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EP 72: The Magic of Moving Through Uninformed Optimism with Jessie Wilde · Crafted Connections

• 0:04
  Speaker 1: Hey friends, this is Katelyn Calhoun and you are listening to Crafted Connections.
• 0:09
  Speaker 1: On this pod, we have conversations about creativity, business, and the humanness of building your life around the work you love.
• 0:17
  Speaker 1: If you're new here, welcome.
• 0:19
  Speaker 1: We are in the middle of a series on burnout and recovery.
• 0:23
  Speaker 1: Long story short, I closed the business I had spent eight years building.
• 0:27
  Speaker 1: Life fell apart a bit because my identity was deeply tied in said business.
• 0:32
  Speaker 1: And I've been slowly climbing back out.
• 0:34
  Speaker 1: I'm sharing the arc of that journey with solo episodes where I process out loud and conversations with people I trust who have been through hard things too.
• 0:45
  Speaker 1: If you want the full picture, go back to episode 68 and start there.
• 0:48
  Speaker 1: And whether you're brand new or you've been here a while, this series is also going to be the last stretch of the show for a bit.
• 0:56
  Speaker 1: I'll share more about that next week, but today's episode gives you a little peek into what's next for me.
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: Boat life, big plans, and a few other things I have been dreaming about and rebuilding to.
• 1:07
  Speaker 1: On to talk about today's guest, Jessie Wilde.
• 1:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, first off, that name is a winner, but she's a friend of mine, and our overlap in life is a little uncanny.
• 1:21
  Speaker 1: Uh, boat life, documentary work in the natural sciences, and a lot more that we chat about in this episode.
• 1:27
  Speaker 1: When Phil and I decided that we were gonna be doing our boat life adventure, a friend of mine from the film industry introduced us because Jessie had made a film about her experience uh living on a sailboat.
• 1:40
  Speaker 1: And so I'm so glad that happened because she is just a frickin' gem.
• 1:45
  Speaker 1: Jessie and her husband have been living on the water for over 10 years, and they've spent six of those years traveling up and down the East Coast on their sailboat.
• 1:53
  Speaker 1: Next summer, fingers crossed, Phil and I are taking on America's Great Loop.
• 1:58
  Speaker 1: So this conversation feels like a peek into my future.
• 2:03
  Speaker 1: This is also a turn in the series.
• 2:06
  Speaker 1: We've spent the last few weeks in the valley looking into how things fell apart and like what it took for me to climb out.
• 2:13
  Speaker 1: And this one is very optimistic.
• 2:16
  Speaker 1: It's about finding opportunity again, it's about being excited about adventure, it's about moving through challenges uh and being in joy during that process and building a life you actually want.
• 2:29
  Speaker 1: So, on to my conversation with the one and only Jessie Wilde.
• 2:34
  Speaker 1: Let me start with this.
• 2:38
  Speaker 1: What I think is very cool about this episode is people all the time will be like, How's the boat?
• 2:44
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, right now, my boat life experience is we dock in the summers in a marina on the Great Lakes, and then in the wintertime we put it in storage, and then in the summertime we dock.
• 2:58
  Speaker 1: And we have maybe taken our boat out five times, if not less than ten times.
• 3:05
  Speaker 1: Like I don't I have enough fingers to count how many times we've taken our boat out.
• 3:08
  Speaker 1: Whereas you are like five years ahead on your boat life journey.
• 3:14
  Speaker 1: Um, I feel I feel like you were like six years into it when we met.
• 3:19
  Speaker 1: Um, but we can kind of fill in from there.
• 3:22
  Speaker 1: So I think this, I'm excited about this episode to like anytime anybody is like, how's boat life?
• 3:26
  Speaker 1: I'm like, it's not as complicated as you think for me right now.
• 3:31
  Speaker 1: Listen to this episode with my friend Jessie Wilde, who actually is living boat life.
• 3:35
  Speaker 1: You know, like it's like I am living boat life, but it's like I'm a baby Pokemon and you're like the next generation of the boat life experience.
• 3:42
  Speaker: So with that being said, welcome to the podcast, Jessie.
• 3:46
  Speaker: Thank you.
• 3:47
  Speaker: Thank you for having me.
• 3:48
  Speaker: I love talking about boat life.
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: Uh-huh.
• 3:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 3:51
  Speaker 1: And I think uh we've got a few different um intersections like with our Venn diagram of interests.
• 3:57
  Speaker 1: Uh one that I did not realize until like preparing for this episode with you was how much we both love a morning routine and like our quiet time in the morning.
• 4:07
  Speaker 1: I don't think we've ever like really discussed that.
• 4:09
  Speaker 1: So I think it'd be fun to like get grounded right now and talk about what it what does the morning look like for you and and why is it um such a sacred time.
• 4:18
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 4:18
  Speaker: I don't know that we have talked about that before.
• 4:21
  Speaker: Um I a couple years ago I was thrilled when I read it.
• 4:24
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 4:24
  Speaker: A couple years ago I started kind of religiously waking up for the sunrise.
• 4:30
  Speaker: Um, and I I take it really seriously.
• 4:34
  Speaker: Oh, even if I I mean You said without fail in your intake form, which is a strong phrase.
• 4:39
  Speaker: There have been a handful of days I haven't missed it, but not that many.
• 4:44
  Speaker 1: Um but you're also a human.
• 4:46
  Speaker: Yes.
• 4:47
  Speaker: And sometimes I do the night shift on our sailing trips and I don't get to see the sunrise on those trips.
• 4:53
  Speaker: But um, in normal life, I wake up early and I um it depends on where we are.
• 4:59
  Speaker: Um, but I'll go out on the deck with my little West Marine chair and my blanket and my coffee and just kind of sit and watch the water and watch from dark to light.
• 5:09
  Speaker: My favorite is if I can wake up early enough that it's like still really dark out.
• 5:12
  Speaker: Right now it's hard because the sunrise is really early.
• 5:16
  Speaker: So um yeah, I'm getting closer and closer to sunrise this time of year.
• 5:20
  Speaker: But um, yeah, it's that's my moment to really reset and do some meditation and journal and just kind of have that peace and quiet before the day starts.
• 5:29
  Speaker: So you do the sunrise morning routine as well?
• 5:32
  Speaker 1: I do not do the sunrise, but I do pretty consistently journal every morning.
• 5:39
  Speaker 1: And then when we're on the boat, spend time on the back deck with Gonzo, where I, you know, I he loves it, right?
• 5:45
  Speaker 1: Like we are, because Phil's a sleeper inner, uh, which is great because he, you know, talk about night watch, you know, morning, morning um energy.
• 5:54
  Speaker 1: And so Phil and I, or sorry, Gonzo and I will wake up and and I'll make my coffee, I'll take him out, and then we kind of chill and center ourselves.
• 6:02
  Speaker 1: And there's something about sometimes I don't even bring a journal out and I just like watch the water.
• 6:05
  Speaker 1: Uh, and it is just an unreal kind of like way to start your day.
• 6:10
  Speaker 1: Even in a marina, which isn't not, I wouldn't say is like the most nature type place.
• 6:14
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, you can you can be anchored, you know, in the middle of the ocean, you can be anchored um like in a in a cove somewhere on a lake or on a river.
• 6:24
  Speaker 1: Uh but even even in the marina, like just the the texture of the water is pretty, pretty dang cool.
• 6:31
  Speaker: Yes, watching the texture of the water change is endlessly fascinating.
• 6:36
  Speaker 1: It is, because like, yeah, one and even I was on a run the other day, and the the lake was like she was telling us a story.
• 6:43
  Speaker 1: She was yelling and and moving around with the wind, and then not 24 hours later, like just a mirror, you know, still as can be.
• 6:51
  Speaker 1: Uh, and it's just it's really cool.
• 6:53
  Speaker 1: It's really cool to see see that movement.
• 6:55
  Speaker 1: But for people who who have never come across you before, who know nothing about you, let's let's rewind to the start of this this boat life journey.
• 7:04
  Speaker 1: Um, who is Jessie pre-boat life and how did you end up uh purchasing a sailboat?
• 7:11
  Speaker: So pre-boat life, I was living in DC and I met my husband Josh, and we moved down to Hampton, Virginia for his job.
• 7:21
  Speaker: And we kind of left behind a bunch of friends and things to do in the city and everything that we kind of knew from the last chunk of time in our lives.
• 7:29
  Speaker: And we were like, well, what are we gonna do down there?
• 7:31
  Speaker: And we decided we'd get into boating because this area in Hampton, we happen to be here right now, um, is filled with water.
• 7:38
  Speaker: I mean, there's water everywhere.
• 7:39
  Speaker: So we started crewing on people's boats on Wednesday night races and just kind of learning how to sail.
• 7:45
  Speaker: We very quickly bought our first boat, which was a 23-foot boat.
• 7:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 7:49
  Speaker: Um, I don't need to go into the whole crazy story, but it sank on its maiden voyage and we ended up having to fix it.
• 7:56
  Speaker: And so it was a whole different ballgame of boating than we expected it to be.
• 8:00
  Speaker: Um, and we then decided we needed a bigger boat.
• 8:04
  Speaker: Um, we had really lofty goals of sailing the Caribbean within a two-year time frame, which is in retrospect, yeah, was completely unrealistic.
• 8:14
  Speaker: I know you have experienced how long things take and how much things cost, um, and how you know you're trying to fit it into while you're working and everything.
• 8:23
  Speaker: Anyway, so because we talked about it.
• 8:24
  Speaker 1: Well, and to jump in real quick there, I a funny anecdote is we had our boat under contract and we got on the phone with Jessie and Josh, Josh, and we were like, this is our plan.
• 8:36
  Speaker 1: By the end of the summer, we'll be taking off for the loop.
• 8:38
  Speaker 1: And like, you know, and we love Josh because he's gonna tell the truth.
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: And he was like, Hey, voting, it you it's gonna take two times, if not longer, for some for anything, right?
• 8:49
  Speaker 1: And it and that has proven to be true.
• 8:51
  Speaker 1: It is things just they move at their own pace, and uh yeah, and trying to fit this life into what traditional life is is it's it's an interesting, you know, combination, but continues.
• 9:05
  Speaker 1: So things took a little longer than that two-year period, yeah.
• 9:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 9:09
  Speaker: And so in order to, because we were just out of grad school, um, we didn't have a lot of money saved up, and so we kind of we were like, okay, we'll buy a boat that needs a lot of work and then we'll work on it for a year, uh, sail it for a year and then set sail and leave the dock.
• 9:23
  Speaker: Um that didn't happen.
• 9:25
  Speaker: Um, we did buy the boat and we decided to live on it in order to make it more affordable and really just like focus on it versus having a house and a boat at the same time.
• 9:34
  Speaker: Um, and we we basically spent four years living on it at the marina a year before that in the boat yard.
• 9:44
  Speaker: Um and then before we actually finally left and started.
• 9:47
  Speaker: Did you live?
• 9:48
  Speaker: You know, we were doing smaller sailing.
• 9:49
  Speaker: Totally.
• 9:50
  Speaker 1: Did you live in the boat in the boatyard?
• 9:53
  Speaker 1: Like where it was all no, we never did that.
• 9:56
  Speaker 1: Because that doesn't like that technically isn't safe, right?
• 9:59
  Speaker 1: Because like if it's all like propped up with all the different blocks and stuff, you can't really be out here.
• 10:04
  Speaker: Do it here and there, but it's never been my cup of tea.
• 10:07
  Speaker: It's not yeah, not a glamorous life.
• 10:09
  Speaker 1: No, no, no.
• 10:10
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's there's not that much glamour when the boat is fully functioning either, sometimes.
• 10:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 10:17
  Speaker 1: But the dog is like really glamorous by comparison.
• 10:20
  Speaker 1: 100% right, right, right.
• 10:21
  Speaker 1: Because the actual, because yeah, docks have electricity, um, water, water hookups, things like that.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 10:27
  Speaker 1: And we can get into like some of the complications that is like the actual sailing uh to the Caribbean.
• 10:32
  Speaker 1: But um very cool.
• 10:34
  Speaker 1: So, yes, all this context, it took it took four years, which we were cracking up on a call, just a catch-up call the other day, about how you know Phil and I are in our third season of of living on the boat in the summer.
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: And uh yeah, I mean, we're we're kind of in the projections of what you all experienced, you know.
• 10:53
  Speaker 1: But of course, when you first start and you're like, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, but I'm an exception, you know, and you just you get excited and you're like, we got this, it's fine, it'll all work out.
• 11:01
  Speaker 1: Uh and it does work out, it's just maybe not on the timeline you think.
• 11:05
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 11:05
  Speaker: Yes, yes, that's definitely advice that I have heard repeatedly over and over.
• 11:11
  Speaker: It's like you can, and even with sailing or boating in general, you you can have all the timelines you want, but you're very dependent on outside factors like weather.
• 11:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 11:20
  Speaker: Um, and then in this case, like maintenance on the boat.
• 11:23
  Speaker: It has to be ready or it's not safe.
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: Right, 100%.
• 11:26
  Speaker 1: So very cool.
• 11:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, so uh that that that fourth year transitioning into to the adventure.
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: Let's talk about um where you were, when you were about to take off on the adventure.
• 11:40
  Speaker 1: Can you define what the adventure actually was?
• 11:42
  Speaker 1: Uh coming from right, Hampton, Virginia is where you said.
• 11:46
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 11:46
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 11:48
  Speaker: So during COVID, we were working remotely from the boat, which um was an adjustment in and of itself.
• 11:56
  Speaker: Um, but all of a sudden, and we actually had our mast pulled out of the boat during like when all of that started, and we had been intending to work on it and redo all the rigging.
• 12:04
  Speaker: Um, so as soon as the rigging was done and the mast was back in, we were like, why are we still in Hampton?
• 12:10
  Speaker: If we're working remote, we can take this boat places.
• 12:13
  Speaker: Um, so we got permission to kind of like travel around until we knew what was happening with returning to the office, which ultimately never did happen.
• 12:22
  Speaker: Um, so we sailed south to the Florida Keys, uh, which was a really big trip for us.
• 12:27
  Speaker: A lot of offshore passages.
• 12:29
  Speaker: Um, and then we kind of just kept going because we still didn't have to go back.
• 12:34
  Speaker: So we sailed all the way to Maine.
• 12:35
  Speaker: Um, and then back to the side.
• 12:37
  Speaker: We see you went back up in that kind of thing.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 12:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool, cool, cool.
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 12:40
  Speaker 1: So to define a few things, um can you because again, I'm you know, I'm a motor boater.
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: We have two two large engines that I cannot give you the specs on, but they take gasoline.
• 12:55
  Speaker 1: That's where she's at.
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: Um, but give me a little bit more of like the layman's explanation, kind of under explain to us why you had to take the mast out.
• 13:06
  Speaker 1: And maybe for those who have no idea what a mast is, what is a mast kind of thing, and what what the rigging is and what that all like, maybe a little bit more of like some of that layman's explanation of those.
• 13:18
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 13:19
  Speaker: So the mast is a big metal rod that sticks out of the middle of our boat and holds up our sail.
• 13:23
  Speaker: Um, yeah.
• 13:24
  Speaker: The thing that's about 61 feet tall, so we can go under 65-foot bridges still.
• 13:30
  Speaker: Um, and it holds all the rigging is like all the wires that come out of the mast and and attach to the deck in various places, and that's what holds everything.
• 13:38
  Speaker: Um, all of the it takes all the force when you have a sail up because it's really big.
• 13:42
  Speaker: I mean, a sail is huge.
• 13:43
  Speaker: We have two sails up usually, and then we have a third sail option.
• 13:47
  Speaker: So the rigging, so in other words, Josh took all of the rigging apart and and inspected everything just to make sure it was all safe.
• 13:55
  Speaker: Because if you have a failure there, it can be really bad.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: Totally, totally.
• 13:58
  Speaker 1: Right, because something it needs to all stay attached and all be so that you can actually control your boat.
• 14:05
  Speaker: Yeah, and nothing, and everything corrodes out here, right?
• 14:08
  Speaker: You know this.
• 14:09
  Speaker: Yes.
• 14:09
  Speaker: Because you're in front water still.
• 14:11
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: No, no, out here being in the in sea, uh in in salt water, right?
• 14:17
  Speaker 1: And that's something that we have fortunately not had to deal with yet.
• 14:20
  Speaker 1: And even then, right?
• 14:21
  Speaker 1: Like we've we've got our um on our uh swim deck, we have like the ladder.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: It's like we need to pick it up because it's been in the water for a second, because we like, you know, get distracted and this, that, and the other.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: But um, okay, yeah, not to make this all about the tech, but just to kind of explain to people, like these are like details that like, you know, I'm out here not really like I was watching a reel on Instagram the other day, and and she was talking about how like, you know, you like have that uninformed optimism when you first start something new, right?
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: And that's I think we both our boating journey started that way, right?
• 14:57
  Speaker 1: And then, but then it's cool, it's really cool.
• 15:01
  Speaker 1: Um the endurance and tenacity it takes to just keep keep out of thing.
• 15:05
  Speaker 1: Even I mean, even the years that you all are into it, right?
• 15:09
  Speaker 1: At this point, there are still times where you're like, oh, this is a exhausting effort when you when you do something so many times in a row, there's still the exhaustion in involved in it.
• 15:19
  Speaker 1: But then there's also, you know, the gifts of of being out um in the morning and watching sunrise every day in a way that like nobody else really can can tap into if they don't have that experience.
• 15:30
  Speaker: Yeah, yes.
• 15:31
  Speaker: You're saying this at a time when we have been experiencing the exhaustion.
• 15:35
  Speaker: Um, but we like to say with our boat friends, like the highs are high, higher and the lows are lower.
• 15:42
  unknown: Yeah.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: Like you're I mean, same thing with entrepreneurial endeavors.
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: Or creative acts, right?
• 15:48
  Speaker 1: You know, we both have that storytelling.
• 15:49
  Speaker 1: I feel in the editing, you know, editing, I've always like uh likened it to like my endurance running and now, you know, my my experience trying to like keep boat life going and and facing challenges and this, that, and the other.
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: And and and I would say too, just with video production projects or long-term, you know, you've got some writing as well.
• 16:09
  Speaker 1: So there's there's so many things we can go down and and journey.
• 16:13
  Speaker 1: But talk to me more about you know the highs being higher and the lows being lower and your experience with that.
• 16:19
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 16:19
  Speaker: So we um some of the things we've experienced on the boat, a lot of them are regarding maintenance and a lot of them are regarding like something that happened on a passage, are just can be so bad.
• 16:30
  Speaker: Like you just you feel horrible or you have something that's like really, really physically challenging happening.
• 16:38
  Speaker: And then you go to bed and you're like, I would rather be here than nowhere else.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 16:43
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 16:44
  Speaker: You're like, you're like, I love it.
• 16:45
  Speaker: This is my home, and I love to feel it.
• 16:47
  Speaker: The water moving and seeing the sunrise and the the water all day, and the things that you see in the ocean are amazing.
• 16:55
  Speaker: I mean, we all see dolphins and sea turtles, and and then you have these like really intense experiences also.
• 17:02
  Speaker: So I think, and then even just daily life is challenging.
• 17:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 17:07
  Speaker: Um, and I think you experience a little bit of this at the marina too.
• 17:11
  Speaker: I mean, just like carting your groceries is not the same as it as you would have in a house, and like we put all our groceries in a dinghy usually, and like doing laundry and making sure you're conserving enough water, and we make water with a water maker, and we have our power with solar panels, and all those things make the daily life more challenging, but they're also kind of rewarding in their own way because you can you have an understanding of your own environment, it just feels more organic, yeah, and it feels more like you're creating the space around you.
• 17:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: And and like connected to the space around you, right?
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Because you can easily I was talking to uh a former guest about this as well, where she just really loves to be outside as much as possible, loves taking uh the phrase the c she loves to take a coffee by the sea.
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: I think it's the cutest thing.
• 18:04
  Speaker 1: Yes, that phrase.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: And um, because it is, it's it's an experience you feel right away, it's also a precious phrase, you know.
• 18:11
  Speaker 1: Um we were kind of giggling about the um we create like our own, like, you know, uh uh air conditioned prisons like by you know building these these infrastructures that like we don't really touch touch grasses, I think what the children say these days, which I always misinterpret things.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: So but I think it's about getting outside and just like touching base and getting grounded, which is you know a big part of our conversation today.
• 18:44
  Speaker: Yeah, I I always so we for a while we were um staying for the summers in a condo that we used to own in Florida.
• 18:51
  Speaker: And we, as soon as we got into the condo, we were like, oh my gosh, it's so nice.
• 18:54
  Speaker: We have this huge fridge, we have so much water.
• 18:56
  Speaker: I know and then after a while, I was like, I'm so enclosed.
• 18:59
  Speaker: Like I feel a bit enclosed in inside without the windows open and the air conditioning's running and all that.
• 19:05
  Speaker: It's like yeah, I like being connected with nature more.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Well, and even like to go to the fridge thing, like it's something about having a little fridge, you have to know like what you're eating.
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: You have to make sure everything's keep it fresh.
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: Like, you know, like you're yes, maybe you're taking maybe there's more trips, or maybe you have to come up with a like a refrigeration solution.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: Um but I don't know.
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: You're just kind of more connected and more grounded with your daily experience, right?
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Like we have, and we might be upgrading soon because Phil's drinking coffee again, but we have this like little five cup coffee maker that has just like 25 bucks and it's just like my I'm not, you know, I'm just drinking a healthy amount of coffee because I because I wanted to conserve space um within within our boat space, and um and it just works.
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: It just works.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: I even just I just urged um to put some some mugs that I love in storage, but being like, I just I only really need like one mug.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Like otherwise we've got dirty dishes and like the sink's not that big, right?
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: So it's like it just kind of keeps you present and in motion, and that's that's lovely.
• 20:13
  Speaker: Yeah, you have to minimize everything.
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: You do, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: Um, okay, so before we because I could go down the minim minimizing rabbit hole, which is one of my favorite convos, but I'd rather I want to make sure I don't lose you got you know the mast and the rigs, we're all good to go.
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: And you're like, okay, what why don't we, you know, work during the day and travel?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: Um, you know, on the weekends or the evenings or the you know our PTO days or what have you?
• 20:40
  Speaker 1: You ended up going down to the the keys and then you're like, cool, let's go back up to Maine.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Uh and so like all this adventurous wonder.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Um let's talk talk to me about that experience, right?
• 20:50
  Speaker 1: You're you're seeing dolphins, you're seeing um beautiful turtles.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: What what else is that like?
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: What is the um what is the experience and like kind of what's your travel schedule for that?
• 21:03
  Speaker: Yeah, so we were traveling um mostly on weekends, and so we would do, we kind of figured out all of the best 48-hour hops on the coast.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 21:12
  Speaker: So we'd leave Friday night, do two overnights, and get in Sunday at some point, and then go to bed exhausted.
• 21:21
  Speaker: And well, actually, our routine is go into town and have a beer and talk about all the things that happened on the trip first.
• 21:27
  Speaker: Decompress over a beer.
• 21:29
  Speaker: I love it.
• 21:30
  Speaker: Decompress.
• 21:31
  Speaker: When we're out doing passages, we often like aren't really talking very much to each other.
• 21:35
  Speaker: We're kind of just like taking turns driving and sleeping.
• 21:38
  Speaker: So we have our own unique experiences that we like to share at the end and be like, remember when the happened and um, you know, I saw this cargo ship in the night and all these things.
• 21:47
  Speaker: Um so we do a little recap and then we work all week and then do it again.
• 21:54
  Speaker: Um, so it was really exciting.
• 21:56
  Speaker: It was so new, um, but some of it was like a Surprise.
• 22:00
  Speaker: Um, the ocean is different from the Chesapeake Bay, and we knew that on some level, but we had didn't really like understand that.
• 22:08
  Speaker: And so we had, yeah.
• 22:11
  Speaker: And so we had like a pretty rough first passage um down around the outer banks.
• 22:17
  Speaker: And so I think I was telling you about it recently.
• 22:19
  Speaker: And we broke a bunch of stuff and the waves were crazy.
• 22:22
  Speaker: And we we thought, you know, we're starting this new thing, we're gonna be adventuring.
• 22:26
  Speaker: And then we our first trip, we were like, do we even like this?
• 22:30
  Speaker 1: Is this so this is the first like voyage post from Hampton, Virginia?
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: We're heading down to the Keys.
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 22:37
  Speaker 1: And so you're like heading towards Outer Bank.
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: Okay, got it, got it, got it, got it.
• 22:40
  Speaker: Yeah, so we went on the outside and we thought we would go all the way to West Palm Beach in that passage, and we like rerouted into North Carolina and just kind of fixed the boat for a couple weeks, um, and then kept going after that.
• 22:52
  Speaker: So I think it was it was all very we were learning so much um about ourselves, about the boat, about how to sail.
• 23:01
  Speaker: Um, and then we had really amazing times along the way too.
• 23:05
  Speaker: I'm like arriving in a city by boat.
• 23:07
  Speaker: I'm so excited for you to experience this.
• 23:09
  Speaker: I honestly can't wait.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, continue.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: I've yeah, I've got I've got a download to tell yeah, no, and it's so that's something Phil and I had we had a discussion about this a few weeks ago because it is hard.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: And I I will, you know, as much or as little as you're willing to share in relation to like building a life with a partner in a small space on a boat, that's an experience, right?
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: Because people just do their thing by themselves, you know, um, and that's that's also an experience, right?
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: Um but we had a discussion a few weeks ago about because there's always I I I wonder too, like if between Phil and I, there's always like a question of like, is one of us gonna be like, can we just live on land again?
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: And honestly, if anyone's gonna break, it's gonna be me.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: But uh because he's not to get all astrological about it, but he's a Scorpio, like he's meant to be by water, like it's it's like he's a different man by water versus um, you know, uh on land.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: Anyways, I'll just say we had a discussion about a few weeks ago, and and when we actually look at it, you know, we signed up for this to be on the move, to experience, you know, approaching cities and and locations by water um via, you know, waterways.
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: And really, thus far, our experience has been being docked in one location um and living marina life, which is different than moving, like having your boat on the move.
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: Because marina life is very um almost like this is what this is a a condo or an RV park where we hang on the weekends and we drink.
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: That's like that, you know, people will get boats and and if they plan on having it in one location, which is hey, what a fun recreational activity to have like a boat that you take out on the lake and you, you know, you hang out with your marina friends, and and that's been a cool experience.
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: And also when I was envisioning this, I was I was like, I'm signing up for this.
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: Like I'm signing up for on the move.
• 25:10
  Speaker 1: It's different seeing things.
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a different thing.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: It's so different.
• 25:14
  Speaker 1: Um and both are okay, but I, you know, I if you showed me both, I'd be like, no, I don't want that one.
• 25:20
  Speaker 1: I I want them on the move.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I want to meet new people, I want to try new restaurants, I want to like have a decompressing drink on a Sunday night after like we were doing it.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: I I also think it's interesting too with sailing is different than motoring, because like we're gonna only probably be like, Phil's gonna be operating it, right?
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: Like it's not gonna be like someone's watching and we're on the move.
• 25:39
  Speaker 1: Although you guys don't really sail at night, but that's or you do, but we'll talk about that in a minute.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: We do, yeah.
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: Yes, you do.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: So when you're doing it, you like one of you is doing the night shift, one of you's doing the day, or vice versa, and you're covering different shifts.
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Um freaking fascinating, right?
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: And it's like we could you know we could have a whole separate podcast episode about the difference between a sailboat and a motorboat and and the different cultures in association with that and this that and the other.
• 26:05
  Speaker 1: But all to say, Phil and I had this whole discussion and it it like to openly like talk about like maybe, yeah, this isn't exactly what we signed up for, and then me over the next couple weeks recognizing I can't give this boat life up until we at least start moving, right?
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: Until we at least honestly, until we do the loop, I don't think I will want to move off of the boat.
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: But I might not have been aware of that.
• 26:38
  Speaker 1: I definitely was not saying that out loud.
• 26:40
  Speaker 1: Um, and that that's a whole experience, right?
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: So it's like thoughts on everything I just dumped on you.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: You're my you're my boat.
• 26:49
  unknown: Yeah.
• 26:51
  Speaker: I know exactly what you're saying because it's like you have this goal and you're not doing it yet, but you're working towards it.
• 26:57
  Speaker: And the longer you're sitting there at the dock, you're like, this isn't what we signed up for, but you can't give up yet because you haven't done the goal yet.
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 27:04
  Speaker: And like we were completely in that same boat.
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Um I know that also as soon as you like as soon as you transition into boat life, like within the first you just like the metaphors, you're like, oh my gosh, the number of failure voting metaphors that exist in writing and speech is it's they're there.
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: But yes, so yes, we you you've experienced this as well.
• 27:27
  Speaker: Um and uh we gave ourselves an out.
• 27:30
  Speaker: Um, so we I think when we decided to move on to the boat, we said we have two years, and after two years, if we hate it, we can like nobody's to blame.
• 27:39
  Speaker: Anyone is allowed to, either of us are allowed to say, I'm done.
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 27:44
  Speaker: And like no hard feelings.
• 27:46
  Speaker: Um and that would have made the like finances make sense if we just like bought it and sold it right away.
• 27:51
  Speaker: It wouldn't have made sense.
• 27:52
  Speaker: Right.
• 27:53
  Speaker: Um, so we after two years, we said, yes, we still love this.
• 27:58
  Speaker: We loved living on the boat even at the marina at that time.
• 28:01
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 28:01
  Speaker: Still early on.
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 28:03
  Speaker: Um, and then after that, uh, we never gave ourselves another out um defined, but we have talked about it several times over the years.
• 28:13
  Speaker: Um, now being one of them, like what's next in our lives, and we're like, how much do we incorporate the boat or not?
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: Um yeah.
• 28:22
  Speaker: Because it's it can be limiting too.
• 28:24
  Speaker: You feel like it's all freedom, but we can't just leave it somewhere on anchor.
• 28:30
  Speaker: We can't, you know, if we want to put it in the marina, then we have to coordinate that, pay for it to travel somewhere else and make sure that it's safe.
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
• 28:38
  Speaker: So yeah, it's so we haven't done so many land adventures since moving around on the boat.
• 28:45
  unknown: Yeah.
• 28:45
  Speaker: And that's kind of like we travel five nautical miles an hour.
• 28:49
  Speaker: So we don't go very fast.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: 100%.
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: Well, yeah, to go to that, right?
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: It's like maybe if you wanted to like take a vacation to a state park, you know.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: Um, I think I told you that that Phil and I um, you know, we are we're getting married in February, and um we kind of we talked about okay, honeymoon-wise, right?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: It's like it doesn't really make sense to like go to a beach, especially if we're about to like do the and he he actually ended up suggesting he's like, what if we go out like west to like a national park or something, potentially, right?
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: So like brainstorming-wise, it's like, what do we not see?
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: You know, what do we what do we not live in?
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: Um, and it is, it's like, and variety is a spice of life, right?
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: And and uh boating definitely gives you an alternative lifestyle, but it there with creative work, with entrepreneurship, with uh boat life, like people don't understand how it can be so boring at times.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: Like it just sometimes it is day in, day out, you know, you the the practice you all have to do to like become better and better at sailing, it's it's reps, right?
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: Um, so I maybe speak to that.
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: Like it, you know, whether or not people care.
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: I like talking about that.
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: Like I like reminding myself that like, no, actually getting good at something or experiencing something, sometimes they're gonna be boring parts, even if it's an exciting lifestyle.
• 30:08
  Speaker: Yeah, and especially like in the winter on the boat, um that got pretty tedious.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 30:15
  Speaker: Where you just like, and we were commuting to work every day.
• 30:18
  Speaker: So we were walking up the dock in our full winter gear and just like going to work every day.
• 30:24
  Speaker: And I know and we I mean the boat work too.
• 30:27
  Speaker: I mean, Josh gets really overwhelmed by that.
• 30:29
  Speaker: I helped with boat work too, but he's much more engineering minded and ends up taking the majority of the projects.
• 30:36
  Speaker: Um, and so he gets very like overburdened by that.
• 30:40
  Speaker: Um and that can get just yeah, so you find that like you're living on this boat, but you're also just like working on it in the evenings and on the weekends.
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a I imagine it's similar to like when you live live in the house you're renovating as well.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: Yes.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: It's a whole other experience.
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's it's not like every But it's always going bad.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like it always requires maintenance.
• 31:08
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• 32:38
  Speaker 1: Okay, okay, okay, so much.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, so you you get to the point where you're wow, we we've made it to the outer banks.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Um, and you decide you need to go kind of a different route than you originally planned.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: There's things that need fixed up.
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: So it's like, right, it's like, how far are you into you're like into your first 48-hour stint when when you're like, cool, we need to like rework the plan.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: Um yeah.
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: That is so boating though.
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: Like it's like it's like yes, it is.
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: You're like, and we're starting and we're stopping.
• 33:11
  Speaker 1: Like, yep.
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: Before you done say we're starting, we are stopping again.
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: That's been that's been really tricky with like sharing it so publicly.
• 33:21
  Speaker 1: And like honestly, I haven't really done too much of that over the years because over the last like 24 months, because it is like nothing's actually going on.
• 33:29
  Speaker 1: Um, people want to know, they're curious, and maybe I'll just like repeat myself over and over, and I can just keep sharing and everyone will be fine.
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Um, but uh cool.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: So then you you're like, okay, and we're stopping, you do a little bit of work.
• 33:41
  Speaker 1: What does it look like when you're you're back at it?
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, we're back on our way.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: You you decide to take a different route down to the keys.
• 33:48
  Speaker: So we we went back out in the ocean um and ended up stopping, I think, in Fernandina Beach and then West Palm and then the Keys.
• 33:57
  Speaker: So we stopped in places along the way and kind of spent a little time in some of them more than others.
• 34:03
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 34:03
  Speaker: Yeah, that's very cool.
• 34:04
  Speaker: Once we got to West Palm, it was like, okay, we could we're far enough south that we don't need heat anymore.
• 34:09
  Speaker: That was kind of the the parameter.
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: Got it, got it.
• 34:13
  Speaker: But we yeah, but we wanted to make it to the Keys because it's just such a unique place too.
• 34:18
  Speaker: And we ended up spending a few months there.
• 34:20
  Speaker 1: Very cool, very cool.
• 34:22
  Speaker 1: What's kind of the decision-making process as you're pivoting and shifting?
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: Like, how do you approach when you're like, oh, the plan that we have in mind right now needs to be adjusted?
• 34:34
  Speaker 1: How do how do you how do you approach that?
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: And feel free to share like as as a team or just in general.
• 34:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 34:42
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 34:42
  Speaker: I so I grew up in a military family, and I feel like that was just instilled in me to like adjust when things don't go to plan.
• 34:51
  Speaker: And my mom is also really good at that.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 34:53
  Speaker: So for me, I'm like, oh, this isn't happening right.
• 34:56
  Speaker: What what's our next scenario?
• 34:57
  Speaker: What's our backup?
• 34:58
  Speaker: I think it takes Josh another second to to get to that point.
• 35:02
  Speaker: And then because he wants to fix the problem, fix like whatever it is.
• 35:05
  Speaker: Like, say it's an engine issue, like, let's focus on fixing it.
• 35:08
  Speaker: One example is like we were actually our first trip sailing to the Bahamas.
• 35:12
  Speaker: It was beautiful.
• 35:13
  Speaker: Josh had fallen asleep in the cockpit, sunset happened, and then we slowed down, the wind died, and so I went to turn the motor on and it didn't turn on.
• 35:22
  Speaker: And then I was like, Oh, great.
• 35:24
  Speaker: Uh it's not good.
• 35:25
  Speaker: And so, and it makes this horrible like beep sound when it doesn't turn over.
• 35:29
  Speaker: So Josh wakes up immediately and then he starts, he pulls the whole starter apart and it's on his lap.
• 35:35
  Speaker: And I'm sitting there saying, Do we turn around?
• 35:37
  Speaker: Do we go here?
• 35:38
  Speaker: Do we like?
• 35:39
  Speaker: And I'm making all the backup scenarios for like everything that happens if we don't have an engine.
• 35:43
  Speaker: Because how do you get into the anchorage?
• 35:45
  Speaker: How do you get into you know check-in, all the things?
• 35:47
  Speaker: And he's like, Don't talk to me, I'm fixing the problem.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: Like, and that's two, yeah, because you're two different humans that like grew up in different backgrounds, like with you know, different, yeah, different families who approach problems different ways.
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: You approach, yeah, yep.
• 36:02
  Speaker: Yeah, and I think both are valuable.
• 36:04
  Speaker: And now we've learned, like, I sit there and I'm like, okay, I need to give him space so he can focus on that.
• 36:08
  Speaker: But in your head, you're like, I'm ready when you need the Rolodex of solutions.
• 36:12
  Speaker: Yes, I'm ready for the next one when that doesn't work.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: Just in case, you know, and I yeah, I love that.
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: I love that.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: And it's like, yeah, it's a lot of like learning.
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: Um, yeah, because it's such a team, such a team lifestyle, a team effort.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: I mean, life in general is I think we, you know, if you live a little bit more traditionally, you can kind of numb yourself and fall into like just patterns versus like being like, no, you you have a lot of problems arise with boating or sailing, and then you just have to be like, cool, facing it, facing it, facing it, and you like learn um not only but you know, sailing, but then also how to how to work as a team better every single time.
• 36:50
  Speaker: Yeah, you're put to the test and more intense, I think, than the average life.
• 36:54
  Speaker: Totally.
• 36:55
  Speaker 1: Like you just do.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's some like there's like, yeah, like life safety like things that you have to take care of.
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: I think I've told you, but I love uh sharing this.
• 37:04
  Speaker 1: Like, Phil and I took a boating safety course uh over the winter, and it literally just felt like two days of like, here's all the ways your boat's gonna kill you.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: And I was like, you know, wow.
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: And they did, like they did, they were offering like this is how you make sure that doesn't happen, right?
• 37:18
  Speaker 1: But it's like to just sit there and like in classroom style, which I have not done since like, you know, college.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just like, oh, okay.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Uh versus like, you know, media law or or storytelling theory.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: Um disaster scenarios.
• 37:36
  Speaker 1: Yeah, disaster scenarios that you l choose to live in right now, Katelyn.
• 37:40
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 37:40
  Speaker: Well, don't make the mistake we made of reading all of the disaster at sea stories before we got into voting.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 37:47
  Speaker: I I won't read any anymore.
• 37:50
  Speaker: Um because it's too your imagination's already good enough.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: Right, right.
• 37:54
  Speaker 1: No, and it's like I think just and knowing, knowing like, and we'll we'll definitely like we want to take like a triage course as well, like things like that, you know.
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: We want to take like some of those safety courses as well before we take off.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Um and also, yeah, no need to like fill your head with stories, right?
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: Like this podcast has a lot of like storytelling undercurrents, if you will.
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: And um uh storytelling is very, very powerful and it could it can be used for for not a positive um outcome as well.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: So yeah.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: Nice, nice.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 38:28
  Speaker 1: So so you made it down to the keys, and I I do want to get to like talking about like you documenting and writing about this experience, but I want to make sure we finish up the kind of like let's do the summarizing from and I want to include like when you all like had your your condo in Florida for a little bit, but um, so from that first visit to the keys until now, can you give me like chunks of like then this happened, then this happened, then this just so we can kind of like see the overview.
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: And then before I how many years since you took off from Hampton, Virginia?
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Five years five years, six years.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: 2020.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: 2020.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so six years.
• 39:16
  Speaker 1: Holy goodness, here we are.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: So six years ago you took off after four years of whoo, look at you, a decade of this.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I know, I know.
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: This is so fun.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: Um, okay, so four years of like fixing up, learning sailing on a on a much more deeper level, making sure that everything was safe and good.
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: You take off, you end up in the keys.
• 39:40
  Speaker 1: Um, and so this is yeah, this is like five and a half, six years ago where you're in the keys.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: What did the the last five and a half to six years look like for you up until this point?
• 39:49
  Speaker: Yeah, so we could not leave the country with our jobs.
• 39:52
  Speaker: We worked for the government, and so that's why we had our an itinerary that stayed within the US.
• 39:57
  Speaker: Um, so we did the keys and then we decided let's do Maine.
• 40:00
  Speaker: And so we did 48-hour hops on the weekends all the way up to Maine, which is a really long trip.
• 40:06
  Speaker: Um, we stopped in just like a recap like West Palm Beach, Jacksonville, Charleston, South Carolina, Riceville Beach, North Carolina, Hampton.
• 40:16
  Speaker: Um, and then I think going north probably Atlantic City, I want to say.
• 40:21
  Speaker: Um, and then ended up in Newport, Bristol, Rhode Island, and then Massachusetts.
• 40:29
  Speaker: We stayed in for a little bit, in Gloucester, and then we went up to Maine and stayed mostly around Portland, Camden area.
• 40:37
  Speaker: Uh, we realized we couldn't really go too far out of the self area because we used cell phone um hotspot for our internet.
• 40:46
  Speaker: Yeah, and so we couldn't go to all the little remote islands, but um, and then we worked our way back down um as soon as it started getting cold, and we got to we ended up getting all the way down to West Palm um and we decided to spend the winter uh there.
• 41:02
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 41:02
  Speaker: And then we kind of got sucked into West Palm.
• 41:05
  Speaker: We became part of a sailing club and a whole community of people, and it's a really beautiful place with um schooling and the water's really blue and clear, and the Gulf Stream comes in.
• 41:15
  Speaker: It's really a nice climate.
• 41:17
  Speaker: Um, and we ended up uh just kind of staying there for a while, and we ended up buying a land condo for a couple of years and spending the summers there, hauling the boat out for hurricane season up in North Florida.
• 41:30
  Speaker: Um, and then we did spend a summer in Colorado and there too.
• 41:34
  Speaker: So kind of just avoiding the summers because if if you don't have air conditioning and to avoid hurricanes, unless you want to sail like really far north, we decided it was just that was too much to take on when we were working.
• 41:46
  Speaker: So right.
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: And then that goes back to like what we were just talking about in regards to like being able to like travel not like in landlocked areas, right?
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: And actually check some stuff out and do some stuff in that regard.
• 41:58
  Speaker: Yeah, cool.
• 41:58
  Speaker: And West Palm is so close to the Bahamas that every year we were able to go over to the Bahamas as well on vacation.
• 42:05
  Speaker: So it's really not a far trip.
• 42:06
  Speaker: And so we were able to kind of do that.
• 42:09
  Speaker: So we haven't made it to the Caribbean yet.
• 42:11
  Speaker: That was our original goal.
• 42:12
  Speaker: Um, but we did cover a lot of ground and the volume is I think similar.
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: Very cool.
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Okay, and then so when you decided to gosh, was it the last year you sell sold the condo?
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: Uh yes.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: And then so now you're back on the boat full time and you guys are traveling up north, and then you're in the Hamptons.
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: Not the Hamptons, Hampton, Virginia again.
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: We're it's like every time I think I'm trying to call back Hampton, Virginia.
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: Like you want to say the Hamptons, and I'm like, you watch too much TV, Katelyn.
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: Hampton, Virginia.
• 42:51
  Speaker: It's like a little bit of a cute, smaller town.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: I was I'm curious.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: That first time back to Hampton on your way up, was that like so fun to reconnect with people that you're like, you've been friends for years, right?
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: And you're like, we're back, because people were, you know, and what was that like to like kind of go back to a place that you left from on water?
• 43:14
  Speaker: Yeah, no, it was it was fun, and and our friends came to meet us this like when we first came back through, um, and we got to re you know, reconnect with people.
• 43:22
  Speaker: Um, that one didn't feel as weird because we had it had only been a year since we'd been there.
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: Where it's also those pandemic times.
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: It was weird, yeah.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: For that reason.
• 43:33
  Speaker 1: Because like nobody was actually seeing each other that year anyway.
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: So you getting back from a boating trip, nobody was like, I missed you and our coffee dates.
• 43:40
  Speaker: I know.
• 43:41
  Speaker: It wasn't a normal life then, anyway.
• 43:43
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 43:44
  Speaker: This time felt really weird because we hadn't been back then with the boat in five years.
• 43:49
  Speaker: And then we coincidentally ended up in our exact same slip that we first moved into on like not even just the same marina, the Zach slip.
• 43:59
  Speaker: So we're in this slip where it's like, this is where we worked on the boat.
• 44:03
  Speaker: This is where we we desperately were trying to leave it.
• 44:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 44:07
  Speaker: And so it's a little bit of weird feelings.
• 44:09
  Speaker: It's like, oh, I don't want to be trapped again and not have the boat ready.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: Um just like broke up from a dream.
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: Like yeah, you know, having like a like a uh what's it called when like you're like the wires are like freaking out.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: Like, yeah, because your brain's like, Yeah.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're almost like being a little bit triggered by that slip because of like how long you tried so hard to get out of it.
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: But like honestly, when it comes down to it, you all are in a place.
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: If you wanted to like leave tomorrow, you could, right?
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: But there's something about like, hey, we want to be in a slip right now.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: Um this is something I wanna touch on.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Uh, that I was I experienced for the first time.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Like, we are a month back onto the boat, but this year, this again, third season, but this is our first season not in the original marina that we that we bought the boat in.
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: Uh, long story short, the old marina was sold, so we had to relocate marinas this year.
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: And it has been so weird to be in the same physical like home space, but then like have to like brain the navigation geography of this town that we like, we're in the same town basically, but different arena, so we're in a different part, like like if you lived in a van, or like or or if like you know you moved your your trailer to a different like area kind of thing.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: It's like it's super and you've experienced that time and time again.
• 45:37
  Speaker: Uh and you will too.
• 45:39
  Speaker: Um but the when you're it's like your home space is there, but your home space outside is different every time.
• 45:46
  Speaker: Yeah, it's very strange.
• 45:47
  Speaker: It's it's a really weird feeling.
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: It is, and I it's like um, I imagine this is off topic, but a little bit on topic.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: I I've heard that like in California they relocate bees for like almond milk production or whatever, and that it's actually like super disorienting to the bees.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: And I imagine it's kind of like that, like where it's just like my animal instincts are like, yeah, okay, this is recognizable, but what?
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 46:13
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 46:14
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 46:15
  Speaker: And like down below, you can't really tell where you are necessarily.
• 46:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 46:19
  Speaker: You know, and then you go outside and you're like, oh, I'm in a different spot.
• 46:22
  Speaker: Or what's even weirder too is going back to a marina where you usually have the boat and your boat's not there.
• 46:28
  Speaker: And you're like, what am I doing at this marina?
• 46:30
  Speaker: And if like this is not a good thing.
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: Right, but the ours is closed, so I don't know that experience yet.
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: But that I could imagine, you're like, Where's my house?
• 46:37
  Speaker 1: Um, yeah.
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: This is such a silly thing.
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: I do that where like if I can't find my par my car in the parking lot or like or something, like I'm like, oh my gosh, somebody took the car.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Like, and it's just like, but I could see that with like the with your boat as well.
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: What a way to live.
• 46:54
  Speaker 1: And and too, right?
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: Because you we've not had the chance to do too much anchoring, but anchoring, like, especially in the early days, like, if it's not done right, like your your boat kind of relocates itself and you gotta chase it down with your dinghy.
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: Hopefully not, but yeah.
• 47:09
  Speaker 1: But no, I mean, like, but I've seen just people who aren't and I don't want to say that I'm not included in this because I don't feel I mean, I don't we don't anchor yet, so we're gonna have to pick up that skill, unlock that level.
• 47:23
  Speaker 1: But um, yeah, hopefully not.
• 47:25
  Speaker 1: The point of anchoring is that you stay in one place.
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: But I could see like the display.
• 47:28
  Speaker: But you do check it all the time, yeah.
• 47:30
  unknown: Yeah, dang.
• 47:32
  Speaker: Well, and then you turn around too, so you might come out and you're facing north, or maybe you come out and you're facing south.
• 47:37
  Speaker: Oh, if you're anchoring, right?
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: Because it's yeah, it's it's connected and it's staying there, but like there is like almost like a a certain radius that you can interesting.
• 47:48
  Speaker: Yeah, so you look outside and say, What's this way?
• 47:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: You keep a compass on you.
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: These are all gonna be experiences.
• 47:55
  Speaker 1: Like I'm so excited.
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to be disoriented.
• 47:58
  Speaker 1: And oh my gosh, I'm so excited for these adventures.
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: I want to dig into your documentation of things, slash also more than anything, your the kind of you're writing a memoir about this and like what it's been like.
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: And can you talk to me about that?
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: And and let's talk about creativity and storytelling and and wherever you want to start with all the topics I just yelled at you.
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: Um go, Jessica.
• 48:23
  Speaker: We have so many areas of overlap.
• 48:25
  Speaker: I love it.
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: Um we really do.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: The fact that I did not know you had like a like a very like religious more not religious, but like religiously having a morning routine.
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: Like I was just like, who is this woman that I only met recently?
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 48:42
  Speaker: I know.
• 48:42
  Speaker: Um, yeah.
• 48:44
  Speaker: So I started writing um kind of a just about the boat experience without the goal of writing a memoir in the beginning.
• 48:50
  Speaker: And I was I joined a writing group and we were writing kind of personal essays.
• 48:54
  Speaker: And I started, I was just like, it was really therapeutic to write about it.
• 48:58
  Speaker: Umes of just like figuring all of this work out and having this goal and working towards it and like, are we ever going to achieve it?
• 49:07
  Speaker: And so I started writing and writing and writing, and then I was like, I think I'm gonna make this into a book.
• 49:12
  Speaker: And so that was like six years ago.
• 49:14
  Speaker: I've still been writing it and writing it and writing it.
• 49:17
  Speaker: And I've finished it a few times, and then I'm like, oh, it's not finished yet.
• 49:21
  Speaker: Um, and so I'm in this stage right now where I'm I just reread it again in its entirety, and I'm like ripping apart the structure and just making sure that it's structurally sound from a story arc perspective.
• 49:35
  Speaker: Um, but it's all about the boat, um, a lot about marriage and being married in a tiny space.
• 49:41
  Speaker: You know, you brought that up earlier.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: Totally.
• 49:43
  Speaker: And and just like trying to find yourself in all of those things.
• 49:48
  Speaker: Um, one of the the aspects of the trip that was interesting for me was that I grew up moving around the East Coast in a military family.
• 49:56
  Speaker: And so we revisited a lot of the places that I lived as a kid.
• 50:00
  Speaker: And it was really strange to go back and see them.
• 50:04
  Speaker: And because in my head, they're trapped in this like memory, like they didn't carry on after.
• 50:10
  Speaker: And so seeing it again was just kind of interesting.
• 50:12
  Speaker: I think it was like how I processed it growing up was to just like lock it in time.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 50:18
  Speaker 1: And right, because you had to relocate so regularly that like instead of and I I'm curious, we could probably talk a little bit about like saying goodbye to a place and the people.
• 50:28
  Speaker 1: Like, I feel like I when I leave a place, I'm not like super like emotional about it.
• 50:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, let's go next on to the next.
• 50:34
  Speaker 1: And there's something about you kind of like, yeah, you have this time capsule in your head of of the location.
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: Interesting.
• 50:42
  Speaker: And there's memories that are tied to it that you don't even know you have until you see it again and you smell it and you've have the texture of being in the place.
• 50:50
  Speaker: And then all of a sudden you're like, oh my god, I remember this time, I remember that time.
• 50:53
  Speaker: And it's and we had that coming back to Hampton this time, which was really interesting.
• 50:57
  Speaker: I think I don't know, I don't know what it's like to grow up in one place and not have that.
• 51:04
  Speaker: Yeah, but I always wonder that because when you come back again after five years or 10 years, 20 years, whatever, you see it in a whole different perspective.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 51:14
  Speaker: And so I wonder if people who live in the same place have that.
• 51:17
  Speaker: Like, do you walk on a street corner and say when I was five, like this this thing happened, or do you kind of replace it with new memories?
• 51:23
  Speaker: I don't know.
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: Yeah, people do, but there's this one like convenience store gas station that when I was in second grade, our teacher like we were on like a walking field trip to the downtown in my hometown is called the square.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: And so there's a field trip.
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: We walked to the square because there was like a concert going on or whatever.
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: On the way home, home being school, all the way back to school, we stopped at this like this convenience store.
• 51:50
  Speaker 1: Mr.
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: Komar bought us all a piece of candy or a treat of some sort.
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: And like literally every time we drove past it from that moment until now, like I point out and say, that's where he bought us that treat.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: That's where he bought us the candy.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: That's what I got.
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: So and then, but then it's funny too, because that same location uh is also where Driver's Ed was being taught when I was 15, right?
• 52:14
  Speaker 1: And so, but to go to that, right?
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: It's like uh that's a seven-year-old memory, that's a 15-year-old memory.
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: But you've got different locations for that.
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: Um, and you're right.
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: Like, there is like, and because memory is so interesting because you know, you weren't just completely continually visiting these, like, like in my case, this convenience store.
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: We were drive, we I still drive past it because I'm about an hour and a half away from my parents.
• 52:36
  Speaker 1: So I'm trying to take advantage of the fact that we are here right now and seeing them as much as possible.
• 52:41
  Speaker 1: Um, and so I still drive past it.
• 52:43
  Speaker 1: Every once in a while, it's not the same amount as like me being like, oh, a treat.
• 52:47
  Speaker 1: But like every once in a while be like, oh yeah, that's the spot.
• 52:49
  Speaker 1: It's not even like the same company.
• 52:51
  Speaker: I love that you have that experience.
• 52:52
  Speaker 1: Isn't it so silly?
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: It's so small, but it's but it's fascinating, like you're saying, like people who move around a lot as children.
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: Um, I'm also curious about like the different ages that you were in these different spots, and if like the younger ages, younger aged experiences, like there's stuff coming out, like you know what I'm saying?
• 53:12
  Speaker 1: Like what like what age ranges were you in this all these different spots?
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: And this we could just go really deep really fast.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Or not not yes, really deep, but also just like there's a lot to cover in regards to like exploring all these different places that you lived and and revisited.
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: And wow, very cool.
• 53:30
  Speaker: Well, I think I've always been able to view my life in chapters because I do know that I was in this one place for second, third, and fourth grade, right?
• 53:37
  Speaker: Whereas I think you're like, oh, was that first grade or fifth?
• 53:40
  Speaker: Yeah, I'm like, I know for sure it had to be in these because that's when I was there.
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: So it's like they're not taking you back to that date on the vacation.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: Exactly.
• 53:51
  Speaker: But I don't know if you have this, like, I think of a place like a house I lived in, and I think of like all these different visuals of it.
• 53:57
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 53:57
  Speaker: You're very visually minded as well.
• 53:59
  Speaker: I just like see the trees that were there, or the bunny that we had, or the staircase, or like I can picture the whole inside of the house instantly.
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: Well, we lived, I think.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Stays with you.
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: I think I've told you that we lived in Singapore for like three or four years of my childhood.
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: Um, and before that, I was born in Medina, Ohio.
• 54:19
  Speaker 1: And after that, we moved back to Medina, Ohio, which is funny because of my four of my like me and my three siblings, I'm the only one who was actually born in Medina, which is funny.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: Uh, because my parents, like, you know, they lived a bunch of places.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: So, long story short, house is still in Medina.
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: And I'm curious about, like, because I do want to go back to Singapore one day, and I'm curious about like those memories from age two to six.
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: Like, what's gonna kind of get stirred up?
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: But visually, right, I do remember like stubbing my toe in the apartment complex every time I would go to the pool.
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Like, not just once, but always, right?
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: Like you always like would stub your toe on the concrete on the way to the pool.
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: Um and and then to also to dig into like the the visual memory.
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: It's interesting.
• 55:04
  Speaker 1: My parents have remodeled their house, um, have been doing it quite a bit in the last few years.
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: And so, like, that kitchen is not the kitchen that I grew up in anymore.
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: It's just all very fascinating.
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: Memory and visuals is is very, very fascinating.
• 55:16
  Speaker 1: Cool.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: And so, okay, cool.
• 55:18
  Speaker 1: So the book itself, yeah.
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: Is like exploring that and playing with that cool.
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: Oh, fun, fun, fun.
• 55:25
  Speaker: Yeah, and kind of like figuring out where who I am as an adult, yeah, and what my needs are.
• 55:31
  Speaker: Cause I think that was the big thing for me, is like you, I kind of push myself to my limit doing that sailing at the pace that we were going at.
• 55:40
  Speaker: Um, and I had to learn to say, I can't do this more than this amount, or like draw boundaries on what I was actually capable of, and like learning to voice that in myself, understand that and voice that was a whole process.
• 55:54
  Speaker: And so I'm kind of playing with that in the later chapters now.
• 55:59
  Speaker: Just like, and I think a lot of people probably relate to that experience, um, especially in a marriage.
• 56:07
  Speaker: Um just kind of carving out room for yourself and your partner to both thrive in different circumstances.
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: No, totally.
• 56:17
  Speaker 1: So yeah, and you have to take time with your girl to figure out what you even need in order to ask that other circumstances.
• 56:27
  Speaker: How are you gonna voice your needs if you don't even understand them?
• 56:29
  Speaker: Right.
• 56:30
  Speaker: Yeah.
• 56:30
  Speaker: So how do you know your needs unless you like push yourself to your limit?
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: 100%, 100%.
• 56:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I also like I think too, like they I personally have done a lot of the like a lot of the voicing, but maybe not the checking in as to whether or not that actually makes sense and or if it makes sense not only to myself but to us, you know, um in what we're doing.
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: And uh the boat itself was definitely a joint decision.
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: Um but it came from a lot of like business decisions that I was making and not really taking inventory of like what we need.
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: And so that's you know, also fascinating.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: But it's cool to like, uh it's cool to hear that, and it's cool to hear that like you're exploring that in writing, and I'm so excited to read it one day.
• 57:20
  Speaker: I'm excited to share it with you.
• 57:22
  Speaker: Yeah, one day it's gonna be done.
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: It will, it will, you know, just it's just a matter of time.
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: It'll tell you when it's done, you know.
• 57:30
  Speaker: Yes, that's what I exactly.
• 57:32
  Speaker: That's I you I believe that with creative projects.
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: Totally agreed, agreed, agreed.
• 57:37
  Speaker 1: Okay, cool.
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Well Jessie, are you willing and up for people connecting with you?
• 57:43
  Speaker 1: And if so, where can they find you, connect with you, get to know you, you know, say nice things to you, all the jazz.
• 57:50
  Speaker: Yes, I would love for people to connect with me.
• 57:53
  Speaker: Um, I'm on LinkedIn.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Nice, I me too, obviously.
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: I just love it on there.
• 57:59
  Speaker: I have uh Instagram, I think I'm at Jessie Wilde on Instagram, and I I don't post a ton right now, but I I intend to, and I mostly post about the boat.
• 58:11
  Speaker: Yeah, um, and then uh yeah, those those are probably the best places.
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sounds great.
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: And then they can they can find you there, they can check it out, they can connect with you, and and new friends are always welcome.
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: Uh very cool.
• 58:24
  Speaker: Is there anything else you'd like to add before I say goodbye?
• 58:27
  Speaker: I am really excited for your boating adventures in the future, and it's cool to see kind of and not cool to see.
• 58:35
  Speaker: I know you're in this struggle that you're like, it's I know you're gonna get through it.
• 58:39
  Speaker: And so I think that's what's cool for me to see.
• 58:41
  Speaker: It's like that you're gonna experience what we experienced and being able to like reach that.
• 58:45
  Speaker: And maybe it's not on the timeline you initi initially thought, but yeah, because of that, it's gonna be all the more valuable when you go.
• 58:53
  Speaker 1: Well, and I I totally understand like what you're saying as far as like it's cool to see the phrase is almost like comes to mind.
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: It's like it's cool to see you struggling, but it's because I believe in like you getting past it.
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: You know, like I think I think my my family and my exactly what I was trying to say.
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 59:10
  Speaker 1: Like it's like I believe in you, so it's cool like to see you look, look at something and continually work at it.
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: Um, and that's the thing too.
• 59:18
  Speaker 1: It's like more and more I'm like, this is about being in process.
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm I'm in a place where this podcast where I'm trying to like be like, okay, what what is this podcast really?
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: Like I made it out of like a I needed a place to express creativity creatively, this, that, and the other, um, to to connect with people, to interview them in a way that would just be kind of like in my own way that I wanted to.
• 59:40
  Speaker 1: And and I'm more and more being like, it's about we're in process always.
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: We're never not gonna be in process, and when we're not in process, we're dead.
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  Speaker 1: So, like, that's let's live into that.
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  Speaker 1: And I really appreciate you saying that.
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  Speaker 1: And I you're just the sweetest, because like I'm like, what else do you want to add?
• 59:57
  Speaker 1: And you're like, I believe in you.
• 59:59
  unknown: I'm like, thank you.
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  Speaker 1: So thank you for sharing.
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  Speaker 1: We have to live in the people.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: We do.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 1: It's so it's like it's all in between, isn't it?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: Like, so yeah, exactly.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: Oh my goodness.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: Well, thank you so much for taking the time and sharing yourself uh with the with the people that listen to the Crafted Connections podcast.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: Uh, and of course, sharing yourself with me.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: You have been uber generous with your time just as a friend and a business buddy and uh, you know, like a creative uh brainstormer.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: Um, and uh we're doing the dang thing, my friend.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker: We are.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker: Thank you so much for having me.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker: And I too appreciate our tag ups to just talk about all of our shared interests, but also just your advice and growing a business.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker: It's awesome.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: We're doing it.
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 1: We're doing it.
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 1: Um and we're creative and we're we're doing our best.
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: So thank you.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 1: Thank you.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: Crafted Connections is lovingly produced by Calhoun Creative Consulting, a strategic storytelling firm dedicated to helping people and brands tell their stories in a way that resonates.
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  Speaker 1: If you enjoyed this episode, be sure to subscribe and connect with us on Instagram at Crafted Connections Bot.
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  Speaker 1: Keep creating, keep connecting, until we meet again.