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Speaker 1: Peter Live on Sky News Australia.
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Speaker 2: Good evening, Welcome to the program. Here's what's coming up
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Speaker 2: to Nano Predline Live to Bondi for the latest on
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Speaker 2: the ground, including the response from the Jewish community, which
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Speaker 2: sadly warned a terror attack was all but inevitable due
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Speaker 2: to a lack of leadership from the government. I'll get
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Speaker 2: the latest on the alleged government too, speak into two
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Speaker 2: national security experts. How this could have happened undetected and
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Speaker 2: what's likely to be happening behind the scenes is counter
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Speaker 2: terrorism police investigate and that's happening at pace the background
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Speaker 2: of these two men despite the reluctance of authorities to
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Speaker 2: give much away in terms of information to the public class.
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Speaker 2: Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott will join me for a
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Speaker 2: hard conversation about how Australians have been failed by their
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Speaker 2: leaders and what must happen now. How do we stop
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Speaker 2: importing international hatreds into Australia. Can we turn our country around?
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Speaker 2: I know that's what we all want to know. And
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Speaker 2: lots of platitudes form the Prime Minister today and late
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Speaker 2: last night, but I've heard little of substance in terms
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Speaker 2: of his failure to tackle anti Semitism.
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Speaker 3: It is need to take personal responsibility and be accountable
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Speaker 3: for what is just occurring.
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Speaker 4: There is something to be feared and it is the
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Speaker 4: obligation of society to repair this harm that has been done.
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Speaker 5: We've seen a clear lack of leadership in keeping Jewish
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Speaker 5: Australians safe.
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Speaker 2: Last night, as I stood in my kitchen like many
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Speaker 2: of you, starting to cook dinner with Sky News on
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Speaker 2: in the background, I watched the early reports of a
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Speaker 2: mass shooting on Sydney's Bondai Beach and as I suspect,
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Speaker 2: like many of you too, I ran the gauntlet of
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Speaker 2: emotions from horror, sadness, to anger, but not disbelief, not shock,
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Speaker 2: because what happened yesterday was utterly foreseeable, and it's been
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Speaker 2: for seeable ever since terrorists crossed the border from Gaza
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Speaker 2: into Israel, slaughtered men, women, children, babies with that depravity,
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Speaker 2: then celebrated on streets in this country. Within hours, I'm
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Speaker 2: smiling and I'm happy.
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Speaker 6: That's a day of courage.
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Speaker 2: Today in Bondai is the enormity of what happened yesterday
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Speaker 2: hit home. Shell shocked locals stood by the beach in disbelief,
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Speaker 2: huddled together, unable, perhaps unwilling, to comprehend the tragedy that
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Speaker 2: had taken place in such an iconic setting, an image
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Speaker 2: of Australia, our brand, going the world over, and as
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Speaker 2: they stood together asking why how did we get here?
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Speaker 2: They still walk to a spot on the famous Bondai
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Speaker 2: pavilion to lay flowers in tribute to the dead, an
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Speaker 2: image now synonymous with how the public reacts to what
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Speaker 2: they can't understand, what they don't want to understand. But
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Speaker 2: it's not enough to mourn and grieve, important though that is,
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Speaker 2: and it is certainly not what we want or need
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Speaker 2: from our political leaders. Frankly, I am sick of politicians
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Speaker 2: and then plastic wrap flowers as our response to crises,
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Speaker 2: when it's their job as our leaders, to be so
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Speaker 2: much more than just mourners in chief, so much more
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Speaker 2: than just disaster tourists. With the whole apparatus of government
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Speaker 2: in their hands, the police, the security agencies, even the
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Speaker 2: military if needed, they have what it takes to keep
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Speaker 2: us safe, and that is their first and most important job.
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Speaker 2: The hand ringing in the flowers. Honestly, it's hardly better
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Speaker 2: than an ambulance at the bottom of a cliff. It's
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Speaker 2: our leaders, and only our leaders who can harness the
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Speaker 2: laws and the people to act. And where they do not,
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Speaker 2: where they have been slow to act or not acted
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Speaker 2: at all, then they must share responsibility for the dead.
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Speaker 2: As a nation, we got our wake up call on
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Speaker 2: this hatred over two years ago, and because his hatred
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Speaker 2: was allowed to go all but unchecked, it's metastasized into
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Speaker 2: the evil we saw yesterday on the beach at Bondai,
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Speaker 2: a father and son team who treated a Jewish religious
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Speaker 2: celebration as a shooting gallery. Yet another Australian landmark, chosen
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Speaker 2: very deliberately so that the image would go around the world,
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Speaker 2: now associated with savage due hatred, just like the opera House,
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Speaker 2: Bondai is now disfigured. The Opera House, look at that
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Speaker 2: that angry mob there just two days after October seven,
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Speaker 2: before Israel had even launched any retaliatory response against the
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Speaker 2: Gaza terror state. Then the Harbor Bridge at the Sydney
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Speaker 2: Harbor Bridge, one hundred thousand people marching against Israel, against
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Speaker 2: Jews with crowds bang for blood, and now Bondai, fifteen
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Speaker 2: in since killed because they were celebrating Hahnaka, over forty
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Speaker 2: wounded and hospitalized. At every level, governments in Australia have
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Speaker 2: been guilty of handwringing impotence in the face of mounting
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Speaker 2: Jew hatred, hate preachers that haven't been shut down. They
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Speaker 2: haven't been jailed, nor have they been deported.
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Speaker 7: Sifa men fatlahud hiyah and nahum shah them ah shahabun,
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Speaker 7: you're hid saftut them.
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Speaker 6: The trees will seek, the soul will speak, and I
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Speaker 6: will say, I believe there is a YAHOODI behind me.
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Speaker 8: Come and kill him.
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Speaker 7: You had this part of our dean and one of
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Speaker 7: the highest spinners o our.
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Speaker 2: Dean, Hammas is much you did?
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Speaker 9: And freedom fighters and.
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Speaker 7: What is.
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Speaker 2: The bottom face of Australia hate marches that haven't been stopped.
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Speaker 2: Flags of terror groups Hamas and hezbel are proudly on display,
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Speaker 2: something that the former Treasurer Josh Freinberg, talking to my
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Speaker 2: colleague Karen Gilbert, referred to today.
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Speaker 3: People are waving Hamas and hesbela and Isis flags and
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Speaker 3: where is the sanction or saying death to the IDF
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Speaker 3: And then when in the nurses in Australia talk about
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Speaker 3: death to Israelis we're supposed to be told that this
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Speaker 3: is simply a joke.
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Speaker 2: Throughout this sorry two years of an action, the worst
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Speaker 2: culprit has been our Prime Minister. The greatest derogation of
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Speaker 2: duty has been his, the man who is still at
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Speaker 2: heart the hard left activist of his youth, who has
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Speaker 2: failed to lift to the standard we expect of our
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Speaker 2: national leader.
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Speaker 3: It starts with our Prime Minister and it goes down
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Speaker 3: through his ministers and everybody who is in a position
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Speaker 3: of responsibility who has failed in their public duty to
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Speaker 3: protect our citizens. Kieran I sat in the audience in
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Speaker 3: November twenty twenty three at the Holocaust Museum in the
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Speaker 3: aftermath of October the seventh, and heard from our Prime
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Speaker 3: minister say in his own words that he would not
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Speaker 3: allow antisemitism to get a foothold in Australia. What a
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Speaker 3: failure that has.
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Speaker 2: Been until last night. This was a prime minister who's
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Speaker 2: often seemed more concerned to criticize Israel than crack down
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Speaker 2: an out of controlled you hatred here in Australia. A
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Speaker 2: prime minister who positively gloated on the world stage about
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Speaker 2: recognizing Palestine, or failing to recognize that in doing so,
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Speaker 2: he left Australian Jews feeling vulnerable and abandoned.
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Speaker 10: Right now, Gaza is in the grip of a humanitarian
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Speaker 10: catastrophe and the Israeli government must accept its share of responsibility.
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Speaker 2: For two years, this Prime Minister and his ministers have
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Speaker 2: found it almost impossible to mention anti Semitism without coupling
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Speaker 2: rampant anti Semitism with an almost non existent Islamophobia. It
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Speaker 2: couldn't appoint an envoy into antisemitism without also appointing one
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Speaker 2: into Islamophobia. And five months off there's been no adequate
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Speaker 2: response from the government to Gillian Segal's report. There's been
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Speaker 2: no crackdown on the universities that tolerated anti Semitic encampments.
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Speaker 2: There's been no stronger laws through the Parliament to address
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Speaker 2: anti Jewish hate speech. The number one job, as I said,
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Speaker 2: of any Prime minister, is to do whatever is needed
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Speaker 2: to keep citizens safe. John Howard knew that when he
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Speaker 2: stood before the mob following port Arthur, when he took
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Speaker 2: on many of his own supporters. But that's what leadership
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Speaker 2: is about the Prime minister. By contrast, this prime minister
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Speaker 2: wouldn't know what leadership is. He's got no trouble going
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Speaker 2: to sporting events and concerts, the footy file finals and
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Speaker 2: all those overseas trips. He had a week's break off
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Speaker 2: after those UN meetings, has even had time to get married,
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Speaker 2: but he can't find the time to respond to his
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Speaker 2: anti sem and report. It is appalling. Whatever you want
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Speaker 2: to call it, it is not leadership on national security
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Speaker 2: Anthony Albanezi is wanting. Before he was elected PM, indeed,
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Speaker 2: he had never touched any defense or security portfolio in
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Speaker 2: his twenty five years plus in the Federal Parliament. And
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Speaker 2: it shows who can forget that one of his first
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Speaker 2: acts in the job was to throw the Federal Police
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Speaker 2: Chief and the ASO boss out of the National Security
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Speaker 2: Cabinet room. And doesn't that just say everything about his priorities.
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Speaker 10: And the Jewish community are hurting today Today all Australians
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Speaker 10: wrap our arms around them.
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Speaker 2: It looks it's fine and it's good to say, let's
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Speaker 2: wrap our arms around our Jewish Australians. But what about
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Speaker 2: just protecting them better? What about doing more to uphold
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Speaker 2: Australian values with which the recent our pourings of anti
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Speaker 2: Jewish hate are so at odds? What about standing up
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Speaker 2: for our Anglo Celtic core culture that's always made Jewish
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Speaker 2: people feel welcome in this country and made them made them.
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Speaker 2: The commander of our armed forces in John Mannett Monash,
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Speaker 2: a Chief Justice of Australia in Isaac Isaacs, and a
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Speaker 2: Governor General, missus Elman Cowen. This was once a country
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Speaker 2: where we celebrated Jewish Australians and now it's a place
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Speaker 2: where not only don't they feel safe, but they are
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Speaker 2: also in fact not safe. They are not safe. We're
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Speaker 2: on our streets. Their lives are at risk.
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Speaker 11: How do you explain that to your daughters?
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Speaker 4: I this time I couldn't really explain it, you know,
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Speaker 4: she said to me, I'm scared. And previously, after the
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Speaker 4: attack on our former home and things like that, I
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Speaker 4: could tell her it's okay, we're safe. I can't say
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Speaker 4: that anymore.
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Speaker 10: We're not safe.
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Speaker 4: If Jews get slaughtered on Bondo Beach and body bags
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Speaker 4: are piled up at this place, we're not safe.
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Speaker 2: And as we know, if you know your history, if
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Speaker 2: Jews are not safe in your nation, no one is safe.
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Speaker 2: This is where we are tonight in Australia. After we
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Speaker 2: mourn the dead, let us all use our grief and
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Speaker 2: our justifiable anger and rage to force change not just
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Speaker 2: with this Prime Minister, but the others that come after
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Speaker 2: him and our governments of the future. Because to turn
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Speaker 2: around this hatred it will be a fight for more
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Speaker 2: than just one term of parliament. We must overturn some
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Speaker 2: three or so decades of immigration policy we have brought
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Speaker 2: into this country hatreds that have no place in Australia.
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Speaker 2: What about upholding and celebrating our Judeo Christian ethos, which
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Speaker 2: holds that all men and women are equal in the
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Speaker 2: sight of God. December fourteenth, twenty twenty five will be
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Speaker 2: marked by history as one of our very worst days.
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Speaker 2: But it is what comes now that really matters, and
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Speaker 2: that is how we, all of us, will be judged
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Speaker 2: in the future. I'm afraid to say there's only one
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Speaker 2: story in our nation, pretty much around the world tonight.
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Speaker 2: That's got a camper now for the headline. Skyy's political
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Speaker 2: reporter Trundy Macintosh.
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Speaker 1: Anti Semitic hate on the streets of Bondai quickly shifts
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Speaker 1: to anger.
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Speaker 4: If we can't gather at Bondai Beach to light a
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Speaker 4: hanakia and enjoy the beach in the weather This is
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Speaker 4: a colossal failing of this government.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister one of the first to lay a
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Speaker 1: floral tribute outside Bondai Pavilion on Monday morning, as Israel's
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Speaker 1: Prime minister accused him of failing to cush hatred towards Jews.
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Speaker 10: You did nothing to curb the cancer cells that were
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Speaker 10: growing inside your country and the result is the horrific
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Speaker 10: attacks on Jews we saw today. This is a moment
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Speaker 10: for national unity. This is a moment for Australians to
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Speaker 10: come together. That precisely what we will be doing.
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Speaker 1: Since October seven, Australia has been plagued with anti Semitic attacks.
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Speaker 12: What we've seen has been the logical progression demonizing Jews
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Speaker 12: with ratrek, which slowly builds up to acts of violence.
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Speaker 1: The opposition leader met Jewish leaders at the makeshift memorial.
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Speaker 5: I understand the sense of frustration and real anger that
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Speaker 5: is being expressed, and I've heard it today.
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Speaker 1: The Bondeye massacre triggered a chorus of calls for the
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Speaker 1: Alberneezy government to show leadership.
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Speaker 2: A vacuum emerged and it has been filled with evil.
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Speaker 3: Who is going to be accountable for this? Who is
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Speaker 3: going to take personal responsibility for this.
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Speaker 1: The Prime Minister promises to confront the scourge head on.
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Speaker 10: The government is prepared to take whatever action is necessary.
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Speaker 1: That includes a crackdown on Australia's gun laws.
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Speaker 10: If we need to touch from these up, if there's
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Speaker 10: anything we can do, I'm certainly up for it.
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Speaker 1: It's been revealed Asio investigated twenty four year old gunman
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Speaker 1: Navide Akram six years ago but found he didn't present
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Speaker 1: an ongoing threat.
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Speaker 10: He was examined on the basis of being associated with
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Speaker 10: others and the assessment was made that there was no
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Speaker 10: indication of any ongoing threat or threat of him engaging
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Speaker 10: in violence.
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Speaker 1: The Home Affairs Minister revealed more about the pair's visa history.
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Speaker 12: The son is an Australian born citizen. The father arrived
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Speaker 12: in nineteen ninety eight on a student visa, transferred in
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Speaker 12: two thousand and one to a partner visa, and after
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Speaker 12: each trip overseas since then, has been on resident return visas,
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Speaker 12: which has occurred three times.
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister's task now to find a way to heal
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Speaker 1: a nation coming to grips with its worst massacre in
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Speaker 1: nearly three decades. Trudy McIntosh sky News.
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Speaker 2: All right, let's sad now to Bondai for an update
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Speaker 2: on the ground. Joining me Skuy's reporter Jonathan Lee. Jonathan,
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Speaker 2: thank you. What's the latest on the alleged terrorist tonight?
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Speaker 2: What can you tell us?
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Speaker 13: Well, good evening to you, Peter, and good evening to
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Speaker 13: those at home. Incredibly powerful and poignant scenes here, but
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Speaker 13: we can tell you about the two gunmen, A father's
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Speaker 13: son terror team from Bonnie.
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Speaker 9: It would seem home.
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Speaker 13: Grown, very much in its roots in western Sydney. Sajd Akram,
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Speaker 13: a fifty year old as you heard before, came to
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Speaker 13: Australia in nineteen ninety eight on a student visa and
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Speaker 13: his twenty four year old son Navide Akram, an Australian
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Speaker 13: born citizen.
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Speaker 14: Here.
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Speaker 13: The father died at the scene. He was gunned down,
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Speaker 13: it appears by police. His son remains in a critical
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Speaker 13: condition in hospital under police guard.
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Speaker 2: Peter, what's the mood on the ground. I don't imagine.
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Speaker 2: There is a lot of talking going on behind you.
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Speaker 2: It seems very solemn and I've watched those floral tributes
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Speaker 2: grow by the hour.
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Speaker 9: It is pointed, it is powerful.
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Speaker 13: People are prickling with anger, holding it in as best
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Speaker 13: they can. Most of them are standing silently. They've grown
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Speaker 13: from a couple of hundred at one stage. The circle
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Speaker 13: the inner circle is maybe sixty or seventy. I'd estimate
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Speaker 13: this now at least two thousand people here, many standing
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Speaker 13: in silence. There might be a technological generation, but many
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Speaker 13: people have their phones in their pockets.
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Speaker 9: I caught up with an American.
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Speaker 13: Nurse by the name of Caitlin a little earlier. She
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Speaker 13: was standing on the first floor of a building watching Jews,
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Speaker 13: in effect being hunted. My god, that sounds as bad
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Speaker 13: as it.
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Speaker 9: It feels as bad as it.
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Speaker 13: Sounds when I say it out loud, Peter. These are
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Speaker 13: her words when she describes banging on the windows.
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Speaker 15: So I live right there in that blue building, in
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Speaker 15: the first floor, and so at first I thought there
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Speaker 15: was just fireworks for the celebration, and notice when it persisted.
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Speaker 15: I then saw outside, and I saw the two gunmen.
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Speaker 15: I just continued to film from my apartment because there's
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Speaker 15: something I could do. And once I saw the gunmen
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Speaker 15: shut down, I ran outside.
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Speaker 2: I've read a lot of reports today, and it certainly
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Speaker 2: come up during the press conferences John O that the
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Speaker 2: police were slow to respond that's been certainly comments from
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Speaker 2: people in Bondai. Have you heard that on the.
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Speaker 13: Ground, Yeah, it is certainly something which was dealt with
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Speaker 13: at the press conference. Now, the police commissioner made the
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Speaker 13: point that officers were tasked here to protect the event.
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Speaker 13: They wouldn't specifically say how many people were on the
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Speaker 13: duty and effect at the time. Now, Huneker is a
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Speaker 13: festival of the light in many regards for Christians, it
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Speaker 13: might be better described as something like carols by candlelight
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Speaker 13: at time when the community comes together and celebrates the
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Speaker 13: end of the year. We spoke with one gentleman, a
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Speaker 13: leader in the community. He made the point that our
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Speaker 13: leaders and the police need to think about how they
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Speaker 13: hunt these terrorists to save them from being hunted.
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Speaker 9: Have a listen.
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Speaker 16: So ultimately, the responsibility of our government to secure society
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Speaker 16: and to ensure that we can continue to enjoy facilizens
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Speaker 16: like Bondi Beach without feeling that we have to look.
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Speaker 8: Over our shoulders for you being hunted.
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Speaker 16: That we're being hunted, and right now extreme Islamic she
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Speaker 16: hud is hunting us.
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Speaker 2: This is heartbreaking stuff. John a lot of praise today
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Speaker 2: for the extraordinary bravery of the local fruit shop owner.
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Speaker 2: He tackled one of the shooters. We've seen that footage.
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Speaker 2: It's gone around the world. He remains in hostile tonight
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Speaker 2: as a result of his gunshot injuries. What can you tell.
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Speaker 13: Us, Yeah, armored, l armored. There's plenty of talk for him,
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Speaker 13: a Muslim gentleman himself.
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Speaker 9: We understand it goes.
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Speaker 13: To show the true multicultural nation that we live in.
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Speaker 13: We haven't been told too much about him at the moment.
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Speaker 13: I don't believe that his injuries are critical from what
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Speaker 13: I've heard, Peter. But you talk about Bondai, you talk
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Speaker 13: about it being a multicultural melting potter place where people
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Speaker 13: come to leave their worries behind them.
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Speaker 9: It's truly egalitarian. We're all equal here when we.
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Speaker 13: Take off our clothes and we go to bathe and
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Speaker 13: we have a dip, and it's where the community perhaps
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Speaker 13: was at its most vulnerable. We also need to respect
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Speaker 13: the courage of the New South Wales police who responded
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Speaker 13: and brought down the gunman as well. Peter, so some
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Speaker 13: truly incredible scenes. What really caught me was just the
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Speaker 13: fact that so many of those were captured on telephones.
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Speaker 13: Even that drone vision brought home for many what felt
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Speaker 13: like a movie, what sounded like fireworks, but is trauma
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Speaker 13: unlike anything we have seen in this nation for the
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Speaker 13: better part of the last twenty nine years. We are
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Speaker 13: a different country. Tonight, nearly twenty four hours on Peter.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Jonathan Carious one day at the pavilion that's
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Speaker 2: gone out to discuss the reaction of the Sydney Jewish
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Speaker 2: community and Australian Jews. Australians will broadly joining me now
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Speaker 2: the CEO of the Australian Jewish Association, Robert Gregory. Robert welcome,
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Speaker 2: the condolences of the nation go to Jewish Australians and
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Speaker 2: Sydney Jews in particular. I want to pick up something
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Speaker 2: that Gillian Siegel, the author of a report that might
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Speaker 2: have helped solve some of these anti Semitic issues in
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Speaker 2: this country that is languishing on the Prime Minister's desk.
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Speaker 2: She made the point that the inter Farta, which you know,
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Speaker 2: the haters that the Islamists had wanted to take a
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Speaker 2: global is now on the Australian shores. What's your reaction
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Speaker 2: to the events of the last twenty four hours.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, Jillian Siagul's right. The chance that we heard for
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Speaker 8: two years now on our streets, on the Sydney Harbor Bridge,
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Speaker 8: at the Sydney Opera House calling to globalize the intifarer, Well,
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Speaker 8: it's been globalized. This is what it looks like, dead
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Speaker 8: bodies on Bondo Beach. We knew about this for years.
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Speaker 8: The government knew about it. People like yourself, people like
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Speaker 8: my organization, the Jewish community warned the government this was coming.
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Speaker 8: No one in the Jewish community surprised. We're all very heard, upset,
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Speaker 8: and increasingly what I'm hearing is people are angry. They're
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Speaker 8: very angry that they weren't listening to that this was preventable,
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Speaker 8: that we had a government that was more interested in
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Speaker 8: revoking the visas of Jewish visitors, of Israeli visitors, rather
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Speaker 8: than deporting extremist clerics and radical people like this.
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Speaker 2: Yes, I can't recall a radical imam one who has
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Speaker 2: been deported from Australia. I know that's been quite common
22:47
Speaker 2: in Europe in the past two years, but it has
22:49
Speaker 2: not been something at all that's publicized in Australia. I
22:52
Speaker 2: don't think it's happened. But Tony Burke can of course
22:54
Speaker 2: pick up the phone and correct me. A lot of
22:56
Speaker 2: these imms performing it is electorate, which is also concern.
23:00
Speaker 2: I'll get to him a little bit later. Anti Semitism. Today,
23:04
Speaker 2: Susan Lee said the government has always seen this as
23:07
Speaker 2: a problem to be managed, as opposed to an evil
23:11
Speaker 2: that must be eradicated. I thought that was a very
23:15
Speaker 2: strong statement.
23:17
Speaker 8: Yeah, you're right. I think the only time we saw
23:20
Speaker 8: the government take this a bit seriously was when we
23:22
Speaker 8: saw the attack on the Dusk Synagogue and we had
23:25
Speaker 8: an election campaign. I think the government were worried. They
23:28
Speaker 8: didn't want something like this to occur during the campaign.
23:31
Speaker 8: But after that, I mean, they appointed the commissioner. They've
23:34
Speaker 8: ignored everything that Gillian Siegel said, they haven't adopted it.
23:38
Speaker 8: So they're trying to manage things and in this case
23:41
Speaker 8: it hasn't worked. And we've seen tragedy.
23:46
Speaker 2: Criticism too about not enough security at these Harneker events.
23:49
Speaker 2: I noticed in one of the earlier press conferences from
23:52
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister today he sort of was crowing about
23:55
Speaker 2: bringing forward some funding that was to be announced in
23:58
Speaker 2: my EFO, the budget update that's sooner upon us, in
24:03
Speaker 2: relation to giving Jewish organizations more money to assist the
24:07
Speaker 2: way you already fund from your own resources security at
24:10
Speaker 2: your schools and events and synagogues in a way that
24:13
Speaker 2: no other faith has to in this country. What does
24:18
Speaker 2: your community say about the events of yesterday, the security
24:22
Speaker 2: that you have around you, and what more needs to
24:24
Speaker 2: happen in the future.
24:27
Speaker 8: So the security costs the Jewish community faces are crippling.
24:31
Speaker 8: Every Jewish children in preschool need to have armed guards,
24:35
Speaker 8: Every little event needs to have security, and any assistance
24:39
Speaker 8: from the government is sadly necessary, but it is very
24:42
Speaker 8: much appreciated. But an event like this and the details
24:45
Speaker 8: will still come out. But we're hearing there were police there.
24:49
Speaker 8: There's contradictions about you know, whether they why did it
24:52
Speaker 8: take ten minutes, Why was it a civilian that had
24:55
Speaker 8: to try and disarm this terrorist? What went wrong? And
24:59
Speaker 8: we're here during the government trying to deflect saying they
25:02
Speaker 8: want to tighten gun laws, as if that was the problem.
25:04
Speaker 8: In fact, i'm hearing now that perhaps one of the
25:07
Speaker 8: issues was security. There was not able to be armed
25:10
Speaker 8: because the gun laws are too tired, and because to
25:13
Speaker 8: do with Bone Beach being in an open space. So
25:15
Speaker 8: there's allegations that there was not able to be armed.
25:18
Speaker 8: Security guys there, which would have had a very different
25:20
Speaker 8: result when this happened.
25:23
Speaker 2: I think tonight so many Australians are with you. We
25:26
Speaker 2: want to be able to show our support to the
25:28
Speaker 2: Jewish community. You may not have an answer for us now,
25:31
Speaker 2: but I would like you and organizations like others to
25:36
Speaker 2: think deeply about how non Jewish Australians can show solidarity
25:41
Speaker 2: because we have all watched with her. I mean, I've
25:43
Speaker 2: got a wonderful platform here to speak my mind and
25:46
Speaker 2: speak up for your community. But I know so many
25:48
Speaker 2: people contact me. They are angry about the protests, They're
25:51
Speaker 2: angry about the last two and a half years, but
25:55
Speaker 2: they want to demonstrate and show Jewish Australians that they
25:58
Speaker 2: support you. So let's come back to that at another
26:01
Speaker 2: time when we're pasted obviously this initial grieving. Thank you, Robert.
26:06
Speaker 2: Look after the break, I want to return to this issue.
26:08
Speaker 2: I want to return to the issue of asy Oh
26:11
Speaker 2: and the Federal Police. I've got an inkling on what's
26:14
Speaker 2: happening behind the scenes. Let's talk to and experts and
26:17
Speaker 2: explain what the government isn't telling you. Welcome back well
26:25
Speaker 2: last night, as the full scale of the BONDEI terror
26:27
Speaker 2: attack became clear. I was on UK television discussing the
26:32
Speaker 2: fallout as the rest of the world was reacting to
26:34
Speaker 2: events that we had just witnessed. Now it was surreal
26:38
Speaker 2: to talk about something we fear would happen, but we
26:41
Speaker 2: hoped never would. Yet Australia is now no longer safe,
26:47
Speaker 2: no longer immune from this depravity. The choice of BONDI
26:50
Speaker 2: was very very deliberate, as was the use of the
26:53
Speaker 2: Sydney Opera House. Just days after October seven, so to
26:56
Speaker 2: the use of the Harbor Bridge one thousands marched their
27:00
Speaker 2: hate field pro Palestinian events. Everything that's been done so
27:04
Speaker 2: far has been coordinated, very deliberate, all designed to go
27:09
Speaker 2: around the world as it now has here to help
27:12
Speaker 2: deal with some of the national security background issues I
27:15
Speaker 2: want to get into with more detail. Former Defense official
27:18
Speaker 2: security expert, of course, adjunct fellow now at the Institute
27:21
Speaker 2: of Public Affairs, Peta Jennings, thank you for your time.
27:25
Speaker 2: I regret we're talking to each other under these circumstances.
27:29
Speaker 2: Before we have a discussion about ASO and what we
27:34
Speaker 2: both know is likely to be happening behind closed doors,
27:36
Speaker 2: I want to get your reaction to these global headlines
27:39
Speaker 2: and the significant response to world leaders, including Donald Trump
27:43
Speaker 2: and Benjamin Netanyahu. I think we have a grab. Let's
27:46
Speaker 2: have a listen. Oh, we haven't got a grab. I
27:52
Speaker 2: feel we've lost our innocence in the past twenty four hours.
27:55
Speaker 2: You know how this is received overseas by all the
27:58
Speaker 2: other intelligence agencies. Our prime ministers also had some very
28:03
Speaker 2: blunt advice from the Israeli PM give me your.
28:07
Speaker 9: View, blunt and angry advice.
28:11
Speaker 17: I think because so many people, including the both of us,
28:14
Speaker 17: Peter knew this was coming. I mean, we've been talking
28:17
Speaker 17: and writing about this for several years, the mounting anger
28:21
Speaker 17: and tension on our streets, the increasing violence, the foreign interference,
28:26
Speaker 17: as you pointed out, the coordinated nature of much of
28:29
Speaker 17: the protest activity. So I think we have frankly got
28:34
Speaker 17: to expect that there are going to be countries and individuals,
28:37
Speaker 17: like many in Congress in the United States, that are
28:39
Speaker 17: going to be extremely critical of our government because the
28:43
Speaker 17: Albanezi government just doesn't get it. Including today, Peter, the
28:47
Speaker 17: Albanese government will read off lists of how they've done
28:50
Speaker 17: things like ban the swastika, for which you can be
28:53
Speaker 17: fined sixteen thousand dollars or something if you carry one.
28:57
Speaker 17: I mean this, when we've seen six seen people killed
29:01
Speaker 17: in Bondai. It's just not good enough, Peter, and our
29:05
Speaker 17: government has to understand that. I think there's a mounting
29:07
Speaker 17: sense of anger amongst all Australians, not just Jews, all Australians,
29:11
Speaker 17: that they need to deal with this thoroughly and quickly,
29:16
Speaker 17: and not by engaging in a few more handout of
29:19
Speaker 17: dollars for security to Jewish groups. This is a national
29:24
Speaker 17: problem and our Prime Minister has to lead in resolving
29:27
Speaker 17: it quickly.
29:30
Speaker 2: I would regard it as a national crisis. And I
29:32
Speaker 2: also think we're not being told enough publicly by the
29:35
Speaker 2: Prime Minister. There's deceptive language in all the press conferences
29:39
Speaker 2: that I'm watching absolutely everything. I'm reading the transcripts again
29:42
Speaker 2: in case I might miss something. Let's have a listen
29:45
Speaker 2: to comments when asked today about the reports, and they
29:49
Speaker 2: were reports only at that time that the younger shooter
29:52
Speaker 2: was known to Azio. Let's have a listen to what
29:55
Speaker 2: the Prime Minister said.
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Speaker 10: He was examined on the basis of being associated with
30:02
Speaker 10: others and the assessment was made that there was no
30:06
Speaker 10: indication of any ongoing threat or threat of him engaging
30:11
Speaker 10: in violence.
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Speaker 2: Okay with others, Peter Jennings, If you look now at
30:18
Speaker 2: the reports on the ABC, the others we're talking about
30:22
Speaker 2: there are in Islamic State cell. Now the Prime Minister
30:27
Speaker 2: deliberately avoided referencing the fact that the others it could
30:31
Speaker 2: have been, you know, some bad dudes down in the park,
30:33
Speaker 2: you know, anything quite benign, because it was then dismissed
30:37
Speaker 2: by Asio. But the others are in Islamic State cell.
30:41
Speaker 2: You and I know what happened around the heightened period
30:44
Speaker 2: of Islamic State in fourteen, fifteen and sixteen, So that
30:48
Speaker 2: would concern me. Did Asio slip up? And are we
30:51
Speaker 2: not being told the whole truth by the Prime Minister?
30:56
Speaker 17: Well, we are clearly not being told the whole truth.
30:58
Speaker 17: And for some reason, the GUP it feels that it
31:00
Speaker 17: needs to continue to sort of hide some of these
31:03
Speaker 17: activities behind a veil, which I think is completely inappropriate
31:08
Speaker 17: and will ultimately come out in time. I think it's
31:12
Speaker 17: the fear of the angry response from the Australian public
31:16
Speaker 17: that makes the government do this. As for Asio's position,
31:19
Speaker 17: ASIO is understaffed and underresourced and has been for a
31:23
Speaker 17: very long time. It puts its biggest priority on being
31:28
Speaker 17: able to deal with the threats which it can identify
31:30
Speaker 17: that may emerge in the next forty eight seventy two hours.
31:34
Speaker 17: And I can't say that I really fault them for that.
31:37
Speaker 17: They can't track everyone that maybe eight or ten years
31:40
Speaker 17: ago might have been showing signs of radicalization. But for
31:44
Speaker 17: all of that, I'm not making excuses here. There's a
31:49
Speaker 17: problem with a father who's a gun owner that has
31:51
Speaker 17: six long arm weapons. There's a problem with a son
31:54
Speaker 17: who is known now to have had some association with
31:57
Speaker 17: the Islamic State. It clearly turned out that he had
32:02
Speaker 17: continued violence on his mind, and we're now.
32:06
Speaker 9: Paying the price for that.
32:07
Speaker 17: And so the question I have is, well, how many
32:09
Speaker 17: other people, how many other father son combinations might there
32:12
Speaker 17: be like that out there? We hear from the head
32:15
Speaker 17: of Asia, Well, there's no current threat that we're aware of,
32:18
Speaker 17: But then again, we weren't aware of this a threat
32:20
Speaker 17: on Sunday evening either. So I think there's every reason
32:23
Speaker 17: for Australians to be seriously concerned. And we're in this
32:26
Speaker 17: situation because the government has allowed it to generate. They've
32:30
Speaker 17: allowed it to heat up over the last couple of years.
32:33
Speaker 17: They've not taken it seriously and now they're going to
32:35
Speaker 17: reap the consequences.
32:38
Speaker 2: I want to play some comments from Mike Bozullo, former
32:40
Speaker 2: Head of Home Affairs, so has had carriage of these
32:44
Speaker 2: areas in the federal government before let's have a listen.
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Speaker 11: The immediate investigation has to be allowed to proceed unfettered.
32:52
Speaker 11: They need to be talking to relatives, to associates, to
32:55
Speaker 11: any affiliates of these two. A gentleman low weather it
33:00
Speaker 11: at that and wait for that. You might miss things
33:02
Speaker 11: that you can reform quickly, and they.
33:04
Speaker 1: Need a parallel effort.
33:05
Speaker 11: I would assign it to my old department, the Department
33:07
Speaker 11: of Home Affairs. There is a counter terrorism coordinator, very
33:11
Speaker 11: senior official, someone that I deeply respect, Hamish Hansford. He
33:15
Speaker 11: should be looking at under the auspices of that title.
33:19
Speaker 11: What can we do immediately, what can we do in
33:21
Speaker 11: the medium term, and what needs to be done in
33:23
Speaker 11: the long term.
33:25
Speaker 2: It hasn't escaped my memory when we had man Haaren monos.
33:28
Speaker 2: If we remember the Lint siege about this same time
33:32
Speaker 2: of year and the atrocities that went on there, that
33:35
Speaker 2: there was an immediate under Prime Minister ABO at the time,
33:38
Speaker 2: and immediate I think it only was three or four weeks,
33:41
Speaker 2: an immediate inquiry so that action could be taken on
33:44
Speaker 2: issues right now in an immediate time frame, and then
33:49
Speaker 2: a longer term inquiry about better coordination in the state
33:52
Speaker 2: and federal level. I have not forgotten either, and I
33:55
Speaker 2: doubt you have that the Prime Minister through the AFP
33:58
Speaker 2: boss and the AZO boss out of the NSC, the
34:01
Speaker 2: National Security Committee of Cabinet. He was forced to bring
34:05
Speaker 2: them back in. But Peter Jennings, this says everything about
34:09
Speaker 2: his understanding of an interest in national security to.
34:13
Speaker 9: Be that's right.
34:15
Speaker 17: He threw out the intelligence heads in March of twenty
34:18
Speaker 17: twenty four and he brought in Chris Bow and the
34:20
Speaker 17: Energy and Climate Change Minister because that's what his priorities were.
34:24
Speaker 17: And look, I mostly agree with Mike Pozzullo's comments, Peter,
34:29
Speaker 17: we can't just wait for a police investigation here.
34:32
Speaker 9: There's a couple of things I would do. I would
34:34
Speaker 9: recall Parliament.
34:35
Speaker 17: I would create an opportunity for every single member of
34:38
Speaker 17: Parliament and the Senate to be on the record saying
34:41
Speaker 17: where they are when it comes to dealing with this
34:43
Speaker 17: issue of antisemitism. I think it's important we know where
34:46
Speaker 17: our elected representatives are. The second thing I'd do is
34:50
Speaker 17: I'd bring Jillian Siegull, the anti Semitism Envoy, into Cabinet
34:55
Speaker 17: and I would say that cabinet should instantly agree to
34:58
Speaker 17: adopt all of her recommendation for counting anti semitism, and
35:01
Speaker 17: then the prime ministers should drive every minister around the
35:05
Speaker 17: cabinet table to say, right, you've got a month to
35:07
Speaker 17: tell me how you're going to implement your part of
35:10
Speaker 17: the Seagull recommendations in your areas of portfolio of responsibility
35:15
Speaker 17: across Australia.
35:16
Speaker 9: And I think there are many other things that can
35:19
Speaker 9: be done.
35:21
Speaker 17: Overwhelmingly, though, all I get is a sense of passivity
35:24
Speaker 17: from Anthony Alberanzi. He's going to wait to see what
35:26
Speaker 17: the police investigation comes up with and then maybe he'll
35:29
Speaker 17: think about doing things. No, the Prime minister has to lead.
35:33
Speaker 17: We don't wait for police reports. We elect our representatives
35:37
Speaker 17: for them to take responsibility for these actions. That's what
35:40
Speaker 17: this government has failed to do. And now I think
35:43
Speaker 17: Alberzi needs to lead or get out of the way.
35:47
Speaker 2: Get out of the way or laid. You're spot on there.
35:50
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Petter Jennings. Let's stay with policing.
35:53
Speaker 2: We'll speak with a former federal Australian Federal Police Detective
35:57
Speaker 2: Superintendent David Craig, who joins me now. David, one of
36:02
Speaker 2: the things that I noticed yesterday was how quickly and
36:04
Speaker 2: it's a good thing the new South Wales Police Commissioner
36:07
Speaker 2: mal Lanion made that declaration of a terror event. Explain
36:11
Speaker 2: to people at home why that is so necessary in
36:14
Speaker 2: terms of now enabling all the coordination that we'd want
36:18
Speaker 2: to see, would all want to see at a state
36:20
Speaker 2: and federal level.
36:22
Speaker 18: Well, it was interesting that that declaration came from the
36:25
Speaker 18: State Police and it was very apt and appropriate for
36:28
Speaker 18: Lanion to do that. It opens up additional resourcing investigative
36:34
Speaker 18: tools that the AFP and the Joint cap Terrorism Teams
36:37
Speaker 18: with the State Police n ASIO can work towards and
36:40
Speaker 18: quickly track what is going on in a particular situation.
36:44
Speaker 18: So it was very well done. I think the coordination
36:48
Speaker 18: was okay, but there we have got this is a
36:53
Speaker 18: cornerstone moment, Peter. If we don't change what we're doing now,
36:58
Speaker 18: then we're always doing We've always done, We'll always get
37:00
Speaker 18: what we've always got, and what we've got right now
37:02
Speaker 18: is an escalation in anti Semitism, a rise in radical
37:06
Speaker 18: Islamic movement and sentiment and acceptance in the wider Australian community.
37:12
Speaker 18: And we need to take some steps and there are
37:14
Speaker 18: many that we can take to try and correct this,
37:16
Speaker 18: and nothing has been done by Anthony Elveneasy since October seventh.
37:22
Speaker 18: I've served as in the Australian Father Police under five
37:25
Speaker 18: prime ministers. I was a bodyguard for three of them,
37:28
Speaker 18: and I've never been so disappointed with a week spinalists
37:32
Speaker 18: prime minister as I have been. He's allowed this anti
37:35
Speaker 18: Semitism to fester on his watch, and now look what
37:38
Speaker 18: he's got. And it's not just now, it's what's going
37:40
Speaker 18: to happen next.
37:43
Speaker 2: They are very strong, very strong words, David Craig, from
37:47
Speaker 2: anyone who's been in a role, a non partisan role
37:51
Speaker 2: as yours. So I think we're all taking stock of
37:54
Speaker 2: what you just said. There a spineless prime minister, the
37:57
Speaker 2: weakest prime minister that you have seen close quarters. How
38:02
Speaker 2: on earth, I think most Australians are asking this today,
38:04
Speaker 2: How on earth does a father who is not an
38:06
Speaker 2: Australian citizen. As we can see from the visa status
38:10
Speaker 2: forced out today from Tony Burke that has a SUN
38:14
Speaker 2: linked to an Islamic State terror cell. The Prime Minister
38:18
Speaker 2: can't even say that it is Islamic state terror cell.
38:22
Speaker 2: In his press conference he tried to dodge around that one.
38:24
Speaker 2: How on earth does that man not only get access
38:27
Speaker 2: to licensing of six military type weapons and certainly long
38:32
Speaker 2: armed weapons, but the way in which he and his
38:35
Speaker 2: son moved, I mean it looked like they've had some
38:38
Speaker 2: level of paramilitary training. That's the view of other law
38:41
Speaker 2: enforcement men and women I spoke to today. How does
38:45
Speaker 2: that happen?
38:47
Speaker 18: Look, the effects of the suspect Navid with Islamic State
38:54
Speaker 18: was six years ago. I think that things can change
38:57
Speaker 18: even if the licensing laws were amended. Now well, I
39:01
Speaker 18: think what's really dangerous, Peter, is that we dress and
39:05
Speaker 18: packaged this up as this is a fire firearms licensing issue.
39:09
Speaker 16: This is not.
39:10
Speaker 18: That's just the means that was used.
39:11
Speaker 2: I agree. I agree with you there. Sorry, yeah, I
39:15
Speaker 2: agree with you that that's that's You're absolutely right, and
39:18
Speaker 2: that's my next question. A concern I have is very
39:21
Speaker 2: quickly we've got this National Cabinet meeting this afternoon, the
39:25
Speaker 2: PM and all the premiers, and it's now become about
39:28
Speaker 2: the licensing regime for weapons in this country. It's a
39:31
Speaker 2: debate about the six guns and not what the man
39:35
Speaker 2: did with the gun. It's not the gun that slaughtered
39:37
Speaker 2: the people on the beach in Bondai yesterday. It's a deranged,
39:43
Speaker 2: g hardest type person who did the damage. And we
39:46
Speaker 2: can't confuse the two issues.
39:49
Speaker 18: One hundred percent.
39:50
Speaker 10: Peter.
39:50
Speaker 18: There are some in the press that are drawing parallels
39:54
Speaker 18: with port Arthur. But port Arthur came to a point
39:57
Speaker 18: where it was so dangerous that we and allow these
40:00
Speaker 18: types of firearms to get in the hands of someone
40:03
Speaker 18: that thinks like Martin Bryant. Now, fortunately our society doesn't
40:07
Speaker 18: have many to think like him. However, these two suspects,
40:11
Speaker 18: there are plenty on Azos radar and the AFP's radar
40:15
Speaker 18: that do think like this. So if they don't get
40:18
Speaker 18: access to firearms, I'll get access to all weapon or
40:21
Speaker 18: I'll get access to explosives.
40:23
Speaker 9: We need to.
40:23
Speaker 18: Rethink how we are policing counterintelligence counter terrorism in our country.
40:32
Speaker 2: Olive there we will speak, I'm sure of the next
40:34
Speaker 2: few days. Thank you, David Craig. All right after the
40:37
Speaker 2: break former Prime Minister Tony Abbott Live, welcome back on
40:46
Speaker 2: now to the political fallout and the fact that Anthony
40:49
Speaker 2: Albitteasy has been warned time and time again that this
40:53
Speaker 2: could happen if we allowed you hate to grow infester
40:57
Speaker 2: in Australia. Joining me is someone who has led the
40:59
Speaker 2: nation for I'm a Prime minister at Tony Abbott. Tony,
41:02
Speaker 2: thank you for your time at twenty four hours on now,
41:06
Speaker 2: a very dark time for our country. But it wasn't
41:09
Speaker 2: as if we were not warned.
41:11
Speaker 6: Was it.
41:15
Speaker 2: You're right, Peter.
41:17
Speaker 14: The horror of all of this is that this is
41:21
Speaker 14: the worst atrocity perpetrated against Jewish people anywhere in the
41:25
Speaker 14: world since October seven, and it happened here in Australia,
41:31
Speaker 14: a country that has always prided itself on how well
41:35
Speaker 14: everyone got on. And without wanting to be too personal,
41:42
Speaker 14: I think that what we've seen from all levels of
41:45
Speaker 14: government in this country since October the seventh is handringing
41:51
Speaker 14: impotence in the face of example after example of due hatred.
41:57
Speaker 14: No hate preachers have been deported or prosecuted, no hate
42:01
Speaker 14: marches have been banned. Excuses have been made time and
42:06
Speaker 14: time again for people screaming out f the Jews or
42:12
Speaker 14: screaming out death to the IDF. Now, if you effectively
42:18
Speaker 14: tolerate hateful thoughts, sooner or later you'll have hate filled actions.
42:26
Speaker 14: And that's what we've got. What we have got here
42:30
Speaker 14: twenty four hours ago is if you're like the consequence
42:34
Speaker 14: of two years of sustained hate speech against Jewish Australians.
42:41
Speaker 2: In the press conferences today, you know, when I asked
42:43
Speaker 2: really pointed questions Home Affairs Minister Tony Burke and the
42:47
Speaker 2: Prime Minister Ben Burke in particular, they dodged and weaved,
42:52
Speaker 2: They gave non answers are they Duckshove questions? They said
42:56
Speaker 2: that I'm not cleared to say this, that I am
42:58
Speaker 2: not cleared to say that things had to be drawn
43:01
Speaker 2: right out from them, particularly the fact that the elder shooter,
43:06
Speaker 2: an now deceased shooter doesn't appear to have been an
43:09
Speaker 2: Australian citizen, was going backwards and forwards to his home
43:12
Speaker 2: country of Pakistan. God knows what he was doing while
43:17
Speaker 2: he was there. All of these things, Tony Abbott, Australians
43:21
Speaker 2: deserve answers to it. We deserve a Prime Minister and
43:24
Speaker 2: a Foreign a Home Affairs minister who look like they
43:27
Speaker 2: are in charge, that they are across their brief that
43:30
Speaker 2: they are running the show in Canberra, because it does
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Speaker 2: not feel like that right now.
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Speaker 14: Yes, Peter, Look, we have a government which is comprised
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Speaker 14: of social justice warriors, not of national security warriors. I
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Speaker 14: don't think anyone in this government ever looks comfortable talking
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Speaker 14: about national security. And yet that is the first responsibility
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Speaker 14: of government to keep our people safe and to keep
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Speaker 14: our country free. And we really do have to wake
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Speaker 14: up to ourselves. We cannot keep importing hatreds from overseas.
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Speaker 14: We have to look into the backgrounds of people who
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Speaker 14: get long term visas to live in this country and
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Speaker 14: if their values and attitudes are inconsistent with living in
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Speaker 14: a free, liberal, pluralist democracy like Australia, well we shouldn't
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Speaker 14: have them.
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Speaker 2: I think we're all sick of politicians laying flowers down
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Speaker 2: after the event tiny. We want them to stop this happening.
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Speaker 14: Exactly right, Peter. It's one thing saying that we need
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Speaker 14: to wrap our arms around Jewish Australians hang on what
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Speaker 14: Jewish Australians want is protection, not sympathy after the event,
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Speaker 14: and that's what plainly they haven't got. I just repeat, Peter,
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Speaker 14: a serious, serious government in this country, he would have
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Speaker 14: deported hate preachers. It would have prosecuted people spilling the
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Speaker 14: bile that we've seen all too often in our streets
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Speaker 14: and in mosques and prayer rooms, and it would have
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Speaker 14: banned these hate marches. I mean, what possessed the authorities
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Speaker 14: in New South Wales and in Canberra to permit that
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Speaker 14: march across the Sydney Harbor Bridge. What motivated them to
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Speaker 14: turn what was effectively a blind eye to the protest
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Speaker 14: on the steps of the Opera House within thirty six
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Speaker 14: hours of the October seven atrocity.
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Speaker 9: I mean, the.
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Speaker 14: Only one who was arrested on that infamous night was
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Speaker 14: someone carrying a Star of David flag. I mean, we
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Speaker 14: have just got this completely wrong from the beginning and
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Speaker 14: it must change, and it must change from now.
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Speaker 2: I'd like you to stay with me, Tony Abbott. I
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Speaker 2: think this is an incredibly fortnite to speak to you about,
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Speaker 2: particularly where we go to now with terror and the
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Speaker 2: scourge of Islamism now in Australia. Stay with me. Quick break.
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Speaker 2: After the break, will turn it with Tony Abbot. Welcome back,
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Speaker 2: still with me Former Prime Minister Tony Abbott. Tony Abbott
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Speaker 2: today at Bonnai at the Pavilion, New South Wales. Green
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Speaker 2: Senator David Shuebridge turns up and had a pretty terse
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Speaker 2: conversation with my colleague Carolyn Marcus. Let's have a listen.
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Speaker 2: Do you take any responsibility for the environment that's been created,
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Speaker 2: that this has happened?
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Speaker 14: People protesting against the genocide is a moment of showing
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Speaker 14: common humanity.
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Speaker 2: I was talking to Peter Jennings a moment ago and
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Speaker 2: he said if he was in charge, he would recall
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Speaker 2: the Parliament and he would force everybody in the Parliament,
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Speaker 2: particularly those in the Upper House, very clearly on the
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Speaker 2: record voters in the future where they stand on the
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Speaker 2: issue of anti Semitism.
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Speaker 14: Yeah, or due hatred, which I think is a better description. Look,
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Speaker 14: I think we've got a real problem with some people
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Speaker 14: who should know better promoting hatred of Israel, and that
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Speaker 14: easily spills over into hatred of Jewish people more generally,
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Speaker 14: and hatred hatred of Jewish people more generally can as
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Speaker 14: we saw spill over into the kind of atrocity we've
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Speaker 14: just witnessed. I think that's a real problem. I also think, Peter,
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Speaker 14: if I may say so, that some versions of Islam
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Speaker 14: are not really compatible with life in a liberal, democratic,
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Speaker 14: pluralist society. Strict versions of Islam are not consistent with
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Speaker 14: fragument's sake, freedom of conscience, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, democracy.
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Speaker 14: I mean, you can believe in the virgin birth and
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Speaker 14: still support liberal democracy. You can believe in the real
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Speaker 14: presence and still support liberal democracy.
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Speaker 2: But I don't.
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Speaker 14: Believe that you can support sharia law, for instance, certainly
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Speaker 14: not a strict form of Sharia law, and still support
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Speaker 14: liberal democracy. And I do think that for too long
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Speaker 14: we have run away from these issues with this facile
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Speaker 14: idea that all cultures are equal, all cultures are pretty
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Speaker 14: much the same, everyone's basically a good bloke. And what
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Speaker 14: we've seen is that under the influence of extremist ideas
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Speaker 14: and hate preaching, not everyone is a good bloke, certainly
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Speaker 14: not all the time to everyone.
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Speaker 2: So why and then by secret bring back all those
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Speaker 2: Islamic state women are not like to call them brides.
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Speaker 2: They were co conspirators, as you and I both know
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Speaker 2: very well. And why on earth do we take in
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Speaker 2: three thousand Gazans that we could scarcely check appropriately given
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Speaker 2: our lack of security personnel on the ground.
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Speaker 14: Why these very good questions, Peter, and I think a
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Speaker 14: lot of Australians would find them pretty incomprehensible. Unfortunately, most
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Speaker 14: of what happens in politics goes on without much scrutiny.
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Speaker 14: And this is why we've got to be very careful
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Speaker 14: about the governments we elect, because so much happens all
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Speaker 14: the time, largely behind closed doors. And if you've got
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Speaker 14: a government which is more interested in demonstrating its pro
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Speaker 14: Palestinian credentials than it is in keeping our country safe,
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Speaker 14: this is exactly the kind of thing that happens.
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Speaker 2: My phone is flirted with people, Tony who want you
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Speaker 2: to stay in the debate on this one, who wants
50:07
Speaker 2: you to help force some leadership in our country at
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Speaker 2: a time when we desperately needed and aspine for our leaders.
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Speaker 2: So please do not drop your voice from the debate.
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Speaker 2: Thank you, Tony Avan. That's it for me. I wish
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Speaker 2: it had been a better night of news to bring you.
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Speaker 2: It's a tough night. He's Andrew