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Patriots Unfiltered 12/17: Cardinals Recap, NFL Draft Talk, Offseason Needs · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 5: It's a weird I didn't think there were a ton
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  Speaker 5: of upsets last week. That's why I figured everybody did
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  Speaker 5: reasonably well. Spread is tough for me.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I had some courageous picks that could have been
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  Speaker 9: but uga chaga. I can't stop this feeling the underdog
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  Speaker 9: that is playing really well and has the chance for
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  Speaker 9: the upset. It's a dog with teeth.
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  Speaker 5: So you know they're favored by three. I'm gonna repeat that.
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  Speaker 9: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here
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  Speaker 9: at Jillette Stadium and three more to go, folks, Oh wow,
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  Speaker 9: three more. We're looking ahead because uh, I don't want
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  Speaker 9: to look back to that one. That was very disappointing,
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  Speaker 9: to say the least, coming off a bye. It's Evan,
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  Speaker 9: it's Paul, it's Deuce, it's me, it's Matt and Nabooth
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  Speaker 9: were talking Patriots for the next two hours. Current state
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  Speaker 9: of the team coming off that buy three games to go?
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  Speaker 9: We're sitting at what three and eleven right now? Some yeah,
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  Speaker 9: something like that. Disappointing lot.
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  Speaker 7: Look at it as the third overall pick in the.
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  Speaker 9: Draft, you could, you could look at it that way,
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  Speaker 9: but I'm talking about the here and now, and I think,
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  Speaker 9: I think, and I thought that that game against the
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  Speaker 9: Cardinals was a winnable game, and they just came out
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  Speaker 9: and they were they just I'm mistakes.
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  Speaker 5: I'm not gonna be my over the top snarky self
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  Speaker 5: as I normally am. I would say I didn't necessarily
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  Speaker 5: think it was a winnable game, but I didn't envision
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  Speaker 5: what happened in the game either. I thought it would
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  Speaker 5: be much more competitive than that.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah, So it's frustrating, how it because I felt I
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  Speaker 8: don't know how you guys felt inside the stadium, but
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  Speaker 8: like the first few offensive plays they ran like it
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  Speaker 8: felt like, oh they won the toss, they took the ball,
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  Speaker 8: and you're like, okay, they've got something, and it looked
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  Speaker 8: like they knew what they were doing.
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  Speaker 9: They're marching down the field.
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  Speaker 5: And running reasonably. Well. Yeah, a couple of short passes
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  Speaker 5: and then and they were never competitive again. Yeah, it
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  Speaker 5: was like unbelievable. It's like one holding call completely ended
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  Speaker 5: the game. Yep.
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  Speaker 9: So tough. Yeah, tough to say the least.
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  Speaker 5: And I mean, you guys were there liked it. Was it.
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  Speaker 5: Did it look as bad as like it felt on TV?
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  Speaker 9: Like it? I Well, honestly though, I never felt like,
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  Speaker 9: you know, oh we're getting like, you know dominated. I
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  Speaker 9: just felt like, you know, they got they got to
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  Speaker 9: get going, they got to get going here, they got
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  Speaker 9: to go, they need to stop, they need a good drive,
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  Speaker 9: and they just couldn't do it. They just couldn't do it.
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  Speaker 5: There were so many individual breakdowns that like ended all
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  Speaker 5: of those drives. Yeah, like the holding call that we
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  Speaker 5: mentioned on the first drive, you know, pushes them back
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  Speaker 5: ultimately they missed the field goal. I think the next
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  Speaker 5: drive was the Bredarian low drive right the second series
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  Speaker 5: of the game, where he misses a guy in a
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  Speaker 5: run blitz and misses a guy in past protection. There
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  Speaker 5: was a I think the next drive might have sort
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  Speaker 5: of ended when they had the aborted play with one
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  Speaker 5: of the rolls back snaps where they just had to
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  Speaker 5: like get it in all he could to keep possession.
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  Speaker 5: So all of a sudden, now you know, you're into
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  Speaker 5: the second quarter, you're down two scores in the game's over.
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  Speaker 9: So did you listen to the broadcast?
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  Speaker 5: I did not? Oh you mean TV?
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  Speaker 10: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, TV. I thought you meant the radio.
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  Speaker 5: We watched the game, Ross, you know.
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  Speaker 9: I had it in my ear. Ross Tucker was the
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  Speaker 9: color guy. It's very clear to me that in the
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  Speaker 9: production meeting, the Patriots were very, very transparent with him, because.
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  Speaker 5: That was I totally agree with you.
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  Speaker 9: You would think that that was almost a home not
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  Speaker 9: I'm not talking about because he was favoring the Patriots
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  Speaker 9: or positive towards the Patriots, but it was almost like
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  Speaker 9: that was the team he was covering all the time
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  Speaker 9: time because I would say that most of his comments
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  Speaker 9: were Patriots centric, not not positive, but just about the Patriots.
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  Speaker 5: I kind of agree with you. Yeah, I was going
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  Speaker 5: to go in a different direction, but he was like
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  Speaker 5: Vederian Lowe misses a block on the second series of
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  Speaker 5: the game, and he immediately went to we need the
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  Speaker 5: Patriots are going to need to help him, and they
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  Speaker 5: obviously are getting the ball out really quickly because they
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  Speaker 5: don't trust the pass protection here. I think that I
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  Speaker 5: think was telling me that that came from production.
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  Speaker 9: I think he said the words the Patriots have a
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  Speaker 9: left tackle problem.
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  Speaker 5: Yes, and it was on the first second series of
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  Speaker 5: the game. But the first missed block, he got all
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  Speaker 5: of a sudden they got the problem.
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  Speaker 9: He got that from us. I don't mean us, I
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  Speaker 9: mean I know the production meeting.
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  Speaker 5: I got the same impression.
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  Speaker 9: Yep, And I thought that was interesting. Don't you Didn't
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  Speaker 9: you think I did. I don't know if you called it.
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  Speaker 8: I didn't catch an interesting point. I just I was
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  Speaker 8: curious from the group, just focusing on that Firstarian low
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  Speaker 8: play where it just seemed like he either wasn't ready
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  Speaker 8: to get off at the snap or his eyes were
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  Speaker 8: in the wrong and you know, like I think the
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  Speaker 8: way Jerrod described it afterwards was like the guy got
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  Speaker 8: a good jump. It's just it felt like Venerian low
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  Speaker 8: got a really late jump and didn't really know where
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  Speaker 8: he was going because that guy was by him.
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  Speaker 9: And like, well, now we know why Vederian Lowe likes
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  Speaker 9: to line up in the backfield because he no, he's not.
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  Speaker 5: You're supposed to protect us, listen, No.
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  Speaker 9: But he's not confident about how he gets up, you know,
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  Speaker 9: off the snap. He probably knows himself, I'm slow, I
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  Speaker 9: need a little head start.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's fair, absolutely fair.
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  Speaker 9: You know. So that was disappointing, and you know, you
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  Speaker 9: go down the list. Jalen Polk just cannot you know,
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  Speaker 9: be part of the you know, the on field production
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  Speaker 9: Booty with with the you know, the pass that he
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  Speaker 9: bobbles and ends up being an interception. I thought the
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  Speaker 9: ref call was bad. That took away an interception on
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  Speaker 9: the part of the Patriots. I think that was a
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  Speaker 9: bad call.
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  Speaker 8: I agree another one. I'd like to see you let
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  Speaker 8: that one go.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I think he probably did hit him in
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  Speaker 5: the head, but I don't think it was I don't
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  Speaker 5: think it rose to the level it was not. Did
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  Speaker 5: you see the one that the Falcons benefited from last night?
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  Speaker 5: You know, speaking of these rough and the passer calls.
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  Speaker 5: That was an awful call online.
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  Speaker 7: An awful loss in fantasy football? Oh good in the playoffs,
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  Speaker 7: I lost by point zero two of a point.
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  Speaker 8: Who do you blame who on your on your roster?
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  Speaker 11: On?
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  Speaker 8: Yes, his family league actually players right now.
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  Speaker 7: I don't like being that guy, Mike that blames people
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  Speaker 7: for your fantasy football team. But young Way Coup, you
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  Speaker 7: were dead to me. He missed the field goal at
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  Speaker 7: the end of the game, and very very end of
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  Speaker 7: the game. He missed like a forty something yards.
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  Speaker 9: Done for you?
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  Speaker 5: Are you sure?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: I missed that.
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  Speaker 7: He missed the field goal, and uh, I was winning
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  Speaker 7: by a point and when he missed the field goal,
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  Speaker 7: oh I lost the point.
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  Speaker 9: Wow, he was here.
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  Speaker 8: I mean, you had your chance when he was here,
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  Speaker 8: you could or something.
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  Speaker 5: That's a tough, that's a bad. Basically Stanford is going
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  Speaker 5: to focus on that one. I think next week bad
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  Speaker 5: beats its tough.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know. And the Patriots defense just continues to
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  Speaker 9: get worse and worse. It seems middle of the field
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  Speaker 9: linebacker play, especially on coverage, uh just not there. Safety
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  Speaker 9: play failed us this game. Some of the third bad angles.
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  Speaker 5: In the second half seemed non competitive. It was like
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  Speaker 5: third six and they went to great lengths to tell
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  Speaker 5: you how bad the Cardinals are on third and long.
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  Speaker 5: They're like thirty second in the league on third and long.
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  Speaker 5: And they were completing passes.
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  Speaker 8: Like effortless, just out of the backfield, like the little
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  Speaker 8: just flare out and the.
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  Speaker 5: One at the end of the first half to Dorche.
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  Speaker 5: Then you had like a couple of McBride in the
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  Speaker 5: second half, but killed just easy, easy pitching catch.
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  Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, Evan Evan wrote it. I mean, I agree,
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  Speaker 8: I think Pepper's I mean, he was on that fifty
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  Speaker 8: two yard run. Whatever it was, I made a bad angle,
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  Speaker 8: flat footed. He doesn't look the same as he even
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  Speaker 8: looked in the sum missing Douger having some like embarrassing
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  Speaker 8: missing of tackles that you.
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  Speaker 5: Know he was on the doorage play.
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  Speaker 8: Put on the Twitter machine where he's you know, flying
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  Speaker 8: out of the way. Yeah, And I mean me and
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  Speaker 8: Eman were talking about a little bit, and it's just
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  Speaker 8: I think when the Patriots defense was good up front
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  Speaker 8: and in sync, you just you see they build the wall.
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  Speaker 8: You know that one PAULI build the wall. You know,
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  Speaker 8: it's straight across. There's not a lot of space. When
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  Speaker 8: the ball goes to one size the spce, the space
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  Speaker 8: compresses and the linebackers are able to read. And I
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  Speaker 8: just I saw someone on Twitter calling out the Patriots
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  Speaker 8: just linebackers overall, and it's I just totally agree. I
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  Speaker 8: think you're witnessing what it's like when a team just
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  Speaker 8: does not have off the ball linebacker play guys that
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  Speaker 8: And honestly, like I make fun of myself because when
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  Speaker 8: I was a freshman, I loved I was an inside linebacker.
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  Speaker 8: I loved it, but I had no idea what I
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  Speaker 8: was doing. And I remember the coach is talking to me,
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  Speaker 8: like specifically saying, you know, you gotta read how the
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  Speaker 8: guards go. If they come out and they're trying to
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  Speaker 8: block you this way, you got to get around them
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  Speaker 8: and you gotta beat them to the point. And there's
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  Speaker 8: just none of those places when the Patriots linebackers ever,
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  Speaker 8: they can't get around. They're not that get or have
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  Speaker 8: the vision to get around those blocks. They're not physical
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  Speaker 8: enough to get through them, and.
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  Speaker 9: They're not going downhill and if they're not taking good angles.
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  Speaker 8: And how many runs are just you know, not even like, yes,
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  Speaker 8: some of them are straight, but other ones are weaving
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  Speaker 8: through and then they're off, you know, a lot of them.
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  Speaker 5: There's a couple of plays like in the middle of
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  Speaker 5: the game that Mike, Mike got a little frustrated in
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  Speaker 5: this game. Have you know when when the defense isn't
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  Speaker 5: playing well, you know, that doesn't sit well, doesn't sit
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  Speaker 5: well with Mike. But there was like back to back
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  Speaker 5: plays where we're watching the replay and Mike is counting
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  Speaker 5: how many yards James Connor got before being contacted. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: Like there was one that was like eleven yards before
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  Speaker 5: anybody even touched them. And that's getting blown off the ball.
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  Speaker 5: That's not feeling playing downhill. Like Fred said, that's total
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  Speaker 5: system breakdown. So it's not mistackles, it's no one's there
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  Speaker 5: to tackle.
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  Speaker 8: And I mean, I think I do think it's interesting
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  Speaker 8: in a way because at times you'll see Infony Jennings
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  Speaker 8: will make just stout the edges set.
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  Speaker 5: He is there, that's his thing.
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  Speaker 8: He's you know, you'll see plays where Devon Godshaw stats
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  Speaker 8: this guy looks which way sheds. I mean, that's what
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  Speaker 8: it's supposed to look like. But there's just too many
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  Speaker 8: pieces around them that make none of those there's you know,
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  Speaker 8: there are moments where you like, that's an NFL play,
• 11:44
  Speaker 8: Infhony Jennings, that's an NFL play, That's an NFL play,
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  Speaker 8: Davon Godsha. But you know, after them, it's it's a
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  Speaker 8: quick drop between the other guys that are actually making
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  Speaker 8: an impact like that, and certainly, you know, not enough
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  Speaker 8: to play on their side of the field, their side
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  Speaker 8: of the line of scrimmage. I mean, everything is at
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  Speaker 8: least two three yards before they're you know, even close
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  Speaker 8: to and they're coming off a bye, right, you know,
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  Speaker 8: you have a little extra time to prepare.
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  Speaker 9: You should be a little bit more rested up, no excuses,
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  Speaker 9: just no excuses. You're hoping that these last four games,
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  Speaker 9: you know, you'd see some positive things, and we didn't
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  Speaker 9: see it. Now you know, of course, Drake may I
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  Speaker 9: think he played fine. A lot of it was at
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  Speaker 9: the end when and the game was kind of out
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  Speaker 9: of hand. I think Gonzales played well. Although Patris fans
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  Speaker 9: are going to get a little upset with me, I
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  Speaker 9: think I might be. I thought two of those plays
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  Speaker 9: that he had were borderline pass an.
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  Speaker 5: Afference, so I didn't think either one of them was interference.
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  Speaker 5: But I do think this. It brought me back, and
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  Speaker 5: Mike and I talked about this during the game when
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  Speaker 5: the plays happened. It brought me back to the argument
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  Speaker 5: that we had a couple of weeks ago when everyone
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  Speaker 5: was saying, he doesn't think you should be rewarded for that.
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  Speaker 5: They were both on Harrison, right. All Harrison had to
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  Speaker 5: do was stop and go for the ball. Yeah, and
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  Speaker 5: he would have gotten interference both times, because I don't
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  Speaker 5: think there's any way that Gonzales could have avoided contact
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  Speaker 5: if he had done that. But I didn't think either
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  Speaker 5: one of them. I thought that was the best game
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  Speaker 5: I've ever seen him play. Okay, I thought he was
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  Speaker 5: really good in that game.
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  Speaker 7: Okay, I thought he had Harrison so in jail that
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  Speaker 7: that he wasn't going for the ball, like he wasn't
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  Speaker 7: locked into his And then the one time the pass
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  Speaker 7: is there, he has the ball in his hands and
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  Speaker 7: he allows Gonzalez to.
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  Speaker 5: Take it out.
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  Speaker 9: That was a great place.
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  Speaker 5: I been a bad play by Harrison too.
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  Speaker 9: Well, it is, but but you should never give up
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  Speaker 9: on the play.
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  Speaker 5: I thought it was literally the best game.
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  Speaker 9: It was the equivalent. And I thought that game across
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  Speaker 9: that would be called a trail check.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, when you when you when at some point the
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  Speaker 7: Gonzales Pro Bowl All Pro case, like that film is
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  Speaker 7: the film?
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  Speaker 5: So that was another one about the transparency. Was Ross
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  Speaker 5: Tucker over the top, like you should have heard him
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  Speaker 5: talking about Gonzales.
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  Speaker 9: I like Ross Tucker, I thought he was really good.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I didn't think there was anything.
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  Speaker 9: I mean, we don't get to hear a lot of
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  Speaker 9: other games.
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  Speaker 5: I mean that's unfortunately, this is where we are. We
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  Speaker 5: have to I mean that's got to be yeah, I
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  Speaker 5: mean how many how many crews do you think they
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  Speaker 5: have of all the.
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  Speaker 9: Color of all the color analysts have heard. He's as
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  Speaker 9: good as any I've heard. I put him up there
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  Speaker 9: with Greg Olsen. Oh yeah, that's absolutely anyway. I don't
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  Speaker 9: want to digress, but I did.
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  Speaker 5: I thought the broadcast was fine. Now there's a couple,
• 14:25
  Speaker 5: you know, minor nitpicks, like the Patriots kicked a field
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  Speaker 5: goal to make it ten to three, and the guy
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  Speaker 5: goes and it brings brings the Patriots within four, and
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  Speaker 5: that's funny.
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  Speaker 9: Man.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, but you know that's just a mistake. That's not
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  Speaker 5: necessarily an indictment on their ability to call the game.
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  Speaker 5: I thought, like, I know, like, I feel like I
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  Speaker 5: want to keep saying this about Gonzales because I think
• 14:48
  Speaker 5: that I'm accused at times of being a little critical.
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  Speaker 5: This is the game that people have been telling me
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  Speaker 5: that he has every game. Like I saw it down
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  Speaker 5: the field, them targeting the guy that he was covering,
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  Speaker 5: and he is making sure the guy that he's covering
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  Speaker 5: is not catching the ball. And I know that the
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  Speaker 5: stats and all, like all other games are similar to this.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't see it like this, you don't. I didn't
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  Speaker 5: see this in the Rams game. I saw it in
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  Speaker 5: this game. You know, I saw him. I think Evan
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  Speaker 5: put it really well, like he just had Harrison locked up.
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  Speaker 5: Now Harrison and he's kind of been been a little
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  Speaker 5: mid for for a guy who was supposed to transcend
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  Speaker 5: the rookie wide receiver corps. Yeah, I think you can
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  Speaker 5: make an argument that he's the He's definitely the third
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  Speaker 5: best of the of the rookie first round. Is you
• 15:35
  Speaker 5: can make an argument that he's fourth best.
• 15:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Brian speak speak.
• 15:39
  Speaker 5: Thomas, Thomas and neighbors are absolutely been.
• 15:41
  Speaker 9: Better than Yeah, speaking of Gonzales. And you know, looking
• 15:44
  Speaker 9: ahead to twenty twenty five, So you have one corner,
• 15:47
  Speaker 9: do you Trake? If you can, do you take Travis
• 15:49
  Speaker 9: Hunter as a corner and just solidify that position.
• 15:54
  Speaker 8: It's a great conversation we talked a lot about on
• 15:56
  Speaker 8: the postgame show, and people are turning the page to that.
• 15:59
  Speaker 8: I'll just say off the top, I would I would
• 16:01
  Speaker 8: definitely not rule out Travis Hunter because he's just so
• 16:04
  Speaker 8: skilled and talented. But when we get through free agency,
• 16:07
  Speaker 8: we'll see what kind of new cornerback is And you know,
• 16:10
  Speaker 8: if I think that's what people have to accept, And
• 16:12
  Speaker 8: we got some calls on the postgame show, if you
• 16:14
  Speaker 8: know there are people out there that think he's going
• 16:15
  Speaker 8: to play both ways and really make an impact in
• 16:18
  Speaker 8: both positions. And I can understand if you believe that
• 16:20
  Speaker 8: that you would think what a great fit for the Patriots.
• 16:23
  Speaker 8: I just think some of us are skeptical that he'll
• 16:25
  Speaker 8: have the kind of impact of the wide receiver.
• 16:28
  Speaker 9: I've heard the argument just because it hasn't been done
• 16:30
  Speaker 9: in a long time. You know, I'm talking seventy years
• 16:33
  Speaker 9: doesn't mean a player can't now do it. But it's
• 16:36
  Speaker 9: unreasonable in the NFL to expect a player to play
• 16:39
  Speaker 9: both ways. I mean really played both ways. I don't
• 16:42
  Speaker 9: mean as a gadget Marcus Jones.
• 16:44
  Speaker 5: Right, you know, I'm talking sixty five plays on.
• 16:47
  Speaker 9: Both sides of But can't do it. I can't do it.
• 16:49
  Speaker 7: I just think the bigger question is can he play
• 16:52
  Speaker 7: wide receiver at the NFL at a high level? Because
• 16:56
  Speaker 7: it's undoubtedly more valuable for him to be a wide receiver.
• 17:01
  Speaker 9: But he's a better corner than he is a receiver,
• 17:03
  Speaker 9: don't you think.
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I do buy a lot.
• 17:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah I don't know about a lot, but yeah, but
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: he's no matter which way you slice it, whether it's
• 17:13
  Speaker 7: from the player perspective or the team perspective, it's more
• 17:15
  Speaker 7: valuable for him to be a great receiver.
• 17:17
  Speaker 5: Oh of course it's yeah, I would I I would
• 17:19
  Speaker 5: agree with you.
• 17:20
  Speaker 7: I just him too right for him most importantly, Yeah,
• 17:23
  Speaker 7: and I given the guy that advising him, the maximizing
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: his earning potential in the NFL is going to be
• 17:29
  Speaker 7: number one on his list of to dos. From Dion's perspective,
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: So like, if he plays wide receiver and he's a stud,
• 17:37
  Speaker 7: which I think he has the potential to be, he's
• 17:39
  Speaker 7: going to be making this different view, he's going to
• 17:41
  Speaker 7: be making thirty million dollars a year yep, in four
• 17:44
  Speaker 7: or five years. If he's a really really good corner,
• 17:48
  Speaker 7: it can be making twenty maybe twenty talking four to
• 17:51
  Speaker 7: five years from now. Yeah, yeah, but like it's all relative.
• 17:54
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, you pump up the wide receiver number too though, right.
• 17:58
  Speaker 7: Around thirty five. Yeah, his his receiver tape is excellent,
• 18:03
  Speaker 7: like much better than I thought of.
• 18:04
  Speaker 9: I don't think like maybe going up against.
• 18:07
  Speaker 7: I mean you could say the same about everybody at.
• 18:09
  Speaker 5: That leng, right, I don't see it that way, But
• 18:12
  Speaker 5: I mean I coming at this full disclosure, I do
• 18:16
  Speaker 5: not watch every play of these games. But when I
• 18:19
  Speaker 5: watch Colorado, I see a technician like as a cornerback. Well,
• 18:24
  Speaker 5: that's what he is, incredible, incredible mirroring skills like wide receiver.
• 18:31
  Speaker 5: I see an athlete who's better than the guy covering him,
• 18:33
  Speaker 5: going up and making place. I don't think that that's
• 18:36
  Speaker 5: something you can rely on in the NFL. Just I'm
• 18:38
  Speaker 5: just the best athlete on the field every game that
• 18:40
  Speaker 5: I play, right.
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: But if he focuses on receiver full time.
• 18:45
  Speaker 5: Hands, it's probably great ball skills.
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: Skills and his ability to finish through contact is what
• 18:51
  Speaker 7: gives me hope that he could play receiver in the NFL.
• 18:53
  Speaker 5: We had a lot of people calling in on your side,
• 18:55
  Speaker 5: Evan on Sunday, pushing back on my because I feel
• 18:58
  Speaker 5: like he's a great corner, he's a guy who plays
• 19:01
  Speaker 5: wide receiver, and obviously a lot of listeners agree with you.
• 19:05
  Speaker 5: They think he could be great at both.
• 19:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean he won the bulletin Gough, So he's
• 19:09
  Speaker 7: the best receiver in the country for people that you
• 19:12
  Speaker 7: know college football.
• 19:13
  Speaker 9: So what's more realistic then if you're going to play
• 19:17
  Speaker 9: both ways full time receiver, spot corner or spot receiver
• 19:24
  Speaker 9: full time corner.
• 19:25
  Speaker 7: I would say the Marcus Jones full time corner spot
• 19:28
  Speaker 7: receiver because they can use him third down gadget, you
• 19:32
  Speaker 7: know that kind of things on offense. You can't really
• 19:34
  Speaker 7: do that on defense, Like you're either in the defense
• 19:36
  Speaker 7: or you're not.
• 19:37
  Speaker 9: You know, you don't put him in on obvious passing plays.
• 19:42
  Speaker 5: But that's like every play, Yeah, I guess, yeah, yeah.
• 19:46
  Speaker 7: Like you're either on defense or you're not. I feel like,
• 19:48
  Speaker 7: but you know, the biggest things with him at receiver,
• 19:52
  Speaker 7: his ball skills are excellent, like his ability to track
• 19:54
  Speaker 7: the ball finished through contact, make plays in traffic. And
• 19:58
  Speaker 7: he's got a really good feel and instinct for zone coverage,
• 20:02
  Speaker 7: like just being able to find soft spots and voids
• 20:05
  Speaker 7: and work with the quarterback and things like that. So
• 20:08
  Speaker 7: you have those two baselines, like you can teach him
• 20:10
  Speaker 7: how to release, you can teach him how to you know,
• 20:12
  Speaker 7: technique at the top of the route if he needs
• 20:14
  Speaker 7: to develop in that sense. So, I it's a tough one,
• 20:18
  Speaker 7: and I expect him to want to play receiver more
• 20:21
  Speaker 7: than corner.
• 20:22
  Speaker 5: I know he wants to try to do both. That's
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: what he's he he's talked about. I saw a thing
• 20:27
  Speaker 5: with Richard Sherman talking to him, and he was just like,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: you know, just stick with corner and you know, or
• 20:35
  Speaker 5: you know, stick with one. And his point was, they're
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: gonna run you ragged if you're trying to try, if
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: you're playing full time both, They're gonna line up a
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: receiver and they're gonna run fifty yard go routes on
• 20:48
  Speaker 5: you all game.
• 20:50
  Speaker 9: And how do you practice that?
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: So they're going to wear you out for offense if
• 20:54
  Speaker 5: you if you're going to try to play both. Now,
• 20:58
  Speaker 5: Richard Sherman's a guy who played both at a high
• 21:00
  Speaker 5: level in college. Like he started his career at Stanford
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: as a wide receiver. I shouldn't say necessarily as a
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: high level because he became a high level player in
• 21:09
  Speaker 5: the pros. He wasn't necessarily that coming out the way
• 21:12
  Speaker 5: that the Hunter is. Hunter's the Heisman Trophy winner. He's
• 21:15
  Speaker 5: the best player in college football, and Sherman wasn't considered
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: that at Stanford. But he's a guy who has some
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: experience playing on both sides of the ball.
• 21:22
  Speaker 9: Yeah, all right, well that's gonna be interesting saying right
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: now as it sits Patriots are drafting where third Okay
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: Raiders Giants.
• 21:32
  Speaker 5: I don't know who's who's first, Giants.
• 21:35
  Speaker 7: Traiders, Giants, Patriots, Okay, Panthers, Jaguars, and you know, with
• 21:40
  Speaker 7: two games against the Bills and once it went against
• 21:42
  Speaker 7: the Chargers, Uh, it's.
• 21:44
  Speaker 9: Gonna be tough for the Patriots to get that fourth win.
• 21:48
  Speaker 9: You know, I'm still holding out hope. You know, as
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: it stands, I said the Patriots ceiling is six this year,
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: and by god it is that's their ceiling, right, I
• 21:59
  Speaker 9: was right on.
• 22:01
  Speaker 7: I'll take the number one pick.
• 22:03
  Speaker 8: What a what a challenge though this week to have
• 22:04
  Speaker 8: to go play that Buffalo team. I mean, that's they're
• 22:07
  Speaker 8: creally humming. So they're wearing their all new I wish.
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: I could have watched that game.
• 22:12
  Speaker 5: What do they get?
• 22:13
  Speaker 8: They weren't all new red uniforms.
• 22:15
  Speaker 9: Yeah, right on white.
• 22:17
  Speaker 5: That's disconcerting.
• 22:18
  Speaker 7: I just feel like the comparison of watching Buffalo's offense,
• 22:22
  Speaker 7: and obviously they have better players and that certainly helps,
• 22:25
  Speaker 7: but just watching Joe Brady and Josh Allen and how
• 22:28
  Speaker 7: they've designed that offense around Josh Allen and the compare
• 22:32
  Speaker 7: and contrast to what the Patriots are running offensively right now,
• 22:37
  Speaker 7: it's disheartening. I guess, you know, like it's just from
• 22:41
  Speaker 7: a play design perspective, the Bills have leveraged all of
• 22:45
  Speaker 7: Josh Allen's talents into their offense, and the Lions defense
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: was just in an absolute blender for four quarters, like
• 22:52
  Speaker 7: just had no idea where the ball was coming out.
• 22:55
  Speaker 7: And you know, I know, a big conversation right now
• 22:58
  Speaker 7: is about the design quarterback runs with Drake May or
• 23:01
  Speaker 7: their lack thereof. And you know, the Bills are running veer,
• 23:04
  Speaker 7: They're running there three years.
• 23:06
  Speaker 9: I mean, you know, give it time with Drake May.
• 23:08
  Speaker 9: We'll get there, will we We'll get there absolutely, Okay, yeah,
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: you know skeptical.
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: I mean, like, well, we're Bills there the first year
• 23:16
  Speaker 5: that but they ran Josh Allen.
• 23:18
  Speaker 9: They ran them, but they he didn't have the command
• 23:21
  Speaker 9: of the game that he has right now. I mean,
• 23:23
  Speaker 9: come on, Tom Brady didn't have the command.
• 23:27
  Speaker 7: We're not talking about him going through progressions like this
• 23:29
  Speaker 7: is like he's reading an end, the end crashes, he
• 23:33
  Speaker 7: keeps the ball and if he doesn't, shuts it off
• 23:35
  Speaker 7: all right, Like that that type of stuff is stuff
• 23:37
  Speaker 7: that all these quarterbacks are doing from high school on now, right,
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: Like that's not it.
• 23:42
  Speaker 9: Didn't look that good in Josh Allen's first year.
• 23:44
  Speaker 7: No, no, it didn't know what he was doing. But
• 23:47
  Speaker 7: ahead of Josh Allen, you.
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: Keep changing it. No one's asking it to look as
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: good as he's looking for Josh Allen. Yeah, they're asking
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: Evans asking to have some design runs for Drake May.
• 23:58
  Speaker 5: That's not the same thing.
• 23:59
  Speaker 9: All right, But here's a question right for you, Paul,
• 24:02
  Speaker 9: because on your show yesterday when I show Felger led
• 24:06
  Speaker 9: the show off with the statement that the Patriots made
• 24:09
  Speaker 9: an organizational decision they're not going to run Drake May.
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: Is that true?
• 24:14
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 24:15
  Speaker 9: I heard that.
• 24:16
  Speaker 5: I don't know if it's true, and I don't know
• 24:17
  Speaker 5: what he's facing it on. But if you're asking me
• 24:20
  Speaker 5: what what I think, Do I think that's true or not?
• 24:23
  Speaker 5: I'm going to err on the side of saying I
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: think it's true. Yeah, I have no idea.
• 24:27
  Speaker 9: No, I don't know there. But I just think that
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: they're just not calling those plays.
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: It can't be an accident that they haven't called a
• 24:34
  Speaker 5: design runs.
• 24:35
  Speaker 9: Even sneaker, whether it's a VP thinking you know, we're
• 24:38
  Speaker 9: not going to go there yet, maybe those aren't things
• 24:40
  Speaker 9: He has to work on and right now we want
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: to do things that he needs to work on.
• 24:43
  Speaker 5: So I don't know, I'll give you another I don't know,
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: I'll give you another reason why I feel that way,
• 24:47
  Speaker 5: And it's back to your transparency in the Evidently in
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: the production meeting there was one of the plays that
• 24:53
  Speaker 5: he ran and he got out of the pocket, ducked
• 24:56
  Speaker 5: out of bounds and I did he slide once? Yeah,
• 24:59
  Speaker 5: And when he slid, they said they don't want him
• 25:02
  Speaker 5: to slide feet first because of what happened to him
• 25:04
  Speaker 5: earlier in the year. They want so this is clearly
• 25:08
  Speaker 5: something they're talking about about his running and they don't
• 25:10
  Speaker 5: want him running, and they want him running and protecting himself.
• 25:13
  Speaker 5: That's at the top of the list. So if you're
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: asking me what I think, I think that they have
• 25:18
  Speaker 5: made a decision. We're not going to make any unnecessary
• 25:22
  Speaker 5: hits for Drake May by asking him to be a
• 25:24
  Speaker 5: design runner.
• 25:25
  Speaker 9: Felga said it like it was a fact.
• 25:27
  Speaker 5: I don't have anything to base that on. So I
• 25:30
  Speaker 5: don't know if Mike is just overstating something as fact
• 25:33
  Speaker 5: that really isn't. It's really his opinion. But if you're
• 25:36
  Speaker 5: asking me what I think I think he's right.
• 25:38
  Speaker 7: It's there's two explanations. It's either they're protecting him they
• 25:42
  Speaker 7: don't want to run him, like Felger said, Or is
• 25:44
  Speaker 7: that they don't have the schematic chops to design the place.
• 25:47
  Speaker 7: Oh right, there's there's only those two things.
• 25:50
  Speaker 9: Well, maybe we just haven't installed. We really haven't practiced
• 25:53
  Speaker 9: that yet. We're working on other stuff.
• 25:55
  Speaker 7: How could you not practice it yet?
• 25:57
  Speaker 9: Though?
• 25:57
  Speaker 7: Like this is what he is, Like you're you're this
• 26:00
  Speaker 7: is his superpower? Well, like his physical traits are his superpower.
• 26:04
  Speaker 7: And if you don't, like.
• 26:05
  Speaker 9: Again, it's first year. We're not going anywhere, we're not playoffs.
• 26:08
  Speaker 9: Let's have him develop the things that he's not that
• 26:10
  Speaker 9: good at yet, and then year two you pull out
• 26:13
  Speaker 9: the superpowers.
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: I guess I.
• 26:15
  Speaker 5: Just I don't know.
• 26:16
  Speaker 7: I'm just I'm just saying, No, I hear what you're saying.
• 26:18
  Speaker 7: I just look, I just thought offensively with this game plan,
• 26:21
  Speaker 7: like he threw thirty percent of his passes behind the
• 26:25
  Speaker 7: line scrimmage, Like his average aery yards per attempt in
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: the first half was negative point eight.
• 26:29
  Speaker 9: Is that because of the line It could.
• 26:32
  Speaker 5: Be I think that's why they did it.
• 26:33
  Speaker 7: It just didn't work, But like, why are they you know,
• 26:35
  Speaker 7: they're terrified of the line and he's just not They're
• 26:39
  Speaker 7: not letting him get a rhythm or get into the
• 26:41
  Speaker 7: game at all. Like he's just throwing screens. He's throwing
• 26:44
  Speaker 7: quick game like they they give up a sack, you know,
• 26:46
  Speaker 7: Darien Low gives up a sack. I don't even know
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: what the play was, Like, I don't even know what
• 26:50
  Speaker 7: routes these guys are running.
• 26:51
  Speaker 9: So you're down on a VP today.
• 26:53
  Speaker 7: I'm down on all of it. But like it just
• 26:57
  Speaker 7: it's really disheartening to watch. You know, they don't let
• 27:02
  Speaker 7: Drake go out and try to win the game for
• 27:04
  Speaker 7: him like they you know, you always said that you
• 27:06
  Speaker 7: didn't want them managing him like they managed mac Jones. Yes,
• 27:10
  Speaker 7: that's exactly what they did on Sunday. I think they're
• 27:12
  Speaker 7: they coddled him, like they're not letting him run. They're
• 27:15
  Speaker 7: not running him by design. They're not letting him throw
• 27:17
  Speaker 7: the ball down the field, like he didn't throw a
• 27:19
  Speaker 7: ball over ten yards until the third quarter.
• 27:21
  Speaker 9: All right, Well, listen to me. It's it's approach, you know,
• 27:26
  Speaker 9: it's modus operende so far, because I think they should
• 27:29
  Speaker 9: have started him on week one. The fact that they
• 27:31
  Speaker 9: didn't do that until what week six or seven? This
• 27:35
  Speaker 9: makes sense to me that they're they're taking their time
• 27:38
  Speaker 9: with him. But I'm not disagreeing with you and that
• 27:42
  Speaker 9: they should be doing that.
• 27:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just think the only thing to me at
• 27:45
  Speaker 7: this point because I agree with you at this like
• 27:46
  Speaker 7: it's kind of water under the bridge at this point,
• 27:48
  Speaker 7: like there's three games left in the season. But if
• 27:51
  Speaker 7: I'm girod Mayo and I'm you know, Elliott Wolf, like
• 27:54
  Speaker 7: I'm going to a VP and I'm at the end
• 27:57
  Speaker 7: of the season and I'm saying, you know what, what
• 27:59
  Speaker 7: is our plan for two point zero?
• 28:01
  Speaker 9: Yeah, and just remind me in the a VP offense
• 28:06
  Speaker 9: is what you want him to do? Part of that?
• 28:09
  Speaker 9: Not really And that's okay, And that's kind of.
• 28:12
  Speaker 7: Why he got, you know, he left Cleveland like was
• 28:15
  Speaker 7: because that Cleveland wanted to bring a lot more of
• 28:18
  Speaker 7: this kind of stuff with DeShawn Watson because that's what
• 28:20
  Speaker 7: Deshaun Watson is good at. So it just you have
• 28:24
  Speaker 7: to go to and you have to say, you know,
• 28:27
  Speaker 7: present to me what you're gonna install next year for
• 28:31
  Speaker 7: Drake in these elements, right, like, how are we going
• 28:35
  Speaker 7: to be the Buffalo Bills offensively in terms of scheme
• 28:37
  Speaker 7: and design? And if he past you know, if he
• 28:40
  Speaker 7: has a good presentation, then great. But if it's gonna
• 28:44
  Speaker 7: be a VP, like, send him to a college team
• 28:48
  Speaker 7: for a week or two, Like, send him to one
• 28:50
  Speaker 7: of these you know college you know coaches that run
• 28:53
  Speaker 7: this type of stuff all the time, you know, and
• 28:56
  Speaker 7: that's their offense, and that's the base of their offense.
• 28:58
  Speaker 7: And then next year in OTAs in training camp, like
• 29:01
  Speaker 7: this is the type of stuff they need to be
• 29:02
  Speaker 7: doing from day one, you know it, just build on
• 29:06
  Speaker 7: it then, Like if that's what they do, then like fine,
• 29:09
  Speaker 7: it's frustrating right now that this is you know, how
• 29:11
  Speaker 7: they're doing it. Like it's third and one at the
• 29:13
  Speaker 7: four yard line and they're under center with seven offensive
• 29:16
  Speaker 7: linemen on the field and Drake is not even a
• 29:18
  Speaker 7: factor that he could take off and run with the football.
• 29:21
  Speaker 7: But if we get to next September and they come
• 29:25
  Speaker 7: out and they have all this stuff in the offense,
• 29:28
  Speaker 7: then great.
• 29:29
  Speaker 9: So let's just say that they are gonna do what
• 29:31
  Speaker 9: you're saying, They're gonna start instituting a lot of this
• 29:35
  Speaker 9: type of offense for twenty twenty five. Yeah, if that's
• 29:39
  Speaker 9: the case, what's the biggest need right now on the team?
• 29:43
  Speaker 7: I mean I still think it's offensive line.
• 29:45
  Speaker 9: It's O line.
• 29:46
  Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, like the Bills have Deon Dawkins and
• 29:48
  Speaker 7: like they like to run that long trap play with
• 29:51
  Speaker 7: him as the lead blocker, and like he's a really
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: good player, so he can block in space, he can
• 29:56
  Speaker 7: block on the movies. Athletic, he can get up to
• 29:58
  Speaker 7: the second level, you know, he can do those types
• 30:01
  Speaker 7: of things, like they have an elite tackle that that
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: can do those, you know, types of things that are
• 30:05
  Speaker 7: a little bit more exotic for.
• 30:06
  Speaker 9: What you're gonna keep cool strangers. He better at guard
• 30:09
  Speaker 9: in that system than center? Uh or is it not? Yeah?
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: I don't think that necessarily matters, Like to me, I
• 30:16
  Speaker 7: just think that it's it's a play design thing. Like
• 30:18
  Speaker 7: you look at the Bills in the way that you know, formationally,
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: they create space and they create conflict in the defense
• 30:23
  Speaker 7: and they're constantly moving around you.
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: Trade on when you in that system. Is he too
• 30:28
  Speaker 9: big for that? Uh? No?
• 30:30
  Speaker 7: Because you can run like you can run power, like
• 30:33
  Speaker 7: you can run downhill like Buffalo runs gap like they
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: don't run zone off of these runs like they they're
• 30:39
  Speaker 7: pulling people and they're coming at you, so like it
• 30:42
  Speaker 7: doesn't have to be you know, I think that's like
• 30:44
  Speaker 7: kind of people say that, oh, zone read, like it
• 30:47
  Speaker 7: doesn't have to just be zone read. Like you can
• 30:49
  Speaker 7: run gap read plays too, you know, counter trap power.
• 30:53
  Speaker 9: Oh listen, I'm with you, I'm with you. You know,
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: let's let's make the most use of this guy's talent
• 30:59
  Speaker 9: that we can. And I think that's hopefully what's going
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: to happen in twenty twenty five. Yeah, the question is
• 31:07
  Speaker 9: who's going to be the person to implement instant incorporate that,
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: you know, because right now the world seems to be
• 31:16
  Speaker 9: down on AVP.
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: A little bit taken a lot of a lot of heat.
• 31:19
  Speaker 9: Yep, I have never I still give them credit for
• 31:23
  Speaker 9: getting made to this point. You know, I didn't credit.
• 31:26
  Speaker 5: Obviously, I didn't love. I'm not going to be the
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: contrarian say how great it was on Sunday. I didn't love.
• 31:32
  Speaker 5: I didn't love the plan on Sunday. I think in general,
• 31:36
  Speaker 5: I'm not exactly like I got in an argument this
• 31:38
  Speaker 5: morning some talking about how aggressive they were late in
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: the game. You know, with the tempo and this and that,
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: and I'm like, why would you watch anything that happened
• 31:51
  Speaker 5: in the fourth quarter of that game? And have you
• 31:53
  Speaker 5: watched have any takeaway from it in any every game?
• 31:57
  Speaker 5: Like do you but do you honestly think if they
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: ran no huddle early at the start of every game
• 32:03
  Speaker 5: that Drake May would make it through the game given
• 32:05
  Speaker 5: the protection issues that they have, or do you think
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: that maybe the Cardinals with a twenty point lead in
• 32:10
  Speaker 5: eight minutes left aren't necessarily going hell bent for leather
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: and used that again and after Drake May, like they're
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: not going to be blitzing.
• 32:19
  Speaker 9: And I heard people say, you know with the touchdown
• 32:22
  Speaker 9: that May scored running you know, he just walked in.
• 32:26
  Speaker 9: See that's what he can do if you allow him
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: to run in the reds its like, yes, they weren't
• 32:30
  Speaker 9: even playing defense.
• 32:32
  Speaker 5: No, no one was playing at all, you know, like
• 32:34
  Speaker 5: even the like Evan made a good point about the
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: ten yards like none of the passes. This is where
• 32:39
  Speaker 5: I would say, I have you know, some of the problems.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: I understand sort of conceptually what they were thinking in
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: terms of the Cardinals blitz a lot on defense, but
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: they know maybe we can use some of that aggressiveness
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: against them, and you run a bunch of screens. How
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: about after like the second one that goes for no gain,
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: you change that a little bit and do something different.
• 33:00
  Speaker 5: The entire first half, what was it minus point eight?
• 33:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like that's.
• 33:05
  Speaker 5: The average are yards of the of the throw. You know.
• 33:08
  Speaker 5: I'm watching the Bears last night and there was like
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: midway through the second quarter was a similar number for
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: Caleb Williams. It was like minus point four. And I'm
• 33:17
  Speaker 5: on Twitter and everybody is destroying Caleb Williams and everything, like, well, what.
• 33:23
  Speaker 12: Do you think he's supposed to?
• 33:24
  Speaker 5: What do you think he's supposed to do? Like he's running.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: This is what they're they're calling DJ Moore. I don't
• 33:30
  Speaker 5: know if you watched any of this game last night,
• 33:31
  Speaker 5: but Dj Moore was like a huge focal point. They're
• 33:35
  Speaker 5: running him as a running back. He has running back
• 33:37
  Speaker 5: experience from his college days. Like then all of a sudden,
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: he starts throwing the ball downfield and they started moving
• 33:44
  Speaker 5: the ball a little bit. At least the Bears, who
• 33:46
  Speaker 5: have an interim coach, changed like in the middle of
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: the game.
• 33:49
  Speaker 9: Well, or use that to set that up right.
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: And they started doing some different things. Now, Williams still
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: missed some open throws and stuff, and he was still
• 33:57
  Speaker 5: a erratic, but at least they moved. They moved the
• 34:00
  Speaker 5: ball very well last night. At times, they just couldn't
• 34:02
  Speaker 5: score because they kept self destructing. I would take that
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: that's the Colts game for the Patriots. They moved the
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: ball very well in the Colts game and self destructed
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: when they got in the red zone. I'll take that.
• 34:14
  Speaker 5: Sunday was not that. Sunday was we can't get out
• 34:17
  Speaker 5: of our own way and we're not even trying to
• 34:19
  Speaker 5: get the ball downfield to make plays. And it was
• 34:22
  Speaker 5: the most predictable call ever. Yeah, the first play of
• 34:26
  Speaker 5: the second half was going to be a bomb and
• 34:29
  Speaker 5: what happens. He throws it into double coverage. Yeah, and
• 34:32
  Speaker 5: Booty is complaining about play calls against Manda Man and
• 34:35
  Speaker 5: that's the best you can do.
• 34:37
  Speaker 7: Booty gave up on the route, of course he did.
• 34:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, like that, like that's just poor to me,
• 34:42
  Speaker 5: as Fred would like to say.
• 34:43
  Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean that type of stuff is I mean,
• 34:45
  Speaker 7: that's like the big picture to me is just like you,
• 34:48
  Speaker 7: we were talking about the run defense, earlier. There's no
• 34:50
  Speaker 7: rallying to the football, like they don't people don't fly
• 34:53
  Speaker 7: to it to the football in this defense, like.
• 34:55
  Speaker 9: What happened to Week one won.
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: Chicago, Like you know, the hats do not go to
• 35:01
  Speaker 7: the ball. Like it's like one guy in space trying
• 35:03
  Speaker 7: to tackle James Connor is a really good running back
• 35:06
  Speaker 7: and he misses It's it's fifty yards right, Like there's
• 35:09
  Speaker 7: no there's no rally to the ball on the defensive
• 35:12
  Speaker 7: side of the football and offensively, like they just don't
• 35:15
  Speaker 7: do anything. They're easy to defend. Fred, Like they're easy
• 35:19
  Speaker 7: to defend.
• 35:20
  Speaker 5: Mike, Mike, here's the Fred line during the game.
• 35:22
  Speaker 8: I did, I mean, I just I think Booty's kind
• 35:24
  Speaker 8: of symbol mantic of like what has been going on
• 35:26
  Speaker 8: because this summer, like I always thought his hands were
• 35:28
  Speaker 8: so solid and like as we progress in the season,
• 35:30
  Speaker 8: like that has gotten worse. Like you know, it's like
• 35:32
  Speaker 8: the things that you could have like come into the season, like,
• 35:35
  Speaker 8: oh well, at least Kean Boody, Like I think his
• 35:36
  Speaker 8: hands are pretty good, Like now even those he's having drops,
• 35:39
  Speaker 8: like he seems off the page, like it's not getting better.
• 35:42
  Speaker 8: It's like even the things that you thought you could
• 35:44
  Speaker 8: believe in.
• 35:44
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what. What bugs me even more about
• 35:47
  Speaker 5: the receivers and Booty in particular, like I don't know,
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: and we'll get Evan's point on it, his view on
• 35:53
  Speaker 5: it in a second.
• 35:54
  Speaker 9: They're better than they are.
• 35:55
  Speaker 5: But Drake May says, I got to put that on him.
• 36:02
  Speaker 5: I was trying to, you know, keep him out of
• 36:04
  Speaker 5: harm's way, but I got to put that on him.
• 36:05
  Speaker 5: I got to make a better throw to Booty is
• 36:08
  Speaker 5: like balls behind me.
• 36:09
  Speaker 9: You know that's not all he said, but.
• 36:13
  Speaker 5: Go back and listen to it. That that was the
• 36:15
  Speaker 5: premise of what wow. And Douglas is the same way,
• 36:19
  Speaker 5: like Polk, I have the best hands in football, Like
• 36:21
  Speaker 5: this receiving corps talks about itself like it's not part
• 36:25
  Speaker 5: of the problem.
• 36:26
  Speaker 8: Yeah, and then I just lost my mind before we
• 36:28
  Speaker 8: walked over here with Kendrick Bourne posting one of Taylor's
• 36:31
  Speaker 8: tweets of one of the plays, criticizing him doing my
• 36:34
  Speaker 8: bad retweet like I just I can't do this rant
• 36:37
  Speaker 8: every week about every week they're up.
• 36:38
  Speaker 5: Like now my best celebration after the Bomby catches down
• 36:41
  Speaker 5: twenty three to three with eight minutes left.
• 36:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I got right.
• 36:46
  Speaker 7: I mean at least they threw one and a half.
• 36:49
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but I'm just saying, well, they took him three
• 36:51
  Speaker 5: and a half to complete one, but they the other
• 36:54
  Speaker 5: the other time they threw one, they had a guy
• 36:57
  Speaker 5: as you what did you say you that that that
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: Gonzales did to Marvin Harrison's in jail. He was in jail.
• 37:02
  Speaker 5: Booty was in jail. And when they were lucky that
• 37:05
  Speaker 5: Buddha Baker was so so so glued to Booty that
• 37:08
  Speaker 5: he couldn't pick the pass off.
• 37:10
  Speaker 9: He was in a phase. Yeah, good fa.
• 37:14
  Speaker 8: I just I think this this receiver room is you know, like, look,
• 37:17
  Speaker 8: we we cammered them for a lack of talent for
• 37:19
  Speaker 8: years now, and that's certainly the case this year. But
• 37:22
  Speaker 8: just everything you've been talking about, like they all are
• 37:25
  Speaker 8: mistake repeaters, finger pointers, you know, talking to the media afterwards,
• 37:29
  Speaker 8: it's just talking about coming off any of those guys
• 37:35
  Speaker 8: and like poor you know, even Pop Douglas, he's kind
• 37:37
  Speaker 8: of just deer in the headlights now too. He's fumbling
• 37:39
  Speaker 8: like you're getting nothing out of that.
• 37:41
  Speaker 9: There's no doubt that the pages need a w R one.
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: But I feel like in the mirror.
• 37:46
  Speaker 9: Right, but they also need somebody in that room who's
• 37:49
  Speaker 9: the leader.
• 37:50
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, you know, Booty's points were all valid.
• 37:53
  Speaker 7: I don't necessarily think you need to say him publicly,
• 37:56
  Speaker 7: but but he was right. I mean, the Cardinals came
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: out in this game, they and they just played Manton
• 38:01
  Speaker 7: man coverage and the Patriots are throwing screens against Manton
• 38:04
  Speaker 7: Man coverage. And Booty's thinking to himself, like, why don't
• 38:07
  Speaker 7: we try to push the ball down the field? Guys,
• 38:09
  Speaker 7: like they're coming out and they're pressing us at the
• 38:11
  Speaker 7: line of scrimmage, like instead of just throwing the ball
• 38:14
  Speaker 7: at the line of scrimmage, Like, maybe if we try
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: to take a show.
• 38:16
  Speaker 9: So if he's saying that after the game, he's saying
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: it during the game. Yeah, And who's sure is anyone listening?
• 38:23
  Speaker 9: And if they hear it? Is it again? Does it
• 38:25
  Speaker 9: go back to the lack of confidence in the old line?
• 38:29
  Speaker 9: You know?
• 38:29
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's obviously you know, probably makes sense that that's
• 38:34
  Speaker 7: why they came out with that game plan.
• 38:36
  Speaker 5: It's just they don't trust the offense.
• 38:39
  Speaker 7: They don't trust the offensive line. But like the Cardinals
• 38:41
  Speaker 7: are not like we're not talking about some ferocious paths,
• 38:44
  Speaker 7: not a defense. It's not a very good pass rush.
• 38:46
  Speaker 5: And by the way, it's a non existent pass.
• 38:48
  Speaker 9: I had to laugh because before the game we're like, well,
• 38:51
  Speaker 9: you know, Cole Strange is going to be available, but
• 38:53
  Speaker 9: where's he going to play? You know, Ben Brown's been
• 38:55
  Speaker 9: doing okay and on cue he has two.
• 39:00
  Speaker 8: I have a question, a general question for the group,
• 39:02
  Speaker 8: and it might be different for the offense and the
• 39:03
  Speaker 8: defensive side of the ball, But do you think that
• 39:05
  Speaker 8: they're overthinking or underthinking.
• 39:08
  Speaker 9: Underthinking the Patriots?
• 39:10
  Speaker 8: Yes, the coaching ste when they're coming up with offensive
• 39:12
  Speaker 8: plans or.
• 39:13
  Speaker 9: Great I think I think I think they're overthinking it
• 39:17
  Speaker 9: and that's stifling them. They're overthinking it.
• 39:21
  Speaker 8: Just loose, go get loose, you know, I kind of
• 39:26
  Speaker 8: go around. I'm going around.
• 39:28
  Speaker 9: How you look at you know, like either either answer
• 39:31
  Speaker 9: is probably need right, they need to do I mean,
• 39:33
  Speaker 9: I will say in defense of that, you know, I
• 39:35
  Speaker 9: had someone say like they need to do different things
• 39:37
  Speaker 9: and these.
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: Like it's really hard to be creative for sixty minutes,
• 39:42
  Speaker 5: Like they have to trick the opponent for sixty minutes
• 39:46
  Speaker 5: to have success because they don't win a lot of
• 39:48
  Speaker 5: Like we're just gonna line up on third and town.
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: My guy's better than you a guy, so we're going
• 39:52
  Speaker 5: to get this th Like Trey McBride lined up on
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: third down and said, I'm better than the guy covering me.
• 39:57
  Speaker 5: Just throw it to me. I'm going to get the
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: first down. They don't have a lot of those options,
• 40:01
  Speaker 5: so I will say that, but I think I sighed
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: bull with Evan. I think that there's some other things
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: that they can be doing, and I don't think they're
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: thinking enough about different things that they can do.
• 40:10
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and defensively, like they third down, it was just
• 40:14
  Speaker 7: for going to motion the guy across the formation. If
• 40:17
  Speaker 7: nobody goes with him, it's zone. If somebody does go
• 40:19
  Speaker 7: with him, it's man. And then here's our man beater,
• 40:22
  Speaker 7: here's our zone beater. And it was like taking candy
• 40:24
  Speaker 7: from a kid, right Like it was just it was
• 40:27
  Speaker 7: just easy, you know, trade McBride. They had like a
• 40:30
  Speaker 7: sim pressure up from where they put all the guys
• 40:32
  Speaker 7: up on the line of scrimmage. They motioned a guy across.
• 40:35
  Speaker 7: Nobody moves, so now you know everybody's dropping out. It's
• 40:38
  Speaker 7: his own coverage, right, everybody's gonna drop out, So trade
• 40:40
  Speaker 7: McBride just runs across the middle of the field against
• 40:43
  Speaker 7: a soft zone coverage and it's a third and six
• 40:46
  Speaker 7: and Kyle Duggar and Jelanny Tavai a eight nine yards
• 40:49
  Speaker 7: off the ball and he's just wide open underneath the
• 40:52
  Speaker 7: coverage for the conversion the next player. They motioned the
• 40:54
  Speaker 7: guy across. It's man to man del Pettis versus Trade McBride.
• 40:58
  Speaker 7: Who's gonna win that matchup?
• 41:00
  Speaker 9: Right?
• 41:00
  Speaker 7: And this was just it was it was all that, Like,
• 41:02
  Speaker 7: it wasn't anything that Arizona was doing.
• 41:05
  Speaker 5: That was That's what I'm saying. Like they could just
• 41:07
  Speaker 5: line up and say, my guy's better than the guy
• 41:09
  Speaker 5: that's covering me. I'm just gonna do that. The Patriots
• 41:12
  Speaker 5: can't do that a lot. I'm not telling you they
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: can never do it. I mean, certainly to Mario Douglas
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: is capable of winning a one on one against you
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: know guys, and you know Born won the one on
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: one down the sideline on the bottom, not telling you
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: it never happened. But I don't think that's how they're
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: going to make it a living. Very often. They have
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: to trick people, right all right.
• 41:32
  Speaker 9: Emails are flowing in, calls are coming in, So we're
• 41:36
  Speaker 9: gonna ta here, We're gonna take a break. Yeah, So
• 41:39
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  Speaker 16: You know, just like I said yesterday, and then having
• 43:32
  Speaker 16: the opportunity to watch the film, there were definitely a
• 43:34
  Speaker 16: lot of plays out there that need that need to
• 43:37
  Speaker 16: be made. I talked about, you know, the third down.
• 43:40
  Speaker 16: You know, the unique thing about only having six something.
• 43:42
  Speaker 16: We have six or seven third downs, and a couple
• 43:44
  Speaker 16: of those were situational third downs. It was a very
• 43:47
  Speaker 16: unique situation. But we didn't play well on third down
• 43:50
  Speaker 16: on either side of the ball. Offensively in the rad area.
• 43:53
  Speaker 16: You know, we did an okay job. Obviously, you want
• 43:55
  Speaker 16: to pick up the short yardage situations and then defensively,
• 44:01
  Speaker 16: you know, it comes back to fundamentals, which I always
• 44:04
  Speaker 16: talk about.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: You know, you even look at the big run play.
• 44:07
  Speaker 16: We had two players that were pretty much un blocked
• 44:09
  Speaker 16: that probably should have made that play. And they expect
• 44:11
  Speaker 16: to make those plays, and we as a coaching staff
• 44:13
  Speaker 16: expect them to make those plays. But overall, you know,
• 44:16
  Speaker 16: I would say that, you know, they came out, Cardinals
• 44:19
  Speaker 16: came out, and they played better than us. They executed
• 44:21
  Speaker 16: better than us, and we have to we have to
• 44:24
  Speaker 16: go to the drum board and get better. And I
• 44:27
  Speaker 16: know there's a lot of chatter about you know, the
• 44:29
  Speaker 16: question last night. You know, you said that I didn't
• 44:31
  Speaker 16: mean anything by that. It was more of a defensive
• 44:34
  Speaker 16: response and ultimately, and I tried to clarify that with
• 44:37
  Speaker 16: the follow up question because ultimately all of those decisions
• 44:40
  Speaker 16: are mine.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: So I just wanted to get that out there. Fire away.
• 44:46
  Speaker 17: We'll start with Mike Grease and I anticipate a handswer
• 44:49
  Speaker 17: you know, a lot of questions today, so we'll start
• 44:50
  Speaker 17: with a single question, get back, raise your hand again
• 44:53
  Speaker 17: if you have a follow up question, and we'll come
• 44:55
  Speaker 17: back to you ahead.
• 44:56
  Speaker 18: Mike True, what do you mean by defensive response to
• 45:00
  Speaker 18: that question?
• 45:01
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was just more. I didn't mean anything by it.
• 45:03
  Speaker 16: I just was like, you know, you said it because
• 45:05
  Speaker 16: I didn't want to go down that whole rabbit hole
• 45:07
  Speaker 16: and trying to explain all those things, and like I
• 45:09
  Speaker 16: just said, I tried to clarify that with the follow
• 45:11
  Speaker 16: up question, saying that all of those critical situations follow me.
• 45:17
  Speaker 17: Next question, Mike Giardi follot but deg Kai.
• 45:21
  Speaker 19: Continuing on that theme, Gerardie, you're you're on the headset,
• 45:24
  Speaker 19: you're on the channel. If you want Drake to run
• 45:28
  Speaker 19: the ball, you have the right and the power to say, Hey, Alex,
• 45:34
  Speaker 19: tell him to run the ball.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: On me.
• 45:40
  Speaker 17: A kind fall by still Perry.
• 45:43
  Speaker 20: More and droddu has there has there been any organizational
• 45:47
  Speaker 20: disagreement about whether to use Drake my own designed runs.
• 45:51
  Speaker 16: Now that we have we have uh you know, quarterback
• 45:54
  Speaker 16: design runs. Just haven't put him out yet, so there's
• 45:57
  Speaker 16: no disagreement. We're all in the same page. I think
• 45:59
  Speaker 16: Alex and the offensive staff do a good job putting
• 46:01
  Speaker 16: together the game plan. I go in there, offered my
• 46:04
  Speaker 16: two cents, and we come out of the out of
• 46:06
  Speaker 16: the room as a as a unit. All in the
• 46:08
  Speaker 16: same page, still Perry felt by Chris Ryan.
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: Hey drod Has Drake lobbied for those kinds of carries?
• 46:19
  Speaker 21: He mentioned something last night about how you know he
• 46:21
  Speaker 21: was a good quarterback sneaker in college and he was
• 46:24
  Speaker 21: open to it. Has he did he talk to you
• 46:26
  Speaker 21: guys or suggested in moments that he would like to
• 46:28
  Speaker 21: do that kind of thing.
• 46:29
  Speaker 16: Yeah, I'm not going to get really into those types
• 46:31
  Speaker 16: of conversations. And again, look, Drake's the ultimate team player.
• 46:34
  Speaker 16: He has been an ultimate team player, and whatever's called,
• 46:36
  Speaker 16: He's going to try to go out there and execute
• 46:38
  Speaker 16: it the best that he possibly can. What I will
• 46:40
  Speaker 16: say is, look, remindre is one of our best players
• 46:43
  Speaker 16: on the team, one of our best weapons on offense,
• 46:45
  Speaker 16: and what we did there was ultimately my decision, and
• 46:49
  Speaker 16: I hope we could pick it up.
• 46:53
  Speaker 17: Chris Ryan follow by Yoki Chin.
• 46:56
  Speaker 1: Hey drot ootball as well.
• 46:57
  Speaker 22: With you money, what is the disconnecting your view between
• 47:02
  Speaker 22: the offensive stats and point production where it feels like,
• 47:07
  Speaker 22: you know, a week after week, there's evidence that the
• 47:10
  Speaker 22: team should be scoring more, you know, than it is.
• 47:13
  Speaker 22: Why in your view is that not happening? Is that
• 47:15
  Speaker 22: play calling? Is it execution and how do you fix it?
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: I think overall's execution.
• 47:21
  Speaker 16: I would say there have been times where we're going
• 47:23
  Speaker 16: backwards in the red area where we're in a place
• 47:24
  Speaker 16: to score, and you know that's tough to do as
• 47:27
  Speaker 16: soon as you get in the red zone, to go
• 47:28
  Speaker 16: backwards kind of put you behind the eight ball. And
• 47:30
  Speaker 16: you know, we just you know, we've been up and
• 47:32
  Speaker 16: down as a whole, you know, offensively, defensively in the
• 47:35
  Speaker 16: red area and we just got to continue to understand
• 47:37
  Speaker 16: that the field is shrinking, there's another player there as
• 47:40
  Speaker 16: far as the middle of the field, safety and everything
• 47:41
  Speaker 16: is about the details and going out there next year.
• 47:46
  Speaker 17: Sophie Cham followed by Sophie Rolling.
• 47:49
  Speaker 23: Warning coaches yesterday, you mentioned after the game that if
• 47:52
  Speaker 23: it sounded like a broken record in terms of your
• 47:55
  Speaker 23: coming in your teams of problems on the field, do
• 47:58
  Speaker 23: you think it's you know, it's because your message was
• 48:01
  Speaker 23: not probably delivered and received by your your players, or
• 48:05
  Speaker 23: you were just simping of your team.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: Is lack of talents. What might be the reason.
• 48:09
  Speaker 16: As far as the message and being received, that's more
• 48:11
  Speaker 16: of a question for the players, you know. I think
• 48:14
  Speaker 16: you know when we're go into a week, we're all
• 48:15
  Speaker 16: on the same page as far as the targets that
• 48:17
  Speaker 16: we have to hit to go out there and win
• 48:19
  Speaker 16: the game, and unfortunately we just haven't been able to
• 48:21
  Speaker 16: do that.
• 48:24
  Speaker 17: Sophie Roller by Mike Greees.
• 48:27
  Speaker 6: Morning girod, I was just curious about Christian Gonzales that
• 48:31
  Speaker 6: you've had a matchup against some of the top receivers
• 48:34
  Speaker 6: and yesterday was Marvin Harrison Junior. What did you see
• 48:38
  Speaker 6: from him in that game and just what is it
• 48:41
  Speaker 6: about his play that allows him to be such like
• 48:43
  Speaker 6: a lockdown defender.
• 48:45
  Speaker 16: Well, he's our best player on defense and he proved
• 48:47
  Speaker 16: that yesterday. Just a guy that goes out there and
• 48:49
  Speaker 16: competes on a down and a down basis and did
• 48:52
  Speaker 16: a good job for yesterday.
• 48:57
  Speaker 17: Back to the top of the batting Oriel Stir with
• 48:59
  Speaker 17: Mike Grease called a Doug.
• 49:00
  Speaker 18: Kid, you're at a prior to the fourth and one run,
• 49:05
  Speaker 18: CBS had a sideline shot of Alex van Pelt maybe
• 49:09
  Speaker 18: pointing to something and you're reacting to that. I'm wondering,
• 49:14
  Speaker 18: was that the play clock and if you could describe
• 49:17
  Speaker 18: maybe what that interaction was, what was going on in
• 49:19
  Speaker 18: that moment, because it looked like they might have reset it,
• 49:22
  Speaker 18: but it came after fifteen seis possibly?
• 49:26
  Speaker 16: Yeah, that was that was we weren't going to get
• 49:28
  Speaker 16: the playoffs, so i'll call the time out.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: Is that the player refers?
• 49:33
  Speaker 17: I think it was.
• 49:34
  Speaker 18: I think it was actually, like I want to say,
• 49:38
  Speaker 18: it was the right before the remander runs, so there
• 49:41
  Speaker 18: was no time out, So it's the fourth down play.
• 49:46
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: I'll circle back. That's I'll double check that I have
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: it right.
• 49:52
  Speaker 17: Right, We're going to the kind forward to Connels.
• 49:57
  Speaker 20: There was another moment on the broadcast where they showed
• 49:59
  Speaker 20: Robert and Jonathan Craft and some of the lip readers
• 50:03
  Speaker 20: out there that they were talking about the offensive play calling.
• 50:07
  Speaker 20: I'm curious what your thoughts were on that moment and
• 50:09
  Speaker 20: if they've ever come to you with issues about offensive
• 50:12
  Speaker 20: play calling.
• 50:14
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 50:14
  Speaker 16: I haven't said anything like that, so I'm not sure
• 50:17
  Speaker 16: what you're talking about. What I will say is, you know,
• 50:19
  Speaker 16: they've been fully supportive of us as a team and
• 50:22
  Speaker 16: they're huge fans of the team that they own, so
• 50:24
  Speaker 16: whatever they they said, that's what they said.
• 50:28
  Speaker 17: Thanks Derek Kyle's follow by Chris Ryan.
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: Morny coach, thank you for your time.
• 50:35
  Speaker 12: I know last night you mentioned with the run defense
• 50:38
  Speaker 12: that if you take away the one big run from
• 50:40
  Speaker 12: James Connor and things didn't look so bad. I mean,
• 50:42
  Speaker 12: you said something similar after the Jaguars game. But it
• 50:44
  Speaker 12: seems like lately teams has still been able to make
• 50:46
  Speaker 12: those body blows like get enough, yarady, just stay on schedule.
• 50:49
  Speaker 12: So are you willing to kind of con see that
• 50:51
  Speaker 12: as long as you're maybe taking away some things in
• 50:53
  Speaker 12: the past game or do those body blows also still
• 50:55
  Speaker 12: add up because it seems like you face a lot
• 50:57
  Speaker 12: of third and short situations the past few weeks.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: Yeah, the body blows have definitely hurt us.
• 51:03
  Speaker 16: You know, I thought Connor, you know, ran the ball
• 51:05
  Speaker 16: very hard yesterday and obviously you know that front. They
• 51:07
  Speaker 16: do a good job on their doubles and things like that.
• 51:10
  Speaker 16: But you're exactly right, the body blows they hurt. But
• 51:12
  Speaker 16: in saying that, like the long run by Connor, we
• 51:16
  Speaker 16: were there to make the play. We just didn't finished
• 51:19
  Speaker 16: to play, which is a frustrating thing and it turns
• 51:22
  Speaker 16: into a fifty yard game. So and again that's what
• 51:24
  Speaker 16: the NFL is, you know, it's you know, every player
• 51:26
  Speaker 16: is six seconds and you've got to have ultimate focus
• 51:29
  Speaker 16: and ultimate execution and six second increments and we.
• 51:32
  Speaker 4: Just we just weren't able to do that.
• 51:34
  Speaker 17: Thank you. Thanks, try and follow your featum.
• 51:41
  Speaker 22: Heydra with three games left here, can you speak to
• 51:44
  Speaker 22: your evaluating process at this point and you know, whether
• 51:47
  Speaker 22: it comes to coaches or players, like what you're looking
• 51:50
  Speaker 22: for to see that there is progress going into next
• 51:56
  Speaker 22: season and whether there's certain players or coaches are a
• 51:59
  Speaker 22: part of winning moving forward.
• 52:02
  Speaker 16: There are definitely different measurements or metrics that you know
• 52:05
  Speaker 16: we'll look at at the end of the season, uh,
• 52:07
  Speaker 16: and that we look at right now that we want
• 52:09
  Speaker 16: to see next week, because every week is about getting
• 52:12
  Speaker 16: to want to know and you know, everything's being evaluated.
• 52:15
  Speaker 16: I'm being evaluated, the coaches, the players were all being evaluated,
• 52:18
  Speaker 16: and no one's happy about where we are right now
• 52:20
  Speaker 16: and some things have to have to get better.
• 52:23
  Speaker 17: Thanks are you? Channel followed by Phil Perry.
• 52:29
  Speaker 23: Hey, coach, I want to ask you about code strange situation.
• 52:32
  Speaker 23: You guys add him to the I could roster last
• 52:35
  Speaker 23: last week. Understand you have a certain window to do so,
• 52:39
  Speaker 23: but he was inactive yesterday. Does it mean that he's
• 52:41
  Speaker 23: not still not completely ready for the game? Actions was
• 52:45
  Speaker 23: the situation there, if you can explain a little bit, Yeah,
• 52:47
  Speaker 23: it just was. He just wasn't ready to go.
• 52:52
  Speaker 17: Two final questions, Phil Perry and my Grease.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: Just getting back to your comments from last night.
• 53:03
  Speaker 21: Are you worried at all that those comments you said
• 53:07
  Speaker 21: you didn't mean anything by him? Are you worried at
• 53:08
  Speaker 21: all that they get taken or your players hear them
• 53:13
  Speaker 21: and take them the wrong way.
• 53:15
  Speaker 4: I'm not worried about it.
• 53:16
  Speaker 16: I mean, I feel like, you know, they're gonna they're
• 53:19
  Speaker 16: gonna see all those things, and they know my heart,
• 53:21
  Speaker 16: they know what I'm trying to, you know the point
• 53:23
  Speaker 16: that I'm trying to get across across and look, I
• 53:25
  Speaker 16: don't mean anything by it. I didn't mean anything by it,
• 53:27
  Speaker 16: And like I said earlier, I tried to clarify that
• 53:30
  Speaker 16: with the second comment. I have ultimate respect and also
• 53:35
  Speaker 16: you know for the way that those guys go out
• 53:36
  Speaker 16: there and work every single day, and we just got
• 53:38
  Speaker 16: to start winning some games.
• 53:41
  Speaker 17: The last question Mike Riez.
• 53:43
  Speaker 18: So Jared, I'm going to clean up my other question
• 53:46
  Speaker 18: on the fourth and one run that Rimandre was stopped
• 53:49
  Speaker 18: short on, did you feel like operationally, like the time
• 53:53
  Speaker 18: was good, like you before you know, the ball was snapped.
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: Or were you worried at all in that moment that.
• 54:00
  Speaker 18: The play clock might be coming down on you to
• 54:02
  Speaker 18: get that playoff and that ultimately got off before the
• 54:06
  Speaker 18: play clock went down.
• 54:08
  Speaker 16: I wasn't worried about it, and look, ultimately we missed
• 54:11
  Speaker 16: the block and weren't able to get the first time.
• 54:15
  Speaker 17: Thanks as thank you Jodd, Thanks everyone.
• 54:19
  Speaker 24: And now great moments in history, you know, calling out
• 54:25
  Speaker 24: numbers and I was like, yeah, I just I just
• 54:27
  Speaker 24: don't see twelve out there yet, like making the joke.
• 54:30
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I go, we have I go, they gave twelve?
• 54:32
  Speaker 8: Weeve, who's twelve?
• 54:33
  Speaker 7: That's how little did you see twelve of them?
• 54:35
  Speaker 8: I'm like, I.
• 54:36
  Speaker 5: Said it like four times. I literally said it four times,
• 54:40
  Speaker 5: and I was like, they didn't go out twelve.
• 54:42
  Speaker 8: And then he like the look on your faces, like,
• 54:43
  Speaker 8: oh you playing me like that guy, Like Fred, I
• 54:47
  Speaker 8: don't like you you got eighty seven either, just for
• 54:49
  Speaker 8: the record, Yeah, I don't know that one.
• 54:51
  Speaker 5: But is there ever going to be a time where
• 54:52
  Speaker 5: you were allowed to do that? Like twelve? I get yeah,
• 54:56
  Speaker 5: I'm sorry, I'm over it. I mean I love Devin. Yeah,
• 55:01
  Speaker 5: at least I didn't even play last year.
• 55:03
  Speaker 7: It's to me, Devin McCarty is bigger than football. Like,
• 55:07
  Speaker 7: I think Devin McCarty is like one of the best
• 55:08
  Speaker 7: people that's ever walked through this building. Yeah yeah, And
• 55:11
  Speaker 7: I think that.
• 55:12
  Speaker 5: There's and he's recognized as such.
• 55:14
  Speaker 7: I think that in other sports that would be recognized
• 55:17
  Speaker 7: even bigger.
• 55:18
  Speaker 9: This is not one of things your argument, no one
• 55:19
  Speaker 9: ever should be Devin mccorty. I get that, but his
• 55:22
  Speaker 9: number is different.
• 55:24
  Speaker 7: That's just the way I feel.
• 55:25
  Speaker 24: That's another great moment.
• 55:29
  Speaker 9: All right back here and Patriots on filtered a five
• 55:31
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• 56:10
  Speaker 9: everyone emails and calls are coming in, but they may
• 56:14
  Speaker 9: not be for the faint of heart. If you're you.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: Know, so I take it that you do your in
• 56:20
  Speaker 5: you know, your in game chat, your online chat. During
• 56:23
  Speaker 5: the game. It was not pretty.
• 56:24
  Speaker 9: Oh it wasn't it get to the point where you know,
• 56:27
  Speaker 9: every other one was fire may or fire a VP.
• 56:29
  Speaker 9: And I'm not going to post those because like, what's
• 56:32
  Speaker 9: the point, you know, but there were millions of.
• 56:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, the mail bag is getting a little bit tougher
• 56:36
  Speaker 5: to navigate.
• 56:37
  Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, people get so worked up about.
• 56:40
  Speaker 5: It, and yeah, not like Deuce.
• 56:43
  Speaker 9: Well, the day they don't get worked up about it
• 56:48
  Speaker 9: is when we're in trouble.
• 56:49
  Speaker 8: That's true.
• 56:50
  Speaker 9: That's true. So let's go to the TPX outline. We've
• 56:52
  Speaker 9: had people holding patiently by. We'll start with Riley, who
• 56:58
  Speaker 9: was in Phoenix. What's up, Riley?
• 57:01
  Speaker 11: Hey, guys, how's it going?
• 57:02
  Speaker 9: Hey?
• 57:05
  Speaker 25: Hey?
• 57:05
  Speaker 11: Uh, it was a tough tough watch on Sunday, was
• 57:09
  Speaker 11: at the game, went with the buddy in line and
• 57:11
  Speaker 11: the little early Christmas gift to myself and uh unfortunately
• 57:16
  Speaker 11: left very disappointed. I thought going into the game, this
• 57:20
  Speaker 11: was honestly a game that they could have come out
• 57:23
  Speaker 11: and won. I didn't think they had better odds than
• 57:27
  Speaker 11: the Cold. I think that was probably the best chance
• 57:30
  Speaker 11: and the remaining few games to pull out a win.
• 57:33
  Speaker 11: But by the way, just a couple of things. First
• 57:39
  Speaker 11: of all, I was pretty upset the first few drives
• 57:44
  Speaker 11: of the game, and it gave me flashbacks of the
• 57:47
  Speaker 11: Matt Patricia days, just screen after screen, and it just
• 57:52
  Speaker 11: kept calling them even though they were just getting blown up,
• 57:55
  Speaker 11: and me and a lot of the other fans are
• 57:58
  Speaker 11: just scratching our heads sinking, what the hell are we doing?
• 58:04
  Speaker 11: So anyways, on that note, I'm not in the camp
• 58:09
  Speaker 11: of firing a VP. I think giving him some time
• 58:13
  Speaker 11: because I think at times start the season he had
• 58:16
  Speaker 11: some really good playfalls. But in other instances you have
• 58:21
  Speaker 11: those times where you are just scratching your head wondering
• 58:25
  Speaker 11: what the hell are we thinking? What are we doing?
• 58:28
  Speaker 11: And a perfect example of that, in my opinion, was
• 58:32
  Speaker 11: on that third and one when they decided to run
• 58:35
  Speaker 11: a dive with Antonio Gibson and not our power back
• 58:41
  Speaker 11: Ramandre Stevenson, and then they decide to put him in
• 58:44
  Speaker 11: when we go put it on the fourth and one, Like,
• 58:48
  Speaker 11: why is our power back not in the game in
• 58:53
  Speaker 11: a third and short situation? Or to your guys's point,
• 58:57
  Speaker 11: why are we not just running a quarterback sneak with three?
• 59:02
  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 59:02
  Speaker 11: I think, oh, sorry, go ahead.
• 59:06
  Speaker 9: No, I think a lot of people are thinking the
• 59:08
  Speaker 9: same thing.
• 59:08
  Speaker 26: Riley agreed, and.
• 59:13
  Speaker 11: On that, I just I really don't understand what's what
• 59:17
  Speaker 11: we're doing when it comes to things like that. But
• 59:22
  Speaker 11: that's pretty much it as far as that goes.
• 59:25
  Speaker 9: Ok, thanks for the Carl, Riley, appreciate you calling in.
• 59:27
  Speaker 5: I would just say on the short yardage stuff, and
• 59:30
  Speaker 5: you know, you can call a quarterback sneek, you could
• 59:32
  Speaker 5: do whatever. But whatever you do, if you don't block
• 59:35
  Speaker 5: the defensive tack, it's probably not gonna.
• 59:37
  Speaker 9: Work, right. You know. By the way, if the Patriots
• 59:40
  Speaker 9: had had a good game, you would have heard it.
• 59:42
  Speaker 9: There were a lot of Patriots fans at that game,
• 59:45
  Speaker 9: and I feel bad for him, you know. Yeah, so
• 59:48
  Speaker 9: a lot of people made the trip out there, A
• 59:50
  Speaker 9: lot of people obviously are Patriots fans, that live out there,
• 59:52
  Speaker 9: and they were there a lot of blue jerseys in
• 59:56
  Speaker 9: the stands, but they didn't have much to cheer for,
• 59:59
  Speaker 9: so feel bad about that for them. Let's go to
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 9: Chris with a T, I, A N. What's up, Christian?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 11: Hey, guys, I'll be quick, and I got a lot
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 11: of calls.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 27: I think the biggest thing for me to share, the
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 27: biggest disappointment is that you found me and that's it,
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 27: And it jeopardizes so much of the immediate future, like
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 27: having a young quarterback on a rookie salary, being able
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 27: to build around them cheaply with good young guys. Now
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 27: you've got to go back into the draft and free
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 27: agency and all the positions that you addressed last year
• 1:00:42
  Speaker 27: you still have to address. And it's just and the
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 27: guys that you signed all regressed. If I'm not mistaken
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 27: unless somebody else has told me different.
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 5: But I mean, you know, there's a couple here and there.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 9: People are asking me a lot that yesterday. Who are
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 9: the guys that you you know? Who are the guys
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 9: that should return it? Are you done, Christian? Or do
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 9: you want to stay?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 25: All? Right?
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 11: A right?
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 9: You know, people ask who would you who would you
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 9: keep and you had the question off their if the
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 9: team were to expand and you can only protect five guys,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 9: who would be I think I could come up with
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 9: five guys pretty easy.
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 5: No, But like, so that's what I'm asking, what are
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 5: your what are your five guys who? Like, if you
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 5: had the questions, like, there's an expansion team coming into
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 5: the NFL, so you can only protect five, So you
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 5: have five guys that you identify as part of your future. Obviously,
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 5: everybody says May and Gonzalez, So who are you other three?
• 1:01:35
  Speaker 9: I think bar More I would protect. I would protect
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 9: Henry At this point, I wouldn't go ahead, Okay, I
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 9: would protect Keon White. You know, so I had.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 5: Keon White and Marcus Jones with my other two out
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 5: of the five because you had to consider age and
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 5: if I'm going to protect somebody, I'm going to protect
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 5: someone that's going to be part of my team for
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: a minimum of five years. And they just don't. They
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 5: don't have a lot of guys that are four. You know, Huh,
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 5: you have four? I had five?
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 8: Who was the fifth I had?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 5: But those are my three locks were or you know,
• 1:02:12
  Speaker 5: the obvious locks. May Gonzalez Barmore, but I would say
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 5: Marcus Jones yep, and probably Keon White. I mean, am
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 5: I missing someone? You guys? I asked better with the roster,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 5: and like.
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 9: The age, the question I was asked is who would
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 9: you bring back? I'd bring back all those guys. I'd
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 9: bring back Hooper, you know, I you know I would.
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  Speaker 5: I would try to. I would try to bring back
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 5: Hooper because it certainly doesn't seem like Jahem Bell has
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 5: done enough to sort of say like, oh, he could
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 5: be the number two tight end next year expiring. No,
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 5: I know, that's why you have to bring them back.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 5: Hunter is back.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 8: I might connect under contract to a VP, and I
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 8: think that's a connection, And if a VP were to
• 1:02:54
  Speaker 8: not return, then I wonder if that could be preclusive.
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 5: But I think he's one of the guys. He's one
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 5: of the I would say him and Gibson.
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  Speaker 7: Have their two best signings.
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  Speaker 5: Those are two guys that probably gave you what you
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 5: were hoping for. If you were if you had other
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 5: if you had.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 9: You know, a great uh uh players at those positions,
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 9: all those guys would be fine on your team, Like
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 9: Hooper's fine on my roster, Gibson's fine on my roster.
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 9: Marcus Jones, he's fine on my roster. It's not like
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 9: they can't they're not good. We just need playmakers like
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 9: the higher you know too much, fine, you need to
• 1:03:34
  Speaker 9: have fifty three guys, and those guys are fine on
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 9: my fifty three guy roster.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I agree. I think that you know, to the
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 7: Christians point about you still have all the same needs. Well,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 7: this is what happens when you're constantly drafting based off
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 7: of need. Like the players that are labeled wide receivers
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 7: might not be worth the pick that you're picking that
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 7: player with. And you know, I think the smart teams
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 7: that have built it right are just drafting the best
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 7: football players that they can find. I'm not talking about
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 7: drafting guards and punters and stuff like that, but at
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 7: premium positions, the best players that you can find. The
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 7: problems that you get into is when you look at
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 7: your board and you say, well, we need a guard,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 7: so you draft cold strange in the first round when
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 7: there's better football players available with that draft pick. You know,
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 7: and now we're getting into this year with the draft,
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 7: and people are gonna want Ted McMillan and people are
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 7: gonna want tackles, and it's like, okay, but if they're
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 7: picking third or first or second overall and Teed McMillan
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 7: is not the best player in the draft on the board,
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 7: then you shouldn't be taking that player because now you're
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 7: still going to need a wide receiver in a year, right,
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 7: So like that that's all that it is about it.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 7: You can't draft on.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 9: These and the ironic thing is you need everything this year,
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 9: so just take the best play.
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 5: I think that's the silver lining, right, Like you can
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 5: truly identify the best player available, right with.
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 8: Me, And even did the little preview for YouTube, And
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 8: when you look at the Bills roster, I mean, all
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 8: their key guys were drafted and developed for the most part.
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 8: I mean, and you know, there's certainly some poles that
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 8: they had to fill interior line they went and uh,
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 8: you know, got Amari Cooper. I mean, that's a good
• 1:05:12
  Speaker 8: like supplemental piece. But really the guys who were making
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 8: this team right now are guys that they drafted, and
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 8: even guys that I mean. I made the point, which
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 8: you know, Kali Security didn't set the world on fire
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 8: out of the gate. James Cook didn't really set the
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 8: world up but now they are as they've developed because
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 8: they're getting good coaching. And I mean, I think you
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 8: see how the machine starts to work, where all right,
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 8: we're gonna supplement to our needs, will adda Marii Cooper
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 8: to try to put us over the top. But you know,
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 8: it's really Shakir and our tight ends that are, you know,
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 8: the guys that are making it go down in and
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 8: down out. And that's I think what you really respect
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 8: about their team building process and why you have confidence that. Sorry, Fred,
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 8: I think the window is probably staying open for.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 5: A little while.
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 7: Yeah, Shakira and James Cooker are such great examples of
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 7: like how we're put into situations to succeed. Like Shakira
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 7: is a very specific type of player, Like he's a
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 7: catch and run slot receiver. Like if you have to
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 7: play him on the outside or you have to ask
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 7: him to go win one on one all the time,
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 7: like he's not gonna be able to do that. But
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 7: in this system, he's just running to space all the
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 7: time and he's just getting the ball on the move
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 7: and then he's making things happen with it and it's
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 7: just a really good fit for him schematically.
• 1:06:16
  Speaker 5: But I would also add because we're playing Buffalo, so
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 5: it's kind of topical. And I wrote a little bit
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 5: about Josh Allen and the Bills this morning. So you're right,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 5: like all of those guys right now were draft picks,
• 1:06:29
  Speaker 5: but it's not necessarily what they did to build the team.
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 5: They did a.
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 9: Little of both.
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 5: You know, when they had the young Josh Allen, they recognized,
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 5: we need to get the most out of this guy,
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 5: and they went out and got Steph Diggs, you know,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 5: to help him out. He no longer needs Steph Diggs.
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 5: This is why I sort of and I know this
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 5: was good. It was a good natured bickering with me
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 5: and Fred about the window. But I believed much more
• 1:06:52
  Speaker 5: in Josh Allen. I didn't think that he needed Stefan
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 5: Diggs anymore. And I thought that, you know, let's call
• 1:06:58
  Speaker 5: it what it is. Khalil Shakir is a fifth round pick.
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 5: You know, he's not like this, you know, like Keon
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 5: Coleman's a guy that they're sort of identified as is
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 5: maybe the you know, a big thing. He's a second
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 5: round pick. James Cook, you know, another high, high draft pick.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 5: But those guys had they were given time to develop
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 5: into their roles with Cook and Shakir, but they both
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 5: in their third year now, so you were able to
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 5: identify we don't have to go to the mat to
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 5: keep Step out Stefan Diggs. We don't have to overpay
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 5: for Gabe Davis, who we really like, but he's kind
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 5: of inconsistent. We could probably get that with a guy
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 5: like Mac Collins in free agency. So I think that
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: they've been pretty smart with some of the moves they made.
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 5: And like I said at the time in the off season,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 5: this wasn't cap casualties. This was a reset. This was
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: we're gonna sort of cycle through some older guys because
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 5: we have some young guys that we think could play
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 5: a little bit, and we're gonna do it that way.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 5: I know everybody thought, like Tredevius White was a cap casualty.
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: They didn't think he was that good anymore. They thought
• 1:08:03
  Speaker 5: Christian Benford was better than him, a young guy that
• 1:08:06
  Speaker 5: they drafted and developed. I think he's a seventh round pick,
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: you know. So Mike's point about the development part is
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 5: very valid. But they built the front. They built what
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 5: the bills are right now. In a lot of ways,
• 1:08:20
  Speaker 5: like getting guys from other places as well.
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 9: By the reason why coaching so important.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 8: And that's I mean, how many guys did Paul just
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 8: list off of guys that, oh this, he was a
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 8: sixth round pick, he was a fifth round pick, that
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 8: now is in year three and now he's leading the
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 8: team in receptions. Yep, you know the development that you've seen,
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 8: whereas you know, we're looking at guys like Kyle Duggar
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 8: who's been here four years and like he doesn't seem
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 8: like he's getting better. He's not emerging to be a
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 8: leader on this team. And that's you know, I think
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 8: that's just that illustrates to me the difference in these
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 8: these two franchises and now they've.
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 5: But also not falling in love with all your own
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 5: players and not being afraid and I think Bill did
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 5: this for a long time very well, not being afraid
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 5: to let guys go even if they're still good players.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 5: You know, like Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyle were really
• 1:09:04
  Speaker 5: good players for them for a long time. Now, I
• 1:09:06
  Speaker 5: think Hyde actually came back on the practice squad. I
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 5: think he's back there as a veteran presence. But they
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: you know, that defense is not as good as it's
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: been in the past, but they're figuring it out. You know,
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 5: it didn't look good the last couple of weeks. They've
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 5: given enough forty plus the last couple of weeks. But
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 5: you know they'll figure it out.
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 8: But you just look at like at Oliver high round
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 8: draftick both edges high round draft picks. I mean, you
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 8: know a lot of the core, and I know I totally.
• 1:09:30
  Speaker 5: Agree with your points that they're all draft picks. Matt Milano,
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 5: Matt Milano in the middle, Like the core, that's the
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 5: core of that team is You're you're a thousand percent right.
• 1:09:39
  Speaker 9: We need to draft often.
• 1:09:41
  Speaker 7: Developed shows though, like you know a lot of these
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 7: guys like like Alan is making all these guys better, right,
• 1:09:48
  Speaker 7: and like he's.
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 5: Like Khalil Shakier. We would be saying, why don't why
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 5: can't we get anything out of Khalis Shakir. That's what
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 5: we'd be saying if he was on the Patriots, because
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 5: he'd be the number one guy, the focus of the
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 5: other team's secondary and he ain't that. Yeah, in jail,
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 5: we didn't even get into like the tight ends that
• 1:10:03
  Speaker 5: are such a huge part.
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 7: Both both draft.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 5: Picks King King Kayden knocks, Yeah.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 7: They just you know, like James Cook's a good back,
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 7: but he's cut. He's got huge holes to run through
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 7: all the time because of how they stress it with Alan,
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 7: and it's just, you know, it's just a perfect marriage
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 7: of like play designer.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 8: Quarterback, scheme and talent.
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 7: And they have enough talent around Alan at the skill position.
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 5: They even got another key running back that they've you know,
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 5: draft pick and Ray Davis who's given them a little
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 5: bit of a lift as a as a second option.
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: Podcasts at Patriots dot com is the email address, Justin
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 9: writes in love the show, especially the measured approach. Compared
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 9: to other media outlets, Well, there you go.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 5: Very few have ever called me measured.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 9: My question is this, if Gerard Mayo got fired, do
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 9: you think he'd get hired somewhere else as a defensive coordinator.
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 9: My guests would be no, But what do you all think?
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 9: If your answers know as well, then doesn't that tell
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 9: us all we need to know.
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 5: That's a great question.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I told you these wouldn't weren't going to be
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 9: for the faint of heart. The only positive I hear
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 9: are the team hasn't quit on him. My question about
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 9: this is does he deserve all the credit for that.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 9: These are all professionals that have to continue to put
• 1:11:10
  Speaker 9: out good tape for future jobs. So does he really
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 9: even deserve a bunch of credit for that? So it's
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 9: that's a good question of the first one. Would he
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 9: he never was a defensive coordinator. Going into the season,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 9: we really didn't know how good a coach he was.
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 7: So yeah, I've been most disappointed by that side of
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 7: the ball. Like, offensively, I knew it was gonna be
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 7: a slog and it was probably not going to be
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 7: uh as creative as I would like to be able
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 7: to break down offensive tape. But defensively, like they they
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 7: brought a lot of other guys back, They brought a
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 7: lot of the coaches back, and you just thought that
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 7: it was going to be sort of a continuation of
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 7: what they were doing with Bill, and they they their
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 7: fundamentals have regressed. They're they're tackling has regressed. Like they've
• 1:12:02
  Speaker 7: just regressed across the board on that side of the ball,
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 7: Like all the players that they resigned and brought back
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 7: have all regressed, you know, and and so like how
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 7: did that happen? I think is one of the biggest
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 7: questions that I have me too.
• 1:12:14
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna put a mini project together this week. I'm
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 5: gonna I'm going to dive into this.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 4: A little bit.
• 1:12:18
  Speaker 8: Can any polls involved with that or what's the project?
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 8: No poles, no.
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 5: Pulse, I'm gonna I'm gonna look at the last two
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 5: years of Defense. I'm going to do it, doing a
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 5: deep dive on the Red fans the last two years,
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 5: and I've want to see just how well I haven't.
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 5: I have a hypothesis.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 9: I was going to say, you have a preconceived Yeah,
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 9: you're going in.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 5: I just with the bias and if it if it
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 5: turns out to be wrong, I will come in here
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 5: and I say I did X, Y and Z and
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 5: I came out of it and I found out that
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 5: I'm way off base.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 7: I don't know about the stats, and I'll be interested
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 7: to see your your project and I don't I don't know,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 7: but I test. You can obviously watch this defense and
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 7: you can't, like in terms of assignment, it's.
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 5: Not as well coached as it's been in the Like
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 5: I don't think there's any argument against.
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 7: Right, Like that's all you know. I don't know, Like
• 1:13:03
  Speaker 7: were they paper tigers before? Like, yes, possibly, but this year,
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 7: you know, they they're just not sound, like they're not
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 7: fundamentally sound on that side of the football. Hard to argue,
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 7: and Bill would never have let that happen.
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 5: I hard to argue that part. I was a major
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: concern for me in the off season. I said this
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 5: to you many times, Freddy Bill's loss, like forget about
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 5: the coach, the head coach of the team, Bill's loss
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 5: in terms of coordinating, game planning and adjusting on defense.
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 5: I don't think anybody really took into consideration.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 9: We did. We we said it.
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 5: No, we yeah, I'm talking about outside of here. We did, because,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 5: as the emailer said, we're a measured we take a
• 1:13:45
  Speaker 5: measured approaching these stuff.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 7: Though, like if it was I'm talking about like the
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 7: fundamentals of FO and that piece of it, I was,
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 7: I'm shocked has gone so far downhill, because like it's
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 7: one thing if you get into a chess match with
• 1:13:59
  Speaker 7: Sean McVay and DeMarcus Coming didn't girod or not up
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 7: to outwit him. At this point, you know, when the
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 7: Rams are here a couple of weeks ago, Bill might
• 1:14:07
  Speaker 7: have been, they weren't. Okay. Whatever, they'll grow, they'll learn,
• 1:14:11
  Speaker 7: but you know, the breakdowns, the bust the run fits,
• 1:14:14
  Speaker 7: like the techniques of taking on blocks and the tackling,
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 7: you know, like all these types of things going. That
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 7: was buttoning all that up. I guess.
• 1:14:26
  Speaker 5: So I don't know what I think that Bill did.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: And this is the thing that I've been most surprised about,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 5: even from my perspective, not necessarily being a huge believer
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 5: in the defense. What Bill would see. Bill would like
• 1:14:39
  Speaker 5: if it started off bad and you'd be like, oh,
• 1:14:43
  Speaker 5: we didn't have a good game plan this week. The
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 5: other team is picking us apart. Bill would figure out
• 1:14:48
  Speaker 5: what the other team was doing and he would stop
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: it and at least make the other team do something
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 5: else different to continue the success. Now, to Evan's point,
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 5: I've seen a half dozen games this year where the
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 5: other team is doing something and they have success doing
• 1:15:07
  Speaker 5: it for virtually sixty minutes. Jacksonville running the ball seventeen
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 5: plays in a row, the Cardinals really running the ball.
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 5: I don't think they ran the ball enough in that game.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 5: I think if they just wanted to run the ball,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 5: he could have done what Jacksonville did and just shortened
• 1:15:22
  Speaker 5: the game and you know, done, done, exactly because James
• 1:15:26
  Speaker 5: Connor had sixteen carries in this game. Yeah he I mean,
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 5: imagine if he had twenty five, He's got like two
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 5: hundred and twenty yards. If if he gave him another
• 1:15:35
  Speaker 5: ten carries, like they didn't stop them all day. And
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 5: that never used to happen with Bill. He would say, okay,
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 5: we're getting gashed. Let's do you know this is an
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 5: obscure reference. Do you remember the Tim Tebow game in Denver?
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 5: The first time they would play Tim Tebow? Sure, and
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 5: they're doing the nonsense that he would do with the
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 5: running around, and they went right down the field twice
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 5: and then they never moved the ball again because Bill said, Okay,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 5: we're going to do this, this and this, and that's
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 5: going to stop that. And obviously Tebo had no things
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: to fall back on because he couldn't throw.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I just you know, I don't think Juwan Bentley
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 7: is Ray Lewis or like this all time great linebacker.
• 1:16:12
  Speaker 7: But you know they always had a sledgehammer at the mic,
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 7: like whether it was high tower Bentley even like a
• 1:16:19
  Speaker 7: land In right.
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 5: Like Roberts is still playing well for the Steelers.
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 7: Like they always had somebody that was gonna run through
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 7: you know who's face as a Lannon Roberts would tell
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 7: us all so like they don't have like Tavi's not that,
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 7: Taki Talkie is not that Christian Ellis certainly isn't that,
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 7: And like there's just that softness in the middle of
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 7: the defense, Like anybody can run on this defense like
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 7: you you have like next week against Buffalo, Like they
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 7: could run for two hundred and fifty yards against the
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 7: Patriots if they wanted to.
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 9: H philin Vermont says, I need this question answer exactly
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 9: how untalented are some of the players on this team.
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 9: I watch ball and pretty much know what I'm seeing,
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 9: but I'll know her. But I'm no Revin Lazar. The
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 9: team has a lot of holes, but I think most
• 1:17:04
  Speaker 9: would agree the main issue on the roster is the
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 9: old line. Real question, could any of the current starters
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 9: for the O line start for any other of the
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 9: thirty one teams in the league or are they in
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 9: fact that bad. I'd also ask the same question of
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 9: the wide receiver group.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 5: Mike, Yeah, I think I want to start for teams.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 5: You know, I'm just Chiefs, but you know other teams
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 5: I would.
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 8: Refer to to Mike Reese's a little right up today
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  Speaker 8: where you know, I think he made a good point.
• 1:17:30
  Speaker 5: I got to check this out. There are all raving
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 5: about it.
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 8: He did less talented teams that you know, play together,
• 1:17:36
  Speaker 8: play well, play you know, play sound fundamentally, and that's
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 8: you know, one of the things I like about football
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 8: is that you know, at a very least you can
• 1:17:42
  Speaker 8: do that. It doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna be the
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 8: best defense in the league, but you know you can
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 8: run fits and you know everybody plays together all that,
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 8: those cliches, and that's just what you don't see. I mean,
• 1:17:53
  Speaker 8: it's just like we talked about with the defense specifically,
• 1:17:56
  Speaker 8: it's you know, a couple guys make him plays occasionally.
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 8: But then you can go right down the list and
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 8: be like Ko might had these two pressures, but he
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 8: also had these two blown edges. You know, Christian Barmore
• 1:18:05
  Speaker 8: did this, but he'd also did you know, every single
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 8: guy is up and down, and it's and it's a
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 8: comedy of erarors. It takes turns each different play who's
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 8: gonna mess up this time? And the result is basically
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 8: offense is doing what they want defensively.
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 7: It's so true that you can play together as eleven
• 1:18:22
  Speaker 7: guys and I'll play your talent ten out of ten.
• 1:18:25
  Speaker 5: Time, especially when it comes to stopping the run. Yeah,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: Bill has said that.
• 1:18:28
  Speaker 7: Yeah, offensively, I just don't think they get enough help
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 7: from the scheme. Like if at Paul's point earlier about
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 7: if the tackle just blows the block, well you you
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 7: don't have the guys to just make those blocks. You
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 7: don't have the receivers to just win one on one.
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 7: Like you can't just roll the ball out, you know,
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 7: and play like. You have to do things offensively that
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 7: are creative and that are are different because you are
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 7: talent deficient. And I think that's the part that they lack.
• 1:18:56
  Speaker 5: But but like you know, and totally a thousand percent
• 1:19:00
  Speaker 5: with you, the specific the third and third and fourth
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 5: and one that's really bugged me. And listen, the quarterback
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 5: sneak whatever you want, that's fine, if you want. If
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 5: you want to say they should be in shotgun and
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 5: let Drake may get out on the edges, and I'm
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 5: all for that. Let Drake may make a play, you know,
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: especially after the third down play gets snuffed. But if
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 5: you're going to run up the middle like ninety nine
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 5: percent of the other teams in the league do when
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 5: it's third and this much and fourth and this much,
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 5: and you just decide, I'm not going to block a guy.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: On both plays, it's not a missed block. No one
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 5: blocked the defensive tackle on the third down play that
• 1:19:38
  Speaker 5: stuff Gibson, and no one blocked the linebacker on a
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 5: little bit of a stunt on the fourth down play
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 5: that like, I don't know what to do, Like I
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: don't know who to kill, I don't know who I'm
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: I don't even know who I'm mad at. It's just
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 5: so frustrating that It's one thing if you just get
• 1:19:54
  Speaker 5: overwhelmed physically, and this is what Evan's talking about, like
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 5: you need some help from your scheme. If they got
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 5: overwhelmed physically and the you know, Ben Brown is taking
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 5: on some defensive tackle who's knocking them three yards deep
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 5: in the backfield and the penetration causes the back to stop.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 5: Totally get that. Nobody blocked the guy.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 7: No, they were supposed to block the guy. They just
• 1:20:14
  Speaker 7: missed the block. Like the first play on third down,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 7: Laden Robinson is supposed to block the guy, yeah, and
• 1:20:18
  Speaker 7: he whiffs. He comes out of his stands and he
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 7: misses him. On the fourth down play, Vedarien Lowe is
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 7: supposed to block that guy, which allows the polar on
• 1:20:27
  Speaker 7: when to block the linebacker.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 5: Saying, it's not I'm not good enough to block this
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 5: guy that I understand, Like the guy's better than your guy,
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 5: and he overpowered you. You whiffed like you didn't even
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 5: touch them. Especially the third down play that took like
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 5: a big three hundred pound guy on third down, the
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 5: food down play. I'm going to give the Cardinals a
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: little credit that was that was kind of I mean,
• 1:20:49
  Speaker 5: I'm not I'm not having when it comes to breaking
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 5: this stuff down. That seemed a little creative to me.
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 5: The way they sort of ran the guy inside. They
• 1:20:56
  Speaker 5: ran a stunt with it, with the idea being that
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 5: that fifty one guy was going to be unblocked and
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 5: it worked.
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I get what you're getting, a pol I mean
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 8: to me, it's like even without who missed the block,
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 8: It's just it comes down to the end of the season.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 8: You need a yard in a game where you're trying
• 1:21:10
  Speaker 8: to show, you know that you're a team that's starting
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 8: to come together, that has a little bit of a
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 8: spark here and they couldn't get a yard on two
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 8: different chances, regardless of who was at fault, Like, that's
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 8: where this team's at.
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean Scarnekia used to tell me all the
• 1:21:23
  Speaker 7: time that if you can't pick up a yard and situation,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 7: you stay. You know, he he was as blunted.
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 9: And that's that's the mindset you have to have. And
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 9: you know, getting back to you know Bill and and
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 9: you know the fundamentals. You know, he his coaching staff
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 9: knew how he wanted it coached like you didn't. He
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 9: didn't have to explain to Dante scarneki or you know,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 9: name the position coach. Here's you know, because they came in.
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 9: The first thing Bill made sure is this is how
• 1:21:56
  Speaker 9: I want this position coach, because he was that hands
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 9: on with all of the positions. And then you get
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 9: into that groove where you don't have to say it
• 1:22:04
  Speaker 9: anymore because they know what Bill expects. And then what
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 9: happened is as you've got more of the brain drain
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 9: over the years, Bill started losing those guys and it
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 9: was tougher for him. But you know Bill loved coaching.
• 1:22:19
  Speaker 9: He in practice, you saw it. You know, I would
• 1:22:22
  Speaker 9: always look at oh, who's he spending time with today
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 9: and any camp. And he was teaching. He was teaching.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 9: It wasn't just overseeing. He was telling these position coaches,
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 9: here's what I here's what we're doing this week. Here's
• 1:22:35
  Speaker 9: what I need you to do with your players. And
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 9: obviously Gerard's not there yet. Very few coaches are even
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 9: after many years. But Jerad's not there yet in his
• 1:22:45
  Speaker 9: first year, and we're seeing that. Let's go back to
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 9: the TPX outline. Patty's in Agawam. It's been holding on
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 9: for a long time. What's up Patty in Afion?
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 28: Everyone, Hey got a question, but I got a little
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 28: bit of breaking Patriots news to the Saturday twenty eighth
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 28: game against the Chargers is going to be at one o'clock.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 28: I just saw that an NFL dot com What.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 9: Day, Saturday eight on Saturday Saturday, Yeah, that was announced.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 29: I just want to give you you guys in this
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 29: show props because Paul, you're right, like I can't remember
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 29: if it was you were friend who first said it,
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 29: but both of you guys were a little bit worried
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 29: about the drop off on the defense without Bill, and
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 29: I was one of those people that was on the
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 29: other side of that, I thought the infrastructure was in
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 29: place as coaching. I thought we had the players, that
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 29: the drop off wasn't going to be as draftic as
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 29: it's been.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 9: And well, the context of those statements, I remember it clearly, Patty.
• 1:23:44
  Speaker 9: It was in the off season and we were thinking about,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 9: you know, the forecast for twenty twenty four, and everyone
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 9: was saying, we look, if the defense is as good
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 9: as it was last year, and Jude on back right,
• 1:23:55
  Speaker 9: and I remember us saying, listen, don't expect it to
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 9: be as good because you can't factor in the loss
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 9: of Bill Belichick, or in other words, I should say better,
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 9: you have to factor in the loss of Bill Belichick
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 9: in that defense, and so you can't expect the defense
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 9: to be as good as it was, you know, barring
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 9: any other changes as it was the year before. I'm
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 9: still not saying it wasn't time for Bill to go.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 9: It was, but but that's just the fact.
• 1:24:26
  Speaker 7: I thought it was just a fact. I thought that
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 7: there was a chance that they'd be schematically different, like
• 1:24:32
  Speaker 7: they'd bring up different flavor of how they wanted to
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 7: play a little bit. I just different coaches to have
• 1:24:38
  Speaker 7: different strokes you.
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 9: Know, it's pretty much the same on defense, yeah Marcus Covington, Yeah.
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 7: But they're not like the ones that are Actually they
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 7: weren't running the defense right right, So like what I
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 7: was hoping that de Marcus Covington was gonna have some
• 1:24:53
  Speaker 7: different twists and some different wrinkles like any coach would.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 7: And uh, and it does feel like they just tried
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 7: to run Bill's defense without Bill and they didn't have
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 7: the magic touch that Bill has with this system. You know,
• 1:25:06
  Speaker 7: I was just hoping that they'd be maybe front wise,
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 7: a little bit more aggressive, you know, a little bit
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 7: more uh, you know, one gap, a little bit more
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 7: up the field, like and you know, not necessarily.
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 9: To be fair again, you know, you lose bar more,
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 9: you lose Bentley behind him, you know, you lose.
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 7: Even more reason to run up the field, like you know,
• 1:25:25
  Speaker 7: like if you don't have Bentley to like stand in
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 7: the bubble and take on a guard, like when you're
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 7: asking Christian Ellis said two hundred and thirty pounds to
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 7: do that instead, Like this is what you get. So,
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 7: like I was hoping that they'd be tweaks, Like I
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 7: didn't expect wholesale changes to what they were doing schematically,
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 7: but they haven't really.
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 9: I just think our point in the off seat was,
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 9: don't it's not a given that the defense is going
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 9: to be the same. No.
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 8: I think there's some stuff to decipher there too. With
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 8: the safeties. Pepper's was out, Dugger was hurt for a while,
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 8: and they continued to try to, you know. And I
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 8: think a lot of what schematically do is spinning the
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 8: dial with their safeties, playing them at linebacker, moving them back,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 8: all this down. He's here, then he's over here, you know,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 8: and with Bill and I don't know the purpose behind it,
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 8: but it felt like there was purpose. Well, why we're
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 8: putting this guy here? And I just I wonder if
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 8: these guys are just kind of doing it to do it,
• 1:26:15
  Speaker 8: spinning it to try to be cute, to try to
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 8: maybe confuse the up. But it's not working. It's not working.
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 9: Sam's in West Sussex. What's up, Sam? Sam? Sam?
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 12: Up?
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 9: It's an international call, so.
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 5: You never know, fees.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 9: I've got to Todd in North Carolina. What's up? Todd? Oh?
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 30: I think I'm gonna get my aster when mister Perlo
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 30: has done his work. I was going to ask if
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 30: the schedule might have been different last year for what
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 30: they played this year for the defense.
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's my hypothesis, Todd.
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 30: Well, I think that they we played, didn't we play
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 30: a lot of backup quarterbacks and yep, third string offensive
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 30: linemen and stuff.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not even going to get that deep into
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 5: the weeds in terms of the lineman. But like, i
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 5: just feel like if you look at like they played
• 1:27:05
  Speaker 5: one backup quarterback this year, and that was Tyler Huntley,
• 1:27:10
  Speaker 5: and that's probably the you know, the defense dominated that
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: game and they still lost because they can't score. But
• 1:27:19
  Speaker 5: that's a similar you know, you have fifteen to you know,
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: a tool Lists Miami team, like they we give up
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 5: ten to you know, the Giants without Daniel Jones or
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 5: who you know, whoever they played when they played the
• 1:27:34
  Speaker 5: backups last year, they basically snuffed them out. They couldn't
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 5: win anyway, because much like this year, they just they
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 5: just can't score enough points. Now, maybe the numbers will
• 1:27:44
  Speaker 5: not back that up. I'm gonna look at it a
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 5: little bit in the next couple of days.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 30: I'm very curious to see what you get because I
• 1:27:50
  Speaker 30: don't think that just of course, losing Bill is big
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 30: as you know, mister Kirsh said, but seriously, that's a
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 30: huge the drop offs just too participitous. But just the Bill,
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 30: it just doesn't make sense to me.
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah, we'll see because that's.
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 30: What I would like to hear. And Evan, how can
• 1:28:09
  Speaker 30: they fake this defense? They need to come up with
• 1:28:11
  Speaker 30: a new scheme, like a new approach like you were
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 30: just talking about, or can they revamp it and try
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 30: to run bills or does Bill's defense just not work
• 1:28:19
  Speaker 30: without him? And I'd be curious to hear what you're
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 30: gonna say.
• 1:28:21
  Speaker 11: Thank you, guys, Thanks God.
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it's a it's a fair question. I think it's
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 7: a question good touches a lot of different things too,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 7: because you have to talk about like personnel and who
• 1:28:30
  Speaker 7: you're acquiring in free agency in the draft, and is
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 7: it a certain type of player anymore? Right, Like do
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 7: you need the Anthony Jennings player archetype anymore? Do you
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 7: need a Juwan Bentley type of player anymore? Like those
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 7: guys Dugger and Peppers as like hybrids, like they're very
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 7: specific to this defense and how Bill would do things.
• 1:28:52
  Speaker 7: And if that's not how you're gonna play the point,
• 1:28:54
  Speaker 7: then you have to pivot out of those types of
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 7: archetypes in terms of the player types as well. So
• 1:28:59
  Speaker 7: it's just like this is the type of stuff that
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 7: when we talk about this, this coaching staff and this regime,
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 7: like Bill would have this conversation and be playing three
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 7: D chess right like he would be on a plane
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 7: that like maybe only he could get to Like are
• 1:29:14
  Speaker 7: these the conversations that are happening now?
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 9: Like are they They're in North Carolina?
• 1:29:20
  Speaker 7: But like, are they seriously considering these types of things?
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 7: You know, at a next level type of thinking of
• 1:29:28
  Speaker 7: you know, this is you know, to Douce's point about
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 7: the disguise, and like this is why we're doing it,
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 7: Like are we doing it just to do it? Or
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 7: are we doing it because it's actually giving us an advantage?
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 7: Like Bill always did everything to give him an advantage.
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 7: And I just worry that there we're not thinking. You're
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 7: not going to be Bill, like you're not going to
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 7: be thinking on that plane, but like, can we at
• 1:29:47
  Speaker 7: least be playing chess? Like right now, I don't even
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 7: even know if we're playing checks.
• 1:29:50
  Speaker 9: And you know, Bill learned from good coaches too, and
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 9: you know, your guy, Bill Parcells. One of the things
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 9: that he would always say, and particularly about defensive players,
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 9: is you know, you got to know who you are.
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 9: And you know, Bill Belichick was the same way about
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 9: how we used players. You know, he didn't try to
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 9: ask players to do things that were beyond their skill set.
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 9: And at the same time, a lot of players didn't
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 9: like it because they thought they were better than what
• 1:30:20
  Speaker 9: they were being asked to do. But Bill had the
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 9: credibility to keep them at Bay, you know. So it's
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 9: it's a fine line, but you know, there's no one
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 9: better at it than Belichick, and you couldn't expect it
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 9: there not to be a drop off. Alexander and Brazil
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 9: writes in.
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 7: Ducy's got a point, Oh go ahead, I don't know.
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 8: I'm sharing just two two thoughts. I mean, I just
• 1:30:45
  Speaker 8: what does the defensive coaching staff look like next year?
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 8: And did the Belichick guys stick around? Because I think
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 8: those guys are a key piece if you're trying to
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 8: do this system. Like it's nice to know that Brian
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 8: Belichick and Mike pel Agrino, who understand what they do
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 8: in the secondary and especially with the safeties, Uh, you know,
• 1:31:02
  Speaker 8: they understand it. They can teach it and not just
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 8: put it all on comington. I'd also just say, is
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 8: this gonna be we need to play faster, We're gonna
• 1:31:08
  Speaker 8: simplify the scheme. It's gonna be kind of what they
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 8: try to tell us on offense a couple of years ago,
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 8: where we're trying to be too cute, we're trying to
• 1:31:15
  Speaker 8: be too deceptive. Like let's just go to a defense
• 1:31:18
  Speaker 8: that knows what they're doing. They're gonna play fast, we're
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 8: gonna play like two different personnel groups, and we're gonna
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 8: stop trying to like, look Kyle Ugers here, Oh no,
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 8: he's back there, Like, aren't you confused? Like, no one
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 8: is confused anymore. Like, however, whatever they're doing, it's not
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 8: posing any kind of a problem for any.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 9: Of these teams. Alexander Brazil says, I don't get to
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 9: hold the defense is playing badly because of the coaches.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 9: I'm sure the coaching has something to do with it,
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 9: but I would assume these guys played since they were ten,
• 1:31:45
  Speaker 9: for decades. They've been taught how to tackle the best angles,
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 9: when to go high, when to go low. All of
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 9: a sudden boom, they don't have any idea on how
• 1:31:53
  Speaker 9: to bring a running back down. For me, it has
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 9: way more to do with talent and the roster than
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 9: the coaches. Gonza was a good example. He's being trained
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 9: by the same group of coaches as everyone else, and
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 9: all he does is improve and play well. The same
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 9: with avp Oh the calls on third and fourth downs
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 9: were awful. Why not give it to May? I mean,
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 9: it's not Avp's fault. If the line whiffs all around
• 1:32:16
  Speaker 9: the field, they needed less than a yard. They ran
• 1:32:18
  Speaker 9: straight down the middle two consecutive times. Any NFL team
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 9: should be able to get it, and I think they
• 1:32:24
  Speaker 9: got it on the third down. By the way, a
• 1:32:26
  Speaker 9: QB sneak could have worked, but they would not if
• 1:32:29
  Speaker 9: they didn't block. It wouldn't have worked if they blocked
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 9: the same way. It is simplistic to think this would
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 9: be so much better when Bill went. In fact, the
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 9: offense was bad the last three years and committed lots
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 9: of dumb penalties. The defense was average at best, as
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 9: pressuring quarterbacks and finishing games, especially against good teams, was
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 9: also a problem. This is a bad roster that was
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 9: four and thirteen last year and that probably will be
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 9: three and fourteen this year. Wolf is the man of
• 1:32:58
  Speaker 9: the hour as the teams need lot The team needs
• 1:33:00
  Speaker 9: lots of pieces and not just bodies, they need standout
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 9: talent and players. It's not a bad point, no, I mean.
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 7: I think we all are aware that the talent on
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 7: the roster.
• 1:33:09
  Speaker 5: Is the biggest problem.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 7: Yeah, but I also just think that more can be
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 7: done to help.
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 8: And we've seen some of these guys play better than this.
• 1:33:17
  Speaker 8: We know they're capable.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 5: No one said this is all the defense is not
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 5: playing well all because of coaching. We just felt like
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 5: they were going to miss Belichick as a coach. And
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 5: the same players are the ones that played last year
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: and played better than this.
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 7: Yeah, and the whole thing about like running may in
• 1:33:33
  Speaker 7: these situations, like you know, Paul is talking about how
• 1:33:38
  Speaker 7: guys just whiffed on blocks, but like if you are
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 7: purposely leaving a guy un blocked for him to read
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 7: that player and that player becomes the responsibility of the quarterback.
• 1:33:48
  Speaker 5: Right, Well, now that's all different.
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 7: Now the left guard and the left tackle are doubling,
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 7: or at least he's doubled it, or at least he's
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 7: doubling the guy with Leyden Robinson. So you have two
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 7: bodies in the way instead of just one like, these
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 7: are the things that in order to like get numbers
• 1:34:06
  Speaker 7: advantages into put defenses in stressful positions like this is
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 7: what the good teams do to make those things happen.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 7: This is what the Bills do to make those things happen.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 7: And and they don't do that kind of stuff. So yeah,
• 1:34:18
  Speaker 7: when you line up across from the team and you
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 7: just run the ball traditionally and somebody misses the block,
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 7: you're not going to get the first down.
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah, And that's the only point that I was making. Absolutely,
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 5: you have plays like that that you know backside end
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 5: on you want him to get sucked in so you
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 5: can you can catch them, and things like that. There
• 1:34:37
  Speaker 5: are times you absolutely leave guys unblocked and in passing situations.
• 1:34:41
  Speaker 5: Who was better than Brady at that. I know that
• 1:34:44
  Speaker 5: Ed Reid's coming off now, I'm just gonna wait for
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 5: him to come and jump, and I'm gonna throw it
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 5: over his head because the quarterbacks responsible for that guy.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 9: Yep Nick and Connecticut writes in Fred always says he
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 9: loves caller on call a crime, So I figured I'd
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 9: chime in with my most hated caller. You've had a
• 1:34:59
  Speaker 9: few email saying they hate Christ with a ti n. However,
• 1:35:02
  Speaker 9: they are hating the wrong Christian. Christian from La is
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 9: by far the worst caller. He's a window licking buffoon.
• 1:35:08
  Speaker 9: He calls in and pretends to articulate an obvious point
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 9: from the previous week's game in a creative way. Then
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 9: he ends every call with a question or hypothetical like,
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 9: would you guys trade a seventh rounder for T Higgins
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 9: if he signs for one million a year? I'll hang
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 9: up and listen. Paul is my favorite because he doesn't
• 1:35:23
  Speaker 9: give the majority of his question as any time whatsoever.
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 9: So there you go.
• 1:35:28
  Speaker 5: I never realized that from from Christian.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 9: Little in l a caller on collar crime.
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 5: Window is that a thing?
• 1:35:34
  Speaker 9: A window window licking buffoon?
• 1:35:36
  Speaker 5: Is that a thing? No, I've never heard, not like
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 5: mouth breather or.
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 9: Along the same. You know, Yeah, I used to when
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 9: you were when you were little and you were on
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 9: the bus going to school it was cold out, did
• 1:35:48
  Speaker 9: you used to breathe on the window and drawing?
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 7: I see what you're saying.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I actually never took the bus to school.
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 9: Oh you were. I was a walker, hoy toyy was driven.
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 9: You didn't have a driver.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 11: No.
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 2: I had the majority of the audience thinking that you
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 2: were about to say you licked the windows.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 17: Yeah.
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 9: I didn't lick the windows, but you would breathe on
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 9: them and then draw on them.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 9: Right, let's go to the back to the TPX outline.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 9: Kevin is in South Carolina. What's up Kevin?
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 26: Hey, boys, greeting from a lovely day on coastal South Carolina.
• 1:36:24
  Speaker 26: Good for you, windows like it's going out of style.
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 5: Great, it is like sixty here.
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 9: Did you just call to give us a weather reporter?
• 1:36:32
  Speaker 9: You got a question?
• 1:36:34
  Speaker 26: Boys, I grew up in Boston, where it gets colder
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 26: than sixty. I just wanted to share that I love
• 1:36:38
  Speaker 26: way Bob. He had a great swing, but after he
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 26: ate too much chicken, I fell out of love with him.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 26: I think Chibriel Peppers is toxic the Patriots brand. My
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 26: question is why is he on the roster? Is it
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 26: money or power? And who is responsible?
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 9: Okay, he thinks he's toxic. Why is he on the roster?
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 9: I don't know, And obviously he's off field incident right now. Yeah,
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 9: we don't have any.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 5: I don't have the information to say whether or not
• 1:37:10
  Speaker 5: he should be on the roster, but I think it's
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 5: a fair fair question to ask.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I think he's kind of in legal limbo right
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 8: now and it's a hard spot.
• 1:37:20
  Speaker 9: But other than that, like take away that is he
• 1:37:22
  Speaker 9: a bad like up to that point he was looked
• 1:37:26
  Speaker 9: at as an asset.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 8: You were like, yeah, I know, and I still don't think.
• 1:37:29
  Speaker 8: I mean, I look, I can't speak after the incident
• 1:37:31
  Speaker 8: and all that, Like I'm you know, a little bit
• 1:37:33
  Speaker 8: off the Peppers train of it all, But I would say,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 8: you know, generally speaking going back to the summer, like
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 8: I always that's one of my favorite things about him
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 8: was just the energy and the passion on the football
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 8: field that he brought. Look at his mic up against
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 8: the Eagles, Like, I mean, I think that's something that's
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 8: lacking on this team right now, and it doesn't even
• 1:37:47
  Speaker 8: seem like he's really bringing in anymore. So, I mean,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 8: I guess in that way, I agree with some of
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 8: the sentiment that they're lacking that still, But I just
• 1:37:55
  Speaker 8: I remember in O nine that way that season ended
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 8: getting run off the field out there by the Ravens,
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 8: and then they drafted Gronk and we've talked a lot
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 8: about just that, like whole thing he did on the stage,
• 1:38:04
  Speaker 8: and like that's I feel like what this team's going
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 8: to need this offseason is just a little bit of
• 1:38:08
  Speaker 8: an influx of like life and personality. Guys really want
• 1:38:12
  Speaker 8: to play and you know, and we're I mean, obviously
• 1:38:15
  Speaker 8: the talent part of it goes without saying, but you know,
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 8: that's it just I mean, and of course we're getting
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 8: the end of a season here where they've won three games,
• 1:38:21
  Speaker 8: and so you understand that they're not bringing that kind
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 8: of passion every week anyway, But I still just think
• 1:38:25
  Speaker 8: that they need they need a dose of like leadership
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 8: and energy, and especially on the defensive side of the ball,
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 8: guys who are going to hold the rest of the
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 8: team accountable to a level where it doesn't look exactly
• 1:38:36
  Speaker 8: the same every single week where you just get run
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 8: over and it's mistackles and we're step late and coverage
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 8: and everybody's watching Christian Zalez do a great job, but
• 1:38:43
  Speaker 8: otherwise it's it's a disaster like that. It's just they
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 8: need to turn that around somehow, whether it's with the
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 8: defensive coordinator, whether it's trying to find someone like a
• 1:38:51
  Speaker 8: Willie Mack who you know is going to come in
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 8: and embody the personality the defense and really just give
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 8: them an identity. But right now, the only identity is
• 1:38:58
  Speaker 8: they're one of the worst defenses in the league. And
• 1:39:00
  Speaker 8: that's pretty much it.
• 1:39:01
  Speaker 5: You can tell how much it's hurting him, like, because
• 1:39:04
  Speaker 5: that was that was a double whammy. He had to
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 5: be critical of the defense and wondering where Peppers is.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 5: That's that's that's a tough one.
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 7: For I feel like Barmore and Peppers and I'm not
• 1:39:15
  Speaker 7: blaming Barmore at all, obviously with the medical condition, but
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 7: like those guys are out there right now, but like
• 1:39:22
  Speaker 7: the old Christian Barmore and Jabriel Peppers is not playing.
• 1:39:25
  Speaker 5: So you didn't see much from Barmore on Sunday. So
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 5: I had made the comment after the game, you know,
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 5: I was talking to Matt a little bit and I
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 5: was like, you know, at least in the other games
• 1:39:35
  Speaker 5: I noticed a player too. I was like, oh, there's
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: Barbour's you know, pushed the pockety bit. I did not
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 5: notice Barbo once in this game, and I think he
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: played the most snaps that he's played so far. And
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 5: then someone said, Matt told me that he saw a
• 1:39:49
  Speaker 5: tweet he couldn't remember who tweeted it that it was
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: the old Barmore finally reappeared on Sunday, and I was like,
• 1:39:57
  Speaker 5: really blown away. I was like, there's times that listen
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 5: to the line play I miss it. I'm not gonna lie,
• 1:40:03
  Speaker 5: but I did not notice ninety once.
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 8: Him out yet, so not officially enough.
• 1:40:08
  Speaker 7: So he in his defense, because you have to be fair,
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 7: totally has the defense aside. They also tried to do
• 1:40:17
  Speaker 7: the old Star Wars trash compactor with Kyler in this game,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 7: so they weren't actually like pinning their ears back to
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 7: rush the quarterback. They were trying to contain the quarterback
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 7: for the most part with the pass, which was I
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 7: actually thought they did a decent job. Probably one of
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 7: the only things they did well in this game was
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 7: like Kyler's legs didn't really kill them too much, but
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 7: he had sixteen one on ones zero quarterback pressures. Wow,
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 7: didn't register on the statcheet.
• 1:40:45
  Speaker 9: So now it might be just me kind of projecting,
• 1:40:48
  Speaker 9: but it does look to me like his legs are
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 9: thinner than at the beginning of the season.
• 1:40:53
  Speaker 7: Yeah, he just doesn't have the power, that power that
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 7: get off and that power like he's just not there
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 7: right now for him, and so he's just not not
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 7: the same guy.
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 9: Even you look at his pants. They they they're a
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 9: little bit. They don't do it. Yeah, they don't. I'm
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 9: and it just could be me, but it seems that way. Yeah.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 9: I think I just is gonna need an offseason to
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 9: get back.
• 1:41:16
  Speaker 5: And the games that he's played, I've noticed him, you know,
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 5: individual play here or there. I didn't really remember any
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 5: individual play in this game.
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I agree, And I watched him a couple and
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 9: I said that with all due respect. Eldred's in North Carolina.
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 9: We're big in the Carolinas today. What's up, Eldred?
• 1:41:35
  Speaker 11: Hey, fellas, how y'all doing all right?
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 25: I'm a little upset, but like everybody else, and I
• 1:41:44
  Speaker 25: think it's the line why they want run made that much,
• 1:41:47
  Speaker 25: and it's those wide receivers, and I'm just not everybody else.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 25: I'm just shocked. Ain't got nothing to say. I'm getting
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 25: tired of getting a finger pointed, but I get there,
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 25: what you get from winning for twenty five years. Yeah,
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 25: But the question is Travis or Hunter is a better
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 25: wide receiver. I was trying there.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 9: He's a good corner.
• 1:42:10
  Speaker 25: Too, but that'd be my pick. I like, well, I
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 25: like a t MAC too, but I like that speedwar
• 1:42:17
  Speaker 25: that Hunter brings.
• 1:42:19
  Speaker 9: So you're you're a resident wide receiver whisperers, So you
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 9: really think Travis Hunter can be in a wide receiver
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 9: in the NFL.
• 1:42:28
  Speaker 25: Yeah, I think he can.
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 11: Think he can't.
• 1:42:31
  Speaker 9: Eldred has spoken like.
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 25: Yeah, I like million size, but you don't have to speed.
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 25: But he's a good receiver too, But I will take
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 25: because like the speed. I'm like, what like almost the
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 25: speed out there?
• 1:42:44
  Speaker 9: What does he run? Travis Hunter in a forty.
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 5: I don't know, hasn't run yet, but three seven three seven.
• 1:42:52
  Speaker 25: Four three four four four three and four.
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 7: Four, he's definitely gonna He's definitely gonna run.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: Four point two.
• 1:43:00
  Speaker 9: Wow, point two point two. Let's get him check.
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 5: We'll see what he does in the comments. He's an elite.
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 9: Thanks Eldred athlete.
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 7: I know, absolutely shocked if he runs at the combine.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 7: I don't think he's gonna. I think he's pulling a
• 1:43:12
  Speaker 7: Marvin Harrison Junior. I don't think he's doing anything.
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 5: Not even the pro day huh.
• 1:43:16
  Speaker 7: And I don't blame him, like why it won the
• 1:43:18
  Speaker 7: Heisman Trophy.
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 8: So how much is this gonna be though, that Deon
• 1:43:21
  Speaker 8: Sanders circus with these two guys all spring like, is
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 8: he is this Deans?
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 9: I mean, that's the thing.
• 1:43:28
  Speaker 7: A little bit less than than Son. Yeah, so I'm
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 7: not I'm not like as worried about it with Travis Hunter.
• 1:43:36
  Speaker 7: But that's why I think he's gonna play receiver.
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: You think it was a bit troubling that Shador Sanders
• 1:43:40
  Speaker 5: was on the stage for him at the Heisman, I mean, like,
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 5: what are we doing?
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 26: I don't know.
• 1:43:45
  Speaker 8: That's yeah, we'll see.
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 5: I I mean it's enough that there's a lot of
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 5: question marks about cam Wood and Sanders as quarterbacks, but
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 5: now you're going to take a question mark who's not
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 5: necessarily considered to be the number one overall pick worthy
• 1:44:04
  Speaker 5: player in most years, and the potential that he comes
• 1:44:07
  Speaker 5: with him, that Dion comes with him and everything around Deon.
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 5: I don't mean physically him, you know what I.
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 9: Mean, not that I think sad is that a great quarterback?
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 9: But I think if he drops, it's partly because of
• 1:44:19
  Speaker 9: Deon Sanders. Like I don't, I don't want to deal
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 9: with you.
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 5: But I think if he's not that good, but if
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 5: he yes, if he had the elite talent, it wouldn't
• 1:44:27
  Speaker 5: have anything to do with it. But now I have
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 5: questionable talent. And I don't mean questionable talent, like he's
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 5: not anything, but he's not. I mean questionable NFL talent.
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 5: He's a terrific another terrific athlete, but you know he's
• 1:44:38
  Speaker 5: like another finger pointer, you know, throws his line under
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 5: the thele. He spent the whole first year in Colorado
• 1:44:43
  Speaker 5: making fun of the offensive line every game. It was terrible.
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: It was terrible. You don't hear Drake May saying that.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 7: I know, but they didn't have a power for offensive line,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 7: like they had a Jackson State offensive line playing in
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 7: a in a But.
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 5: I think I should have I should have had eighty
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 5: some odd guys come in the portal. I should have
• 1:45:00
  Speaker 5: had five of them.
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 7: I think Schudor is a little bit better than you
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 7: guys are giving.
• 1:45:04
  Speaker 5: I think he's good. I just I think there's questions
• 1:45:06
  Speaker 5: about him, that's all.
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't he wouldn't be necessarily in like the
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 7: Caleb Jade and Daniels Drake May tire.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 5: But would he be better than Pennix?
• 1:45:16
  Speaker 7: I think he's right there with Pennix. And bow Knicks.
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 9: Speaking of the portal the Holy Cross to North Carolina portal, Uh,
• 1:45:24
  Speaker 9: pipeline start to top the.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 8: Talent, right, Yeah, championship. Amanda Belichick gave him some inside info.
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 8: That's really good, Guard, but it's good to see we
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 8: got to shut out the Holy Cross kid. Jalen Coker
• 1:45:35
  Speaker 8: had a big touchdown last week for for Indy. He's
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 8: a come on, sorry, Carolina, my bad. Okay, So yeah,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 8: we'll get some some success down there.
• 1:45:43
  Speaker 9: Uh, Cedars another call for Carolina. Kendall is in North Carolina.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 9: What's up? Kendall?
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 31: Hey, how you guys are doing good?
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 9: Good? Good?
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 31: One questions, but it it can be for all the y'all,
• 1:45:57
  Speaker 31: which all, would would you be okay taking Travis Hunter
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 31: at three if we don't make if we don't make
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 31: another wide Receiver edition and all seem like a T Higgins?
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 31: Or would you only want him if you already had
• 1:46:08
  Speaker 31: the X and T Higgins or whatnot?
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 11: And how would you use.
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 31: Travis Hunter if we if we don't make another dish
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 31: at wild Receiver?
• 1:46:16
  Speaker 9: Gotcha? All right? Good question, thanks Kendall. Yeah, see, I'm
• 1:46:20
  Speaker 9: assuming they're going to do both, but anyway, yeah, I think.
• 1:46:23
  Speaker 7: That's the toughest part about the Travis Hunters cushion is
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 7: just how do you use him and where does he
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 7: play it? Just even if you pick a side of
• 1:46:30
  Speaker 7: the ball with him, you know, at wide receiver. I
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 7: I don't think he's like a prototypical X. I think
• 1:46:35
  Speaker 7: he's better used off the line of scrimmage and moving
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 7: him inside and outside. So you know, yeah, you'd probably
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 7: have to have like a true X if you want
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 7: to call it that to pair with him. But I'm
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 7: not too worried about that. Like, I feel like he
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 7: is going to be have that potential to be that
• 1:46:55
  Speaker 7: like number one wide receiver, and whoever that X is
• 1:46:58
  Speaker 7: like doesn't need to be the guy like it will.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 8: Just have some guy with some size on the outside
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 8: you can run down the field.
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 7: Yeah, like Hunters go and come back, So you know
• 1:47:05
  Speaker 7: you're gonna have to.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 4: If you will.
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 9: There you go? What was jojo?
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 8: Jojo Jojo?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 7: I still signed to Higgins.
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 9: Let's see Brandon and Hickory North carol I can't believe
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 9: all the people in the Carolinas that are now Is
• 1:47:22
  Speaker 9: it all because of Drake May?
• 1:47:23
  Speaker 7: Do you think probably?
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 5: Well, the Drake May haters are chiming back in.
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 9: AVP has to go, in my opinion, I know it's
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 9: not good to start over with Drake, but our receivers
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 9: are not capable of getting open on their own, so
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 9: you have to rely on being able to scheme your
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 9: guys open, which AVP can't do. I know our receiving
• 1:47:41
  Speaker 9: corps isn't good, but just watching the other teams, they
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 9: seem still to be able to get guys open sometimes. Also,
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 9: I feel like avp's offense is not using Drake's to
• 1:47:51
  Speaker 9: his ability. I get trying to teach the young quarterback
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 9: how to play from the pocket and go through his reads,
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 9: but when you have a playmaker like May, you have
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 9: to let him play football. Look at Josh Allen. If
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 9: you ask Josh to just drop back and throw the ball,
• 1:48:06
  Speaker 9: then I don't think Buffalo would be as good as
• 1:48:08
  Speaker 9: they're playing right now, and Buffalo doesn't have a top
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 9: ten receiving corps. I just feel like avp's offense doesn't
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 9: get the most out of our QB in long term,
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 9: it will hinder us. Well, we had that discussion earlier
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 9: in the show.
• 1:48:23
  Speaker 8: You know, I just want to the point of conversation
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 8: with the people that you know, called in and would
• 1:48:28
  Speaker 8: use switching offensive coordinators as a factor in breaking quarterbacks.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 8: And you know just how you feel about that now
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 8: if you're advocating for that, are you you know, are
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 8: you not worried about that anymore?
• 1:48:39
  Speaker 7: That's why I think that is valid. Yeah, that's why
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 7: I would be open to you. I said earlier in
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 7: the show, like if I was Girawed Mayo, I'd be
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 7: asking a VP to like after the season's over, like
• 1:48:51
  Speaker 7: present me with like the Drake may package, like how
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 7: are we going to incorporate this mobility into the offense
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 7: next year? And like see if he can just do
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 7: it like himself, maybe he goes to you know, coaching
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 7: buddy or something and learns from that from them, how
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 7: to you know, how they do it at the college
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 7: level or something like that. Before I'm just like, you know,
• 1:49:14
  Speaker 7: canning him and then really blowing out the entire offensive
• 1:49:17
  Speaker 7: staff at that point.
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 8: Yeah, what if they just said we're just gonna drop
• 1:49:20
  Speaker 8: your pants size by one and then just see it
• 1:49:22
  Speaker 8: get the pants a little tighter? Maybe that if you're not.
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 7: With like, let's send him on a retreat with like
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 7: Lincoln Riley and he's like what if we just make.
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 8: It's gonna push the blood to the brain more creativity.
• 1:49:37
  Speaker 5: And yeah, then you just I love the way that
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 5: email started though, And I'm not I'm not picking on
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 5: the email because I didn't think that really anything you
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 5: said was wrong, But like it's time a VP's got
• 1:49:47
  Speaker 5: to go. I know, I know we don't have any
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 5: good wide receivers, but like you know, there's not a
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 5: lot of examples of teams around the league that have
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 5: no talent that are able to just scheme it up
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 5: and be great.
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 9: And that's the chicken egg quandary that we have right
• 1:50:01
  Speaker 9: now coaching versus talent.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 7: But I just worry about like the offensive tree as
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 7: a whole. Like Cleveland, Dallas, the Patriots, they're all running
• 1:50:12
  Speaker 7: this McCarthy offense, and they all stink. So like whether
• 1:50:17
  Speaker 7: it's you know, Drake May and the Patriots talent or
• 1:50:20
  Speaker 7: it's the Cowboys talent and they have they have ceedee lamb.
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 5: Like they have offense didn't stink last year.
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 7: That's true, that's true, but it just in general, you know,
• 1:50:31
  Speaker 7: this is this scheme too outdated.
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 5: For I think that's a legit concern. But I also
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 5: think that the point that Mike brought up about that
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 5: kennundrum of is that the worst thing you can do
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 5: to a young quarterback is constantly ask him to change coordinators.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 4: Yep.
• 1:50:48
  Speaker 5: And I would argue that I would rather change coordinators
• 1:50:53
  Speaker 5: than stick with a bad one for continuity's sake. And
• 1:50:55
  Speaker 5: I'm not saying Alex van Pelt is bad. I'm saying
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 5: in a vacuum philosophically, Yeah.
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 7: I just worry about it about Drake in his confidence
• 1:51:04
  Speaker 7: and like at some point he's going to have to
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 7: see some shots go through, right, And like if you're
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 7: because I'm with you that, like continuity is important and
• 1:51:14
  Speaker 7: all that kind of stuff, but like so is actually
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 7: like having some success, yeah, and not just having it
• 1:51:20
  Speaker 7: in like flashes where like, oh, he made a great
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 7: throw to Kendrick Bourne at the end of the game
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 7: the other day.
• 1:51:25
  Speaker 5: Like they ask success, right, they have to go out.
• 1:51:27
  Speaker 7: There and like win a game where they score thirty
• 1:51:29
  Speaker 7: points or something.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 9: I mean, we've talked about it before. We we we
• 1:51:33
  Speaker 9: are just at a disadvantage because we don't really have
• 1:51:36
  Speaker 9: all the facts. We know what we see, but we
• 1:51:39
  Speaker 9: what are the root causes of these problems? Is it
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 9: the coaching? Is it the talent. You know which is
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 9: which is worse? And that's the one you have to
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 9: address first, and we we can't really answer that because
• 1:51:51
  Speaker 9: we don't have all the facts. Destiny from Maryland Rights.
• 1:51:54
  Speaker 9: And have you guys seen the bill's new uniform that
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 9: they're wearing on Sunday? I found it hilarious they're wearing
• 1:52:00
  Speaker 9: red jerseys. Coworkers says the Patriots are not relevant enough
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 9: for teams to want a troll. But I guess he
• 1:52:06
  Speaker 9: doesn't understand division, rivalry, hatred even when you're down. You
• 1:52:09
  Speaker 9: think that's why they're doing it to trol us. Now,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 9: I don't know the sea they do. They have read
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 9: in their uniform.
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 7: I honestly have to admit I think that they don't
• 1:52:18
  Speaker 7: give two poops about you.
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 5: I think that's closer to the truth than yep, yeah,
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 5: any any of the other theories. But I don't I
• 1:52:26
  Speaker 5: haven't seen the uniform, so I don't know.
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 9: Is it the red?
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 5: But is it patriot reminiscent?
• 1:52:31
  Speaker 8: I didn't get it's solid red?
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 5: But haven't they won that before?
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 8: I thought so, But I don't know that's what they're saying.
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 9: Uh, let's go back to the TPX headline. Eric's in LA.
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 9: What's up, Eric?
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 11: Hey, how's it going guys?
• 1:52:46
  Speaker 7: Okay, okay, just look.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 11: At some draft talk here.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 10: So my fantasy at the end of the season, I
• 1:52:55
  Speaker 10: just I'm tired of passing up on blue chip talent
• 1:52:58
  Speaker 10: in the draft. We got enough of that will build,
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 10: you know, trading down and whatnot. I just feel like
• 1:53:03
  Speaker 10: we just just take Travis Hunter, signed t Higgins, and
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 10: where about.
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 11: The rest later.
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 9: Okay, I have to get your opinion on that. I
• 1:53:14
  Speaker 9: had nothing wrong with that.
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 5: That's a good plan. Yeah, you know, get to try
• 1:53:17
  Speaker 5: to get a tackle in the second round. You're going
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 5: to be at the top of the second round. You
• 1:53:20
  Speaker 5: might be able to get a tackle that can play.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah.
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, it's Travis Hunter going to be there.
• 1:53:25
  Speaker 7: Three, I don't know.
• 1:53:27
  Speaker 5: I'm skeptical.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 11: Question.
• 1:53:28
  Speaker 7: I'm still skeptical of both quarterbacks.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 5: One.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 4: Two.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 7: I think Dion is gonna get Shador to Vegas. I
• 1:53:36
  Speaker 7: think that's gonna happen.
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 9: But the Giants over Tom Brady's dead body.
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 7: Well, they're they're they're actually know each other pretty well.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah yeah, and Brady worked to work out together.
• 1:53:48
  Speaker 7: Oh yeah, so uh, I I think the Giants are
• 1:53:53
  Speaker 7: the team that like, could the Giants be like a
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 7: Sam Donald team or like, you know, something along those.
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 5: Lines, especially if they keep table right.
• 1:54:00
  Speaker 7: And like instead of just overdrafting a quarterback, maybe they
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 7: take you know, Travis Hunter or whatever, and then they
• 1:54:08
  Speaker 7: build you know, the roster, and then if they need
• 1:54:10
  Speaker 7: a quarterback in a year or two because Sam Darnald
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 7: doesn't work out, maybe it's a better class for them
• 1:54:16
  Speaker 7: to take a quarterback. I'm just skeptical that that cam
• 1:54:19
  Speaker 7: Ward and shouldor are gonna go one two. Like, I
• 1:54:21
  Speaker 7: just don't think that this is that kind of quarterback class.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 9: Zach and Wilmington North Carolina just keep coming in. First off,
• 1:54:31
  Speaker 9: thank you for the content you provide. We all appreciate it.
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 9: I've been thinking about Mayo's future with the Patriots and
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 9: have to admit I may be falling into the time
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 9: to move on category, even though I really like him.
• 1:54:41
  Speaker 9: My reasoning is that I just don't know of a
• 1:54:44
  Speaker 9: single thing that I would say he's great at. There's
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 9: been issues with clock management, critical decisions in late games, drafting,
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 9: player acquisition, player development, and overall competitiveness this season. My
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 9: question is, do you disagree? Is there something I'm missing?
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 9: That you would point to and say he's done a
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 9: really good job with this or that.
• 1:55:06
  Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't disagree. I mean, look, I just I mean,
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 8: I've said it to these guys. I do think he'll
• 1:55:12
  Speaker 8: be back, but I think that there's gonna be a
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 8: lot of pressure on him next year right out of
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 8: the gate. Immediately.
• 1:55:18
  Speaker 5: It's hard to argue all the coaching points that he made,
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 5: Like they've had issues with clock management, they've had issues
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 5: with sort of aggressiveness, fourth downs, consistency of approach and
• 1:55:27
  Speaker 5: stuff like that. That's kind of inarguable. I would say,
• 1:55:34
  Speaker 5: I think he has the players, like, I think the players,
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 5: you know, want him to succeed. I think they believe
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 5: in him to an extent, but that only lasts so
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 5: long if you don't start to have some success. That's
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 5: why I did think it was important to win a
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 5: few games. And I know that, you know, Evan's on
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 5: the draft pick bandwagon. I don't think Evan's wrong for that, but.
• 1:55:51
  Speaker 7: Just at this point, it's like, yeah, but I.
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: Mean I do wonder if if you go three and fourteen,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 5: and you've won seven games in two years, and now
• 1:56:00
  Speaker 5: you have I don't know, thirty five of the guys
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 5: that have won seven games in two years back for
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 5: your team the following year. That's hard.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 9: It's tough to build a culture that way.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 9: We'll end the show with some trivia. It's trivia from
• 1:56:14
  Speaker 9: the nineties and two thousands.
• 1:56:16
  Speaker 5: Trivia excellent, love it.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 9: See four oh No. Five questions. Who led the Patriots
• 1:56:24
  Speaker 9: and Sackson both the nineties three and ninety four seasons?
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 8: Chris Lade?
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 9: Chris Slade is correct.
• 1:56:29
  Speaker 5: That would be my guess.
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 9: How many how many consecutive seasons did Vincent Brown lead
• 1:56:34
  Speaker 9: the team in tackles?
• 1:56:36
  Speaker 5: Seven incorrect?
• 1:56:38
  Speaker 9: Six incorrect?
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 13: Five?
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 5: Who who led the Patriots and receptions for the ninety
• 1:56:47
  Speaker 5: seven season ter Ben correct?
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 9: Ben Coates is correct. Two more, who had the most
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 9: receiving yards in four?
• 1:56:58
  Speaker 5: Most receiving correct? Gibbons is correct, Branch was hurt given
• 1:57:07
  Speaker 5: I'm in three?
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 9: And finally, who had the most interceptions in two thousand?
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 5: God Tyla Antonio Langham.
• 1:57:20
  Speaker 9: I think this person is saying it's a three way
• 1:57:22
  Speaker 9: tie because his answer is the law firm Tyler and
• 1:57:26
  Speaker 9: lawyer Maloy And to Bucky Jones, t Buck, it's kind
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 9: of a trick question, a little bit that is that.
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 5: Does sound like so Mike got four because you said
• 1:57:34
  Speaker 5: Tyler I was on fire, Tyler the great ty Law
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 5: good job.
• 1:57:39
  Speaker 8: Yeah, young Branch.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 9: That was Mike's watching sweet Spot late nineties to well.
• 1:57:46
  Speaker 8: I mean to be honest, my watching sweet Spot was
• 1:57:49
  Speaker 8: definitely starting the six season. That was where I nai
• 1:57:53
  Speaker 8: missed a game once, like six six.
• 1:57:57
  Speaker 7: That's a tough time.
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 5: Usually usually they're you know, him and his ilk. They
• 1:58:01
  Speaker 5: started in week three of O one.
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 8: How would my kind know that have the knowledge to
• 1:58:06
  Speaker 8: start right then? Like, it took me like five years
• 1:58:08
  Speaker 8: to be like, I think these guys are pretty good.
• 1:58:10
  Speaker 8: I should watch every game.
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 5: That's the bit Mike.
• 1:58:12
  Speaker 7: In my defense, I like I was, you know, I
• 1:58:14
  Speaker 7: was just too young.
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 5: Yeah right, I don't. I don't blame no one. I
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 5: don't blame I don't blame you. You were young, Mike wasn't.
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 5: Mike's not that much younger than me. I was in
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 5: California having fun ten years.
• 1:58:24
  Speaker 9: Paul, all right, that's gonna be it for this edition
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 9: of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll be back tomorrow. As we turn
• 1:58:32
  Speaker 9: the page to the Buffalo Bills, what can the Patriots
• 1:58:35
  Speaker 9: do to be competitive? Up?
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 5: And uh have we come to that? What can we
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 5: do to be competitive? Yes, that's pray for rain after
• 1:58:42
  Speaker 5: he had his stone cold block of the week last
• 1:58:47
  Speaker 5: week and the Patriots win. Now he's just looking at
• 1:58:50
  Speaker 5: ways to be competitive.
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 9: I know how the mighty have you keep it under?
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 9: All right? We will see you tomorrow.
• 1:58:58
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