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The Top 5 Low Points in KeyForge - 2024’s Toughest Moments · Archons Corner

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  Speaker 1: Space. You used it in the wrong episode. Man, that's okay.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I have already been gifted an episode uh song
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  Speaker 2: for this one.
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  Speaker 3: But what's going on? Everybody?
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  Speaker 2: I am the one the only w o okay. I
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  Speaker 2: you joined by one misfit short of a happy meal.
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  Speaker 2: We actually that's not a regular basis thing. But we
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  Speaker 2: have the e Walkyist of e Walksy Walk Jr.
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  Speaker 1: Hello Key for community, glad to be our sane full
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  Speaker 1: twenty four pack of Chicken Nuggies.
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  Speaker 2: He'll be around eventually. I account for about twenty of
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  Speaker 2: those chicken nuggies. But and we have our resident PhD
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  Speaker 2: doctor m Sheep.
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  Speaker 4: I think we're more like the one dollar four pack
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  Speaker 4: at Burger Keg.
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  Speaker 2: It's possible, but we're skipping all this stuff. I know
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  Speaker 2: you put a lot of hard work into it. I'm
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  Speaker 2: going to give you a brief intro Nico's next weekend.
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  Speaker 2: Either you're going or you're not. Who won abr Is
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  Speaker 2: it over yet?
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  Speaker 4: Nope?
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  Speaker 2: So nobody cares to square in the all right, it's
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  Speaker 2: rigged yay. Discovery releases tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: There are a few pictures on the Internet of people
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  Speaker 4: with Discovery stuff, so it is going.
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  Speaker 2: Out by the time I released that, by the time
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  Speaker 2: you listen to this, discovery will be out, but you
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  Speaker 2: will have none because nobody knows about it.
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  Speaker 1: Well no, no, there's a number of people in the
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  Speaker 1: community who will know about it, and that's because they're excited.
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  Speaker 1: It's just is Gigi going to tell anyone about it?
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  Speaker 1: And that answer is we'll get to that when we
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  Speaker 1: get to our well is it bottom eight bottom ten
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  Speaker 1: worst things of twenty twenty five for this year? I
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  Speaker 1: mean it's the same thing, right, you know what we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna bitch about. Let's just scare on the list and.
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  Speaker 4: Dead things for twenty twenty five.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, wow, yeah, yeah, we have well, we have eight.
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  Speaker 1: We're in twenty twenty four.
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  Speaker 2: I'm sorry, twenty twenty four, twenty twenty five. We expect
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  Speaker 2: more of the same. But uh no, marketing is no article,
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  Speaker 2: no nothing. If you know, you know, I'm winking at
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  Speaker 2: all of you. You can't see it, wink.
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  Speaker 1: Come on gg do better?
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  Speaker 2: Like, seriously, I feel I see dev Dev in the
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  Speaker 2: audience now. I want to play smash or Past with
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  Speaker 2: dev Dev and explain to him why Tupac would smash.
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  Speaker 2: But let's get into the bottom eight things for key
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  Speaker 2: Forge twenty twenty four number eight. This one you're gonna
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  Speaker 2: have to explain to me, doctor Sheep. It is Tokens
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  Speaker 2: of Change. Yeah, that set. It is on my list
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  Speaker 2: of things I don't like from last year.
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  Speaker 3: Great.
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  Speaker 4: It feels so on balanced. It's not a very good
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  Speaker 4: experience to play with generally, and it's just it doesn't
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  Speaker 4: add good things to the competitive scene in my opinion.
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  Speaker 4: It adds a lot of it added stuff and all
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  Speaker 4: the tokens to the new houses at cool. But at
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  Speaker 4: the same time like that set does not feel like
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  Speaker 4: it was ready for release.
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  Speaker 2: And that there's me who wholeheartedly disagrees with Sheep. Bring
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  Speaker 2: on the degeneracy. I like degenerate stuff, so kind of
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  Speaker 2: plays with our next ZO point seven right, which is
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  Speaker 2: the watch me play scenarios, I think, and I think
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  Speaker 2: you're mainly pointing this at grimm reminders.
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  Speaker 3: Am I incorrect? At that?
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  Speaker 2: Still you after sheet? I think this will as me, Oh,
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  Speaker 2: this one I figured was you. It must have been
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  Speaker 2: draz Cor who's not here.
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  Speaker 1: I will say that we are seeing a higher occurrence.
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  Speaker 1: I know this is Drascorp's baby, So you can talk
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  Speaker 1: a little bit more about it. But when we're talking
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  Speaker 1: card balance for the new sets, there definitely seems to
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  Speaker 1: be a large discrepancy that we're seeing with GG created
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  Speaker 1: sets versus previous FFG sets. I will also say a
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  Speaker 1: subtopic here would be the amount of cards per set
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  Speaker 1: with a decrease you have seen. I don't know. Some
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  Speaker 1: of the lows are really really bad on some of
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  Speaker 1: the decks, and some of the highs are really really high.
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  Speaker 1: So I don't know, Wikie. I know you enjoy that
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  Speaker 1: sort of thing, but as a whole, I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that it's good game design, and I think it's problematic
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  Speaker 1: for our game.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I think the main thing we have to focus
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  Speaker 2: on here is what who is the market?
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  Speaker 3: Who's your market? Is it kitchen table players or is
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  Speaker 3: it competitive players?
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  Speaker 1: Well, for us, we want to talk as competitive players.
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  Speaker 1: That's what the whole point of the cast is. But
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  Speaker 1: I think that they have really narrowed in that it
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  Speaker 1: is your kitchen table players. That that's what I'm.
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  Speaker 2: Seeing, That's that's what they want to market to. So
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  Speaker 2: I mean with more sets, like I mean, I'm sorry,
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  Speaker 2: Actually you know what, I'm not sorry, Amber Sky's Doo doo.
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  Speaker 3: It's bad. They're nothing good about it. Horrid.
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  Speaker 2: I agree on that, but you can disagree all you
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  Speaker 2: want until it would until it does something I'm not
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  Speaker 2: I'm not holding my breath.
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  Speaker 1: It took the open for Arcan.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it took the open for Arcan. I mean even
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  Speaker 2: a blind find as a kernel of corner ry.
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  Speaker 1: Now and again, DT didn't do that required for alliance.
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  Speaker 2: DT is a special animal we put in the corner
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  Speaker 2: and don't you know that child? We all don't talk about.
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  Speaker 2: That's DT.
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  Speaker 1: Can I say the same for AOA.
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  Speaker 3: We talk about AOA, but not in a good way.
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  Speaker 4: That the Amber Skies has not been out nearly long
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  Speaker 4: enough to do anything.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, And I will argue if you actually look at
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  Speaker 1: what some of the Amber Sky's decks have, I think
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  Speaker 1: there's a I think there is. There are a number
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  Speaker 1: of decks that have a lot of potential that have leans,
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  Speaker 1: and I think that you're going to see them being played.
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  Speaker 4: I think what he just hasn't experienced, uh, the degeneracy
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  Speaker 4: that comes out of that set. Yes, And it's it's
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  Speaker 4: like tokens have change and like if you don't get
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  Speaker 4: typically like one of the two things that makes it good,
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  Speaker 4: you get a bunch of junk.
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  Speaker 1: And so that really comes back when I'm saying, you know,
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  Speaker 1: card balance, just make sure that there is a balance
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  Speaker 1: to the sets where they've play tested. Like, I don't know,
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  Speaker 1: there's just some real concerns. I know, devdev here. I
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  Speaker 1: like the idea from a previous episode that you talked
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  Speaker 1: about with having kind of that hierarchy of you know,
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  Speaker 1: three main components, so two that represent the base for
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  Speaker 1: each house and one representing kind of what the theme
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  Speaker 1: is for the sets in that individual house. And I
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  Speaker 1: think that's honestly missing. I think that we need to
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  Speaker 1: have something that's a little bit more substantial. And maybe
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  Speaker 1: the question is is it because there's so many sets
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  Speaker 1: that are coming out that we're pushed in a very
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  Speaker 1: very short period of time.
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  Speaker 2: No, there's there's too many bad card designs, right, there
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  Speaker 2: are just too many cards with a short With a
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  Speaker 2: smaller set, you don't have as much room for bad cards,
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  Speaker 2: and there are a lot of cards that do absolutely nothing.
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  Speaker 4: Bad cards are definitely more impactful. It's really the truth, though,
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  Speaker 4: is that good cards are even higher impactful because you
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  Speaker 4: get more copies of them. Possibly discrepancy in decks is big.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you got I mean, I don't know. I
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  Speaker 2: I see Morgan in the audience. Ember Skies has the
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  Speaker 2: highest ceiling. It's okay, you can be wrong.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think I don't think that.
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  Speaker 3: I don't.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I've been gone for a little while, but like,
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  Speaker 2: where is this degeneracy anyone's talking about? It enhanced a
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  Speaker 2: couple of artifacts and pip enhanced corner the markets.
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  Speaker 4: They're ridiculous.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, So if you get like one thing.
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  Speaker 1: You're looking at for any competitive deck is that it's
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  Speaker 1: such a high niche point two percent, Like you're not
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  Speaker 1: talking every standardized deck that's coming out.
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  Speaker 3: See.
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  Speaker 2: But that was the fun thing about the last set
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  Speaker 2: is that there was a lot that could make things
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  Speaker 2: broken and busted, and you had an opportunity. Now we're
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  Speaker 2: back to, well, maybe you get a good deck, maybe
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  Speaker 2: you probably don't.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah. GR definitely had a few more options for making
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  Speaker 4: things than some of the current sets do.
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  Speaker 3: It was extraordinarily more exciting.
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  Speaker 4: I mean it's yeah, I mean, I think GR is
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  Speaker 4: on average more powerful.
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  Speaker 2: I was more excited and still more excited to open
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  Speaker 2: a GR deck than I have will ever be to
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  Speaker 2: open an ember Sky's deck.
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  Speaker 4: Hey, guys, so you can keep buying it.
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  Speaker 3: I do care to the rant are we ah we
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  Speaker 3: well we we're kind of bumping around here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, let's give it. Let's give the quick summary,
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  Speaker 1: free dress, Hello, dres, welcome, Hey guys, what's going? And
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  Speaker 1: uh then Wookie like skipped all the top going through
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  Speaker 1: a very very brief, breeded, abbreviated piece. We had talked
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  Speaker 1: like you normally do. Uh No, he just kept running.
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  Speaker 1: Sheep had tokens of change. I does not like that.
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  Speaker 1: And Wookie, uh, watch me play scenarios? That was we
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  Speaker 1: had hypothesize that was you from I did talk us,
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  Speaker 1: talk us through, watch me play scenarios? Why did you have?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah? So so I so. The reason I put watch
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  Speaker 3: me play scenarios is because, all right, sometimes I hear
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  Speaker 3: folks complain about g R or one of the newer sets,
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  Speaker 3: about how it was just too strong, And I don't
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  Speaker 3: think that is the right complaint in my personal opinion.
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  Speaker 3: Right now, you know, you know you got where we're
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  Speaker 3: pretty you want if it's wrong. But in my mind,
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  Speaker 3: the problem that is in a subset of GR is
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  Speaker 3: that the strong thing turns into a you just have
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  Speaker 3: to sit there and watch me do stuff. For five
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  Speaker 3: minutes and and at the end of that like you're
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  Speaker 3: screwed or you know, I win. And I don't think
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  Speaker 3: those are good experiences for the game. I think we
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  Speaker 3: should want to have strong things in the game, but
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  Speaker 3: we shouldn't have things that are strong or even things
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  Speaker 3: that aren't that strong, where it's like I just loop
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  Speaker 3: things forever and then for a long time, and let
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  Speaker 3: me just watch me play me while you sit there,
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  Speaker 3: I'm I'm paging.
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  Speaker 2: Oh yes, yeah, you can concede at anytime, the rule
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  Speaker 2: book says. So I don't know if hear this piece
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  Speaker 2: of paper the rules that true. But that's able to
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  Speaker 2: concede at any time happens. That happens all the time
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  Speaker 2: and high end card games.
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  Speaker 1: So but but here's here's where I think Keyfarge is different.
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  Speaker 1: In unique Keyfordge. With the premise of it being a
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  Speaker 1: race game, I want to see that we're coming neck
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  Speaker 1: and neck and that there's some Jocelyn going back and forth.
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  Speaker 1: If you just bust out and all of a sudden
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  Speaker 1: there is no chance coming back, it's no longer fun.
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  Speaker 1: And so I don't know, I want to see that
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  Speaker 1: there is a fair fight, that it's at least close.
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  Speaker 1: I'd also like to see that it's not just straight
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  Speaker 1: card poll. Okay, you pulled better cards than me, but
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  Speaker 1: there's some skill and the ability to pilots and to
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  Speaker 1: run my deck.
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  Speaker 3: Ah yeah, yeah, I think you are in the wrong game.
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  Speaker 3: I'm not gonna light to you at all. Let me
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  Speaker 3: let me tell you. Let me tell you. There's an old, old,
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  Speaker 3: old wrestling promo that's called the cream always rises to
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  Speaker 3: the top. The cream is those top decks. They will
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  Speaker 3: rise to the top. The top decks will always be Yes,
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  Speaker 3: the top decks will always rise to the top.
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  Speaker 1: They have a higher go ahead.
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  Speaker 3: Well, but I think, but we're not seeing a single
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  Speaker 3: deck or a single archetype always be the thing. There
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  Speaker 3: are a number of really strong decks. How many accolades
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  Speaker 3: does fraud have?
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  Speaker 1: Does does fraud have a high chance at being able
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  Speaker 1: to make top table for our gun? Yes, we all
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  Speaker 1: agree on that, no matter who's no, no, no, no.
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  Speaker 3: Here's the next question to a second place finish.
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  Speaker 1: But does fraud is fraud guaranteed to make it? And
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  Speaker 1: the answer there is no. It has a higher probability,
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  Speaker 1: but is not guaranteed to make it. And I think
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  Speaker 1: that's a distinction that we need to be able to state.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I do, there's definitely you know, if you've been
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  Speaker 3: playing the game for a bit and of opened you know,
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  Speaker 3: a few dozen decks, right, so a bit, it's not
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  Speaker 3: super long there. But if you're newish to the game,
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  Speaker 3: you open a few dozen decks, you're like, I'll go
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  Speaker 3: to a big event. I think you'll have a lot
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  Speaker 3: of fun. But I don't know that you have a
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  Speaker 3: great chance for arkan for winning whole thing. Now, you
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  Speaker 3: do have a chance that sealed, but I don't know
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  Speaker 3: that that's not necessarily bad though, I don't think that's bad.
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  Speaker 3: Like I think meta is relatively healthy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think in comparison to other games, the meta
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  Speaker 1: is very healthy. I appreciate being able to see that.
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  Speaker 1: I also think that there should be a reward for
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  Speaker 1: people who play their decks and who are involved heavily
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  Speaker 1: in this game, that, yes, they should be able to
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  Speaker 1: be successful versus someone just coming in off the street
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  Speaker 1: and going ahead and hey, I don't know anything about
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  Speaker 1: key Forge, but I'm gonna go ahead and make of
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  Speaker 1: that top eight table. I don't think that's expected in
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  Speaker 1: any single card game.
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  Speaker 3: Right, right, All right? Should we move into M plus
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  Speaker 3: gigantic pull rates. Yeah, I don't have my want wanh
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  Speaker 3: wah horn or my price is right bump bump bump.
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  Speaker 3: So I think Sheep was the first one to put
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  Speaker 3: this in, but I do agree.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty self explanatory, right, like we we're all
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  Speaker 4: excited that they're going to make some new stuff. Who
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  Speaker 4: is going to have these new creatures that you're gonna
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  Speaker 4: want to play? And then the drop it.
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  Speaker 3: Was and then you don't get the new creatures you
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  Speaker 3: want to play.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, Okay, On a side note, because I definitely had
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  Speaker 1: this and this bothered me this year, we voiced it.
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  Speaker 1: Have has anyone else in the audience, and I want
• 16:15
  Speaker 1: you guys to send in some messages on our arks
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  Speaker 1: Corner discord. Has anyone else noticed that the rate seems
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: to be higher on more recent, more mass Mutations boxes
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  Speaker 1: than our earliest sets are the earliest boxes that came.
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  Speaker 3: Out, So I.
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  Speaker 1: Mean, Morgan, I'm not joking, like I do think that
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  Speaker 1: that has been tweaked because we have complained about it,
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  Speaker 1: and if so, I appreciate it, But I am telling
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  Speaker 1: you it seems higher than when the boxes that came
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  Speaker 1: to the stores it seems significantly lower, and right now
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  Speaker 1: it's been pretty high, so I appreciate that.
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  Speaker 3: So I all right, So it was a few weeks
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  Speaker 3: ago now, but I knew my my store owner purchased
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  Speaker 3: additional More Mutation, and I normally buy one when I'm
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  Speaker 3: in there, I'll buy more Amber skies, talk whatever, but
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  Speaker 3: I'll buy one. Right, but I was, I was starting
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  Speaker 3: to slow down. I was like, ah, I still want
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  Speaker 3: to buy one, Like it's nope, you the chances are
• 17:27
  Speaker 3: going to get something. But somebody was like, oh, let's
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  Speaker 3: play more Mutation. So we all there was five of
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  Speaker 3: us that night, so we all bought. I'm I'm not
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: sure if everybody got from the new box or not.
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  Speaker 3: I just know that I bought last and three of
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  Speaker 3: the five of us got a Gigantic and then and
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  Speaker 3: I was like, oh cool, Like I actually got a Gigantic.
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  Speaker 3: And then the week after that, I bought another one
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  Speaker 3: and I got a Gigantic again, and I was like sweet,
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  Speaker 3: And tonight I went to the store. I did buy
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  Speaker 3: an MM. I actually didn't open it though I didn't
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  Speaker 3: get to. We ended up playing uh not More Mutation,
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  Speaker 3: and uh, I don't know, well, I'm not going to
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  Speaker 3: open it because I only opened when I play it,
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  Speaker 3: so I have to wait and see. But then before
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  Speaker 3: I bought all that French ao A and just ripped
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  Speaker 3: it all open and then didn't play any of it,
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  Speaker 3: I was like, this was just a waste, so I
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  Speaker 3: only opened X I'm gonna play it. So but in
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  Speaker 3: that small sample size, that like, there's definitely been a
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  Speaker 3: lot more oh oh in the when.
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  Speaker 1: What was it?
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  Speaker 3: A couple of weeks ago when I bought my the
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  Speaker 3: second time I got the Gigantic. The other guy who
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  Speaker 3: we decided to have a MM matchup, he also opened
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  Speaker 3: a Gigantic. So of the last seven that I was
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  Speaker 3: paying attention, five of them had Gigantics. So that doesn't
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  Speaker 3: prove anything.
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  Speaker 1: But no, it doesn't. The sample size is very very small,
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  Speaker 1: but just yeah, it feels. It feels like there has
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  Speaker 1: been a switch. And I'm gonna tell you if if
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  Speaker 1: it is actual reality, I appreciate it because early on
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  Speaker 1: it was a real turn off. We had people we
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: all went through full box. There was nothing, not a
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  Speaker 1: single Gigantic there, and okay, there it is basically then
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  Speaker 1: more mass mutation. There just was more of it and
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  Speaker 1: not anything that we were excited to be able to play,
• 19:44
  Speaker 1: and it really was a downer for our group and
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  Speaker 1: four me personally being able to draw and then to
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  Speaker 1: see the new box came in after we had sold
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: through a couple of them. The new box, it seems
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  Speaker 1: to be every other deck that we're going ahead and
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  Speaker 1: pulling again, smaller sample size even with that twelve, but
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  Speaker 1: I like seeing the larger gigantic. I like to see
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  Speaker 1: a higher amount of them. So if that's a change
• 20:13
  Speaker 1: that has happened, thank you. I actually went and picked
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: up a few more just because, hey, let's go ahead
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: and pull some gigantics. I think they're fun to play
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: with if nothing else. And if we're looking Wookie at
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: that earlier topic of hey, we're trying to play for
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: some casuals, some people who are sitting around a kitchen table,
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: then throw in more of the gigantics. Why not. It's
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: not going to go ahead and break the game open
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: and completely bust it compared to everything else that we're seeing.
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: So put in multiple gigantics. Let's have some fun with it.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Let's see what it can do.
• 20:45
  Speaker 3: Totally totally yawn. Oh yeah, yeah, So Wookie, have you
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: opened a gigantic. No no, And if you were to,
• 20:59
  Speaker 3: would you get excited by it? No? No, No, it's
• 21:03
  Speaker 3: not cool enough.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: Would you would you get excited by anything right now?
• 21:08
  Speaker 3: Yeah? Yes I would. If I got a vault to
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: her Caliber deck, I would get excited.
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: That's because you won the lottery, if you if you've
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: pulled that.
• 21:20
  Speaker 2: But I'm tired of it being about winning the fucking lottery.
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Every time I go to open a key Forge deck,
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: I do.
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: Like I assessed deck tonight, this isn't the game for you, Like,
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: maybe that isn't That is.
• 21:34
  Speaker 4: Half the feature of key Forge is that it's not
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: a I can just go by and play the same
• 21:39
  Speaker 4: deck everybody else is playing.
• 21:41
  Speaker 3: Yay, Well maybe, but I will tell you that I
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: felt a ton better and still do feel a ton
• 21:49
  Speaker 3: better opening Grim Reminders than I do any other set
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: in KeyForge.
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: Now it's.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: Right, and it gives me the feeling that I can
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: go bring buy it and do well somewhere, as opposed
• 22:06
  Speaker 2: to buying it and knowing I'm going to be in
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: the bottom echelon because I pulled trash.
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: And I hear that I do feel that.
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: I hate to tell you these new players don't want
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: your ship necks. It's like remember Reforge or whatever is it,
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Project Reforge, where we'd wrap up all our ship necks
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: and give them to someone. I mean, if it gets
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: them into the game, that gets anyone into the game.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: The idea, the idea was fine, like here's some free product,
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: get it in a game, have some fun. I don't
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: think you realize Ookie, how many more players there are
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: that are not like us. That they keep every deck,
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: they track what they've done with every deck, they care
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: about every deck. Yeah, that is not me, and that
• 22:54
  Speaker 2: is definitely not you. But there are a lot of
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: players who are like that. At well, then they need
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: to speak up because I don't know where you keep.
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: Everyone keeps talking about these magical players that like you
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: don't talk to anybody.
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: How the hell did you know? I talk to lots
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: of people, talk to you right now?
• 23:14
  Speaker 4: Well, I'm not that person, but.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: All these magical players that exist for that person, Now,
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: like I do.
• 23:23
  Speaker 4: Start going to your locals, you'll talk to two or
• 23:25
  Speaker 4: three of them.
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: Like it is a huge a part of this game
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: for me. I'm like I agree, like, like, yes, there
• 23:35
  Speaker 3: are certain decks that are just you know, you can't
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: redeem them. But you can't turn chicken shit into chicken salad. No,
• 23:44
  Speaker 3: But if you pitch your what most decks are fun
• 23:46
  Speaker 3: to play most.
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: And for the cost even right now, at fifteen dollars,
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: I can go ahead and spend fifteen dollars and have
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: a great time with friends being social playing card game.
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: Like that's if you're going out to try and grab food,
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: or you're trying to grab a drink, or you're trying
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: to go ahead and watch a movie, that fifteen dollars
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: is a great deal for us. I really do see that.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: I just I think that it's there's a lot of
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: benefit for being able to play the decks. I know
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you talk about like Sheep over here is trying to
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: go ahead and smuggle his deck to anyone who will
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: take it. And that's his joke as he's leaving every
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: single game is like end of his locals. And but
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: that's fine, Like he's looking for that absolute gem and
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: for everything else, he doesn't need to hold onto it. Unfortunately,
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I'm still that person who's scamming everything in putting it
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: into my boxes. I just literally more like Sheep, but
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: I and and that's fine. If that's where you are.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: But I think that there are a lot of other
• 24:51
  Speaker 1: people who really enjoy exploring, who enjoy being able to sort,
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: enjoy collecting, enjoy being able to think about what's the
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: interaction to be able to replay the decks.
• 25:00
  Speaker 3: What are you enjoy? What are you collecting? What is
• 25:03
  Speaker 3: there to collect in this game?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Actually there's quite a bit. I've been organizing my own
• 25:08
  Speaker 1: Keyfarde items and so have you have different border decks,
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: you have, like I say, keyfoards, you have the like,
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: you have different language decks that people will go ahead
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: and search after there's people who will search for different cards. Okay,
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: I went ahead and I really want to collect Time Traveler.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: You can see that there are different aspects for collecting
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: in this game that are entertaining and engaging for people.
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: And if that's helpful, great. I know this is really silly,
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: but when I first got into Magic way way way
• 25:42
  Speaker 1: back in the day, I spent more time actually reading
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: the cards, and that got me excited about literature and
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: reading because of their connection with some actual books that
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: were there from antiquities and other components. There is more
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: to this than just hey, we're playing for a competitivelee.
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: So people aren't it for different reasons. Let them have
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: fun in their own way.
• 26:05
  Speaker 3: So back in CODA, before I had a sense of
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: what I was doing, I was like, I'm gonna get
• 26:12
  Speaker 3: every rare, so uh, you know, I would.
• 26:17
  Speaker 4: Like, we have a local who's still trying to do that.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Ah. This came up in chat Reslan. I'm pretty sure
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: my last the last rarer was bullet Eye. I didn't
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: have bullet Eye till I finally got it. So after
• 26:38
  Speaker 3: once I did that for CODA, I didn't really think
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: about it again for you know, later sets and whatnot.
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: You want to drive up to Wisconsin, I'll give you
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: another four boxes. I would think most of my Koda
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: you probably I got a sets worth in there.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: So I can say this at this point, I am
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: over a thousand cks. But this week, this past weekend,
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: when I was going ahead and going through all my
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: key Forge items, I discovered my original spreadsheet of my
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: first six coded decks and how I had gone ahead
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: and scored before decks of key Forge existed. Just looking
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: at some of the stats that we had polled. I
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: know that we've talked about the other scoring mechanism that
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: was there before but it was actually really nice to
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: reminisce about those decks and to think about them. Are
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: they competitive? No? But do they have good memories for me? Yes?
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: And that's something important for keyfdge is that decks can
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: have meaning because of how many times you've played them
• 27:33
  Speaker 1: or what they where you've played them at, in what level?
• 27:37
  Speaker 1: And just when did you get them?
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Why?
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, from the naming decks to there are lots
• 27:43
  Speaker 1: of reasons that I think that key Forge is doing
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: a nice job at being able to bring people in.
• 27:48
  Speaker 1: We just we want to have a median where these
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: decks are not pointless. There are still too many that
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: fall in that manner. But I like the meaning that's
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: behind a lot of them.
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: But yet, again, you made the meaning the deck, didn't
• 28:04
  Speaker 2: the company. Didn't you have a meaning towards it?
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: Because I unttatched. I attached it with playing some games, right,
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: being able to play against you guys, Like.
• 28:15
  Speaker 4: But isn't that it like every game?
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like, how are we going to
• 28:18
  Speaker 1: do anything different?
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: I have some ideas, but that's for another show. And
• 28:23
  Speaker 2: then they'll adopt those ideas and then claim they didn't
• 28:26
  Speaker 2: adopt those ideas but less well, let's go into too
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: many sets in a year, Amber Sky's token of Tokens
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: of change, Grim Reminders Vall Masters twenty four M m M.
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: Did I miss any others?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: Don't believe you talk? No, you got talk. Sorry that
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: was number two.
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I think you got all four sets from this year
• 28:53
  Speaker 2: five five set one two three four yep, five sets
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: from this year. I almost feel like the vault Master's
• 29:01
  Speaker 2: set should be like in a level of their own
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: for complaint, because vault Master's twenty four was doo doo kaka,
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Like that has to be the worst aisle of trash
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: and I've ever seen ever. Somehow Drascore is going to
• 29:14
  Speaker 2: try to not make it terrible. Well, no, I was
• 29:18
  Speaker 2: just gonna say I knew it was terrible. I realized
• 29:21
  Speaker 2: I didn't think it was that bad until I heard
• 29:24
  Speaker 2: on a sloppy lab work that it might supplant DT
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: as the best set.
• 29:29
  Speaker 3: I was like, well, clearly it's terrible. Then there you go.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: Lookie, I put it as a five point two.
• 29:37
  Speaker 3: Five point two. Thank you. I appreciate that grim Mind
• 29:41
  Speaker 3: makes you can get quad routine jobs, but like the
• 29:46
  Speaker 3: problem is with the way routine jobs I don't know.
• 29:48
  Speaker 3: If you guys saw that you got that might not
• 29:53
  Speaker 3: be then I get it in I think that's talk now.
• 29:59
  Speaker 3: I got a look, no.
• 30:00
  Speaker 4: It's you can get that in what's it.
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: Called Morgan's saying in a discord there's a talk deck
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: with six jobs.
• 30:12
  Speaker 3: There's a talk deck with six routine jobs that was
• 30:16
  Speaker 3: opened the other day.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: To come back.
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so coming to this topic.
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: There's a rarity to collect.
• 30:28
  Speaker 3: Gotta go to China. Because of course I.
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: Get the I get the idea. I mean to come
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: back to our number five. I get the idea of
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: more mass mutations being there as exclusive to our stores.
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: I like the idea. The implementation with the amount of
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: gigantics was problematic. We talked about that earlier. But the
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: amount of sets in a year, it especially with them
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: being grouped together, that was It's wasn't it wasn't.
• 31:01
  Speaker 3: Here's one of my bigger problems, problems, right, more mass mutations.
• 31:07
  Speaker 3: It's not allowed to be clumped with just regular mass mutations.
• 31:13
  Speaker 3: Even though yeah, I did think that was interesting, like
• 31:17
  Speaker 3: if you why not right? So, like if you're all
• 31:22
  Speaker 3: gung ho on alliance, which clearly they are, because that
• 31:25
  Speaker 3: ship's still around. I'm terribly sorry.
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: Everyone, thank you for your donation.
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: Like it's still the same set, right, you just expanded
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: upon it, so let people alliance with it. Last I checked,
• 31:41
  Speaker 2: Mass Mutations wasn't exactly busting the doors down an Alliance?
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Am I wrong on that one? I'd have to go
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: back and check.
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: But we also didn't have like a clean mm time
• 31:55
  Speaker 3: frame right like right, But clearly it's not good enough
• 31:59
  Speaker 3: for people to go back to it. I don't know.
• 32:02
  Speaker 3: Morgan just said, and I want to vault this year
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: in Alliance so we know things when please please provide
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: details this year double jar Oh yeah, the double Jar deck.
• 32:16
  Speaker 3: That's right. That was our gas, right yeah, that was
• 32:19
  Speaker 3: our guest that was in the chat. So bargas can
• 32:23
  Speaker 3: can uh let us know things either way? I I
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: don't see why. So we're going back to old sets
• 32:33
  Speaker 3: and releasing new things, why not allow it to be
• 32:37
  Speaker 3: at least alliance like we're they again, they're they're really
• 32:42
  Speaker 3: gung hodan alliance. And as much as Josh and all
• 32:46
  Speaker 3: of them want to say, we won't be running them
• 32:48
  Speaker 3: back to back or we won't be running them, you
• 32:50
  Speaker 3: know you won't be able to play all three this year.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: I know that's a line of bullshit, and so does
• 32:55
  Speaker 3: everyone else listening out there, because there's gonna be like
• 32:59
  Speaker 3: four and a half people who are going to play Alliance,
• 33:02
  Speaker 3: and then they're gonna be like, well, I guess we
• 33:04
  Speaker 3: just run it back to back because you're not gonna
• 33:06
  Speaker 3: have enough to even have a top eight. So I
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: don't know, Maybe I don't know, Like Josh seemed pretty
• 33:17
  Speaker 3: insistent when you can be ass as you can be
• 33:22
  Speaker 3: as insistent as he wants, right, But you know, when
• 33:26
  Speaker 3: push comes to shove and rubber hits the road, when
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: those three people pull up to play Alliance, they're gonna
• 33:34
  Speaker 3: be like shit.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: So so either you're gonna tell me we're getting rid
• 33:38
  Speaker 2: of Alliance because it just isn't performing, or they're just
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: gonna start, you know, running it the way they always
• 33:45
  Speaker 2: run it to make sure numbers go to where they
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: need it to be.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: It will be interesting to see what they do when
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: there is a very low number of players.
• 33:57
  Speaker 3: Wow, maybe uh, maybe Sidney will just fly in the
• 34:01
  Speaker 3: few Alliance players.
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: Or she flies in Cardboard Doctor sheeps there and they
• 34:08
  Speaker 2: all play them and they're all.
• 34:10
  Speaker 4: Gonna play Sydney dackx yeah, that'll be a fine event.
• 34:13
  Speaker 2: I mean, man, back in the day, that's what we
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: used to do. I made accounts for my kids so
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: we could have sanctioned events over at certain places. Don't
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: act like we all haven't done it. Don't judge us.
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: But uh, yeah, they lost to all their games.
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: Yep, they're real bad.
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: They're real bad.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: But for some real bad Back Warrior players back in
• 34:34
  Speaker 4: the day too.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm just saying, like, don't tell me when
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: the when the three they're like and the Alliance is
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: over here and it's like three people, they're gonna be like, Okay,
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: we gotta change this and it's gonna be done on
• 34:48
  Speaker 2: the fly again, with no game plan and no sort
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: of like thought put into it. They're just gonna be like, well,
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: now we got to run the back to beck because
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: we don't have enough people.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: It's yeah, well, and no no restricted list yet, so
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: who knows how my players go?
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: What?
• 35:05
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just gonna about to be like, have
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: we seen a restricted list this year for Alliance?
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: Don't keep reading further down. No, we haven't gotten any.
• 35:14
  Speaker 2: Oh is that on the list? I thought, doctor sheeps,
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: that's pretty good. I like my restricted list. You ready,
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you my restricted list. So I'm let
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: me get it. I got it right here, and that's it,
• 35:32
  Speaker 2: and mine's the opposite. It just says, all key forged cards.
• 35:40
  Speaker 3: I'm at least giving it a chance. You just killed.
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: Bring your magic, your you and your Pokemon cards to
• 35:47
  Speaker 2: a to a keyboarde event, bring board game and I
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: played Zodia. Does that mean I win in this game?
• 35:54
  Speaker 4: Yes?
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: Nobody knows, all right, So we went through vault Master
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: twenty four. I think vault Master twenty four and twenty
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: three should be able to be combined into Alliance along
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: with all the other vault Master sets that are here
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: to come to the future. Please stop making vault Master.
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: It is terrible.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: What about five?
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: I know it's fine. Yeah, at this point, we're just
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: getting keep fine.
• 36:22
  Speaker 2: If you don't keep talking about it, they're just gonna
• 36:25
  Speaker 2: assume it's okay. Rights, It's like, yeah, hey, are you
• 36:32
  Speaker 2: dress or you're a manager in your field?
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: Right yeap. So if you don't consistently tell them that,
• 36:39
  Speaker 3: like what they're doing is not okay, they just keep
• 36:42
  Speaker 3: doing it, don't they. That's true, And so you have
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: to consistently tell them. What you're doing sucks and I
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: need you to do better. Yeah, yeah, Pert with different words.
• 36:54
  Speaker 4: I think what you are missing, Wookie is that the
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: rest of the world has already voted with their money
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: and vault Master's makes money. So guess what you're getting again?
• 37:05
  Speaker 2: Where is in what world is vault Master making money
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: because it's.
• 37:10
  Speaker 4: Lost them near nothing to create and produce and they
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: sell it.
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 37:16
  Speaker 1: I mean so this is actually a little sub tier
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: under this category for but too many sets in a year.
• 37:22
  Speaker 1: If you're looking at the difference, isn't it a difference
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: of twenty cards between more mass mutations and mass mutations?
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: So like that.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Yeah, again, it's pretty much a repeat, but we make
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: money off of it. Vault Master. Here very very little
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: that has to be done. You're pulling some cards together
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: and we make money off of it. I know you've
• 37:45
  Speaker 1: talked about it, Wookie before, but whether it's a money
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: grab or not, is that something that we really want?
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I don't know. For me. There were too many sets
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: in this year. I think that's one of them. But
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: it's all of it kind of putting together. I'd much
• 38:00
  Speaker 1: there have some fleshed out. Here's your two sets that
• 38:03
  Speaker 1: have been laid out, they have focused for the houses,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: they have focused on the set design, they have been
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: played tested, and we can eliminate a large section. They're
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: competitive and they're pushing the envelope.
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: I don't like the amount of sets, so I'll come
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: back to that. But I see more mass mutations being
• 38:23
  Speaker 1: similar to Vault Master of Hey, we're going to push
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: it out. Is it enjoyable? Sure? And I guess maybe
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: that's your earlier question. Does it go to the the
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: kitchen table players? Okay, well, if it's kitchen table players
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: and they're picking.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: It up Vault, No, it doesn't because it shouldn't revolt
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: to get it.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: It shouldn't, but people are picking it up. So then
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: is it a straight money grap like.
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: People picking it up? How many of you sold?
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I sold a couple, and I know that they sold
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: more and they have less invested than I have in
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: it sow.
• 38:56
  Speaker 3: So I to me, too many sets is only a
• 39:03
  Speaker 3: problem because of the size of the company and the
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: level investment they can make, right, So I don't if
• 39:13
  Speaker 3: they had a big team lots of of designers and developers. Argument,
• 39:20
  Speaker 3: you have a game, no, no, no jos release that
• 39:24
  Speaker 3: is doing more than key Forge and the team size
• 39:27
  Speaker 3: is the same amount.
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: Correct, But listen to what is saying Dress is saying
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: is because of this size, they shouldn't be pushing right,
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: so they're not able to they show us that they
• 39:36
  Speaker 1: can execute.
• 39:37
  Speaker 3: It, right, Like if if they had that span and
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: could really invest enough time, it's just too much for
• 39:44
  Speaker 3: for they got Luke, right, and they got Putter of
• 39:46
  Speaker 3: Hurley right, like to to give they have they have
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: sky Jedi, yeah, and they've got a port of Hurley's time, right, Oh,
• 39:58
  Speaker 3: a port of Hurley. Yeah, I thought you called them
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: something different. Never mind. Oh, I was like that He's
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: all right, he's cool, He's a cool dude, right, Luke's
• 40:08
  Speaker 3: Luke's fuddy as hell to chat with. But like's there,
• 40:11
  Speaker 3: there's there's like like there's only so much time those
• 40:16
  Speaker 3: those one and a half people, right, because because Earley's
• 40:19
  Speaker 3: also doing another thing, can can actually put into a
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: set and finding all the combinations and finding like you
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: can never do a perfect job. But like some of
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: the like stuff I was talking about before the watch
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: Me play scenarios, like if they if they were just
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: able to invest more time into a single set, would
• 40:42
  Speaker 3: they have caught more of those? Would would we have
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: had less of those?
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: Maybe?
• 40:48
  Speaker 2: I like to think so, Like I don't know when
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: I When I think a vault Master, my thought is
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: the greatest hits and it ain't happening. Like You've had
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: all these sets to pull cards from now and your
• 41:03
  Speaker 2: ears still getting the same old junk.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: That's for me, that's what reprints, that's are same old junk.
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: But you but there's good junk in all those sets
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: and they just refuse to pick those those cards.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: But isn't that coming down again to our game design
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: and who's making the choices to put those cards in?
• 41:26
  Speaker 1: Isn't that the hard reality?
• 41:28
  Speaker 3: It is? It is?
• 41:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, if we're just gonna say it, let's say it,
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: then nobody wants to say it.
• 41:37
  Speaker 4: What are we saying that we don't know the same
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: thing we've been saying all along? Now? I don't agree
• 41:41
  Speaker 4: with all the decisions.
• 41:42
  Speaker 2: Twenty four player A head count for worlds too small
• 41:45
  Speaker 2: for doctor sheep, he said, Oh, I'm sorry, Ewok said this.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah I didn't.
• 41:51
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I definitely I had that too. That is the
• 41:54
  Speaker 4: wrong player count for a too l O tournament.
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: So what on it has issues for the two elow too.
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: The more that I've been in this game, the more
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: I want to see this run Mora's ffgs. Here's a
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: top one hundred, bring two friends to play. I want
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: a three hundred person event. I want party. I want
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: people there having fun playing.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Key for we can't have sheep dumps people on their head.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: Okay, don't we lose, we lose one or two Temporarily.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: I am the party, But I think I think the
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: short answer is that it's a very different philosophy when
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: you're limiting to twenty four and it drives me absolutely
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: bonkers when we have changing vault tour. Okay, here's how
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: many different events you can play in. Here's how many.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Here's how the top people are getting in and how
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: that changes. And that's something that we all have to
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: deal with. But if we're going to be Lucy goosey
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: about it, then put it as a top hundred. Let
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: everyone come and have a blast and let people fight
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: it out. But then your vaults have very little meaning.
• 43:11
  Speaker 3: So I don't know. I don't know if allowing more
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: people to play gives it less meaning.
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: I just think that there's people who can't come to
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: these large events, and so if you're only able to
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: come to one, you may be a great player, but
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: you don't go ahead and you don't get as dak
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: for sealed, and maybe you have your bad matchup, two
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: bad matchups.
• 43:34
  Speaker 3: Okay, it happens, No, it does. I just like I said,
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: I don't.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know if if expanding it to a hunter
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: player makes makes it less meaningful, If anything, wouldn't that
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: make it more meaningful because you had to battle through
• 43:48
  Speaker 2: a larger field as opposed to a twenty four person field.
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: It takes away the all the prize you're actually playing for.
• 43:57
  Speaker 3: Well, I mean, will be getting to that short We.
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: Could we could actually do better with prizing.
• 44:03
  Speaker 3: So that's coming. That's coming. These are no, uh, I don't.
• 44:08
  Speaker 3: We've given them numbers, but I don't think these are
• 44:10
  Speaker 3: in any specific order. Really, we're just on our soapbox
• 44:15
  Speaker 3: sy Yeah, all right, low turnouts to vaults, slow lead time,
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: location choice, bad prizing. We at least I fixed the lead time.
• 44:29
  Speaker 3: The lead time has been fixed finally, so I mean
• 44:34
  Speaker 3: that that they've changed this year. So I guess this
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: year is going to be the test, right, like to
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: determine whether I just mean, I'm going to be the
• 44:48
  Speaker 3: only one to whether they're still going to do Vault
• 44:50
  Speaker 3: or not. I mean this, this is their test. I
• 44:54
  Speaker 3: hate to tell you the guys this this year is
• 44:57
  Speaker 3: the test to see whether they will continue to do
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: this or not.
• 45:00
  Speaker 4: You can disagree with it. It's a test every year.
• 45:03
  Speaker 4: It's a test every year if they even print more
• 45:05
  Speaker 4: key Forge. That's how everything works. Like, I don't know,
• 45:10
  Speaker 4: I don't know why. You think what you're saying is
• 45:12
  Speaker 4: is insightful, very insightful. Okay, we are.
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: I think we take it for granted, is what what
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: he is saying. And so he's saying basically that it
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: could potentially go away. I don't think so. I think
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: that they have. There's a lot that seems to be
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: copy pasted from year to year with a little add on,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: and I like that we're adding on. I just don't
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: see it being added on quick enough compared to other games,
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: and that's where there's frustration. I think that the prizing
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: is absolutely pathetic and I will continue to stand behind that.
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: I think that if we want to grow the game,
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: there needs to be actual marketing of it, and there
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: needs to be prizing to go ahead and inspire some
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: people to come out.
• 46:02
  Speaker 3: So yeah, I did so speaking up prising it is
• 46:08
  Speaker 3: a slight deviation, but I did listen to the latest
• 46:12
  Speaker 3: help from future self, and I was thought spot on
• 46:17
  Speaker 3: about that they should lean into accolades, the digital accolades,
• 46:21
  Speaker 3: get those on your decks. All sorts of reasons to
• 46:24
  Speaker 3: print stuff like that is that is money for them,
• 46:29
  Speaker 3: stuff people want. I think I think that's where they
• 46:34
  Speaker 3: should go.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: I can't agree that that's one part of it, but
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: I think you still need physical stuff. Yeah, and when
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: you're having physical stuff that nobody's really interested in, it
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: leads very It doesn't give people the want, need or
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: sense of urgency to go to anything other than to
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: have an experience. And if you've been there before, you
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: know you're going to have a good time. But if
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: I'm somebody who's never been to a Vault tour, right,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: what is exciting me to come out?
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I think there's two things that we have to be
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: able to lean into, and I think are the show
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: is speaking about this, So Kirkman Vault Our needs unique
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: things for the event. Vault Master decks are great, more
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: accoletes is great. The short answer is I want every
• 47:34
  Speaker 1: single person coming in having something that's unique for that
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: event that they feel special, they can go back to
• 47:40
  Speaker 1: their locals and talk about we've talked each year about this.
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: That is absolutely needed. And then Morgan right above that, Okay,
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: World's prizing was kind of mad. That experience was still
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: worth it, and I agree the experience of being able
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: to see people around the world. But said I took second,
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: or she said I took second in the tournament with
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: the most players in it, and I got one box
• 48:00
  Speaker 1: Vault Master twenty four, a play met and a pin.
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: And that is where we have to incentivize those people
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: who are willing to travel to multiple vaults, who are
• 48:09
  Speaker 1: your competitive players, who want to be able to spread
• 48:11
  Speaker 1: this further and be able to bring excitement. There also
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: has to be some coverage and let people know here's
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: what's actually at stake, let people know ahead of time
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: go in that. But I think the chat is one
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: hundred percent spot on something for every single person who's coming,
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: something that's casual that they're going to walk away with.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: Here's here's my little I mean, Marcus had done a
• 48:31
  Speaker 1: phenomenal job of here's the little patch that shows what
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: this event is. I can put that on my mats
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: or walk around in my bag, or I can have that.
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: That is something worthwhile. We need more of that and
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: we need less of here's a box of vault Master
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: twenty four. I do think the pins were better this year.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: I like the size, so Josh, that was good.
• 48:53
  Speaker 4: We're talking about a year and a half ago. That's
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: something like vault Masters was a good ideas.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: A good idea, but again, if you botch the delivery,
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: nobody cares well.
• 49:09
  Speaker 3: I think the things greater. Last year's terrible in practice botched.
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: I think the excitement for last year was we had
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: a really good set of Griom Reminders and so the idea, hey,
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: we're going to see basically you put the little vault
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: Master symbol on those grim Reminders decks. Now I have
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: a chance at having a really sporty quick deck that there.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: It's a good poll and it's going to go ahead
• 49:36
  Speaker 1: and have vault Masters on it.
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Instead.
• 49:38
  Speaker 1: We came to the first one in Roseville and we
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: got vault Master twenty four with the symbol. And I'll
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: tell you I've collected all of them. That that's great,
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: but I paid money after going ahead and winning, because
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: no one will take them. There are people who are
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: actually giving them back this year. That should be a
• 49:57
  Speaker 1: really big sign that it's not worthwhile.
• 50:01
  Speaker 2: Nobody's going to be giving him back. Nobody's going to
• 50:05
  Speaker 2: give them back. Yeah, that's a loaded Whoever whoever said
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: that's lying. Okay, nobody, I need pictures or it didn't happen,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: like I would be shocked.
• 50:17
  Speaker 3: Were you giving them back.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'll just say that.
• 50:21
  Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I I look forward to watching give his
• 50:26
  Speaker 2: Vault Master twenty four back.
• 50:30
  Speaker 4: I don't I don't know what the answer is. Obviously
• 50:35
  Speaker 4: none of us know what the answer is. I think
• 50:38
  Speaker 4: we just suffer so bad in this game from that.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: Decks aren't constructible, so they can't just take everybody's favorite card,
• 50:47
  Speaker 4: print a pretty version of it and people get retarded
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: and want to pay way too much money.
• 50:52
  Speaker 3: They can do that.
• 50:53
  Speaker 1: But you can get extended. You can get extended, like,
• 50:58
  Speaker 1: yes you can.
• 50:59
  Speaker 3: You can print one pretty card and if that car
• 51:02
  Speaker 3: happens to be in your deck and you are playing
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: a card, just slide it in. This is not difficult
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: for the judges. Marcus and g are intelligent human beings
• 51:13
  Speaker 3: who can read a deck list and go too much
• 51:16
  Speaker 3: to protect too much to protect, right, It's not like
• 51:19
  Speaker 3: they're scanning every card in and they can't create it
• 51:24
  Speaker 3: and it just doesn't work like this lie that they're
• 51:27
  Speaker 3: telling you that, like, we just can't do that. You
• 51:29
  Speaker 3: thinking can you can? You choose not to.
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: And knowing that all of the decks are well, they
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: can sleep knowing that their sleeve we can do this.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, or they could even do it through their printing
• 51:47
  Speaker 3: play so that even the sleeves are uh, you can
• 51:52
  Speaker 3: you could have you can have a monthly thing in
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: your local organized play where it's hey, this month's card
• 52:02
  Speaker 3: is name a card right now, I am wild red
• 52:08
  Speaker 3: line rotation, all right, wild wormhole. Obviously it would probably
• 52:12
  Speaker 3: be more set based, but this this week's card is
• 52:16
  Speaker 3: red line Rotation. Get your pretty new foil expanded our
• 52:20
  Speaker 3: red line Rotation and visit a store near you and
• 52:24
  Speaker 3: play in your local OLP and then you can take
• 52:27
  Speaker 3: that card and if you are playing a deck that
• 52:29
  Speaker 3: has red Line Rotation in it, just flip it in.
• 52:32
  Speaker 3: Like this isn't any more work for the judges. They're
• 52:35
  Speaker 3: already going through all thirty six cards in your deck
• 52:39
  Speaker 3: at a deck check. If you're telling me that Marcus
• 52:42
  Speaker 3: and g can't figure it out that that card is
• 52:45
  Speaker 3: red line rotation just with a pretty border. Give me
• 52:48
  Speaker 3: a break. That is the lamest excuse I have ever
• 52:52
  Speaker 3: heard in my life, Like they are too pretty intelligent people.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: That does definitely fit with, uh, what is kind of
• 53:05
  Speaker 1: the big star that it has its own category but
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: is really low hanging fruit. And that's incentivized people to play. Okay,
• 53:14
  Speaker 1: whether that store leaderboard was the chain's and guess what
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: you can do if there's a card they could.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: You can do that same thing and put a pretty
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: Roseville twenty twenty five Vault to Her stamp on it.
• 53:26
  Speaker 3: And now it's even cooler and makes people want to
• 53:29
  Speaker 3: go there. And hey, remember we all have those awesome
• 53:33
  Speaker 3: Ember shards. Maybe they could make a set of cards
• 53:36
  Speaker 3: and charge you, like, I don't know, one hundred umber
• 53:39
  Speaker 3: shards and you get this cool little pack of cards
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: that they have decided and chosen from whatever the most
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: recent set happens to be, that are in foil and
• 53:49
  Speaker 3: have this cool little stamp on them. And then I
• 53:53
  Speaker 3: can say I have to have that printed and sent
• 53:56
  Speaker 3: to me in my deck exactly well, and then I
• 53:59
  Speaker 3: have some more cool that I go back to my
• 54:01
  Speaker 3: lgs with and be like, guys, guys, I just came
• 54:04
  Speaker 3: from the most recent Vault tour and check out what
• 54:07
  Speaker 3: I got. Yeah, I think it'd be cool. I think
• 54:13
  Speaker 3: it'd be cool.
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: I would love to see the digital accolades. I would
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: love to see more extended art. I'd love to see
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: a reason to be going into our locals. Lookie, there
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: was a great idea that our local peete had come
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: up with for being able to use decks. We're not
• 54:28
  Speaker 1: going to go into that here. That's that's a whole
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: nother episode. But I think that there's a large discussion
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: about what are we doing to really change over kind
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: of the meta and to change some of those decks
• 54:42
  Speaker 1: that are are being opened and played consistently at a
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: high end, and what's being done to incentivize people to
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: play to be able to go ahead? And we talked
• 54:51
  Speaker 1: about tracking your stats. People love that. Okay, well, can
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: we lean into it? No, there are things that could
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: definitely be done.
• 54:58
  Speaker 2: No, because is too busy. There nothing for because Ricardo
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: is too busy rebuilding a broken op.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: Software software as a whole.
• 55:17
  Speaker 3: No, No, it's not is that on this list?
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: No, that's not I can keep adding it in the
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: bottom of the All right.
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: All right, next up, so more in the head counts
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: and ope thing gen Con no articles shown anywhere, no
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: article recap, no nothing, gen Con never happened. Oh and
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: uh Morgan, your prizes were better for taking second place
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: in the open than I were for taking second place
• 55:45
  Speaker 2: in a national.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: Doesn't necessarily seem wrong.
• 55:52
  Speaker 1: I think that. I think that it's still rops you
• 55:54
  Speaker 1: wrong when like we have everything else and it's like
• 55:59
  Speaker 1: this doesn't matter.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: You're a heart out and they're like, here you go,
• 56:02
  Speaker 2: here's your play mat, your deck book and your one
• 56:05
  Speaker 2: deck you had on there now little boy.
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: Well, no, I think what really is the kicker there
• 56:12
  Speaker 1: is what you get access to worlds. That's awesome. But
• 56:15
  Speaker 1: nobody even out outside of this cast, outside of the
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: people were there. No one would have known if if
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: parent company doesn't actually go ahead and write about it,
• 56:23
  Speaker 1: if it's not for us, if it's not for the podcast,
• 56:26
  Speaker 1: nobody knows. Why did I not do it?
• 56:28
  Speaker 4: They didn't do any of the nationals, did they? No,
• 56:32
  Speaker 4: they didn't. My guess is that they didn't do any
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: of the nationals because they went with them. Well, if
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: they don't have data for all of them, then you
• 56:40
  Speaker 4: get nothing.
• 56:42
  Speaker 1: So the short answer is if I don't have it
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: for one or more than one, just too bad for
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: those that we do have.
• 56:51
  Speaker 4: If you didn't bring bubblegum for everybody, no bubblegum allowed.
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: See. But I think this is what was missed at
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: the First Worlds is the idea, idea of a coda
• 57:02
  Speaker 1: dec still being able to win it, the idea of
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: woe being able to show up, that someone who made
• 57:07
  Speaker 1: the play in goes ahead and makes it all the
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: way into the top four. I think for this world
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: to go ahead and play off, that we have people
• 57:14
  Speaker 1: who get essentially they they shared their vows and were
• 57:19
  Speaker 1: able to go out and commit their life because of
• 57:20
  Speaker 1: this game, Like there are so many opportunities that we
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: could be actually going ahead and marketing.
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: And because of this game. I think they fell in
• 57:30
  Speaker 3: love before key Forge, but you know, but they had
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: got I think a lot of it comes out, but.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: The idea, like we have stories here, lean into those
• 57:41
  Speaker 1: Cinderella stories, talk about it. Why would you not why
• 57:45
  Speaker 1: would you not showcase that there have been people who.
• 57:48
  Speaker 2: Made that you put into like your live stream, that
• 57:52
  Speaker 2: somebody could be off over in the corner, like editing,
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: I don't know, editing and doing something and then instead
• 58:00
  Speaker 2: of just having a moving little thing, there was some music.
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: You could put little stories in there. Hey check this out. Hey,
• 58:08
  Speaker 2: let's have a recap from from the Roseville Vault tour
• 58:11
  Speaker 2: and you can have something pre edited and play it
• 58:14
  Speaker 2: during during that downtime instead of just nothing. Because I
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: don't know, if you watch the stats during the downtimes
• 58:21
  Speaker 2: of nothing during the streams, they go to next to nothing,
• 58:24
  Speaker 2: and then a game comes on and people watch, and
• 58:27
  Speaker 2: whether they come back or not, it's a whole nother story.
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: They don't all come back. Yeah, that's that's my little hand.
• 58:35
  Speaker 2: There's plenty of opportunity to fill all those down times
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: with other things. And at Roseville, I mean we filled
• 58:45
  Speaker 2: most of that downtime, which is John right, I know,
• 58:48
  Speaker 2: dazcr you did it.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: I did it.
• 58:50
  Speaker 2: I'm trying to think of who else did it with me.
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: I think June did it for a while.
• 58:56
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't remember Roseville. He was on there
• 58:59
  Speaker 3: for a bit it Fry. Yeah it could be. I don't.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: I'd have to go back and watch. But you fill
• 59:05
  Speaker 2: those with things other than a little bit of music.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Will I will say Morgan is talking about Shane high
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Bolts who are not being able to have information. No
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: international vaults, no nationals are shared. So it wasn't just
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: our nationals, Wookie and you being kind of slighted. But
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: those were missed.
• 59:21
  Speaker 3: Opportunities because I speak the truth.
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: No, no, but I'm saying it's not just your event,
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: but you Heathers nailed it.
• 59:29
  Speaker 3: I know they're like, well, if we have to give
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: Wookie bubble gum, we're not giving anyone bubble nobody gets
• 59:37
  Speaker 3: bubble gum. You're all welcome, We're not getting any bubble gum.
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: All right, let's move into their awesome marketing campaign. This
• 59:50
  Speaker 3: is one of my favorite CTP quotes ever. It just
• 59:54
  Speaker 3: shows how out of base and out of touch it
• 59:57
  Speaker 3: really is. Marketing works.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: I just don't know which fifty percent, so I shall
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: do no marketing.
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 3: I know you're laughing, Yeah, is that this is a
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 3: CTP quote?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 1: Is this actually?
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: That is literally what he said at the first meet
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: the meet the Ghosties and uh ewok, I believe asked
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 2: about what the marketing strategies were, and like, we didn't
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: even get marketing strategies there was just no marketing strategy
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 2: talked about whatsoever. And then this quote popped out about
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 2: how we just we don't know, So I think I
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 2: blocked this out.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 1: That's because it's a real, real dark moment, dress real dark,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: like if your marketing is actually hitting at fifty percent, one,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: that is amazing, And number two, why wouldn't you further
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: investigate and figure out what is or isn't working like
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: it is? And this comes back, is it the idea
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: for Keyboard? So that we're just content with what we have.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 1: That's what it seems to be at times from DT.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: Seems to be at times seems to be all the time.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 3: We are content, that's what we have. We are content
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: where we are. We have no ambitions on growing, and
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 3: then we want a bitch when people talk about well,
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 3: this kind of feels like all this is it's just
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 3: money for the next game.
• 1:01:24
  Speaker 1: Well, and I think that's where the frustration is is
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: that we talk about, Okay, we're a small team, but
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: it doesn't appear that way when we see other teams
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: that are the same size doing significantly more. It feels like, hey,
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 1: Gigi's very content to just ride this out and whatever
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: they make they make it comes across that way because
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: there is no major push.
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no major push. And it's been two years now,
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 3: so yeah, it is tough, right, Like we you can
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 3: spend a lot of money money on marketing and it
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 3: go nowhere. So you got to be.
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: But what what what have we done? Going ahead and
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: saying I'm setting up a booth at gen Con. I'm
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 1: going to go ahead, pick Gama. I'm going to Yes,
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: we're reaching out to Gamma, like we're at Gamma and
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: we're going ahead and talking to the retailers. Okay, well,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: what is making you stand out? Why do you feel
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: that people are going to come back to this game?
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: Because that's how they're viewing it. This game has been
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: around to reply, how had I come back.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 3: At their booth at gen Con? I don't know if
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 3: this is actually work, but I don't think it would
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 3: take that much more infrastructure, right, Like you could you
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 3: could basically be like oh, yeah, hey, you know, buy
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 3: decks whatever, But you could right here, if you give
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 3: us your information, you can order like a deck with
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 3: a custom name in it and for the twenty five
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 3: or whatever. Hi'm with you, I think, And now you're like, oh,
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 3: this deck has my name or has my yeah, and
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 3: like do it through gen Con and you can all
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 3: get one. Maybe this would be a ton of work.
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 3: I don't know, But would you get folks who would
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 3: be like, oh, this deck has my name on it.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: I want to play this game and I don't know.
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 2: I mean, bare minimum, it's worth a shot, yeah, right
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 2: out of all the people that you I just I
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: hate the giving information YadA YadA, because like, if somebody
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 2: comes to me like, give me your information, I want
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: to be like, get away from me, creepy old man.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 3: I mean people say that too, regardless of you asking
• 1:03:49
  Speaker 3: for their information.
• 1:03:51
  Speaker 2: Fair enough, but you know, yeah, it's even worse when
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: I ask for their information.
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, all right, fair enough.
• 1:03:57
  Speaker 1: But I think this is where we have to see
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: the separation. We're using some marketing targeted for people who
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 1: followed game found previously. Okay, discovery should be new. So
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: what are we doing to actually attract any new players?
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: Is that all on our local scenes for people who
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 1: are actually playing to go out and figure it out.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 3: The real question is what are you doing to attract
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 3: local new players?
• 1:04:18
  Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, is it is it on us
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: as players because that's that's inappropriate.
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: And hasn't it always been?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 3: I do have to figure out what I'm doing with discovery.
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 3: I haven't really figured it out yet. I have like
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 3: been talking to my ord game friends like maybe I'll
• 1:04:36
  Speaker 3: do a day and uh you can, people can come.
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: My thing with discovery is okay, So great discovery is
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: coming out.
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 3: Who knew.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 2: A very select key forage players who already played the game,
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: So there there was no big push to get this
• 1:04:56
  Speaker 2: in game stares, no big event. I mean, we do
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 2: have the discovery kits that are coming right.
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 4: They sent they had aspa day send out an email.
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, who game stores delete? So we do
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 3: have Uh so what.
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 4: You're informing them about discovery and asking what they need
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: to be able to bring discovery in and if you're
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 4: gonna do key forge in that So they did at
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 4: least try something.
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 3: All right. So here here's an image of a Discovery
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: deck because I guess it's already Friday somewhere and somebody
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: posted on our discord. Yeah, uh image of their their
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 3: two decks or I guess this is one deck actually,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 3: and so it's you know, it's a bunch of key
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 3: Forge cards and it's got so it'll be fine.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's got logos.
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 3: Uh, it does have cease Forge, which is an interesting
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 3: choice for introductory deck introductory set. But sure, uh it
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 3: does have enhancements. I didn't think it would necessarily have enhancements,
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 3: Like I mean, I I love enhancements, and I I
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 3: I think it's a selling point of the game, which
• 1:06:21
  Speaker 3: so maybe the maybe it was the right move to
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 3: do it. But it is a little tricky to explain
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 3: to new players what the heck's going on when they
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 3: see what does this enhanced capture capture mean? Can I
• 1:06:31
  Speaker 3: can I capture now? You know, no, no, but but
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 3: you can theory sell that. It's like, hey, this is
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 3: a really cool aspect of the game. Thank you. And
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 3: I are looking at two very different things. I don't
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 3: see any capture. I mean, there is a draw in
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 3: this image, but but I'm just saying I don't see
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 3: that the diametric charge has a draw on it in
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 3: this image in our Yeah, okay that kind of blended
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 3: in there.
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 1: You are correct, ye send the new cards.
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it also has that key Forge Powerhouse teleporter chief tink. Yeah,
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 3: that's so great.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: It looks a lot of drop creatures and logos.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 3: That guy saw that other that other all star of
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 3: art convex Way of the Wolf. I don't know.
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: I thought there was some interesting items that were shown
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: from uh Reaper so with Way of the Pixie, so
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 1: some major ambergain. I think that you could go ahead
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: and se sports was an interesting choice to add in.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: But I don't know.
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 3: The sizemone tanger is a little tricky. But from a
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 3: rules perspective, you have lost in the woods in here,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 3: it's true. Yeah, you could also.
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 4: Not having discard pips is uh it's your thing for
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 4: beginners to handle.
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean overall, I look at this, I'm like, yeah,
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 3: I mean this is probably explainable, you know, not too crazy. No,
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 3: all right, no wins of Death moving in to more.
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 3: I don't know what number we're on now, we've probably.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 1: Well so yeah, we added from eight, we've already gone
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: to ninety ten. There you have weekly opie that we've
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 1: talked about. There's such excitement for the Mars event, so
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 1: I know that it can happen, but man, the lull
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 1: between the Mars events and anything else, it just it
• 1:08:42
  Speaker 1: was an absolute grand slam for Mars event and then
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: wah wah, wah.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: Well we go through like three major lulls in a year.
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: To be honest with you, let's see, we go through
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: the lull between right now between Vault and I'm about
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 3: to what we're doing right now. So I guess just so, no,
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 3: that goes a thing.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 4: Really the I guess it's where it fit in. But
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 4: like the end of Vault season and when KFC that
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 4: feels pretty dead.
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's dead.
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 2: And then this time after KFC too whatever Vaults start
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 2: up again, it's dead.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Well, store championships with store Championships happening essentially the very
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 1: very in February March. You're looking at March. But I
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 1: wish there was some incentive, like I wish that we're
• 1:09:36
  Speaker 1: building to those store championships. Does that make sense? Like
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 1: if I have local, I can go to it and
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 1: then oh, I show up in March and I'm gonna
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: play these decks that I've been pulling for Sealed or
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: that I think that I've been running for our kind
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 1: and I stand a chance, I'm I want to now
• 1:09:50
  Speaker 1: bring this back. There doesn't seem to be an incentive
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: to come out to pick up a deck to be
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 1: able to show up week after week. There doesn't seem
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 1: to be anything building up to the Storechampionshi, which all
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: of a sudden, it's just like a store Championships. Show
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 1: up and come and do it.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 2: There's no reason to show the first week, there's no
• 1:10:06
  Speaker 2: reason to go, you say, a week after that week one,
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: there's none.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: We have we have we have we have good people
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: and so that's why we show up.
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 3: But again, if you're the community not company, I mean, like.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 4: What are you going to be doing if you're not
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 4: playing g.
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 3: Ford touching myself.
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: Okay, I had a had a cup in my hand
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 1: and it's trying to drink and I mean, I don't know.
• 1:10:39
  Speaker 3: I think the prize is okay, wow, Okay.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: So the thing is is that there's a lot of
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 1: middle aged individuals who are consistently playing this. There are
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: a lot of individuals who have families, and so if
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 1: you aren't being able to commit to weekly event, it
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 1: just gets sucked in too go to your kids' sporting events,
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 1: or to spend time with your significant other. There are
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 1: other things that are always vying for your time, and
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 1: so I do think that GIG has to go out
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: of their way to create a system where people want
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 1: to spend time with others socially and that there is
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 1: some incentive to play their game. Frankly, we have We
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 1: had someone who used to play with us at our
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 1: locals who we see every single week, but they're playing
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 1: a different game. So people gravitate towards other games for
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 1: various reasons, but have a reason to come out. That's
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 1: what I think the company has to do, all right.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 3: I think it like flash mob advertisement, Like suddenly everybody
• 1:11:47
  Speaker 3: runs in, folding tables, snaps it open, plays a game,
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 3: runs away, flash stop. I think you'd have pissed off
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 3: game stars.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 3: Uh it's like in the park. Yeah at that baseball game,
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 3: that that t ball game that Yeah, he walks out,
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 3: well the park, your cards just blow away, so yeah
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 3: pretty soon flashps, that's okay, then you just run away. Yeah.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 3: I mean, at least you can reprint your decks now.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 3: I guess if it was one you cared about. The
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 3: last thing we have on our list tournament software still
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 3: delitching like a move them.
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 1: I mean, we all said the Alliance restricted list. Where
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: is it?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 3: Oh?
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 2: I'm sorry I did, Yeah, Alliance Restricted List. This is
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 2: more of a twenty twenty five thing. But yeah, we
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: still don't have one of those. We already talked about that.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 1: This is how we get four weeks until store Championships
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: in the first Alliance, and.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 4: That can happen.
• 1:12:52
  Speaker 3: So our Alliance event is just going to be a
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 3: sealed Alliance event. That's fine, But don't spend any money
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 3: till you know that.
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's key Forge, don't. I'm a akut of
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 4: money anyways.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think that there's been some increase
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: in the secondary market, which is healthy. I want to
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: be able to see that, frankly, especially as a competitive player.
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 1: But people are definitely reaching out, and it seems to
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: be more for Alliance pods because you have as soon
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 1: as that list comes out, if you have not already
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: struck up the deal or hey, you have a deck
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: in hand, those decks are immediately going up in value.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: So it is a lot of repeat customers or repeat
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: individuals from our smaller community. But that's kind of what
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 1: I expect at this point. So I love our community.
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 3: Yeah, committed to a all right.
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 1: In regards to tournament software, Kirkment, No, we don't actually
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: have tournament software. Continue to use dex of key Forge
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: to tournament that's there.
• 1:13:56
  Speaker 3: It's a real No, we do have tournament software that
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 3: we're supposed to be using. It was supposed wasn't it
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 3: supposed to be out to stores by Oh I don't
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 3: know tomorrow.
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 1: Well it was that was yesterday?
• 1:14:09
  Speaker 3: Was it yesterday? I'm sorry, my bad? So what was
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 3: the promise that was made to us?
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 1: Well, they did admit at at Worlds that that was
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 1: one of the things that they messed up.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 3: On, right, yeah, but that was last year. We did.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 2: This is this year. Then they said, yeah, well we'll
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 2: be getting out that tournament software.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 3: I I happened to know. I don't think this is
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 3: a secret. Nobody told me was a secret. If it's
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 3: a secret, so it's your guys fault if it's a secret.
• 1:14:42
  Speaker 3: At Necho. Uh, the what's more call it is going
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 3: to be used. Uh play style is going to be
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 3: used at Necho until it doesn't load and we just
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 3: used the Okay, but you.
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 2: Guys don't have you guys don't have a direct acces
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: still what's his name?
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 3: To fix it when it's broken? Yeah, that is a thing,
• 1:15:04
  Speaker 3: Like I just learned this that that's they mentioned that. Oh, yeah,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 3: we're going to use it. I don't know after it
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 3: happens anyway.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 1: So according to Keyboarding, according to Keith Forging dot com,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: under our organized play, you do have access to what
• 1:15:25
  Speaker 1: is organized play, and then they have playstyle two l
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 1: O tournaments, you do have access to play style. But again,
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 1: just like we're talking about as it has had issues
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 1: at some of our vaults and worlds. Pretty much every
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 1: event that I've been to, it's had a issue. That's
• 1:15:46
  Speaker 1: a real concern, especially when we didn't necessarily need to
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 1: recreate this.
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  Speaker 3: I mean that.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 1: You can't there.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: This, but it definitely just feels like they tried to
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: do too much all at once with it. So like
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 3: I think it's a cool idea.
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't need it. We didn't need a double
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 2: elimination system. Everyone was more than happy with with Swiss. Nobody.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 2: Nobody was bitching about it. Well that's not one person
• 1:16:26
  Speaker 2: ever said, oh man, I really wish I was away
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 2: always about Nobody cared about like a Swiss format. Nobody
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 2: was like, oh man, a Swiss format. Ah Man, I
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 2: wish there was a way I could play and not
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 2: you have to.
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: Play all day the Swiss format. Okay, that's all that matters.
• 1:16:51
  Speaker 1: Well, and I think that's where the problem comes in
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: at times is CTP has all the power and is
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 1: making some choices that we wouldn't make, and I don't
• 1:17:00
  Speaker 1: know if they're the best interest for our community.
• 1:17:05
  Speaker 2: Like, I love how this is like a total like
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 2: attempt at marketing the two L O system, like this
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: whole thing.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 1: Well, I think that the article is hysterical if you
• 1:17:15
  Speaker 1: actually look. It was published in July twenty fifth of
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. But I really like at the bottom
• 1:17:20
  Speaker 1: improvements coming with Style, based on in no small part
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 1: by feedback from the Philly Vault Tour. Play Style is
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 1: already being enhanced, improved, and bugs fixed. Players will see
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 1: several improvements in the application at our next major tournament
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 1: being the gen Con twenty twenty three US Nationals update.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 3: And it still breaks all the time. Just broke not
• 1:17:47
  Speaker 3: too long ago. Yeah, I should have I should have
• 1:17:49
  Speaker 3: asked my buds if they had a backup plan. If
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 3: play styles is crapped out, it's called Yeah, I mean,
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 3: it's just I don't Nobody asked for play styles. Nobody
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 3: asked for a double elimination pool, Nobody asked for any
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 3: of this and nobody was complaining. It's one of those
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 3: things like if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 3: we but we had to go fix it. So I did,
• 1:18:19
  Speaker 3: you know, I actually I did see. It's not play
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 3: style but different software stuff. I saw, uh the uh
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 3: one of the guys I think it was. I think
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 3: it might have been Middle So, or maybe it was
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 3: somebody else I forgot, but made streaming bumpers and uh
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 3: treatments and borders and all sorts of cool stuff. And
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 3: I saw it tonight. It's like, really cool. So folks
• 1:18:47
  Speaker 3: should watch streaming bumpers. Yeah, like around the actual Yeah,
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 3: like intros when it comes in you talking about overlays
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 3: and overlays whatever. I was like, what the fuck's on bumper?
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 3: I don't know, I've only heard that you bump. Yeah,
• 1:19:05
  Speaker 3: that's also drunk language.
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: Well, you know I don't work, So all right, let
• 1:19:12
  Speaker 2: me go back to our list. Are we done bitching
• 1:19:14
  Speaker 2: for the night? We've we've we've bitched for an hour
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: and twenty minutes. That's pretty par for the course.
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 1: I mean, that's this is our weekly cast. I will
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 1: put out there a plea with prophetic visions. Go ahead,
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 1: and if you're not willing Gigi as a company to
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 1: go ahead and put out gameplay so that others can
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 1: see it and visualize it, I think that it will
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 1: really help players. Go ahead and send it to some
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 1: of your content producers. Some of the people who have don't.
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: I'm not talking even about us, there are others.
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 3: None of us matter to them.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 1: But that's you have to graces. You have to leverage.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 1: You have to leverage the ability to go ahead and
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: showcase your product that is okay but.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 4: Not profit visions to the key for the players that
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 4: already play.
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: Like no, no, no, no, no, no no, that this is
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 1: not about selling anymore. This is about being able to
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: showcase some of the play. So again, GG like, what's
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: that get them? It gets them players who better understand
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: the game. It gets buzz and excitement over the new
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: sets and what's actually happening, versus going ahead. We're trying to.
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 4: Look at like what they see and then it's a
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 4: bad choice.
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: They already they've already ordered, they already thought, what does it.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 3: Really cost them?
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: Well, it doesn't cost them anything to do nothing either,
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: is what I'm saying.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 3: So, but it doesn't cost them anything to do with
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 3: Ewok is saying, right, I.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 4: Think there's more risk and what Ewok is saying, and
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 4: it does take them time to provide stuff and make
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 4: sure what is being said is in line with what
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 4: they want.
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 1: What has been told in past is that we don't
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 1: have the same setup that FFG has. Don't stress you
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 1: have now Roseville with some of the camera equipment that's there.
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 3: Oh no, they still don't have. They still don't have
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 3: the correct question.
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be super flashy. It will not
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 1: be the same as FG. I get that, but put
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 1: it out. Let people see how a couple hands will
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 1: be played out. It will help people to better understand
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 1: PROTHETIC visions and future sets, and it builds buzz. We've already,
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 1: like you've shown some of the previews, it was after
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 1: the set was basically closed on game found. Go ahead
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 1: and open it up. There's no reason that would help
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 1: the players. It requires a little bit of work, but
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: again you can if you don't want to go ahead
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: and do the work.
• 1:22:00
  Speaker 3: And there are small people, they don't have the ability
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 3: to do that. They're a small team with a limited budget.
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 1: Again, the dacks are there. Go ahead and make sure
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 1: that you can get them in the hands of some
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 1: of your content providers. Again, that doesn't need to be us,
• 1:22:17
  Speaker 1: but it will help. And I do think that players
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: who are passionate about the game, who invest way more
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: than they need to, will be the ones who are watching. Sure,
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 1: but they're also the ones who have to be your
• 1:22:29
  Speaker 1: best advocates to go out and hey, get this new set,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: let's play this, let's build our local, let's come back,
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 1: and let's do this.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 3: So if t Forge had like the news set before
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 3: it came out like that would be probably cool. Is
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 3: that still a thing? I think so? I think I
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 3: still do it monthly. I watched one not too long ago.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 1: Candice is there. You can check when the last one
• 1:22:59
  Speaker 1: was produced. But again, yes, words to keep t Forge
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 1: and the access on board and geek would be really.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 3: Two months ago was the last? Was the last one?
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 3: So I don't know any.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 1: Speaking of marketing, you can actually go ahead like the
• 1:23:15
  Speaker 1: other games. You can put out a few here win
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 1: these decks by learning about key Forge and learning about
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 1: the product. It's a small environment.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: Six videos keep me coming back.
• 1:23:35
  Speaker 1: But they were also looking to see how many watches
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: are happening, or to see if it's worthwhile to continue
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 1: going forward.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 3: Anything at this point is worthwhile. Well, I know that
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 3: maybe the board game.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 1: Geek, and that's the question for game you need to
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: produce for.
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 4: G G.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: Any amount of watches is worth it right now? Any
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: because they're not. I mean, it's the same people every year.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 2: I mean, we haven't heard about any major departures this
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 2: year yet.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: But you're pretty good at graping.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 3: I am pretty good at graping. But I'm still here, Bookers.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 1: He wants to make it better.
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 2: Because I want to make it work. I'm standing it
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: for the children. Okay, all right, with's that being said,
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 2: I think that about wraps it up. For the bottom ten.
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 3: We had a top five and a bottom Tenait just
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 3: saying not not awesome, but that's gonna do it.
• 1:24:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think there's nothing to lean into
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 1: for that top five, So there's improvement.
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 3: We're good, can not unless have quit, right, But the
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 3: problem is that the list is all kind of few
• 1:25:02
  Speaker 3: new things, couple of the same old, same old things.
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 3: But like we need to see traction on any of these,
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 3: Like gen CON's done, so we can throw that one
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 3: out the window. Right Still, though, do you guys know
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 3: what you're getting for your prizing for your Vault tours.
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 3: The answer that is twenty four five. Yeah, But other
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 3: than that, the answer to that's kind of like no,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 3: like we know we're probably there's probably gonna be a
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 3: trophy and pins cool, play mat yep and then VM
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 3: twenty five, So prizes still suck. Trophies are cool, pins
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 3: are cool. Please change what you're giving out. Hopefully they're
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 3: listening and do better on the like they do the
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 3: accolade stuff like that would be. Accolades are cool and all.
• 1:25:51
  Speaker 3: But I just think again, like it's like what they did,
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 3: they kept doing with it. Well, now we're going to
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 3: lean into the special treatment. And once you like make
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 3: it not special anymore, it just becomes old. You have
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 3: to keep it special. You have to keep it fresh.
• 1:26:08
  Speaker 3: Once once you've you once you've went gone to that
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 3: well too much, nobody cares. I don't think they've gone
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 3: to the accolade too much yet, so not ye not,
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 3: we're not. We're not there yet. But like they sure
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 3: killed premium deck bordering.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: I know I like it.
• 1:26:26
  Speaker 3: I I couldn't care less. Where are all your pre.
• 1:26:35
  Speaker 1: About it is? I actually pulled mine out I've created
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 1: a shelf for them and I'm showcasing them. So I
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: do think that it was worthwhile. All right, minor in
• 1:26:49
  Speaker 1: the box, they're about to become trash course problem. Yeah,
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: so that you can make your sets, right.
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 3: I thought we uh, I thought we just ship all
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 3: our excess decks to quick draw. I thoughts what we
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 3: did on this cast.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 1: That was our pledge that we agreed to.
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 4: Wow, we did that is appropriate?
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know who this we is. We all
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 3: agreed to, but I wasn't a part of this conversation,
• 1:27:17
  Speaker 3: just saying but.
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: No, when we're looking at it, go ahead, No, no,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 1: go ahead, go ahead and sank like we need to
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: always finish with the positive. You have your organized play,
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: your vault continuation is happening. They're at game stores, KFC
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: is still nice and long. We should have another event
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: similar to our Civil war. We have deck accolades that
• 1:27:38
  Speaker 1: are actually here. The one percent increase was that deck
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: clones actually happened. Now reminders was amazing or horrible depending
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: on which society came in. There's some home base. So yes,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: which of these ten items can we go ahead and
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 1: track down? And I really think that it comes down
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: to some set design, playing things out, spreading it into
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: a more consistent focus, eliminating things that frankly aren't necessary
• 1:28:08
  Speaker 1: like repetitive vault master or slimming down our set lists.
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 1: But increase your player account for worlds and for things
• 1:28:17
  Speaker 1: and meaningful and then be consistent when you actually have
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 1: your vaults. So I think that's that's there, and then
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 1: advertise and actually have op It's a lot, but I
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 1: think with the right group things can improve. Will it happen?
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 1: It's always interesting to come and listen to this a
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: year or two later and see what what's happened or hasn't.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 3: So go listen to our last year's episode.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 1: Why not go ahead and even listen to some of
• 1:28:46
  Speaker 1: the complaints that we had for FFT. I think that
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 1: that's it is interesting to see.
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 3: I mean, they haven't advertised on pornhub yet, so they
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 3: didn't think that suggestion not.
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 4: Maybe wine are not succeeding.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 3: Now, Maybe I should just start posting these unporn hub
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: and seeing what kind of hits they get.
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 1: I am, I am?
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 3: Should they take them down? If they're not porn you
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 3: could you could you could do a nip slip there, Yeah,
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: do they take it down if it's not. What if
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: it's AI porn, there's probably a whole section for that.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 3: I'm sure, I'm sure there is. But I'm just saying, like,
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: if it's just our voices over that, like, is that count?
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 3: Do they take it down if it's not? Like I
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 3: don't really know, Like I don't know.
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: Huh So anyone was still listening at this point. If
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 1: there's something that we will, go ahead and hit up
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 1: our beautiful discord.
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 3: Actually and you walk underscore on the discord.
• 1:29:53
  Speaker 1: But know that you actually cleaned up the server. It
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 1: looks really nice now, so I'm proud of you man,
• 1:29:58
  Speaker 1: you did some good work. Or some the icons, yeah,
• 1:30:01
  Speaker 1: they're they're icons. It looks very very classy. Go ahead,
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 1: if we miss something on this list, what does gig
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 1: really need to fix for next year? Go ahead and
• 1:30:10
  Speaker 1: put it out and hopefully you can get some marketing,
• 1:30:13
  Speaker 1: you know, t foro YouTube content creators, get some actual
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 1: gameplay what we'll see. But I'm curious what what did
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 1: we miss? What do we miss?
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: And with that being said, we will see y'all next week.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 3: Happy forging everyone, May
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: The Forge be with you so many