:54
  Speaker 1: of build whatever you built last year, continue that momentum,
• 13:57
  Speaker 1: because they're gonna play It's the Jets one right, getting readers,
• 14:00
  Speaker 1: Jets back back Jets. They're gonna play that Jets game
• 14:02
  Speaker 1: week six, Sunday, one o'clock. We are going to blink
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: and it is going to be Christmas, and so just
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: be having a structure and a culture and a program
• 14:13
  Speaker 1: and to fall back on. It's it's a real stress
• 14:15
  Speaker 1: test to that and we're going to see how it
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: comes out on the other side. Usually I'm the one
• 14:19
  Speaker 1: that loses losing my voice all the time I have
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: my voice is I don't know what constantly losing it pitches.
• 14:25
  Speaker 2: It just you know, what can you do?
• 14:28
  Speaker 5: Can you get You're just so excited of it, and
• 14:30
  Speaker 5: I understand.
• 14:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, can you Well, I'm always excited talking about
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: the program part of it.
• 14:35
  Speaker 2: You guy your pants on.
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: That's that's why coach, not whoopsie, do we look at
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  Speaker 1: the play?
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  Speaker 2: But but what you know, my favorite game on the
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: schedule is what Thursday night in Chicago because it's just
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: my like, we'll get it's just perfect. I mean it
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: is it's our super Bowl. It's Ben Johnson, it is
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: our super Bowl.
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  Speaker 1: We'll get to that.
• 14:54
  Speaker 2: Our philosophies are going to be going against each other
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: on the on Thursday night. I know that is a bummer.
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Can you get allergies as an adult? Like, I've never
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: had allergies my whole life. It's never been an issue
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: for me. And this year I'm feeling a little scratch here.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, just like take like a zais al
• 15:12
  Speaker 2: or something. Yeah, I say, like at our age, Like
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: you know, when I was younger, I had really bad
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: allergies and I'd have to take like prescription like flow
• 15:20
  Speaker 2: NAIs and stuff like that. Now flown is over the
• 15:22
  Speaker 2: counter actually, but it's not the same. Sh It's not
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: as good, man.
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  Speaker 3: It's never even been remotely an issue for me.
• 15:28
  Speaker 2: It's not as good. It's not the same because they
• 15:31
  Speaker 2: they lowered it a little bit the potency to make
• 15:35
  Speaker 2: it over the counter.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying I never had not.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Like the same. It doesn't hit the same anymore, never.
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: Even really a sniffle because of Paullen. It's never been
• 15:43
  Speaker 1: an issue for me.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: So I've always had.
• 15:46
  Speaker 3: This growing up.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: But I thought you really bad allergies.
• 15:51
  Speaker 6: No.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: I always had really bad allergies, really bad asthma, but
• 15:56
  Speaker 2: especially this time of year. But now, yeah, I just
• 15:59
  Speaker 2: take a as aisol or Clarendon or something like that
• 16:02
  Speaker 2: once a day this time of year. You're fine, So
• 16:05
  Speaker 2: go go. It's expensive though, that that part stinks.
• 16:08
  Speaker 1: Just tough it out.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: It's like back to the schedule. I think that, uh,
• 16:13
  Speaker 2: those are my That is my biggest concern is what
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: you just outlined. I'm not I know a lot of
• 16:19
  Speaker 2: people are bringing up the traveling in the twenty seven
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: thousand miles. I gotta tell you, I'm not as concerned
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: about that. The way that they travel now, this ain't
• 16:29
  Speaker 2: like you're not flying coach, right. The bigger thing for me,
• 16:33
  Speaker 2: I'm telling you, though, they they're they're their staff like
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: they're you know, football support staff, the strength and conditioning,
• 16:43
  Speaker 2: the the medical side, all of it. Like they they
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: got the they get these players ready and rested and
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: comfortable on those planes. Trust me, Like it's not you
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: You're not flying, uh, you know, like you would in
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: a commercial airline like you and I. So I'm not
• 17:00
  Speaker 2: really as concerned about the travel aspect of it.
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: When it comes to travel.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: The thing I look at traveling on a short week
• 17:08
  Speaker 1: is tough because you lose a day.
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: Yes, here's the travel, it's.
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: The routine of it, Like the routines getting thrown off
• 17:16
  Speaker 2: of kicking offs are at different time different days.
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: No, just when you talk about like things like that,
• 17:21
  Speaker 1: the other one time zones and again it's the Detroit
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I know they have the buye.
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: But Detroit back la is that's a lot.
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: That's the biggest thing.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: You know, like by the bye kind of washes it out.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: It helps. But if you want to talk about where's
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: the biggest concern for me about travel on this schedule,
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: it's not the total number of miles. It's that they
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: got a road Thursday night game, which is never ideal.
• 17:41
  Speaker 1: I know they're home, went to they got a road
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Thursday night game, which is never ideal. And they're crossing
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: like six times is it six time zones in a
• 17:48
  Speaker 1: span of two weeks. I don't know what time zone
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Munich is in.
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: I don't know either, but I would say that the
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: big Old Germany one time zone. The biggest thing is
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: the is the routine element of it that I would
• 17:58
  Speaker 2: be worried about different days, different time zones, different continents,
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: like all these different things that change.
• 18:05
  Speaker 3: Right in a span of three weeks.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: If I counted this correctly, according to daytontime dot com,
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: they will be in eight time zones.
• 18:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so that element of it is tough. That that's
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: a and when the schedule came out, I think a
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: lot of people pointed to the first four games of
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: the season looking, you know, like they could be pretty
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: tough opening in Seattle, Pittsburgh, Jacksonville, Buffalo seven out of
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: eleven of their first games on the road. Was another
• 18:31
  Speaker 2: big set stat that people kept throwing out to me
• 18:34
  Speaker 2: when I saw the schedule, because I'm.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: Thinking of it from this angle more than anything else.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: It was the middle of the schedule.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: It was from that Thursday night in Chicago against the
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: Bears to the Monday night game in Kansas City, where
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: it's different times, different time zones, different countries, right like
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: or just you're just all over the map, primetime games,
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: Thursday night games, Monday night games. That can be you
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: know this isn't practice Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, travel, Saturday, game Sunday.
• 19:05
  Speaker 2: This is a whole, very little of that different animal,
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: and that can be difficult. Let's play the game, let's
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: play the let's do our tears. So you did your tears.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: Let's hear.
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: No, it's your tears, and we can't steal the bit,
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: Like we don't want to completely steal the bit.
• 19:21
  Speaker 3: I mean, I told, I told that. So this happened.
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: Like I was working on this thing and I need
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: a headline. I couldn't come up with the headline. And
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: Matt Tolf and Ty Anderson are both better at that
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: to me, So I texted them and Dolff just text
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: me back, you did mass tears. I was like, whoops,
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: didn't mean to do that.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, so my my buckets are maybe so slightly different
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: than yours were, but we can kind of make it
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: to explain the excise.
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: Basically, the idea Hawd was everybody does the record prediction, right,
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: you go to win loss, win loss, and I'd already
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: done that. And to your point earlier, like we need
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: stuff talk about this time of year, So it's like,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: what's another way to look at those? So take a
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: step out instead of like directly defining every game. Because
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: so just for instance, I I had them at eleven
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: and six when I was going through it, when I
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: did that exercise, you can check that out in ninety
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: eight five sports ub dot com. But there's like, you know,
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: then it goes to, Okay, well are they closer to
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: twelve and five or closer to ten and seven? And
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: which games are the coin flips and which games are
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: most likely to change.
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: So I decided to characterize it that way. So I
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: did five categories.
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: Number one should be a win, no excuses, there's just
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: you If they lose one of these games, something went
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: horribly wrong, nothing short of that. Then I did probably
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: a win, and I have four games in there, probably
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: a win, but weirder things have happened, which is I'm
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: expecting them to win. They should be favored, but there's
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: maybe one or two variables that are like, Okay, there's
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: there's gonna be something to deal with. They should still win, yeah,
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: but there's a little something to deal with that that
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: is going to require some extra attention. The four games
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: there coin flip. I had three games. That's pretty self explanatory.
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: I could see those games going either way, maybe slight
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: edge one or the other. But I really feel like
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: those are the toss ups. Then I did probably loss
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: but games that can be stolen. So this is maybe
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: a tough spot, you know, history the matchup something like that,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: like they'll they might be the underdog and they could
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: steal it. It should be close, maybe within a field goal,
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: but it's gonna be a you know, slightly tougher game.
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: I had three games in that court category, and then
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: uphill battle. I had three games. These are the ones
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: that they're gonna be underdogs in. They're gonna like it's
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: an uphill battle. This is one that is gonna be
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: really tough. These are the toughest games on their schedule.
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: I just wanted to set them apart from the games
• 21:30
  Speaker 1: that can be stolen because this is really like it's
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: like a wow moment they come away from that could
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: be a statement win.
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I just made your thing more efficient by
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: by doing four buckets. So I had must win slash
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: layups like these are the one. These are the freebies.
• 21:47
  Speaker 2: These are the cupcakes. As Dan Shaughnessy would say, right like,
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: this is tomato tomato cans, whatever phrase he uses. Uh,
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: these are the layups, and I had three teams, you know,
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: five games in the the should be wins. So not
• 22:02
  Speaker 2: quite tomato cans. But if you come and you play
• 22:07
  Speaker 2: a professional game, and you put your best foot forward
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: and you take care of business as a good football team,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: these are the games you should win, right. Coin flips
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: this is my biggest group here. I had five coin
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: flip games when I went through this, and then I
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: just had the tough ones, like the ones that if
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: they win, like your point, really good win statement kind
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: of win, you know, season defining kind of win. So
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: I think we're probably on the same page with the
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: tomato cans or the cupcakes or the layups or whatever
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: you want to call them. My only real take on
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: it are than the games, which is the two games
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: against the doll the Dolphins and Jets, so those are
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: four games, right, and then the game against the Raiders.
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Those five games to me being layups, like those are
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: must win games because if you're gonna really inflate your record,
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: you have to beat up on these bad teams just
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: like they did last year. But if you win all
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: five of these games, you really only have to go
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: five hundred. The rest of the way to be a
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: playoff team, right, you know, that's five games you play seventeen,
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: So if you go six and six the rest of
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: the way, you just won eleven games, right Like, you're
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: gonna be in the playoffs with eleven wins. You may
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: not win the division, but you're gonna be in the playoffs.
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: I kind of have a breakdown like that too.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: I was gonna do it after, but my idea is,
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: you win all four of the games that you should
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: win five.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Well, no, in mind, Oh you have a game you
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: don't you think that they could lose to either the
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: Jets or the Dolphins the race.
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: Well, well we'll get to that. Okay, we'll go through.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: You win all four of the games that you should win.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: You win at least three of the four probably should win,
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: but weirder things have happened. You get one slip up
• 23:40
  Speaker 1: over the course of the season, basically, so that puts
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: you at seven. I have three coin flips. If you
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: can win two of those, you're at nine. And then
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: in my two between my two hard game categories, I
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: have six. You win one of those five tough games,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: so all the ones you should win three to four,
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: you probably should. Two coin flips in a hard game
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: gets you to ten and seven, you're probably a playoff team.
• 24:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's a baseline.
• 24:02
  Speaker 2: So Jets times two, yeah, Dolphins times two Raiders. I
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: have all five of those games in the layup cupcake
• 24:10
  Speaker 2: Tomato Can Division.
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: So I had the at Dolphins in the probably a
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: win category just because of their history in Miami. So
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: even last year, remember that game was like close and weird.
• 24:24
  Speaker 2: It was close and weird, but it was before the
• 24:26
  Speaker 2: wheels came off in Miami. It was early in the season.
• 24:29
  Speaker 2: It was hot as hell down there. Tua was still healthy,
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: Mike McDaniel wasn't fired yet or on the way out.
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: Their whole season had to come apart yet. So at
• 24:42
  Speaker 2: that point, Miami was still a team that I think
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: people thought could It wasn't a contender, but could maybe
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: be a little frisky, right, And then the wheels really
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: came off the team. And what we know they're thinking
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: now of the Dolphins wasn't what they were in Week
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: two when the Patriots played them last year. I just
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: look at both the Jets and the doll and less
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: so with the Raiders, Like I think the Raiders actually
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: to me are better on paper than the Jets and Dolphins.
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: Right now when you think of Mendoza basically, and I.
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: Think Mendoz is much better than what the Raider, the
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: Dolphins and Jets are thrown out there at quarterback. But
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: that being said that I have a hard time excusing
• 25:16
  Speaker 2: them losing to teams that are actively tanking. Those teams
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: are actively trying to lose, like they don't want to win.
• 25:22
  Speaker 1: They were years where they were actively trying to tank.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: In the Patriot albeit under different coaches, the Patriots still
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: struggled in It's the again the way I categorize that,
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: I'll read you the exact description that I wrote. Probably
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: a win, but weirder things have happened the games where
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: the Patriots should be fairly favored, but there's one or
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: two variables that have a chance to trip them up.
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: The at Miami thing historically has been that. That is
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: why I feel like, by my own definition, I have
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: to put them there. It's the easiest, and I for
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: what it's worth, if it.
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: Was in September, I would agree, because it's gonna.
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: Be no see, I think it's harder in November because
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: it's getting cold here.
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: And then No, I don't think so at all, because
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: down there in November it's going to be like seventy
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: seventy five. It's a shock to the system of I
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: think it's way harder to play down there in September.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: I think I think it's where in early November than
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: it is in late December. I think you want it
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: to be as middle as possible, but I still put
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: it there, and for what it's worth, within the categories
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: I rank them. So, for instance, there should be a win.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: The home game against the Dolphins is, in theory, their
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: easiest game. It's just week eighteen, assuming everybody plays that.
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: You know, if they have everything locked up and they
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: sit people whatever, I think that's their easiest game.
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Then verse the Jets, then verse the Raiders, then at
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: the Jets.
• 26:30
  Speaker 1: So if we're going easiest to hardest, then I have
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: the Dolphins is the easiest in that next category.
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I have the the four games against the
• 26:40
  Speaker 2: Jets and Dolphins and the Raiders. Okay, layups, cupcakes, tomato cans.
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: You're five and zero. If you just take care of
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: business in those games, yeah, gotta have them. Gotta have them.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: In my opinion, this should be wins. So I'll give
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: this like a seventy five to eighty percent chance that
• 26:57
  Speaker 2: they're gonna win these games. If again, if they stay
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: out of their own way and all that kind of stuff, right,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: I think they should beat the Pittsburgh Steelers.
• 27:04
  Speaker 3: I have the Steelers in that category.
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: I actually be pretty disappointed if they lost to that
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: that corpse twice. I have this. I mean they turn
• 27:12
  Speaker 1: up all over five times last year almost beat them. Yeah,
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: I have the Steelers, so again I put them in
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: order legitimately easiest, hardest. The Dolphins leading off might probably
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: win category. I have the Steelers as the next easiest game.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: And although they're in the same category, I think the
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: next couple are a jump But I think the Steelers
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: game is closer to the Dolphins, Jets, and Raiders than
• 27:31
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 27:31
  Speaker 3: To this next group.
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: So the Steelers.
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: The one thing that makes the Steelers kind of tricky
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: that definitely, I think they have too much roster talent
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: to call them a true tomato can anyway.
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: Steelers Yeah, yeah, on defense, yeah. But the one other
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: element of it is that the last couple of times
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: the Patriots have played Aaron Rodgers early in the year,
• 27:50
  Speaker 2: so they played them week three, right, was it last year? Yeah,
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: it was a week three and then the year before
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: that they played Remember that Thursday night game in New
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: York was his first game back from the injury and
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: they got their doors blown off of them by the Jets. That, yeah,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: it was his first game in New York, New York.
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah that those were early in the season, right, and
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: he was still healthy and he wasn't banged up yet,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: and he was moving around, especially two years ago. He
• 28:17
  Speaker 2: looked like MVPR and Rodgers that night on that Thursday
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: night game with the Jets. So getting them early with
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: a guy like Rogers, a forty two year old quarterback
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: that by the end of last season, Rogers was a
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: shell of himself. He didn't want to get hit. He
• 28:31
  Speaker 2: was getting rid of the ball so quickly that his
• 28:33
  Speaker 2: a dot was like plummeting because he wasn't throwing the
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: ball down the field. He couldn't move out of the pocket.
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: So he's basically a statue in the pocket. You might
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: get a little bit more of a throwback Aaron Rodgers
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: like you did last year and two years ago early
• 28:47
  Speaker 2: on in the season, but he is at best at
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: this point. The twentieth best quarterback in the NFL. Sure
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: you can't be losing games at home to those types of.
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: Patriots have not won their home opener since twenty twenty,
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: so we've got to get that back on track to
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: got to change that.
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: I just you can't.
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: You should take care of business against the Steelers, and
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: you should beat Aaron Rodgers.
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: The other game I had on here was the Vikings
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: Thursday night game. I just feel like you're playing a
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: team that I have no idea what direction that team
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: is going in. You know, we we've taken our small
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: victory laps on JJ McCarthy. Is it going to be
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: JJ McCarthy? Is it going to be Kyler Murray? That's
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: going to be their quarterback? If their season kind of
• 29:29
  Speaker 2: start and go belly up? They already fired their GM.
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: I think AOC is a great coach, but the quarterback thing,
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: they really quarterback situation horrible.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: Seems to seems to be a pattern with some of
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: these Shanahan guys. So I'm gonna gloss past that.
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: So the Viking is the Vikings at home on a
• 29:47
  Speaker 2: Thursday night on a short week, when by that point
• 29:50
  Speaker 2: in the season, where's Minnesota. I feel like that's a
• 29:53
  Speaker 2: play a spot. You should be able to take care
• 29:55
  Speaker 2: of business.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I had that and that that's my next game, literally
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: going easiest to hardest. After the Steelers, the Vikings, probably
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: a win. Again, that's seventy five eight ninety Vices are
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: coming in as a road team, short week. It's literally
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: just Christiganzalez take care of business against Justin Jefferson and
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: the Patriots should win that one relatively easily. Yeah, so
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: so what unless Jefferson goes off, that's Patriots win.
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: So we do you have any more games than these
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: first two categories? Yes, Okay, I put the Green Bay
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: Packers in the probably a win.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: I was very close putting them as a coin flip.
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: But I love the spot for the Patriots. I just
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: love the spot. So this is one where before the
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: schedule came out of why do you looking at opponents?
• 30:37
  Speaker 3: I might have had them as a coin flip.
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, they are coming back from Miami.
• 30:43
  Speaker 3: There's always a tough trip.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: The Patriots are. Yeah, Paper's come back to Miami, which
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: is always a tough trip.
• 30:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: So again I think that game is gonna be a
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: little hairy. Patriot should still win. But does it look
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: like it did last year, or it comes down late.
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: So I think they come in kind with a chip
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: on their shoulder. Love the four to twenty five time slot,
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little chili here. I also don't
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: know with the Packers, so it's outside of Toyota Thon,
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: so you don't have to worry about Toyota Thon. Jordan Love,
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: you're being sarcastic with that, right, like that ninety sarcasm.
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: He's better as the year goes on, and you're getting
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: there is like truth to it to Jordan Loves gets
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: better as the year goes on.
• 31:18
  Speaker 3: You're getting him relatively early.
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: Where is Michael Parsons at if he is back from
• 31:24
  Speaker 1: the torn acl at that point, he's probably just back.
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: I'm not super worried about him.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Relative mean, he's Michael Parsons, but relatively speaking, this isn't
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: getting him. I don't think you're getting him a hundred
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: percent if he plays. And I just I don't love
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: their wide receiver group. They didn't replace Romeo Dobbs. They
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: don't have a lot of guys throw the football too.
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: You know they have Tucker Kraft, but he's you. He
• 31:43
  Speaker 1: gets hurt a lot, and is he playing in that game?
• 31:45
  Speaker 1: And then finally Mike Rabel against his former offensive coronator
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: and Matt Laflour. I like Rabel in that matchup. I
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: think he uses that as an edge. You know, a
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: lot of these Tennessee guys against him. You also have
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: on the other side DeMarcus Covington, cam Accord former Patriots staffers.
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: I just you know, I like the Patriots and that
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: kind there's a lot. I'm not saying those actual bad
• 32:02
  Speaker 1: blood there. I don't think there is. Can Rabel use
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: that to kind of get them going. I think they
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: come out hair on fire for this one.
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: Love the spot for the Patriots.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: So I have this in the coin flip category. I
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: just have too much respect for Green Bay. I think
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: they're a good regular season team. I think they have
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: a lot of roster talent on that team. I think
• 32:21
  Speaker 2: Laflora is a good regular season coach. I don't know
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: if he's a good big game playoff coach, yees not,
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: but I think that he is a good regular season coach.
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: It's a good program, it's a good system. Offensively, Jordan
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: Love is a good quarterback, especially you know in this
• 32:35
  Speaker 2: kind of spot, So I think that that's going to
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: be a relatively competitive game. Like I think it's probably
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: a little bit disrespectful to Green Bay to say that
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: the Patriots should seventy five percent.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: I'd put that more like the sixty to seventy percent,
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: I guess, But I think it's a little more n
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: acquintable end because I love and I think the Packers
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: have a touch game the week before, if I remember correctly, I.
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: Think it will be a juiced up Galt Stadium.
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, you're gonna get Brady's going to be bad,
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: going to be bad. I wonder if that's the week
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Gronk gets inducted in the Hall of Fames. You get
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: Gronk at how to I just again that spot for
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: the Patriots and Packers are coming off a home game
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: against the Panthers, So I don't know anything like is
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: that like it's the Packers, like wearing Packers actually have
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: extra time to uh get ready for it. They play
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: Thursday night the week before.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Wearing throwbacks that game.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Maybe like it's the Packers, Like yeah, there's only a
• 33:27
  Speaker 1: couple of games that makes sense to you. We can
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: go over that if you want. I have some takes
• 33:30
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I think that would be fun. So I have this
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: and I have the Packers. Is the first coin f
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: game spot too much? You know, I'm I'm not gonna
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: do my tight pants sky lafore like that and be disrespectful.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: I'm going to play. I'm gonna say he's got a
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: puncher's chance in that game.
• 33:44
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: A couple more coin flips for me.
• 33:48
  Speaker 1: Chargers at Chargers, I still flip. I have that as
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: a coin flip. I still need to see more from
• 33:57
  Speaker 1: the Chargers.
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: For me to be like, okay that that's a team
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: that I'm going to put in the same category as
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: you know, a Seattle or a Buffalo or something like that.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: To make it a truly a tough game, I think
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: the spot is a little bit tough. You know, traveling
• 34:11
  Speaker 2: across the country is a very tough spot. On a
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: Sunday night football game is a tough spot. But I
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: feel like we get a lot of jazz. If people
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: get jazz up justin Herbert, they jazz up the coach.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: And I know they had injuries last year on the
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: offensive line that contributed to the Patriots kind of controlling
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: that playoff game last year. But at some point justin
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: Herbert Zer and three in the playoffs. And I know
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: this is in the playoff game, but my point is
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: is like, if you're gonna be up in this weight class, yeah,
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: as the Chargers, they got to win some of these
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: games before I'm convinced that they belong in the weight class.
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: So for that reason, even though I don't really love
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: the Patriots in that spot, I'm still calling this a
• 34:50
  Speaker 2: game like that they have a really like at least
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: a fifty fifth chance.
• 34:54
  Speaker 3: Because the Chargers have not.
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: And that's exactly why the Chargers historically are not good
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: in this spot. If this was like a four to
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: one five game early in the year, short, right, it's
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: a tough spot for the Patriots.
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I have it as a coin flip. So
• 35:08
  Speaker 3: I had three coin flips, So.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: I believe it was last year?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Was it?
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: They played Denver late in the year, right, where like
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: technically the division, I think it was one of those
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: games where they could have won the game and put
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: themselves in the driver's seat for the division. They they
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: got their doors blown off, and I know they don't
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: they didn't have their tackles. So maybe this year with
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: Shaan Slater and Joe Alt stay healthy, and both those
• 35:30
  Speaker 2: guys are available in this game and it changes the
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: course of it. But like that playoff game was not
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: really all that competitive dive either, Like I know it
• 35:37
  Speaker 2: didn't really the Pagerots didn't really like put them away
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: until later on in the game, in the second half.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: But in reality, you know, the Chargers had no chance
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: of scoring that day. They had no chance of moving
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: the ball.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: I want to see more from the Chargers now, you
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: know you yeah, deserve the bendfit of the doubt that
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: they can win that game. So similarly, a couple more
• 35:57
  Speaker 1: that I feel like are similar to that one and
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: my coin flip category, I have the Jaguars game in
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: Jacksonville in Week three as a coin flip game. I
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: also have that as a coin flip I have one
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: other because again I did them in order of difficulty.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: I actually had one game before that that's also coin flip.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: That's the home game against the Bills.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but the Jaguars maybe, do you remember that game
• 36:17
  Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen in Jacksonville.
• 36:19
  Speaker 2: We talked about it yesterday.
• 36:20
  Speaker 1: Patriots are coming off a Super Bowl loss and that
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: ended up and they'd played the Jaguars in the playoffs
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: the year before and a N'C championship game, but that
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: ended up not being a good Jaguars team. They only
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: won five games, but they just I looked it up.
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: The final score was thirty one to twenty. If you
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: told me it was forty two to ten, the way
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: that game felt, I'd believe you.
• 36:36
  Speaker 2: I mean, they just it was their Super Bowl.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: Completely man handled the Patriots in that game. And it's
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: like again, going down to Florida early in the year,
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: you gotta deal with the heat.
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: Things like that.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: It's to a Jaguars team that's trying to prove that
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: last year wasn't a fluke. Now, that sure might have
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: been a fluke because the Jaguars generally don't have good
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: two good seasons or two bad seasons in a row.
• 36:55
  Speaker 3: They just sort of roller coaster. Yeah, but yeah, that's
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: a coin flip for me. That's a tough spot.
• 37:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, agreed. I just same as the Chargers. I need
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: a little bit more proof of concept from that. Cora
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: and Jacksonville, Liam Cohne, Trevor Lawrence. You know, a lot
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: of things went right for them last year. They won
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of games. Liam Cone should hold his head high,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: you know, after that. But he didn't get that joke,
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: did you.
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: Oh that's right, that's right.
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it took you a seconds.
• 37:24
  Speaker 7: But the.
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: The one thing that stands out to me, and it's
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: they're related. It's two things that are both related. They're
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: kind of watching Travis Hunter like kind of already and
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: we're not really talking about it because they won what
• 37:39
  Speaker 2: fourteen games last year, and but that still feels kind
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: of Jaguars to me, Like they still they don't really
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: know what to do with him, and I think that
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: they're going to commit him to corner and it's probably
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: his most natural position. It's probably the right call. But
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: the other thing that's related to that is, like, why
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: is all of a sudden, Brian Thomas Junior not a
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: fit for them? So this guy has a huge rookie season,
• 38:04
  Speaker 2: uber talented, great at LSU, great rookie season, coaching chains
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: in Jacksonville, and now all of a sudden, like Brian
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: Thomas Junior is not fit to be a Jaguar like
• 38:13
  Speaker 2: and he might be on the trade block on his
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: rookie contract, and like it just feels like there's still
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: a little bit of that Jaguar stink. To them where
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: like there's some roster moves and some scuttle butt where
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: you're like, what's going on down there exactly? And are
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: we sure that Trevor Lawrence is really the guy? Like
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: I think he's a guy, I just don't know if
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: he's the guy. Like I know Drake May is the guy.
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know that yet about Trevor Lawrence. So I
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: had them in my coin flip as well a couple
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: more coin flips. The Bears game. I think it's just
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: as coin flippy as you possibly can be a coin
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: flip game. I think those two teams, in a really
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: fun way, are like mirror images of each other.
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: The adn't easy schedule last year, took a quarterback the
• 38:56
  Speaker 1: same year they were between hiring the same coaches.
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: The Bears are just the NFC. Yeah, it's cool. I
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: like it. I think it's a fun sort of game
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: to play because you have the first overall picking that
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: draft in Caleb Williams. You have the third overall picking
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: that draft in Drake May. Both quarterbacks, like you said,
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: they change coaches. They kind of have a disaster rookie
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: year with both those quarterbacks change coaches. The Bears get
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Ben Jonson, the Patriots get Rabel. Those are the two
• 39:23
  Speaker 2: top candidates on the coaching market that cycle. That is,
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: that could be a game where if they keep building
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: around these young quarterbacks, like that's like a future of
• 39:33
  Speaker 2: the NFL type of game. If Caleb Williams is on
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: the upward trajectory and Drake may is with him on
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: that upward trajectory, those two guys could be two guys
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: that meet in the Super Bowl someday. Yeah, and that's
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: a fun game. That's my favorite game on the entire schedule.
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: My last coin flip game because I just had too
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: because I just, you know, I just like the disrespect
• 39:53
  Speaker 2: from the Denver Broncos Denver, Denver in New England. Coin
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: flip game. Still don't believe in them, have no reason to.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: We'll see what boat Nicks looks like after the injury.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: We don't have to go to Denver this time, Alex,
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: So don't worry. Okay, you won't have.
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: To play My thinking that you won't have to play
• 40:13
  Speaker 1: at that you don't have to go it's Denver. Oh god,
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: oh god, you don't have to go there. You don't
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: have to go there.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: The game's here, heavy breathing. The game is here, so
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: don't worry, everybody, don't panic. Coin flip game, all right,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Broncos Patriots, SOFC Championship game rematch.
• 40:33
  Speaker 3: My coin flips were Chargers home versus Did you have
• 40:35
  Speaker 3: home versus the Bills?
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: In there?
• 40:36
  Speaker 1: No, ridiculous would have been ridiculous anytime you We'll get
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: to it. We'll get to I had Chargers home versus
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: the Bills and at the Jags.
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: Is my three coin flip games.
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: Chargers home against Home against the Bills, and what was
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: the third one?
• 40:52
  Speaker 3: The Jaguars the Jackuars.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I had more. I had Packers, Chargers, Jags,
• 40:56
  Speaker 2: Broncos Bear So I had five coin flip games. That's
• 40:59
  Speaker 2: gonna make or break your schedule right there. Yeah, you know,
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: you go five and oh four and one against those
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: coin flip teams versus two and three, one and four, Like,
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: that's gonna end up being the difference between being a
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: ten to twelve win team and an eight to ten
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: win team. Right So that that's the season in my mind,
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: is those five teams right there, the tough ones, the toughies,
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: the games that are gonna be real football games. Both
• 41:24
  Speaker 2: games against the Bills not one.
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: So what is this category? What is this category?
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: This is tough ones. These are the toughest games on
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: the schedule.
• 41:34
  Speaker 1: Okay, but it should be a fair expectation that they elite.
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: I guess we're doing semantics here for me.
• 41:41
  Speaker 2: Coin toss is like this is where out of the
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: coin flip games? Okay, but we're into the next tier.
• 41:45
  Speaker 3: So you you think, more.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: Likely than not the Bills sweep the Patriots.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: I think anytime you beat Josh Allen is a good win.
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: You think so? I think that's not a guest.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: More likely than not the Bills sweep the Patriots. The
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: Bills who got worse? Who? The Patriots played tough for
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: six of eight uh three or four halfs last year?
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: And then the Bill Scott sixty eight quarters? Whatever it is?
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: They're the math you it is you think the Bill
• 42:15
  Speaker 3: it's more likely than not the Bill.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: Sweep the Patriots. I don't think it's more No, I
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: think it's more likely that they split. But then one
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: of the games has to be a coin flip. Because
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: what you're saying is these are the games the Patriots
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: are more likely to lose than win. No, what I'm
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: saying flip.
• 42:31
  Speaker 8: No.
• 42:31
  Speaker 2: What I'm saying is these are the toughest games on
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: the schedule. All right, I have too much respect for
• 42:35
  Speaker 2: Josh Allen. I think you have not enough respect for
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Drake May. I think Drake May is great. What do
• 42:40
  Speaker 2: you mean then you.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Don't think there's as good a chance at home the
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Patriots beat the Bills as there is the Bills beat
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: the Patriots.
• 42:46
  Speaker 2: There there might. I don't know as good. I mean,
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: how did it go last year? Not great?
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Well, but the Patriots also won there you you are
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: putting we are Now. The whole point of this exercise
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: is it's essentially this is so catch twenty two, This
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: is so no, this isn't semantics. Is you not understanding
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: the exercise? The point is it's most likely the least
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: likely to win. This is you?
• 43:07
  Speaker 2: So the game sutrating because you want me to say
• 43:11
  Speaker 2: that the Bills aren't good and I'm just not gonna
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: say that.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: I think saying that a Bills team that got worse,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: you big DJ Moore, Guy Evan, A Bills team that
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: got worse, but they botch their coaching situation, he is
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: more likely than not to sweep the Patriots.
• 43:25
  Speaker 2: I was adding dj Moore getting worse.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: They got old, they didn't add any significant players, and
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: they got old. They're still getting older, and who knows
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: what's gonna happen with the coach.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: I agree. That's the one point you've made that I
• 43:37
  Speaker 2: agree with. The one point that you have made that
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I agree with is that for all of his faults,
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: you had a floor, a high floor with Sean McDermott.
• 43:45
  Speaker 2: You knew that A Bill's team with Josh Allen at
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: quarterback and Sean McDermott as the head coach was going
• 43:51
  Speaker 2: to make the playoffs like that was just an automatic.
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: Where do they went anywhere in the playoffs is a
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: different story, And the reason why they made a coaching
• 43:58
  Speaker 2: change is because they haven't gone anywhere playoffs?
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 44:00
  Speaker 2: Can we agree on that they had high floor with
• 44:03
  Speaker 2: Sean McDermott. That team was a playoff team no matter what.
• 44:06
  Speaker 3: Well, not because of Sean mcdermotty.
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: Yes, but he didn't get in the way.
• 44:09
  Speaker 3: He not in the regular season.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: You're the worst. You can't. You just can't even say
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: he did not get in the way of them being
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: a playoff team. Fine, we do not know that about
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: Joe Brady. There is a chance that Joe Brady gets
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: in the way. But you think it's more likely than
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: not the Bills win both. You would get you were
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: in Vegas, you would favor the Bills in both games
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: if you're setting the line. If I'm setting the line
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: today today, no, as we do, I would have the
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: Patriots favored at home and I'd have the Bills.
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: So then you can't sit the whole point. Okay, then
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: we did two totally different exercises. What else point was
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I thought we were trying to do
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: the same thing here. Like we have this conversation. We
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: ants easy.
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: This is good radio. We don't have it.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: It's easiest.
• 44:53
  Speaker 5: Paths are favorite. It's still gonna be tough.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: It's a tough game, but the coin flips are tough games.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: That Jaguars game is a tough game. The Chargers, I
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: have the Bills one of them.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: It's a tough game. The Bills are tougher. The Bills
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: are a better team than all those teams you just named.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: I think the Bills coming here should not be That's
• 45:12
  Speaker 1: a game that, yes, I kind of expect Patriots to win.
• 45:14
  Speaker 1: I don't think it's like a disappointment if they lose it.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: It's a hard game against the division rival at home
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: after what happened last year. Is a fair expectation, assuming health,
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: that the Patriots win that game.
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: Tough one. You should be counting on the Patriots to
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: win that game. Beating Josh Allen is tough.
• 45:30
  Speaker 1: You have the Bills, as far as I'm concerned, you
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: have the Bills sweeping the Patriots, which is wildly disrespectful
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: to Mike Rabel and Drake Back.
• 45:36
  Speaker 2: I do not have I didn't say I did not
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: say that. I said that this that beating the Bills
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: is gonna is not going to be easy. It's not
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: a coin flip. Game is a game that you realistically
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: can win this game.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: So you're saying the Patriots can't realistically win both Jets
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: on both Bills games, both Bills games. No, they can't
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: realistically win the game. Here, you're saying they can't realistically
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: win the game game can.
• 46:00
  Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be a tough game.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: That's what you think a coin flip.
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: You just don't want to put it in the coin
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: flip because you can't do you can't bring yourself do
• 46:09
  Speaker 1: that to Josh Allen and the in Buffalo. You can't
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: bring yourself to admit that the Patriots have caught or
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: maybe passed the bills, which they have.
• 46:17
  Speaker 2: The one, the one thing I would say to Josh
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Allen stopped going to Sabers games, like stop stop going.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: Did he go to game seven?
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: I don't think so.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: I didn't see mister Buffalo game seven.
• 46:26
  Speaker 2: I know he went to the Bruins game when he
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: when he did the whatever they do the thing. I'm
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: not saying that it's stupid good. I think all of
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: them are stupid. By the way, that wasn't like a
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: shot at the Sabers gimmicky stuff. All of our gimmicky
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: stuff is stupid. But that that, uh, you know, just
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: stop going to Sabers games. Tough one both but Bill's
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: games are gonna be tough. They're always to. That doesn't
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: mean he's he's Michael Myers like you gotta kill him.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady is Michael Myers. I won't let you use
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: that Tom Brady. Tom Brady is forever has been. Tom
• 46:58
  Speaker 1: Brady's in Fox's booth, Alex. I've said this, I've said this,
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: not putting a helmet ally, but he compares Tom Brady
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: to Darth Vader. I don't think that's the if you
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: want to compare Bills them, I know, but just Brady,
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: if you want to compare Brady to a movie villain
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: is independent what we were talking about. I've just always
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: felt this way. I've said this fears Michael. There's a
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: scene in one of the and I know the old
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: ones are better, but there's a scene it's from like
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: the last or second last trailer of Halloween, where they
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: lock Michael in the basement. They put a bunch of
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: explosives down there, they set the house on fire, and
• 47:33
  Speaker 1: as they're pulling away, like there's no reason you should
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: get out of that. And as they're pulling away from
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: the house, what do they see in the rear view mirror.
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: Michael's standing in a door with a chainsaw. That is
• 47:42
  Speaker 1: Tom Brady. Josh Allen can be like Freddy Krueger or something.
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, both Bills games are gonna be tough. But you
• 47:51
  Speaker 2: described one as a coin flip, but you're just not
• 47:54
  Speaker 2: calling I can't call it a coin flip when Josh
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: Allen's in the game. I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: can't call it a.
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: Coin if the quarterback is Drake May. Drake May is awesome,
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: but it's only been one year. I'm gonna have to
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: see Drake May do it again.
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: I've seen Josh Allen be a top three, top one
• 48:10
  Speaker 2: MVP quarterback in the NFL since twenty twenty. It's twenty
• 48:14
  Speaker 2: twenty six. We've had five years, six years of Josh
• 48:17
  Speaker 2: Allen playing at this level. Can we give Drake have
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: Drake May do it again before we put him in
• 48:23
  Speaker 2: that category.
• 48:23
  Speaker 3: I think this is disrespectful to Drake May.
• 48:25
  Speaker 2: Okay, then fine, it's disrespectful to Drake May.
• 48:29
  Speaker 1: All right, here's my other So here's what I had
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: in the like. So again my coin flips the real
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: point game. Just can't help yourself.
• 48:38
  Speaker 2: I think it's a nine.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: I think after they split last year to say no,
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: it's still the Bills. The Builds are still in the
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: driver's seat. The Bills are the better team. That's what
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: you're saying. If it's not coin flip, because because isn't
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: their chance evenly matched game.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: Everybody's talking about it all off season. Like the Patriot,
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: it's had an easy schedule. Last year they ran through it.
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: They ran to the Super Bowl, but they have to
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: replicate it. You have to do it again. The Bills
• 49:08
  Speaker 2: have done it again and again for five six.
• 49:10
  Speaker 1: Easy schedule included a win in Buffalo, and they had
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: a twenty one point lead at home. Admittedly they blew it,
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: but you hope with the year of experience they get better.
• 49:18
  Speaker 1: And a coin flip means an evenly matched game. It
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: means it's fifty to fifty if you don't have the
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: Bills game and that and that can factor in things
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: like home field advantage, short week, things like that. If
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: you don't have one of the Bills games in there,
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: it means you don't either you don't think it's an
• 49:31
  Speaker 1: evenly an even matchup, and that the Bills are better,
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: or for whatever reason you think that hosting Buffalo on
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: a Sunday afternoon on a regular length week, I guess
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: a little short because of Sunday night football is like
• 49:45
  Speaker 1: some brutal spot. That's basically what you're saying.
• 49:48
  Speaker 2: Okay, so I'll finish it at this and then we
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: should we should move on. Okay. I think that there's
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: a chance that we get to what you say, it's
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: week fourteen, right fourteen, Week thirteen. I think there's a
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: chance that we get to that game and it's not
• 50:04
  Speaker 2: as hard as it looks, because I think there's a
• 50:06
  Speaker 2: chance that the Patriots proved to me and prove to
• 50:09
  Speaker 2: everybody that they have staying power that last year wasn't
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: about the schedule, and it wasn't about the breaks that
• 50:15
  Speaker 2: they got along the way.
• 50:17
  Speaker 6: Like I, I.
• 50:19
  Speaker 2: Understand that narrative frustrates people, but at the end of
• 50:22
  Speaker 2: the day, we have to acknowledge it because the Patriots
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: could be a team that beat up on a bad
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: schedule last year a little bit. But I so if
• 50:29
  Speaker 2: we get to week thirteen and the Patriots are ten
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: and two or nine and three, even go, you know whatever,
• 50:36
  Speaker 2: they have a winning record, whatever you want to put
• 50:38
  Speaker 2: it at, and then they're going up against the Bills
• 50:40
  Speaker 2: at home. I'm gonna say the Patriots should win this game.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: They should be favored in this game. But until I
• 50:45
  Speaker 2: see the Patriots prove to me that they are a
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: sustainable winner under Mike frand you're here.
• 50:52
  Speaker 6: To do that.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: I could just as easily do that game with the Bills,
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: who knows what kind of head coach. Only the only
• 51:00
  Speaker 1: the only thing you can do that is with the
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: coach no, you can do it with more than a
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: coach who's allan throwing to.
• 51:07
  Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure who did he throw to last year.
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: I'm not it might be worse. I'm not entirely sure
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: that Dj Moore is an upgrade over Brandon Cooks. I'm
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: not entirely sure of that. You have an offensive line
• 51:18
  Speaker 1: that was dealing with injuries last year, is a year older,
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: especially their left tackle, who there were some.
• 51:23
  Speaker 3: Retirement rumblings about this offseason.
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: How does James cook look after a year where he
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: had to carry the offense. We know running backs struggle
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: to have big years like that back to back, and
• 51:33
  Speaker 1: they lost a number, albeit older, of key veteran communicators
• 51:37
  Speaker 1: on defense. To act like the Patriots have to answer
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: all these questions because they had an easy schedule last
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: year and the Buffalo Bills are just going to sleep
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: walk their way to thirteen or fourteen wins. Again, that's
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: just not being intellectually consistent. I'm not saying the Patriots
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: don't have questions. I'm saying the Bills questions and go
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: punch for punch with the Patriots. It's a coin flip.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: It's a coin flip. Who has the tougher questions. It's
• 52:01
  Speaker 1: a coin flip. You're giving entirely too much credit.
• 52:04
  Speaker 3: To the Buffalo Bills.
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: Josh Josh Allen has proved he can be more sustainable.
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: I will give you that.
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: I also just like, because you hate Buffalo, it is
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: a what have you done for they have great wings?
• 52:20
  Speaker 1: It is a what have you done for me?
• 52:22
  Speaker 3: They're fine?
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: It is a what have you done for me lately?
• 52:25
  Speaker 3: League?
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: And the Bills regressed last year and then botched a
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: coaching change.
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: Okay, So on the coaching because I I I agree
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: with that point. For you, that's a good point you're making.
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: I'll give you that. On the coaching, there's a chance
• 52:39
  Speaker 2: that Joe Brady can't coach, head, coach a team. I
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: think you can coordinate. There's a chance he can.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: So you admit these are two different things. Yes, okay,
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: that's a point for me in another argument. Continue, Okay,
• 52:48
  Speaker 1: I admit that that that is true. Okay, but I
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: don't the batching the coaching change. Like we we both
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: agree that they needed to move on from McDermott. It
• 52:57
  Speaker 1: was time like that wasn't gonna work. So what were
• 52:59
  Speaker 1: they supposed because the culture wasn't there. They couldn't win
• 53:02
  Speaker 1: in the playoffs, right, they were supposed to go outside
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: the organization.
• 53:05
  Speaker 2: Okay, So I think that, Okay, I think that. To me,
• 53:12
  Speaker 2: Brian Dable, the only advantage Brian Dable had was that
• 53:15
  Speaker 2: he failed as the Giants head coach, so like he
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: has a little bit of sideline experience as a head coach.
• 53:20
  Speaker 2: But like, I think both those guys are offensive, you know,
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: play callers on the offensive side of the ball. That
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: worked with Josh Allen. And my guess is that Josh
• 53:30
  Speaker 2: Allen really likes Joe Brady. Now should he be doing
• 53:33
  Speaker 2: the hiring. Probably not, But that's just the gods honest truth. Look,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: people are gonna side with you on this one, I
• 53:39
  Speaker 2: can already tell. But I just like to rye you
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: up because of the Bills. And I also just think
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: the Bills are a little bit better than you do.
• 53:46
  Speaker 2: You're right though, they have some concerns and there's a
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: chance that Buffalo has a really bad year. Like by
• 53:51
  Speaker 2: their standards, I don't think they're ever going to totally
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: stink with tea. Yeah, but well they can't be five hundred,
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: but I do hate that they do. They go eight nine.
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: Do they you know, do they have a true down
• 54:02
  Speaker 2: year like Kansas City had last year?
• 54:04
  Speaker 6: Right?
• 54:04
  Speaker 2: And I know Kansas City it made got made worse
• 54:07
  Speaker 2: because that Mahomes got.
• 54:08
  Speaker 3: Hurt and they were out of the playoffs before Mahomes
• 54:09
  Speaker 3: got hurt.
• 54:10
  Speaker 2: But but it got it really went downhill when that happened.
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: Speaking of Mahomes, I still have at Kansas City as
• 54:16
  Speaker 2: a tough one. I I have a lot of the
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: same concerns. Are the same questions that you have about
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: the bills I have about Kansas City.
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: So so you'll admit these things are real, just not
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: for your team up in Buffalo correct ridiculous.
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: Mostly just to annoy you. I think that the Kansas
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: City Chiefs roster still doesn't wow me. And Mahomes coming
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: off the ACL it sounds like he certainly sounds like
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: he's gonna be ready for when they played the Patriots. Oh,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: the NFL is counting on him being ready week one, Like,
• 54:50
  Speaker 2: we'll see if that happens. But I'm not one hundred
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: percent sold yet on this Kansas City team. Andy Reid
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: last year felt like a guy that was on the
• 55:02
  Speaker 2: late Belichick watch list right, Like was he starting to
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: lose his fastball a little bit. Just from an offensive
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: innovation standpoint, they didn't really have a lot of answers
• 55:12
  Speaker 2: even with the healthy Mahomes. I didn't think they really
• 55:15
  Speaker 2: did a lot. Now there are some rumblings around them
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: that they could put their hat in the AJ Brown
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: Sweeve Steakes when it really comes the rubber meets the
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: road with that, but I still am not wowed by
• 55:27
  Speaker 2: their skill talent. Like Travis Kelty coming back a year
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: older doesn't really move me all that much after how
• 55:35
  Speaker 2: he looked for most of the year last year, Mahomes
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: coming off a major injury. Their big off season addition
• 55:41
  Speaker 2: was Kenneth Walker, so they added a running back, which
• 55:43
  Speaker 2: you know how I feel about that, right. I think
• 55:46
  Speaker 2: they'll be pretty good on defense, as they have been
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: the last couple of years. But even defensively, they traded
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Trent McDuffie. I don't know why, Like, why did you
• 55:55
  Speaker 2: do that? And then Chris Jones also was kind of
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: in that Travis Kelsey category of I don't know if
• 56:03
  Speaker 2: he's still got as much left in the tank as
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: he did before. Same thing about Reid is Mahomes the
• 56:08
  Speaker 2: same guy. I was really tempted to put Kansas City
• 56:12
  Speaker 2: in a lower tier here because I really don't believe
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: in the Chiefs this year. But that being said, it's
• 56:19
  Speaker 2: still Patrick Mahomes. Yeah, it's still Arrowhead. That is a really,
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: really difficult environment to play in. So I came out
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: in the wash to this being a tough game on
• 56:29
  Speaker 2: their schedule. But I still kind of feel like maybe
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: Kansas City has another down year in them, And if
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: they do, I really wonder what happens in Kansas City.
• 56:39
  Speaker 2: Obviously Mahomes isn't going anywhere, right, But if they have
• 56:42
  Speaker 2: another down year, is Andy Reid kind of running out
• 56:45
  Speaker 2: of gas?
• 56:46
  Speaker 9: You know?
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: And Travis Kelcey certainly looks like he's running out of gas?
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: Where did you have the Chiefs?
• 56:51
  Speaker 1: Maybe we can come to an agreement on the chiefs,
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: because clearly we can't agree on the bills, I don't think.
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: So why you go through the rest of as I
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: go through the rest of mine, Because having different categories
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: kind of screws it up.
• 57:00
  Speaker 2: True, I probably should have stuck with your categories. I
• 57:01
  Speaker 2: didn't like them.
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: Didn't like categories, well because you didn't. You didn't understand
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: them clearly. So for the probably a lost games. These
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: are the ones where it's like you could steal one.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: Weirder things have happened, But I don't like the spot.
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah I had at Detroit in Germany.
• 57:18
  Speaker 3: Detroit. It's a good team. They're, you know, looking to
• 57:20
  Speaker 3: bounce back after aggressing year ago.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: Just the Patriot. I know it's different coaches, but the
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: Patriots history the last few years in Europe. Maybe that's
• 57:26
  Speaker 1: weighing on me too much.
• 57:29
  Speaker 2: And some of the things the.
• 57:30
  Speaker 1: Lions do well, their ground game, their pass rush matchup
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: well with questions about the Patriots. I think that's a
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: tough spot. Week seventeen versus the Broncos I have is
• 57:40
  Speaker 1: a tough one. It's not in Denver, Alex still tough game,
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: it's it's so much easier, no, and not being in
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: Denver because it's not the Broncos breathe when I was there.
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: The Broncos are not a team that's going to be
• 57:52
  Speaker 1: impacted by like because Week seventeen. They're not a team
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: that's gonna come up here late and struggle with the
• 57:56
  Speaker 1: cold or whatever's going on.
• 57:57
  Speaker 3: They're gonna be used to that rematch Nfcampionship game. They
• 58:01
  Speaker 3: played in a.
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: Much tougher division. That game is gonna have a lot
• 58:03
  Speaker 1: of meeting for them one way or the other. I
• 58:05
  Speaker 1: think that's a really tough spot. And then Week seven
• 58:08
  Speaker 1: at the Bears, I have as their fourth toughest game.
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: Being the road team on a Thursday night is never easy,
• 58:15
  Speaker 1: and I think preparing for all the whoopsie do of
• 58:18
  Speaker 1: that offense on a short week when you don't see
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: that team regularly it's an NFC team, is gonna be
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: very difficult.
• 58:24
  Speaker 3: That's one where I fire.
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: You admitting that Ben Johnson's a good.
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: For one game not I'm not. Yeah, he's a good
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: offensive coordinator.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: I've never set he's the offense coordinator side if Ben
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: John's is gonna have a chance to show up there.
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: And I just hate the Thursday night road team in general.
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: That's when I wanted to put as a coin flip,
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: but again, having to go there on a Thursday night,
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: that's a really tough spot.
• 58:48
  Speaker 3: I don't like that spot for the Patriots. And then
• 58:51
  Speaker 3: my hardest of the hard climbing up the.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Mountain games, this is if you could steal one of these,
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: that's great. At Buffalo, I know they won their last year,
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: but that game is the Bill's super Bowl after the
• 59:02
  Speaker 1: Patriots passed them, which they did, Yes, they did, they
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: passed them. The Patriots passed them in the offseason. They
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: won the last season, they won the division. They won
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: the sas the Patriots passed them. Last season they won
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: the division. They won their last year in the final
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: game at Old Time Mark. It's a stadium that the
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Patriots storically owns. So here you go, fresh slate, first time.
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: The Patriots are coming into the new building after stealing
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: the division, snatching their chain last year. That is the
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: Bill's super Bowl, at least at home. They do not
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: play a more, especially if you think Kansas City's gonna
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: regress because they go to Denver for the playoff reing match,
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: but the Bills do. That is, if you pulled Bills fans,
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: what is the one game that means the most for
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: them to win at home in the new stadium. This
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: is it that you were going to get the Bills
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: best punch in that game, the team and the fans.
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: I have the Chiefs in the Climbing the Mountain game.
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: I do because I think that you're going to get
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: even if Mahomes isn't back to start the season. By
• 59:54
  Speaker 1: Week fifteen, it's a year and a week exactly from
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: the injury. You're probably gonna get mahomes best punch in
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: that game.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 2: I also, I'm less worried about Mahomes's best punch in
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 2: terms of the Chiefs week fifteen. I just don't know
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: where the Chiefs are going to be. So I here's
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: the thing.
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: I think they're going to regress a little bit. I
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: still think they're going to be competitive. That might be
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 1: like make or break it into the playoffs for them.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: That is going to be going into Arrowhead in prime
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: time with the Chiefs needing that game to keep their
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: playoff hopes alive. And then I'll add to it, and
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 1: maybe I'm doing a little too much psychoanalysis here. Mahomes
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: was on the other side of how many of these
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 1: games where it was him versus Brady, and he had
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: to hear it played off as the historical significance two
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: great quarterbacks, the first Mahomes May game. And I'm not
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: saying May is going to become Mahomes, but he is.
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: It's a different generation of quarterbacks. Mahomes is no longer
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: than that young quarterback generation. And it's this game could
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: have significant historical implications for the debate among the quarterback position.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 3: I think Mahomes understands that.
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 1: I think this is a gate having gone through with Brady,
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: I think this is if he has one or two
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 1: left in him to just single handedly will the team
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 1: to win. I think it's this. And then the hardest
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: game on the Patriots schedule for me is the first.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: You gotta go out there. It is still short of
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: a short week, even though it's Week one, which sucks
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 1: because when you go from roster cuts to this, like
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: you have a little less time. You know, watch him
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 1: raise the banner. It's an East Coast team going west.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: The defending Super Bowl champion has won this game for
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: the last six years in his seventeen and four all
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: time in this spot.
• 1:01:33
  Speaker 3: Again, just hate, hate, hate that spot for the Patriots.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: Okay, so we have a lot of the other same
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: games other than the Bills being split for you at
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: Seattle easily the toughest game on the schedule. I don't
• 1:01:44
  Speaker 2: think that's debatable. Yeah, at Kansas City, I still think
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 2: it is a tough game, but I just pulled it
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: up because I wanted to be sure. You want to
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: hear Kansas City's wide receiver. Yeah, great, Taekwan Thornton, Yeap,
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: Xavier Worthy, Yeah, Rashi RII with whatever is gonna happen
• 1:02:01
  Speaker 2: with Rushi Rice, Jalen Royals, and Cyrus Allen who they
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 2: just drafted in the fifth round.
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 3: Yeah, then whatever's left the Travis Kelsey tighten.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 2: And whatever's left the Travis Kelcey at tight end, and
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 2: then Kenneth Walker I mentioned they signed as a free
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 2: agent at running back. That ain't great. Like it's really
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 2: not very good. And you're expecting Mahomes to come off
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 2: in ACL and come back and just kind of turn
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 2: water into wine with that group. You know, their offensive
• 1:02:24
  Speaker 2: line still got talent, but there's no more Joe Tooney
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: there right, So, like it's not a great offensive line either.
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 2: I would have a lot of concerns about Kansas City
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 2: that may be tempted. It made me tempted the other
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 2: team that I was really tempted with, and we you know,
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 2: I was hoping that we could argue about this a
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: little bit too, the Detroit Lions. Like, I don't know
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: what the Detroit Lions. It's a tough spot.
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: I frankly, if it was in Detroit, I probably would
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: have put them in that second category in that you know, yeah,
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 1: climbing a mountain. The fact it's a neutral site game
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: that's going to impact them to.
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: That's a tough game. Yeah.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 1: I think what I actually went through and did my
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 1: exercis that is a loss. I don't think it's quite
• 1:03:01
  Speaker 1: on the level as some of those others because I
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: think the game being played in Europe naturally. I mean, look,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 1: the Jets almost beat the Broncos over there last year.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 2: Ye.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 1: I just think playing internationally is a natural somewhat, not completely,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: but it does level the playing field, does even things
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: out because it's a major variable that both teams have
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: to deal with. So with the Lions, I think it's
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 1: a big breakoun it's technically a neutral site game.
• 1:03:26
  Speaker 2: It's it's yeah, it's neutral. It is a neutral site game.
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't call it technically a Lions home game, yeah,
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 2: but it is a neutral site game. It is a
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 2: break that they don't have to play in Detroit.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: But the alternative is going to Europe, which is a
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: pain in the ass in its own right. It's just
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 1: a different okay, but I wouldn't say it's a break.
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: It's having to go into Detroit.
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 3: No, you do not have to go to another country.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 2: Okay, but that's a neutral sight, Alex. You're gonna Detroit
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 2: is one of the hardest places to play. Makes it
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: makes like the Adam arrowhead Detroit.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 3: Okay, it makes so.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: Now now you care about home field advantage all of
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: a sudden, you don't care about the one that's scientifically
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: prove and in December and Denver.
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 3: All right, way to be consistent.
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 1: But it makes the game itself difficult. It's it would
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: be hard if it makes the weak, the planning, the
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: preparation harder.
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: It's an offset you you the game would be harder
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 2: in Detroit than it is gonna.
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: Be game itself. Is the entire process that weak easier
• 1:04:21
  Speaker 1: or harder because it's in Germany, it is harder to
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: win the game. It's a different kind of challenge. I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: don't think it's easier harder.
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 2: Is it harder to win the game in Munich? Or
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 2: is it harder to win the game in Detroit?
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: From when the ball is just just which game is
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: easier to win from when the ball is snapped? It's
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: easier to be in Munich. The thing is, are you
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 1: going to be able to prepare the way you want
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 1: to prepare, dealing with all the extra.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: Stuff that comes with going.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 2: You give the Patriots to use your own Do you
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 2: give the Patriots a better chance to win the game
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: in Munich or win the game? It really doesn't.
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 1: Detroit really doesn't change it for me. I think it's
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 1: just a different challenge, That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's easier in Munich. The other thing that
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 2: I would just say about the line, I've always kind
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 2: of thought Dan Campbell was a little bit overrated. Now
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 2: I've got him totally on fraud watch as a head coach.
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 1: Is it.
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 2: I think there's a very good chance that Ben Johnson
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 2: was the real brains of that operation in Detroit when
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 2: he was their offensive coordinator. As example of what he
• 1:05:24
  Speaker 2: did in Chicago in his first year as the head
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 2: coach and where the Lions went without him, so they
• 1:05:29
  Speaker 2: hired Drew Pettsing as their offensive coordinator because Dan Campbell's
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 2: plan last year went completely haywire to the point where
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 2: he had to put the byfocals on and call the
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 2: plays himself by the end of the year. I like
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: Drew Petsing. I think he did some things in Arizona,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 2: especially in the run game that I liked, but I
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 2: still don't know if that's a great hire or not.
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 2: Kelvin Sheppard was a little bit better as their defensive coordinator,
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 2: like that one wasn't quite as much of a step
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 2: down from Aaron Glenn to Calvin Sheppard. But the whole
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 2: Dan Campbell thing in Detroit without Ben Johnson last year
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 2: over one right, Like, they didn't look good. So I
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 2: was tempted to move that one down to but I didn't.
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  Speaker 2: I left it up there because in all likelihood, Detroit
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  Speaker 2: probably has a bounce back year. I think I'd probably
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  Speaker 2: put more of it of the odds that bounce back
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  Speaker 2: year for Detroit than another bad one. But I think
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  Speaker 2: another one bad one is possible. Okay, there's a schedule.
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  Speaker 2: You all can blob me after the break about being
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  Speaker 11: What's up Patty, Hey, good afternoon, guys, great show as always.
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  Speaker 11: I love how you guys just like get into it.
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  Speaker 11: Just about the schedule and what do you think is
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  Speaker 11: going to be the toughest games. I did have a
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  Speaker 11: few questions that I wanted to throw up there to
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  Speaker 11: you guys. The first one is, Evan, do you have
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  Speaker 11: any inkling about when the training camp practices are going
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  Speaker 11: to start? Because I'm hoping, hoping to do what I
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  Speaker 11: did last year, which is go to the first Saturday
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  Speaker 11: and then and the joint practice against the Eagles.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Wait, what was the question again, Patty? Sorry, we got
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  Speaker 1: any camp it. We got some banging outside. It's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be yeah, same. Was it Wednesday or Thursday? I think
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: it always because they do the thing now where all
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  Speaker 1: the teams start at the same time.
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  Speaker 2: This started trading camp.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, do they start early because oh no, you start
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  Speaker 3: early for the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, it's usually like the week of like the
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  Speaker 2: twenty second, I think, is that Wednesday, the twenty third,
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  Speaker 2: like somewhere around there. Is usually the very first day.
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  Speaker 2: But remember that the first day of trading camp is
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  Speaker 2: not padded right like, so it's not they're not truly
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  Speaker 2: live contact yet until the ramp up period, which takes
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  Speaker 2: five days. So usually the first padded practices until like
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  Speaker 2: Sunday or Monday of that following week. Yeah, all right, cool.
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  Speaker 11: And I just wanted to say, like, the one thing
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 11: that scares me about about the Bills this year and
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 11: going forward, not necessarily like them winning a Super Bowl.
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 11: And I'll get into that in a second, but I
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  Speaker 11: really do like Skyler Bell and you guys know how
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  Speaker 11: much else pumping is hires pre draft. You know, I
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 11: think more might have lost, but they're gonna be a
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 11: tough game, Alex. Like both games. I would say they're
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 11: both kind of in the coin flip territory just because
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 11: of what they did last year. I mean, you can
• 1:12:12
  Speaker 11: argue that the Patriots roster is a lot more deep
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 11: this year, and if they end up trading for a
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 11: J Brown or you know, my dream is that he
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 11: goes to Jacksonville, he gets traded in Jacksonville and we
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 11: trade for BPJ. But that's that's the story for another day.
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  Speaker 11: I think they're gonna be, you know, it's gonna be
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 11: the passing the bills, because let the face of the
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 11: Jets and the Dolphins suck, they're probably going to so,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 11: I mean the Jets will suck for all eternity, but
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 11: making any noise. But Evan, I know from listening to
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 11: Peu over the last few weeks that you're you look
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 11: fancy yourself as somewhat of a conspiracy theorist. Have you
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 11: ever watched the X files or have you ever gone
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 11: back and like watched any of the X files?
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  Speaker 2: I have nine. Thanks for the call, Patty, we appreciate it.
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  Speaker 6: I have not.
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  Speaker 2: I'm on that that's like was a little bit before
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 2: our time. I X files, but aware of it, but
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 2: maybe like a little bit of a conspiracy guy. I
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: I don't do that. I don't look into it as
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 2: much anymore as I used to. But I had a
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 2: like a phase, you know, where I was like going
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 2: down a lot of rabbit holes.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 5: Like watching Zekeeist every weekend.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, like Elvis the moon Landing, JFK. Tupac, like,
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: you know, you just kind of what about the Beatles.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: There's the one about Paul McCartney.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a fake. Paul mccartny is not really Paul McCartney.
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  Speaker 5: It's Paul McCartney.
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  Speaker 2: We think that he that he's the current one is fake.
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  Speaker 1: How did you have a conspiracy theory phase and not
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: go down Paul is dead, Paul's dead.
• 1:13:41
  Speaker 2: Rabbit hole just didn't So, I.
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 1: Don't know, I forget the whole thing if you want to.
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 1: It's it's it, you go down and it John Lennon's did, yes.
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  Speaker 2: For real though, I think this is so.
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  Speaker 3: I think that the theory is it was before John
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  Speaker 3: Lennon died, right, yeah, yeah, it would be like McCartney died.
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  Speaker 3: I think it's like in a cart rash or something.
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  Speaker 6: They died in the car crash, and they replaced him
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  Speaker 6: because the world wouldn't be able to handle Paul mccartny
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  Speaker 6: being dead, like there would be pandemonium, so they replaced
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  Speaker 6: him with a look alike.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it would be Supposedly there's all these clues
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  Speaker 1: about their way, the way they're standing on the cover
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  Speaker 1: of certain albums and like if you is it, I
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: am the Walrus. There's one Beatles song that if you
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  Speaker 1: play it backwards, supposedly you hear Paul is dead.
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  Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, I can't remember exactly what one is, but yeah,
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 6: that's the when they used to play records backwards.
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  Speaker 3: And so there's all there's all these.
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 1: Clues supposedly about them replacing Paul McCartney. Yeah, like on
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 1: the on the cover of Abbey Road, I think like
• 1:14:44
  Speaker 1: he's the only one that isn't wearing shoes or something. Okay,
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 1: Revolution nine is the one.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: We went to the Abbey Road when we were in
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 2: London two years ago, and it's like very much a
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: not a great to just like stop traffic. Like it's
• 1:15:02
  Speaker 2: like a pretty busy road. There's the Beatles, you know,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: and like so people but people go there to take picture,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: to take the Beatles picture, and so like every like
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 2: a couple of minutes there's just a mob of people
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 2: just standing in the middle of a road that is
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 2: like there's no stoplight, there's no stop Yeah, it's it's
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 2: literally just like a regular road and like people just
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 2: stop traffic and hold up traffic to take a picture there.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: It was very bizarre. I thought it would be like
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 2: more organized, you know, like they would know that that
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 2: was happening, so they would like try to organize it. Now,
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 2: I never wrote down the Paul McCartney road, but I
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 2: really it's a major one. I'm surprised it was more
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 2: of like moon landing Elvis.
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: So this is very similar to like the Elvis and
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: jfk Ones.
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that was more of my my my slant,
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 2: like you know, the moon landing. I'm still you know,
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 2: I have questions. You know, Uh, Alex and pa emails
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: in Alex is one hundred percent right on the Bills, Evan.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: If the spread is very close, that means it is
• 1:16:04
  Speaker 2: a very even matchup. In order for Evan to claim
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 2: the Bills, games are both less than coin flips, the
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: Bills must be clear favorites going into the game. It's
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 2: a travesy. You think the Pats don't have a very
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 2: good chance to win since they won in Buffalo All
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 2: Capitals last year and we're up twenty one to nothing
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 2: at home. So maybe I will concede that in the
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 2: exercise as it was designed. Yeah, you it doesn't make
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: sense to say both games are tough games. I just
• 1:16:34
  Speaker 2: think as a football person, both games are tough games exactly.
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: Coin flip is a tough game. I don't know why
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 1: you don't think a game where it's evenly matched is
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 1: a tough game. Like that's not a game that's evenly matched.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 1: You gotta win on the margins. You gotta do little
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: things right. That's not easy to win. The other side
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: of that is the games that you are more likely
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 1: to lose. If a game is less than a coin flip,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 1: you're more.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 3: Likely to lose.
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: It's just the definition of how it's how words work.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: I don't know if I can explain it any clearer
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 1: than that. So and I'll get the game in Buffalo
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 1: that's less than a coin flip. There's a lot the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 1: Patriots have to do to win that game. I think
• 1:17:13
  Speaker 1: that is a very difficult spot. That is a hard game. Okay,
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: the game here late in the season. Who knows where
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 1: the Bills will be at that should be a coin
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: I'd be disappointed if that game is not a coin flip.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 2: Are the Bills?
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 1: Maybe? What were the Bills favored by last year? When
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: I think they were favored in that game, right, it
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 1: was like maybe a point.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 2: Point both of them.
• 1:17:34
  Speaker 1: Well, but the first one we like the Patriots had established.
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 2: Them something that was there coming out part of.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: I'll look at what if the Bills are favored by
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 3: a point maybe as a coin flip.
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 2: To me, that is one of the most fun regular
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 2: season games I've ever covered and ever attended was the
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 2: game in Buffalo last year. It was awesome, great football game,
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 2: came down to the wire, huge statement win.
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 3: And then your team lost and you were crushed.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 2: The locker room was as.
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 1: It was bumping as almost as it was when they
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 1: won the playoff games. To be honest with you, like
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 1: that the place was now.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 2: A lot of that I think had to do with
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: with Digs and it being kind of a revenge game
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 2: for Digs, But in general, it was just it was
• 1:18:14
  Speaker 2: a fun night. It was a it was a really
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 2: fun night. They were over the moon about that game. Uh.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: Rodrigo emails in and he actually thinks that at the.
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 1: Time the Bills were were minus one and a half
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 1: okay for that game, So that's a that's about it.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: That's a coin flip.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: At one point here or there, it's a coin flip.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, you get two for being the home team.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 2: So they really thought the Bills are gonna win by
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 2: like a field goal.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 1: They on a neutral field. It was not a neutral field.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 3: It was here.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 2: Rodrigo emails in and he says that he actually thinks
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 2: that the early, the first Bills game is an easier
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 2: game for the Patriots. So the game in Buffalo, because
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: they have a new coach and they might not be
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 2: all you know, they're what continuity or whatever you want
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: to call it. They might not be up to speed yet. Now.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: I think the one reason, not the one reason, but
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: a big reason why they promoted from within with Joe
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 2: Brady was to seamlessly transition. Like if they had gone
• 1:19:20
  Speaker 2: maybe not Brian Dable, but if they had gone completely
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 2: outside of their tree, then I would have been I
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 2: could see what Rodrigo is saying a little bit more.
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: I think that they purposely picked the guy that was
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 2: going to.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 1: Kind of yeah, I just think that's that game is
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 1: the bit. That's that's the game you circle on the
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 1: calendar if you're the Bills. That's the big one. They
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: took your chain last year, like you're gonna get Buffo's
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: best punch but if Joe Brady's a mess, that opens
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: the door for sure.
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah. So a lot of questions obviously about AJ Brown.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 2: You want to do a quick AJ Brown reset of
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 2: where your AJ Brown thoughts are now on May twentieth
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 2: as we record this podcast. So at four o'clock on
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 2: June first, that was so, I mean, I believe it's
• 1:20:05
  Speaker 2: four o'clock on June first, and I think that Mike
• 1:20:07
  Speaker 2: Reeese confirmed that in his Sunday Notes last week. So
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: I had heard that that was it, but I wasn't
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 2: one hundred and ten percent on it. So I think
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 2: that that's the the day that it becomes turn page
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 2: right now, it's because then it will be on the
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: transaction wire for June second, right, so it has to
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 2: be after the first.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Deal has to be The deal cannot be official until
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: June second.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 2: Correct, So they could announce it as early as four
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 2: one on June.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 1: Because now the June first wire is cleared.
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 2: In y So we are what eleven twelve days? Right,
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 2: there's thirty one days in May, so there we are
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 2: were twenty days, Yeah, there's twelve days away from this.
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 2: Have you have your thoughts and feelings? It all changed
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 2: on AJ Brown. I know, in my opinion, I think
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 2: there's a lot of and I don't have any reporting myself,
• 1:20:58
  Speaker 2: and this is just my opinion. My opinion is that
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 2: this is a saga that generates clicks, that generates content
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 2: for this time of year. So a lot of these insiders,
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, Jacksonville is involved, and maybe Kansas
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: City will be involved, and maybe the Rams will get
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 2: back involved. To me, that's a lot of fodder at
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 2: this point in time. I still think they all say
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 2: that in their answers and they come back down to
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: but really the only team involved is the Patriots, right,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: you know, but they try to throw out all these
• 1:21:29
  Speaker 2: different possibilities. Where are you at with aj Brown as
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 2: of today?
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 1: Still the same? I mean, I really think you stare
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 1: if it doesn't get down on June first to four
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: to one pm or whenever, Like I'd spend a couple
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 1: of weeks staring Howie Roseman down, Yeah, and like, all right,
• 1:21:45
  Speaker 1: bring me to camp. Here's this twenty twenty seven second
• 1:21:48
  Speaker 1: bring me to camp if you want more than that,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 1: and like maybe that changes down the road, But if
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 1: there really are no other teams in on it, I
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 1: hate for the Patriots give up a first, even if
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: it's in twenty twenty eight, and if it becomes okay,
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: it's a second that becomes a first. If the Patriots
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 1: make the playoffs, that's five talking like an unprotected no
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 1: qualifiers first round pick. I'd hate for them to give
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 1: that up. But if it's twenty eight pick and that's
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: ultimately what it takes to get it done, I just
• 1:22:14
  Speaker 1: think after the season Drake May just had, you cannot
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 1: come back, and I think they're probably on par maybe
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 1: a little worse at wide receiver, tiny tiny bit than
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 1: they were last year because you're just counting on more
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 1: from Romeo Dobbs. You haven't seen him do. He's a
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: young guy.
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 3: He should get better, but it's not tangible.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: You cannot be as good or less than a wide
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: receiver around Drake May after what he gave you last year.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 3: So if it is a twenty twenty eight first, so
• 1:22:38
  Speaker 3: be it.
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 1: Just know that probably means they're trading back next year
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 1: in order to recoup some of the value. But if
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 1: they can get it, I still would like to see
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: them hold out and get it done for a second
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 1: round pick.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: And again, like, how are you gonna bring him in
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 3: a camp.
• 1:22:53
  Speaker 2: So are you twenty twenty seven second round pick or
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: a twenty twenty eight first, twenty seven second, twenty seven second,
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: So you just don't want to get up a first.
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 1: I think that's easier to recoup in the trade down
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, okay, I would do a
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 1: twenty eight first. I would not do twenty seven first,
• 1:23:12
  Speaker 1: just with what this draft could be. But the twenty
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 1: seven first, to me is option the table. And I
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: still again, if you make it conditional, even if the
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 1: twenty seven first, I would do conditionally because if it's
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 1: the twenty whatever pick, fine, whatever. I just want some protection,
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 1: Like if there's a bunch of injuries and suddenly they're
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: picking top ten this unbelievable draft. I don't think ours
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: going to be that bad, but if there's injuries and
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: things like that, so sure, that's the one spot, right,
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: I'd like to see them protect themselves.
• 1:23:41
  Speaker 3: Twenty eight first. I could live with that.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: That to me is like, and I've said this before
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: about them, I'm just just to be consistent, like Sprice
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: doing business. He's a hell of a player. You're not
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: going to get him for scraps. So I don't think
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: a second is scraps. I think a second is what's fair.
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: It's just a gay it's gonna be a game of chicken.
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: I don't think either is a ton of leverage, frankly,
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 1: or maybe they both have leverage. It's the leverage is even.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: I don't think that one side needs this deal to
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 1: happen more than the other. The Patriots again are okay
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 1: at receiver Steph Diggs is still out there. You know,
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 1: the Eagles, you know, have to get rid of them.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 1: I guess in theory he's still a good player. You
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 1: could bring him back. It might be awkward, you could
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: bring him back. So I don't think either side is
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: more leverage over the other. It just becomes a staring contest.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 2: I would say that the Eagles might just have slightly
• 1:24:29
  Speaker 2: more leverage just because they have the player. And I
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 2: understand your point of they probably don't want or need
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 2: or like there's a logjam that's been created there sort
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 2: of thing. But in theory, the Eagles could go into
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 2: next season with Brown, DeVante Smith and mckaye Lemon and
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 2: mkayle Lemon is complimentary enough to the that would just
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 2: be sick right, Like there's a way to just.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: Kind of make stuff Outsavian wis mixing n right.
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 2: You know, he's your fourth guy and whatever. As for
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 2: the Patriots, it does feel like you I would say
• 1:25:01
  Speaker 2: you took a small step back at wide receiver if
• 1:25:04
  Speaker 2: you don't get aj Brown, because it's sort of like
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 2: I was talking about them as a team earlier. Until
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 2: we see Romeo Dobbs replicate Stefon Diggs's production, we don't
• 1:25:13
  Speaker 2: know if Romeo Dobbs can truly replicate Stefon Diggs's production.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 2: He might be eighty percent as good as Stefan Diggs,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 2: which eight hundred yards instead of a thousand, and he's
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 2: younger and he's a little bit less of a headache,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 2: which might end up being worth it right in the
• 1:25:27
  Speaker 2: long run. But we don't know yet if he can
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 2: replicate it. I was looking this up yesterday or the
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 2: day before. I don't think people quite realize how like
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 2: absolute bonkers it is. A Stefan Diggs caught eighty three
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 2: percent of the passes ever thrown to him last year,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 2: eighty three percent, three percent completion rate throwing the ball
• 1:25:48
  Speaker 2: to Diggs last year, and even if.
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: He takes out the ones at the line of scrimmage.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 1: It's still like high seventies.
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 2: It is absolutely insane. Eighty three percent is a ridiculously
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 2: efficiently high number. So in asking rome Dobbs to come
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 2: in and completely replace that, it's not quite Jacobe Myers
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 2: to Juju Smith Schuster because I think a little bit
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 2: more of Romeo Dobbs and I did a Juju ro health.
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 2: I made that mistake though last time with that that swap, right,
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 2: I thought Juju would be better after the catch. I
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 2: thought Juju could replicate a lot of the same things
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: Jacobe Myers did could not have. That was probably one
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: of my worst takes of all time. Well, so I'm
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: not going to make I'm not gonna make that mistake twice.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 1: Though you're getting younger, it's about you are getting younger.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: I just that time, I really thought that Juju was
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: gonna be at least as good, if not better, And
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 2: I could not have been more wrong. Until you see
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 2: it with Romeo Dobbs, you can't make that assumption. So
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 2: if they only go into the season with Romeo Dobbs,
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 2: is they're only a one for one swap with the
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 2: fun Diggs. I say they got a little bit worse
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 2: at that position. So I do think that they I
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 2: don't know if I would go as far to say
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 2: that they like desperately need AJ Brown, But if they
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 2: really want to be a Super Bowl contender, again, I
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 2: think you kind of need AJ Brown. Now could they
• 1:27:04
  Speaker 2: pivot to digs right?
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 3: You need somebody. I don't think they need a J.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 2: Brown.
• 1:27:08
  Speaker 1: It could be caliber Brian Thomas Junior think come back.
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 1: I don't think so, but like they need somebody, but
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: it does not have to be AJ Brown.
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 2: It has to be somebody of that ilk, of that tier,
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 2: of that caliber. Uh So for that reason, i'd be
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 2: I'd say the Patriots have a little bit less leverage,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 2: so I would probably give up the twenty twenty when
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 2: I would give up the twenty twenty eight first. But
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 2: that's as much as I'm not doing that. I'm not
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 2: touching the pick and twenty twenty seven.
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 3: I'd give up twenty eight first.
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: That's it.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 3: I ultimately would do that, but I'd rather not the.
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 2: Thing I keep coming back to with it too, with
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 2: the twenty twenty eight first. Okay, let's say you have
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 2: a Commander season and you just have the year from
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 2: Hell and Drake May gets hurt and you just have
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 2: a horribly bad season, all right, You might just have
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 2: one of those years from hell in terms of injuries
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff that might, you know,
• 1:28:01
  Speaker 2: push you back to the middle because last year you
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 2: were pretty lucky in terms of health. But that doesn't change.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: I don't really think like how we view the talent
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 2: of the young players on the roster, like I still
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 2: think they're on the up, right, Like I still think
• 1:28:15
  Speaker 2: the Commanders could bounce back very easily this year. So
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 2: what are the odds that the Patriots trading the twenty
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 2: twenty eight first for AJ Brown? Is not what are
• 1:28:24
  Speaker 2: the odds that Patriots take a step back this year?
• 1:28:27
  Speaker 2: It's what are the odds of Patriots take a step
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 2: back in twenty eight?
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 3: Right?
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 2: So, if you have a year from hell in twenty seven,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 2: are you really gonna come back in twenty eight and
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 2: still be bad? Like you're still there? Because then you're
• 1:28:38
  Speaker 2: gonna get You're gonna have a top pick in twenty
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 2: twenty seven, which everybody thinks is a great draft. You're
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 2: gonna have cap space again, you're gonna be doing the
• 1:28:45
  Speaker 2: whole thing all over again, right right, and you have
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 2: one more hole fell swoop. I just can't imagine this
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 2: team with Mike Rabel and Drake may being bad in
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: twenty twenty eight, because if they're bad in twenty twenty eight,
• 1:28:55
  Speaker 2: that means the thing is going the wrong way, which
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: I don't think any of us feel like it is.
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 2: So that's why twenty twenty eight pick sort of dungc
• 1:29:03
  Speaker 2: cheeks or not, they're picking thirty second in twenty twenty eight.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: Are we really all going to be too upset that
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: they gave it up for A J. Brown? No, So
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: that's how I look at that.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: This email is from Barton Poland he said, is it crazy?
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: And these are hard to do because like you have
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: to remember all the other teams rosters and stuff like that.
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 2: But is it hard to Is it crazy to say
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 2: that if the Patriots get aj Brown, they would have
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: the second best wide receiver room in the AFC, only
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 2: behind Cincinnati. So I think everybody is an agreement then
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati probably has the best, right. Yeah, I would say
• 1:29:39
  Speaker 2: Denver now at Jalen Wattle has a very very good
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: one too.
• 1:29:42
  Speaker 1: Houston's well, I guess it depends on health.
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 2: Houston is up there in theory, so you know, Denver
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 2: Is Courtland and Jalen Wattle.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 1: And then kind of a competition between Troy Flanklan, Troy Flanklin,
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: why can't say that name, Pat Bryant and Marvin Mims.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: Right like it is that third guy. I'd say Pat
• 1:29:59
  Speaker 2: Bryant probably wins that out in Houston. I guess if
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 2: Tank Dell is healthy, Tank.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 3: Dell, Nico Collins, Xavier Hutchinson, Jalen Nole.
• 1:30:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah, the two Iowa State kids Jacksonville's you know to
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 2: BTJ and Theory, Jacobi Myers, Parker Washington, which isn't bad either.
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 2: You know, obviously we know what they have in uh
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 2: Cincinnati with Higgins Chase and Yoshi vas Uh. He mentioned though,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: sneaky dark horse at the Jets with Garrett Wilson, Omar
• 1:30:30
  Speaker 2: Cooper Junior and Adanai Mitchell. I don't think that that's
• 1:30:33
  Speaker 2: quite in that upper echelon tier. It's maybe you're sick.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 3: If Adie Mitchell could catch the ball.
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 2: It might be like a sneaky good team. Yeah, right,
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 2: like a team that is on the up and come
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 2: uh And then you know Bill's d J. Moore, Josh Palmer,
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 2: Khalil Sakur and no uh Ravens, Bateman, TZ Walker, Z
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 2: Flowers probably not. JA Blower's a good player, but you
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 2: know in uh CLEARLYND is probably the same category I'd
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 2: put them in as the Jets, like if Denzel Boston
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 2: and Casey Concepcion hit and there with Jerry Judy like
• 1:31:07
  Speaker 2: now you got you gotta you got a group, right,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 2: but you have to have those rookies hit. Pittsburgh, Metcalf, Pittman.
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 2: Bernard is not bad, but you need Bernard to hit. Yeah,
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 2: So I would say the Patriots A J. Brown, Romeo Dobbs,
• 1:31:22
  Speaker 2: you know, and then whatever Matt Collins, Kishon Boody, Kyle Williams,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: whoever ends up being the third and fourth guys there?
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 2: Pretty good? Pretty good. What do you think happens with
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: Kishon Boody?
• 1:31:34
  Speaker 3: I think he gets traded.
• 1:31:35
  Speaker 1: I just don't see.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: He assuming they get a J.
• 1:31:40
  Speaker 1: Brown, right, Yeah, so a J. Brown is gonna basically
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: take over his role. So you have a guy it's
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 1: gonna be on a very reduced role, is in a
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: contract year. He's not gonna be happy about that because
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 1: he wants to play and get an opportunity to get paid. Also,
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 1: are the Patriots really gonna pay him after trading a
• 1:31:55
  Speaker 1: first round pick for a J. Brown, And so you're
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: gonna hold on him for a year so you can
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: play like fifteen to twenty percent of the snaps and
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: then let him walk in free agency. And you know,
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: if he doesn't play, you're probably not gonna get really
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: cop pick because he's not gonna be worked that much.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 3: So you can get like a fifth round pick for him.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: Now they got four to six again next year, can
• 1:32:13
  Speaker 1: you do Booty in a six for a fourth something
• 1:32:15
  Speaker 1: like that? Yeah, I just good player, not trying to
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: rush him out the door. I just don't really see
• 1:32:23
  Speaker 1: the benefit of holding on to him.
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 2: So I don't see the benefit of holding on to
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 2: him for him or for the team because for him,
• 1:32:34
  Speaker 2: like you said, entering the last year of his rookie contract,
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 2: he hasn't really ever been a volume guy in New England,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: and now there's even less volume available to him. So
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 2: even if there's things break his way, there's an injury,
• 1:32:47
  Speaker 2: let's say he ends up being the third receiver, right,
• 1:32:49
  Speaker 2: it's Booty Douglas Dobbs, AJ Brown, You're still not really
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 2: getting the volume, right, You're still gonna be a guy
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 2: that's gonna catch like thirty five four passed five hundred yards,
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 2: like that's that's gonna be your stat line. So if
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 2: you're truly trying to make, you know, have that massive
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 2: payday next offseason, that's not gonna get you there. I
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: think the one thing I would say about Kaishan Boody
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: from the Patriots perspective, I don't think that we should
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: mix up the Patriots bad luck of drafting wide receivers
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 2: and you finally get a guy like Kaishan Boody to
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 2: sort a pan out, right, with that being that Kaishan
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 2: Boody is some like irreplaceable player, right Like, I think
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 2: those are two different things.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 1: I think you can get another player that'll give you
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: a Kishon Boody gives you a year or two if
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 1: you need that guy.
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 2: I just feel like we tend to overrate Kaishan Boody
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: a little bit because he's the one wide receiver pick,
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 2: and frankly, Pop Douglas is not too far behind. If
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 2: you look up Bob Douglas's numbers from last year, you'd
• 1:33:52
  Speaker 2: be surprised. It's a lot closer to Kaishan Boodies than
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 2: you would think. But those two guys together are really
• 1:33:59
  Speaker 2: the first time the Patriots have had solid draft picks
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 2: at that position in like forever, right, And so I
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 2: think that that kind of puts them on a little
• 1:34:08
  Speaker 2: bit of a pedestal when you really think about where
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 2: Kaishon Boody fits in like the hierarchy of the NFL
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: at that position. He's an NFL player, but he's not
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 2: anything super special. He's not irreplaceable, no, And I think
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: if he was something that the league viewed a little
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: bit higher, I think he already would have been traded.
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 2: I think there was a chance that he was going
• 1:34:30
  Speaker 2: to get traded on Draft weekend. I thought we might
• 1:34:32
  Speaker 2: come out of it.
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: I think that you got to wait till you get
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: because you trade him and then don't get a J. Brown,
• 1:34:36
  Speaker 1: now you're in trouble.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: I think there was a chance. I think that they've
• 1:34:39
  Speaker 2: been open to trading him all off season.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: I think you got to make sure you get AJ
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 1: Brown first. Maybe they've been exploring it knowing that they're
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 1: going to get a J. Brown, and they've been laying
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: the groundwork. You can't trade him without getting a J. Brown.
• 1:34:50
  Speaker 2: So I hear what you're saying, But like if they
• 1:34:55
  Speaker 2: traded Kishon Booty before they got aj Brown, you have
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 2: to gives some opportunity to Kyle Williams to potentially flourish. Sure, right,
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 2: and last year we can look at it statistically and say,
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: you know, Kyle Williams doesn't have a great chance of
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 2: being a breakout player because of what he did his
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 2: rookie year. There's not a lot of precedent from a
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 2: guy going from ten catches to being an NFL player,
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 2: you know, overnight, like.
• 1:35:20
  Speaker 3: Jean Body's kind of the one example.
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: Kayseean Boody might be the one example, but you could
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 2: also put it in context and say, well, he had digs,
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 2: he had Matt Collins, he had Keyshawn Booty, he had
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: veteran guys in front of him who were producing, and
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 2: he just didn't really have a great opportunity to get
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 2: on the field. And a couple of times that he
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 2: was targeted down the field in Baltimore, Uh, you know
• 1:35:42
  Speaker 2: the place is. You know there's one other catch right,
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: he had one other big one Giants, was it? I
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 2: remember the Baltimore one? He had one more?
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 1: You talking about Booty?
• 1:35:50
  Speaker 2: No, the Bucks? The Bucks? Oh yeah, bus Yeah, the
• 1:35:54
  Speaker 2: catch up Yeah, he had some flashes, right, some moments
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: of flashes. You know, if you trade k body without
• 1:36:01
  Speaker 2: getting a J. Brown, you are putting a lot of
• 1:36:03
  Speaker 2: stock in in Kyle Williams taking that next step. But
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: maybe you should be opening that pathway for him.
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 1: I don't know if that's putting all your eggs in
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 1: that basket. I like Kyle Williams.
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 2: I don't know that I'm that confident, Okay, fair enough,
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 2: So I do think that they've been trying to trade.
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 2: They would be open to trade, not trying open to
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 2: trade in Kishon Booty. Uh maybe for two offseasons. Honestly,
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 2: Like we heard some of this stuff last offseason too
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 2: when Rabel took over the team that they would were
• 1:36:29
  Speaker 2: trying to move off of Kishon Boody. So none of
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 2: this is really new. But I think that he, you know,
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 2: could go someplace else. If he's a hundred target guy,
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 2: is that does his production double right, you know? Or
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: is he truly a specialist.
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: He's I don't think he's somebody that's ever gonna be
• 1:36:46
  Speaker 1: a hundred target guy just because of the role he's
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: playing or because of the that's not that's not using
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 1: him at his best the question is if he plays
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: a full season, does he get to a thousand yards?
• 1:36:56
  Speaker 1: So like last year, his pace I think was and
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: he missed some time, but his pace had he played
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 1: the full season, I believe was just shy of a
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 1: thousand yards.
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: So his pace last year.
• 1:37:09
  Speaker 4: Was.
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, and this is including the game where he played
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 1: like one snap and got hurt. He had five hundred
• 1:37:19
  Speaker 1: yards in fourteen games. Yeah, it wasn't a thousand yards.
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 2: No, No, it definitely wasn't a thousand yards. I just
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 2: I wonder if they look at it and they are, like,
• 1:37:28
  Speaker 2: you know, Kyle, we believe in Kyle Williams. Still. Yeah,
• 1:37:32
  Speaker 2: we feel like last year it wasn't so much that
• 1:37:36
  Speaker 2: he couldn't have played more and couldn't have had more volume.
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 2: There was just other guys in front of him. It
• 1:37:42
  Speaker 2: was sort of a circumstantial thing versus like he just
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 2: didn't break out early enough. Right, Maybe that's the way
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 2: they look at it all.
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 2: This email is from David.
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: He said, hang on real quick, I finally have a
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 1: Kishan booties pace last year was six hundred and seventy yards. Yeah,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: but on what he had on forty six targets, so
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: he had fifty six total targets last year.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 3: No, he had forty six total.
• 1:38:09
  Speaker 1: His pace, lad, had he played that pace all seventy games,
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 1: is a little higher because I can't sort out that
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 1: one game he got hurt.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 3: So round up a little bit.
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 1: Call it about sixty catches, seven hundred yards, seven touchdowns.
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 1: That's a good season. But that's not a Brown is
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 1: going to give you more age. Brown should give you more.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 2: Oh, absolutely, all right, So this is from David, he
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 2: said he recently we recently said that the top remaining
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 2: needs on the team are safety, linebacker, guard, and maybe
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 2: more cornerback depth after the offseason, assuming the roster remains
• 1:38:39
  Speaker 2: intact going into the twenty twenty seven offseason, would those
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 2: three to four positions still be the top needs or
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: depending on contract situations or other positions, could you see
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: that shift? So basically, do you think that linebacker, safety, guard,
• 1:38:54
  Speaker 2: corner is the positions we're going to be talking about
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 2: in February of twenty twenty seven?
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 1: Linebackers, I gotta just look up the UH. I don't
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 1: know off the top of my head whose contracts are.
• 1:39:05
  Speaker 2: Up, So I'll just say while you're looking that up
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 2: for UH, I'll just say that. I think that it
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: always shifts based off of positional value. Like I'm not
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 2: gonna be baiting the table next off season unless they
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 2: are so set everywhere because everything hits again and like
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 2: everybody's good again, you know, the whole draft class everything.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 2: I'm never gonna sit here and say that they should
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 2: draft the guard in the first round. This is not
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 2: gonna be me, right, So they're picking like thirty first,
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 2: thirty second. I guess I could be more convinced.
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: All right, So what were the four again?
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 2: Guard, linebackers, safety.
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 1: Corner, guard, linebacker, safety, corner, receiver might end up being
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 1: a need. They just have a lot of guys expiring,
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: not at number one, but they're gonna need more depth. Yeah, Hollins,
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: booty if he stays, and Pop are all on expiring contracts,
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: tight end, if Hunter Henry leaves, they will see what
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: appens to Julian Hill.
• 1:39:55
  Speaker 3: You might need somebody alongside you. I rear it in.
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: You had edge in there, you had safety in there,
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 1: you had corner in there, you had linebacker.
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe nose tackle.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 2: So I would just say, is accus the hit? I
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: don't and and by within that acus being a hit
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 2: in what way, right, Like is he like a rugged, sturdy,
• 1:40:22
  Speaker 2: edge setting presence but not really like a true sack artist, right,
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 2: If that's what he is, I still think the guy
• 1:40:30
  Speaker 2: that can get you double digit sacks every single season
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 2: is a big need.
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: I would even say if he is, even if Acus
• 1:40:36
  Speaker 1: is a hit, you still would want the other thing.
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 1: Landry's going to last year with his deal. I don't
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: think he's guaranteed money. Right, So you're talking about Draymond
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: Jones at thirty years old, gave accis, whatever happens with
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: Braden Swinson, Elijah Ponder, I guess that's kind of you
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: still need another guy.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I still need another guy.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: So I think that this year they're kind of going
• 1:40:58
  Speaker 2: to roll with those four or five guys, and it
• 1:40:59
  Speaker 2: is what it is at this point. But edge rusher
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 2: next off season being sort of like again like a
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: finishing piece type of thing, right where you just get
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 2: the guy, the finisher, the Matthew Judah that's gonna come
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 2: in and get the actual sack in the play. I
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: still think we'll be up there. I would say defensive tackle.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 2: By next off season, it canna be another one. I
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: don't know what Christian Barmore's long term future is with
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: the team. Milton Williams is going to be a year older.
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 2: What's behind those two guys? You know, does Corey Durden
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: take a next step, Does Leonard Taylor take a next step?
• 1:41:33
  Speaker 2: Does Joshua Farmer take a next step? So building depth
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: and also maybe looking up for Barmore's like kind of
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: long term replacement would be on that list. And then
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 2: I still think Corner will definitely be in the other
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 2: top because Carlton Davis is going to be a year older,
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 2: his contract is gonna be effectively up. Yeah, that would
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 2: be what he signed a.
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: Three or four three year deal, but there's he has
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 1: one more. He's under contract for twenty seven, but with
• 1:41:58
  Speaker 1: no guaranteed money.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that makes sense. So I would still think that
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 2: going into next off season, Corner is probably going to
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 2: be pretty close to the top of the list. Yeah,
• 1:42:08
  Speaker 2: you're gonna want to get a guy in here long term.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 2: That is Christian Gonzalez's wingman, and we'll see what happens
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 2: with the Gonzales contract. To be frank about that too.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, they don't resentd him now. Corners probably corners you
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 1: number one need if they didn't bring him back.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 2: Well, let's let's hope we don't get to that point.
• 1:42:25
  Speaker 2: We did have some some Celtics questions in here that
• 1:42:29
  Speaker 2: we're getting very I'm trying to find him getting very popular.
• 1:42:33
  Speaker 2: Everybody wants our Celtics opinions. I know, I know everybody does.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 2: But we're an hour and forty two minutes into a
• 1:42:39
  Speaker 2: show on May twenties, so I think it's time really
• 1:42:42
  Speaker 2: quickly before we get into this actual the Celtics themselves.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 2: I have to say what I witnessed Victor Wembayama do
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: the other night was probably something I've never seen in
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: my life on a basketball court is excellent. I mean
• 1:42:58
  Speaker 2: it's not just like the stats or the stats. It
• 1:43:01
  Speaker 2: was a double overtime game, so the fact that he
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 2: had forty twenty in a double overtime game, he played
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: a whole extra quarter of basketball. But it was just like,
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: you know, this is an eye test thing, which I
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 2: think a lot of basketball people right now are probably
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 2: talking about it on their podcast, like to have somebody
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 2: that is that big and that tall and that long,
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: and I think he's probably closer to like they say,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: he's six seven seven to six. Sorry, Yeah, it's so crazy.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 2: I can't.
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but I think he might be like even taller
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 1: than that, and to move that smoothly, like to be
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 1: that fluid and like almost move like a wing player,
• 1:43:39
  Speaker 1: but at seven to six is patently absurd. Like that is,
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 1: and like I feel like I keep seeing all these
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 1: comps like, oh, well, like Shaq was this dominant, or
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: a Keeam was this dominant, or a Kareem was this dominant,
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 1: or Wilt was this dominant? Like this is like the
• 1:43:56
  Speaker 1: evolution of those players. Like I loved Shaquille O'Neil growing,
• 1:44:01
  Speaker 1: I'm sure you did too. Yeah, Oh, he's like my
• 1:44:02
  Speaker 1: favorite basketball player.
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 2: Shaquille Neil wasn't pulling up from thirty feet, No, it
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: would have been cool, though he was not. He could
• 1:44:08
  Speaker 2: barely shoot a free throw for a lot of his career,
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: let alone hitting a game tying shot in the like
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 2: closing seconds of an overtime from thirty feet right. It
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: was really ridiculous that being said, I heard your boy
• 1:44:25
  Speaker 2: Felger talking about this yesterday. The NBA moves really really quickly,
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 2: and I think that as a Celtics fan, I think
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: a lot of people's take away from that with Wemby
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: was like, oh God, like the San Antonio is going
• 1:44:36
  Speaker 2: to control the league for the next decade, We're all screwed.
• 1:44:40
  Speaker 2: I heard that about a lot of different people.
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 3: Including the Celtics.
• 1:44:42
  Speaker 2: I've heard that about the Celtics. I heard about that
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 2: about about the Joker in Denver when he won his title.
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: You heard that a little bit about this OKAC team
• 1:44:50
  Speaker 2: last year into this year, and now all of a
• 1:44:53
  Speaker 2: sudden they're down one oh loss at home. It's a
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: very very quick moving league that changes rapidly.
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: The tricky thing with Wemby is going to be, and
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 1: I mean the people point too, he doesn't have the
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 1: numbers in the regular season because he only plays twenty
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: something minutes to night. Yeah, and that's part of what
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 1: made that so impressive, Like he wasn't on the floor
• 1:45:13
  Speaker 1: a lot, and then he comes out, he and it
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 1: was forty eight minutes, right or forty nine minutes he
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 1: played essentially a full game.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 3: He only averaged twenty nine per game during the regular season.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 1: Because the thing all these and this is why when
• 1:45:25
  Speaker 1: he came out, like my thing on Wemby was, I
• 1:45:27
  Speaker 1: don't know if he's going to live up to expectations. One,
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 1: because the expectations so astronomically high. I'm pretty sure you
• 1:45:33
  Speaker 1: you were already questioning him like a year ago for
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 1: not winning any playoff game.
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 2: No, that wasn't it. No, No, that was I remember
• 1:45:38
  Speaker 2: you were standing in the tunnel over there, no talking about.
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 1: My question is he going to stay healthy and have
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 1: a full career because we've seen a lot of these
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: massive guys Yao Ming, even somebody like chat Holmgren who
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: struggled to stay healthy.
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 3: But Yeao Ming, yeah, I guess that works like these.
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: Long but these big lengths that.
• 1:45:54
  Speaker 2: Really is porzingis.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: And I remember there's been other guys that kind of
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 1: had this makeup but didn't pan out fun Maker Bowl Bowl,
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 1: and they can't stay healthy because it's just physically difficult
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 1: to be built that way and compete this way. So
• 1:46:13
  Speaker 1: that game the other night from Wembenyam was awesome. I
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 1: don't mean this to knock him. It's a legitimate question,
• 1:46:17
  Speaker 1: and it's gonna the Spurs training staff is gonna be
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 1: in the front and center of This's like, can he
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 1: do that for an entire playoffs? Can he do that
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 1: for eight to ten to twelve years? And that's what's
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 1: going to be fascinating about it. None of these guys,
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 1: and he might be better the best version of them
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 1: in terms of his skill, but none of these massive,
• 1:46:38
  Speaker 1: lanky guys that have come through the NBA in the
• 1:46:40
  Speaker 1: last ten years have truly managed to stay healthy. Por Zingis,
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 1: I think, is about as good as you can ask.
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 1: And Webenyama has already had some injury issues.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: You got shut down last year, well, I mean, which
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 2: is what I was talking all the regular season long.
• 1:46:54
  Speaker 2: And I think a big reason why he wasn't quite know,
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 2: you know more in the running for MVP is because
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 2: he really played on a minute.
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 3: Restriction the hell out of him. He only played sixty
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 3: four games.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: He actually only played like thirty minutes a night, and
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: that is thirty of the most impactful that might be
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: in an age where loage management is such a big thing.
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: It's gonna be interesting to see how the NBA juggles this,
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: Like that's gonna be what makes it. He might have
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 1: to that just might be his career for the regular season.
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 3: That might be what he has to do.
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 1: But okay, he played forty nine minutes the other night,
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: Like what does the rest of the series now look like?
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: And so I was that was I was blown oway.
• 1:47:29
  Speaker 2: I tested you. I think at the end of the
• 1:47:31
  Speaker 2: fourth quarter in the first overtime he looked to me,
• 1:47:34
  Speaker 2: he looked gasts at the end of the game to
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: use it.
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: He was. In the second overtime he completely took to
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: use the phrase that you like to use that. Let
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 1: finally let the Ferrari out of the garage.
• 1:47:43
  Speaker 2: They did, they had to.
• 1:47:45
  Speaker 1: They're gonna be really interesting to see how it plays
• 1:47:48
  Speaker 1: out when he can play. When he plays, he's the
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 1: best player in the league. There's nobody that can do
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: what he does, period, full stop. He's the best player.
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 1: He's doing things that maybe nobody ever has been able
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 1: to do. Yeah, but again it's just how long, both
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 1: in the short term and the long term. How long
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 1: is he going to be able to do that?
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I think the other thing about San Antonio that
• 1:48:10
  Speaker 2: that makes them so scary though, is like in theory
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: they can be like a sixty win team. Yeah, with
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: Dylan Harper and Stefan Castles play.
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Stefan castle can freaking play.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 2: In the regular season like they need. Like it's kind
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 2: of like the twenty twenty four Celtics, like the twenty
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: twenty four. Celtics needed Porzingis to like get over the playoffs, right, Yeah,
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 2: But they didn't need Porzingis to be a sixty five
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: win team in the regular season, right. They needed Porzingis
• 1:48:35
  Speaker 2: in June. And I think the San Antonio thing, like
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 2: they're going to be very very competitive, just with those
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: two guys Castle and Harper, who are also super young,
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 2: and we're also high lottery picks, and like their their
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 2: bench mob that wemb can kind of like up the
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 2: minutes in the playoffs when it counts and be just fine.
• 1:48:55
  Speaker 2: Here are the questions on the Celtics. Is it dumb?
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 2: Number one? Quick three questions from adam Aiden? Sorry, is
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: it dumb to switch from trading for Giannis uh to
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 2: trading for Miles Turner who's also on the Bucks.
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 1: I love Myles Turner. You're not trading Jalen Brown for him? No,
• 1:49:12
  Speaker 1: that's a different trade, very different. I've always liked Miles
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: Turner's game. I think he's a good fit for what
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: they do. He never got out of Indy.
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 3: He was supposed to be here?
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 1: Was that?
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 2: Which trade?
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: Was that that they bossed the last second?
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 2: A million?
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 3: What was like reported? He was here and then something
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 3: that they have.
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 2: Been linked to Miles Turner for as long as Miles
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 2: Turner he has been in the league. I feel like
• 1:49:33
  Speaker 2: they've just been He's been like one of those guys
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 2: with the Celtics that every single time Miles Turner's name
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 2: came up in trade rumors, it was somehow linked to
• 1:49:40
  Speaker 2: the Celtics. I love.
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 3: I would love to see Miles Turner.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 1: He's a real center, but he's modern enough, and he plays,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 1: He shows up, he plays, he plays every night.
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 2: So two things on Miles Turner. I believe, and I
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 2: don't have the contract right in front of me, but
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 2: I believe that he would fit into their twenty seven
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 2: million dollar trade exemption.
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 1: Who would so, well, yeah, he signed a four year
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: Well a max player like Giannis wouldn't, right, Okay, he
• 1:50:06
  Speaker 1: signed a four year, one hundred and nine million dollar
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 1: contract last year, So yeah, it's so, I think.
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 2: He would fit into the trade exemption. So in theory,
• 1:50:15
  Speaker 2: you could add Miles Turner without sending out salary.
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 1: So you could.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 2: Do some sort of player and picks for Miles Turner
• 1:50:26
  Speaker 2: and not really give up a whole lot for him.
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 2: They the Bucks did this weird thing with Miles Turner
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 2: where they acquired Miles Turner and like did some crazy
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 2: like they stretched Dramian Lillard and they made all these
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 2: moves to get Miles Turner in Milwaukee, and at least
• 1:50:42
  Speaker 2: the first year Miles Turner in Milwaukee, it it was terrible.
• 1:50:45
  Speaker 1: He's not a fit there.
• 1:50:47
  Speaker 2: It just didn't work.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 1: You can't have him and Giannis on the floor at
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: the same time.
• 1:50:50
  Speaker 2: So maybe they're looking to move Miles Turner. I think
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 2: a move like that, though I don't know if it
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 2: will be Miles Turner. Yeah, but a move for like
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 2: a true starting big man like that, preferably one that
• 1:51:01
  Speaker 2: maybe fits into that twenty seven million dollar trade exemption.
• 1:51:05
  Speaker 2: Maybe it's a sign and trade with one of there
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 2: are a couple of free agent centers that are gonna
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 2: be available. Those things actually make a lot of sense.
• 1:51:12
  Speaker 2: If they're not going to make like the big Jalen
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 2: Brown for Giannis splash, like, if they're just going to
• 1:51:16
  Speaker 2: add to their current team a little bit, then something
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 2: like a Miles Turner type trade, you know, Gafford in Dallas,
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 2: like something like that would make a little bit of sense.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 1: Sure.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 2: Second one, if Joe doesn't change his offensive approach. Does
• 1:51:31
  Speaker 2: Brad Stevens is Joe on the hot seat?
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: Should be? I mean, I don't know how you listen
• 1:51:35
  Speaker 1: to that press conference and not think so Brad Stevens
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: ender of your press conference. Like the question is going
• 1:51:40
  Speaker 1: to be as if and where I think that that
• 1:51:42
  Speaker 1: was going, Like if they're not making the strategic adjustments
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 1: based on the roster changes they make, just Brad Stevens
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 1: start to meddle. And that was the big question when
• 1:51:52
  Speaker 1: Brad Stevens got promoted whatever you want to call it,
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 1: to this job is like he's a coach at heart.
• 1:51:57
  Speaker 1: Is he going to be two meddling and come downstairs
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: too much? Likes it and he's been great with that
• 1:52:02
  Speaker 1: from everything we've heard, Like that's never really been an issue,
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 1: but this is it. There wasn't really a time for
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 1: it to be an issue until now. So how did
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 1: It's a fine line to walk. You can't if you
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: see things that be doing being done wrong, you got
• 1:52:17
  Speaker 1: to fix it. But you can't totally, you know whatever.
• 1:52:21
  Speaker 1: The opposite of empower is disempower your coach. Yeah, so
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 1: that's gonna be you hope it doesn't get there. If
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: it does get there, I'll be very curious to see
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 1: what Brad Stevens does. That would be Uh, that's gonna
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 1: be one of the more fascinating storylines this upcoming season
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: for me.
• 1:52:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. I mean, I think you have to
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 2: have in the modern NBA, you have to have the
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 2: three pointer be a pretty big part of your offense.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 2: It doesn't need to be as big of a part
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 2: as the self extent made it.
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: This is what I go back to when you need
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 1: too many threes whatever. If you want the three ball
• 1:52:53
  Speaker 1: to be your main thing, fine, you have to have
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: something else when it's not falling and they have nothing else.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 2: So the question that I would have for Brad Stevens,
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: and he kind of answered this a little bit at
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 2: his press conference, but the question that I would have
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 2: for Brad Stevens and like not press conference Brad Stevens,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 2: like Truecierra and Brad Stevens, is are the three pointers
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 2: a result of a system that they are implementing or
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 2: the three pointer as a result of roster construction? Right?
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: Like do they especially the team last year? The team
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: last year? Like who who was scoring inside for that
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: team last year?
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 1: I would have liked it they didn't have the back
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 1: to the basket guy. I think they had guys Jalen Brown,
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 1: especially Jalen Brown was the one guy who were slashers
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 1: who could get to I. Now what Steven said is
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 1: like a true rim presence, which is different, right, So
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 1: I think that's what he really wants, because like I
• 1:53:42
  Speaker 1: think all these people that want like paint touches and
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: watch them to score inside, well, like two years ago
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 1: when they had porzingis like they had a guy that
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: could do that. I don't know if the twenty twenty
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: five twenty twenty six Celtics really had a player like
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: that that could do it himself. Like Nimi Keita can
• 1:53:57
  Speaker 1: catch lobs and stuff like that, but he's not posting
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 1: guys up and he's not hickeen, Like, he's not going
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: to start making moves down there, right, So I think
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: that it's a kind of a chicken or the egg thing.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 1: I think they became really three point happy over the
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 1: last two seasons partially because they really didn't have a
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 1: scoring big man, Like, they didn't really have an interior
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 1: presence to their offense.
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 2: They were a perimeter offense. So if you add that
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 2: different element to it, does it naturally pivot right like.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: It's not so much about a system like it does
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 2: it just naturally go in a more stable direction. Last question,
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: here is a football question. So everybody can get mad
• 1:54:34
  Speaker 2: that got mad at us for talking ten minutes of
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: basketball in may Can. Here's a football question for you.
• 1:54:40
  Speaker 1: Even when the Pats get AJ Brown, do you think
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 1: McDaniels would move him like Edeman or play him.
• 1:54:46
  Speaker 2: More like Moss. Well, I think he'll play him more
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: like Moss personally. You know, I think Edelman is that
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 2: you say that or email? No, I'm saying that. I
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 2: think he'll be more I think if they have a J.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: Brown and Romeo Dobbs, it is a little lesser of
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 2: a version of Edelman Welker or Welker and Moss. Excuse me,
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: where AJ Brown is Moss, Romeo Dobs is Welker, and
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 2: you're have a underneath like chain moving guy, and then
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 2: you have like your big play guy, and the big
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 2: play guy's AJ Brown. The chain moving guy is Romeo Dobs.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: So that's how I feel. A Darius in Louisville. Uh,
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 2: it says.
• 1:55:22
  Speaker 1: The subject line of this email is Evan come on man,
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: So there you go, Evan, your affection and love for
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 1: Patty Mahomes and Josh Allen is pretty weird.
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 5: Bro.
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: I'm just saying I would love to know, Like, what
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 2: do you think is weird about it? Well, it's it's
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: pretty weird. Like that's a pretty vague.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: You refuse, you refuse to criticize them.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: I refuse to criticize them. I just think they're really
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: really good.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 3: Is that you refuse, especially Alan, you refuse to criticize.
• 1:55:47
  Speaker 2: And like, is that is that a horrible thing for
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 2: me to say that Josh Allen's a good quarterback.
• 1:55:52
  Speaker 1: Not historically entering the twenty twenty six season as Drake
• 1:55:55
  Speaker 1: may in their class not yet?
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 3: Okay, I think a lot of people would disagree.
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 2: I don't think Patrick Mahomes is in that class anymore
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: right now. I think, to be fair, I right, the
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 2: best quarterback in the league. It's I mean, like after
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: the year Stafford just had, it's hard to like not
• 1:56:13
  Speaker 2: put him in the conversation because normally I think that
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 2: the pantheon right now is Lamar, Allen, Mahomes, Burrow right Like,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like those four guys are usually held on
• 1:56:26
  Speaker 2: the estire staff.
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: Was it was Brady Rogers Breeze and Peyton, well Peyton
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: and then I guess later on.
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 3: I don't know Rivers whoever you want to throw in there.
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 1: So until Patrick Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, I think
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: that we're seeing that turnover in Burrow. We're seeing that
• 1:56:44
  Speaker 1: turnover again. That's what's happening now. So if we are
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 1: going Mount Rash, Wore's right, Alan Mahomes, Burrow, Lamar has
• 1:56:54
  Speaker 1: definitely been for the last let's call it three to
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 1: five years.
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 3: Since the end of the Brady Breeze Rogers.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: That's that's been the Mount rushmore. So, I guess my
• 1:57:03
  Speaker 2: question is is Matthew Stafford not is he did he
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 2: knock on the door?
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 1: He's kind of his own thing because of his age,
• 1:57:10
  Speaker 1: because of his age. Yeah, So here's my bigger questions is.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: This is an interesting topic that we brought up with Mahomes.
• 1:57:17
  Speaker 5: The only one out of those four who's won a
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 5: Super Bowl since that takeover.
• 1:57:21
  Speaker 2: He's the only one that's won a Super Bowl.
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 3: Brady Brady was.
• 1:57:24
  Speaker 2: The only one.
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 1: Years.
• 1:57:28
  Speaker 5: What doesn't get thrown into that.
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 2: Hurts more next year.
• 1:57:33
  Speaker 1: It's trying to think of who the Brady quit Maybe
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 1: like Joe Flacco type.
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 2: Like like, Hurts.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 1: Had a tough year last year. So I'm just saying
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 1: from that group, like, so here's my question, Jal Hurts.
• 1:57:44
  Speaker 1: Since Mahomes, Lamar, Alan and Burrow displaced Slash, the retirement
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 1: of Brady Manning, Breeze, Rogers, sure has the next group,
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 1: which is who may.
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: Williams, Jaden Daniels, Jade Daniels.
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  Speaker 1: I'm trying to there's there's gotta be one or two
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  Speaker 1: of that. Weren't exactly that draft, like maybe like a
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  Speaker 1: Jordan Love or not Young. I think Herbert maybe, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: but Herbert was the same, No, he was a little
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  Speaker 1: later like Herbert. Is that group is the Lamar, Mahomes,
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  Speaker 1: Allen Burrough group. Are they still at the peak or
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  Speaker 1: are they closer to getting pushed out and supplanted by
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  Speaker 1: the next guys, because I think that's knocking whoever that
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  Speaker 1: I think they're probably the group knocking on the door.
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  Speaker 1: I think they're in their peak right now, but they're
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  Speaker 1: like to use you to go to your side to
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  Speaker 1: use a golf analogy. Are they on like whole eight
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  Speaker 1: or nine and they're about to make the turn? Like
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  Speaker 1: I think they've made the turn.
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  Speaker 2: So you think they've made Mahomes might have made it
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  Speaker 2: the turn because I don't know what's going on with Mahomes.
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  Speaker 2: It's going on Burrow Well, Burrow can't stay healthy.
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  Speaker 3: That's part of it.
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  Speaker 1: Is Burrow.
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  Speaker 2: Burrow's Andrew Luck.
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  Speaker 1: No, he's accomplished more than Andrew Luck.
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  Speaker 2: Has you think no?
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  Speaker 1: He He kind of might be Breeze because Breeze was
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  Speaker 1: banged up a lot at the end, but Breeze won
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  Speaker 1: a super Bowl.
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  Speaker 3: Breeze did win a super Bowl.
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  Speaker 2: The only difference between Burrow Andrew Luck lost his AFC
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  Speaker 2: Championship game.
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  Speaker 3: In Burrow, one torch is being passed.
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  Speaker 2: So I think that Drake May. I think Matthew Stafford
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  Speaker 2: is kind of in his own Stafford kind of bridged.
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  Speaker 1: He's his own grandpa, right, He's like over here somewhere
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  Speaker 1: in the old age home.
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  Speaker 2: That's still awesome. I don't know when to put him.
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  Speaker 1: Stafford's he's younger, He's not in the Brady Mahomes, Breeze
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  Speaker 1: Rogers generation.
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  Speaker 3: To me, he's younger than that, but he's obviously older.
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  Speaker 2: Than everybody else.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he's kind of an in between here.
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  Speaker 2: So the question is is can basically can the twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four draft guys, right, Drake uh Cale, Williams, Jenden Daniels.
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  Speaker 2: Can they or is that twenty t five draft? Twenty
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  Speaker 2: twenty four? Twenty five?
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  Speaker 1: No?
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  Speaker 2: Twenty fives? Will Campbell twenty four? I had it right
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  Speaker 2: the first time, twenty four draft? Can those three guys
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  Speaker 2: surpass some of these guys.
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  Speaker 3: This year the seventeen eighteen nineteen drafts?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah? Well see, but I think most people feel like Burrow, Allen,
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  Speaker 2: Mahomes Jackson is like the S tier, and then Stafford's
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  Speaker 2: like I'm saying, for how much iron is what will
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  Speaker 2: be interesting to see. I don't know what's weird about
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  Speaker 2: me just admitting that those guys are good at football,
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  Speaker 2: because that's a problem.
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  Speaker 1: You get very sorry, like you almost take pride in
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  Speaker 1: how good they are. It's very weird, like an apologies.
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  Speaker 3: You act kind of proud about how good Josh Allen is.
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  Speaker 1: I do stand it because I was are right about him.
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  Speaker 2: That's why you're right about Drake May too.
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  Speaker 3: You're not acting that proud about Drake May.
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  Speaker 2: Because Jake May was. I I guess they were probably
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  Speaker 2: both pretty kind of polarizing. I feel like Josh Allen
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  Speaker 2: was more polarizing.
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  Speaker 1: Josh Allen's more polarizing because that draft class was different
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  Speaker 1: and he also went to Wyom and he went to Wyoming.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, alright, it's a good question though that we did
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  Speaker 2: in the last thirty seconds of the show. I wish
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  Speaker 2: we had gotten to that one a little.
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  Speaker 1: People stuck around during the basketball talk got a reward.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah they did, that's true. All Right, we're gonna be
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  Speaker 2: back next week. Show announcement for next week, so the
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  Speaker 2: Patriots are going to have their first OTA. The media
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  Speaker 2: is going to be attending that first OTA, so that's
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  Speaker 2: gonna be early afternoon, probably between like twelve and two,
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  Speaker 2: when we're normally on the air. So next week's show
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  Speaker 2: is going to be from three to five pm. Three
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  Speaker 2: to five pm on Wednesday, Go ahead, Alex and I
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  Speaker 2: go out and watch practice, and then the whole show
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  Speaker 2: will be about recapping practice and what we saw. So
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  Speaker 2: that'd be fun. I'll be exciting. I actually have some
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  Speaker 2: semblance of football new football to react to. So next
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  Speaker 2: week's show three to five pm, right after the Patriots
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  Speaker 2: first OTA. Reacting to that Patriots first OTA, p you
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