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The Bolt Report | 17 March · The Bolt Report

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  Speaker 1: Jesus is the gold reform it.
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  Speaker 2: Tonight the Albedeza government refuses to rule out petro rationing,
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  Speaker 2: plus the utter shame of grace tame now denying hamas
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  Speaker 2: terists rape Jewish women and then playing the victim when
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  Speaker 2: proved wrong. Also tonight, two Sydney studentsh savagely at school.
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  Speaker 2: Both times their bashings went on social media as the
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  Speaker 2: government social media ban for children failed, and playing politics
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  Speaker 2: at the oscars. Why is Hollywood so anti America and
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  Speaker 2: anti Israel? But first, we already had a weak economy
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  Speaker 2: under a big spending government, now out of war in
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  Speaker 2: the Middle East that hits all supplies. What did you
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  Speaker 2: expect today? What did you expect when this government spends
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  Speaker 2: and spends as if the world would never give us trouble?
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  Speaker 3: The reckoning is now.
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  Speaker 2: The Reserve Bank today warned of possible recession even as
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  Speaker 2: it lifted interest rates for the second time in a row,
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  Speaker 2: wiping out almost all the games since rates started fall
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  Speaker 2: a year ago. That was back when the Treasurer was
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  Speaker 2: claiming he was on top of the inflation problem.
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  Speaker 4: The worst of the inflation challenge is now well and
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  Speaker 4: truly behind us.
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  Speaker 2: Well A year later, the Treasure today had to admit
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  Speaker 2: we were in strafe and not just because of the war,
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  Speaker 2: much as he did then, keep making that war the
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  Speaker 2: big issue.
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  Speaker 4: These global risks are very substantial, but the main point
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  Speaker 4: from this decision is that we know we had an
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  Speaker 4: inflation challenge already in our economy. Developments in the Middle
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  Speaker 4: East are already making that challenge harder.
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  Speaker 3: Now.
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  Speaker 2: It's true raising petrol prices are a problem, but don't
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  Speaker 2: let the Treasure wriggle off that hook. As the Reserve
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  Speaker 2: Bank governor today admitted, this rate rise had more to
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  Speaker 2: do with the inflation that was already before the war.
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  Speaker 5: Higher petrol prices will add to inflation, but they're not
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  Speaker 5: the reason for today's decision. Inflation was already too high,
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  Speaker 5: reflecting the fact that demand is outstripping supply. Higher fuel
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  Speaker 5: costs will not slow demand enough on their own to
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  Speaker 5: address this.
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  Speaker 2: The charms today kept using the war as a shield.
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  Speaker 2: Is it to talk about petrol prices as if there
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  Speaker 2: had been the main problem and greedy petrol companies were
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  Speaker 2: to blame. Even had to be dragged today before the
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  Speaker 2: Australian Competition and Consumer Authority.
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  Speaker 4: Suppliers and retailers must not treat motorists as mugs. The
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  Speaker 4: reason it's so important that they were called in to
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  Speaker 4: explain themselves to the Atrible Sea today is because these
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  Speaker 4: price changes need to be justified, and if they're not justifiable,
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  Speaker 4: they're not possible to be justified. Then the atriple Seed's
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  Speaker 4: got the powers that they need to punish people for that.
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  Speaker 2: But even the A Trible C, in its summary of
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  Speaker 2: today's meetings, suggested the oil companies had actually done nothing wrong.
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  Speaker 3: Now again, I do not know that the war and the.
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  Speaker 2: Threat to our petrol supplies, they are a threat, even
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  Speaker 2: though so far the tankers keep coming with our petrol.
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  Speaker 3: Not one delivery has been missed.
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  Speaker 2: In fact, inflation will only get worse as this war
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  Speaker 2: does go on and petrol and diesel prices stay high.
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  Speaker 2: Here's Peter Curry, the NRMA who was at that meeting,
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  Speaker 2: called by the AH Trible C to get more petrol
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  Speaker 2: into the market, especially to farmers.
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  Speaker 1: We haven't seen the worse of it.
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  Speaker 6: We know that many of the large trucking companies buy
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  Speaker 6: their fuel on contract that's normally done monthly. The new
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  Speaker 6: contracts are coming up this contract.
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  Speaker 3: This war has been.
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  Speaker 6: Going on now for almost three weeks two and a
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  Speaker 6: half weeks, so we are going to start to see
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  Speaker 6: those effects and those costs passed on across the economy. Unfortunately,
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  Speaker 6: every element of our economy will be impacted. We know
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  Speaker 6: that price says will inevitably go up in the supermarket aisles.
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  Speaker 2: And those price rise hits they will keep coming to
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  Speaker 2: the end of the year and beyond.
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  Speaker 7: The paddic behind me here is about to be signed
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  Speaker 7: to Oats. This paddic won't be harvested till November, but
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  Speaker 7: it's more likely to have cattle put on it. That
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  Speaker 7: means a few prices to grow. This paddic is not
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  Speaker 7: going to hit our supermarkets to December or January.
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  Speaker 3: But here's the bottom line.
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  Speaker 2: We can't afford a government that keeps being surprised by
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  Speaker 2: world events and keeps blaming those events for their troubles.
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  Speaker 2: Oh there's a war in Ukraine, gas prices up. Who
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  Speaker 2: would have guessed, Oh, there's a war, and you run
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  Speaker 2: petrol prices up next to Oh, there's a war in China.
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  Speaker 2: We live in a different world today. Things change very fast.
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  Speaker 2: There's so much uncertainty, and when they change, it's very
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  Speaker 2: rarely for the best something bad is always luckly to happen,
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  Speaker 2: and we must act like it will. So that's why
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  Speaker 2: it was so dangerous not to save in the good times,
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  Speaker 2: to build up reserves for these bad ones. The gunment
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  Speaker 2: was so reckless to spend so much. And even before
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  Speaker 2: this war it was predicting it will run a decade
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  Speaker 2: more of deficits, with net debt this year reaching a
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  Speaker 2: trillion dollars.
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  Speaker 3: Same with the Reserve Bank.
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  Speaker 2: For a decade now it's been consistently too optimistic about
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  Speaker 2: our growth and about our debt and about our inflation.
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  Speaker 2: And now it's worried we might even face a recession
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  Speaker 2: if this war keeps going.
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  Speaker 3: And here we are with nothing saved.
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  Speaker 1: And if the war and Iran continues indefinitely straight up
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  Speaker 1: home wars remains shut.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, how concerned is the RBA board about this
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  Speaker 8: looming recession risk.
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  Speaker 5: It's still possible if this resolves that everything will turn
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  Speaker 5: out okay. Having said that, the Board is to risks
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  Speaker 5: of that nature. And if circumstances change, and if it
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  Speaker 5: does look like the world economy is in big trouble
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  Speaker 5: and Australian, then that will have different implications for inflation.
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  Speaker 5: And we will be looking very hard at what we
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  Speaker 5: need to do on those circumstances.
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  Speaker 2: You know, no wonder the vote for one nation is soaring,
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  Speaker 2: especially among the poor. I mean, how many of them
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  Speaker 2: are thinking Our politicians both sides have landed them in
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  Speaker 2: a mess. Wages going backwards in real terms, owning your
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  Speaker 2: own home almost impossible for the young and the poor
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  Speaker 2: in the big cities, and our interest rates going up again. Now,
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  Speaker 2: this war isn't the reason for this disaster today. The
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  Speaker 2: real disaster is this government didn't prepare for surprises like it,
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  Speaker 2: and now we'll pay. Joining me is Jiggi Fosters. She's
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  Speaker 2: a professor with the School of Economics in the University
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  Speaker 2: of New South was great to.
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  Speaker 3: See you again, Gi did the resis Dervebank called this
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  Speaker 3: one right by raising interest rates.
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  Speaker 9: I do think it was probably the right call, Andrew,
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  Speaker 9: although I know it was split, as we know because
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  Speaker 9: of the transparency laws that recently passed, so this one
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  Speaker 9: just barely scraped by as an increase. I think the
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  Speaker 9: whole board, however, was unanimous that there would need to
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  Speaker 9: be an increase sometime in the near future. Of course,
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  Speaker 9: this increase was voted on without actually having the information
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  Speaker 9: about the war right, and so in fact it was
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  Speaker 9: January twenty twenty six data that were driving the decision.
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  Speaker 9: And so what's happening here is an anticipation of what
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  Speaker 9: may happen then in the coming months to fuel prices
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  Speaker 9: and therefore throughout the economy. Prices at the grocery store,
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  Speaker 9: as your previous guest said, and all throughout our economy,
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  Speaker 9: making everything a bit more expensive.
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  Speaker 2: The government's keen to blame the rise in inflation on
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  Speaker 2: the war and Iran. How much do you think it's
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  Speaker 2: actually homegrown?
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  Speaker 9: I do think it's primarily homegrown, of course. I mean
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  Speaker 9: this is something I've been sprooking since easily twenty twenty one,
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  Speaker 9: that all of our expenditure during the COVID era, which
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  Speaker 9: essentially just caused us to tread water, was not investing
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  Speaker 9: in Australia's productivity, was not investing in the ways that
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  Speaker 9: we could make a stronger nation. Now has to come
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  Speaker 9: back to bite us, and we have this massive amount
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  Speaker 9: of debt that we have to repay, and those repayments
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  Speaker 9: crowd out everything else that we would spend on to
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  Speaker 9: make our lives better. And in the meantime, we've been
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  Speaker 9: drowning in the drivel that is constantly coming out of
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  Speaker 9: the mouths of our politicians and our bureaucrats about stuff
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  Speaker 9: that just isn't relevant. And as you say, they play
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  Speaker 9: the blame game all the time. There's a distraction everywhere
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  Speaker 9: in the news. Of course, with so much news happening now,
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  Speaker 9: you can always find a convenient story to sell people,
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  Speaker 9: and unfortunately the Australian people have not been pushing back
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  Speaker 9: on the realities that they are facing and insisting on
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  Speaker 9: something other than nonsense from the politicians, and the politicians
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  Speaker 9: are essentially just playing a show at the moment. Think
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  Speaker 9: we are going to be facing this for quite a
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  Speaker 9: while unless we manage to get a major political turnaround,
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  Speaker 9: which I don't really see, which is one reason I'm
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  Speaker 9: here in Perth. Actually is brooking a new book that
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  Speaker 9: I have co author with Julian Gillespie and a couple
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  Speaker 9: of other co authors called Secession by Western Australia. It's
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  Speaker 9: a new idea. Instead of putting up with the old
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  Speaker 9: politicians and bureaucrats, how about we just start our own
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  Speaker 9: nation where we have smaller government, more accountability to the people,
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  Speaker 9: and we established systems that are actually going to serve
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  Speaker 9: human needs.
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  Speaker 2: Gigi that it's the worst news. I should have interrupted
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  Speaker 2: you and stopped you blurbing that book Succession because I
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  Speaker 2: live in debt ridden Victoria, and if we're Western Australia
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  Speaker 2: did succeed with all its mineral wealth and gas wealth,
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  Speaker 2: Victoria of course be put down in the pawn shop. Absolutely,
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  Speaker 2: no one would want it to go broke. What are
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  Speaker 2: we now up against? Do you think a recession really
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  Speaker 2: is on the cards?
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  Speaker 9: I think it's quite likely. Unfortunately, I mean, I'll look
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  Speaker 9: back to the nineteen seventies. What did you see then?
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  Speaker 9: Whether there was, of course the stagnation that we had
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  Speaker 9: in the economy, plus we had the rising oil prices
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  Speaker 9: and runaway inflation that was called stagflation. One good thing
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  Speaker 9: that came out of that was a renewed focus on
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  Speaker 9: more shall we say not neo Kaynesian economic policy making.
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  Speaker 9: So Milton Friedman and Friedrich Hayek won the Nobel Prizes
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  Speaker 9: in that decade partially because everybody sort of woke up
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  Speaker 9: and smell smelled the coffee and realized that the government
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  Speaker 9: is not always the way out. So I'm maybe cautiously
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  Speaker 9: hopeful there may be a silver lining there where we
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  Speaker 9: would get a bit of a rebalancing of people's focus
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  Speaker 9: on different ways you can manage the economy. But yes,
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  Speaker 9: I do think that this war is not showing signs
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  Speaker 9: of finishing anytime soon, unfortunately, and I think Australia will
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  Speaker 9: eventually be seeing economic effects of that. And we have
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  Speaker 9: seen some weakening and household spending. We've seen an increase
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  Speaker 9: in part time jobs, not full time jobs, people wanting
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  Speaker 9: full time work. So it's not as though every signal
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  Speaker 9: in the econom me is booming, right, And that's one
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  Speaker 9: of the reasons I think for the split decision in
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  Speaker 9: the RBA board today. But you know, we don't have
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  Speaker 9: a crystal ball, so we can't say one thing is
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  Speaker 9: for sure. What you said is correct. If you do
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  Speaker 9: not prepare for potentially disrupted times during times that are good,
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  Speaker 9: then you're going to read the consequences, and unfortunately that's
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  Speaker 9: what we have to face now.
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  Speaker 3: I'm afraid that is correct. Just once again, the name
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  Speaker 3: of the book.
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  Speaker 2: If any one months to get on top of it,
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  Speaker 2: anyone with austray, I don't want anyone in Victoria to
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  Speaker 2: read it.
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  Speaker 3: They'll have a heart attack.
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  Speaker 9: Well, we do aim for it to be a beacon
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  Speaker 9: for the Eastern stays as well. Andrew, I must say
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  Speaker 9: it's called Secession by Western Australia. You can google it.
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  Speaker 9: You can find it if you look up my name
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  Speaker 9: and also Jillian Gillespie's name. He is the primary author.
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  Speaker 3: Jesji Folso, thank you so much for your time.
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  Speaker 2: After the break, two young filmmakers check out why one
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  Speaker 2: Sydney suburb has one thousand, three hundred outlets for the
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  Speaker 2: National Sensibility Insurance Scheme.
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  Speaker 3: Well, their outing does not go well. I'm thinking to
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  Speaker 3: compass and declared, ah, are you going to be in
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  Speaker 3: the tropic?
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  Speaker 10: And I asked, is a legitimate.
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  Speaker 2: I'm about to show you astonishing footage about one of
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  Speaker 2: the most disastrous government services ever, the National Disability Insurance Scheme.
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  Speaker 2: Now this ndis it sounded so noble? I mean, you know,
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  Speaker 2: let's fling a bunch of money to help the disabled.
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  Speaker 2: What could go wrong? Well, what went wrong was so
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  Speaker 2: to turn to the most wraught ridden, bloated money pit
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  Speaker 2: has blown out to cost fifty billion dollars a year
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  Speaker 2: because an unbelievable and I do mean unbelievable seven hundred
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  Speaker 2: and sixty thousand Australians are now on it getting benefits
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  Speaker 2: that actually works out to one in thirty five of
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  Speaker 2: us claiming to be permanently disabled.
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  Speaker 3: And look what we're spending on them, or.
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  Speaker 2: More particularly on the public servants and the reviders claiming
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  Speaker 2: to help them. Just last week we learned that we're
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  Speaker 2: spending nearly twelve billion years just to pay people to
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  Speaker 2: take INDIAS participants. I thinks like cafe visits and dog
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  Speaker 2: walks and outings and to concerts and things like that.
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  Speaker 2: Now two social media campaign, it's just film. What's going on?
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  Speaker 2: Drew Pavlou and Pete Segulas are well. They were amazed
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  Speaker 2: that some suburbs of where sin Sydney have more ind af
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  Speaker 2: outlets than they could possibly need.
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  Speaker 11: We're currently at Bankstown where there's a bunch of ndis'
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  Speaker 11: is in this one little suburb little town here.
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  Speaker 10: There's like literally sixty in like a two block radius. Also,
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  Speaker 10: the amazing thing is this map is only registered providers,
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  Speaker 10: and apparently registered providers are only six percent of the total.
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  Speaker 10: So just think of this, right, like there are so
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  Speaker 10: many in this five block radius and just think about
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  Speaker 10: like this is literally just the tip of the ICA yeah.
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  Speaker 11: So justin Lakamba alone, which is right next to Bankstown,
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  Speaker 11: there's thirteen hundred and Diis providers and that means one
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  Speaker 11: in thirteen people are currently running one.
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  Speaker 1: Think about how crazy that is.
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  Speaker 11: That to me is a potential misuse of our taxpayer dollars.
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  Speaker 11: There's literally six Aniis providers on this one sign. Why
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  Speaker 11: would there be this many aniis Is in one building?
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  Speaker 2: They do apologize. We've been having to go nuts on
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  Speaker 2: all the blurring because legal reasons. Damn legal reasons.
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  Speaker 3: You think this free speech in this country.
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  Speaker 2: But anyway, not everyone they checked out was happy about it.
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  Speaker 2: Here's what happened and more blurring. When the filmmakers went
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  Speaker 2: to a Western Sydney Indis provider operating out of the
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  Speaker 2: exact same address and with the exact same phone numbers
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  Speaker 2: and exact same accountant as a previous NDAs business that
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  Speaker 2: the government had shut down for fraud four months earlier.
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  Speaker 3: To come to that reclare, ah, are you going to
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  Speaker 3: be in the tropic?
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  Speaker 10: And I asked, it's a legitimate business.
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  Speaker 12: Broke it out.
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  Speaker 3: That's a soult because this is m.
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  Speaker 11: She just broke the eight hundred dollar glasses how many
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  Speaker 11: times you come here, you.
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  Speaker 1: Broke my don't care.
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  Speaker 9: What am I gonna tack?
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  Speaker 1: You broke my glasses? Yeah, I don't care.
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  Speaker 2: You see this here I should point out this documentary
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  Speaker 2: accuses no one of doing anything illegal, but some parts
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  Speaker 2: of this documentary short raised questions.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think there's anyone actually inside of you at all.
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  Speaker 11: It's currently twelve in afternoon and they're not here.
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  Speaker 2: And when Pavlu and Sigol has checked on NDS providers
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  Speaker 2: who'd been issued government warnings, they got the bums rush.
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  Speaker 1: Just please leave, I come. You're not able to answer
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  Speaker 1: these questions about the Are you the owner?
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  Speaker 3: No, you're not.
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  Speaker 13: We're out of here, man.
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  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, have a good day.
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  Speaker 3: No no, no, you're not going.
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  Speaker 1: You can't put me. Sure he's literally kidnapping me. Let
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  Speaker 1: me leave? Yes, no, is the owner in here to
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  Speaker 1: talk to?
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  Speaker 3: Not here right now.
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  Speaker 14: We're just trying to investigate compliance notice and enforcement actions
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  Speaker 14: for the NDAs.
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  Speaker 1: Is there a language we're able to interpret? What language?
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  Speaker 1: What's your main language?
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  Speaker 2: So much legal blurring joining me is one of the filmmakers,
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  Speaker 2: Drew Pavlou, on whose x feed you will find the
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  Speaker 2: full expagated documentary. Drew Pavlu, thank you so much for
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  Speaker 2: coming on again. Appreciate it. The strange fact that you
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  Speaker 2: started with for this documentary, what's that incredible number of
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  Speaker 2: NDAs outlets in some suburbs, what kind of suburbs and
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  Speaker 2: what kind of numbers?
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  Speaker 14: Look, there are up to thirteen hundred providers, I believe
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  Speaker 14: in Lakember it's one for every I think thirteen residents
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  Speaker 14: or something like that. It's an extraordinary figure. It's amazing,
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  Speaker 14: it's amazing. There is a massive content tration in La
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  Speaker 14: Kember Bankstown. We walked through Bankstown and it was almost
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  Speaker 14: like every couple shops was an MDIs provider and it's
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  Speaker 14: it's kind of inexplicable.
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  Speaker 1: We don't really.
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  Speaker 14: Understand why it is the case that there's just this
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  Speaker 14: massive concentration in these suburbs of Western Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: And what kind of outlets did you then check up on?
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  Speaker 14: Look, we went through and we just basically knocked on
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  Speaker 14: the doors of NDIS providers that had that had been
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  Speaker 14: given basically regulation breaches by the government. So we were
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  Speaker 14: knocked on the door of places with compliance breaches for
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  Speaker 14: failing to complete orders, for failing to complete you know,
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  Speaker 14: their their basic checks, and when we knocked on these doors,
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  Speaker 14: we ran into some trouble.
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  Speaker 1: We were assaulted a couple of times. There were threats.
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  Speaker 14: We received death threats, even from some ge hardiest extremists.
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  Speaker 14: I cannot even believe who would have thought that the
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  Speaker 14: NDIS investigation would also bring our great gee hardest friends
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  Speaker 14: in as well. But it was an amazing thing to
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  Speaker 14: be Yeah, a salted death threats.
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  Speaker 1: We've received legal threats too.
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  Speaker 14: It's very hard to report on this as our young
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  Speaker 14: independent creators, because the entire system's kind of structured to
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  Speaker 14: make it impossible to report on this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Luckily, you've got good legal advice to help you navigate
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  Speaker 2: through some of this. But what kind of services were
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: the outlets that you were looking into? What kind of
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: services were they offering?
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: Look, some was some stuff was extraordinary.
• 18:30
  Speaker 14: Andrea one cleaning service, they essentially wanted to charge two
• 18:34
  Speaker 14: hundred and thirty six dollars for twenty four minutes worth
• 18:36
  Speaker 14: of cleaning.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: Essentially, they they charged a two hour block and.
• 18:42
  Speaker 14: Wanted to charge one hundred and twenty dollars for travel
• 18:44
  Speaker 14: cost sixty kilometers, And we timed the amount of time
• 18:48
  Speaker 14: they were inside the apartment and it was twenty four minutes,
• 18:51
  Speaker 14: so twenty four minutes worth of cleaning. They wanted to
• 18:53
  Speaker 14: charge two hundred and thirty six dollars. When we later
• 18:55
  Speaker 14: confronted the individual, they revised the invoice ninety percent down
• 19:00
  Speaker 14: wanted to They gave a revising voice for twenty bucks
• 19:03
  Speaker 14: once we confronted them. So it's amazing. I mean, this
• 19:06
  Speaker 14: particular invoice was inflated potentially ninety percent. We won't mention
• 19:09
  Speaker 14: names because we won't get anyone in trouble, but it's
• 19:12
  Speaker 14: quite of extraordinary two almost one undred and forty dollars
• 19:14
  Speaker 14: for twenty five minutes worth of work. When the cleaners
• 19:17
  Speaker 14: arrived at the shop at the apartment, they did not
• 19:20
  Speaker 14: even bring cleaning equipment with them. They literally just used
• 19:22
  Speaker 14: tissues that they found in the apartment to wipe down
• 19:24
  Speaker 14: the benches. So it's quite extraordinary. And we went to
• 19:28
  Speaker 14: another NDIS provider that essentially was struck off by the
• 19:33
  Speaker 14: NDIS official regulator for fraud. They owed more than seven hundred,
• 19:37
  Speaker 14: twenty thousand dollars. They'll struck off for fraud in October
• 19:40
  Speaker 14: NDIS lifetime ban. And then a new business popped up
• 19:43
  Speaker 14: in the exact same location with a new name, but
• 19:46
  Speaker 14: using the same phone lines, using the same accountant.
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: Right after and we went to that business.
• 19:50
  Speaker 14: And we were physically assaulted and had our equipment smashed
• 19:54
  Speaker 14: when we simply asked if they had any connection with
• 19:57
  Speaker 14: the previous owners.
• 19:59
  Speaker 3: What questions were you two guys left with after filming
• 20:02
  Speaker 3: all this?
• 20:06
  Speaker 14: Ah, Look, Andrew, the system is just unfortunately riddled with fraud.
• 20:10
  Speaker 14: I think it's in the I think it's riddled with
• 20:12
  Speaker 14: fraud to the very core of the scheme. The way
• 20:13
  Speaker 14: they designed it, I mean they created, they credit this
• 20:17
  Speaker 14: market mechanism where you know, severely disabled people, sometimes cognitively
• 20:20
  Speaker 14: disabled people were expected to go around and shop for providers,
• 20:24
  Speaker 14: and that has just created this massive vulnerability where just
• 20:26
  Speaker 14: some of the shonkiest operators in history just have just
• 20:29
  Speaker 14: gone in there and just roared.
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: The system to the max. We're talking billions of dollars.
• 20:32
  Speaker 14: The official NDIA regulator estimates that it's at least ten
• 20:35
  Speaker 14: percent of the at least ten percent of the scheme
• 20:38
  Speaker 14: is fraudulent. The official regulator told Australian Center estimates that
• 20:43
  Speaker 14: if every fraud case in the country were to be prosecuted,
• 20:46
  Speaker 14: the Australian legal system collapsed.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: There's not enough judges.
• 20:48
  Speaker 14: We've started a petition online at ndis exposed dot com.
• 20:51
  Speaker 14: We've got more than We've almost got thirty thousand people
• 20:54
  Speaker 14: signed up now and we're calling for a full NACC
• 20:57
  Speaker 14: investigation into fraud in the scheme, the National Anti cor
• 21:00
  Speaker 14: commissioned investigation. We want a National Anti Corruption Commission investigation
• 21:04
  Speaker 14: to fraud.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: In the scheme.
• 21:05
  Speaker 14: It's just riddled to the core of the scheme at
• 21:07
  Speaker 14: this point, to the point where they're literally open. They're
• 21:10
  Speaker 14: telling Australian politicians that if every fraud case in the
• 21:12
  Speaker 14: country were to be investigated were to be taken a court,
• 21:15
  Speaker 14: the strained legal syste would claps. There's not enough judges
• 21:17
  Speaker 14: in the country. It's just incredible that it's gotten to
• 21:20
  Speaker 14: this point. It's become this money incinerator and I feel
• 21:22
  Speaker 14: for people who actually really need the help that they need.
• 21:26
  Speaker 14: We've had so many tip offs since we've released the video,
• 21:29
  Speaker 14: people saying, you know, I've got a severely disabled door too,
• 21:32
  Speaker 14: who's nonverbal, cannot even speak, and we can't even get
• 21:35
  Speaker 14: on the scheme. And yet you've got these people just
• 21:37
  Speaker 14: completely ruling the system to the core. I mean, up
• 21:40
  Speaker 14: until very recently you could get prostitutes on the scheme.
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: So up until very recently people.
• 21:46
  Speaker 14: Were paying for you know, sex workers through the scheme.
• 21:48
  Speaker 14: And yet we've had tip offs from people with you know, nonverbal,
• 21:51
  Speaker 14: severely disabled children who cannot even get on the scheme.
• 21:54
  Speaker 14: So we just don't understand what's going on here. I
• 21:56
  Speaker 14: think the entire scheme has just been completely broken from
• 21:59
  Speaker 14: the start. It needs to be designed from the very start,
• 22:02
  Speaker 14: and we just feel for people who actually need help.
• 22:04
  Speaker 2: Well, I must say that your example of the cleaner
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: rings a bell because I know someone who deals with very,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: very vulnerable people professionally who's telling me only last week
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: that there were cleaners. One of the clients complained that
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: they had an NDAs cleaner come in for just what
• 22:25
  Speaker 2: ten minutes fifteen tops, very desultory clean and then leave,
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: and they did not dare complain because once you leap,
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: if you're a disabled person and these people have come
• 22:37
  Speaker 2: in your house, do you dare complain? Do you dare
• 22:40
  Speaker 2: say can you stay for an hour and actually do
• 22:43
  Speaker 2: the job? Do you dare complain to their boss? And
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: they're feeling very vulnerable, So Drew I hope people, a
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: lot of people in positions of power look at your
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: documentary and think this is embarrassing.
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: We cannot let this happen.
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: So congratulation, congre relations to you two guys, and thank
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: you very much.
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Andrew really appreciate it.
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: Mate.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: We'll keep on work on this. It's just the start.
• 23:08
  Speaker 14: We've got another video out soon, and yeah, we just
• 23:11
  Speaker 14: have to keep on working on this.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: In fact, I hope that the government and it's ten
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: thousand public servants, you know, the Albania government double the
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: number of public servants on the indis. You think two
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: guys like that, can they uncover all this kind of
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: stuff and ten thousand public servants and the government above
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: them haven't figured it out, haven't figured out what's going on,
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: haven't figured out a way to stop it. I hope
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: they all watch it after the break. The government refuses
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: to rule out rationally your petrol. What are the chances
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: The Albanizi government today just made the petrol crisis worse.
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: That's because Deputy Prime Minister Richard Miles today added to
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: the panic by refusing to guarantee we won't soon need petrol.
• 24:01
  Speaker 12: Can you guarantee we won't run out of fuel. Well,
• 24:06
  Speaker 12: I mean, we will do everything in our power to
• 24:10
  Speaker 12: respond to this situation. I mean, in part we're being
• 24:13
  Speaker 12: really honest that you know, at the heart of a
• 24:17
  Speaker 12: whole lot of questions in respect of this is how
• 24:20
  Speaker 12: long will this conflict go on? And obviously I can't
• 24:23
  Speaker 12: answer that question.
• 24:27
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Not being able to rule out running out of fuel
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: or needing petrol rationing is a problem because actually we
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: have two petrol crisis here. The first one is the
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: panic buying. We don't right now actually have less petrol
• 24:39
  Speaker 2: than we did before the war in Iran, but people
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: are freaking and they're buying a lot more, and talk
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: of petrol rationing it's just going to make that worse.
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: And already the Victorian Farmers Federation is begging Australians in
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: the cities to use less petrol and diesel, so farmers
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: of more that can grow and transport our food. But
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: the other crisis that we do face real shortages as
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: this warman Iron goes on, and if the United States
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: can't clear the strait of Homers which Iran, it's closed
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: to the oil tankers that have been bringing out twenty
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: percent of the world's oil exports. That's why the government
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: can't guarantee they won't be fuel rationing later. US President
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: Donald Trump now claims that some countries have now agreed
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: to help the US the friendships in those straits of
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: the Wars from Iranian rockets, missiles, and drones, although he
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: won't or he can't name any right now.
• 25:33
  Speaker 15: Some are very enthusiastic about it, and some are in
• 25:37
  Speaker 15: summer countries that we've helped for many, many years. We've
• 25:41
  Speaker 15: protected them from horrible outside sources, and they weren't that enthusiastic,
• 25:50
  Speaker 15: and the level of enthusiasm it matters to me.
• 25:55
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: That said, when Trump talks about making the straight of
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: HMS safe for the ships sending marines there, remember the
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: Iranian coastal area that will have to pacify clean out
• 26:04
  Speaker 2: of missiles, et cetera is about the size of South Vietnam.
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: I wonter how that went, but some good news actually
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: three bits. First, Iran has not attacked any ships in
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: the Stratapho Moos.
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: For five days now.
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: Second, this footage of a US Navy FA eighteen hornet
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: engaging targets with its auto cannon and a very low
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: altitude extremely low.
• 26:28
  Speaker 3: For a fighter like that.
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: Doing it on the Iranian coast suggests the US's air dominance.
• 26:32
  Speaker 2: But there doesn't fear missiles anti aircraft weapons around that
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: part of the coast, and that would allow it if
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: it can keep doing that to hit drones and into
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: a ship cruise missiles at low altitude to protect those
• 26:48
  Speaker 2: ships in the Gulf. And third, Iran has now let
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: an oil tanker go through this little gap between two
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: Iranian islands and Straightufe moors, clearly to be checked out
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: there and then let it go on to Pakistan with its.
• 27:02
  Speaker 3: Cargo of oil.
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: Three other cargo ships are also let through that gap.
• 27:07
  Speaker 2: Now Iran has said it will let all through if
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: it's for China or for India or other countries like
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Pakistan not part of the US and Israeli TAC and
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: more oil on the market helps us as well. Joining
• 27:18
  Speaker 2: me a short while ago from the road in Texas
• 27:21
  Speaker 2: and saw Kevanic, probably our best analyst of fuel supplies
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: is head of energy research at MST Financial, So Kavanic,
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: thank you so much, indeed for your time. This war
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: looks like lasting another week or two more. Israel says
• 27:36
  Speaker 2: it's got detailed war plans for three weeks minimum.
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: Given all that, what do you expect to happen with.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Our fuel supplies and not just petrol which we're freaking about,
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: but also gas.
• 27:48
  Speaker 13: Well, those shortages we're saying in parts of Australia, in
• 27:53
  Speaker 13: truth we have any that's an impact we're feeling before
• 27:57
  Speaker 13: the actual impact on the flows from the Iran war
• 28:01
  Speaker 13: have hit Australia, so it's more of a taste of
• 28:03
  Speaker 13: things to come, rather than us actually being in a
• 28:08
  Speaker 13: panicking situation right now. So we've had almost two weeks
• 28:12
  Speaker 13: now since the oil from the strain up Fulmars has
• 28:15
  Speaker 13: been disrupted. That keeps about twenty percent of the world's
• 28:18
  Speaker 13: oil supply out of the markets. There's some mitigation measures underway,
• 28:22
  Speaker 13: including Saudi Arabia moving oil stocks through the Red Sea
• 28:26
  Speaker 13: instead and release the strategic petrolley reserves, but it's still
• 28:29
  Speaker 13: likely to be at least ten million barrels a day
• 28:32
  Speaker 13: of supply disrupted.
• 28:33
  Speaker 3: Now.
• 28:34
  Speaker 13: It takes actually a few weeks for that oil to
• 28:37
  Speaker 13: migrate its way through to the Asian refineries and then
• 28:40
  Speaker 13: come to Australia as the fuel we use, including to
• 28:44
  Speaker 13: fill up our cars at the petrol pump. So we
• 28:47
  Speaker 13: haven't actually felt that knock on effect yet and that's
• 28:52
  Speaker 13: why the precarious situation Australia finds itself in here. We
• 29:01
  Speaker 13: haven't needed to panic yet, but the concern is now
• 29:04
  Speaker 13: that this wall looks to be dragging out into April,
• 29:07
  Speaker 13: is we will start to feel those pressures. It's worth
• 29:13
  Speaker 13: bearing in mind a lot of the oil we get
• 29:15
  Speaker 13: from Australia effectively still comes for the straightform wars because
• 29:19
  Speaker 13: eighty percent of our products come from Asian refineries and
• 29:23
  Speaker 13: most of their those refineries get their oil from the
• 29:26
  Speaker 13: Middle East.
• 29:28
  Speaker 3: Now, one thing.
• 29:29
  Speaker 13: That might actually help protect Australia here is Australia is
• 29:32
  Speaker 13: a very large LNG exporter, and the global LNG market
• 29:37
  Speaker 13: is actually even tighter than the global oil market because
• 29:42
  Speaker 13: twenty per cent of the world's energ also goes through
• 29:44
  Speaker 13: the stratifards and that has been stopped as well. And
• 29:48
  Speaker 13: our major trading partners, including in South Korea, in China
• 29:53
  Speaker 13: and Singapore, where we who we rely on for our
• 29:57
  Speaker 13: products of fuel, they rely on us for our LNG.
• 30:02
  Speaker 13: And so I think we should we should see be
• 30:05
  Speaker 13: seeing the Australian government reminding our trade partners that we
• 30:09
  Speaker 13: are a reliable supply of LNG. They rely on us
• 30:12
  Speaker 13: for their gas security, and therefore we should be at
• 30:15
  Speaker 13: the absolute top of the priority list for exports or
• 30:19
  Speaker 13: fuel which we rely on from them.
• 30:23
  Speaker 2: Yes, maybe get a bit tough Trump like negotiations. There
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: is one interesting development you mentioned the mitigation things like
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Saudi Arabas switching oil supplies to the Red Sea away
• 30:38
  Speaker 2: from the Persian Gulf.
• 30:40
  Speaker 3: That's helped a bit.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: There's been other things, the UAE trying to get to
• 30:44
  Speaker 2: fuel through a port south of the stratuform US. One
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: more thing though, Iran is now allowing through ships going
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: to China or India or Pakistan. In fact, overnight it's
• 30:58
  Speaker 2: sled through an oil tanker that is going to Pakistan
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: anyone that's not involved with America or Israel. Now that
• 31:06
  Speaker 2: of course means there's less pressure on those countries above
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: fuel somewhere else.
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: Is this going to help us? That's right.
• 31:16
  Speaker 13: So now that we're seeing signs that Iran is going
• 31:19
  Speaker 13: to let some tankers through, the truth is the whole
• 31:23
  Speaker 13: world benefits because every tanker of oil that goes to
• 31:27
  Speaker 13: for example, Pakistan or China is one less barrel of
• 31:31
  Speaker 13: oil that they're going to compete with the rest of
• 31:36
  Speaker 13: the world on again, So that is one other mitigation measure.
• 31:41
  Speaker 13: The other thing the market will be looking for from
• 31:43
  Speaker 13: really next week is any signs that there'll be a
• 31:47
  Speaker 13: convoy system for naval escorts or tankers through the Strait
• 31:50
  Speaker 13: as well, and if we see more success in some
• 31:54
  Speaker 13: of the military action being taken against the raigning capability
• 31:58
  Speaker 13: around the Strait. Of film was when you put all
• 32:00
  Speaker 13: of these things together, it can take a twenty million
• 32:05
  Speaker 13: barrel day disruption down potentially to a three to five
• 32:09
  Speaker 13: million barrel day disruption if we're being generous, and you
• 32:13
  Speaker 13: know that is far more manageable, although still an impact.
• 32:17
  Speaker 13: My Biggures concern is actually going to be that all
• 32:20
  Speaker 13: those mitigation measures are unlikely to apply to LNG, so
• 32:24
  Speaker 13: we still can face a global gas crisis, and perhaps
• 32:27
  Speaker 13: more so, they're unlikely to apply to global fertilizer market.
• 32:31
  Speaker 13: So around a third of the world's seaborne fertilizer goes
• 32:34
  Speaker 13: through the Strait, and to make fertilizer elsewhere in marts
• 32:37
  Speaker 13: of the world actually relies on gas, which is also
• 32:39
  Speaker 13: facing a shortage. Now you won't feel that today, but
• 32:43
  Speaker 13: that does portend quite an acute situation for the world's
• 32:46
  Speaker 13: food supply in the second half of the year. And
• 32:49
  Speaker 13: you know, it's just really tragic that Iran has decided
• 32:52
  Speaker 13: that they're going to try and weaponize things like energy
• 32:57
  Speaker 13: and food for their political warp purposes here. And I
• 33:01
  Speaker 13: think it's quite important that the US and allies that
• 33:03
  Speaker 13: they'll be mindful of not rewarding Iran with this behavior,
• 33:08
  Speaker 13: because otherwise Iran will be emboldened to do this and
• 33:11
  Speaker 13: thread and energy and threatned food going forward every time
• 33:14
  Speaker 13: they want something.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: That is absolutely correct.
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: This is why I think some of the countries understand
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Bruce feelings about the way Trump's behaved, But this is
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: their war too. Iran has got a taste of power
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: and unless it's defeated in that regard, it'll keep going. Sulkevanic,
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: thank you so much, indeed for your time.
• 33:38
  Speaker 13: Thank you, Andrew.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of people have been missing with all
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: the focus, of course, naturally being on the war in Iran,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: to letss extent the war in Ukraine. Now, this US
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: fight against the China Russia Iran axis is actually winning.
• 33:55
  Speaker 2: On another front, the US has imposed a fuel blockade
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: on the dictatorship of Uba, which has now had a
• 34:01
  Speaker 2: total electricity blackout. Protesters are in the street demanding change,
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: destroying a communist headquarters. Cuba says is now open to
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: negotiations with Trump, who today was boasting he'd break the
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: Communist Party's grip on Cuba.
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: I do believe I'll be the honor of having the
• 34:19
  Speaker 1: honor of taking Cuba, a big goog honor.
• 34:24
  Speaker 3: That's a big honor again. The war in Ukraine, the
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: war in Iran, the war in Lebanon, the.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: Chinese threats in Taiwan, the taking out of the dictato
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: of Venezuela, now this confrontation with Cuba. These are all
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: part of a new World war. Democracies versus the Tyrannies
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: allied to China and Russia. After the break, the disgrace
• 34:47
  Speaker 2: of Grace, tame and the ignorance of the anti Israel left,
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: the Albeni's government banned children from social media last year
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: December with the promise that they'd be safer.
• 35:03
  Speaker 16: Seven out of ten kids are suffering witnessing harm online
• 35:07
  Speaker 16: in Australia as we speak.
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: That is what we are trying to fix.
• 35:13
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 35:13
  Speaker 2: Two disturbing news items this week suggests this band isn't
• 35:17
  Speaker 2: doing that much. In fact, the government is fiddling while
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: the house burns, and warning some people will find the
• 35:26
  Speaker 2: footage I'm about to show quite disturbing. Now, you would
• 35:29
  Speaker 2: have been shocked to hear the vicious and degrading bashing
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: of a girl as Sydney's Kingsgrove North High the fellow
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: students by fellow students wearing some kind of head covering.
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: It's disgusting, and the Daily Telegraph today containing this line
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: its report. As seen on widely circulated video footage, this
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: girl was made to barker, was told to steady yourself
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: on the table that was in kick, causing it to fall. So,
• 35:56
  Speaker 2: even with the social media ban, this kind of video
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: of a girl being bashed is still being widely circulated
• 36:04
  Speaker 2: on social media now. Andrew Colonel on his show Politics
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: Now earlier today had a second example.
• 36:13
  Speaker 3: A city school we won't name had written to parents.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: I'm writing to inform you of an incident that occurred
• 36:18
  Speaker 2: over the weekend involving a year eight student from our school.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: The student involved was injured and taken a hospital. Unfortunately,
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: we're aware the deserving footage of the incident has been
• 36:28
  Speaker 2: circulated amongst students via social media and messaging platforms. We're
• 36:35
  Speaker 2: concerned about the impact of viewing or sharing this kind
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: of content can have on young people. Again, footage of
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: that year eight student being bashed circulated amongst students via
• 36:45
  Speaker 2: social media messaging platforms. Joined me Amir Schlich, research fellow
• 36:49
  Speaker 2: the Institute of Public Affairs and Michael Danby, former federal
• 36:52
  Speaker 2: labor politician a chairman of the Joint Standing Committee on
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: Foreign Affairs, Defence and Trade MIA. There's two issues here really,
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: One is that band does as effective and second what
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: kind of savagery are we seeing among.
• 37:05
  Speaker 3: Some of the young.
• 37:07
  Speaker 17: Yeah, look, Andrew, it's been about one hundred days since
• 37:10
  Speaker 17: this ban was implemented and it couldn't be more clear
• 37:12
  Speaker 17: to me that it is failing. But it also comes
• 37:15
  Speaker 17: at no surprise. I mean, this band was rushed through Parliament.
• 37:18
  Speaker 17: None of the background work had been done to actually
• 37:20
  Speaker 17: make sure that this would work or even step out
• 37:23
  Speaker 17: how it would work. So to me, it's absolutely no
• 37:26
  Speaker 17: surprise that it's not stacking up because at the end
• 37:29
  Speaker 17: of the day, it was all a big press conference,
• 37:31
  Speaker 17: a big press tour for the Albanese government. It wasn't
• 37:33
  Speaker 17: actually about keeping children safe. And I think it's ironic
• 37:36
  Speaker 17: that the people who were peddling this band saying it
• 37:38
  Speaker 17: was so important to keep our children safe were the
• 37:41
  Speaker 17: same ones who advocated for our children to be locked
• 37:43
  Speaker 17: inside their bedrooms for a number of years during lockdown.
• 37:46
  Speaker 17: But that point to the side. I do think we
• 37:48
  Speaker 17: are seeing a particularly unsettled cohort of young people at
• 37:52
  Speaker 17: the moment. I think we are seeing a rise and
• 37:54
  Speaker 17: violent behavior, and I think one of the reasons for
• 37:56
  Speaker 17: that is because there are a lack of consequences for
• 37:59
  Speaker 17: you young people. I mean, I'm from Victoria and each
• 38:02
  Speaker 17: week we see abhorrent violent acts being committed on our
• 38:06
  Speaker 17: streets by young people, and more often than not, the
• 38:09
  Speaker 17: courts let these young people off with nothing more than
• 38:11
  Speaker 17: a slap on the wrist. So, of course that sets
• 38:13
  Speaker 17: the tone for young people that they can commit very
• 38:16
  Speaker 17: antisocial acts, sometimes violent acts, and not be held accountable
• 38:19
  Speaker 17: for that.
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  Speaker 2: Well you remind me there, Michael. It's a little bit
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: like the Band of Victoria. Machetes the law of bartering
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: and use machetes only for gardening, they hand them in
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: and the people that use machetes for stabbing, they keep
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: them this social media band might turn out to be
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: a little bit of the same kind.
• 38:38
  Speaker 16: Didn't you expect, Andrew that some young people under eighteen
• 38:43
  Speaker 16: would be able to get their way around the government's.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: I have a deeper question though.
• 38:50
  Speaker 16: There's always been bullying, but being able to circulate this
• 38:53
  Speaker 16: on social media makes you more powerful, more the evil
• 38:57
  Speaker 16: that you do can be seen by a wider group
• 38:59
  Speaker 16: of people. I wonder whether social media in the end
• 39:03
  Speaker 16: is going to turn out to be a good thing.
• 39:06
  Speaker 16: We even see state states like China via TikTok using
• 39:11
  Speaker 16: this to infiltrate their ideology into young people's minds. So
• 39:18
  Speaker 16: I think the government's legislation was very optimistic, and I
• 39:22
  Speaker 16: think that social media as a general topic that didn't
• 39:28
  Speaker 16: exist before. I wonder whether it's had a bad effect
• 39:31
  Speaker 16: on society, particularly on younger people, particularly since they're not
• 39:34
  Speaker 16: taught anything at universities about history or geography or about
• 39:38
  Speaker 16: how our societies work.
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: Of course, in religion, is there for most that I
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: would say, by the way that the kind of violence
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: I see these kids doing, the kicking, you know, and
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, kicking people in the head
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: while they're down.
• 39:55
  Speaker 3: I've seen you can see that on mainstream media.
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: Now, you know, I haven't seen anything there that I
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: haven't seen on a Hollywood movie or.
• 40:04
  Speaker 3: On the streamers.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: But to Grace tame Mia, she was made a strand
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: of the Year, but since absolutely disgraced herself. I don't
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: know why she hasn't been stripped of this. First she screamed,
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: of course, that we should also have an inter fada
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: here from Gaddigel to gas As, she screamed globalized the
• 40:24
  Speaker 2: into fada and yes. And on the ABC she denied
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: that Hamas terrorists raped Jewish women in the October seventh
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: slaughter and kidnapping, and then went on when just Cross
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: examined on this, went on to prove that being anti
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: Zionists tends to mean being totally ignorant of the facts
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: and not ashamed to be so ignorant.
• 40:45
  Speaker 18: Listen, Timneys texted in saying, can you please ask Grace
• 40:50
  Speaker 18: why she's selective in her outrage? She says, I've never
• 40:52
  Speaker 18: heard her condemn or speak out on behalf of the
• 40:55
  Speaker 18: Israeli women who were raped and killed by Hamas on
• 40:58
  Speaker 18: October seven? Have you spoken about that? Have you expressed
• 41:02
  Speaker 18: outrage about that?
• 41:03
  Speaker 8: I'm not I'm not going to think to the level
• 41:04
  Speaker 8: of entertaining any kind of propaganda, Hamish, what's.
• 41:09
  Speaker 18: The propaganda included in that question?
• 41:12
  Speaker 8: There have been that those things have been debunked.
• 41:14
  Speaker 18: The UN Special Representative on Sexual Violence and in Conflict
• 41:19
  Speaker 18: has said that there are reasonable grounds to believe that
• 41:23
  Speaker 18: conflict related sexual violence occurred. Are you saying that that
• 41:26
  Speaker 18: is propaganda?
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: Awful things are being perpetrated by both sides. But this
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: is not about what about ism. This is not about
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: selective outrage. I'm outraged by all of the violence. Would
• 41:40
  Speaker 8: that we could get it all to stop.
• 41:42
  Speaker 18: It's just a question as to whether you've condemned that
• 41:44
  Speaker 18: portion of of what has occurred.
• 41:46
  Speaker 8: Yes, and that's a that's a that's a that's a
• 41:48
  Speaker 8: that's a tactic of the bad faith actors is to
• 41:51
  Speaker 8: is to is to trip try to trip people up,
• 41:55
  Speaker 8: you know, to get them to condemn this and condemn that. Clearly,
• 41:58
  Speaker 8: I don't support any of that. We shouldn't be here
• 42:00
  Speaker 8: over arguing over brass tacks.
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: Mier Schlicht your response.
• 42:08
  Speaker 17: Yeah, Look, Andrew, Unfortunately on this one, I'm not surprised
• 42:11
  Speaker 17: at all. If anything, this has just solidified the view
• 42:14
  Speaker 17: that I had that we have well and truly lost
• 42:16
  Speaker 17: Grace Tame to really extreme political activism, and that is
• 42:19
  Speaker 17: a real shame because the initial work that Grace Tame
• 42:22
  Speaker 17: set out to advocate for was actually quite important. She
• 42:24
  Speaker 17: was doing some really good stuff in the domestic violence space.
• 42:28
  Speaker 17: Now we seem to completely lost her on this cause,
• 42:30
  Speaker 17: and all she seems adamant on looking into is just
• 42:34
  Speaker 17: extreme political ideology. And I don't think this is an
• 42:37
  Speaker 17: unusual view that I hold. I mean, Nike dropped her
• 42:40
  Speaker 17: as an as an ambassador about a year ago now
• 42:43
  Speaker 17: because even they acknowledged, as far left leaning as Nike is,
• 42:47
  Speaker 17: even they acknowledged that Grace Tame has gone too far
• 42:49
  Speaker 17: and she's too divisive of a figure. So I think
• 42:52
  Speaker 17: this does send a really important message to advocates that
• 42:55
  Speaker 17: it's important that they stay in their lane and stay
• 42:58
  Speaker 17: true to the causes that they're advocating for, because the
• 43:00
  Speaker 17: second they get lost this political activism, that original cause,
• 43:03
  Speaker 17: all that work just gets lost. I think we've lost
• 43:05
  Speaker 17: Grace's tame forever.
• 43:09
  Speaker 16: Michael Danby those mass rapes, a gang rapes and the
• 43:13
  Speaker 16: rapes of the Israeli women who were captured as prisoners
• 43:16
  Speaker 16: in the tunnels were a key to Harmasa's strategy. It
• 43:19
  Speaker 16: was a civilizational attack on Western democracy designed to cause
• 43:25
  Speaker 16: mass fear, and they thought people would leave Israel. And
• 43:29
  Speaker 16: as a result of that second thing is young Western liberals,
• 43:35
  Speaker 16: leftists refuse to confront the issue of these rapes because
• 43:39
  Speaker 16: it's so awful it might shake their foundational instincts against
• 43:44
  Speaker 16: Israel if you have to confront them, if you understood
• 43:47
  Speaker 16: what it was all about, then you can't stick to
• 43:52
  Speaker 16: the same narrative that Josh Lee's and that he's a
• 43:55
  Speaker 16: bunch of fanatics have got you all believing.
• 44:01
  Speaker 2: Well, you know, I was thinking, should I run that
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: photo that you would be familiar with, Michael Danby of
• 44:07
  Speaker 2: one poor woman a photo that came out, I think
• 44:10
  Speaker 2: it was even released by Palestinians of a woman who
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: very very clearly from the bleeding, had been viciously raped,
• 44:20
  Speaker 2: and not just that, and send it to Grace Tame
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: and say, really, you have no response to that. It's
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: all propaganda, It's all a hoax. Both sides are doing it. Honestly.
• 44:30
  Speaker 2: It is disgusting, is that there's no moral compass there whatsoever.
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: As far as I can tell, that's my personal opinion.
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: But talking about ignorance and bias, and you know why
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: mea as being anti Trump, anti Israel and anti America
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: so fashionable among artists. I've shown before how that's now destroyed.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: The Sydney bi Andali, one of the sponsors now walking
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: out after one of the acts there started leading the
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: crowd into a chance of you know, resistance pro Palestinian,
• 45:07
  Speaker 2: ant Israel.
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: We saw it again yesterday.
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: The oscars here are just some it's just some of
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: the politicking there yesterday, reging and sea around war regging
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: is the war against hemasterism and raging even against ICE
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: agents in America running up legal immigrants have looked.
• 45:26
  Speaker 5: We don't need war like there is a war right now.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: People are being bumped. We need accountability, we need justice,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: and we need peace.
• 45:35
  Speaker 19: When we act complicit, when a government murders people on
• 45:39
  Speaker 19: the streets of our major cities, when we don't say anything,
• 45:43
  Speaker 19: when oligarchs take over the media and control how we
• 45:47
  Speaker 19: could produce it and consume it.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: It's all connected with Ice.
• 45:51
  Speaker 11: With whoever is occupying and killing and doing all these
• 45:55
  Speaker 11: atrocities is connected to Ice.
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: To what's happening in America.
• 45:58
  Speaker 3: Not to war, I'm free pilostate.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: I don't see that smug smook on Harve you bad
• 46:07
  Speaker 2: M's face, Like you know, how good am I looking?
• 46:10
  Speaker 2: It so much to me me? Are your reaction to
• 46:14
  Speaker 2: all that politicking?
• 46:16
  Speaker 17: Oh, I'm so sick of it, Andrew, I am just
• 46:19
  Speaker 17: sick of it. I mean, the more these celebrities get
• 46:21
  Speaker 17: up and try to pretend they've got the finger on
• 46:23
  Speaker 17: the pulse of what's really happening, the more they speak,
• 46:25
  Speaker 17: it just shows how out of touch they really are.
• 46:27
  Speaker 17: And I wish they would bring Ricky Gervais back to
• 46:30
  Speaker 17: the Oscars, who did a fantastic job at calling out
• 46:34
  Speaker 17: these celebrities for how insufferable they really are, and by
• 46:37
  Speaker 17: his monologaue them at the Oscars when he was calling
• 46:39
  Speaker 17: them out for this, all the celebrities in the room
• 46:41
  Speaker 17: are fuming. They were so offended, and it was everyone
• 46:43
  Speaker 17: sitting at home cheering him on, going thank you. Someone
• 46:46
  Speaker 17: needs to silence these celebrities. But look, I'm sick of it.
• 46:50
  Speaker 17: I wish they would stick to what they know. I mean,
• 46:52
  Speaker 17: I'm sure your viewers would be horrified if I jumped
• 46:54
  Speaker 17: on your program and started singing a song so I'll
• 46:56
  Speaker 17: stick to what I know, and I hope they stick.
• 46:58
  Speaker 8: To what they know.
• 47:01
  Speaker 3: Well.
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: I don't know about that last comment at all, to
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: be honest with me, but Michael, why is it Why
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: is it deemed appropriate to ram your politics down the
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: throats of a watching audiences who are just there for
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: the movies. Probably most of them don't agree with you,
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: but you'd never seem to see, with very very rare exceptions,
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: the east would probably be the only one that's coming
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: to mind see someone advertising, you know, conservative politics at
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: such a venue. It's only the left. Why would that be?
• 47:37
  Speaker 16: Clint east Wood never bought it to the Oscars. I
• 47:40
  Speaker 16: think me has got a point. We need to have
• 47:42
  Speaker 16: Ricky Gervais back there as an antiseptic each Oscars. There
• 47:47
  Speaker 16: was an earlier bloke who did a two called Paddi Choyevsky.
• 47:50
  Speaker 16: So actors and people like this are doing incredible damage
• 47:55
  Speaker 16: to their brand. I don't want to go and see
• 47:57
  Speaker 16: a Javier bud End film again, just as I'm completely
• 48:02
  Speaker 16: weary of Guy Pearce, now I used to think was
• 48:04
  Speaker 16: a great actor. They really put the brand on themselves
• 48:10
  Speaker 16: of being politically correct, woke, and it alienates their audiences,
• 48:16
  Speaker 16: their agents and people who promote them learn to their cost.
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: And also I thought Harvey Badam was saying, you know,
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: not to war and free Palestine. The free Palatine causes
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: only in his mind because of a war that Hamas
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: actually started. He's advertising their cause on the basis of
• 48:42
  Speaker 2: the slaughter they perpetrated on October seventh. I mean, there's
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: a little bit of hypocrisy there, and I don't think
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: he's reconciled the two positions at all.
• 48:52
  Speaker 3: Michael Danby Mireslely, thank you very much to you both.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: That's it for me.
• 48:57
  Speaker 2: That's all coming up next. He's watch his Sherry markson
• 49:01
  Speaker 2: with the cracker of a show.
• 49:02
  Speaker 3: Good night, mhm.