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Tales of the Titanic: Beneath Icy Waters | Paranoid American · Ryder Lee

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Speaker 2: Bro. I'm glad to hear it, man, And it sounds
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Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, it's like whenever you're I don't know, I
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Speaker 1: don't know how you work, but like I am not
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Speaker 1: and making a movie requires like your full attention.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll foreg meals and phone calls and
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Speaker 2: just social interaction and even to the point where it's
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Speaker 2: probably unhealthy, but sometimes like I just like to completely
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Speaker 2: get into the zone in the outside world just doesn't
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Speaker 2: exist unless a pipe bursts and then I get snapped
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Speaker 2: back into reality. But otherwise I don't hear anything outside
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Speaker 2: my own little bubble. I don't see anything, none of that,
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Speaker 2: you know.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's exactly how I was when I was making
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Speaker 1: a clockwork shining dude, Like whenever I walked outside for
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Speaker 1: the first time in like two months, I was like,
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Speaker 1: It was just like wake up, work on the movie.
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Speaker 1: So you go to sleep, go to sleep, dream about
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Speaker 1: the movie, wake up, immediately start working on the movie.
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Speaker 2: So there's something called maybe this isn't the right name
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Speaker 2: for it, but I think it's called Tetris brain. And
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Speaker 2: it was when the Tetris game first came out and
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Speaker 2: people were just playing it NonStop, and it would start
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Speaker 2: to change the way that you would look at the world,
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Speaker 2: where you look at the world as if they're Tetris
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Speaker 2: blocks that you're just constantly trying to rearrange. And this
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Speaker 2: also happened back when I was like a full time
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Speaker 2: software developer, just coded NonStop all during the day, go
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Speaker 2: to sleep, code in my dreams, and I would get
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Speaker 2: that same version of Tetris brain where I'd wake up
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Speaker 2: in the morning and think, you know, like stand up
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Speaker 2: dot true or you know, move dot to bed or
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Speaker 2: something like that. Like all of my thoughts would be
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Speaker 2: in the context of trying to code. And that also
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Speaker 2: happens if I'm working on a comic script or if
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Speaker 2: I'm editing videos for two weeks straight. All of a sudden,
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Speaker 2: I'm going around through life and it's like, oh, just
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Speaker 2: truncate this car out of the way, or I'll just
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Speaker 2: like mix this down something like a baby's crying. I'll
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Speaker 2: just like, in my mind, I'm setting that fader down
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Speaker 2: a little bit. You know. It's hard to snap out
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Speaker 2: of one reality into the next.
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Speaker 1: It is, dude, And editors don't get enough credit. Bro, Like,
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Speaker 1: oh my god, Bro, if you if you like these
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Speaker 1: TikTok editors, they're like, oh, I spent like two hours
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Speaker 1: on one TikTok video. I'm like, Bro, that ain't nothing. Bro,
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Speaker 1: that ain't nothing. But speaking of like video games and
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Speaker 1: like Tetris, do you remember this old conspiracy theory that
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Speaker 1: revolved around the CIA and like an Arcade missionus.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the p O L Y B I U S.
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Speaker 2: As far as I know, I love the lore behind it,
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Speaker 2: but as far as I can tell, it was never
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Speaker 2: a real thing. It was sort of like one of
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Speaker 2: these urban legend plants. I want to believe it more
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Speaker 2: than anything that the CIA developed some kind of a
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Speaker 2: video game that would put you immediately into a trance.
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Speaker 2: It was almost like an mk ultra arcade machine that
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Speaker 2: I think was rumored to be around the seventies and
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Speaker 2: eighties or so, and there have been some faithful reproductions
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Speaker 2: of Plevious machines. And then people take a picture of
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Speaker 2: it in an old, you know, storage facility and be like,
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Speaker 2: I got I found it. I found a real copy
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Speaker 2: of the Polyvious arcade machine, guys. But uh, I guess
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Speaker 2: I'm just too much of a skeptic to believe even
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Speaker 2: in the premise itself, although I love it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds like something that, let's see how
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Speaker 1: you would do. But I'm with you, I don't know
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Speaker 1: if it actually existed. But that's one of the first ones,
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Speaker 1: like a really long time ago in like the mid
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Speaker 1: He was like two thousand and seven or two thousand
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Speaker 1: and eight on like old old YouTube. That was like
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Speaker 1: one of the big conspiracies back in the day was
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Speaker 1: the Plebeius arcade machine that they would put in And
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Speaker 1: I can't remember exactly what did people say that they
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Speaker 1: experienced after they played the game, like hallucinations or like
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Speaker 1: what did they say that they experienced. I'd have to
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Speaker 1: brush up on it again.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I have to brush up too. I think it
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Speaker 2: was a more mild version of The Ring where it
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Speaker 2: would it would somehow curse you in a certain way,
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Speaker 2: or you'd get sucked into the game and you would
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Speaker 2: not eat or sleep. I mean, basically, like editing a documentary.
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Speaker 2: He would just turn into an editor for a few
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Speaker 2: weeks and people freak out and it's like, guys, this
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Speaker 2: is just normal video editing. And I don't know if
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Speaker 2: if you're familiar with Darren Brown, he's a mentalist. He
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Speaker 2: calls himself a mentalist. He's in the UK, and he
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Speaker 2: had this one show that I can't remember the name
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Speaker 2: of it off the top of my head, but he
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Speaker 2: had kind of like a reality show where he would
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Speaker 2: go and hypnotize people on the street. And one of
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Speaker 2: the episodes was about hypnotizing this guy that went to
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Speaker 2: go and play a zombie video game. I assume it
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Speaker 2: was kind of like House of the Dead, that classic
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Speaker 2: Sega shooter. We're going through the haunted house and killing zombies,
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Speaker 2: and that this mentalist Darren Brown tricks a guy into
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Speaker 2: thinking that the zombies are real, and when he goes
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Speaker 2: to play this video game, he goes into a trance
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Speaker 2: and then they scoot him into this completely fabricated, very
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Speaker 2: real arcade level that they you know, put in like
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Speaker 2: an abandoned warehouse, and they bring him back to and
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Speaker 2: he's actually there with like these zombies coming up, and
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Speaker 2: he thinks he's in a video game. And I always
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Speaker 2: figure that that was like a polybious inspired feet. I
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Speaker 2: don't know if you've ever seen it before. If not,
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Speaker 2: I highly recommend it.
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Speaker 1: I know that there's a Black Mirror episode just like
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Speaker 1: that where they do some kind of implant on the
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Speaker 1: people and then they have them go into this haunted
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Speaker 1: house or whatever, and then they started start like hallucinating.
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Speaker 2: All kinds of good money for that.
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Speaker 1: And then there's another one too that's like on Netflix
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Speaker 1: as well, that has Chris Hemsworth. I think in it
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Speaker 1: where they install like the substance in their back or
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Speaker 1: whatever where it makes them like feel different emotions or whatever.
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Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't remember the name of it
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Speaker 1: was like spider or something.
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Speaker 2: I know you're talking about Spider Web or yeah, and
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Speaker 2: they were basically testing different levels of these emotional drugs
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Speaker 2: to see which ones will make you happy and sad.
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Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, just for the record, I absolutely
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Speaker 2: think that this CIA does this, and I think that
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Speaker 2: they probably did try a polebous machine. I just think
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Speaker 2: that the effects ascribed to it are too good to
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Speaker 2: be true, too interesting to be true.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would agree with that. And then you
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Speaker 1: get the copy counters and the people that will just
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Speaker 1: create actually create it like you were mentioning before, like
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Speaker 1: they created the Shazam thing from the Mendela.
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Speaker 2: Effects, Right, yeah, it's real. They'll take something that wasn't
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Speaker 2: real that turns new Mandela effect, and then they'll make
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Speaker 2: it real, which is I think is genius. It's kind
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Speaker 2: of like a genius marketing because it's already got a
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Speaker 2: campaign going. And if people are already running a campaign
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Speaker 2: for a product that doesn't exist, then obviously someone's going
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Speaker 2: to come in and just like make that thing exist.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. So, speaking of conspiracy theories and stuff,
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Speaker 1: You've done a lot of research and a lot of
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Speaker 1: work into the Titanic, and this is one of the
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Speaker 1: more interesting, you know, theories that I think ever it's
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Speaker 1: it's been highly debated for a really long time. You
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Speaker 1: know what happened with the Titanic. I mean, we know
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Speaker 1: about the bankers stuff. You know that all the bankers
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Speaker 1: that opposed the Federal Reserve went down coincidentally with the Titanic, Right,
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Speaker 1: we know about that. Then there's the theory that it's
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Speaker 1: not the Titanic, and then there's the other theory that
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Speaker 1: nothing sank. You know, it just keeps getting wilder and
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Speaker 1: wilder as it goes on, just like it does with everything.
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Speaker 1: So what's your hypothesis on the Titanic.
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I'm ready to make a call
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Speaker 2: as to what happened, but I usually I try to
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Speaker 2: think about it in different terms. Who are the players
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Speaker 2: and let's just to oversimplify it, Let's say there's just
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Speaker 2: a player. Let's just say the players, JP Morgan, who
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Speaker 2: represents all the interest. But he literally was the guy
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Speaker 2: that owned the line and built his own private deck
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Speaker 2: in the back of it and everything. So JP Morgan
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Speaker 2: is a huge name in this. And I guess the
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Speaker 2: most typical conspiracy theory was that there was this sister
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Speaker 2: ship called the Olympic, and that the Olympic got into
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Speaker 2: a wreck and it wasn't properly insured, so they kind
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Speaker 2: of did a do over. They took the Olympic, dressed
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Speaker 2: it up to look like the Titanic, and then sank
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Speaker 2: it so they could finally get the insurance money on it. It's
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Speaker 2: oversimplified version, but I think that that's realistic. I would say,
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Speaker 2: have there ever been instances where a business magnate sort
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Speaker 2: of insured something and then intentionally destroyed it just to
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Speaker 2: claim on the money. Of course it happens all the time.
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Speaker 2: It's like the most common form of insurance fraud. So
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Speaker 2: then you think, is they're an incentive? Well, yeah, because
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Speaker 2: the Olympic was not insured, so now there's a financial
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Speaker 2: incentive to do it. What are the other incentives? Well,
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Speaker 2: one is that he could take out all the opposition
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Speaker 2: to the Federal Reserve. Another one that doesn't get brought
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Speaker 2: up nearly as much as it should is that JP
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Speaker 2: Morgan used to be the financier of Nikola Tesla, and
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Speaker 2: then he ended up withdrawing all of his funds after
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Speaker 2: a few different events where Tesla was caught trying to
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Speaker 2: make like free energy, and I can only imagine the
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Speaker 2: conversations like you're you want to give away what now?
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Speaker 2: So he jp Morgan takes all the funding away from
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Speaker 2: Tesla and gives it to his rival Marconi, among others,
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Speaker 2: And on the Titanic was also John Jacob Astor, who
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Speaker 2: was Tesla's only remaining financier and also coincidentally one of
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Speaker 2: those guys that was in opposition to the Federal reserve
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Speaker 2: that that actually could have made it difficult. So now
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Speaker 2: you've got this triple incentive as to why you might
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Speaker 2: want to take out this one guy on this boat,
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Speaker 2: and instead of just having a single person assassinated, if
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Speaker 2: you can turn this entire tragedy and use this as
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Speaker 2: a smoke screen. Okay, maybe that's a little overboard pun
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Speaker 2: intended a little bit, maybe, like why would you sink
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Speaker 2: this entire big boat and this huge production of it
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Speaker 2: being on fire and then sinking in the middle of
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Speaker 2: the night amongst all these icebergs. Well, if you do
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Speaker 2: want to start a federal reserve, you know what else
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Speaker 2: you need is you need a whole bunch of money
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Speaker 2: to back that thing, And at this point the only
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Speaker 2: reliable money you could back something with would have been gold.
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Speaker 2: So another one of the theories is that the Titanic
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Speaker 2: sank because they were smelting gold near the hull, which
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Speaker 2: compromised the integrity of the hull of the ship. And
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Speaker 2: then when they brought it into these freezing waters, it
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Speaker 2: was to counteract the fact that these engine rooms were
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Speaker 2: just burning and smelting gold NonStop for days and days,
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Speaker 2: and the excuse about the life being gone. One of
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Speaker 2: the excuses is, oh, it was it was just hubris.
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Speaker 2: It was that they figured this ship will never sank,
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Speaker 2: we don't even need these escape boats. Or maybe the
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Speaker 2: escape boats were used to get all of the smelted
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Speaker 2: gold off the ship and over on the shore. So
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Speaker 2: one of the most outlandish but most interesting theories on
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Speaker 2: the Titanic is that it sank because they were using
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Speaker 2: it to melt down cars and bedposts and all sorts
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Speaker 2: of mundane objects that were made out of actual gold
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Speaker 2: and then painted to look like they were normal, and
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Speaker 2: they were using this to then fund the Federal Reserve.
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Speaker 2: So making a judgment call on how it happened and
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Speaker 2: why it happened all this, I think it makes more
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Speaker 2: sense to just line up, what are all the incentives?
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Speaker 2: Are there more than a few? Yes? Okay, who could
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Speaker 2: have been in charge and pulled these strings. JP Morgan, Yes,
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Speaker 2: would he have? I think so so. I mean all
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Speaker 2: of the the formulas kind of there right, the recipe
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Speaker 2: and all the ingredients are laid out. So now it's
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Speaker 2: just like did he did he bake the cake or not?
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Speaker 1: Well, I wouldn't put it put it past them to
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Speaker 1: eliminate a bunch of people just to eliminate one. I
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Speaker 1: mean that makes a lot of sense. I think we've
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Speaker 1: seen that several times over, so do you. Because the
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Speaker 1: rumor is is that something was wrong with the Titanic.
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Speaker 1: The Titanic couldn't actually get out there, so then they
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Speaker 1: just switched the holts of the Titanic and the Olympia
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Speaker 1: was it. It was the Olympia, right, or the Olympic
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Speaker 1: Olympic to the Olympic, and that's what went out there,
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Speaker 1: and then it hit an iceberg. But have we had
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Speaker 1: any other ships ever hit an iceberg in sinc since
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Speaker 1: the Titanic?
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Speaker 2: I mean, the Titanic is a little bit of one
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Speaker 2: of those nine to eleven instances where it's it's a
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Speaker 2: historic one event when just the perfect storm happens and
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Speaker 2: just like nine to eleven, all of the important people
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Speaker 2: just happened to get a call days before that had
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Speaker 2: them change their plans and just ever so conveniently seemed
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Speaker 2: to work out very well for anyone that was pro
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Speaker 2: Federal Reserve, and if you were anti Federal Reserve and
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Speaker 2: on the boat, just you know, again the perfect storm.
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Speaker 2: That was the biggest stroke of luck for all those
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Speaker 2: early proponents. And not to mention too that the astor
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Speaker 2: and some of the other people that died on the
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Speaker 2: Titanic were also members of this Jucko Island Hunt Club,
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Speaker 2: which was also something that Morgan was a part of,
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Speaker 2: and they already that this is where the Federal Reserve
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Speaker 2: got planned from as well. So the Jucko Island Hunt
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Speaker 2: Club is another one of these very strong leads if
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Speaker 2: you're interested in Titanic conspiracies. It's a thread that I
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Speaker 2: think is hard to dismiss entirely.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just kind of suspicious, like no other ship
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Speaker 1: has ever hit an iceberg out there, and no other
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Speaker 1: ship has ever seen by hitting an iceberg, Like what's
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Speaker 1: really going on?
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Speaker 2: Well, there's also a theory of could the ship have
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Speaker 2: even hit an iceberg and that have happened Some of
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Speaker 2: the other theories about the Titanic is that it was
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Speaker 2: rammed by another boat, that it was intentionally pierced in
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Speaker 2: the hull and it sank, and not not you know,
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Speaker 2: not on accident because of an iceberg, because it was
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Speaker 2: meticulously planned and strategically planned to hit it in the
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Speaker 2: weak spot in which that engine room I'm just going
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Speaker 2: to make up a number. I think it was engine
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Speaker 2: room eleven was on fire for like three or four
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Speaker 2: days straight and that was the specific place in which
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Speaker 2: the hole had been weakened, and then just hit it
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Speaker 2: in the right spot and then blame it on an iceberg,
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Speaker 2: because if you wanted to sink the ship for insurance purposes,
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Speaker 2: it's I mean, it seems unlis likely that you would
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Speaker 2: just leave it up to chance that you hit an
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Speaker 2: iceberg at the right spot and at the right time
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Speaker 2: that does everything you needed to do, versus if you
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Speaker 2: really were making this an insurance scam, making sure that
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Speaker 2: it sank and not leaving it up the chance.
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Speaker 1: It seems weird that. I mean, the Titanic was like hell,
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Speaker 1: it was like an unsinkable ship, right And I think
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Speaker 1: like way back in the day when I first learned
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Speaker 1: about the Titanic or heard of the Titanic. I was like, okay,
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Speaker 1: well maybe they were just out there kind of like
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Speaker 1: playing games like this is an unsinkable ship. It doesn't matter.
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Speaker 1: We're going to full fledged hit this freaking iceberg. And
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Speaker 1: then it's just and you know, the captain was like,
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Speaker 1: it's unsinkable. Nothing could sink the ship, and I'll prove
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Speaker 1: it right now by hitting this gigantic iceberg, you know
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Speaker 1: what I mean. That would be something that would be
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Speaker 1: really funny if it was true. But you know, like
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Speaker 1: people play games like all the time, you know it
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Speaker 1: could have been. But it's definitely definitely like a tentacle
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Speaker 1: type thing, and it's not happening just for one reason.
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Speaker 1: There's multiple reasons, like you've just laid out.
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Speaker 2: Another wild one too, is that there was a book
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Speaker 2: that was written in like eighteen ninety eight called Futility
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Speaker 2: with the subtitle was called Wreck of the Titan and
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Speaker 2: it was about a huge ship that was too big
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Speaker 2: to fail called the Titan in which pretty much the
20:25
Speaker 2: exact same scenario plays out. And this is roughly fifteen
20:30
Speaker 2: years or so before the Titanic actually sets out. So
20:34
Speaker 2: it always is interesting to me when these huge historical
20:39
Speaker 2: tragedies happen, and then you realize, oh, there was a
20:42
Speaker 2: book about this exact thing happening, Beat for beat that
20:47
Speaker 2: had come out five or ten years earlier. There's I mean,
20:50
Speaker 2: this is an example you can bring up on a
20:52
Speaker 2: lot of Oklahoma City is another example of this one.
20:55
Speaker 2: Nine to eleven's another example, this one where fictional works
20:59
Speaker 2: spell out exactly actly what ends up happening in real life.
21:04
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's several of those, and Kubrick is known for
21:09
Speaker 1: that as well. I mean, he had a Catcher in
21:11
Speaker 1: the Rye in The Shining a year before both the
21:17
Speaker 1: attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan and the the full fledged
21:22
Speaker 1: assassination of John Lennon, where Catcher in the Rye was
21:25
Speaker 1: on the scene, Like, how did he know that Catcher
21:27
Speaker 1: in the Rye was going to be used in both
21:31
Speaker 1: of those assassinations. And then especially with like you know,
21:36
Speaker 1: art mimicking reality with uh Lolita and Sue Lyon. I mean,
21:42
Speaker 1: the same thing that that movie was about was actually
21:46
Speaker 1: happening to Sue Lyon in real life behind the scenes
21:50
Speaker 1: with Kubrick's producer, like it's just insanity. And then and
21:55
Speaker 1: then also with the you know, the Shining as well.
21:58
Speaker 1: I mean what he was doing to the asked and
22:00
Speaker 1: the crew of the Shining Michelley Duval's kind of what
22:04
Speaker 1: played out the rest of her life.
22:10
Speaker 2: There's so many other I mean, we could start getting
22:12
Speaker 2: into like the occult ties too. If you're bringing up Kubrick,
22:15
Speaker 2: that's usually implied. And I think the same thing happened
22:19
Speaker 2: here with the Titanic because JP Morgan. First of all,
22:23
Speaker 2: there were multiple boats involved with the Titanic wreck, and
22:27
Speaker 2: they were all owned by JP Morgan except for one,
22:31
Speaker 2: which was the Kooner Carpathia. That was the only one
22:34
Speaker 2: that wasn't under his control. But at the time of
22:37
Speaker 2: the Titanic sinking, JP Morgan owned the White Star, he
22:42
Speaker 2: owned Dominion, Mississippi, Leyland American, one called the Red Star,
22:47
Speaker 2: and then one called Furnace with the which was it
22:52
Speaker 2: included this carbo vessel called the Rappin Hook, and the
22:55
Speaker 2: rabin Hook is the one that is supposed to have
22:57
Speaker 2: been the one that rammed it. If you go down
22:59
Speaker 2: this rabbit hole of intentionally sinking the Titanic and not
23:03
Speaker 2: accidentally hitting something for the cult sort of like going
23:08
Speaker 2: off on a limb. The first thing that was reported
23:12
Speaker 2: right before the Titanic ends up sinking was and it
23:15
Speaker 2: wasn't an iceberg, it was a quote black mass. So
23:19
Speaker 2: I can't get out of my head that this was
23:22
Speaker 2: literally a mass sacrificial ritual, a black mass, and that
23:28
Speaker 2: it was this white star. It was on a white
23:31
Speaker 2: star line. So this is like the falling Star mass
23:36
Speaker 2: ritual also known as a black mass, caused by JP
23:39
Speaker 2: Morgan on behalf of I don't know, maybe the Jesuits.
23:42
Speaker 2: I mean, it depends on how far you want to
23:44
Speaker 2: follow those threads. But it might not also just be
23:48
Speaker 2: this very clinical I need to take out the opposition
23:52
Speaker 2: for money and political reasons. I'd never discount the fact
23:56
Speaker 2: that maybe also there's some Phoenician Carthaginyan magic at play
24:00
Speaker 2: as well.
24:02
Speaker 1: What did the survivors of the Titanic say happened? Because
24:08
Speaker 1: how many people survived Titanic? It was quite a few, right,
24:12
Speaker 1: A bunch of them got off on life ROMs. Correct.
24:17
Speaker 2: Yeah, In fact, a large number of people could have
24:20
Speaker 2: survived if there had just been more of a plan
24:25
Speaker 2: and less frantic running around and causing mistakes like that.
24:30
Speaker 2: There wasn't a reason that it needed to have mass
24:33
Speaker 2: casualties other than just poor planning.
24:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, it kind of seems like I mean, but in
24:41
Speaker 1: like a scenario like that, Bro, everyone's gonna get everyone's
24:45
Speaker 1: gonna get a little crazy, They're gonna get a little wild.
24:48
Speaker 1: Have you looked into the Philadelphia Experiment not the shift Gears.
24:52
Speaker 1: I definitely want to talk more about the Titanic.
24:54
Speaker 2: I mean definitely, this one's come up. I've seen I
24:57
Speaker 2: don't remember what the movie was, but there was a
24:59
Speaker 2: movie that actually shows the guys getting fused into the
25:02
Speaker 2: side of the boat. And also, this one comes up
25:06
Speaker 2: a lot in the Project Monarch stuff, especially like the
25:10
Speaker 2: Montauk series with the Preston B. Nichols and Peter Moon
25:16
Speaker 2: I think a few different of those names, but that
25:19
Speaker 2: one also heavily relies on a lot of the claims
25:22
Speaker 2: made by the Philadelphia Experiment. And just to restate to
25:25
Speaker 2: make sure that I'm up on this, this is where
25:28
Speaker 2: the military or someone had technology that could phase a
25:33
Speaker 2: physical object and everyone on it, like a big battle cruiser,
25:35
Speaker 2: and all the crew out of existence or out of
25:38
Speaker 2: our timeline, and then back into our timeline, and that
25:41
Speaker 2: when the ship reappeared, it was like, I don't know,
25:45
Speaker 2: a couple millimeters off, or it was like a couple
25:47
Speaker 2: inches off from where it was supposed to be, which
25:50
Speaker 2: resulted in people being fused into the ship because I
25:54
Speaker 2: guess someone didn't carry the one. I don't really, I
25:57
Speaker 2: don't really exactly understand how it happened, but that what happened, right,
26:03
Speaker 2: I mean.
26:03
Speaker 1: That's the rumor. That's the rumor of what happened. But
26:08
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, it's kind of based off of a movie.
26:11
Speaker 1: It's a based off of a movie called The Philadelphia Experiment.
26:15
Speaker 1: Before Preston Nichols ever came out and started talking about
26:19
Speaker 1: all the mon Talk project and basically just ripping off
26:22
Speaker 1: the movie The Philadelphia Experiment for his entire space adventure
26:26
Speaker 1: nonsense garbage.
26:28
Speaker 2: My understanding too, is that the original movie of Philadelphia
26:32
Speaker 2: Experiment was based on them trying to create some sort
26:37
Speaker 2: of anti radar technology and that successfully, if you were
26:41
Speaker 2: just watching it on a radar, you'd see the little
26:44
Speaker 2: blip not be there, and then the next time around
26:47
Speaker 2: it would be there again, and maybe if that little
26:49
Speaker 2: blip had just shifted ever so slightly so then it
26:52
Speaker 2: became theorized like, oh what if in order to evade
26:56
Speaker 2: the radar technology. It actually phased out of exist and
27:00
Speaker 2: then phased back into existence, and that's what caused this
27:04
Speaker 2: like fusion premise, But it could be as boring and
27:08
Speaker 2: as simple as they were just testing out some sort
27:11
Speaker 2: of radar avoiding technology and this was sort of a
27:16
Speaker 2: legend born out of that.
27:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, this movie came out in nineteen eighty four, the
27:22
Speaker 1: Philadelphia Experiment, and then Presston Nichols was like mid nineties.
27:29
Speaker 2: And then Tom Hanks gets aids at the end too, right.
27:33
Speaker 1: Oh, he has to every movie that he's in. Yeah,
27:39
Speaker 1: the whole thing is basically just a rip off of
27:42
Speaker 1: this movie. So someone just watched this movie and then
27:47
Speaker 1: wrapped it into their story.
27:51
Speaker 2: I feel like it's the origin story for a lot
27:53
Speaker 2: of conspiracy and sci fi paranormal stories, as someone saw
27:58
Speaker 2: a TV show or a movie and they were like,
28:00
Speaker 2: that really happened. Here's my story.
28:02
Speaker 1: Yep, that's literally the basis of I would say ninety
28:07
Speaker 1: percent of this stuff.
28:10
Speaker 2: Well, and it just turns into like a feedback chamber,
28:13
Speaker 2: right because Philadelphia Experiment then inspires the Montauk Chronicles. The
28:20
Speaker 2: Montak Chronicles then inspires say like Stranger Things Stranger Things
28:25
Speaker 2: then is going to end up getting a lot of
28:28
Speaker 2: new people into the fold that have never heard of
28:31
Speaker 2: Montauk Chronicles or about the Philadelphia experiment, even though it's
28:34
Speaker 2: just the same story being repeated and sort of throwing
28:38
Speaker 2: a little Dungeons and Dragons, throwing a licensed Lego set
28:42
Speaker 2: and some Happy Meal toys and it's just the same
28:44
Speaker 2: thing over and over again.
28:46
Speaker 1: Yeah. How many people since Stranger Things has come out
28:49
Speaker 1: and have claimed that they were the real life eleven.
28:52
Speaker 1: I think at least like three people.
28:55
Speaker 2: I might have interviewed more than one.
29:00
Speaker 1: I was a real life eleven, I promise, and I
29:02
Speaker 1: swear yeah.
29:04
Speaker 2: I get it though, because there was this very real
29:07
Speaker 2: phenomenon that when I was a younger kid, man, I
29:10
Speaker 2: swear to you, my parents went and brought me to
29:13
Speaker 2: see like three Ninjas, and I was a ninja for
29:16
Speaker 2: the next three days.
29:17
Speaker 1: There is no bro, I love three Ninjas.
29:21
Speaker 2: Bro, I nothing will say. At that point, things are
29:25
Speaker 2: getting knocked over. I'm trying to get into fights with people.
29:28
Speaker 2: I think I can do backflips that like you transport,
29:32
Speaker 2: especially as a kid in a cinema, because the amount
29:36
Speaker 2: of time you go and see a two hour movie. Right,
29:38
Speaker 2: That two hours in relation to your waking life as
29:41
Speaker 2: a seven year old is a substantial amount of your lifetime.
29:45
Speaker 2: It represents like an entire percentage point almost. So as
29:49
Speaker 2: soon as you see a ninja movie, you become a
29:51
Speaker 2: ninja for about a week or until you get grounded.
29:55
Speaker 1: Bro. I was a power ranger for like freaking five years.
29:58
Speaker 2: Bro. It's dangerous. Yeah.
30:02
Speaker 1: I was beating up pillows. I was like throwing freaking
30:06
Speaker 1: grocery bags up in the air so many times I
30:08
Speaker 1: can hit the grocery bag before it fell to the ground.
30:12
Speaker 2: Bro, And then it's just a short step before you're
30:15
Speaker 2: doing Naruto runs at Area fifty one. It's all sort
30:18
Speaker 2: of the same larp.
30:21
Speaker 1: Also, I was a wrestler. I was a pro wrestler
30:23
Speaker 1: for a couple of years as well.
30:27
Speaker 2: That one is kind of living on the edge, right
30:29
Speaker 2: where you have an actual life that teeters on what's
30:35
Speaker 2: real and what's fake. And the entire skill is being
30:39
Speaker 2: able to not break one side or the other.
30:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, Bro, I mean when when were kids. I mean,
30:46
Speaker 1: but that doesn't take away from you know, people that
30:49
Speaker 1: may have actually experienced things whenever they were a kid.
30:52
Speaker 1: I mean, there have you ever heard of the Indian
30:54
Speaker 1: Lakes Project.
30:56
Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, what's the Indian Lakes Project?
30:59
Speaker 1: Well, it's pretty mu like this blog that was started
31:02
Speaker 1: in the early two thousands where supposedly this guy's uncle
31:07
Speaker 1: found an old metal box when he was hiking in
31:11
Speaker 1: around Indian Lakes, New York, and he put it on
31:14
Speaker 1: the shelf. He didn't open it up, and when he
31:16
Speaker 1: passed away, his nephew found the box and he opened
31:19
Speaker 1: it and supposedly had pictures in it and film reels
31:25
Speaker 1: and classified documents of this project that was in upstate
31:31
Speaker 1: New York called the Indian Lakes like Indian Lakes, New York,
31:35
Speaker 1: that had to do with like experimentation on children, and
31:39
Speaker 1: it was supposedly ran by the military, and it was
31:43
Speaker 1: a military base that used to be in the area,
31:47
Speaker 1: and a few of the photos and the pictures were
31:50
Speaker 1: posted and some of the other contents of the box
31:55
Speaker 1: this guy apparently had, but he never really showed the
32:00
Speaker 1: full documents. There was also a film reeal in it
32:06
Speaker 1: as well. And I don't really know what to think
32:08
Speaker 1: about it. It's a really interesting, weird mystery and the
32:12
Speaker 1: guy just kind of all of a sudden stopped posting,
32:15
Speaker 1: and he'd also But the thing about it too is
32:17
Speaker 1: he was like posting like stock images that he took
32:21
Speaker 1: and a bunch of fake stuff. But I don't know,
32:25
Speaker 1: it was really interesting and some of it was no
32:29
Speaker 1: one had ever they couldn't find the photos or where
32:32
Speaker 1: the photos came from. And then he also apparently found
32:37
Speaker 1: an abandoned underground base there as well, and he took
32:44
Speaker 1: photos and he like diagrammed it all out, and like
32:47
Speaker 1: there was these cots and stuff down there in this space.
32:50
Speaker 1: And this was like in the early two thousands too,
32:53
Speaker 1: So this wasn't like something new or when photoshop or
32:59
Speaker 1: AI was is a type of thing that not sing
33:02
Speaker 1: that it can't be done. I'm sure it could have
33:04
Speaker 1: been done in there early two thousands. I mean pretty
33:07
Speaker 1: sure the military and the government had all this stuff
33:09
Speaker 1: that were just now getting around, you know.
33:13
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that specific instance, did that happen? Was it
33:17
Speaker 2: called the Indian Lakes Project and all that? Maybe maybe not,
33:22
Speaker 2: It would be hard to tell right the first time
33:24
Speaker 2: I'm hearing about the specific one. But if the premise
33:27
Speaker 2: was just that there were top secret projects experimenting on kids,
33:33
Speaker 2: we already got plenty examples of those on the books.
33:36
Speaker 2: So if that's the part that makes it unbelievable or
33:40
Speaker 2: you know, like like noteworthy, so many other examples that
33:45
Speaker 2: would back up and say, yeah, they probably were. Like three,
33:48
Speaker 2: off the top of my head, there were three sub
33:50
Speaker 2: projects under mk Ultra. There was a sub project one
33:54
Speaker 2: OZ three, which was the CIA putting kids in summer camps.
33:59
Speaker 2: There was subproject one twelve that were they were doing
34:03
Speaker 2: vocational studies on children. And then there was a sub
34:06
Speaker 2: project one seventeen called Cultural Influences on Children, and this
34:10
Speaker 2: was basically them running like a mini un with kids
34:15
Speaker 2: from all over the world, and it was these ones
34:17
Speaker 2: were very tamed. These ones were pretty much the CIA
34:21
Speaker 2: grooming future agents or future assets that were positioned all
34:26
Speaker 2: over the world, right, which is kind of that the
34:28
Speaker 2: CIA's bread and butter is to have international intelligence operatives
34:32
Speaker 2: just feeding them information, but to imply that the CIA
34:37
Speaker 2: was maybe testing and experimenting on kids or involving them
34:40
Speaker 2: unwittingly in underground operations like Get in Line. There's so
34:45
Speaker 2: there's an endless number of examples of that.
34:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, one O three subproject one O three UH was
34:52
Speaker 1: the Children's International Summer village where they had all the
34:56
Speaker 1: kids and they brought them all together to be a
34:58
Speaker 1: summer camp, and then they were studying them to see
35:01
Speaker 1: how they would communicate with each other and how that
35:04
Speaker 1: they could basically groom them to be a part of
35:09
Speaker 1: like these like ambassador things. And it was like all
35:12
Speaker 1: of like mixed race of of kids.
35:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, like boy Scouts meets the UN but the CIA
35:21
Speaker 2: is driving the whole thing.
35:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and uh, but what was interesting about the
35:28
Speaker 1: Indian Lakes project was that no one could find out
35:33
Speaker 1: any information on it. And you're you're probably right, it
35:35
Speaker 1: probably wasn't called that it was. It might have been
35:39
Speaker 1: something different. But it was like the if the base
35:43
Speaker 1: ever did really exist, then it was just completely wiped
35:47
Speaker 1: off the map. Like they just completely destroyed the base
35:51
Speaker 1: and like erased everything from it. And you know, apparently
35:55
Speaker 1: this box that this guy has that no longer posts
35:58
Speaker 1: on anything he hasn't been active in like twenty years,
36:01
Speaker 1: over twenty years, had the remnants and photos and proof
36:07
Speaker 1: of this program and this military base actually existing. So
36:15
Speaker 1: I don't know, I thought it was really interesting.
36:18
Speaker 2: There's a little there's a little spin of like a
36:20
Speaker 2: Preston Nichols thing on that too, because that's some of
36:23
Speaker 2: the claims made about Campiro or somewhat similar, that they
36:26
Speaker 2: had an underground base, that they were stocking it with children,
36:30
Speaker 2: and that when the military wrapped up that project, that
36:34
Speaker 2: they basically took all the evidence with them, even though
36:38
Speaker 2: people later on, decades later were breaking in the Campiro
36:42
Speaker 2: and finding all these this old equipment and going inside
36:46
Speaker 2: the actual radar tower and all this. So sometimes there
36:49
Speaker 2: it could be a mixture, right, like something was happening there,
36:53
Speaker 2: but we'll never really know exactly what it was.
36:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, one of them big old mysteries, good old mystery
37:02
Speaker 1: box for us there. But yeah, they have been they've
37:06
Speaker 1: been doing that kind of stuff for a really long time.
37:08
Speaker 1: It's just this one was like it was early two thousand.
37:13
Speaker 1: It's really weird. And some of the stock photos could
37:16
Speaker 1: be explained away now because people have been I mean
37:20
Speaker 1: that that was like the year of like two thousand
37:23
Speaker 1: is whenever that blog spot blog posts first started, so
37:28
Speaker 1: some of those photos could have became stock photos in
37:33
Speaker 1: the years since, and they might not have been stock photios.
37:37
Speaker 2: Well, this is before anyone lied on the internet early
37:40
Speaker 2: two thousands, no one like it was pretty much all
37:43
Speaker 2: truth back then.
37:48
Speaker 1: Maybe maybe I'm sure there.
37:49
Speaker 2: Was no one would have lied on the Internet in
37:52
Speaker 2: the early two thousands. Man, we were too innocent and fragile.
37:58
Speaker 1: You get all MySpace days, dude, my Space for days.
38:03
Speaker 1: So doesn't you of this connect to like the Satanic
38:09
Speaker 1: panic stuff? Like, since we're on this topic of like
38:14
Speaker 1: kids and experimentation on kids, how does this wrap into
38:19
Speaker 1: the Satanic panic days?
38:24
Speaker 2: I think the easiest connection, at least in my mind,
38:27
Speaker 2: is just secret societies and intelligence agencies. And if you
38:32
Speaker 2: were to say Satanism, which is a very wide net
38:38
Speaker 2: to cast, right, because there's so many versions of what
38:41
Speaker 2: you might consider Satanism. But even under that huge umbrella,
38:46
Speaker 2: these smaller groups they do tend to follow if not
38:50
Speaker 2: a secret society structure, it's a mystery school structure. And
38:55
Speaker 2: once you can get someone to admit like, Okay, I'm
38:57
Speaker 2: not in a secret society, but I am in a
39:00
Speaker 2: as I mystery school, and it's like potato potato a
39:02
Speaker 2: little bit, because mystery schools kind of were the prototype
39:06
Speaker 2: for secret societies before there was a necessity to focus
39:11
Speaker 2: on the secrecy aspect of that. So Satanism and a
39:15
Speaker 2: lot of the variations of that they are ripe for
39:19
Speaker 2: infiltration by intelligence agents because A it's a group that
39:23
Speaker 2: prides itself on being able to keep secrets. And if
39:28
Speaker 2: you're keeping secrets, it means that you have some sort
39:30
Speaker 2: of information it might be helpful. Who knows to the
39:33
Speaker 2: outside world it doesn't have access to it. So creating
39:37
Speaker 2: a secret society or joining a coven or any of these,
39:40
Speaker 2: it's almost just like going fishing to be infiltrated by
39:45
Speaker 2: filling the blank FBI, atf CIA, you know what I mean, NSA,
39:50
Speaker 2: But they become magnets for these things. And you can
39:53
Speaker 2: find this going all the way back all the occultiest writers,
39:58
Speaker 2: all those spy novel writers, like they were deep into
40:00
Speaker 2: both worlds. They were into military intelligence and into occultism.
40:04
Speaker 2: Some of the claims that Alistair Crowley was like an
40:07
Speaker 2: MI five six guy, that Fleming was deeply involved in
40:12
Speaker 2: both a cult and in military intelligence, and they had
40:15
Speaker 2: like these inside connections. So I think that whenever you've
40:19
Speaker 2: got a group, say even the Jecko Island Hunt Club,
40:22
Speaker 2: which is not far removed from say the Skull and
40:25
Speaker 2: Bones at Yale, which they themselves take part in activities
40:31
Speaker 2: even outwardly that could be construed as satanist. I mean,
40:35
Speaker 2: it depends again on how wide you're willing to allow
40:39
Speaker 2: that word to have a definition. But if you were
40:41
Speaker 2: to walk into an initiation ritual in the tomb, and
40:45
Speaker 2: you've got a naked future president, you know, doing things
40:50
Speaker 2: with his naked body inside of a coffin as everyone
40:53
Speaker 2: stands around and records it, I could forgive someone for saying,
40:56
Speaker 2: like I think that that was a Satanic ritual. So
40:59
Speaker 2: here we've got very direct connection with occultism and satanism
41:04
Speaker 2: and military intelligence and basically any sort of massive scale,
41:09
Speaker 2: planned false flag trauma based attack that could be harvested
41:14
Speaker 2: for all sorts of political reasons.
41:18
Speaker 1: Rob oz as here, I was in Red Cross Youth.
41:21
Speaker 1: It was like a un style organization.
41:25
Speaker 2: I got a fun fact on Red Cross that the
41:28
Speaker 2: Red Cross's first domestic tragedy that they tended to was
41:34
Speaker 2: the Jonestown flood or the Johns Town flood, not Jonestown
41:38
Speaker 2: Johnstown flood and the Johnstown flood rusty on the details here,
41:43
Speaker 2: but I believe it was the Carnegie was working on
41:48
Speaker 2: some sort of a refinery and they had this whole
41:51
Speaker 2: Johnstown that was kind of in the way, and they
41:54
Speaker 2: were complaining about the runoff from the steel mill and
41:57
Speaker 2: all these things that were going on, and they end
41:59
Speaker 2: up plugging a dam and then letting it burst and
42:02
Speaker 2: it completely floods this entire Johnstown area, which works out
42:07
Speaker 2: great for the factory owners because now they don't have
42:09
Speaker 2: this pesky town complaining about all their runoff. And the
42:13
Speaker 2: Red Cross was the that was like their first domestic mission.
42:17
Speaker 2: And again, depending on how conspiratory you want to be,
42:20
Speaker 2: but that very well could have been a planned like
42:24
Speaker 2: a planned failed event, that that was a natural disaster
42:27
Speaker 2: that was caused on purpose by corporate industry in order
42:32
Speaker 2: to just clear out the land so that they could
42:34
Speaker 2: expand without you know, unbridled, without any anyone complaining or
42:38
Speaker 2: getting in their way. So the Red Cross might have
42:42
Speaker 2: very early on immediately been part of the system and
42:45
Speaker 2: just a complete syop.
42:49
Speaker 1: I remember that, wasn't that that was a slave town,
42:56
Speaker 1: wasn't it? Or was it a that got flooded by
42:59
Speaker 1: the dam.
43:00
Speaker 2: I know that it was a town. It was not
43:02
Speaker 2: an affluent town.
43:05
Speaker 1: Because there's a few of them that are like that
43:07
Speaker 1: around the United States where they just completely flooded it
43:11
Speaker 1: they busted a damn and then just completely flooded the
43:14
Speaker 1: entire study. And I think that one of them was
43:19
Speaker 1: because they thought that a African American man raped a
43:26
Speaker 1: young white woman and then they just came in and
43:30
Speaker 1: cleared them all out of the town and then flooded
43:31
Speaker 1: their town. Don't quote me on which one that one was,
43:34
Speaker 1: but I remember watching a documentary about it, and then
43:41
Speaker 1: scuba divers like go down there all the time and
43:44
Speaker 1: bring up these like like relics of this old town.
43:52
Speaker 2: Just fun American history, that's all it is.
43:58
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's uh, it's like okay, well, I mean California.
44:04
Speaker 1: The center of California used to be a giant lake. Dude,
44:11
Speaker 1: huge lake just in the center of California, and then
44:14
Speaker 1: they drained that lake and now it's like all land.
44:22
Speaker 1: It says that they drained it for the farmers or whatever,
44:24
Speaker 1: but like pretty much all of northern California used to
44:28
Speaker 1: be a giant lake.
44:29
Speaker 2: Well in the state of Florida and New York City,
44:33
Speaker 2: right they were both just swamp land until they drained
44:36
Speaker 2: it and decided that this is where they're going to
44:38
Speaker 2: put the headquarters.
44:43
Speaker 1: Posting it up dune that a mud flood, Bro.
44:50
Speaker 2: I mean, is there an intent of building on top
44:53
Speaker 2: of an area that you know, if it if it
44:56
Speaker 2: goes untended, that it'll just naturally seccee back into nature.
45:03
Speaker 1: Mud flood, Dude, That's what it is.
45:05
Speaker 2: Where are you at on mud flood?
45:08
Speaker 1: It's a mud flood, Bron.
45:09
Speaker 2: Well, I know you can say it because there's there's
45:13
Speaker 2: at least two kinds of mud flood. There's the laser
45:16
Speaker 2: melting land mud flood, and then there's just sort of
45:20
Speaker 2: a you know, a diluvian story mud flood where instead
45:25
Speaker 2: of just water wiping the earth, it's mud that kind
45:28
Speaker 2: of hits the reset button.
45:32
Speaker 1: I'm not sure on the mud flood stuff or the
45:36
Speaker 1: mud flood theories, but I do believe that there have
45:41
Speaker 1: been buildings that have been built on top of other buildings.
45:44
Speaker 1: I mean, you can just look at Russia and you
45:46
Speaker 1: can see layers upon layers of buildings built on top
45:49
Speaker 1: of other buildings, and the people that are on those
45:51
Speaker 1: buildings don't even know that there's twelve stories of buildings
45:54
Speaker 1: underneath them.
45:56
Speaker 2: Any temple that the Vatican never put up.
46:00
Speaker 1: Yeah, or like I mean, you can go to San Francisco, Bro,
46:04
Speaker 1: and you can see like I mean, I wouldn't recommend
46:07
Speaker 1: going to San Francisco, uh, but if you did, you
46:12
Speaker 1: can kind of look around and be like this, some
46:15
Speaker 1: of the buildings seem super freaking old, like really old, bro. Like,
46:20
Speaker 1: the architecture is like insane. And I do think that
46:24
Speaker 1: there's some trickery and some stuff going on with the
46:29
Speaker 1: World's Fairs as well. I think that that had to
46:32
Speaker 1: be there's something more going on there. And then when
46:35
Speaker 1: you look at like the Great Fires, like it's weird,
46:39
Speaker 1: bro Like, so many fires like broke out in the
46:41
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds into the nineteen hundreds, just like eradicating everything.
46:47
Speaker 1: Like huge fires just all break out like simultaneously and
46:51
Speaker 1: just like burn everything, and then it's just rebuilt in
46:56
Speaker 1: like two years. That's what the Chicago World's Fair was about,
47:01
Speaker 1: was bringing people back to Chicago because of the fires.
47:05
Speaker 2: Cool because the cow kicked over the Lantin.
47:09
Speaker 1: And they wanted to bring everyone into the Chicago bring
47:13
Speaker 1: everyone back to Chicago when they rebuild it in like
47:17
Speaker 1: two years, I'm like, you're telling me that you rebuild
47:20
Speaker 1: this entire city after it was decimated by a giant
47:22
Speaker 1: fire in like two years. They give me a break, dude.
47:27
Speaker 1: I mean, how long does it take to build a building? Now, Dude,
47:30
Speaker 1: it takes like five, six, sometimes ten years. There'll be
47:33
Speaker 1: in construction for freaking ever. Bro, building a whole city
47:37
Speaker 1: in freaking two years.
47:38
Speaker 2: Come on, well, I mean again, this is also when
47:41
Speaker 2: I think you could send your like fourteen year olds
47:44
Speaker 2: off to work on the building as well. Though, so
47:47
Speaker 2: we got we got more red tape too. It's it's
47:50
Speaker 2: kind of goes both ways.
47:52
Speaker 1: And then it's like, where did all these people come from?
47:55
Speaker 1: Where did all the kids come from? And you're telling
47:58
Speaker 1: me everybody that traveled to the World Fair in Chicago
48:01
Speaker 1: and all these fairs that we had over here, we
48:04
Speaker 1: had like three really big ones, one in Chicago, won
48:07
Speaker 1: in uh New York, another one in California, and there
48:12
Speaker 1: was like babies there, Bro, there was like just babies
48:15
Speaker 1: in freaking incubators. Where did all these babies come from?
48:21
Speaker 1: And whose babies were they? And whose mothers just let
48:26
Speaker 1: these babies be on display? And why were people walking
48:30
Speaker 1: around acting like this is the first time that they
48:32
Speaker 1: had ever seen a baby? And then not only that,
48:34
Speaker 1: like all the people that are coming over from England
48:36
Speaker 1: on boats, all of them made it. There wasn't one
48:45
Speaker 1: not one ship hit an iceberg, did not one ship
48:51
Speaker 1: h I and everyone made it bro miraculously.
48:56
Speaker 2: It's it's funny how safe we are before someone decides
49:00
Speaker 2: they want to build a central bank. As soon as
49:03
Speaker 2: someone thinks of it, all of a sudden, there's like
49:05
Speaker 2: thousands of death. It just kind of happens. It's part.
49:08
Speaker 2: It's part of the sacrifice in order to get the
49:11
Speaker 2: central bank.
49:14
Speaker 1: If we're being real here, I think that the world's
49:16
Speaker 1: fair if they weren't something more than what people think
49:20
Speaker 1: that they are, and they weren't just some kind of
49:22
Speaker 1: you know, let's get everybody in the world. Let's get
49:24
Speaker 1: all the entire population in the United States. Let's cram
49:27
Speaker 1: them in here. We don't have a place for them
49:29
Speaker 1: to stay. Where they going to be? Where all these horses?
49:31
Speaker 1: Where's all the horse shit? You know, how did they
49:33
Speaker 1: build all this stuff? Take all that out of the window, Okay,
49:37
Speaker 1: erase all that. I do believe that it was a
49:44
Speaker 1: a programming thing, because everything that happened during the World's
49:48
Speaker 1: Fairs is the types of things that we like. There
49:51
Speaker 1: was a lot of things that was introduced there. A
49:54
Speaker 1: consensus was introduced at the World's Fair. You would get
49:57
Speaker 1: these tickets where you would write your name down, your
50:01
Speaker 1: birth date and like you would get like a pass
50:04
Speaker 1: or whatever. It was like a consensus they were trying
50:06
Speaker 1: to keep track of everybody that was there, and then
50:08
Speaker 1: you would, you know, pay your money and then you
50:10
Speaker 1: get like these tickets. It's the first time this type
50:12
Speaker 1: of thing was ever introduced, right, and a lot of
50:17
Speaker 1: it was it was called a World's Fair passport was
50:21
Speaker 1: what it was called. And then they and then they
50:25
Speaker 1: had like side show attractions like they would do like
50:27
Speaker 1: reenactments like all this kind. They had freak shows and
50:31
Speaker 1: like all this stuff and people had never seen this before.
50:35
Speaker 1: And that's leaving out the other really crazy stuff that
50:38
Speaker 1: was apparently there as well, like moving sidewalks and freaking
50:43
Speaker 1: electric cars and that's all reported to have been there,
50:47
Speaker 1: but no one really knows. And like electricity, you know,
50:50
Speaker 1: and like all this stuff bro that no one had
50:52
Speaker 1: ever seen before ever. And then it just looks like
50:56
Speaker 1: Rome was built in downtown Chicago in two years. It
51:02
Speaker 1: is giant freaking stadiums in these It's it's wild. But
51:09
Speaker 1: all of that aside, it was definitely like a like
51:13
Speaker 1: a type of programming for the types of things that
51:18
Speaker 1: we like take for granted.
51:21
Speaker 2: Now, I thing also it could act as prototypes for
51:28
Speaker 2: the whole fifteen minute city idea where once you get
51:31
Speaker 2: into this small little area, guess what, through technology, every
51:36
Speaker 2: single desire or need you have can be fulfilled in
51:40
Speaker 2: walking distance. And that even the creation of these plaster
51:45
Speaker 2: of Paris or not whatever, like old world style, but
51:49
Speaker 2: just having them set up to show people that came
51:52
Speaker 2: from far and wide of like, hey, look, if you
51:54
Speaker 2: lived here, you'd be home by now. You wouldn't have
51:56
Speaker 2: to leave this this small little area. Because whenever someone
52:00
Speaker 2: describes the original purpose of these earlier world fairs, all
52:03
Speaker 2: I can think of is Epcot or Walt Disney World,
52:07
Speaker 2: you know, or Disneyland.
52:09
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it seems like. It seems like they
52:12
Speaker 1: built a gigantic Disneyland and then I had, like all
52:17
Speaker 1: these people come and show up for it.
52:20
Speaker 2: Well, I see this too, kind of the way that
52:24
Speaker 2: old cathedrals will be described that if you lived in
52:28
Speaker 2: an area where you probably weren't even gonna move more
52:32
Speaker 2: than fifty miles away from where you're born, you're gonna
52:34
Speaker 2: die somewhere close to that, And that the most extravagant
52:38
Speaker 2: experience a lot of people had was just going to
52:41
Speaker 2: church on some major days, because you go into church
52:45
Speaker 2: and you see the stained glass and you smell all
52:48
Speaker 2: these new smells of frankincense and myrhr, and you hear
52:51
Speaker 2: these acoustics, You see these well you know, masoned sort
52:57
Speaker 2: of stones and textures. You walk into these big cathedrals
53:02
Speaker 2: and you're just blasted on all of your senses, you know,
53:06
Speaker 2: like it basically transports you to a completely different reality
53:10
Speaker 2: and now you're so much more impressionable. So anything that
53:14
Speaker 2: you receive in this heightened state of sensory overload, it
53:18
Speaker 2: kind of cuts through all the extra barriers and logic
53:21
Speaker 2: gateways that it normally has to go through. And I
53:24
Speaker 2: think that these world fairs kind of did something similar,
53:28
Speaker 2: but to the secular mind, where you didn't have to
53:30
Speaker 2: believe that you just entered some you know, sanctity of
53:34
Speaker 2: like a holy area, and that the the stained glass
53:38
Speaker 2: windows and the murr and all this was a spiritual experience,
53:41
Speaker 2: but you would get the exact same outcome where you're like,
53:43
Speaker 2: oh my god, I'm surrounded by all this amazing technology.
53:46
Speaker 2: I can't believe how far we are? What's that a television?
53:49
Speaker 2: You know? Is that a horse over there? How do
53:52
Speaker 2: they make this entire city in the last you know,
53:55
Speaker 2: two years or whatever. I think that that also is
53:59
Speaker 2: the same way of shocking your senses, so that any
54:02
Speaker 2: new information they present just becomes the new standard for
54:05
Speaker 2: you and you don't question it, because how could you
54:08
Speaker 2: question anything when you're just surrounded by so many things
54:11
Speaker 2: that are blowing your mind.
54:14
Speaker 1: That's a really good explanation. Have any of your original
54:19
Speaker 1: music that's been on TV and music, I mean and
54:23
Speaker 1: movies ever went double murr done.
54:27
Speaker 2: No, I've never never got the nice like platinum you know,
54:32
Speaker 2: record or anything. Usually, my claims the fame are the
54:35
Speaker 2: songs that got stolen by a bigger artists and then
54:38
Speaker 2: they went on to get a lot more recognition from them.
54:42
Speaker 2: I think my most famous one is I had a
54:46
Speaker 2: whole bunch of music that was placed on Adult Swim
54:49
Speaker 2: in the early two thousands, like between the Little Bumpers
54:53
Speaker 2: and one of the guys that I was collaborating with
54:56
Speaker 2: way back then, this is like two thousand and three
54:58
Speaker 2: or two thousand and four was Flying Lotus, and he
55:01
Speaker 2: went on to do like the Tron soundtrack, and he's
55:04
Speaker 2: got like Grammys and stuff. But I had one song
55:07
Speaker 2: that played before. I think it was in an Awkwartine
55:12
Speaker 2: Hunger Force, and the sample someone like sampled my entire beat,
55:17
Speaker 2: and then that ended up getting lifted by Currency, and
55:21
Speaker 2: then Currency played it and it became like a huge
55:24
Speaker 2: hit for him. So I don't get any royalties from it,
55:27
Speaker 2: but I definitely like, I feel like at least that
55:30
Speaker 2: many people have heard that song, and I've got so
55:33
Speaker 2: many more. For part of the reason why, once I
55:36
Speaker 2: got into the music industry, I kind of hated every
55:39
Speaker 2: part of it, even though I felt like I had
55:41
Speaker 2: reached the pinnacle of what I wanted, and then I realized, oh,
55:44
Speaker 2: this is not what I wanted at all.
55:48
Speaker 1: That's wild, dude. That's like they don't want the little
55:51
Speaker 1: person getting any other credits, so they just steal your
55:54
Speaker 1: shit and then make it seem like that it's their own,
55:57
Speaker 1: and then.
55:58
Speaker 2: It's so easy.
56:00
Speaker 1: They're like they approved people, they approved people to be
56:04
Speaker 1: able to do it, and you're not the approved person,
56:06
Speaker 1: so therefore you have to take the back burner seat.
56:10
Speaker 2: Correct. Yeah, And if you don't have a legal team
56:13
Speaker 2: on your behalf, then there's really no reason even fighting it,
56:16
Speaker 2: and that's sort of status quo, man. I mean, yeah,
56:20
Speaker 2: every part of the music industry, once you see how
56:23
Speaker 2: the sausage gets made is just to me, it was
56:27
Speaker 2: incredibly unappealing. It was the opposite of what And I
56:31
Speaker 2: mean this was early. This was me as soon as
56:34
Speaker 2: I got out of the military. I was, I don't know,
56:37
Speaker 2: twenty one, twenty two, and I was like, I just
56:40
Speaker 2: want to work in recording studios. So I was still
56:43
Speaker 2: kind of wet behind the ears. Had just gotten out
56:46
Speaker 2: into the real world because I went from you know,
56:48
Speaker 2: living with my parents in high school to living with
56:50
Speaker 2: my parents in the military, but my new parents being
56:54
Speaker 2: Uncle Sam and you know everyone else that controlled my life.
56:57
Speaker 2: So once I got out of that and had true
56:59
Speaker 2: for him for the first time, I was kind of
57:02
Speaker 2: like a babe into the new world. And yeah, started
57:04
Speaker 2: working in a recording studio, started getting music placed, and
57:07
Speaker 2: then slowly realized that it wasn't the fantasy that I
57:10
Speaker 2: had built up in my head over the first you know,
57:12
Speaker 2: two decades in my life.
57:16
Speaker 1: Yeah, why would they want to build up somebody that
57:18
Speaker 1: is completely unknown and give them all the money whenever
57:21
Speaker 1: they can just take what you're doing and they get
57:23
Speaker 1: all the money.
57:25
Speaker 2: And I didn't have like a dad that knew someone
57:28
Speaker 2: that you could, you know, sort of finagle me into
57:31
Speaker 2: credits on an album in order to get access to
57:34
Speaker 2: someone else that I knew or was related to. It's
57:37
Speaker 2: kind of how it works. It's just like a Game
57:38
Speaker 2: of Thrones music edition.
57:40
Speaker 1: Oh wait, so your dad wasn't the head of the Pentagon.
57:43
Speaker 2: Right, it would have helped. Yeah, if dad had been
57:46
Speaker 2: in military intelligence, I might have broken into the music industry.
57:50
Speaker 1: Quicker, bro, What a shame, dude, what a shame. But
57:54
Speaker 1: that seems to be the way that it works with
57:58
Speaker 1: every kind of industry. It doesn't matter if you're an inventor,
58:03
Speaker 1: you're a musician. If you're like bottom down on the
58:07
Speaker 1: totem bowl, then you're gonna kind of get screwed at
58:12
Speaker 1: every angle.
58:14
Speaker 2: Right, even if you have some kind of ingenuity and
58:17
Speaker 2: create something new, it's so easy for patents to be
58:22
Speaker 2: stolen or misappropriated. And I mean the history books are
58:26
Speaker 2: filled with this. Not to get all left wing and
58:28
Speaker 2: liberal or anything, but like the whole Howard Zen's People's
58:33
Speaker 2: History of the United States. I don't think that's all
58:35
Speaker 2: made up and all just psyops like that. I think
58:38
Speaker 2: that there are a decent amount of vignettes in that collection.
58:42
Speaker 2: So I don't know if you're familiar with this book,
58:46
Speaker 2: it was kind of like if you were forced to
58:47
Speaker 2: read Noam Chomsky, you probably were also forced to read
58:51
Speaker 2: this Howard Zen book. But it basically just counts all
58:55
Speaker 2: of the unsung heroes, all the people that almost made
58:58
Speaker 2: it and that were robbed the last second, which I
59:01
Speaker 2: think constitutes a more accurate representation of American history. And
59:06
Speaker 2: it's not just always the Robert Barons and them writing,
59:10
Speaker 2: you know, the history written by the victors. There are
59:14
Speaker 2: so many examples where history is created by not the victors,
59:18
Speaker 2: but their stories don't necessarily always get made into Netflix movies.
59:22
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's this guy named Max Martin, and he has
59:26
Speaker 1: been reported to be like the number one most successful
59:31
Speaker 1: songwriter in the past like twenty years. He's like apparently
59:37
Speaker 1: written like every big hit, I want it that way,
59:41
Speaker 1: maybe one more time, It's my life, a lot of
59:45
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift's shake it Off, though she reports to write
59:49
Speaker 1: all of her songs. He won GRAMMYO the year I.
59:56
Speaker 2: Was told this was a pro Taylor Swift podcast. Don't
59:59
Speaker 2: go pulling the rug out from under me.
1:00:01
Speaker 1: Now, Well, you can't make a claim that you write
1:00:05
Speaker 1: all of your songs when you don't write all of
1:00:07
Speaker 1: your songs. Like if some if one person wrote one
1:00:12
Speaker 1: of your songs and you can't say and you let's
1:00:15
Speaker 1: say someone wrote one of them and you wrote the
1:00:18
Speaker 1: other ten that's on the album. You can't say that
1:00:19
Speaker 1: you wrote all the songs.
1:00:21
Speaker 2: I mean you can say it, Yeah, I.
1:00:23
Speaker 1: Mean you could say it, but it's not going to
1:00:25
Speaker 1: be accurate. But that's what we're about here on Raised
1:00:30
Speaker 1: by Giants is accuracy.
1:00:32
Speaker 2: Bro. Maybe, I mean I think that there's also an
1:00:36
Speaker 2: argument to be made that lying is just another rhetorical device,
1:00:42
Speaker 2: and any rhetorical device, even if it's a logical fallacy
1:00:46
Speaker 2: like a lie would be, doesn't mean that it's invalid
1:00:50
Speaker 2: in being used to sway public opinion. Right, Like if
1:00:54
Speaker 2: I attack you with an ad hominem fallacy, but I
1:00:58
Speaker 2: know that the audience listening to us will fall for
1:01:02
Speaker 2: that ad hominem and they will no longer give credit
1:01:05
Speaker 2: to anything that you say, then it's completely valid for
1:01:08
Speaker 2: me to use that ad hominem in the exact same way.
1:01:11
Speaker 2: That if I know my audience will believe a lie
1:01:15
Speaker 2: and it'll win win them over to my side of
1:01:17
Speaker 2: the argument, then there's no reason not to lie. So
1:01:20
Speaker 2: why not say I write all my songs if you
1:01:23
Speaker 2: know that you're sick of fan fan base is going
1:01:26
Speaker 2: to one hundred percent believe you and almost fight to
1:01:28
Speaker 2: the death anyone that tries to contradict that. Right, that's just.
1:01:35
Speaker 1: Not the type of person that I would be. You know, like,
1:01:41
Speaker 1: I don't see any honor, no honor in that my
1:01:46
Speaker 1: personal opinion.
1:01:47
Speaker 2: You know, well, you're not also not the number one,
1:01:50
Speaker 2: you know songwriter that writes all of their own songs
1:01:54
Speaker 2: and travels the world. But she doesn't, right, I don't know.
1:02:01
Speaker 2: But the history is written by the victors, right, and
1:02:04
Speaker 2: I feel like she's a victor in this case.
1:02:09
Speaker 1: What the I mean? Yeah, she definitely is. She has
1:02:13
Speaker 1: a very very loyal fan base, broom.
1:02:17
Speaker 2: Well, and it's it's like an attainable thing. I think
1:02:21
Speaker 2: she represents mediocrity in a way that everyone can relate to. Right,
1:02:27
Speaker 2: She doesn't necessarily represent this impossible to attain personality or
1:02:34
Speaker 2: skill set or any of that. It kind of represents
1:02:36
Speaker 2: the true false American dream of anyone can be president.
1:02:42
Speaker 2: You know that's it's kind of like the musical version
1:02:44
Speaker 2: of that. And I gotta I have a whole tangent
1:02:48
Speaker 2: on Taylor's Swift. By the way, that not joking. I
1:02:52
Speaker 2: believe that there's a possibility that Taylor Swift is a
1:02:56
Speaker 2: DARPA funded project. And part of the reason that I
1:03:00
Speaker 2: say this is because when I first joined the military
1:03:03
Speaker 2: in two thousand and one, I remember going to the
1:03:07
Speaker 2: BX on base and this is in Texas, and I
1:03:09
Speaker 2: believe it. At this point, Taylor Swift was in Tennessee
1:03:13
Speaker 2: and in Nashville, and she was trying to rise through
1:03:17
Speaker 2: the ranks. Basically from Nashville and all the way out
1:03:20
Speaker 2: in San Antonio, Texas. Her albums were in all the
1:03:24
Speaker 2: px's on the end caps when you went to go
1:03:26
Speaker 2: and check out and buy all your stuff. And this
1:03:29
Speaker 2: is when she was I think still like fifteen or something.
1:03:32
Speaker 2: These were hand printed CDRs that were kind of like
1:03:37
Speaker 2: hand shrink wrapped and stuff. This was not a professional
1:03:40
Speaker 2: release that came directly from BMG or any of the
1:03:43
Speaker 2: other typical outlets. And I even remember thinking at that time,
1:03:47
Speaker 2: who is this like fifteen year old and how do
1:03:49
Speaker 2: they have their album releases in a freaking military px
1:03:54
Speaker 2: where there's no other albums anywhere on here. Like, someone's
1:03:57
Speaker 2: got to have a strong connection to even be able
1:04:00
Speaker 2: to have distribution in such a weird spot on these
1:04:03
Speaker 2: end caps. And this is before anyone really knew who
1:04:06
Speaker 2: she was, and then come to find out years later
1:04:09
Speaker 2: she becomes this this huge thing, And it wasn't that
1:04:11
Speaker 2: big of a surprise to me because I just remember thinking,
1:04:14
Speaker 2: even as she's getting big, like, oh, this is that
1:04:16
Speaker 2: girl that had that crazy distribution deal that had her
1:04:19
Speaker 2: music placed in all military bases all across the domestic
1:04:24
Speaker 2: United States. And I mean, I've never heard that kind
1:04:27
Speaker 2: of strategy before, where it's like, hey, we've got this
1:04:29
Speaker 2: new artist, we're gonna do something different. We're gonna make
1:04:33
Speaker 2: sure that every military base has access to this artist music,
1:04:37
Speaker 2: not even in like the music sections, like you know,
1:04:40
Speaker 2: on the way to check out, next to the cigarettes
1:04:42
Speaker 2: and the bubblegum. We're just gonna have this little girl's album.
1:04:46
Speaker 2: So I firmly believe that there is a military connection
1:04:50
Speaker 2: to Taylor Swift that just hasn't been fully revealed yet.
1:04:55
Speaker 1: I would agree with that. Max Martin most successful Scots
1:04:58
Speaker 1: songwriter in the last twenty years. Just turn on the
1:05:01
Speaker 1: top forty radio and you will hear one of his songs,
1:05:05
Speaker 1: Bake It Off, a song recorded by Taylor Swift. Okay,
1:05:11
Speaker 1: so he wrote bake it Off. Okay, Taylor, Okay.
1:05:20
Speaker 2: I don't want to. I believe Taylor. I am. We're
1:05:24
Speaker 2: team Taylor here.
1:05:27
Speaker 1: No, but somebody else was. I think that was a
1:05:30
Speaker 1: popular Well, it wasn't popular, but that's something that people
1:05:34
Speaker 1: were saying around. I think it was whenever she came
1:05:37
Speaker 1: out in like an endorse Biden or whatever, and then
1:05:41
Speaker 1: like there was like a bunch of news people. There's
1:05:44
Speaker 1: been a lot of like plays to like try and
1:05:46
Speaker 1: take down Taylor Swift, but it like never works, dude,
1:05:49
Speaker 1: never works. She's like a she's a machine. But what
1:05:52
Speaker 1: also is interesting, I think she was really young whenever
1:05:56
Speaker 1: she did her first album, she made have been one
1:06:02
Speaker 1: of the only child stars that really turned out okay
1:06:09
Speaker 1: and didn't go down like a huge drug induced thing
1:06:14
Speaker 1: and then die of some overdose. I mean, we see
1:06:17
Speaker 1: how like Justin Bieber is acting right now. He he
1:06:22
Speaker 1: might he might be the next one to go to
1:06:24
Speaker 1: be honest, but a lot of them like, well, I
1:06:29
Speaker 1: guess Justin Timberlake. I think Justin timerly counts. He was
1:06:32
Speaker 1: in the Disney he was in the Mickey Mouse Club
1:06:35
Speaker 1: along with Benney Spears. But we see how Benney Spears
1:06:38
Speaker 1: turned out, We've seen how Aaron Carter turned out, like
1:06:40
Speaker 1: a lot of these child stars, like this's just too
1:06:43
Speaker 1: much for them to handle and they just end up
1:06:45
Speaker 1: like imploding upon themselves. You know.
1:06:49
Speaker 2: Uh, there's another really interesting lead here too, because you
1:06:52
Speaker 2: tell how Max Martin and Max Martin is Swedish. And
1:06:58
Speaker 2: the reason why that's relevant is because before the nineteen nineties,
1:07:03
Speaker 2: during the nineteen seventies and the nineteen eighties, it was
1:07:06
Speaker 2: another like single or I think there was like a
1:07:08
Speaker 2: team of these two Swedish songwriters that wrote pretty much
1:07:12
Speaker 2: all of the top hits. It was oh what the
1:07:16
Speaker 2: hell was his name? Benny Anderson and Bjorn something, and
1:07:20
Speaker 2: they were the ones that did Waterloo Dancing, Queen Mama Mia,
1:07:24
Speaker 2: take a Chance on Me Knowing Me a lot of
1:07:27
Speaker 2: like the abba hits. They would actually write the song,
1:07:31
Speaker 2: knew that it was going to be a hit, and
1:07:33
Speaker 2: would just hire a random group to either sing it
1:07:37
Speaker 2: or to just lip sync it. Because this they already
1:07:40
Speaker 2: knew how it needed to sound in order for it
1:07:42
Speaker 2: to be super successful. And I would still love to
1:07:46
Speaker 2: know what the hell's in the water in Sweden in
1:07:49
Speaker 2: which they're pumping out these songwriters. They are dominating the
1:07:52
Speaker 2: charts worldwide for three or four decades straight.
1:07:56
Speaker 1: Now, well, see what I think it is is that
1:08:00
Speaker 1: it's like what you were talking about with the music, right.
1:08:03
Speaker 1: So what they do is they listen to a lot
1:08:05
Speaker 1: of low level maybe semi like C and D people
1:08:15
Speaker 1: of any industry, right, and then they take whatever it
1:08:20
Speaker 1: is that they are doing, they take it to their producers,
1:08:24
Speaker 1: their people, and then they be like, this is the
1:08:27
Speaker 1: this is the vibe that we're going for, this is
1:08:29
Speaker 1: the art that we're going for, this is what we
1:08:31
Speaker 1: kind of want you to replicate. And then they do
1:08:36
Speaker 1: it and then it's huge and it's like what I've
1:08:40
Speaker 1: talked about like several times with the things that I
1:08:43
Speaker 1: make on my channel, like my short videos, like they're
1:08:47
Speaker 1: really freaking good, and I have had some really successful ones.
1:08:52
Speaker 1: I just had one on Facebook that hit over a
1:08:54
Speaker 1: million views. It's the biggest port video that I've ever done,
1:08:58
Speaker 1: and it was completely out of nowhere. Right, So that
1:09:01
Speaker 1: is really nice, But almost everyone that I've made would
1:09:07
Speaker 1: be huge like that. If it was somebody popular that
1:09:11
Speaker 1: was posting that, there would be unbelievably big, right, it
1:09:18
Speaker 1: would be huge. I mean freaking pulling in millions of
1:09:21
Speaker 1: views with every single short video that they do that
1:09:25
Speaker 1: they would put out if it was you know, my content.
1:09:30
Speaker 1: And I feel like that that is there and that's
1:09:32
Speaker 1: not me but putting myself on a high horse. I
1:09:35
Speaker 1: just know that the guy I put a lot of
1:09:37
Speaker 1: work into it and a lot of effort, you sound
1:09:40
Speaker 1: effects and fucking music and like all kinds of shit
1:09:43
Speaker 1: in it, and uh, it doesn't get the attention that
1:09:47
Speaker 1: it should except that one they got over a million views.
1:09:52
Speaker 1: But I think that that's what's going on, is that
1:09:55
Speaker 1: they'll take they'll see something that they like from someone
1:09:58
Speaker 1: that's really low level. They'll they'll take that to their
1:10:01
Speaker 1: people and be like, hey, duplicate this. I mean it
1:10:04
Speaker 1: kind of off topic, but this is kind of what
1:10:06
Speaker 1: happened with Pokemon and the Pokemon TCG pocket. I play
1:10:11
Speaker 1: Pokemon TCG pocket and they have like their own artists
1:10:14
Speaker 1: that make the art work on the card, right, and
1:10:19
Speaker 1: Pokemon seeing artwork that they wanted one of their artists
1:10:23
Speaker 1: to duplicate. They went to them and they were like, okay,
1:10:28
Speaker 1: make this look like make your art look like this art.
1:10:34
Speaker 1: This is what we want. And then they screwed up,
1:10:37
Speaker 1: and then they put the art that they sent to
1:10:41
Speaker 1: their artists to do as the art that they did,
1:10:45
Speaker 1: but it wasn't. It was some other amateur art, and
1:10:49
Speaker 1: they almost got into a shit tonne of trouble doing
1:10:52
Speaker 1: it because it was somebody else's art. On It's kind
1:10:57
Speaker 1: of confusing and really off topic, but I think that
1:10:59
Speaker 1: that's the way it's done. They'll look at some low
1:11:02
Speaker 1: level people, some people on YouTube whatever, some low level
1:11:06
Speaker 1: music people or whatever, and they hear something that they
1:11:08
Speaker 1: really like, and instead of offering them a contract, instead
1:11:11
Speaker 1: of here, here's a bit ton of money, I would
1:11:16
Speaker 1: like to have your stuff, they just rip those people
1:11:19
Speaker 1: off and then create their own thing that sounds very similar.
1:11:23
Speaker 1: There's been many examples of this with bands over the years.
1:11:27
Speaker 1: You know, other bands you claiming that they've like ripped
1:11:31
Speaker 1: off their songs, like almost word for word too, and
1:11:35
Speaker 1: like the titles of the songs and the titles of
1:11:37
Speaker 1: the albums and like all that. So I believe that
1:11:41
Speaker 1: it's very common, and I'm pretty sure that that's exactly
1:11:44
Speaker 1: how it goes down.
1:11:45
Speaker 2: And this is pre AI, right, this is before you
1:11:50
Speaker 2: had AI to contend with either the company finding some
1:11:55
Speaker 2: low level person and now they could just feed it
1:11:57
Speaker 2: to AI and say make something that sounds like this,
1:12:00
Speaker 2: or for AI to be that low level person and
1:12:03
Speaker 2: just say, churn out a million songs. Run this algorithm
1:12:07
Speaker 2: that tells me the chance that this song is going
1:12:10
Speaker 2: to be a hit song, and then give me the
1:12:12
Speaker 2: ones at all rank over ninety five percent, and then
1:12:15
Speaker 2: let's just try and focus on those ones. And as
1:12:20
Speaker 2: a concrete example, one of the examples I remember from
1:12:23
Speaker 2: that was the the rap group Dos Effects in the
1:12:25
Speaker 2: nineties were really upset because Chris Cross came out, which
1:12:29
Speaker 2: were these two like little kid rappers that kind of
1:12:33
Speaker 2: took the exact same flow and cadence and style as
1:12:37
Speaker 2: Dos Effects did, but they repurposed it and made this
1:12:40
Speaker 2: like kid friendly music that could be you know, sold
1:12:44
Speaker 2: to children, and it got really popular for a small
1:12:48
Speaker 2: amount of time. And I think they tried to sue
1:12:51
Speaker 2: and figure that out, but I mean, it gets it
1:12:53
Speaker 2: gets dicey. It's really hard to copyright or trademark a
1:12:58
Speaker 2: musical style the same way that would be to try
1:13:01
Speaker 2: and copyright sort of an artistic style.
1:13:07
Speaker 1: Yeah, or like a particular word. Particular word is hard
1:13:14
Speaker 1: copyright and secret space program, bro, No one else can
1:13:16
Speaker 1: say a secret space.
1:13:17
Speaker 2: Program copyright a color man. That's one of my favorite
1:13:21
Speaker 2: ones is a company will just be like, we own
1:13:23
Speaker 2: this version of yellow. This is our version of yellow,
1:13:26
Speaker 2: and if you ever use it in a logo, we're
1:13:28
Speaker 2: coming after you. And it's it has happened. There is
1:13:32
Speaker 2: there is a legal precedent of a of a corporation
1:13:35
Speaker 2: owning a specific shade of a certain color.
1:13:40
Speaker 1: That's wid let's get into a whole level of fuckery brown.
1:13:50
Speaker 1: But that's how they screw you.
1:13:51
Speaker 2: Though.
1:13:51
Speaker 1: There is a big companies, the big corporations, I mean,
1:13:58
Speaker 1: and we see it in real time. I mean, like
1:14:00
Speaker 1: everything on like Shark Tank, Bro, you watch Shark Tank
1:14:04
Speaker 1: back in the day, people with all their inventions, and
1:14:07
Speaker 1: I'll buy that for two million dollars right now, let's
1:14:11
Speaker 1: got a deal.
1:14:14
Speaker 2: I don't know how accurate this is, but Mark Cuban
1:14:17
Speaker 2: came out and said that at net he's down, like
1:14:21
Speaker 2: he's actually lost money on a totality of all the
1:14:25
Speaker 2: different deals that he's made on Shark Tank.
1:14:30
Speaker 1: Yeah. But see the thing is is that doesn't really matter.
1:14:34
Speaker 1: That's just like on paper, on paper, he lost money,
1:14:36
Speaker 1: but he really didn't.
1:14:38
Speaker 2: Oh, because he's paid to even be there in the
1:14:40
Speaker 2: first place. Yeah.
1:14:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, they they throw that money around into different accounts
1:14:46
Speaker 1: and then make it to wear the freaking irs owes
1:14:49
Speaker 1: them money.
1:14:50
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no. I mean my favorite example this one
1:14:52
Speaker 2: too is the Demolition Man movie, which by all measures
1:14:56
Speaker 2: did great, but the creative financial accounting made it just
1:15:02
Speaker 2: the perfect black money pit where you could write off
1:15:06
Speaker 2: any sort of profits you were making if you were
1:15:08
Speaker 2: just associated with the Demolition Man movie.
1:15:13
Speaker 1: This is interesting.
1:15:15
Speaker 2: Fluoride in Swedish water, I guess I believe that.
1:15:22
Speaker 1: Probably not. I don't think a lot of other countries
1:15:26
Speaker 1: have as much flora dated water as the United States does.
1:15:32
Speaker 2: Nope, can no, I just I had to look it
1:15:33
Speaker 2: up confirm Sweden does not add fluoride to public drinking water.
1:15:37
Speaker 1: There we go, baby, we did it. We figured it out.
1:15:42
Speaker 2: It takes both, right, Maybe it takes one region to
1:15:46
Speaker 2: not have fluoride and write the music, and then it
1:15:49
Speaker 2: takes the other region to consume fluoride in order to
1:15:53
Speaker 2: like that music, right, like other non fluoride drinkers maybe
1:16:00
Speaker 2: don't hear Dancing Queen the same way that fluoride drinkers do.
1:16:06
Speaker 1: Is I don't know, dude, I don't know. But the
1:16:15
Speaker 1: I think that the DOJ blocked the fluoride thing because
1:16:21
Speaker 1: RFK was trying to get it removed from all drinking
1:16:25
Speaker 1: water in the United States, and the DOJ blocked it.
1:16:30
Speaker 2: I mean. One of the another convenient notes is that
1:16:33
Speaker 2: fluoride happens to be a byproduct of processing petroleum products
1:16:40
Speaker 2: I believe, or some some sort of industrial runoff, and
1:16:46
Speaker 2: not only do they no longer have to worry about
1:16:50
Speaker 2: disposing of it in a safe way, they can make
1:16:53
Speaker 2: money by just selling it to municipalities. So by by
1:16:57
Speaker 2: banning fluoride presents too your issues. One is that that
1:17:02
Speaker 2: revenue stream is now cut off from all these industries
1:17:05
Speaker 2: that were used to making money off of that, and
1:17:07
Speaker 2: they have to figure out how to safely dispose of
1:17:09
Speaker 2: it since they can't just dump it into public water supplies.
1:17:13
Speaker 2: So I could imagine there are a lot of say
1:17:17
Speaker 2: like rusty wheels making you know, squeaking noises, that are
1:17:21
Speaker 2: going to prevent anything from happening overnight.
1:17:26
Speaker 1: Trump's DOJ says the EPA will appeal landmark fluoride ruling
1:17:31
Speaker 1: and decision to appel came from the Solicitor General the DOJ,
1:17:34
Speaker 1: who reports Pam Bondy in the White House pop up.
1:17:37
Speaker 1: In February, federal judge ruled against the EPA conducting the
1:17:41
Speaker 1: water flooridaization at current levels pose an unreasonable risk at
1:17:45
Speaker 1: children's health in ordering the EPA to address the issue.
1:17:49
Speaker 1: So the DOJ is going to wrap this up for
1:17:53
Speaker 1: probably years by appealing it, even if they don't win
1:17:59
Speaker 1: the appeal.
1:18:02
Speaker 2: I really do think the White House needs to release
1:18:04
Speaker 2: the fluoride tapes.
1:18:06
Speaker 1: We need the fluoride list. Give us the fluoride list.
1:18:17
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? Though?
1:18:20
Speaker 2: So I had a I mean, I've been a conspiracy
1:18:23
Speaker 2: theorists since forever, since I was twelve or thirteen, probably
1:18:27
Speaker 2: maybe even before that. I almost think I was conspiracy
1:18:30
Speaker 2: theorists by default, just because I grew up with X
1:18:33
Speaker 2: Files and Nowhere Man and you know, Men in Black.
1:18:37
Speaker 2: It was kind of ingrained in our culture as we
1:18:39
Speaker 2: were growing up. But I distinctly remember watching Doctor Strangelove.
1:18:44
Speaker 2: And they were going off on how fluoride was being
1:18:47
Speaker 2: put into the water supply by these commies. And I
1:18:50
Speaker 2: was on board the first time that I heard that,
1:18:52
Speaker 2: and I think I've always been on board with the
1:18:55
Speaker 2: fluoride theories. And I had a job working at a
1:18:58
Speaker 2: Kinko's in the late nineties early two thousands, so every
1:19:03
Speaker 2: conspiracy theorist in town that had asign or that was
1:19:06
Speaker 2: putting up flyers would come through there. And there was
1:19:10
Speaker 2: this one group that was very anti fluoride that would
1:19:13
Speaker 2: come in once a month and just get these boxes
1:19:16
Speaker 2: and boxes of little fluoriyde pamphlets. And I mean I
1:19:19
Speaker 2: had to sit there and copy thousands of these things.
1:19:22
Speaker 2: So I read it over so many times, and yeah,
1:19:25
Speaker 2: I mean I was convinced. I had a very biased
1:19:28
Speaker 2: introduction to it. But I've always kind of understood fluoride
1:19:33
Speaker 2: is one of these deep seated conspiratorial things that you're
1:19:36
Speaker 2: either on board or not. And I've seen this might
1:19:40
Speaker 2: be a weird analogy, but the one that's closed to
1:19:43
Speaker 2: my mind to fluoride supporters and also id for voting support,
1:19:51
Speaker 2: because they end up falling down the same justification. It's like, Okay,
1:19:55
Speaker 2: maybe it's bad for us in the long run, or
1:19:57
Speaker 2: maybe it's negligible, but it's for the poor. It's for
1:20:00
Speaker 2: all the people that can't afford their own fluorides, so
1:20:04
Speaker 2: they need to have the government issued fluoride and the
1:20:07
Speaker 2: water supply, and that it's not meant to consume, it's
1:20:12
Speaker 2: just meant that as you drink the public water, that
1:20:16
Speaker 2: as the water brushes against your teeth on its weight
1:20:19
Speaker 2: down your throat, that that's giving you enough to protect
1:20:22
Speaker 2: your teeth from cavities. And that if we take that away,
1:20:25
Speaker 2: then ultimately what's going to happen is all the poor
1:20:27
Speaker 2: people and all their poor children are going to have
1:20:30
Speaker 2: rotten teeth because now they're not drinking water out of
1:20:34
Speaker 2: the water supply the same way that you would hear
1:20:38
Speaker 2: a resistance to voter ID. Well, then poor people won't
1:20:41
Speaker 2: be able to get their IDs, and that they have
1:20:44
Speaker 2: no other way of recourse. And I just find both
1:20:47
Speaker 2: of those justifications to be flaky at best, Like neither
1:20:52
Speaker 2: of those are good enough to say. And here's why
1:20:55
Speaker 2: we should kind of hold everyone else back because of
1:20:58
Speaker 2: these particular reasons.
1:21:03
Speaker 1: Yeah, that argument is really ridiculous. Just brush your teeth,
1:21:06
Speaker 1: bro it's pretty simple, like you wake up in the morning,
1:21:10
Speaker 1: brush your teeth. When you're going to sleep, brush and
1:21:13
Speaker 1: if it's.
1:21:14
Speaker 2: That much of a public health risk, the same way
1:21:18
Speaker 2: that the Biden presidency was sending out free COVID testing kits,
1:21:22
Speaker 2: if you just signed up on a website, how hard
1:21:25
Speaker 2: would it be to just sign up on a website
1:21:27
Speaker 2: and now the government will send you freaking fluoridated toothpaste
1:21:31
Speaker 2: every month. It seems like that might actually be even
1:21:36
Speaker 2: better than just straight up dumping it into the water supply,
1:21:40
Speaker 2: other than we've already got maybe a scent like almost
1:21:44
Speaker 2: a century's worth of infrastructure that's based on dumping it
1:21:48
Speaker 2: into the water supply. So to undo that is actually
1:21:51
Speaker 2: an incredible amount of work to reverse course on that.
1:21:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's why it's been held up for probably years,
1:22:00
Speaker 1: years and years. And I think that people have a
1:22:02
Speaker 1: lot more problems than cavities if they can't brush their
1:22:09
Speaker 1: teeth twice a day. When you say so, when you
1:22:13
Speaker 1: say that, they got a lot more problems to worry
1:22:15
Speaker 1: about if they can't brush their teeth.
1:22:18
Speaker 2: I mean halatosis among them. Yeah, I think they got
1:22:24
Speaker 2: the silent killer.
1:22:28
Speaker 1: Way more problems than gingervitis going on with them. Yeah,
1:22:36
Speaker 1: the uh, you know, the reversal on the floridation, the
1:22:41
Speaker 1: no Epstein files.
1:22:43
Speaker 2: Where where you at on the fluoride calcifies the pineal
1:22:47
Speaker 2: gland argument.
1:22:50
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that there's scientific proof that that it does.
1:22:55
Speaker 1: The high amounts of floridation does something to your neural pathways.
1:23:01
Speaker 1: Now I can't quote the actual study or the actual
1:23:05
Speaker 1: scientific data, but I'm pretty sure that it exists. I mean,
1:23:09
Speaker 1: fluoride has been around since at least World War Two,
1:23:14
Speaker 1: that it was being put into the water supply. There
1:23:17
Speaker 1: has to be studies by now, and that's what the
1:23:20
Speaker 1: lawsuit was over, was that there's a sufficient amount of
1:23:25
Speaker 1: studies showing that it screws with your brain and cognitive function. So,
1:23:31
Speaker 1: I mean, I've had my water filtered for five years now,
1:23:39
Speaker 1: five or six years, so I filter all of it.
1:23:41
Speaker 1: It says that it takes out ninety nine percent of
1:23:43
Speaker 1: the fluoride and then I remineralize it. Because that's another
1:23:48
Speaker 1: really important thing that people need to take into consideration
1:23:52
Speaker 1: as well. If you're filtering your water through any kind
1:23:55
Speaker 1: of filtration system, whether that's a reverse osmosis, whether it's
1:23:59
Speaker 1: a picture and I'm not talking about the ones that
1:24:02
Speaker 1: you give from like Walmart or whatever whatever those things
1:24:06
Speaker 1: are called, where it takes out like five percent of aluminum.
1:24:10
Speaker 1: I mean like the really good ones that like take
1:24:12
Speaker 1: out the aluminum, take out the floor ryde, take out
1:24:14
Speaker 1: all that. Right, you got to remineralize your water. If
1:24:19
Speaker 1: you don't remineralize it, then you're just essentially drinking nothing.
1:24:25
Speaker 1: You're like drinking dead water.
1:24:28
Speaker 2: Well, that's why you got to supplement that with mountain
1:24:30
Speaker 2: dew code red in order to get some of those
1:24:32
Speaker 2: minerals that your water is not going to provide you.
1:24:36
Speaker 1: I think Code Red Maui Burst and the new one,
1:24:40
Speaker 1: the flood one. I think that'll.
1:24:44
Speaker 2: Mountain dew mud flood, tartarian tango or something. Bro.
1:24:52
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that me and my friend actually started
1:24:56
Speaker 1: the whole mountain dew thing. We started it as a joke,
1:24:59
Speaker 1: but like we didn't really talk about it. We me
1:25:03
Speaker 1: and Ryan Gable did do a whole show on it
1:25:05
Speaker 1: with the whole Maui thing, and a lot of people
1:25:08
Speaker 1: got mad. But uh, like I don't know, like six
1:25:12
Speaker 1: years ago, me and my friend were We're like, oh,
1:25:16
Speaker 1: they're gonna hit you with that Mountain Dew co red
1:25:19
Speaker 1: like just a random ship. And then all of a
1:25:22
Speaker 1: sudden it becomes like this a real conspiracy that uh
1:25:28
Speaker 1: Mountain Dew is And I think Donuts said that he
1:25:33
Speaker 1: started it, but he didn't.
1:25:35
Speaker 2: Donut did not start it.
1:25:38
Speaker 1: I started a Donut. I promised you. I'm just joking, Bron.
1:25:43
Speaker 1: You can take the Mountain Dew stuff if you if
1:25:46
Speaker 1: you feel like taking it, Bro, But we would we
1:25:48
Speaker 1: would just joke around with each other. We'd be like, yeah,
1:25:50
Speaker 1: we'd just make up random mountain Dew things, is like
1:25:53
Speaker 1: a joke. And then we did it like all the time,
1:25:56
Speaker 1: and I probably did it on a couple of shows,
1:25:58
Speaker 1: and then like it became like a whole thing. And
1:26:01
Speaker 1: then they now have like a Mountain Dew time clock
1:26:04
Speaker 1: and like all this wow.
1:26:07
Speaker 2: I mean, if I was working a Mountain Dew, I
1:26:10
Speaker 2: would have the same PR company that handles the Denver
1:26:13
Speaker 2: International Airport that they just lean into it where now
1:26:18
Speaker 2: you have to buy this new twelve pack if you
1:26:20
Speaker 2: want to survive the alien you know, uprising or put
1:26:24
Speaker 2: like the new Mountain Dew project Blue Beam addition, like
1:26:27
Speaker 2: only by consuming enough of this Blue Beam soda can
1:26:31
Speaker 2: you make yourself safe because it'll probably have methylene blue
1:26:34
Speaker 2: in it, and it'll turn your skin kind of blue,
1:26:36
Speaker 2: so you're protected from the direct energy weapon. I feel
1:26:40
Speaker 2: like they could lean into this more than they are already.
1:26:44
Speaker 1: Bro. They could Mountain Dew alien.
1:26:47
Speaker 2: Invasion with methylene blue added.
1:26:52
Speaker 1: Ah perfect, and then in two years we get Project
1:26:57
Speaker 1: Blue Beam alien invasion and then everyone can make YouTube
1:27:02
Speaker 1: videos about it. They told us, they told us, they
1:27:05
Speaker 1: told us it was coming.
1:27:08
Speaker 2: All I hear is a very smart gorilla marketing campaign.
1:27:11
Speaker 2: If you get the rest of the world talking about
1:27:13
Speaker 2: how Mountain Dew is predicting tragedies, now you can turn
1:27:18
Speaker 2: any tragedy into a free marketing campaign. That seems genius
1:27:21
Speaker 2: to me.
1:27:24
Speaker 1: It does. I wonder who donut was responsible? Donut did it?
1:27:30
Speaker 1: I'll can see it. Do you Donut Doughnut created it? Yeah?
1:27:36
Speaker 1: I mean that seems like the easiest way to for
1:27:39
Speaker 1: like word of mouth stuff, right, it's free marketing.
1:27:42
Speaker 2: Well, we'll know for sure if Mountain Dew comes out
1:27:44
Speaker 2: with like a Donut Shop special edition flavor, it's all.
1:27:49
Speaker 1: Over Mountain Dew Donut blast.
1:27:55
Speaker 2: Don't write it off. Man. That seems like something that
1:27:58
Speaker 2: could happen in this timeline.
1:28:02
Speaker 1: I would love that, then, dont get sponsored by a
1:28:05
Speaker 1: mountain dew.
1:28:10
Speaker 2: I think we honestly, we all should, man, I really
1:28:13
Speaker 2: do believe that conspiracy theories and like this weird occult
1:28:16
Speaker 2: schizo synchronicity that we're into is sort of the new
1:28:21
Speaker 2: version of mythology where most people today seem like they're
1:28:26
Speaker 2: too rational to believe in, you know, a new pantheon,
1:28:30
Speaker 2: or maybe we just don't have enough capacity or time,
1:28:34
Speaker 2: like I'm too busy to worry about developing an entirely
1:28:37
Speaker 2: new pantheon and a new religion. And in my mind,
1:28:40
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories are the closest thing that we have to mythology,
1:28:45
Speaker 2: or it's where you've got these stories that seem so supernatural,
1:28:50
Speaker 2: yet people spread them around as if they were a fact,
1:28:53
Speaker 2: and that can base their entire lives and paranoia and
1:28:57
Speaker 2: hopes and dreams based on straight and spiracy theories, the
1:29:01
Speaker 2: same way that maybe a thousand or two thousand years
1:29:03
Speaker 2: ago people did with their various pantheons of gods. We've
1:29:07
Speaker 2: convinced ourselves that we're too smart for that. We only
1:29:10
Speaker 2: believe in reality, but our versions of reality are often
1:29:15
Speaker 2: so hyperbolized that they're basically at the same level as
1:29:19
Speaker 2: you know, like a Greek pantheon.
1:29:23
Speaker 1: I feel like this is the way that religions were created.
1:29:26
Speaker 1: Did what we're doing right now is how the religious
1:29:31
Speaker 1: books and the religious texts were created. I mean, there's
1:29:35
Speaker 1: so much proof that the Roman Empire just created the
1:29:38
Speaker 1: entire new Tussa men bro just created Jesus based them
1:29:42
Speaker 1: off of just like what we were talking about with
1:29:45
Speaker 1: the music industry, right, it just took something that was
1:29:48
Speaker 1: already pre existing, put their own spin on it, and
1:29:51
Speaker 1: then wrote an entire book and then converted everyone into
1:29:55
Speaker 1: this new religion.
1:29:56
Speaker 2: Yeah. Created might even be a pretty strong word for that.
1:29:59
Speaker 2: Like with the Roman An Empire did with culture, It's
1:30:02
Speaker 2: almost the equivalent of uploading a pdf to chat GPT
1:30:06
Speaker 2: and saying, give me a summary and give me the
1:30:08
Speaker 2: cliff notes of this. That's that's my mind. The Roman
1:30:11
Speaker 2: Empire is like the cliff notes of much wider histories, and.
1:30:16
Speaker 1: The Bible is the greatest hits album of much order
1:30:19
Speaker 1: must prove much earlier religions.
1:30:23
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah. The Bibles essentially is like now that's what
1:30:27
Speaker 2: I call religion volume one, right.
1:30:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh man, Aaron IID this has been a fun
1:30:36
Speaker 1: chob brother. Appreciate you coming on. Can you let people
1:30:40
Speaker 1: know where to find you? Where they can find your Uh?
1:30:43
Speaker 1: The Illuminati. Illuminati comic came out, didn't it?
1:30:46
Speaker 2: It came out. There's so many easy ways to find
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Speaker 2: all this cool stuff. For example, you can go to
1:30:52
Speaker 2: Illuminati coomic dot com. That'll bring you right to the
1:30:55
Speaker 2: page on my website where you can grab yourself a copy.
1:30:58
Speaker 2: We started talking about The Titanic. I'm working on a
1:31:02
Speaker 2: comic of that. You can go to Titaniccomic dot com
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Speaker 2: and sign up for it. We talked about Kubrick Guess what.
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1:31:44
Speaker 1: Did you mention me and your new dubric stuff Brown.
1:31:47
Speaker 2: You're in there, man, because well, the Kubrick Comic's not
1:31:51
Speaker 2: out yet, but it has a exhaustive list of all
1:31:54
Speaker 2: of the Kubrick related documentaries, so you'll definitely get to
1:31:58
Speaker 2: mention that. We'll probably even throw a little ad in
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Speaker 2: the back just to get more people watching your stuff,
1:32:04
Speaker 2: and obviously all of Jay's first two documentaries as well.
1:32:10
Speaker 1: Thank you, bro, you're a real one, dude. Fist bump
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Speaker 1: through the freaking thing, that's what's up. I got your
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Speaker 1: YouTube link in the description, but I'll change it to
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Speaker 1: the website if you would like me to change it
1:32:21
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Speaker 2: early access by about three or four weeks in the future.
1:32:41
Speaker 2: Otherwise me and your episode will be on the Paranoid
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Speaker 2: American podcast next month, I believe.
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