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Episode 222: Battlefield does what Call of Duty dont. · WASD and Beyond

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  There you go. All right, anyway.
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  All right, live from the barracks.
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  This is WASD and beyond. I am.
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  We are your hosts this week, Nick Elliott and Evan.
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  Hello, everybody. Elliott, you've been on the
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  show, what, a couple times, I think.
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  Like 3 or 4. I don't know.
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  I know we did like a super old episode and it was about like,
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  like we were talking about Tarkov.
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  Yeah. And then I think I was on one.
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  I don't know. We were talking about music and
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  Nick spread false information that I like ska music.
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  Yep. Did I do that?
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  Yeah, yeah, I, I forget what that episode was about.
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  Maybe it was about like Tony Hawk or something like that.
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  I don't know. Oh, that.
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  Yeah, maybe it was about soundtracks.
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  We did do an entire. Soundtrack.
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  Yeah, I think it could have been because Noah was the one who.
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  Yeah. Speaking of music, I noticed
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  That's fine, whatever. I had to shorten it down and.
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  Yeah, I get, but I. Used elsewhere.
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  It's being used elsewhere. You know, it is what it is.
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  Correct. Yes, we do.
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  Let's just go right into the topic we're talking about.
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  Battlefield 6 is beta. This is a game that I think all
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  three of us have been waiting a long time to really see what
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  they were going to do with the recent releases of Battlefield
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  games. It's it's it's been shit show,
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  right? Because I grew up on three and
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  four, Bad Company 3 and 4. And I remember when those games
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  came out and it was just like, holy shit.
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  Like you can do this in a game, like in an FDS game.
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  Oh yeah. Like you can make these Tom
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  Cruise level of like like plays right where you're driving a
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  tank. It's off a fucking building
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  essentially into a fucking helicopter and just firing and
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  blowing a helicopter up, landing shit like that.
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  Like it's levels of that I've seen people put a tank on top of
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  an airplane or helicopter, fly up and use the tank as like a
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  fucking sentry. The.
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  Classic the the classic as they say, the only in battlefield
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  moments. I mean like the like, like the,
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  the the classic clip on, I don't remember the map.
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  It's scene crossing. There we go.
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  No, not scene crossing. Why am I thinking of that
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  Caspian border? There we go.
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  Because I think that's where the original clip where the guy
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  jumped out of the the the jet and sniped the other guy and
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  stole it. Yeah, I think that was on
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  Caspian border. I would assume so.
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  Yes, yes, there was a there was one of there's been a handful of
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  them. But I do vividly remember on
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  Caspian, I think it was in Battlefield 3, guy jumps out of
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  a jet, turns around, shoots the other jet with a rocket and gets
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  back in his own jet. And they even they even featured
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  it in the in the in the flop that was 2042.
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  Yes, they did. That in the trailer.
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  Sorry. Yeah, 2042.
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  Yeah, no, you're absolutely a mess of a game.
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  I have AI, have Vivid, like I can recall my times playing each
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  Battlefield game 'cause I started with Battlefield 2 and I
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  played Battlefield 2 and then Battlefield 2.
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  Like they had DLC and one of them was like special.
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  Yeah, all the individual like, all the individual like cases of
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  CDs that you had to have. Yeah, I'm sure we still have
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  them somewhere. That's so cool.
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  But there was one that was like a special operations that I
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  remember very well because it was all based around like night
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  maps and night equipment. So like you would have like
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  there was like 1 map where it was like a hill, like a winding
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  hill. It would lead up to like a big
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  compound in the way you got, the way you could get over the
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  compound because you couldn't get through the front door.
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  I think was you had like a just an old school like grappling
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  hook that you would just throw. And you would just hope it would
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  catch. On to something.
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  And if it did, you would just slowly climb up and you just
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  hear the rope animation because they couldn't do hands.
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  So you just wait until you got to the top.
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  But I remember things like that. I remember playing Battlefield
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  Vietnam with the AI and actually having to like push around a map
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  and like capture objectives. I remember 2042 and Carrier
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  Assault and how fun that was. I think they call it something
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  different back then. I could be wrong and then I.
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  Yeah, 2142, the future is to. 2142.
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  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Because they were they, Yeah,
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  because they were the flying ones and you had like the mech
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  suits and all that. Yeah, I, I, I very vaguely
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  remember playing that one. I very, yeah, I I can only
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  remember a couple, a couple missions on a booze fun.
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  I remember playing a little bit of Bad Company one on the Xbox.
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  I'm I don't think I ever finished it.
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  I do remember playing Bad Company 2 and loving that story
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  and then loving the multiplayer and the DLC.
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  The Vietnam DLC was great, especially the little feature
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  like the Huey's and Jeeps had actual like real music from the
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  time playing. And so you would just be able to
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  listen to that while you were getting shot at.
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  And then of course, yeah, Battlefield 3 was like this
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  monster of a. Game beautiful.
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  Game beautiful. Game it was, it was beautiful,
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  it had a story, it had a Co-op mode that was actually really
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  fun and it had a great multiplayer like system.
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  I think after they got, you know, as all Battlefield games
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  do or modern ones, do, they have to go through a period of
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  cleanup? Yeah, a little break in, a
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  little break in period, yeah. But then we got, I mean, you
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  know, 3 was the best. I mean, in my opinion, the best
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  to do it because of what it did. It was just from the get had a
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  lot of maps. But then you also, I mean, I've
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  we've been replaying it, Elliot and I and just the sheer number.
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  There's five maps for DLC. There's five DLC.
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  Like there's just this plethora of different environments and
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  they're all very unique and they're all, some of them can be
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  very chaotic, like Grand Bazaar, and then some of them like
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  Alborz Mountains or Bandar Desert or, you know, there are
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  those really long range engagement ones where you really
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  rely on vehicles or sniping and things like that.
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  And it's just like 4 did the same, made it a little better.
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  And then yeah, we kind of got into it.
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  I think they got into a weird period after one where they
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  weren't really sure what they wanted to do and.
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  Yeah, I mean, I, I, so I, I started way back on, I think it
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  was Bad Company too, was when I started on, I would, while my
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  brother was at work, I would sneak into his room and I'd play
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  it on his computer. And then he also, he also had
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  Battlefield 2. And I remember going back and
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  playing those because I, I seem to remember you could do your
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  own little like kind of multiplayer kind of thing.
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  You could like pick your maps and then it would just have like
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  a bunch of bots you were playing against.
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  But I remember like going, I remember going over to my
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  cousin's house and they had Bad Company too and I had played it
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  a little bit on my brother's computer.
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  Obviously, you know, when he didn't know, he knew he knew.
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  I got yelled at and in trouble for it a couple times, but you
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  know, it is what it is. Anyway, so good.
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  I remember they were playing in and I, I forget the name of the
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  map. It's a desert map.
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  Non descriptive of Bad Company too.
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  I understand, but you have, you know, obviously your one spawn,
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  the other spawn and you got the the helicopters.
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  I remember my cousin was trying to fly the helicopter and he
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  couldn't figure it out and he just kept crashing.
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  And I remember going let me try, let me try.
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  And I and I grabbed that controller and I flew the
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  helicopter and right then and there I was like, this is truly
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  the best game I've ever played. And ever since then, I mean, I,
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  that's all I do in Battlefield at this point is I just, I fly
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  the helicopter planes, little bit helicopters.
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  That's my thing. And then the, you know, the love
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  grew. Obviously, you know, Battlefield
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  1 and Battlefield 5, you know, no helicopters.
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  But, you know, we would always just go back to Battlefield 4
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  for stuff like that. And then, yeah, 2042 came out
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  and I played a lot of Battlefield 4, you know?
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  I think, I think that's pretty much the trajectory of what
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  happened with Battlefield, right?
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  It's like we had such good grand slams with Battlefield games,
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  like in a, in a sea of like Call of Duty, we had the one game
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  where it felt everything felt rewarding In Battlefield, if you
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  accomplish something in a Battlefield game, it's because
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  you fought to accomplish that. That's like all I've ever
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  thought. And Evan and I have talked a
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  couple times over the past couple weeks about like our
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  experiences with Battlefield. We both said almost essentially
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  the same thing where when I first started playing
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  Battlefield, to me it was Battlefield.
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  And I'm going to say this like is like simply and dumb as I
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  can. I guess.
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  Battlefield's for the big boys, Call of Duty's for the babies.
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  That's just how it's always felt to me.
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  Like if you're playing Battlefield, you're playing the
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  tougher shooter like the big boy shooter, like where it every
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  misstep matters and you will get fucked for your missteps.
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  And that's why I loved Battlefield so much.
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  I loved it for those moments. I loved it for just how either
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  fast-paced and or like slow the game can get dependent upon the
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  map and how your play style is. If you're a sniper, this game
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  lends itself to you immaculately.
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  If you want to fly a fucking fighter jet and destroy anything
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  and everything around you, you can do that in this game.
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  And I've just loved it because of those reasons.
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  Now, obviously with Battlefield 5 and 2042, we've kind of gotten
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  shafted. Well, you don't have to talk too
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  bad on Battlefield 5, but. I was going to say 5 has. 5 has
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  definitely, I think redeemed itself in some aspects and at
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  the core it was always still battlefield I think.
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  Oh yeah, this is kind of at the core of the conversation right
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  now. I think when it comes to this
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  community and, and just where the, I think the players wanted
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  to go, the the community wants it to go.
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  And there are certain people in the community that are, I was
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  going to say influencers, but that's not the word I'd use.
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  I'd say more creators, they're Youtubers and things like that
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  where there's this conversation around around closed weapons and
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  open weapons. And when 2042 went to the
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  specialist system with you can use every single weapon that you
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  any weapon that you want for any specialist.
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  That was at the core of it for like me.
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  I remember that and seeing that going, Oh, that's not
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  battlefield like so it's just that's like the kind of the
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  defining feature are the four classes like.
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  Yeah, 100% like, like each, each role, each, each class has its
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  role in the match, right. And, you know, and that goes
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  beyond just the four main classes, right.
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  Because again, you know, you have the people like me who know
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  life, sweat the helicopters, and then you have the people, people
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  in the tanks and you have the people on the planes.
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  Like Battlefield has always been like a like, like Call of Duty,
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  right? It's just a run and gun for the
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  most part, right? You know, a lot of people play
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  the team deathmatch modes and, and whatnot.
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  I've played them, you know, we've, we all have.
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  Everybody, we've all played them together.
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  And but the beautiful thing about Battlefield is it's been
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  more of you can be like the the the sweatiest player in
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  Battlefield and get all of the kills in the world.
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  But if it's not like a ticket based game mode, it's not going
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  to do shit. You know, it's not going to do
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  anything if you aren't playing the team role game.
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  And that's what. That's.
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  Nailed it exactly. And that's exactly it, right?
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  Like working as a team or a squad in battlefield matters.
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  Call of Duty, you can have that one player.
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  Evan just does it. Evan or Julian, Sometimes
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  Elliot. Don't even throw me who never.
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  Me run off and go. Yeah, I was going to say don't,
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  don't, don't throw me in there. This game, Battlefield, it's
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  also important to me because the meta doesn't matter here.
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  Like it can, it can, but you don't have to play the something
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  I want to talk about in this episode is the streamer tragedy
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  that is plaguing these games. But like you don't have to
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  follow the streamer method where it's like, OK, you see this
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  fucking submachine gun. If you put this attachment on it
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  and you put this butt stock on it and you put this fucking site
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  on it and you put this barrel to fuck off.
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  Let me play the game I want to play. 100% agree that that that
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  always drove me crazy about Call of Duty.
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  And that's, you know, one of the things of like, so like I didn't
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  play much of Call of Duty after like Modern Warfare 2, really.
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  And maybe a little bit of three. And then older ones I picked
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  back. Yeah, Yeah, yeah.
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  Correct. Yeah.
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  The original 2. And then I got into 2019 and
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  that's that's what we meant. Now you got you.
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  Yeah. Oh, yeah.
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  Yeah, Yeah, it is. Yeah.
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  Because Julian invited me to the server.
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  Yeah. You guys can correct me if I'm
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  wrong on this, but I'm pretty sure 2019 is when that like the
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  meta, right? The meta guns really started.
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  I think. That boom.
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  It was like that was kind of like, if you want us, I would
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  say that 2019 was sort of like this incubator period where
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  people kind of found that that was the method.
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  And then I think it was when Warzone dropped because it was
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  free to play and it was, it was everybody could play it and and
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  you had was it free? To play initially I thought, I
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  thought you had to own it. OK, OK.
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  No, it was it was free to play from the from the jump.
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  That was the that was the factor or the like the way to get you
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  in right was, oh, you want to play the new COD?
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  We want you to play the new COD too.
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  Well, you can play the battle Royale mode that's free and
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  maybe if you want, you can buy the actual game.
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  But I think that's what happened because I was there for the
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  beginning of war zone and that's what would happen is especially
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  when they started getting into like, hey, this is the next
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  Black Ops Cold War and guess what?
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  All of those weapons are going to be integrated into war zone
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  and then war zones going to be shared across all these
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  different games. And that's when it started to
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  become this thing of, OK, well, let's have a let's have a meta
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  that people can follow. And I don't think it was
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  necessarily on the fault of the developers.
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  Like it was deliberately them picking which gun to make good.
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  But it was the streamer culture and it was kind of the, I would
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  just say social media in general.
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  Everybody's trying to get clicks.
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  That's the way you make money. And how best, how best to do
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  that than to tell a whole bunch of people who are trying to just
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  play the game because most people are just getting off
• 16:50
  work. They have a couple hours.
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  They want to be able to, you know, own some games and call it
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  a night. And the best way to do that is
• 16:57
  to look up what best, what's the best kit to use right now.
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  I did it myself. And I think that was lost on us
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  because we were all sucked into 2019 and then it just kind of
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  was a cycle of games coming out. But like when you step out of
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  that bubble and you look at the games of old, especially
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  Battlefield games, I mean, at the time, Battlefield 3 and 4
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  would have certain metas to follow or you would do certain
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  things that the rest of the community was doing because
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  there was like a bug or something like that.
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  But I remember very vividly in Battlefield 4 that when any gun
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  was overpowered, the community was like, tone it down.
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  Yeah, there was no. No gun should be overpowered in
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  the others. The MP 2000 in Battlefield 3.
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  Ridiculous. The USAS, especially with frag
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  rounds. Oh my God, like like you.
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  Just weren't getting past it at that point.
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  Right. Yeah, it was you.
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  Just had to suffer it. Was ridiculous and and the
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  servers, the servers 'cause you used to be able to, you know,
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  pay for your own servers or run them.
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  They used to be like whatever game mode, whatever maps, No
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  F2000, no USAS. What would be like the servers
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  who didn't ban them? Well, yeah, I'd say the servers
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  that didn't ban the guns outright, the notes like if if
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  caught using these will be kicked and banned.
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  And it's like, Yup, very good. Yup.
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  They're still. They're still like with.
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  That shit. There's like a server online now
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  for Battlefield 4. I think it's either a rush or
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  it's just a conquest, but it's a 24/7 Perl locker and metro.
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  So it's all three of the close quarters maps.
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  And it literally says in the server title, no mortars, no
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  grenade launchers, none of this stupid shit that, you know, you
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  guys love to use, which is like some people will argue and say,
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  well, that's you know, that's part of the game.
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  And my my thing is go find a different server that allows it
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  'cause this server specifically says.
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  There's a lot there. Dudes don't use it and it's
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  like, and I would argue that it, I mean, if you're looking to get
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  into infantry only gameplay, those are the maps to do it on.
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  It's incredibly hard to do that when there's just one guy on the
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  only outside section section of operation locker with a mortar
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  and there's nothing you can do about it because I mean, let's
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  be honest, it's incredibly hard to see in that game whenever
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  there's snow. Oh, so it's terrible, terrible,
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  terrible visibility. But like I think that that to
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  lead into the beta portion of it is what 6 has captured so well
• 19:09
  of three and four is that I mean, people have done straight
• 19:12
  up comparisons now. The Sprint speed is damn near
• 19:15
  the same. Actually.
• 19:16
  It's a mile per hour slower in Battlefield 6 than it is in
• 19:20
  three and four. You actually run slower in six
• 19:24
  like and I think with the knife is what makes you like the knife
• 19:30
  and knife out. Yeah right.
• 19:32
  And that was and, and it and it doesn't go faster than three and
• 19:36
  four. I think it's actually like a .1
• 19:39
  less speed less in terms of the game speed.
• 19:42
  So it's like basically, damn, you're the same.
• 19:45
  And I think that that is what it's done for me.
• 19:48
  Like I love that there's no tactical Sprint.
• 19:50
  I love that I just hold shift or I tap shift and boom this is my
• 19:54
  1 speed. Yeah, yeah.
• 19:56
  And then if I and there's none, sorry, I'm sorry.
• 19:59
  No, go ahead. It was about the running thing.
• 20:01
  It's I like how they didn't add like the operator esque.
• 20:06
  When you start running, you put your gun up here, you know, it's
• 20:09
  just it's nice and it's nice and toned down.
• 20:11
  It's simple. Just yeah, OK, I'm, I'm just
• 20:13
  booking it. You know I'm just beating feet
• 20:14
  right now. Beating feet, good hip sway,
• 20:17
  good shoulder sway. And it's I got your momentum.
• 20:20
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, and I think that's also
• 20:23
  another thing too that I really like about the movement is that
• 20:25
  there I feel like there is a scent of a sense of momentum or
• 20:28
  inertia. And like we've experienced that.
• 20:32
  Elliot, I don't think you really played it a lot during this
• 20:34
  time, Nick, but Elliot and I definitely experienced like the
• 20:36
  inertia, major inertia change in Tarkov when you got.
• 20:39
  Super slot I I knew where this was going I.
• 20:42
  Just because you knew, you knew you heard that word.
• 20:44
  I did. Play.
• 20:45
  Through it I got triggered. I did play through it because
• 20:49
  you were like, hey, do this, this and that and try this.
• 20:51
  And I did it and I'm like, why am I like a brick in like a tar
• 20:56
  pit? Right now you're like a British
• 20:57
  shit house. Terrible.
• 20:58
  It was terrible. Like it's like what is this bad?
• 21:01
  But this felt really quick. Fuck you.
• 21:02
  Nikita, you suck. You're garbage.
• 21:05
  Like give me my account back. Yeah, please give his account
• 21:09
  back. Actually don't.
• 21:11
  Actually don't. I'm way, I'm way over here.
• 21:12
  You're not playing tar golf. I'm way happier.
• 21:15
  I'm over it. Like there was a, I lost my
• 21:20
  train of thought now, but like it in relation to oh, to the
• 21:22
  movement and inertia and all that sort of stuff was that I
• 21:25
  feel like it has this perfect mix, though, where it's it's
• 21:28
  very distinctively feels like Battlefield where I cannot do
• 21:31
  stupid, like crazy shit, but like.
• 21:35
  I haven't slide around everywhere.
• 21:37
  And right, but you have. Streamers, but that's another
• 21:39
  thing from streamer culture dude, it's that twitch play.
• 21:42
  But, and that's what I think people need to find the the joy
• 21:45
  in and especially this game because it gives you these
• 21:48
  options. But Battlefield 1 introduced I
• 21:50
  think a a slide mechanic and it was very short, but it added
• 21:53
  something to it because it gave you this one last little bit of
• 21:57
  movement to get into cover. And I challenge like it's great
• 22:02
  to get like a clip where you kill like 4 people with some
• 22:05
  crazy headshots. It's equal as I would argue.
• 22:08
  It's actually cooler and it feels way more satisfying to be
• 22:11
  running by a tank and to just slide into cover at the last
• 22:15
  second before you return to toast.
• 22:17
  Way cooler. Which is which is realistic,
• 22:20
  yes, simple as that. Simple as that, you know.
• 22:23
  Yeah. And and I think it it, it, it
• 22:25
  has that perfect blend, right. And we talked about that too,
• 22:27
  where like if there's caught on one side and squad towards the
• 22:31
  other or armor towards the other, battlefield has like
• 22:34
  should lean in that direction towards the the sort of SIM or
• 22:37
  realism side of things. But it is just Arcadia enough
• 22:40
  and just easy enough. And I use that term loosely
• 22:44
  because we just talked about how it should be the harder of the
• 22:46
  two and it should be, but it should be way more accessible
• 22:49
  than a squad type of game or hell out loose because those
• 22:52
  games are like those games are like you load up and they're
• 22:54
  like, you better have a mic. You better know how to
• 22:56
  communicate. You better know this Battlefield
• 22:58
  is Battlefield is the perfect blend of you can have that style
• 23:01
  of gameplay where it's intense and tactical and like military,
• 23:05
  but you don't need to communicate with people other
• 23:08
  than I mean, I mean, in in Battlefield you can communicate
• 23:10
  with just the Kamaros that's been in the game forever.
• 23:14
  And like that's entirely what it's based around.
• 23:15
  I mean, that's so that's what always cracked me up when like
• 23:18
  Siege and Overwatch, they're like we have an an emo wheel
• 23:22
  now, so you can like point things out.
• 23:23
  It's like Battlefield's been doing that shit since fucking
• 23:25
  like Battlefield bad company too.
• 23:28
  Or yeah, yes, it's probably Vietnam like.
• 23:32
  So yeah, I, I think that it it, like I said it, the movement and
• 23:36
  and those sorts of things lends itself to it feeling like a
• 23:39
  Battlefield game. But it has all these modern
• 23:41
  appointments that feel so nice. You know, it runs great.
• 23:45
  It's the best running Battlefield beta I've ever
• 23:46
  played. It's, it's, it's fantastic.
• 23:49
  And, and again, it, it's, it's hard to, to fully accept because
• 23:53
  again, look at every single Battlefield relation, how it's
• 23:56
  been a rocky start. The beta is more flushed out
• 24:00
  than the past like 5 Battlefield games have been at launch.
• 24:05
  It's incredible. We kept saying just release it
• 24:07
  as is right now. We'll play this right now. 100%
• 24:10
  I would. I've already sunk like I've
• 24:11
  already sunk like I'm not going to lie, right?
• 24:14
  I'm a little ashamed. I don't I don't want to look how
• 24:16
  many hours I've put into it, but like the first weekend of the of
• 24:18
  the beta, I played it every single day it released today.
• 24:22
  I've put in that. Are you looking it up?
• 24:24
  I can see it on your. I can see it on your screen in
• 24:27
  the reflection. I can, I can see you just pulled
• 24:29
  up Steam. I only, I only say it cuz I
• 24:31
  think you and I are actually pretty close and yeah, we are.
• 24:33
  You're actually only ahead of me by three hours on the Steam side
• 24:36
  of things. I have 30.4 and you have 33.2.
• 24:40
  Yeah, I put over a day. We've put over a day into this
• 24:43
  and I don't feel ashamed about it cuz it's so.
• 24:44
  Fun. No, neither do I It.
• 24:46
  It just sucks. It just sucks that in you know,
• 24:48
  after after Sunday we're going to have to wait two months.
• 24:51
  But it is yeah. You know what one one of the
• 24:55
  Evan and I were talking about it.
• 24:56
  I don't know a couple days ago, maybe it's when we were playing
• 24:59
  Battlefield 3 or 4 or something like that, but like this beta
• 25:02
  Battlefield 6 right. So over the past couple, you
• 25:07
  know, whatever during like the the the labs and the play
• 25:09
  testing before the beta right that I guess the alpha build.
• 25:13
  Yeah, it's alpha, yeah. Anyway, who cares?
• 25:16
  Whatever, you know, everyone was comparing it to, you know, like
• 25:22
  like when you join in on your squad, right, or like join in on
• 25:25
  your buddies and all that and they were talking about like,
• 25:27
  oh, well, I want this flushed out more.
• 25:28
  A lot of people are comparing that to Battlefield 4 and I feel
• 25:31
  like that's the biggest thing people keep doing with this
• 25:33
  game, right, comparing it to bad four.
• 25:35
  We've we, we've been doing that for however long.
• 25:37
  Three and four, yeah, and like. Really.
• 25:40
  You know, I, I, I think it's, I think it's fucking close, right?
• 25:45
  But I think it's almost unfair to compare it, right?
• 25:48
  Because you know, we all have this nostalgia to the
• 25:50
  Battlefield franchise, you know, wherever it may have started,
• 25:54
  right? But it all kind of focuses
• 25:55
  around 3:00 and then 4, right? But the thing that I love about
• 25:59
  it is you have those again, those only Battlefield moments,
• 26:04
  right? You and your buddies doing some
• 26:06
  head assery in the game and you're having an absolute
• 26:09
  fucking blast. And again, it's the fucking
• 26:12
  beta, and we're having an absolute blast as if it's, you
• 26:16
  know, I didn't play Battlefield 4 with you guys back in the
• 26:19
  prime, but like, if we would have anybody here.
• 26:22
  Yeah. Oh, God, this is this is what it
• 26:24
  felt like when I played Battlefield 4 in its prime when
• 26:26
  I was in high school. It's just.
• 26:28
  Well, that's a good point. It's so good.
• 26:31
  It's a good point that you bring up because I recently was
• 26:36
  talking with two people that I did play these games with when I
• 26:39
  was in high school, Will and Eric, and we played three, we
• 26:44
  played four, we played a lot of four together.
• 26:46
  That was our primary thing that we played through all of its
• 26:48
  life cycle. And and like we were talking
• 26:50
  about it. We were kind of thinking about
• 26:51
  it when we were playing last weekend and Will pointed out we
• 26:56
  I like I was there from the beginning to the end on PC.
• 27:00
  So I was a part, I told Nick I was a part of the community test
• 27:03
  environment. I was part of helping build the
• 27:06
  the Night OPS maps and the, what was it like the community
• 27:10
  operation where they were like, hey, we're going to bring back a
• 27:12
  map from one of the older Battlefield games, which one do
• 27:15
  you want it to be? And like, I got to play the Gray
• 27:18
  box of that and all that sort of stuff.
• 27:19
  So when we played six together, the thing we came away with was
• 27:24
  kind of just how you said, which was this game feels like
• 27:27
  Battlefield when you play it with your buddies, and that's
• 27:30
  what matters. It's the fact that, yeah, you
• 27:31
  can do Head Astree. However, if I have any platform
• 27:34
  that is loud enough to stand on and speak, I will say
• 27:37
  Battlefield Studios, you got to let me launch the Jeeps with C4.
• 27:41
  There you go, It's got to come. Back.
• 27:43
  It's got to come back. I love the new system of being
• 27:46
  able to make a crater, but that thing needs to go to the moon
• 27:48
  too. Like they both.
• 27:50
  I did it the other day with Will and Eric in four, and we didn't
• 27:52
  go anywhere. We went just straight up.
• 27:54
  But as soon as we launched and we went to the sky, everybody
• 27:56
  just sort of cackling because it's just hilarious to do.
• 28:00
  Yeah, like, and it, it's, it's funny you mentioned like you
• 28:03
  want the jeeps and all that to go to the moon bodies in the
• 28:06
  betas go to the fucking. It's hilarious.
• 28:09
  I'll be flying the helicopter, I'll get shot down and my body
• 28:13
  will go flying out the front windshield like to the other
• 28:15
  side of the map like that. It's hilarious.
• 28:18
  I shotgunned like so Speaking of head assery moments, I want to I
• 28:22
  want to start with two. I'll start with one personal one
• 28:26
  for me, and then I want to talk about all three of our combined
• 28:30
  head astry moment here, because this was the best time I had in
• 28:34
  this beta. So the biggest one that I can
• 28:36
  remember so far with like myself was what's the what map is it?
• 28:42
  Where is there's a street in the center and then two sets of
• 28:45
  buildings on each side for six. Cairo the more.
• 28:50
  Orange one. Yeah, yeah.
• 28:52
  Oh yeah. Yeah, street with the buses over
• 28:54
  there, we're being fired at. Noah's fucking yelling at me.
• 28:57
  Stay back. I'm like, yeah, I got this, I
• 28:58
  got this. I had noob tube down the fucking
• 29:02
  piece of like huge pieces of the building fall on these people.
• 29:05
  I'm like, oh, that's sick. So I run over there and I see
• 29:07
  them all just like like what the like just like in shock.
• 29:11
  I go huh, three key shotgun and I start yelling Black Ops Black
• 29:16
  Ops black and I started. Just killing.
• 29:18
  All. All fucking five of them.
• 29:21
  And like the last guy I shoot, his body hits like the top of
• 29:26
  the fucking ceiling and just flies out the building.
• 29:28
  And I went, Oh yeah. That's insane.
• 29:31
  But Elliot, Elliot and Evan, I'm going to give the floor to
• 29:35
  Elliot. Yeah, because our tank moment.
• 29:40
  Oh that that the double tank double pits the chesty.
• 29:43
  Tank on. Cairo.
• 29:45
  That was great. Oh my God, dude.
• 29:48
  So, so people have this habit of not going down with the ship,
• 29:53
  right? And whether it's in helicopters,
• 29:55
  whether it's in tanks, right, planes, whatever, you start to
• 29:58
  get you, you get to the point where you're going to die and
• 30:01
  you bail out. So you save the ticket, right?
• 30:03
  So I was, I don't think I had a tank yet.
• 30:07
  I think it was just Nick and Jules.
• 30:10
  No, they didn't have a tank. Hold on, hold on, hold on.
• 30:12
  Not yet. They didn't have a tank yet.
• 30:14
  So they're they're like launching everything that they
• 30:17
  have at this at this enemy Abrams right.
• 30:20
  And what does what does the driver do?
• 30:21
  He gets out to help repair it right or run away.
• 30:25
  Whatever Nick jumps in the tank steals it right.
• 30:27
  Jules is is on top of it heals that bad Johnny up goes off
• 30:31
  right? I'm like, dude, this is hell
• 30:34
  yeah. So then I took one of our tanks
• 30:37
  or our not. Not the tank, the the I.
• 30:41
  VIFB Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep, the IFE.
• 30:45
  So I then had our IFE while Nick is in an enemy Abrams, and then
• 30:50
  we had the rando on our team following us along in our
• 30:55
  Abrams. So we had three tanks and we
• 30:58
  were just driving around in circles.
• 31:00
  Just take a lap, take a lap. Just racking up the.
• 31:02
  Screaming at one of. The I'm dude there there was
• 31:05
  another there's another IFE in front of me and I started
• 31:08
  shooting at it and because I was I was lead right.
• 31:11
  And I remember I started panicking.
• 31:12
  I'm like, guys, I need help, I need help.
• 31:14
  He's fucking me up outcomes Evan big Dick in it to the Max and
• 31:19
  he's running up to this fucking thing with the God damn repair
• 31:21
  tool, just just cooking this damn tank in front of me and
• 31:26
  Nick's like Nick's like Ellie, I'm coming, I'm coming, I'm
• 31:28
  coming like, hey, don't worry, man.
• 31:29
  Evan just big dicked and just melted this.
• 31:31
  Fucking tank. With a repair tool.
• 31:34
  I just the the best part about that was it felt like an actual
• 31:38
  ambush because it hit one of the tanks in front of us when it
• 31:42
  came out because it it knocked somebody like loose or like I
• 31:45
  think it's Nick and it sort of like knocked him off to his side
• 31:47
  and Nick's like. Oh my God, there's like an IMB.
• 31:50
  Right. Like he's like reacting to it in
• 31:52
  real time And I jumped out of the IFEI, think Elliot was in
• 31:56
  and I jump out, switched to the RPG, immediately shoot it and
• 31:58
  then switched to the repair tool and just hold it on there until
• 32:01
  it explodes. Well, the crazy moment of that
• 32:04
  too was because at one point in time, all Elliot and I are just
• 32:09
  serpentining because that other be fucked off and we're just
• 32:11
  screaming. Do it on a lap.
• 32:13
  So we're just laughing. We're just killing everybody.
• 32:15
  So we get rocketed. I see Julian and Evan just go
• 32:20
  and start repairing us while we're driving.
• 32:22
  I'm like it. Was what is it was insane dude
• 32:25
  that insane the amount of the amount of like team play now
• 32:28
  granted right? It's also because a lot of
• 32:30
  people want to complete the challenges and it's funny
• 32:33
  because you know, the challenges are like, you know, spot for the
• 32:36
  Recon and then but the biggest one is the healing for
• 32:39
  engineers. And the amount of heels that I
• 32:42
  have gotten in this beta when I am in a tank is astronomical.
• 32:46
  And I pray that it continues because it's so much fun having
• 32:51
  you have a whole flock of people.
• 32:53
  You have like 5 or 6 people who are engineers just following
• 32:56
  you. The second you get hit by an RPG
• 32:58
  or an enemy tank, you don't even notice because your health is
• 33:01
  already back full. You're like, this is so
• 33:04
  beautiful. It's amazing.
• 33:06
  It's great on being on the other end of that when you, when I'm
• 33:08
  shooting at the enemy team and I hit like an IFB with like it's
• 33:11
  one rocket, OK, he's half second rocket.
• 33:14
  OK. He's a quarter third rocket.
• 33:16
  He's half again. What happened?
• 33:19
  And then you're and then you're on your last two rockets and
• 33:21
  he's full of health and you're like, there's nothing.
• 33:23
  I don't know what to do. Like like yeah, I give up.
• 33:27
  I was I was so confused on whatever peak liberation peak,
• 33:34
  liberation peak. Thank you.
• 33:35
  What am I doing when I play liberation peak right?
• 33:38
  I'm just flying the Apache, right?
• 33:39
  I work on Apaches. I'm going to fly the day of
• 33:41
  Apache. OK, so I'm doing all my passes
• 33:45
  and I think I had it was Logan was my gutter and it was it was
• 33:50
  the same scenario where I would I would, you know, go over a
• 33:53
  point. Everyone would say there's a
• 33:54
  tank on whatever point. All right, I'm going to go fuck
• 33:55
  it up. Go do a little pass on it, turn
• 33:58
  back around, Go do another pass on a turn around.
• 33:59
  Go do another pass on a turn around.
• 34:01
  I'm still doing a pass, a fourth pass on the same damn damn tank.
• 34:06
  And like every single time I'm getting multiple and multiple
• 34:09
  like just infantry killers. And that's what it is.
• 34:12
  I'm just killing the flocks of engineers following these
• 34:15
  vehicles. I'm like, hey, I'm just.
• 34:17
  Farming points. Right now, whatever.
• 34:19
  But. It's like, I swear to God that's
• 34:20
  the same tank I've been shooting.
• 34:22
  They're just. Swarming it like a bee.
• 34:26
  Yeah, it's amazing. I love it.
• 34:28
  To touch on that too, I think a thing that I've taken away from
• 34:31
  this when it comes to the vehicles, at least, especially
• 34:33
  the Apache as the gunner and The Jets as well, because those are
• 34:37
  probably the, because I spent the most time in as like a
• 34:39
  driver or as a gunner is how much utility you have.
• 34:46
  Like in four, it's like you had like if you were flying it, you
• 34:50
  had rockets and then heat seeking and you could change a
• 34:52
  couple of things and you had like a pretty small selection.
• 34:56
  And we don't have a selection at all right now.
• 34:58
  But like I, I love that. It feels like, like I love that
• 35:01
  the jet has like a 30mm gun, heat seeking missiles and bombs
• 35:07
  to drop. Like I can do, I can do
• 35:10
  everything. I can help out the ground
• 35:11
  troops, I can help out the armor, and then I can also hold
• 35:15
  my own whether it's against another jet or a chopper.
• 35:18
  And then like the same thing. Like I haven't flown too much of
• 35:20
  the Apache. I've been the gunner most the
• 35:22
  time. But like when I was fine with
• 35:23
  you, I had the gun itself, which was very powerful.
• 35:26
  And then I also had the Rockets to lock on to like tanks and I
• 35:31
  was like, Oh my God, I have actual kit.
• 35:33
  Like I can, I can take down Apaches, I can take down jets
• 35:36
  with the gun, I can take down enemy like infantry.
• 35:38
  And then I have these rockets too for any ground like a, a or
• 35:41
  whatever like. Yeah, I felt very stuck in this.
• 35:44
  Like, yeah, you're not stuck in this like like having to
• 35:48
  constantly change your load out of the vehicle for like, OK, I'm
• 35:52
  going to spawn in right, But I'm, I'm destined for air
• 35:55
  targets right now. Well, you spawn in, you start
• 35:57
  flying around and everyone's on the ground.
• 35:59
  You're like, shit, I don't have the right loadout for this.
• 36:01
  I agree. That is that is huge in this
• 36:05
  current state of the beta. And I'm, I'm really excited to
• 36:07
  see like once you can on what, once all these things are
• 36:10
  unlockables to see like truly how you can deck out the Apache
• 36:14
  or jet or whatever the Blackhawk.
• 36:16
  There's going to be a Blackhawk as the the support helicopter.
• 36:20
  I cannot wait to fly that. That's going to be I can't I
• 36:23
  can't wait to fly to to be in that.
• 36:25
  And I also think that's an important part of it too, is one
• 36:29
  thing that I think makes Battlefield stand out as well is
• 36:33
  so I've already we've already touched on like the classes and.
• 36:36
  Wait, real quick, real quick. I just I just want to say it's
• 36:39
  water, not milk. It's not I'm not just drinking a
• 36:41
  gallon of milk. OK.
• 36:42
  And that's can you. I just OK, I'm glad that it was
• 36:45
  cleared. Out.
• 36:45
  Could you imagine? If it was.
• 36:47
  Drinking a gallon of milk, I'd be like, dude, that's insane
• 36:49
  behavior. That would be hilarious.
• 36:50
  I don't even know what. I'd say a lot of podcast just
• 36:52
  pulls up a fucking Anna's room temp at this point for 40
• 36:56
  minutes in, so that fucking shit's just like on the verge of
• 36:59
  Colonel. I'm going to fucking dude.
• 37:02
  That was nasty. Why did I say?
• 37:03
  Anyway, Evan, Evan, carry on. I'm Evan.
• 37:05
  Carry on. Die because I saw one.
• 37:08
  I think that's a foundational part of this is like it feels
• 37:14
  good in. Time.
• 37:15
  What did you just do? Did you drop?
• 37:18
  Crack. Don't worry about it.
• 37:19
  I no, I dropped something. Oh, did you hear that?
• 37:21
  Did the Mike pick that up? Oh.
• 37:22
  I guess so. Did you crack your jaw?
• 37:25
  Me. Yeah, or you dropped something.
• 37:28
  I dropped something. Oh, I thought, I thought he
• 37:31
  opened his mouth. OK, fine.
• 37:32
  I don't care. Keep going.
• 37:33
  Evan, I'm so sorry. You're good.
• 37:34
  I'm glad that that was also cleared up.
• 37:39
  I I, I think, like I said, it's important about like the fact
• 37:42
  that you felt useful in in all the vehicles.
• 37:44
  And I also feel very useful on the ground when I'm playing my
• 37:47
  class and I, I'm just just sorry, take off this this open
• 37:54
  class stuff, just make people play the four classes and call
• 37:56
  it a day. I think people would actually
• 37:58
  really, I think the game is, I think the game is far more
• 38:00
  battlefield in that regard because that's obviously what
• 38:02
  the old ones were. But that's the core of it is
• 38:07
  that I am reliant on Elliot and Elliot's reliant on Nick and you
• 38:11
  know, Nick is reliant on Jules or Luke or whoever our 4th is.
• 38:16
  Like you, are you reliant? Like if Elliot's the engineer
• 38:20
  and he has rockets and he runs out, he needs me to give him an
• 38:22
  ammo pack so you can have more rockets in.
• 38:24
  Why do I need to do that? Because if I don't do that, the
• 38:27
  tanks kill us. And I can't have a job in these.
• 38:31
  Games everybody has a job to do and I feel that when when it's
• 38:33
  open, I like. Rush is open this week for this
• 38:35
  beta and I've heard a lot of complaints on one.
• 38:38
  Rush is also just apparently a shit show because it's not
• 38:41
  balanced and it's not made correctly.
• 38:43
  Like it's only 12V12 which inherently I don't really have a
• 38:45
  problem with because the maps are kind of small anyway.
• 38:47
  But like it's other things too. Like the defenders can shoot
• 38:51
  into the attacking spawn. Things like that are just not
• 38:54
  you. Know.
• 38:54
  Yikes. Yeah, just things like that are
• 38:56
  not balanced very well and I think those are all fixable,
• 38:58
  but. Yeah.
• 39:01
  I I think that that's also a foundational part of it is you
• 39:04
  have to, this is part of it being hard, right, is you don't
• 39:08
  get to just play what you want and get all the things you want
• 39:11
  with it. You have to play, you know, play
• 39:13
  what you want to play, but you're going to have to use the
• 39:15
  things available to that role. You don't just.
• 39:17
  Have to play the team game. You have to play the team game
• 39:19
  and that is that's what makes it difficult is it's very easy to
• 39:22
  play COD and just care about yourself.
• 39:24
  It's a lot harder to play with a with a team, especially a squad
• 39:27
  of three randos or 4 randos and go.
• 39:29
  What can I do to contribute because I can't win the game.
• 39:32
  Like you said, I can't win the game no matter I can get 100
• 39:35
  kills. I can get 200 kills.
• 39:36
  Doesn't make a difference. Doesn't matter unless I'm unless
• 39:39
  I'm doing something that actually helps the ticket queue
• 39:41
  or the ticket different queue. Oh no.
• 39:43
  No. Like, but if like that's what I
• 39:47
  mean, like that's the the important part of it is that you
• 39:49
  have to it's a team game and people should be forced to play
• 39:53
  the team game. I think that as soon as you make
• 39:55
  it more of an individual thing is when it stops being a
• 39:57
  Battlefield title. So what I agree with that, I
• 40:00
  think we, I think for casual players, the, the, the dad who
• 40:05
  is getting off work at fucking 6, the dude who's working a
• 40:09
  tough job, the, the, the, the, the mom or whoever who, who just
• 40:14
  wants to get on late at night and play a Battlefield game.
• 40:18
  There should be the option for a like for a like mode.
• 40:24
  Like a mode like a casual. Yeah, but in its own category.
• 40:31
  Give us that still too, right? Give me who I want to play.
• 40:34
  A locked system, deathmatch, domination, all that with the
• 40:39
  locked weaponry. But people I think should have
• 40:43
  the option to play a casual battlefield because I want the
• 40:48
  hardcore experience. I don't want to play casual.
• 40:51
  That doesn't mean other people shouldn't have the access there.
• 40:55
  Does that make sense? Like.
• 40:56
  I get what you're saying, but I think that's also an important
• 40:58
  part of it too, is that I don't think having a class system
• 41:01
  would be considered hardcore. I think that that's just core.
• 41:04
  That's the normal state of the game.
• 41:06
  And. Yeah, I agree with that.
• 41:09
  I think team deathmatch in deathmatch in Squad deathmatch
• 41:12
  in King of the Hill and all the smaller game modes should
• 41:14
  absolutely be able to be played. However, people, I mean, I don't
• 41:19
  care if it's open or closed because inherently in those
• 41:22
  types of game modes your class matters less.
• 41:25
  Because if you're playing team deathmatch on a smaller map,
• 41:27
  you're not you. There's no reason Engineer
• 41:29
  doesn't really. Selfish place.
• 41:31
  Like it, it doesn't matter because you, I mean, yeah, you
• 41:33
  can use those rockets to kill people.
• 41:35
  But like, that's, you know, that's the extent of what you're
• 41:38
  doing. You know, you're not healing.
• 41:41
  It's good that look in this face.
• 41:43
  Like, I knew I, I, I knew you're going to bring up the, the using
• 41:46
  rocket launchers and team deathmatch and domination.
• 41:49
  It's so much fun because, because.
• 41:50
  It is fun. The level destruction.
• 41:54
  Yes, Oh yeah, Oh yeah, the the destruction on the game is
• 41:57
  really good. I like this this sort of
• 41:59
  destruction style that they're they've got going where it's not
• 42:02
  like Revolution where it's this one big thing that changes the
• 42:05
  map, but it is this sort of like just chaotic.
• 42:09
  It's just. Like, Oh yeah.
• 42:11
  It's. Battlefield it's you get, you
• 42:13
  get overstimulated, you don't know what the hell is going on,
• 42:15
  and next thing you know, the building's falling on top.
• 42:17
  You're like. I've got to say, being in a
• 42:19
  building that is crumbling down because somebody shot a jet out
• 42:23
  of the sky and it hit your building while you're in it and
• 42:26
  then things are just starting to go down.
• 42:27
  You're like, oh, fuck, am I living?
• 42:29
  And then you just, you're just trying to, you know, it's sweet.
• 42:32
  It's that's Battlefield. Jumping out of a destroyed
• 42:35
  window and then like combat rolling when you land because
• 42:38
  and like turning around to watch the rest of the building fall
• 42:41
  around you and like you're OK. Like that, that was something
• 42:45
  that was something I was a little scared of.
• 42:47
  Like when they were talking about it, you saw like early
• 42:49
  development videos of it and or not fit.
• 42:54
  Yeah, videos, whatever. It gives a shit gameplay of it.
• 42:56
  There we go. That's what I was looking for,
• 42:57
  yeah. And like that initially that
• 42:59
  made me a little scared, a little call back to we're
• 43:02
  talking about the movement system and Call of Duty versus
• 43:04
  Battlefield, right, Right. That made me a little scared
• 43:08
  initially because I was like, Oh my God, are they going to have
• 43:10
  like that rapid twitch shooter kind of movement?
• 43:13
  But it looks great. Like, I think it was like day
• 43:17
  one, Evan, Noah and I were playing and we were just
• 43:21
  demonstrating that. Just jumping off the building
• 43:23
  and rolling in like as. You guys found a really big
• 43:25
  window? Yeah, yeah.
• 43:27
  Yeah. And, and yeah, And we just, and
• 43:30
  we just kept doing that and like watching somebody do it, it
• 43:32
  looked good. And again, it's, it's not, I
• 43:35
  mean, if you jump from a tall height, you're naturally going
• 43:38
  to roll to, you know, not hurt your legs, you know what I mean?
• 43:41
  So it's not one of those, it's it's realistic movement.
• 43:46
  And it, well, and it gives you a choice because if I wanted to, I
• 43:49
  could jump from that height and I could land on my knees and I
• 43:52
  would take damage as is appropriate, but I'd be able to
• 43:56
  shoot someone right away. Whereas when I roll, I don't.
• 43:59
  And so it it is a, it's like, that's kind of what it is,
• 44:02
  right? It's it's giving the player the
• 44:03
  choice, but also making those choices make sense, you know,
• 44:07
  like it's a different thing when it's like, yeah, well, you can
• 44:10
  jump out of this, you know, this window.
• 44:12
  And just before you hit the ground, if you hit space, you'll
• 44:14
  use these little like jet boots, you know, or whatever that like
• 44:17
  will stop you from taking damage.
• 44:18
  That's not the same thing as a combat role.
• 44:21
  And they might function and do the same thing, but one feels
• 44:24
  inherently better than the other and also fits the feet.
• 44:28
  And agreed, I think that I think Battlefield also has a really
• 44:32
  good theme going this time around because it's always
• 44:34
  experimented with different eras.
• 44:35
  It's you know, it's gone to the future, it's gone to the past
• 44:39
  and it's gone, you know, to places in between.
• 44:41
  And I like that this is it feels just like 3 and 4 in terms of
• 44:47
  its modern aesthetic, but it's not like it's not kind of absurd
• 44:54
  in the way that I think the newer Modern Warfare 2 and three
• 44:57
  kind of got. Not even those like I wouldn't
• 45:00
  say they got crazy, but there was sort of like this over
• 45:03
  stimulation to me whenever I was playing them, especially two and
• 45:06
  three, where there was like so many different attachments
• 45:09
  because they and that was both a choice.
• 45:11
  I think of they had so many attachments, but they also did
• 45:14
  this thing where you could I could play through the M4A1
• 45:18
  platform and unlock everything there and then I could use those
• 45:21
  attachments for an AK or, you know, this other platform like
• 45:26
  this scope I could use, but I can only get that scope if I use
• 45:29
  the M4. And I like that at least in this
• 45:31
  beta battlefield has this just normal, very normal system of
• 45:35
  like either unlocks for each gun and you unlock them and that's
• 45:39
  it. And I think that that is a
• 45:42
  really nice thing. I also like the gunsmith system
• 45:45
  this time around. The points is actually a pretty
• 45:47
  decent thing because it kind of doesn't like it lets you
• 45:49
  customize it to your ability. But you're agreed, like if you
• 45:53
  check out the sniper rifle, you can only do like, you know, I
• 45:57
  think I don't even think you can do like the straight pole bolt
• 46:00
  and a suppressor because they take up too many points.
• 46:03
  So it's like ask you know what, play Styler.
• 46:06
  Well, yeah, what place are you going for?
• 46:08
  Do you want to be quick with the bolt and not have to like on
• 46:10
  scope? Or do you want to have the the
• 46:13
  sound profile and and like your flash suppressed so that way
• 46:16
  you're not spotted, you know, And like, that's exactly what,
• 46:20
  again, just like the combat role, it's choice, you know,
• 46:23
  you, you have to pick. You can't get both.
• 46:27
  And I, I like that that seems to sort of be the philosophy behind
• 46:31
  some of this stuff. I don't really have a lot of
• 46:34
  criticism of it other than I think some of the guns need to
• 46:36
  maybe just be toned down in their rate of fire, I think.
• 46:38
  The fucking. Glint.
• 46:39
  I don't think the M4A1 should fire at like 900 rounds a
• 46:42
  minute. I think that like that.
• 46:44
  No, it should like it just kind of blows my mind when I fire it
• 46:47
  every time and I'm like, this feels like I'm firing like AP90
• 46:50
  or something like, yeah, it's just real.
• 46:53
  And I went back and I looked because I was just curious and
• 46:56
  like Battlefield Fours M4 had a rate of fire of like, I think
• 47:01
  it's 800 flat. And then the M4A1 in Battlefield
• 47:05
  3, I think was a little less at like 7:50.
• 47:08
  And then I went and I just kind of did that because I was
• 47:10
  curious. And I went through and I looked
• 47:11
  at all of the assault rifles and carbines in Battlefield 4, and
• 47:13
  the rate of fires varied pretty significantly.
• 47:16
  In some cases, like there were the outliers, but all of them
• 47:19
  were between like 600 to 800 or 8:50.
• 47:24
  And then I looked in Battlefield 6 and I saw like, OK, like the
• 47:28
  M433 is like 850 or 860. And then like I think one of the
• 47:33
  other ones was 770 and another one was like around that range
• 47:36
  too. And I was like, they all seem to
• 47:37
  be pretty fast. And I'm very interested to see
• 47:41
  how that works in a longer range environment.
• 47:45
  Like agreed. That's just going to be
• 47:47
  interesting because inherently Battlefield's always been about
• 47:49
  like taking your time, right? You have to, you have to burst.
• 47:52
  You can't just hold it. Again, another thing that
• 47:54
  separates it from COD, you can't just hold the trigger down or
• 47:57
  whatever. Things like that too.
• 47:59
  Nicki Minaj and Beavis and Butthead and American Dad isn't
• 48:02
  in the games too, so. Well, and I like, I think
• 48:05
  that's. Something I'm not, I'm not pre
• 48:07
  ordering it until they do that. Elliot.
• 48:09
  Ridiculous, ridiculous, Elliot. No, I understand what.
• 48:13
  I understand. Behavior he wants to give him.
• 48:15
  No pre-orders, no pre-orders, no pre-orders.
• 48:18
  Yeah, we all said that, eh? Yeah, that was that was the
• 48:21
  thing people did pre-order, not us.
• 48:23
  I did not. Nobody in our discord I think
• 48:25
  pre-ordered it. But I know, I mean, I it was
• 48:28
  like Saturday. Last week did you pre-order?
• 48:32
  No, no I didn't. OK, thank you.
• 48:34
  There we go. We did it, boys.
• 48:36
  No, I saw like Saturday. Not pre ordering battlefield.
• 48:40
  It was like Saturday last weekend.
• 48:42
  I checked and it said Top Sellers Battlefield 6 and that
• 48:45
  was like, guys, what did you say?
• 48:48
  We've talked about it for like 5 years, no pre-orders.
• 48:51
  What do you do? Like Oh my God, no, I'm I'm very
• 48:56
  happy with this beta and I think is I mean if this is what we get
• 48:59
  in October and it's a little better, I'll be happy.
• 49:02
  Like and I played it in I played it at the end of May and they're
• 49:06
  like server stress tests. And that was when they had
• 49:08
  nothing on like some of the guns like they're they're they were
• 49:11
  just grey they and they had no magazines in them.
• 49:13
  You just, it would reload an invisible mag and you'd keep
• 49:17
  firing and you just, it would work.
• 49:20
  So like, and that was two months ago, you know, or three months
• 49:23
  ago or whatever you want to call it.
• 49:24
  So like I, I think that it's, if they got to this point now and
• 49:29
  we're playing on, let's say, a build that's a couple weeks or
• 49:31
  months older, you know, I think we're in a pretty good spot for
• 49:36
  October. Like I think that's going to be
• 49:39
  pretty cool. Also on top of the fact too, I
• 49:40
  mean, we're getting a campaign again and we haven't really
• 49:42
  mentioned that, but I'm actually pretty excited.
• 49:44
  That's about sweet. Yeah, yeah, I was, I was, I was
• 49:47
  actually just talking one of my Co workers today about it and
• 49:50
  about he asked me. He goes, it's going to have a
• 49:53
  campaign, right. I was like, yeah, you know, I'm,
• 49:55
  I'm, I'm really curious to see how they do it because I love
• 49:59
  the war stories and Battlefield 1 and Battlefield 5.
• 50:03
  Those are pretty good. And you know, some of those were
• 50:06
  loosely based off real things that happened during the wars,
• 50:09
  right? So I'm curious.
• 50:11
  If they're going to. Yeah, yeah.
• 50:13
  So I'm curious if they're going to attempt to obviously
• 50:16
  manufacture something like that for the campaign or if they're
• 50:20
  going to use some real world stuff from like, you know, the
• 50:22
  past 10 years of. 15 years. Or if they're going to go back
• 50:26
  to the Battlefield 4, Battlefield 3 and older, kind of
• 50:32
  just like a normal kind of campaign that you just play
• 50:34
  through, you know, a A to A-Z, you know, just play through it
• 50:39
  top to bottom. It'll be I feel it'll be
• 50:41
  interesting to see. I feel like it's going to go
• 50:44
  back to that style of three and four where it's just a straight
• 50:47
  campaign, like a linear sort of thing and maybe gives the player
• 50:49
  some, some, some agency. And I think that's always a
• 50:53
  tough line to walk for those types of games, right?
• 50:55
  Cuz cuz COD throughout the past couple years and its campaigns
• 50:58
  have has really like, like, I mean, the last one, Modern
• 51:01
  Warfare 3 had several missions where it was like, play it your
• 51:03
  way. It's like, here's the objective,
• 51:07
  play it how you want. And I'm curious if that's what
• 51:09
  Battlefield is going to do and they're going to sort of like
• 51:12
  copy that or if it's going to be more linear and focused.
• 51:17
  And also like other things like I don't, I wouldn't expect to
• 51:19
  get like a skill tree or anything like that or I wouldn't
• 51:21
  expect to have like some sort of abilities or anything.
• 51:26
  I would expect it to be kind of like a 2019 sort of thing.
• 51:30
  Apparently that's also. I mean, it's funny because I'm
• 51:32
  actually on. The guy who is ready to go.
• 51:37
  Battlefield Studios now, yeah. The guy who's running
• 51:39
  Battlefield Studios now was originally, yeah, Vince
• 51:43
  Zampella, He was originally a part of Call of Duty 24 and
• 51:48
  Modern Warfare 2. I feel like if he had any hand
• 51:55
  in helping sort of direct it is that we'll sort of get those
• 51:59
  and, and I hope, and I hope for that because those campaigns are
• 52:02
  really good. So that's kind of the thing,
• 52:04
  right, Is it's, I'm fine with that style of campaign.
• 52:07
  It's just that the, you know, it's all at that point.
• 52:11
  It's just how's the quality of everything The.
• 52:14
  Blockbuster at that point too. Right, right.
• 52:16
  And that's what it's supposed to be.
• 52:17
  It shouldn't be something that's entirely believable in every
• 52:19
  sense. You know, you got to suspend
• 52:20
  belief. Just need.
• 52:21
  It some way to be grand. Right.
• 52:23
  It needs to be epic on in its scale, right.
• 52:25
  But like at that point it's all about how are the like, are the
• 52:28
  characters interesting? Are they are they relatable in
• 52:30
  some way? You know, things like that.
• 52:32
  And I think they'll do that. By and large, I think that I
• 52:35
  mean Battlefield 3 and four are still campaigns.
• 52:36
  I remember pretty distinctly, especially 4.
• 52:40
  The beginning of four is incredibly intense because you
• 52:43
  think it's just this normal mission and then all of a sudden
• 52:46
  your squad leader is giving you a gun and saying shoot the
• 52:48
  window out and let me drown. And it's like, whoa, like that.
• 52:53
  And I I mean, I was bled like 1314 when that game came out.
• 52:58
  That was insane to play as your first mission you.
• 53:02
  Don't like and like and like. Honestly, I would be OK if it
• 53:05
  were more linear because like you, like you mentioned about
• 53:07
  the previous like Call of Duty ones, right?
• 53:09
  It all kind of goes back into that like team mentality, right?
• 53:12
  If they give you a mission, they're like, yeah, do it
• 53:14
  however you want, right? That kind of falls back into the
• 53:17
  the multiplayer role of Call of Duty, where it's just kind of,
• 53:21
  yeah, it's it's a fucking army of one, right Versus.
• 53:23
  I'm the main character. Yeah, yeah, exactly.
• 53:25
  It's my, you know, so like if it were linear, I'd be OK with
• 53:29
  that. You know, it's going to be
• 53:31
  pretty if there there's no way it's not pretty, right?
• 53:34
  And it's going to be and, and and, you know, there'll probably
• 53:36
  be some things you can stray and kind of approach certain parts
• 53:40
  of the missions how you would like.
• 53:43
  I would imagine so, right? But I'd be fine.
• 53:46
  I hope it's not just kind of like, I hope it's not just yeah,
• 53:49
  here's your objective, Go have fun.
• 53:51
  Here's a helicopter and a couple rockets, you know, go do what
• 53:53
  you're going to do. You know I'd.
• 53:54
  Be I'd be so happy if it was like dude, go classic, like
• 53:58
  single player campaign from a shooter and like protagonist
• 54:03
  doesn't talk, doesn't say shit ever.
• 54:06
  All we need and and it's just like.
• 54:08
  And add some and add some humor to it, like in one of the old
• 54:12
  Bad Company campaigns. Actually funny.
• 54:16
  Yeah, both of them. It's hilarious.
• 54:18
  Yeah. Yeah.
• 54:18
  And there's like the whole bit where it's like, all right,
• 54:20
  guys, we're going quiet and they're like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 54:21
  And then you start Hawking grenades and like firing their
• 54:24
  machine guns as their. Watch, those were the
• 54:25
  commercials back in the day, Yeah.
• 54:28
  They had the little happy. The little bobblehead.
• 54:31
  Yeah, yeah, yeah. Bobblehead, Yeah.
• 54:33
  Give me something like that, you know?
• 54:37
  It had it had I. Can't wait to see what this is
• 54:39
  going to be, and I don't want to speculate too much until we see
• 54:42
  a trailer. It's more of a trailer for the
• 54:45
  single player. Yeah.
• 54:47
  How I want to end this episode is asking both of you briefly
• 54:52
  how you're feeling about the campaign.
• 54:55
  Obviously people can tell we're stoked, but how are you actually
• 54:58
  feeling about the campaign and and in the next 5 minutes going
• 55:03
  back to play more either one? Of you wait, the camp, the
• 55:06
  campaign, what? Do you like the multi, the beta?
• 55:08
  The fucking. Beta.
• 55:09
  You meant the beta beta. OK.
• 55:13
  I tried the radio voice and it didn't fucking work to my
• 55:15
  benefit. I got put in the spot last time.
• 55:18
  Your turn, Evan. Go.
• 55:19
  Oh, it's my turn. OK, how I'm feeling about the
• 55:21
  beta right now. I am dog.
• 55:24
  First word that came to mind as soon as I loaded it up was I was
• 55:27
  impressed. I was impressed by the sheer
• 55:31
  performance that I was getting, that I it was running so great
• 55:34
  and that it was so pretty and that it felt like a Battlefield
• 55:37
  game. Those are like the three big
• 55:39
  things right off the RIP. The sound was there.
• 55:42
  Like sound is incredibly important in a Battlefield game
• 55:45
  and War Tapes is back and better than ever.
• 55:47
  And War Tapes Val makes it so you have a perfect excuse to say
• 55:51
  you can't hear anybody when you're playing with them because
• 55:54
  it's so freaking loud. But I'm excited, I'm happy.
• 55:59
  I I think that this is a much better spot than 2042 ever could
• 56:03
  have been in leading up to it. I think they've been very
• 56:07
  transparent with this one because this is, I mean,
• 56:09
  essentially 8 days where people have gotten to play this game
• 56:13
  and it's entire, not in its entirety, but four maps, a
• 56:16
  handful of guns, and, you know, things like that.
• 56:19
  I mean, you get a pretty good taste of what you're getting in
• 56:21
  a couple of months from now. And I think that if you're, if
• 56:24
  we're getting this, I mean, today we were happy paying for
• 56:27
  it. You know, we were like, hey,
• 56:28
  like, I'll play it right now if this is what you got.
• 56:31
  And oh, yeah. And I, I mean, at this point,
• 56:35
  I'm inclined to say, let these guys cook for 2 1/2 more months
• 56:38
  and see what we get because if we can get something even
• 56:40
  better, that is really. And I think that's another thing
• 56:43
  to just to wrap up my thoughts on this, one of my favorite
• 56:46
  things about this beta has been how it really feels like DICE
• 56:50
  and Battlefield Studios all together because they're no
• 56:52
  longer called DICE. I keep saying that it makes me
• 56:54
  sad. They're it feels like they're
• 56:58
  actually listening to the community.
• 57:00
  And that has been something that I personally have not felt since
• 57:04
  4:00 because 4 came out and it was dog shit on the PCs and they
• 57:09
  made the community test environment to rectify that.
• 57:11
  And it was a direct outreach to the community going help us make
• 57:16
  it. And the fact that they did
• 57:17
  Battlefield Labs gives me confidence, gives me hope.
• 57:20
  And the fact that this game is so well because of the work that
• 57:23
  those players and better the Battlefield bets have done.
• 57:28
  I think that that makes this game so much better for
• 57:30
  everybody who wants to play it in October.
• 57:32
  And so like the beta has been, I think, a real show of force here
• 57:35
  of like, hey, we're we're here and we mean business.
• 57:36
  We're not here to fuck around and make something stupid.
• 57:40
  No, I'm very excited. Yeah, plain and plain and simple
• 57:43
  for me, I can't think of the last game that I have been, so I
• 57:50
  don't want to say I'm I'm I'm really excited for it.
• 57:52
  I'm fucking so excited for this damn game right, because like
• 57:57
  that from Monday, Tuesday and yesterday, I didn't know what I
• 58:01
  was doing with my life right. I, I was going through fucking
• 58:04
  withdrawals from the beta of this game, right.
• 58:07
  And it's just, I'm again, it feels it, it, it feels like
• 58:15
  battlefield and I'm yeah, like, you know, I'm, I'm excited to
• 58:18
  see, you know, is this the current build of the game or is
• 58:22
  this a month and a half old build of the game that we're
• 58:25
  currently playing right now? So is it going to get so much
• 58:29
  better from now until launch or is it going to be a little bit
• 58:32
  better? You know, I'm, I'm, I'm excited
• 58:35
  to see, maybe EA has turned a new leaf and, you know, maybe
• 58:42
  they won't be shit on anymore. Maybe.
• 58:46
  I would love to agree with that's.
• 58:47
  A big glass of milk. I know I'd look, I know, I know
• 58:51
  it's water. I know it is but like but but
• 58:52
  that's how I oh, it's it's a jug.
• 58:55
  Take the jug of water. A tall order, a tall glass.
• 58:59
  You know what a? Tall, a tall order of water.
• 59:01
  Yeah. Look, I'm, look, I'm, I'm
• 59:03
  excited. I'm, I'm, I'm excited.
• 59:05
  In fact, in fact, I'm excited to end this podcast so I can go
• 59:09
  back to playing it, but we will here we are.
• 59:11
  Sorry. No, Fantastic.
• 59:13
  We're at this right now. I'll keep it simple.
• 59:16
  I'm going to keep it nice and simple.
• 59:18
  I cannot believe you decided to record this when we're wasting
• 59:22
  time. We could be playing it, but go
• 59:24
  off Queen. You know, sweetheart, we're
• 59:26
  going to record, We're going to go play right now.
• 59:27
  We're. Going to record Battlefield.
• 59:29
  Does. Battlefield does what Call of
• 59:31
  Duty don't, and it's remains to be seen even more so in this
• 59:37
  beta. Call of Duty cannot keep pace
• 59:39
  with the things that Battlefield is doing and will continue to
• 59:42
  do. This beta has been a ton of
• 59:46
  things for me, right? Like just awesome moments, great
• 59:49
  times with my friends, great times playing a shooter in FPS
• 59:53
  with my friends again in big team battles.
• 59:56
  It feels epic. It is creating so many awesome
• 59:59
  moments all over again that I had when I was fucking 15 and
• 1:00:03
  even a little younger than that. This this.
• 1:00:07
  Battlefield 6 Beta, I guess to sum it up again, it we're we're
• 1:00:13
  back, it just feels like we're so fucking back.
• 1:00:16
  And again, Battlefield does what Call of Duty fucking don't.
• 1:00:20
  That's where I'm going to leave that at.
• 1:00:22
  Put it on a T-shirt. Oh, dude, that's the title of
• 1:00:25
  the episode. I have to, but yeah, I'll put
• 1:00:26
  that on a T-shirt. Oh yeah, thank you Evan and
• 1:00:30
  Elliot for hopping on the show. Let's go play fucking
• 1:00:33
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• 1:00:35
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• 1:00:45
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• 1:00:48
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• 1:00:49
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• 1:00:51
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• 1:01:35
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