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Steve Price | 22 August · Steve Price

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Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price. We're going to Friday Nights.
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Speaker 1: I'm Steve Price. At the end of a huge week
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Speaker 1: in global and local news, including of course Sky's Shari
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Speaker 1: Markson with Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Natan, Yahoo Plus at Home,
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Speaker 1: that roundtable that's coming after your Savings more on that
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Speaker 1: shortly coming up. And I've talked over and over and
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Speaker 1: over about this, the real genuine white hot anger in
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Speaker 1: the bush around renewable energy projects being forced on farmers
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Speaker 1: dividing communities. There will be a news limited bush summit
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Speaker 1: in Ballarad in Victoria next week that will be ugly
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Speaker 1: because the farmers will make a big noise about it.
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Speaker 1: David Davis, Shadow Energy and Resources Minister, will join us shortly.
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Speaker 1: Brisbane's story bridge the Pro Palestine March this weekend. It's
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Speaker 1: been ruled illegal, but protests vow they're going to go
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Speaker 1: ahead anyway. We'll catch up with Friday regular from Queensland,
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Speaker 1: Campbell Newman, the former Premier, and the hypocrisy of the
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Speaker 1: AFL on full show. Convict criminal rapper Snoop Dog, despite
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Speaker 1: past lyrics that include the demeaning of women and homophobic slurs,
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Speaker 1: hired at the cost of many millions of dollars to
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Speaker 1: appear as the headline act at the Grand Final, while
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Speaker 1: Adelaide Crow's player, likely Isaac Rankin, won't be there for
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Speaker 1: using the same word, I'll take you to Adelaide where
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Speaker 1: South Australians I can tell you are very, very angry.
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Speaker 1: But first tonight, if you're watching us and you are
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Speaker 1: a baby boomer, or you're over the age of old,
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Speaker 1: pick the age sixty, perhaps retired or still working well
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Speaker 1: beyond the age you thought you would be able to retire.
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Speaker 1: Things after that three day talk fest in Canberra are
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Speaker 1: about to get a whole lot worse for you and
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Speaker 1: for that matter, for me, as major global corporates like Chevron,
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Speaker 1: Australia's PHP and our own Rio Tinto and Ross Greener
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Speaker 1: will have an interview on this on Business Sunday, as
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Speaker 1: they realize America is the place to make money and
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Speaker 1: Australia is the place that just makes it too hard
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Speaker 1: to be profitable and is run by people who despise
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Speaker 1: energy companies and the trade union movement who want five
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Speaker 1: days pay for four days work. Well, the Treasurer Jim
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Speaker 1: Chalmers has turned his greedy eyes onto your retirement. He
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Speaker 1: might be using tricky language like intergenerational wealth, which means
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Speaker 1: rich old folk. But don't be fooled. He's coming for
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Speaker 1: your superannuation and if he can, family trusts, maybe even
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Speaker 1: the family home. Anyone who's worked hard and had the
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Speaker 1: hide to invest in property throw an ev owners with
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Speaker 1: a road user charge. Watch that ending up on petrol
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Speaker 1: vehicles down the track and you can see what came
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Speaker 1: out of that cabinet room filled with union officials, lobbyists,
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Speaker 1: teals and folk like the head of the lefty outfit
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Speaker 1: called the Gratton Institute. Now, this person, who I have
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Speaker 1: actually never heard of, is a Runa satham Apali and
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Speaker 1: as Judah Sloan, writing in The Australian Today points out,
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Speaker 1: she held court at the Round Tame, agitating, wait for it,
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Speaker 1: for higher taxes on the elderly. There's your intergenerational thingy
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Speaker 1: that means higher taxes on your superannuation and other ressets
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Speaker 1: like in an investment property that you might have saved
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Speaker 1: Scrimpton saved to buy it. Seems Jim Chalmers bought that argument.
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Speaker 1: Have a listen to him.
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Speaker 2: I think our tax system is imperfect and one of
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Speaker 2: its most troubling imperfections is best seen through an intergenerational lens.
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Speaker 2: And what I mean by that, and really almost everybody
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Speaker 2: around the table had a similar view, which is we
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Speaker 2: take our responsibilities to the coming generation seriously.
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Speaker 1: Almost everybody, not everybody, And make no mistake, intergenerational lens
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Speaker 1: means he's looking at your super and your investments. That's
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Speaker 1: what he's looking at. Now. This is despite that the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister four days ago ruled out any new tax
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Speaker 1: As James Patterson pointed out on Sky.
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Speaker 3: Today, Antheoberinezi only said last week that the government would
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Speaker 3: not make any tax changes that they didn't take to
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Speaker 3: the election, and yet Jim Chalmers wasn't able to make
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Speaker 3: that same commitment at his press conference yesterday and is
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Speaker 3: ominously talking about what sound like quite significant tax changes
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Speaker 3: to fix his spending problem.
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Speaker 1: James nailed it, and Judith points out in her column
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Speaker 1: in her review of what happened in Canberra this week,
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Speaker 1: these oldies like you and me were once young ourselves,
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Speaker 1: as she says, we paid very high income tax rates
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Speaker 1: all our lives. I still am had mortgages with horrendous
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Speaker 1: interest rates attached to them. Remember sixteen seventeen percent interest
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Speaker 1: rates under Paul Keating and in our day there was
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Speaker 1: relatively few. This is Judah Sloan pointing this out. Free
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Speaker 1: public services we saved and as Judith points out, when
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Speaker 1: super came in, we were forced by the government to
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Speaker 1: save and now they clearly want to stick their greedy
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Speaker 1: hands into those savings. Now, Chalmers seemed yesterday to suggest
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Speaker 1: most of the people around that table agreed this was
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Speaker 1: a good idea to attack the elderly. Really not, he says,
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Speaker 1: I suspect everybody ted O'Brien. I hope wasn't from the
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Speaker 1: Libs and the business lobbyists. I presume we're not nodding
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Speaker 1: in approval. I suspect the tie La Legras spender was
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Speaker 1: on the yes side. Judith also makes a great point
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Speaker 1: about the current crop of parents who have had to
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Speaker 1: support their children at home for longer. Kids are living
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Speaker 1: at home into their mid twenties, up to their thirties.
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Speaker 1: Then you had the laughable comment from ACTU boss Sally
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Speaker 1: McManus who said a lowering of the tax rate does
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Speaker 1: not improve living standards. I mean really so after three
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Speaker 1: days and despite assurances from Anthony Albanezi, we can see
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Speaker 1: where this is all headed treasury. Public servants know the
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Speaker 1: PM and his cabinet will not rain in their spending.
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Speaker 1: That's not in their DNA. They want to shovel as
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Speaker 1: much of your money as they can get their hands
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Speaker 1: on into social policies, think childcare, the ndis paid maternity leave,
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Speaker 1: including superannuation. They don't have money to keep doing that,
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Speaker 1: so they're coming after yours. This three day thing was
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Speaker 1: a stitch up, and Charmers outed himself when asked about
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Speaker 1: increased taxes when he said, well, that's a matter for cabinet.
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Speaker 1: I can tell you get set for a poorer retirement
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Speaker 1: on less money. I'll catch up with economist Saul Slack
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Speaker 1: later in the program. Let's stick in Victoria. Go to
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Speaker 1: the front page of the Herald Sun today and the
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Speaker 1: growing backlash. And I've been talking about this for many,
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Speaker 1: many weeks. And so's Peter Kredlin against the Allen government's
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Speaker 1: renewables plan. This is hammering transmission lines through farmers properties. Now.
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Speaker 1: The Herald Son's Mood of the Bush survey has found
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Speaker 1: the number of regional Victorians who support the renewable energy
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Speaker 1: transition has plummeted to forty four percent. That's down from
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Speaker 1: sixty six percent three years ago. It's plummeted because people
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Speaker 1: have found out what's going to go, it's actually going
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Speaker 1: to happen. Joining me now is Victorian Shadow Energy and
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Speaker 1: Resources Minister. I think we find David Davis in Perth tonight.
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Speaker 1: Is that why it's collapsed because suddenly the detail which
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Speaker 1: has been kept secret, it's now out there and people
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Speaker 1: know what is exactly is going to happen.
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Speaker 4: Well, the Transmission Plan has been released in recent days
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Speaker 4: and it's a doozy new renewable energy zones that haven't
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Speaker 4: been properly consulted. Many of these were a big surprise
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Speaker 4: to farmers and the cost of the plan going up massively.
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Speaker 4: Parallel with that, the government indicating it's going to force
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Speaker 4: its way forward arrogantly, not consulting properly, and they've got
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Speaker 4: a bill in the Parliament now that will give them
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Speaker 4: additional powers to go onto properties, to remove tractors, to
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Speaker 4: lock people up. These are draconian powers. You know, it's
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Speaker 4: no wonder support has slipped. There's an arrogant approach by
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Speaker 4: the government and this suite of new powers and I
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Speaker 4: think people now are digging into this transmission plan and
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Speaker 4: they're saying, gee, this doesn't look too good. It looks
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Speaker 4: like a lot of money, you know. Bruce Mountain and
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Speaker 4: others have said could be twenty eight billion dollars or more.
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Speaker 4: Even the government has not been honest about the cost.
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Speaker 4: But they've certainly not been fair or reasonable with country communities.
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Speaker 4: They're going to steamroll those country communities and clob them
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Speaker 4: with this big new stick of the bill that they've got.
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Speaker 5: In the Parliament.
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Speaker 1: I mean, David, you know that one of the really
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Speaker 1: sad aspects of this, I think is it is setting
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Speaker 1: neighbor against neighbor. So there's been secret negotiations, particularly over
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Speaker 1: this transmission line project coming out of southern New South
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Speaker 1: Wales into Victoria, where these companies have gone to people
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Speaker 1: and said, look, if you host these transmission lines, we'll
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Speaker 1: pay you this amount of money over this amount of time.
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Speaker 1: But they haven't told the neighbor that that's happening. And
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Speaker 1: so you've now got these wonderful little country towns where
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Speaker 1: people don't trust each other anymore. I mean, who would
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Speaker 1: have a very divisi in a place like that.
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Speaker 4: It's very, very divisive. The government has not looked at
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Speaker 4: this at a proper community level, has not worked with
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Speaker 4: communities and councils on it. In fact, they're just steamrolling
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Speaker 4: their way through. They're saying we're going to do this,
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Speaker 4: it's our way or the highway, and that we're going
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Speaker 4: to take all these extra powers to enable us to
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Speaker 4: do whatever we want to do. So the V and
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Speaker 4: I West project that you're referring to, that connects New
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Speaker 4: South Wales and Victoria, it's years late, massively over budget.
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Speaker 4: Starts at about three point two billion, it's now it's
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Speaker 4: seven point six with an upper cap fifty percent more
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Speaker 4: than that. Might be as much as eleven point four
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Speaker 4: billion dollars to build.
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Speaker 1: Just that line.
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Speaker 4: And as you say, in those communities, there's not a
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Speaker 4: lot of warmth towards it. A few landholders might like it,
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Speaker 4: but most landholders and most farmers and most parts of
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Speaker 4: the community really don't like this. They think it's arrogant
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Speaker 4: and they're paying the price. They're not being given the
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Speaker 4: proper engagement, the proper listening, the proper steps on this.
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Speaker 4: Even if you thought it was a good idea, the
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Speaker 4: government's gone around it the wrong way.
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Speaker 1: Must keep you awake at night thinking you might inherit
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Speaker 1: this mess.
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Speaker 4: Look, this is going to be a very tough outing
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Speaker 4: and one of the things that we're critical of is
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Speaker 4: the lack of truthfulness by the government, and I think
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Speaker 4: Bruce Mountain in his article today in the Paper he
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Speaker 4: pinged this very closely. The government's been very sneaky and
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Speaker 4: dodgy with a lot of its figures. So I don't
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Speaker 4: think in truth anyone knows the true total.
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Speaker 1: Cost of a lot of the proposals.
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Speaker 4: So one of the things that's going to have to
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Speaker 4: be done is these are going to have to be
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Speaker 4: looked at very closely to see what's going on here,
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Speaker 4: and we need to have a system that listens to communities.
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Speaker 4: We've said these draconian new powers should be I presume
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Speaker 4: when it gets to the Parliament this week it'll be supported.
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Speaker 4: I think that's the most likely thing. In the Parliament.
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Speaker 4: We will certainly vote against the powers, but if elected,
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Speaker 4: will remove those powers. We say no more power for
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Speaker 4: government on this matter.
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Speaker 1: Lily dia Ambrosio, who is the minister, she claims it
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Speaker 1: will cost Victorians nine point six billion not to proceed
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Speaker 1: with the plan. What does she mean by.
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Speaker 4: That, Well, I think she says that if they don't
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Speaker 4: complete it, there'll be additional costs generated. But the truth
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Speaker 4: of the matter is she's not been upfront and honest
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Speaker 4: about the actual costs and how much more that's going
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Speaker 4: to add to bills. It's likely twenty eight billion dollar
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Speaker 4: or more. It's very hard to get to the bottom figure,
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Speaker 4: but that's likely to be in that order. And this
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Speaker 4: would add about, you know, fifty percent to power bills
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Speaker 4: for most Victorians, so you know, the supply charge levees
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Speaker 4: on these matters would go up fivefold. Victorians could easily
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Speaker 4: see more than a fifty percent increase in their in
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Speaker 4: their power bills. So that and even more for commercial operators.
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Speaker 4: So you know, we've already got bills going up and
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Speaker 4: up and up, and Victorians are you know, the most
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Speaker 4: Victorian's got a letter in the mail from their provider,
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Speaker 4: you know, announcing more rises on the first of August. Well,
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Speaker 4: stay tuned, Lily. Dan Brosi's approach is going to see
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Speaker 4: even more rises, more increases in power bills, and if
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Speaker 4: they push through with this transmission plan, further massive increases.
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Speaker 1: And the problem is we've got Chris Bowen in the
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Speaker 1: background push it all. David David Sanks for joining us
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Speaker 1: on Friday Night. Appreciate it. We'll catch up again soon.
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Speaker 1: Joining me now is my Friday Night regular from a
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Speaker 1: Queensland Premier Campbell Newman, Queensland is now in the gun
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Speaker 1: for this pro Palestine rally, Campbell. Great to see you
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Speaker 1: time when tensions you know, obviously at a high point
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Speaker 1: between Jewish Australians and those supporting Palestine anti Semitisms that
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Speaker 1: are at an all time high. Let's start with this
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Speaker 1: court decision to block the march over the story Bridge.
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Speaker 1: What reasons did the court give to do that.
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Speaker 6: Well, it was all around about the issues of public
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Speaker 6: safety and the police were able to convince the court
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Speaker 6: that they were very worried that this thing could get
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Speaker 6: out of hand, particularly with large numbers. The story bridge
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Speaker 6: doesn't have exactly the safest pedestrian walkways on it. On
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Speaker 6: thee eyes, it does have sort of netting mesh that
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Speaker 6: was put up some years ago to sadly stop people,
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Speaker 6: you know, doing the unthinkable. But you know, the police
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Speaker 6: were worried about the ability to safely run such an event.
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Speaker 6: And look, look the bottom line is I think most
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Speaker 6: fair minded Brisbane residents wouldn't want to see the inconvenience.
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Speaker 6: And by the way, there's an event at the same
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Speaker 6: time on the Gabba which the police were concerned about
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Speaker 6: clashes in terms of you know, people moving across the
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Speaker 6: story Bridge from the North side of Brisbane to the
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Speaker 6: Gabba grounds. So yeah, but I think people are over
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Speaker 6: this stuff. I don't have a problem with people protesting.
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Speaker 6: I don't have them problem with the marching through the
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Speaker 6: city or going to King George Square, which has traditionally
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Speaker 6: been a place of protest in Brisbane. But you know,
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Speaker 6: it's thicking to your nose and saying, you know, we
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Speaker 6: don't care, We're going to inconvenience. The whole city is
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Speaker 6: a complete pain in the proverbial. Oh and by the way,
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Speaker 6: it's interesting you know, of course, who's one of the
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Speaker 6: key figures behind it. Well, they might well have burna
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Speaker 6: Green's a candidate in the House of Representatives elections at
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Speaker 6: some stage.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that wouldn't surprise anybody at all. I mean we
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Speaker 1: saw almost when that huge protest marched across the Sydney
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Speaker 1: Harbor Bridge that at one point the police got so
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Speaker 1: concerned that they send out emergency text messages to the
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Speaker 1: people who are heading in one direction, urging them to
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Speaker 1: turn around and go back the other way so cleanly.
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Speaker 1: The Queensland Police and the courts have looked at that
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Speaker 1: and thought, well, we don't want to repeat that mistake here.
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Speaker 6: Well, absolutely, and I applaud that, but again I just
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Speaker 6: I really think that groups are choosing to shut down
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Speaker 6: the bridge in this way, really really taking mickey. It's
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Speaker 6: a terrible inconvenience and I mean the Brisbane River is
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Speaker 6: a big choke point for us and the story Bridge
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Speaker 6: is critically important. Yes, we have an alternative, bring the
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Speaker 6: clam seven tunnel, which is sort of downstairs under the river,
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Speaker 6: but that involves people paying a toll, So people going
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Speaker 6: to pay a toll to deal with the inconvenience of
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Speaker 6: these characters.
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Speaker 5: Wanting to protest.
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Speaker 6: We know that they care deeply about it, that's their right,
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Speaker 6: but to shut down a city and inconvenience people on
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Speaker 6: their weekend I think is just not on.
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Speaker 1: Well, Melbourne's had a propell estin in March just about
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Speaker 1: every weekend for the almost two years, and it's quite aggressive.
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Speaker 1: There's elements of socialist alliance in these crowds who stir
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Speaker 1: everybody up, get into the face of police and they
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Speaker 1: start spitting and swearing and calling the police killers and
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Speaker 1: all of that stuff. Has it been as aggressive as
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Speaker 1: that in Queensland or in Brisbane.
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Speaker 6: No, it certainly hasn't, Steve, And I guess that's the
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Speaker 6: difference between Brisbane and Melbourne. I mean, Melbourne people seem
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Speaker 6: to do protest. You know, if there was an Olympics
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Speaker 6: for protest, I think Melbourne would win, you know, gold gold,
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Speaker 6: It's gold for Melbourne. And I'm sorry that's probably one
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Speaker 6: of the reasons I wouldn't want to live there, with
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Speaker 6: the greatest respect, mate, but yeah, I don't think there's
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Speaker 6: the same level of ankst up here. There's obviously people
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Speaker 6: who care about the issue, and good luck to them.
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Speaker 6: I personally think they've skated over what was done to
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Speaker 6: Israel and I will always support Israel in terms of
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Speaker 6: what they need to protect themselves and their community and
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Speaker 6: that should never be forgotten. And this could all have
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Speaker 6: ended a long time ago if Hamas had handed back
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Speaker 6: the hostages. And I think what we're seeing by the
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Speaker 6: way from world leaders, our own prime minister and many
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Speaker 6: others etc. Around the world, I think is just weakness,
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Speaker 6: total weakness. It's something that the Ronald Reagan's or the
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Speaker 6: Margaret thatches a second week in a row on quoting
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Speaker 6: them would never have done because they got what was
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Speaker 6: really at stake.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, as opposed to say, let's have a listen to
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Speaker 1: Larissa Waters from the Greens and what she thinks of
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Speaker 1: the march. Look, it's a.
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Speaker 7: Real shame that a peaceful gathering of folk marching saying
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Speaker 7: that they want Australia to be working for global peace
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Speaker 7: has been ruled to be unlawful when an actual genocide
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Speaker 7: that is a breach of international law is continuing unabated.
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Speaker 7: The irony of that is really clear. Folk want to
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Speaker 7: peacefully march for peace and yet they've been prohibited by
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Speaker 7: the courts from going over a particular bridge. I know
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Speaker 7: people will still want to gather. I'll still be joining
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Speaker 7: them in that gathering.
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Speaker 1: Camelo. I can't help but notice the watermelonear rings, which
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Speaker 1: is pretty appropriate given the greens these days or anything
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Speaker 1: but green. They're actually read on the inside exactly. I
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Speaker 1: don't know if she was doing that for a joke
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Speaker 1: or what, whether she thought no one had not well
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Speaker 1: there it is, I mean, does she really know what
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Speaker 1: the word genocide means?
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Speaker 6: Look, I'm sorry. I need to be very careful about
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Speaker 6: comedy about Senator Waters because I'll get myself into trouble
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Speaker 6: and maybe Sky into trouble if I said what I
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Speaker 6: really think. You know. But look, you know, as I
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Speaker 6: said earlier, there's a former Greens candidate who Senator Waters
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Speaker 6: would know well, who is a key figure in trying
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Speaker 6: to organize this. So it's highly political, as they have
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Speaker 6: been in Melbourne. And you know, we shouldn't forget that
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Speaker 6: the Left have been anti Israel since nineteen forty eight.
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Speaker 6: Basically there's no change there and this has just been
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Speaker 6: a great opportunity for them. Supported democracy. I support a
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Speaker 6: country that has been attacked and attacked and attacked for
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Speaker 6: its very existence over the many decades. I've got a memory,
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Speaker 6: I know the history, and that's why I support Israel
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Speaker 6: and their cause.
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Speaker 1: I think if you and I keep having this Friday
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Speaker 1: chat every Friday, you're going to finally convince me to
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Speaker 1: move to Queensland.
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Speaker 6: Well you should, mate, absolutely, I think you'd get on
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Speaker 6: really well up here.
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Speaker 5: I think you'd really enjoy the plays there.
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Speaker 1: It's very tempting. Campbell. Thank you. I'll see your next Friday. Campbell, Newman.
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Speaker 1: They're coming up after the break. Former homicide detective Charlie
20:43
Speaker 1: Berzina on Victoria's worsing crime crisis. I've written about it
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Speaker 1: again today. It's out of control. Plus the latest in
20:51
Speaker 1: the controversy of the AFL's decision to ban and Adelaide
20:54
Speaker 1: Crow's football player over what they said is a homophobic
20:58
Speaker 1: slur despite then high ring Snoop Dogg a rapper for
21:02
Speaker 1: the Grand Final entertainment. Unbelievable, welcome back. I'll go back
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Speaker 1: to that Jim Chalmers waste of time up in Canberra
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Speaker 1: for three days in a minute. But I spoke yesterday
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Speaker 1: when I was feeling in for bit of kredline with
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Speaker 1: former Victorian Premier Jeff Kennett, now the former premier. He
21:19
Speaker 1: was Premier Victoria for nine years. Expressed, I think what
21:21
Speaker 1: many of us have been feeling about the state, and
21:24
Speaker 1: it's sad. It's really sad, and I don't understand why
21:28
Speaker 1: the government doesn't address this spiraling crime crisis. Now. This
21:32
Speaker 1: came after he Jeffrey described the state as being eft.
21:36
Speaker 1: Here's a little of what Jeff had to say yesterday.
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Speaker 8: Right now our security is at risk. We're not living
21:43
Speaker 8: in a third world country. We're living in Australia and
21:46
Speaker 8: the government doesn't care. So yes, I was frustrated, and
21:50
Speaker 8: I publicly apologize for using the word.
21:52
Speaker 1: But that's how I feel. I am so pissed off.
21:57
Speaker 1: Joining me now from a homicide squad, Detective Charlie was
22:00
Speaker 1: having the studio again. He's I mean, Jeffrey gets upset,
22:04
Speaker 1: but I've never seen him quite that angry. And he
22:08
Speaker 1: was always a person who, as you know, talk the
22:10
Speaker 1: state up.
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Speaker 9: He's had it absolutely at f Yeah, absolutely, And I
22:14
Speaker 9: think he's not alone.
22:15
Speaker 5: I think we all feel the same.
22:16
Speaker 9: We all are so afraid out there with what's happening
22:19
Speaker 9: because it's not getting any better. And what concerns me
22:22
Speaker 9: also is we're not getting our senior police command coming
22:25
Speaker 9: out to reassure the community. They're deafening silence is concerning
22:29
Speaker 9: for me.
22:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, yesterday alone, you had a woman who
22:32
Speaker 1: was trying to go to Balley with her kids, goes,
22:35
Speaker 1: puts the keys in the ignition of car, some block
22:37
Speaker 1: comes up and drives off with their passports and luggage.
22:39
Speaker 1: Absolutely no senior police coming out talking about that. The
22:44
Speaker 1: day before, a man allegedly stabbed eleven times in the head,
22:48
Speaker 1: kid with a machete who was out on bail and
22:51
Speaker 1: a police all allegend he was involved in this. You
22:54
Speaker 1: need bloke, you need people with big stars on the epple.
22:57
Speaker 1: Let's gorect Okay, enough's enough.
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Speaker 9: And I think that they're hamstrung. And I think you
23:02
Speaker 9: touched upon it or Jeff did. About the numbers. Two
23:05
Speaker 9: thousand down. We're going to lose another five hundred closer
23:08
Speaker 9: to the if not more, because of this EB agreement
23:11
Speaker 9: about losing their sick leave and their likes.
23:13
Speaker 1: And so seven hundred between now the year and then.
23:16
Speaker 5: That's conservative, really, but that's conservative.
23:18
Speaker 9: And they are at the upper excellent of supervisors.
23:23
Speaker 5: So we're going to lose those And that was from.
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Speaker 9: An EB that was done by the unit, by the
23:26
Speaker 9: police union. Now they are subservient to the government.
23:30
Speaker 1: As the morale in the force when you touch.
23:32
Speaker 9: A shoelace shoelace level, and it's not getting any better.
23:36
Speaker 9: Every time I talk to someone, oh someone and so,
23:38
Speaker 9: oh he's left, he's left. These talented people are leaving
23:42
Speaker 9: Victoria Police because of the problems and they can see
23:45
Speaker 9: the political interference.
23:47
Speaker 5: It's there.
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Speaker 1: I spoke yesterday to an old friend of yours and
23:49
Speaker 1: mind Andrew rule Pen that great column on page one
23:53
Speaker 1: of the Herald Son. He told me that he spoke
23:56
Speaker 1: off the record to a senior judicial figure in the
23:59
Speaker 1: last twenty forurs after that column was written. This person
24:02
Speaker 1: rang him and he said there was a group of
24:04
Speaker 1: magistrates who simply do not want to send youth offenders
24:08
Speaker 1: into detention.
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Speaker 5: And I think that's come out earlier too.
24:10
Speaker 9: So that's across the board because you are getting these
24:13
Speaker 9: lefty magistrates and judges out there.
24:15
Speaker 5: But that can be fixed. Who appoints judges and magistrates.
24:18
Speaker 9: The government does, so they've got to sit down with
24:20
Speaker 9: them and say, right, we want to push our safety
24:22
Speaker 9: of the community, the new bar laws. Okay, it's all
24:25
Speaker 9: about No, it's not. If it's safety about community. These
24:28
Speaker 9: receivitous offenders, you comit an offense. And even that the
24:32
Speaker 9: one that they broke into this guy's house, they stabbed
24:35
Speaker 9: him and they beat him with a hammer and shot him.
24:37
Speaker 9: The four um they videoed themselves. They only recently been
24:39
Speaker 9: apprehended by the police. Now those ones and the a
24:43
Speaker 9: couple of got bailed, well they should be in You're
24:46
Speaker 9: going to be in custody. That's where we've got to
24:48
Speaker 9: be and start mandating from the government down to these
24:52
Speaker 9: people and give him no choice because it's not your decision.
24:54
Speaker 5: You're not making the community safe.
24:56
Speaker 1: Do you feel safe?
24:57
Speaker 5: I don't. I don't, And I'll tell you I got
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Speaker 5: what we all got.
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Speaker 9: We've got equalizers at home, and anyone comes into my house,
25:04
Speaker 9: they might not be living in the same condition that
25:06
Speaker 9: they came in.
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Speaker 5: I can tell you that now quite openly.
25:09
Speaker 1: I wrote to today it's up online, I being the
25:11
Speaker 1: Herald Sun tomorrow about Apex Street. I went out there,
25:13
Speaker 1: the reason being in two thousand and six we got
25:16
Speaker 1: what was called the Apex Gang. Now, originally the police said, okay,
25:20
Speaker 1: we've got a gang. They're called Apex. They're made up
25:23
Speaker 1: mainly of South Sudanese and Pacific Islanders. When I had
25:26
Speaker 1: backtracked over how that was then subsequently reported, all of
25:30
Speaker 1: the references of ethnicity disappeared, The word gang disappeared direct
25:34
Speaker 1: We were never allowed to mention it. There were politicians
25:37
Speaker 1: going around saying there is no gang problem in Melbourne.
25:40
Speaker 5: Correct.
25:41
Speaker 9: And this goes back twenty five years and I always
25:44
Speaker 9: bring it up. Christian Nixon, she made a decree in
25:47
Speaker 9: Victoria police. No police officer was to refer to the
25:50
Speaker 9: word gangs. We do not have gangs in Victoria. So
25:53
Speaker 9: that's in two thousand.
25:54
Speaker 1: So that's twenty five years exactly.
25:56
Speaker 9: And now it's manifested over this period to where we
25:58
Speaker 9: are today. So we're paying the legacy of mismanagement by
26:02
Speaker 9: police leaders and all have gone soft on it.
26:04
Speaker 5: Same as the demonstrations. We've gone soft.
26:06
Speaker 9: Look where we are with all our demonstrations every Sunday,
26:09
Speaker 9: shutting down this great city.
26:10
Speaker 5: It's a disgrace.
26:12
Speaker 1: The boss of super retail today, I mean a whole
26:15
Speaker 1: bunch of retail stores. He described Victoria as the nation's
26:20
Speaker 1: crime capital, Anthony Heer, it is his name. He said.
26:23
Speaker 1: His rebel stores, as a direct quote, have been the
26:26
Speaker 1: subject of quote industrial scale theft. What happens is three
26:31
Speaker 1: or four of these characters walk into a rebel store
26:33
Speaker 1: with a bag loaded up with shoes, clothing and just
26:36
Speaker 1: walk out.
26:37
Speaker 9: Correct, Correct, that's only one. When they're doing licensed premise.
26:39
Speaker 1: Is a classic broken window thing. You can't put up
26:42
Speaker 1: with that.
26:42
Speaker 5: Correct, And they're not sitting back now.
26:45
Speaker 9: Look as unfortunate as it is, we make it quite
26:47
Speaker 9: clear the police can't do it. The police can't be there.
26:51
Speaker 9: So when we've got a complonment like rebel Sport for example,
26:55
Speaker 9: and they're making a major profit, okay, they've got to
26:58
Speaker 9: start engaging. They want to pretend their staff, start engaging.
27:01
Speaker 9: Security officers that can act like that. Security officers at
27:04
Speaker 9: a pub grab these mongrels, put them in a little box.
27:08
Speaker 9: Wait till that was four or five hours, Say be
27:10
Speaker 9: it till the police get these that legal. Well, it
27:13
Speaker 9: is because in my day that what we call floor
27:16
Speaker 9: walkers can grab them. Now the bouncer exactly. So do
27:21
Speaker 9: we get to a stage we may do that. We're
27:23
Speaker 9: going to have armed guards in shops. You know, you
27:26
Speaker 9: can't have a guard with a lot of its in
27:28
Speaker 9: Europe all over the place, and that's.
27:30
Speaker 5: Where we're heading. We're not learning by their mistakes.
27:32
Speaker 7: You know.
27:32
Speaker 9: Even these demonstrations the last time we had in Spinster
27:35
Speaker 9: Street they started burning plastic rubbish bins.
27:38
Speaker 5: We're going to end up with them looting.
27:40
Speaker 9: How are the shops in that we're going to get
27:42
Speaker 9: like America and France and all these other places and
27:44
Speaker 9: burning cars. That's the way we're heading because they're not
27:48
Speaker 9: cutting it off at the past, like they didn't with
27:50
Speaker 9: the youth crime back in two thousand.
27:52
Speaker 5: Head in the sand, it'll go away.
27:54
Speaker 9: It just got when you never heard of car carjackings, home invasions.
27:58
Speaker 5: Now that carries twenty plus years.
28:00
Speaker 1: In Swan Street Rich the other day happens a boot
28:02
Speaker 1: of all that hard to put something in there. It
28:04
Speaker 1: both jumps in, tries to drive off. Sony didn't lose
28:07
Speaker 1: her car because some good Samaritans came around and grabbed
28:10
Speaker 1: the bit.
28:10
Speaker 9: But it's a psychological effect on all of us, and
28:13
Speaker 9: ultimately that could be anybody going about their business and
28:16
Speaker 9: you're walking around and you're swiveling your head all the
28:19
Speaker 9: time because you think you're going to be attacked.
28:21
Speaker 5: That's not the city we want to live in.
28:23
Speaker 9: It is incumbent upon the government, followed by the police
28:26
Speaker 9: as best as they can do. But it's also a
28:29
Speaker 9: situation where private enterprise, these major shopping centers, they have
28:33
Speaker 9: to engage more security people that can actually engage with
28:37
Speaker 9: these and hold these mongrels till they get there.
28:40
Speaker 1: I tell you what I'm going to do. I know
28:42
Speaker 1: you're very big on youth camps and trying to turn
28:45
Speaker 1: these kids around. Often they don't have fathers, or they
28:48
Speaker 1: come from broken homes. I'll talk to the group that
28:50
Speaker 1: you've identified. I'll talk to them next week while I'm
28:52
Speaker 1: feeling in fantastic Charlie. Good to see you again, mate,
28:55
Speaker 1: Thanks so coming up after the break the wash up
28:57
Speaker 1: from that productivity round table. So how progressive with these
29:00
Speaker 1: so called reforms be? And plus Victoria has notched up
29:04
Speaker 1: the nation's highest unemployment rate, no surprise, So how do
29:08
Speaker 1: we dig ourselves out of that mess? Go to the
29:14
Speaker 1: hypocrisy of the AFL shortly, but I want to go
29:16
Speaker 1: to the wash up on that federal government Productivity Commission
29:20
Speaker 1: round table, whatever you want to call it. Let's bring
29:22
Speaker 1: in very, very well qualified economists. One of the bost
29:26
Speaker 1: senior in the country, saw Le Slake I saw I
29:28
Speaker 1: said at the top of the program. If you're over sixty, retired,
29:32
Speaker 1: maybe still working part time, You've got a decent super
29:35
Speaker 1: nest egg, perhaps an Invos investment property look out. Jim
29:39
Speaker 1: Chalmers is coming for you.
29:41
Speaker 8: Well.
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Speaker 10: Certainly the roundtable appears to have given the government license
29:47
Speaker 10: not to make any changes to any taxes before the
29:52
Speaker 10: next election, other than the three changes that they foreshadowed
29:56
Speaker 10: during the last election campaign, of which the most notorious
29:59
Speaker 10: is the post increase in tax on superbalances of more
30:03
Speaker 10: than three million dollars. The government will, i think, between
30:08
Speaker 10: now and the next election, be canvassing options to raise
30:12
Speaker 10: more tax from older and wealthier Australians in order to
30:17
Speaker 10: give it room to lower tax on younger and less
30:22
Speaker 10: well off Australians. And that's something that will presumably be
30:27
Speaker 10: the subject of political context contests between now and the
30:31
Speaker 10: next election and during the next election. But you know,
30:34
Speaker 10: Prime Minister Alberonisi, who is instinctively cautious, has explicitly ruled
30:39
Speaker 10: out this government doing in the current term anything other
30:43
Speaker 10: than the measures they announced that they would do before
30:46
Speaker 10: the last election.
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Speaker 1: Well that's right, except, I mean Jim Chalmers came out
30:51
Speaker 1: and gave his wrap up speech talked about intergenerational gap.
30:55
Speaker 1: I'd like to get your explanation about what that might be.
31:01
Speaker 1: But if the budget is in such a state that
31:04
Speaker 1: they need to get income from somewhere, I mean, Albanize
31:09
Speaker 1: will probably be convinced. Whony. I mean, the key quote
31:12
Speaker 1: for me so was when Chalmers said, well, any of
31:15
Speaker 1: these changes will be discussed by cabinet. Doesn't that leave
31:19
Speaker 1: it open to a cabinet decision to go Sorry, Albo,
31:22
Speaker 1: we're actually going to do this.
31:24
Speaker 10: Well, yes, of course, in theory, cabinet can make any
31:27
Speaker 10: decision that a majority of cabinet members are willing to make.
31:30
Speaker 10: But it's pretty unusual for cabinet members to overrule the
31:34
Speaker 10: Prime Minister, who is first among equals, if you like,
31:38
Speaker 10: who occasionally makes captain's calls. It's pretty unusual for cabinet
31:43
Speaker 10: to overrule the Prime Minister when he has been as
31:46
Speaker 10: explicit as mister Albaniz he has been that they're not
31:48
Speaker 10: going to make any tax changes in the current term
31:51
Speaker 10: other than the ones that they talked about before the
31:54
Speaker 10: most recent federal election. As I say, I think Jim
31:57
Speaker 10: Chalmers has got license from this weeks roundtable to talk
32:01
Speaker 10: about and maybe to argue the case for taking bigger
32:06
Speaker 10: tax reforms to the next election. You know, in much
32:09
Speaker 10: the same way as when John Howard first elected in
32:11
Speaker 10: nineteen ninety six he said they'd never over be a
32:14
Speaker 10: GSD under his government, and then during his first term
32:18
Speaker 10: he was persuaded that there should be one, but rather
32:20
Speaker 10: than introducing it in his first term, he went to
32:23
Speaker 10: the people arguing the case for one, but people accepted
32:27
Speaker 10: that narrowly. He then introduced the GSD, and because he
32:30
Speaker 10: had a budget surplus to draw on at the time,
32:33
Speaker 10: he was able legitimately to say that the tax reforms
32:36
Speaker 10: that his government introduced in two thousand made everyone better off.
32:40
Speaker 5: You know.
32:40
Speaker 10: The current problem is, of course, that we've got federal
32:42
Speaker 10: budget deficits now as far as the eye can see,
32:45
Speaker 10: and it's simply not possible to do tax reform in
32:48
Speaker 10: a way that makes everyone better off. Some people are
32:52
Speaker 10: going to be worse off, and the government has to
32:55
Speaker 10: make political calculations as to who they're going to be.
32:58
Speaker 10: They're probably going to be people who are not natural
33:01
Speaker 10: labor voters, or perhaps people such as in the Act
33:06
Speaker 10: you who are always going to vote labor no matter
33:08
Speaker 10: what the government of the day the government does. The
33:11
Speaker 10: other thing that I think is see it into mister
33:13
Speaker 10: Alberzi's experience, of course, is that he was part of
33:16
Speaker 10: a government led by Julia Gillard that in the twenty
33:19
Speaker 10: ten election said there'd never be a carbon tax under
33:22
Speaker 10: a government which she led. The government then under Julia Gillard,
33:25
Speaker 10: under pressure from the Greens, introduced to carbon tax, and
33:29
Speaker 10: that enabled Tony Abbott to launch a devastatingly effective campaign
33:33
Speaker 10: against that government, which cost the Labor government in twenty thirteen,
33:38
Speaker 10: and I think mister Albernidi easy doesn't want to repeat
33:41
Speaker 10: that experience. So even though perhaps Tim Chalmers might like
33:44
Speaker 10: to do more on the tax front between now and
33:47
Speaker 10: the twenty twenty eight election, mister Albersi isn't going to
33:50
Speaker 10: let him do that. He will have to argue the
33:52
Speaker 10: case put it to the people at the twenty twenty
33:55
Speaker 10: eight election, and given how big their majority currently is,
33:59
Speaker 10: bears probably better than even chance that they will win it.
34:02
Speaker 10: But they will win it being able to claim just
34:05
Speaker 10: as John Howard could in nineteen ninety eight. But he's
34:08
Speaker 10: got a mandate to make tax changes that he has
34:10
Speaker 10: talked about in the lead up to that election.
34:15
Speaker 1: So when you step back and you bring all of
34:18
Speaker 1: your years of knowledge and look at the economy in general,
34:22
Speaker 1: how pessimistic are you about the shape it is in?
34:26
Speaker 10: Well, it's in better shape than it was a year
34:29
Speaker 10: or two ago. And the reason I say that is
34:32
Speaker 10: the inflation, which less than three years ago was unacceptedly high,
34:37
Speaker 10: peaking at seven point eight percent even eighteen months ago,
34:40
Speaker 10: was still running it close to four percent is now
34:42
Speaker 10: just about at the midpoint of the Reserve Banks target
34:45
Speaker 10: band of two and a half percent. We've done that
34:48
Speaker 10: with a very small increase in the unemployment rate of
34:51
Speaker 10: less than a percentage point. Our peers in Canada and
34:55
Speaker 10: New Zealand have brought inflation down, but at a much
34:59
Speaker 10: higher price in terms of unemployment, rising by almost two
35:02
Speaker 10: percentage points over that period, and with even weaker economic
35:06
Speaker 10: growth than Australia has had during that period. If you
35:10
Speaker 10: look at past episodes of high inflation in the early
35:13
Speaker 10: eighties or the early nineteen nineties, we got inflation down
35:17
Speaker 10: from over ten percent per annum in both of those occasions,
35:20
Speaker 10: but at the price is pushing the unemployment rate above
35:23
Speaker 10: ten percent, so you know we're turning the corner.
35:26
Speaker 5: Growth is slow.
35:27
Speaker 10: The biggest challenge I think we face at the moment is,
35:31
Speaker 10: as this summit this week, this roundtable this week was
35:35
Speaker 10: seeking to address, is our pretty appalling record on productivity growth,
35:40
Speaker 10: which is, you know, every Gala and the pet shops
35:42
Speaker 10: says is the only sustainable source of improvements in national
35:46
Speaker 10: and individual living standards over long periods of time. That's
35:50
Speaker 10: something that we need to be making some hard decisions
35:52
Speaker 10: about this week's roundtable, perhaps will speed up making some
35:58
Speaker 10: relatively small decisions on things that have been around for
36:01
Speaker 10: a long time, like red tape surrounding the building industry
36:04
Speaker 10: and the recognition of occupational licensing across different state borders
36:09
Speaker 10: and so forth. If that can be sped up, that's
36:11
Speaker 10: their small steps, but they're steps in the right direction.
36:14
Speaker 10: Bigger reforms are obviously going to have to wait until
36:18
Speaker 10: after the next election.
36:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I like you your glass half full attitudes
36:23
Speaker 1: all always. Thank you very much for helping us out tonight.
36:26
Speaker 1: That was a great explanation having as a country. I
36:28
Speaker 1: want to go now, good on you. I want to
36:30
Speaker 1: go to this decision by the AFIL to suppend Isaac
36:33
Speaker 1: Rank and the Crow's player. It's just showcased the virtual
36:37
Speaker 1: signaling we get from the AFL Not to mention hypocrisy.
36:40
Speaker 1: I mean, it's made so much worse by the fact
36:42
Speaker 1: they've hired Snoop Dogg to entertain at the Grand Final. Now,
36:47
Speaker 1: I have relatives in South Australia. My mother's a crow.
36:49
Speaker 1: Support of the state is in uproar over what's happened here.
36:53
Speaker 1: I want to take you to South Australia and just
36:56
Speaker 1: find out what the mood is like. Sime and Thomas
36:59
Speaker 1: Wills and is known for reporter based in Adelaide for
37:02
Speaker 1: news groups National Sports News and Code Sports. Simeon how
37:08
Speaker 1: angry are people.
37:11
Speaker 11: Hi, Steve, Yeah, I think a lot of people are
37:14
Speaker 11: very angry, not only in South Australia but in the
37:17
Speaker 11: wider footing community. There's a lot of frustration at the moment.
37:20
Speaker 11: The decision to banize that ranking for four games rather
37:24
Speaker 11: than the five that we all kind of expected. What
37:26
Speaker 11: happened given the AFL's previous starts on these issues has
37:30
Speaker 11: gone down there has been roundly criticized. Really, I guess
37:33
Speaker 11: it's kind of added to a lot of confusion around
37:36
Speaker 11: I guess a myriad of issues on the field in
37:39
Speaker 11: terms of rules what you know, suspensions for concussion and that,
37:43
Speaker 11: but also I guess added to suspense confusion around suspensions
37:48
Speaker 11: off the field for this issue, I guess the issue
37:50
Speaker 11: of homophobia issues of I just threatening as we saw
37:54
Speaker 11: earlier this year.
37:55
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's I guess.
37:56
Speaker 11: And also for the AFL, there's also been a lot
37:58
Speaker 11: of criticism for their supposed zero tolerance approach to issues
38:02
Speaker 11: such as homoflow but slurs used on the field.
38:06
Speaker 1: What sort of young fella is Isaac Grenkin? I mean,
38:08
Speaker 1: he's an absolute superstar as a player. You would have
38:11
Speaker 1: dealt with him, he would have spoken to him.
38:13
Speaker 5: What's he like?
38:16
Speaker 11: He's yeah, he's a obviously field but he's a very
38:19
Speaker 11: shy person. He doesn't like speaking a lot. He's really
38:23
Speaker 11: obviously very good at footed, great on the guitar and
38:26
Speaker 11: scene as well, but yeah, shy guy. So this week
38:29
Speaker 11: has really rocked him. From what the Crows have said,
38:32
Speaker 11: he's barely left his house so I think he didn't
38:35
Speaker 11: get onto training at all this week. He's not obviously
38:37
Speaker 11: he's not playing this weekend, but the Trows are looking
38:39
Speaker 11: to get him out of out of say for maybe
38:42
Speaker 11: a week or so. I guess the big thing for
38:44
Speaker 11: the Crows that they got the ban down to four games,
38:48
Speaker 11: and this has been criticized as well, is the compelling
38:51
Speaker 11: medical submission that they I just gave to the AFL,
38:53
Speaker 11: which the AFL looked at and judged and then said
38:57
Speaker 11: Isaac can serve four games.
38:59
Speaker 1: Rather than five.
39:00
Speaker 11: Does give him a very very very slim chance of
39:03
Speaker 11: playing in the Grand Final if the Crows got there.
39:05
Speaker 11: And everything went his way. But I guess and then
39:07
Speaker 11: not really explaining it from the AFL and even the
39:09
Speaker 11: Crows has also garnered all of criticism.
39:14
Speaker 1: You could sort of simeon and suggest without you know,
39:17
Speaker 1: I don't know, but it would appear that the mental
39:20
Speaker 1: impact on this young fella has been such that they
39:24
Speaker 1: argued that behind the scenes with the AFL and the
39:27
Speaker 1: IFL have agreed.
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Speaker 11: Yes, that seems to be the case. I guess it
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Speaker 11: was part of a very detail submission that la put in,
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Speaker 11: and I guess the concerns around his mental well being
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Speaker 11: if he was ruled out for five and could miss
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Speaker 11: a Grand final. I guess there's a bunch of other
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Speaker 11: standinghone circumstances that they did put in there, which they
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Speaker 11: haven't spoken about publicly and have said is private because
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Speaker 11: it is health reasons for Isaac. But yeah, it does
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Speaker 11: seem that the whole Hosada and the potential are missing
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Speaker 11: a Grand final. If Theatros got there, did have and
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Speaker 11: has had a massive impact on his mental wellbeing, sime and.
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Speaker 1: Thank you very much for that. I just repeat, Iman,
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Speaker 1: I can't believe how the hypocrisy the AFL then hiring
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Speaker 1: Snoop doctor be the entertainment iman seriously after the break,
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Speaker 1: retail bosses now they've raised the alarm, saying Victoria is
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Speaker 1: now the retail crime capital of Australia, with gangs routinely
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Speaker 1: looting stores just walking in stealing stuff. Plus, the government
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Speaker 1: announced fresh childcare reforms today. Will they be enough to
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Speaker 1: ensure the safety of our little kids? Welcome back rondan
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Speaker 1: coming out Let's bring out Friday Night panel in Verso
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Speaker 1: Research fellow at the Institute of Public Affairs, Friday Night
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Speaker 1: regular Mia Schlitt and Sky News regular Joe hilde Rand. Guys,
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Speaker 1: welcome to you both, Joe. We all love a current
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Speaker 1: affair dodgy trade story. This one I think really deserves
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Speaker 1: us giving it an airing Sydney plumbing company had its
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Speaker 1: license temporarily suspended. Was a ninety eight year old guy
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Speaker 1: who rang up a company to come and fix his toilet.
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Speaker 1: He was invoiced thirty one thousand dollars to fix it
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Speaker 1: and when it was eventually fixed by another plumber, it
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Speaker 1: costs five hundred bucks. How do people get away with
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Speaker 1: preying on the elderly like that?
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Speaker 12: Yeah, I don't even know how these people can sleep
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Speaker 12: at night. It's just absolutely staggering. This is my worst nightmare.
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Speaker 12: This is the sum of all my fears. Because our
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Speaker 12: bathrooms need they're completely cactus, and we're about to have
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Speaker 12: a bath fall through the ceiling of our house. And
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Speaker 12: so we had to get the whole bathroom done from scratch,
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Speaker 12: like ripped up, waterproofed, retiled with new tiles, all the
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Speaker 12: new fittings and everything. They were completely andly cactus. And
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Speaker 12: that was estimated to be about thirty thousand dollars. So
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Speaker 12: that gives you an idea of the scale to which
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Speaker 12: this plumber and inverted quotes has ripped off this poor,
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Speaker 12: vulnerable elderly man. It's absolutely disgraceful. Thankfully, I'm happy to
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Speaker 12: say that all the plumbers we've dealt with so far
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Speaker 12: have been awesome and honest and great, but it's staggering
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Speaker 12: that this person was able to operate.
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Speaker 1: In the first place. Mea elder abuse is rife. I mean,
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Speaker 1: my mum's ninety. She worke up one day and the
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Speaker 1: house was blacked out. She lives on her own, and
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Speaker 1: so she just went on her iPad and went through
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Speaker 1: and rang up the first twenty four hour electrician she
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Speaker 1: could find. This bloke turns up, pulls out a couple
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Speaker 1: of fuses, tells her that he's gonna fix it, but
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Speaker 1: she's got to pay him something like three thousand dollars
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Speaker 1: up front before he will do it. She's worried she's
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Speaker 1: never going to get the power back on, so she
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Speaker 1: pays him. I've tried to find these people, and I
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Speaker 1: can't find them. It's a really serious problem, elderly people
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Speaker 1: living on their own getting ripped off by scumbags like
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Speaker 1: these people.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely, Steve, this is just a huge problem, and
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Speaker 13: it's absolutely apprehensible what's happening with the elder abuse in
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Speaker 13: our community. I'm not sure how moral standards have fallen
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Speaker 13: so low that people think that they can get away
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Speaker 13: with this kind of behavior. And in some ways, it's
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Speaker 13: even worse in our age care facilities. We hear stories
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Speaker 13: all the time of elderly abuse that happens in those institutions,
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Speaker 13: and it needs to be stopped, and there needs to
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Speaker 13: be some kind of moral standard that we hold our
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Speaker 13: community to.
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Speaker 1: They should be in jail. Quite get more power to
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Speaker 1: a current affair. They should be in jail. Hey, Joe,
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Speaker 1: I spend a bit of time on Chapel Street these days.
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Speaker 1: I've got two stores there. One is a Bonds store
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Speaker 1: which sells underwear and T shirts and stuff, and the
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Speaker 1: other one is liquor Land. So you can see that's
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Speaker 1: where I'm shopping. That's that's all you need. The girls
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Speaker 1: at the Bonds store. Last time I was in there,
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Speaker 1: I said, how things going, she said, oh, well, we've
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Speaker 1: had three smashing grabs today already this morning and the
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Speaker 1: police still haven't turned up the liquor Land. Guy Loxi's
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Speaker 1: front door. You have to knock on it to get
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Speaker 1: into bottle of wine because people are walking in, go
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Speaker 1: to the back of the fridge, filling bags up with
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Speaker 1: UDL cans and just walking out. Retail bosses have now
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Speaker 1: said Victoria is the nation's shoplifting in crime capital, organized
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Speaker 1: gangs looting stores. How's it come to this?
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Speaker 12: I think what we've learned, and you know, regional New
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Speaker 12: South Wales and regional Queensland have had similar similar things
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Speaker 12: where if you let youth crime in particular get out
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Speaker 12: of control, if you take the foot off the throat
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Speaker 12: side to speak, it is very very hard, is a
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Speaker 12: very very hard genie to put back in the bottle
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Speaker 12: and we've seen in Victoria as as opposed to New
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Speaker 12: South Wales and Queensland, which jumped very quickly on toughening
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Speaker 12: up bail laws to make sure that kids weren't sort
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Speaker 12: of you know, it wasn't like a fishing expedition just
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Speaker 12: to catch and release. And that seems to have sort
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Speaker 12: of you know, broken the back of what could be
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Speaker 12: a youth crime epidemic like we're seeing in Victoria, where
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Speaker 12: where you know, at the head of the IgA chain
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Speaker 12: has has said, you know, he can basically do it
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Speaker 12: etra sketch of the profile of these offenders. And Victoria
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Speaker 12: went in the other direction. It tried to be too
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Speaker 12: cool for school. It tried to you know, increase the
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Speaker 12: age of criminal culpability. It did not did not until
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Speaker 12: it was far too late, tough in bail laws in
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Speaker 12: fact that they were far too weak. And now it's
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Speaker 12: paying the price. So I'm very sorry, but this is
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Speaker 12: a lesson that you know, other states have learned and
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Speaker 12: Victoria simply hasn't until it's too late.
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Speaker 1: Me you're a young woman living in Melbourne. Do you
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Speaker 1: feel safe at the moment?
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Speaker 13: I have to say no. One out there in the communities,
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Speaker 13: it seems just getting worse and worse and worse. And
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Speaker 13: that's because we have a Victorian labor government who will
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Speaker 13: do anything except take this crime problem seriously. I mean,
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Speaker 13: they will just refuse to get tough on crime. They're
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Speaker 13: extremely reactionary. They have no intention of putting in any
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Speaker 13: preventative measures. I mean, if the evidence is very very clear,
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Speaker 13: if you want to stop crime from happening in the
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Speaker 13: first place, the best way to do that is put
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Speaker 13: more police on the streets to increase the fear in
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Speaker 13: an offender's mind. They will get caught if they come
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Speaker 13: in an offense, and then if they are caught for
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Speaker 13: breaking the law, there needs to be a serious consequence.
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Speaker 13: I mean, how many times are we hearing about these
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Speaker 13: youth offenders receiving bail three four, five times. There has
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Speaker 13: got to be a point where our government draws a
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Speaker 13: line and they say, if you are committing anti social,
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Speaker 13: violent behavior that is putting the rest of the community
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Speaker 13: at risk, they need to be locked behind bars.
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Speaker 1: Well said, I agree with you entirely, Joe. What have
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Speaker 1: you made of the federal government's childcare changes that have
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Speaker 1: been announced over the last twenty four hours, including overhauling
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Speaker 1: including mandatory staff training, national worker register, the change to
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Speaker 1: the working with children, and it's horrible that we even
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Speaker 1: have to be here talking about this. What do you
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Speaker 1: make of Jason Clear's handling of this and what the
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Speaker 1: government's done.
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Speaker 12: Yeah, my thought's exactly the price here. It's a horrible I've
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Speaker 12: had three kids in childcare, and you know, the thought
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Speaker 12: that something like this could be happening is just unbearable.
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Speaker 12: I think Jason Clair has reacted exactly as he should, swiftly.
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Speaker 12: He's implemented all these recommendations. There's no sort of quibbling,
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Speaker 12: there's no sort of you know, yawning gap between you
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Speaker 12: know and yet another review. These are no brainers, unfortunately.
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Speaker 12: And also it's there's such sensible reforms compared to some
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Speaker 12: of the hysteria we saw people saying, you know, oh,
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Speaker 12: we need to ban all men from childcare centers, which
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Speaker 12: you only have to think about for about two seconds,
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Speaker 12: would almost certainly make the problem worse, because it is
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Speaker 12: things like not having a national register, not having adequate
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Speaker 12: training or cross checking references, not you know, ensuring that
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Speaker 12: people can't go from state to state where they might
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Speaker 12: have a black mark in one state but no record
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Speaker 12: of it in another and the CCTV. Again, it's just
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Speaker 12: horrendous to think that we need CCTV in childcare centers.
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Speaker 12: But if that's what it takes to stop this sort
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Speaker 12: of thing and other neglecting abuse from happening, then you know,
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Speaker 12: no expense is too high.
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Speaker 1: I guess me are horrible that we even have the problem.
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Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely, this is just a horrible story. I don't
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Speaker 13: think it's a problem that anyone ever wanted to have
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Speaker 13: to deal with, but it has been one. Unfortunately, it
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Speaker 13: has been a long time coming. I mean, there were
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Speaker 13: warnings about three years ago that the system needed an overhaul,
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Speaker 13: and I agree with Joe. I think these reforms are
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Speaker 13: much better than some of those calls about, you know,
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Speaker 13: banning men from childcare centers, which just was not a
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Speaker 13: sensible reform. But to be honest, I was quite shocked
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Speaker 13: reading some of these recommendations, such as mandatory childcare safety training.
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Speaker 13: I just couldn't believe that some of these reforms weren't
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Speaker 13: already in place. But I've spoken to many.
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Speaker 1: I mean, it is crazy that we have to do it,
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Speaker 1: but they've done the right thing now. I believe Mila
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Speaker 1: and Joe've got to go run out of time. Thanks,
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Speaker 1: I'll see you next week.