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- 0:00I have joining me right now, author and columnist at the Toronto Sun and
- 0:03National Post, Warren Kinsella, who has a new column that is out.
- 0:07It's entitled Israel Haters have Truth in their crosshairs after the October seven Hamas attack.
- 0:13Warren, how are you good, my friend? Thanks for having me
- 0:17on. Thank you so much for joining me here. So I'll let you
- 0:20speak just right off the bat here. What's this column all about? Well,
- 0:23basically, he had released my political experiences. You know, I was
- 0:26a special assisiant to Jean Chritcia, and I've helped run lots of campaigns over
- 0:31many years. And you know, when you're in politics for a long time,
- 0:34whether you're a liberal or atory or a new Democrat, you get pretty
- 0:37good at spotting money in organization. Whether it's at a rally or a protest
- 0:43or a campaign office. You can tell who's got it together and who's got
- 0:47money and who doesn't. And what I noticed almost immediately after the tragedy the
- 0:52atrocities of October seventh, was the anti Israel group, who used to be
- 0:58pretty small and ragged tag and pretty disorganized, turn into this global propaganda machine
- 1:04with professional looking graphics and what look like tested messages and organizers and just an
- 1:11obvious ton of money. And they were doing this on a coordinated global basis.
- 1:17And that's kind of stuff I can tell you in politics and business.
- 1:21Who does not happen just organically. It doesn't happen spontaneously. So I've been
- 1:26writing about that for months for post Media and the anti Israel folks they don't
- 1:33like it. And you know, if they object to anything, you know,
- 1:36I could say that they're pro Hamas, they don't say boo. I
- 1:38could say that they hate Israel, the Jewish state. They don't say anything.
- 1:42As soon as you say that Iran in Qatar and other outlaw nations are
- 1:49funding this type of activity on a global scale. These guys they go bananas,
- 1:53they lose their mind and they object to that. And so we've been
- 1:57subjected to an astro turf campaign at post Media because of what I've been writing,
- 2:01and it tells us we're getting pretty close to our target. You know,
- 2:05I love how you start off the column, and I guess I'm also
- 2:07just a little bit jealous of it as well, because you're able to really
- 2:10paint a nice narrative. What's the old military saying? You say, you
- 2:14know you're over target when you're taking flack, when you're taking flax, So
- 2:19you know, as you're close to your target, you know, that's when
- 2:22they're really trying to take you out. And that goes back to World War
- 2:25Two when we the Allies were fighting to defeat you know, Nazism and you
- 2:31know, those who were promoting anti Semitism again on a massive scale, and
- 2:37the same thing happened here. John, is not just for me, but
- 2:39for my colleagues too. As soon as you kind of start trying to figure
- 2:44out who the Wizard of Oz is, you know, who's behind the curtain
- 2:46running this show and paying for it. Because it is a professional propaganda campaign,
- 2:53the likes of which I've never seen in my lifetime. As soon as
- 2:55we start writing about that, that's the thing they get most upset about.
- 3:00And that tells us that, you know, we're getting close to our target.
- 3:02And you know, it did start pretty well. The next day on
- 3:07October the eighth, we saw this very organized, you know, as you
- 3:12said, global campaign. But you know, as you mentioned, in politics,
- 3:16things cost money. Things cost money to actually print placards and signs,
- 3:21for example, And when you see you know, a lot of people,
- 3:23all carrying the same signs in a lot of cases, with the same messaging
- 3:29that have been designed and printed. It shows that there is some kind of
- 3:32an organization there, because how do you have that all ready to go so
- 3:37quickly. Well, let me tell you a story about one group, just
- 3:39one group that I've written about called the Plenty Collective in Victoria, BC.
- 3:45You know, it's a typical kind of far left organization, and they made
- 3:49a mistake. They slipped and they left their website portal open, and they
- 3:53were advertising that they were prepared to pay people to come in protest against Israel,
- 3:59up to twenty thousand dollars a month they were spending on protesters and organizers,
- 4:03and then became implicated other groups on Vancouver Island, and you know,
- 4:10and then I discovered the same things happening in New York City and around New
- 4:14York City. It's happening in Montreal, It's happening all around the planet.
- 4:16And I'm not saying that every protester isn't out there on their own. You
- 4:20know, some are, many are maybe, but many of them are being
- 4:25paid to be there, so in affect, they're actors. And it calls
- 4:28into question, you know, the whole operation, how sincere these people are.
- 4:31And I think you know that's the thing that whoever the Wizard of Oz
- 4:35is behind the curtain, that's the thing that they want to cover up.
- 4:40So you're taking all this flak here at post Media. It's an organized campaign.
- 4:45While that at all deter your writing and reporting, No, not a
- 4:49chance. I've been writing with this stuff, as you know, for more
- 4:51than thirty years. I've had rifles, gems in my chest and multiple bomb
- 4:56threats and death threats and the whole bit, and they haven't gotten me yet.
- 5:00And it's important this story get told and because you know, clearly there's
- 5:04some terrible things going on, shooting up the schools, Jewish schools in Montreal,
- 5:10firebombing of Jewish delicatessens in Toronto, Jewish homes being shot up in Winnipeg.
- 5:16Like, there's terrible things happening across the country, and it's really important
- 5:21that not only journalists write about it and document it and find out what's really
- 5:27going on, but also the citizens speak up and say that we oppose this,
- 5:30we're against this, and hopefully more people do that. You know,
- 5:34what's really concerning about it is you know, of course, what's happening right
- 5:38now in Gaza that we're seeing as you know, it's awful, it's tragic.
- 5:42Nobody wants to see the amount of death that's occurring. But this is
- 5:46happening here on our streets. This is happening in Canada. And you know,
- 5:51we talked about this a little bit the last time that you were on
- 5:54here. But again it feels like as if the police have just decided to
- 6:00say, we give up. This is what it's going to be. The
- 6:02streets are going to just be taken over. And you know, sometimes people
- 6:06are just not going to be able to leave a synagogue or a community center
- 6:10because there are hundreds of people outside that have effectively decided to blockade them inside.
- 6:15I mean, at what point do we collectively decide here as a country
- 6:19to do something yesterday? I mean, this long ago. We've passed the
- 6:25point where the authorities need to do more. But you know, for people
- 6:28aren't Jewish who are listening to us right now, just you know, imagine
- 6:31your grandmother being a church, a Catholic church or a Protestant church or whatever,
- 6:36and coming out and there's a mob outside on the sidewalk screaming at her
- 6:42that she's a murderer and that she, you know, is involved in genocide,
- 6:46and that her religion isn't a real religion. Just imagine if that happened
- 6:50to a member of your family, you'd be pretty upset. And you know,
- 6:56that's why I think people need to understand what's happening to our brothers insists
- 7:00in the Jewish community. They feel isolated, they feel angry, they feel
- 7:02depressed, and it's just critically important that people say, no, we're with
- 7:06you, We're against all of this stuff. And you know, you don't
- 7:10have to love Benjamin nette Who. You don't have to love the government of
- 7:14Israel. I am a big critic of net Who myself, but you know,
- 7:18it's important that we stand with the Jewish community because they're Canadians like us.
- 7:24Yeah, I mean who we are. We're just here trying to exist
- 7:28as well. You know, I spoke with the Prime Minister last week or
- 7:31the week before last week when he was in town in Windsor, and I
- 7:35asked him what the government, what he thinks the government's role is in combating
- 7:40anti Semitism, And I got to say, I was pretty dismayed by the
- 7:43response that I got because he didn't really say anything other than listing what it
- 7:47is that's already been done. And you know, the premise of the question
- 7:49here is setting up that, like you know, things are bad right now.
- 7:51I don't want to hear about what you've done. I want to hear
- 7:54about what you're going to be doing. I've spoken with other Jews in the
- 7:58country who have said, I can't vote for the Liberals, I can't vote
- 8:03for the NDP, I don't want to vote for the Conservatives, but that
- 8:05seems to be the only place that I can go right now. This is
- 8:09reverberating through our politics, it is. And there's good people though in all
- 8:13the parties, and a lot of people in all of the parties you know,
- 8:18have attained the year on this thing. But all three levels of government,
- 8:22whether they're Liberal, Tory or New Democrat, have a role to play
- 8:24here. The federal government is the level of government that creates the criminal law.
- 8:30We need to create a criminal law so that we can lay hate charges
- 8:33against somebody who's targeting a synagogue, for example, without getting the permission of
- 8:37the provincial attorney general, which is the case right now. We need at
- 8:43the provincial level, we need special prosecutors and special courts and the way that
- 8:46they do in the United States who are experts in dealing with this type of
- 8:50criminal activity to stamp it out. That's what other jurisdictions around the world are
- 8:56doing, but we are not. And at the municipal level, we need
- 8:58to make sure that the municipal leaders, whether it's in Toronto, Olivia Chaw
- 9:03or Valerie Plunt from Montreal, they have the two biggest problems are saying to
- 9:07the police, we've got your back. You know, we're not going to
- 9:09tell you what to do, but if you go ahead and lay charges against
- 9:13the people who are doing these things, We're not going to complain. We're
- 9:16not going to say defund the police. We're going to stand with the police.
- 9:18All three levels of government can and should be doing more because we've got
- 9:24the laws, you know, and in some cases we've got the resources to
- 9:26deal with it, but we too often lack these days since October seventh.
- 9:31Is the leadership to deal with it. Yeah, political conviction that seems to
- 9:35be lacking. And again with this Liberal party right now, they seem that
- 9:37they want to try to be everything, everywhere, all at once. And
- 9:41they're really just upsetting everyone everywhere, all at once. It's a tough situation,
- 9:46but it's especially tough to be living through this time. Hey, Warren,
- 9:48I want to thank you again for your time and for all the work
- 9:50that you do in writing about this subject. Just personally, thank you.
- 9:54Thanks by friend, thanks for having me a great day. Warren Kinsella is
- 9:58an author and is a columnist with the Post Media Company's The National Post,
- 10:03as well as Toronto Sun