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Florida's Gun Law As Of July 1st, Red Dot Optics, And Proper Training · Conversations: Special Guests with Preston Scott

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Five minutes after the hour. It is show four thousand, nine hundred and
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fifty three of The Morning Show with Preston's gack of morning. I'm Preston.
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That's Grant Allen over there in Studio one. Ay. I am here in
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Studio one B, and I am joined by co founder, co host of
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All Things Talent. He is Charlie Strickland. Hello, good morning. How
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are you. I'm pretty dull, going good. You've been given great thought
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to the significance of the passage of time. Yes, it's been a lot
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of a lot of time on it, significant amount of tom considering that significant
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significance. Yes, as at your time, what did you have any revelatory
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thoughts? The vice president's an idiot along with the president, by the way,
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And it's okay to say that now because I considering all the things that
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have been said about presidents and vice presidents on both sides throughout the passage of
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time, they're pretty significant and therefore, and it's okay because the left did
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it, the right can do it. And I don't think I think even
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the people on the left understanding the presidents. I think he was an idiot
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all along, and then he got old. Now he's an old idiot,
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you know. Anyway, he always confirmed it. Yeah, he and I
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think a lot of the problems in the world today right now that are currently
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going on, or because he's our president and because people, I mean it's
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sharks smell blood in the water, and that's where our country is going.
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And and certain people in our society are perfectly content with that. They're okay
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with that. They're okay with a downfall of Rome, They're they're okay with
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our society just completely collapsing because of all the terrible things, you know,
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whatever. Tell me that they're not coming to my house. Yeah, that's
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the thing. I mean, we twos as much of an extent as we
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can. We are seemingly placing a form of a barricade in Florida and sort
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of walling ourselves off to a certain extent. That said, it leads perfectly
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to just a few days from now, in fact, July first things change
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with regard to gun ownership in Florida. Right, it gets closer to where
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we should be. Anyway, I mean, you know, this is not
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constitutional carry going into effect July one. It is permitless carry. It is
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not constitutional carry. You still can't carry openly anywhere. You know most states
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very much. Most states have some sort of open carry on the hooks.
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Florida is one of only a handful of states in the nation that don't have
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open carry. We have a quasi open carry. If you're coming or going
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to a gun range, if you're hunting, camping, or fishing, you
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can open carry. That was the sort of a carry over. I think
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that was to satisfy some people back in the eighties when they want to conceal
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carry, to leave something on the books. It's kind of ridiculous because it's
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hard to determine when you're actually coming or going. But that said, when
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we go to permit less carry on July one, if you are qualified under
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the law to obtain a concealed carry permit, then you are also qualified and
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authorized to carry concealed without a permit under the same sets of rules. But
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if you're disqualified from carrying under the old statute, then you're disqualified from carrying
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without a permit, which means you better be right when you say, oh,
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I'm okay to carry. I could get a permit if I wanted to.
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Well, can you do you understand all of the restrictions, the dozens
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of restrictions that keep you from getting it concealed carry permit without running. You
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can't run. You can't run your own background check. And see, I
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mean you should know, I mean you really should know. Do you have
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a domestic violence junction against you? Have you ever been a convicted or nonprocessor
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judication will withheld not non process but the edudication withheld on a domestic violence charge.
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Have you had two DUIs in the past three years or did you?
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And I don't know if it was two DUIs in three years or in the
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past three years or what did I don't even know. The Department of Agriculture
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does. But there's a series of questions that you're going to have to answer
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honestly well and not only accurate and to yourself. There's not a form because
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because you're qualified to buy a gun doesn't mean that you're qualified to get and
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concealed carry permit in Florida. There's a different set of restrictions And the only
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way to know for sure is to go apply for a concealed carry permit and
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see if they give you one. All right, So, and then there's
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actually you think, well, I can do anything without a permit that I
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can with a permit, but there's there's an exception that I did find it
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gets complicated these these things. To honestly just go get a permit. It's
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like less than a hundred bucks for seven years. You know, I don't
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know what the big deal is it. I believe in the law. There's
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a great idea, it's a great move, it's a step in the right
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direction, but there's still some questions issues we didn't talk about. Eleven minutes
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almost twelve minutes now past the hour here on the Morning Show Wednesday personal Defense
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segment. Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group with us in July first is
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when the new law goes into effect that allows for permits carry, and we're
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just talking about the wisdom of permitless carry of finding out whether you are eligible
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to be carrying permit lists or not. Well, I mean you can go
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to Department of a Culture and the website and read up on it there,
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because you do need to read their website to find out one what the reciprocal
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states are would be if you were carrying with the permit, but understand that
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that doesn't count if you don't have a permit Alabama and Georgia constitutional carry.
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You can go to Alabama or Georgia as long as you're a law abiding citizen
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and eligible to carry in their state per their laws. They'll recognize that.
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What they will certainly recognize as your concealed carry permit in Florida because the reciprocal
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states, the reciprocity applies there, and we recognize theirs, and now we
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recognize their authority to carry without a permit in Florida starting July one, the
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Georgia resident, Alabama resident, or any resident of the United States any I
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think it says any citizen or permanent residing alien, for whatever they are,
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you can carry in the state of Florida as long as you fit the laws.
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Love understanding all of that, but I think that you know it's meant
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to err on the side of the personal personal liberties and rights. But you're
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also assuming that every law enforcement officer has your best interest in mind, and
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nobody is looking to nail you for something minor or use something like that against
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you to further search you or do things. You know. I've been a
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cop for a long time and I can tell you that there are times and
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places when you use pretextual stops like a tail light out or a tag light
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out or something that you can stop someone for an issue, a citation for
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as a means to go further carrying a gun. You know you have to
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under the new law, you're going to have to have your driver's license or
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a government issued ID on you to determine who you are, and you'll have
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to present that to somebody asked for it. But I heard I heard Fred
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Conrad on Talent Outdoors with You and JD discs us that in his opinion,
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there are some ambiguities in the law that are gonna have to be settled and
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likely won't be settled until there's a court case. You're gonna end up somebody's
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gonna end up being a test case. What I'm telling you is to err
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on the side of caution. They say you have to have you have to
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have a driver's license, okay, And they can't law enforce. They can't
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just stop you and go, hey, are you carrying a gun for no
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reason? Terryville, Ohio tear what we call a Terry stop. They have
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to believe, have to have a reasonable belief or a reasonable suspicion that a
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crime is occurring or is about to occur, in order to for an law
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enforcement to detain you, and then they can pat you down to look for
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weapons if they think that you're about to commit a crime or a crime was
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just committed. And that's based on a totality of circumstances, time, place,
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you know, your actions, things like that. They have to be
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able to justify them. Now that's not proof that you're doing anything, it's
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just a reasonable it's like fifty fifty more man more likely than that person's doing
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something based on the time of day, their actions and things like that,
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or a description suspect description, um. And then they find But they can't
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just stop you, and even they can't stop you on the side of the
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road and say do you have a driver's license? Is it valid? Do
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you have to have done something? Or it has to be part of an
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operational with an operational plan like the UI roadblock, you know, sobriety checks
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things like that. Um. Same thing with guns. They're gonna, you
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know, law enforcement to stop you, detain you. They have to know
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that. But that's some jerk next to you sitting on the church view going
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I don't want to. I don't want guns in my church. And he's
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carrying a gun and I don't think he has a permit, and blah blah
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blah. Then law enforcement has to make the reasonable move to and make inquiries.
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But can they detain you? But it depends anyway. It's gonna be
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fun to watch this unfold or maybe not. It is. And actually,
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there's there's some places that you can't carry without a permit, or at least
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one place I can think of that you could carry with a permit. You
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can't carry without a permit, and that's churches with the school on a property
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because they didn't ammend that law from twenty to twenty one. The church carry
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a law to say that you can carry at churches with a school or without
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a permit. It just still says with a permit. So you boy,
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and we're back Charlie Strickling with us from the Talent Training Group and Talent Outdoors.
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Of course, a couple of weeks ago on Talent out Doors, you
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guys were talking about red dots. We were all these people that are going
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to be picking up pistols over the next weeks and months are going to be
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confronted with that decision on whether they take a firearm that has one or doesn't
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have one. What kind of consideration should go into that? How much moneys
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in your pocket? Does it really boil down to that? Oh? Yeah,
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Ultimately you're buying okay, So let's say you're buying a glock retail by
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fifty. You know, let's give or take depending on whether you're going with
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a small I want to be. So let's let's just say you're buying a
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five hundred dollars pistol. Okay, to get an RMR cut or the pistol
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with the ability to mount a site to it without having to mill the slides,
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which you and just just inside baseball, you went inside baseball on me.
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A bunch of people have no idea what you mean by what a what?
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Yeah, well, we call it an RM market. There's a lot
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of different names for it. It's it's cut from an optic on the pistol
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itself. So okay, right in front of the rear sight on the top
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of the slide. The ones that are built for aftermarket sites have a plate.
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Generally it will be about four screws. You take the plate off and
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then you mount a site to that, either with an adapter or directly to
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the slide um. If you can, you want to mount it directly to
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the side, you just have to have the correct site to do that.
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There's a half a dozen dozen ways to make that happen. You can't just
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put one on any pistol now, so it's an extra probably one hundred bucks
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in a seventy five to one hundred dollars for one that's already pre cut.
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So now you've increased the cost of your pistol. And if you're buying a
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new pistol today, if you have the choice between one that's has the cut
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on, it has the plate there so you can add versus one that doesn't
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get the one that will take it because you may need to do it later.
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Even if you're young. Your eyes go and it's much easier to shoot
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with a laser holographic site than it is without one. A lot of people
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over years, you know, the big thing used to be a red laser,
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and it went to ground lasers so you could actually see the dots superimposed
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on the target. The batteries don't last very long on those, I mean,
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they're okay. There's several hundred dollars for those lasers, the good ones,
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and for several hundred dollars you can get one that mounts to the guns
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when it has a lot of them will have a shake awake fixture so that
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it turns itself off until it's moved or bump and then it comes on automatically.
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You don't have to reach down and push it. You don't have to
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worry about pushing a button like you do with an external laser. The only
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problem with those is that if you just walk around, if you move at
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all, it just stays on them. But I mean there's like twenty thousand
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hours or use on the batteries. I mean there's some solar powered Have you
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had one, god yet, Yes, I have, really I have.
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In fact, I've got a HOLLI sin that that has been a problem for
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me. That really Yeah, it's been a surprising development. But in theory,
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I know you're right. I try to go with the ones that you
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know. There are solar powered versions of them that are supplemental and stuff like,
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and you're gonna have problems with every brand's gonna have any technology has to
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be honest. I'm pretty sure they're made in China. But would you recommend
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a red dot to a new pistol owner. I think I know where you'll
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go on this because I heard your conversation. I do if if you want
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to spend the money and you're gonna teach yourself, you're gonna learn to shoot.
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Um I okay. As an experience shooter, I had a hard time
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with it. I'm moving to it now because they've come out with some new
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models and that now the dot cowitnesses with the regular sites, which means which
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means when I line up my regular sits on my glock, the red dot
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is dead square on top of the front sight. So I'm not having to
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with the ones that I've traditionally had when I would push out. And when
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you've got tens of thousands and tens of thousands of rounds through a particular model
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of pistol, you're used to pushing out, and there's the sites you've built
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that muscle memory, neural pathways or programmed. I know exactly when you're looking
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at the front site right, and then when I add a site on top
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of that, there's a parallax issues. The boar height for the site is
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higher than that for the standard site, and when I push out, I'm
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I'm looking at the bottom of the holographic site, not and I don't have
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time to make that correction, and I have to tilt my head back and
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find the site. I hadn't been able to do it traditionally, but they've
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come out with new sites now that sit lower, and so they co witness
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the same thing with like holographic sites. On right aar fifteens. When you
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see the steel sites through the site, the red dot sits on top of
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the front sight post. That's co witnessing, and you can tell if one's
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off, because then they don't line up right because they should line up perfectly.
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I'm gonna ask the stupid question, and we got time in case my
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stupid question leads to a real long answer. What's the point of a red
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dot? Then? If it's just if it's what's the advantage if it's co
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witnessing what the steel site's already telling you, or I can only focus on
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the target, the front sight or the rear sight. Okay, I can
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only focus on one thing. We teach you to shoot quickly, to focus
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on the front site. That's the way to shoot. Accurately and shoot fast.
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However, when somebody's charging you with a knife for shooting back at you,
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you're looking at the target. There's no way physiologically you're going to be
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looking at the front sight unless you've really, really, really really really got
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your stuff together, and that's difficult. With a red dot site, you
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can focus on the target, keep both eyes open and see the sight on
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the target. It's almost foolproof, but that doesn't really exist. Charlie Strickland
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with me from the Talent Training Group Morning Show with Preston Scott talking to Well,
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we've talked about the July first switch over to permitless Kerry. We then
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transitioned into red dots and for those that are going to go that route and
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whether they're in that permitless group or just someone that's thinking about buying that gun
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and going to a red dot, what are some things to think about with
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regard to training with one, how it's training different. Um, you know,
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if you're starting out, it's not really it's pretty much because it's all
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you know, Yeah, I mean, it's it's you're you're drawing from the
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holster, bringing hands together, pushing out look, you know, indexing and
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you know, it's almost like pointing your finger after a while, how do
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you make sure because okay, we're talking to let's just talk to the novice
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person out there. They're getting a firearm, they've never had a red dot.
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How do they ensure that that red dot is aimed properly by well,
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if it cowitnesses, you can tell if it's You can look through the line
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of sights up see if the red dot is on top of the front sight.
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But you know a lot of them don't. You can boar sight a
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pistol or a rifle shop. Most shops, most gun stores will have a
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laser boarsighter you can put in the barrel. It pushes a red dot down
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on the wall so many feet away, and then you look at the site
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you make the adjustments. Most of them are dead on when you put them
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on the gun. I mean, okay, they're but not all obviously.
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And so I when I used to run the armory at the Sheriff's office,
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we would put EO Techs on our rifles, and you know, we would
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sit in the steel sites so that we have there are backup sites, and
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then we would fold the back when out of the way. I mean we
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would leave it up and then look through there, set it on some base
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and we would dial into EO tech. Look where the red dot was on
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top of the front sight, and it was almost always dead on. You
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have to tweak it just a little bit. With a rifle is much more
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precise at distance. With a pistol, you could you can laser boar sight
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one. Um. Typically the best thing to do is just to take it
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to the range and sitting down at one of the benches and set it on
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something, you know, fairly stationary. Sand bags. If you don't have
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sand bags, just get an old pair of thick socks and fill it up
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with sand and tie a knot in it, and that's a sand bag.
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I mean, that's that's why I've been used for years until I converted all
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my Levi's pants into sandbags because the Levis was donating money to anti gun causes.
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There you go, and so I converted all my levies to gun related
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stuff. Yeah, yeah, you gotta, you know, you gotta get
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your jabs in where you can and and so, uh get some get on
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something stationary and shoot at you know, seven yards or so, and see
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if where you're aiming is and don't don't chase your groups, don't keep aiming
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at the last bullet hole, pick a spot on the target, pull the
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trigger slowly and see where the see where the rounds are going, or have
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somebody to do it. That's you know, really good at shooting. And
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that's really that's something that I've learned over the years, Charlie. It is
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so helpful to be with other shooters or another shooter that has the experience that
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you don't. Yes, I mean even I at the level of I mean
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not that I'm any I was fired a few more rounds than I have.
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I was a swat sniper for seven eight years and um went to Gunny Halfcock's
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White Feathers School, you know, imminently qualified back in the day. I'm
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not that guy anymore. I mean, I don't do that anymore. I
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was talking to somebody wants to put on a long range school over in Jackson
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County coming up, and we're gonna try to work something out with them,
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and uh, you know, I'm just not that guy. I making hunt.
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I do that. I can teach you to do it, but you
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know it takes me a few minut get back there but being around people.
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When I'm around to other people that are doing stuff different, I watch and
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I learned. I'm still learning to this day. I go into shop to
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guys behind the counter, well know things that I don't know based on new
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products. I'm busy trying to make sure, you know, we're paying our
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bills and doing the back end stuff, and then lowing behold some new product
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walks through and everybody behind the counter is going, hey, you've seen this
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right, No, no, let me see that. That's cool because there's
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new, cool stuff on the market constantly. You just can't get caught up
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in you know, for the average shooter, the average listener here on this
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show, find something that works, stick with it. Don't buy five different
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brands of guns. You know you want a little gun, get the same
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model, the same brand as the big gun. Just make sure they're similar
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enough that they operate the same. You know, there's things like that.
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I know you don't do that, but I'm telling you it's a good idea.
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We started counting shows at the beginning because we weren't sure how long he'd
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last. Now we're just proving to everyone that week in count This is the
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morning show with Preston Scott Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group my guest for
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one more segment talking about red dots and pistols and familiarity and don't be jumping
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around. So you're at the range and you hopefully have your red dot sighted
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in pretty accurately to unite hitting your groups, more than likely it's you and
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not the dot. Well, here's the thing is if you'll know it's you
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if you're not shooting a tight group, if you're shooting a nice tight group.
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Let's say you're shooting at five to seven yards with a pistol, which
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is really training distance. That's that's where you should be training. You know,
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you're looking at further distances. You're looking for slow, methodical shots,
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trying to maintain your accuracy. But you know, at combat distances from five
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to seven yards. A lot of people they'll train beyond that and then they'll
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wonder why they're not hitting anything. It's because you're two dog gone far away
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and it's a pistol. As your skills develop and advanced, and yes,
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you can increase your distance and it's kind of fun to do that later,
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Yeah, and go down and shoot the steel the knockdown headplates or the dueling
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trees or something that goes. And you can't underestimate the training value of shooting
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steel. But don't shoot the steel. Get a can of white spray paint.
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Go down there and paint the targets white. Okay, because steel does
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a lot for you, And I digress, but steel does a lot for
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you when you're training, because when you're shooting a paper target, you go
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boom, and then you're looking for to see if you hit anything. Okay,
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your brain is not the feedback is that loop is not being built because
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you're not telling your body. You know your brain and it's deep areas,
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The neural pathways aren't being reinforced because all you know is that your hand and
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your body made a certain movement and you heard a loud noise and then cognitively,
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consciously in your forebrain you're looking to see if there was a result.
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That doesn't teach your body anything. It's like riding a bike. You know
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you're riding a bike. You know you messed up when you fall down.
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My bad? Yeah, I mean it hurts, and uh so, yeah,
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who was it? Dion Sanders doesn't like my bad. We were talking
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about that this morning for the early morning listeners. I didn't hear that.
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Yeah, I know where it came from. Yeah, it wasn't the whoop.
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The person that came up with my bad. I know what you're bad,
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so you do it. It's kind of like saying I'm sorry man,
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you know, but okay, so, but the thing is shooting still.
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If you're shooting still, you immediately hear klang. You know, you hit
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something so audibly your brain is acknowledging that what I just did is correct,
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where my body was, how I used my pistol, everything, especially if
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I'm shooting a headplate something you know, eight inches, you know, six
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seven yards away, My body knows that I did good. What's even better
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than that is to provide visual feedback to go with the audible feedback. And
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that's where the paint in. You spray painted white. And as soon as
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you pull the trigger, arguably, if you're following through correctly, and you're
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looking at the site correctly and looking through the site at the target, then
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you will see a little gray splatter on the headplate before it falls, or
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if it's a silhouette, you'll see it appear and stay there and now your
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brain, you're visually, audibly and physically, you get all of this feedback
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that that was correct. Okay, so I'm gonna keep doing this. And
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it's that that feedback helps you learn much faster. Shooting paper, there's your
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time and a place, but there's a limitation. Shooting paper, you're working,
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you're working on a certain level of learning. But really when you move
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down to shoot steel, that's that's where it's at. Sorry, I digressed
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from what you asked me, but I know you let it perfectly from it.
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It's a it's an important thing. I had. I had a person
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up in doth And not long ago. We were doing some training and he
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was wanting to do this, this, this and this, and I said,
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you know, forget paper, grab back can of spray paint. Let's
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go down to the steel range. And by the end of the class what
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he did not think he could accomplish on a dueling tree. He's I want
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to run a dueling tree. I want to knock I want to get a
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perfect run up and down. And we did that by the time hour and
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a half of training, and he walked away with a big smile on his
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face and said, I didn't think I could do that and maybe more importantly
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better trained well. He also quit using three different pistols to try that,
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and we focused on one long making model so he could focus on the one
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that he wanted to do the most with and just put the other ones up.
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Always good to see if thanks for coming in. Glad to be here,
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Charlie Strickland of the Talent Training Group. Remember talent range dot com and
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