Latest / Financial Survival Network / Residency vs. Citizenship, Elite Insurance and Thinking Outside the Box in Uncertain Times - Christopher Willis #6042
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- 0:00But you know, there's a whole list of options, you know, arranging
- 0:03from citizenship in the Caribbean to citizenship in the European Union, you know,
- 0:08through the country of Malta, and which of course gives you settlement rights across
- 0:12the European Union. So having access to those member states is attractive to some
- 0:16people. Others just want to have citizenships somewhere. Just in case, you're
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- 0:48welcome you are listening to and watching the Financial Survival Network. I'm your host,
- 0:53Carrie Letz. It's four ten twenty four, just mentioning that we're a
- 0:57third of the way through April and we've already been through an eclipse, multiple
- 1:03earthquakes, civil unrest from coast to shining from sea to Shining Sea, and
- 1:11you're wondering maybe maybe it's time to get out a dodge. Christopher Willis is
- 1:15here with us now. Christopher, you are, hey, first of all,
- 1:19a big fan of SNN FSN and we appreciate that. And hey,
- 1:26you're an expert on overseas obtaining citizenship and residency overseas or thrilled to have you
- 1:34eight as an American And where would be the first place I should look to
- 1:40think about becoming a citizen of hekkery. Great time to be here and thanks
- 1:45for having me. Yeah, I mean, that's a great question. It's
- 1:48kind of an open ended question because it does depend on on the you know,
- 1:51each person's own motivations, the timelines, et cetera. And you don't
- 1:55necessarily have to leave the US. It's more having an option to leave the
- 1:57US just in case. You know how with the direction things are going,
- 2:01certainly as we're built up into November, is a lot of nervousness from a
- 2:05lot of people and wondering, you know, what one situation is going to
- 2:08be, you know, in the next six months, nine months, five
- 2:10years, et cetera. But you know, there's there's a whole list of
- 2:15options, you know, arranging from citizenship in the Caribbean to citizenship in the
- 2:19European Union, you know, through the country of Malta and which of course
- 2:23gives you settlement rights across the European Union. So having access to those member
- 2:27states is attractive to some people. Others just want to have citizenships somewhere just
- 2:32in case. And there's also residency programs. You know, Portugal has been
- 2:37extremely popular with Americans who are looking to have status somewhere where if they wanted
- 2:42to go and hang out for a little while, they can, but it's
- 2:44not necessarily getting them citizenship, although they would be on a pathway to citizenship
- 2:47should they do enough time in the country. Okay, so yeah, so
- 2:53explain residency versus citizenship because I know many of you out there don't really know
- 2:59about that. Yeah, it's a great question. So, so residency would
- 3:01be like having a green cart in the US, So you have permission to
- 3:05stay essentially and definitely as long as you and you were it on a regular
- 3:07basis, and if you spend enough time, you can graduate to full citizenship.
- 3:12So the main difference by being a citizen is you have the right to
- 3:15vote and you can hold a passport. So for many people is having the
- 3:19passport or the citizenship that allows them to get a passport, which is sort
- 3:23of the ultimate prize or the Holy Grail. Now, typically, you know,
- 3:27for Americans, passport was very strong, passport recognized internationally, not a
- 3:31big deal. But then you know, when the pandemic hit and at full
- 3:35swing and there was a travel ban on Americans, it didn't matter who you
- 3:38were. If you're only on an American passport, you weren't getting on a
- 3:40plane to go to Europe or to go to Singapore, to go to the
- 3:44UAE or anything like that. So, you know, Americans had their wings
- 3:46clited, and we're well and truly grounded, and a lot of people we
- 3:50speak to were saying, hey, we're exposed here, so we've got to
- 3:53We've got to fill this gap and get another option just in case something like
- 3:57this happens again. And so that realizes the exactly we the you know,
- 4:00woke couple lot of people and said, hey, we need this because traditionally,
- 4:04you know, these citizenship programs were for people who were coming from countries
- 4:09that had very poor trava. So you're Nigeria and you're South African, your
- 4:13Lebanese, you know, you're Pakistani. People like that. They always had
- 4:15to get visas to go everywhere. So these people. It really was life
- 4:19changing because they can now just walk on a plane and you know, go
- 4:23to these places that they was it was challenging for them to go to in
- 4:26the past. So I guess it goes back to my original point. It
- 4:29does depend on the needs and the motivations of the people. For Americans now
- 4:32it's you know, whether you spend it as a non traditional insurance policy or
- 4:35a plan B. You know, it's it's just something that's now becoming a
- 4:40necessity, you know, for the wealthy elite. Right, Okay, so
- 4:44what's the cost involved, Well, it varies. So Caribbean citizenship at the
- 4:47moment starting at one hundred thousand US if you go down to donation rooms or
- 4:51there's real estate auctions as well, and if people wanted to say divest out
- 4:56of the US, they can invest in one of these countries and you know
- 4:59get that that too for you know, the two for one, get get
- 5:01an asset, but also use that asset to qualify for economic citizenship. So
- 5:06some people are looking at it from that angle because there's also a lifestyle element.
- 5:11Many Americans are familiar with the Caribbean geographically very close, so you know,
- 5:15they may want to go and have a beach holiday, you know,
- 5:16when the weather gets cold, if you're up from uplands for example. So
- 5:20that's the starting point is around one hundred thousand in the US. But I'll
- 5:25put a little asterisk right there because there was a recent memorandum of agreement signed
- 5:29by the five countries in the Caribbean that operate a Citizenship by Investment program where
- 5:33they're looking to increase the minimum from one hundred thousand to two hundred thousand US
- 5:38and that's going to be They've ear marked to June thirtieth of this year as
- 5:43the effective date for this to happen. So although it's one hundred thousand now,
- 5:46that could double very quickly. So if people are interested, they should
- 5:50start looking at this quite quickly because it will get more expensive. Okay,
- 5:54so how more is all the paperwork to do? Well, the paperwork,
- 5:58it's if you're a white citizenship is still there. They've got to know about
- 6:01you, right, So it's the usual stuff of civil documents, you know,
- 6:04birth certificates, margtificatest et cetera. Police checks, source of wealth,
- 6:10source of funds is the key part. Just to make sure everything was legally
- 6:13acquired and a variety of application forms so they can understand you as an applicant.
- 6:17Because the due diligence is quite thorough, multi tiered, including obviously you
- 6:23know, apart from public domain SUSH, it's a third party dependent due diligence.
- 6:28Firms are going to verify the information you provide, and then you're also
- 6:30got to have you know, you need to pull your a poll, sanctions
- 6:34list, watch lists, all these international verifications will be done as well,
- 6:39just to ensure that you're the right type of person. Who's who's coming to
- 6:41the odds. Yeah, I don't want any sketchy people coming over, right,
- 6:45No, exactly exactly, And just in the second part of your question,
- 6:48you know, the cost of the Caribbean is there, but you know,
- 6:51somewhere like Malta for a single applicants is around about a million euro.
- 6:56But the difference being you're getting European citizenship in about eighteen months as and you
- 7:00know you would cheat. I think we can comfortably say that's a higher value
- 7:04citizenship than that of the Caribbean. And or you could go down the Portugal
- 7:10route, which would be five hundred thousand euro but it's going to take about
- 7:13eight years before you'd be able to become a citizen of Portugal. So,
- 7:16you know, it's like most things of life, you get what you pay
- 7:18for, right, So if you're looking for European citizenship quickly, you're looking
- 7:23at the million euro price point. If you're happy to wait half of that,
- 7:27and if you're happy with the Caribbean as your country and citizenship, then
- 7:31it's it's one hundred thousand to start with. Okay. So if we look
- 7:34in Asia, are there any opportunities in Asia? There's not a lot in
- 7:39certainly in terms of citizenship. There are some residence programs. They tend to
- 7:43be used more by Asian nationals who are looking to you, you know,
- 7:46very much like in South America. You know a lot of South Americans want
- 7:50to go to Uruguay or Paraguay, for example, so they want to sort
- 7:55of stay within the region or their continent. But for the American we haven't
- 7:58seen a big uptick of interest from Americans looking to go to Asia. Okay,
- 8:03what about when we look at Eastern Europe maybe that's not part of the
- 8:09EU. Are there opportunities there? Yeah, there's a good example would be
- 8:13in the country of Ontenegro, which is you know, trying to ascend to
- 8:18become a fully new member state, and they did have a citizenship program,
- 8:22but they had some pressures from the European Union saying, look, if you
- 8:24want to ascend, you're going to have to make sure that this program is
- 8:26done unfinished. So there's we're seeing some interest from some other countries in Eastern
- 8:33Europe, but nothing has come to light yet, but there could be some
- 8:37on that of this year. Interesting any other countries EU countries. What about
- 8:43Moldova or yeah, Moldov we did have a program, but that that sort
- 8:48of die to death very quickly. Greece is very popular, but again that's
- 8:52just a residency program that does not have a pathway to citizenship. But Spain
- 8:56is becoming more and more popular. The Spanish program is actually has lower requirement.
- 9:05It's you're a Latin American national or your parents Latin national, so anywhere
- 9:11basically Mexico South. If you have that heritage, you can benefit from a
- 9:13two year residency instead of ten years before being eligible for full Spanish citizenship.
- 9:20But they're also going through a few revisions to their program at the moment,
- 9:24so we may see some changes towards the end of this year as it relates
- 9:26to qualifying for Spain. There's always a butt with these programs, Christopher,
- 9:31you know there's always an if for whatever. Yeah, the joys of governments,
- 9:35you know, change of governments. You know, in Portugal they had
- 9:37a lot of pressure for affordable housing for the local Portuguese and that's what changed
- 9:41their program and we're seeing a bit of that in Spain now as well.
- 9:45So you know, immigration, no matter what country is a political football,
- 9:48right and so you know that's never going to change. And again depending if
- 9:52there's a change of government, that can impact their immigration programs as well.
- 9:56Okay, what are some of the pitfalls when you go start doing this?
- 10:01Well, I mean it's the benefits certainly have way in any risk here because
- 10:07you know, in you either don't have to spend once you're a citizen,
- 10:09that's saying the Caribbean, you don't have to spend any time. So the
- 10:11passport's in your back pocket, you use it as when if at all.
- 10:16Some people just like having the peace in line, knowing that it's there.
- 10:18You know that the adage of it's better to have it and not need it
- 10:22than need it and not have it. Right if you're looking to shame jurisdiction.
- 10:28You know, the Americans, you still tax on your citizenship, right,
- 10:31so if you were a Canadian or a brit there's maybe a tax play
- 10:35here for you as well, but you know, not as much for the
- 10:37American client. So it really depends on you know, lifestyle choices, knowing
- 10:43you can get somewhere should you need it. Now, I'll give you an
- 10:46example. So you know, during the pandemic again, there was someone who
- 10:50had a you know, multimillion dollar property on the Caribbean island of Antigua and
- 10:54Barbuda, and he thought, I'll just go hang out there, but he
- 10:56never took out citizenship. He just used to keep coming and going as a
- 11:00visitor. But because the Caribbean island is like many places, close their borders
- 11:03to non citizens, he couldn't access his property. So it's just again many
- 11:09many examples why there's more benefits to having this, and you're enhancing your freedom
- 11:15so right, and this is really what it's all about. It's giving yourself
- 11:16more options should you need them. And again this is where more and more
- 11:20people are realizing it is becoming a necessity. I couldn't agree with him more
- 11:24Hey, people want to find out more about you about how you can help
- 11:28them. Is there a place you can go Christopher? Yeah, the best
- 11:33thing is go to our website Latitude World dot com. My details are on
- 11:37there under the team page information and all the different programs that are available.
- 11:41And then we can take some time with you to understand you know why you're
- 11:43looking to do, I understand your deeds, and then we can make some
- 11:46recommendations of what would be the best fit. All right, excellent, Hey,
- 11:50really appreciate you coming on. I've got a question for Christopher myself.
- 11:54Email addresses always kl Atcarrie LUTs dot com. We've got a link to the
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- 12:05you just have to go there loock it and while you're there, sign up
- 12:07for your free newsletter. Christopher, appreciate you coming on, but a pleasure.
- 12:11We'll talk to you again soon. Thanks, Gerry, appreciate it.
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