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Doug Marrone Show: Thursday, December 20 · The Jacksonville Jaguars Official Podcast Network

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  Speaker 1: This is the Doug Moron Show. The Doug Moron Show.
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  Speaker 1: Former Jaguar Jeff Logerman and J. P. Shadrick discussed the
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  Speaker 1: latest Jaguars news with the head coach. The Doug Moron
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  Speaker 1: Show starts right now. The Dog Moron Show presented by
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  Speaker 1: the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles. JP Shadrick,
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  Speaker 1: Jeff Flagerman. That's head coach Doug Marone. Alright, j good Man,
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  Speaker 1: good holiday season is here? Two games to go and
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  Speaker 1: you're heading down to Miami this week. You're old stopping
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  Speaker 1: grounds you were a long time ago? Well, what year
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  Speaker 1: was that? Wow? Night seven. I'm trying to think of
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  Speaker 1: the offensive lineman. I don't know if any guys the center,
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  Speaker 1: though I learned a lot. I actually UM was talking
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  Speaker 1: to the coaches about it. Um. You know back then,
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  Speaker 1: you know how doubles were, so you'd have you know, doubles.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you go two days and true to true
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  Speaker 1: to a day. So we would uh, in the morning,
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  Speaker 1: we do mostly run and then we would do a
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  Speaker 1: running after practice in the morning, and then it would
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  Speaker 1: rain in the afternoon. You come out and it was
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  Speaker 1: like a sauna and UM, in the afternoon practice, and
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  Speaker 1: we weren't out that out long, about an hour and
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  Speaker 1: a half, about hour forty five. And then you know,
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  Speaker 1: some nights we'd go back out UH in the evening
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  Speaker 1: and do a walkthrough. And I remember UH specifically because
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  Speaker 1: it was interesting because my locker was right next to
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  Speaker 1: Dwight Stevenson's and Dwight was a guy that only played
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  Speaker 1: about seven years but was still in the Hall of Fame.
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  Speaker 1: And that's how dominating of a of a player he was.
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  Speaker 1: And not only was he an unbelievable player, he was
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  Speaker 1: just a He was a great person, great dad, great husband,
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  Speaker 1: great everything. And he would go out to that walk
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  Speaker 1: through and by that time, you're so beat up, you
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  Speaker 1: know that, you know, you just kind of it was.
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  Speaker 1: It was basically a baseball cap type walk through, but
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  Speaker 1: he would come in sort of walked to and he
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  Speaker 1: would be drenched in sweat. And I'll never forget he
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  Speaker 1: was sitting next to me in the locker room one
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  Speaker 1: day and I asked him, I said, what what are
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  Speaker 1: you What are you doing? And you're talking about the
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  Speaker 1: best player you know on that line it was there
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  Speaker 1: was a lot of good players on that line. And
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  Speaker 1: he said, you know he has dug every time I
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  Speaker 1: go out on that field, I picked one or two
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  Speaker 1: things that I'm gonna work on. So every time I
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  Speaker 1: walk off that field, I felt like I get better.
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  Speaker 1: And it was such an it was something that resonated
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  Speaker 1: with me that in my coaching you know term, I've
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  Speaker 1: always told that the players, you know, it's it's and
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  Speaker 1: I think that's what That's one of the differences of
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  Speaker 1: what makes you know, a Hall of Fame player, a
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  Speaker 1: great football players that they're constantly working at their craft
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  Speaker 1: and every time they walk off that field, there's something
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  Speaker 1: within him that wants to make sure you know what
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  Speaker 1: I've I've gotten better. What college did he go to? Alabama?
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  Speaker 1: It's a great it's a great story. They the starting
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  Speaker 1: center of Alabama was an All SEC player. I believe.
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  Speaker 1: I believe this is a story. Um, I'm not sure.
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  Speaker 1: And then Bear Bryant came in and said, look, we're
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  Speaker 1: gonna move you to defense because we have a kid
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  Speaker 1: coming in from Virginia Beach that's going to be a
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  Speaker 1: starting center next year. And that was that was Dwight Stevenson.
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  Speaker 1: And the player that moved from centator to defense became
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  Speaker 1: an All SEC player at defense and and Dwight was
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  Speaker 1: obviously an outstanding player. Yeah, the the roster. I was
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  Speaker 1: looking at the roster of the nineteen eighties seven Miami
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  Speaker 1: Dolphins earlier day, John Offord all great player. I played
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  Speaker 1: with him in the East West Shrine game. Hardhead, total hardhead,
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  Speaker 1: great guy too. And uh in the secondary, you had
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  Speaker 1: Paul Langford. And the link to the Jaguars is that
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  Speaker 1: in nineteen nine Paul Lankford was the director of player
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  Speaker 1: of programs here. I did not know that. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: I know that. And Marino was the quarterback and I
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  Speaker 1: can I can tell you this he was. He was awesome.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, just a great guy to be around. It
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  Speaker 1: was great leadership and he took care of everyone on
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  Speaker 1: the team. And I can't say enough good things about Dan.
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  Speaker 1: And you had one of the more well known equipment
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  Speaker 1: guys in the National Football League at that time, Bobby Monica. Legend, Yes,
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  Speaker 1: the legend of Bobby Monica. You know more Storry. It's interesting.
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  Speaker 1: Once so Bobby was in Cleveland, and I forget who
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  Speaker 1: I was with. I don't know if I was with
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  Speaker 1: the Jets or New Orleans, but we were going I
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  Speaker 1: think I was with New Orleans. So we're going up
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  Speaker 1: to Cleveland, and um, Bobby knows I'm coming up there,
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  Speaker 1: so he had and he knows I'm from the Bronx,
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  Speaker 1: so he had like the you know, he had the
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  Speaker 1: espresso for me from the espresso machine, he had the
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  Speaker 1: Cannoli's waiting for me, and uh. But he did a
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  Speaker 1: good job of taking care of, you know, obviously all
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  Speaker 1: the players. That's the work ethic this week for your
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  Speaker 1: football team. It's been it's been good. I think we
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  Speaker 1: you know, we've practiced well, We've practiced fast, and that's
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  Speaker 1: how I look at and judging the practice. You know,
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  Speaker 1: you don't have to repeat many plays. You're you're out there,
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  Speaker 1: you're working fast, You're you're you're going through it. Not
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  Speaker 1: a not a lot of assignment errors and things of
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  Speaker 1: that nature. So um, you know that's a good sign.
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  Speaker 1: But it's still the same thing. You still got to
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  Speaker 1: go out there on Sunday and perform, how whether not
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  Speaker 1: exactly the best today inside today, right, we're inside. Yes,
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  Speaker 1: How nice is it to have that facility on a
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  Speaker 1: day like today? Yeah, I mean, I mean it's an
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  Speaker 1: unbelievable facility. I think that you know, I don't know
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  Speaker 1: if most people have taken advantage to go and see
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  Speaker 1: it or tour tour the facility, but you know, it's
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  Speaker 1: really it's outstanding. I mean from from a standpoint for
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  Speaker 1: you know, even offseason workouts we use it to run
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  Speaker 1: in and then obviously during the year, you know, with
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  Speaker 1: the weather, you know, you can always go in there
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  Speaker 1: and you can get out of the heat or put
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  Speaker 1: yourself in there, and there's so many different things you
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  Speaker 1: can do from you know, you can open up the
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  Speaker 1: doors and have wind coming through and just staying out
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  Speaker 1: of the sun. If you want to work in the heat, um,
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  Speaker 1: you could close the doors, put the air conditioning on.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it's really an unbelievable facility, really is. And
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  Speaker 1: um for your football team this week heading down to Miami.
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  Speaker 1: We'll we'll get into the Dolphins a little bit as
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  Speaker 1: we go on here, but it's a Dolphins team. It's
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  Speaker 1: seven in seven right at five hundred. They want a
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  Speaker 1: couple of weeks ago, the miracle play against New England
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  Speaker 1: and then lost last week, got blown out in that game,
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  Speaker 1: but they're still in it. They're still on the hunting
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  Speaker 1: this Dolphins team. What what stands out when you think
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  Speaker 1: of the Dolphins this year, what's the number one thing
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  Speaker 1: you look at. I'll tell you what stands out is
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  Speaker 1: how well they played at home. I think that's the
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  Speaker 1: first thing I think they're you know, they're six and
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  Speaker 1: one at home, so they play extremely well at home.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the other thing, you know that stands
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  Speaker 1: out from a defensive standpoint is defensively, you know, the
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  Speaker 1: amount of turnovers, you know that they've been able to create,
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  Speaker 1: you know, twenty interceptions with the secondary and think that
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  Speaker 1: nature and they're in the plus you know category and
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  Speaker 1: internal ratio. And then offensively, you know, I think, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they have really good skill players. But you know,
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  Speaker 1: Frank Gore, I can't say enough about the way he's
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  Speaker 1: been playing. I know he's out for our game, but
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  Speaker 1: you know, he's really been playing like a premier back
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  Speaker 1: this this year. Hundred and twenty six consecutive starts for
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  Speaker 1: running back and that's a running back that had a
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  Speaker 1: knee issue prior to starting a consecutive games. I mean,
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  Speaker 1: that's unheard of. And the only running back to the
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  Speaker 1: National Football League ahead of them the all time rushing
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  Speaker 1: list Emmett Smith, Walter Payton, Barry Sanders, I mean pretty good,
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  Speaker 1: pretty pretty good company. Yeah, unbelievable and from every one
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  Speaker 1: of their jerseys to sign. Yeah, I think I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: have to get frank Stein too, but I won't do
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  Speaker 1: it after the game. But the FID after the game,
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  Speaker 1: most of the stuff that goes on, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: know if if he wasn't having arguably his best year
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  Speaker 1: since he left San Francisco, he looked good. I mean
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  Speaker 1: he really did. He was running well, he's breaking tackles,
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  Speaker 1: really hitting the whole well. Uh, really challenging to defend,
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  Speaker 1: you know, with the with their offense, because they do
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  Speaker 1: have some really good players that on the outside skill wise,
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  Speaker 1: So you know, he was really playing at a very
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  Speaker 1: high level. Four point six yards of Kerry for a guy,
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  Speaker 1: what how does he now? Fourteen year in the league, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I mean SOT six is that right? I mean up there.
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  Speaker 1: I mean when you talk about the backs in the
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  Speaker 1: National Football League that have had those kind of years
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  Speaker 1: at the age of thirty six, it's not many. Marcus Allen,
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  Speaker 1: John Riggins, Well, I always go back to my days
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  Speaker 1: with the Jets, and you know, I was with a
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  Speaker 1: Hall of Famer and really fortunate to be with him.
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  Speaker 1: Curtis Martin was then. I don't know how old he was,
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  Speaker 1: but he was the oldest running back um to win
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  Speaker 1: the rushing title that year. JP's gonna go ahead, go
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  Speaker 1: ah ahead, look it up, go ahead, go ahead, as
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  Speaker 1: you're looking at right. Of course, Martin is fifth in
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  Speaker 1: the all time list, right behind Frank core An all
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  Speaker 1: time rushing but he won the he's the oldest to
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  Speaker 1: win the rushing title. He beat He beat out Alexander four, right.
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  Speaker 1: He was thirty one years old at the time when
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  Speaker 1: it was his last year. Oh five was his last year.
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  Speaker 1: About that, that's an amazing career. You know, you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: this is kind of really off topic. Actually, you mentioned
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  Speaker 1: the jerseys. You have the jerseys of the top three rushers,
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  Speaker 1: and you'd like to get Frank four's. And then you said,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about on the field after the game,
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  Speaker 1: all these players trade jerseys. Now, I don't get a
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  Speaker 1: feeling you aren't a jersey trading player. When you were
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  Speaker 1: out there. That wasn't well, that wasn't a thing. And
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  Speaker 1: I don't I don't really know what's going on. It's
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  Speaker 1: you know, I don't I don't really I can't even
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  Speaker 1: comment on it. I just I find a hard time,
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  Speaker 1: you know, after game, with all the emotion and everything,
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  Speaker 1: it's hard for me to go and shake hands afterwards,
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  Speaker 1: to be honest with you, I mean, you know, you compete,
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  Speaker 1: and you're trying to win, and you know you're When
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  Speaker 1: you win, it's great, you walk over there, hey, good luck,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and you're gone. And when you lose, you're like,
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  Speaker 1: I gotta go over there and shake somebody's hand. I'm
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  Speaker 1: so pissed right now, you know. So it's and you
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  Speaker 1: gotta remember. So most of the guys that are trading
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  Speaker 1: jersey are skill position guys. Okay, so if you can
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  Speaker 1: think about this for a minute, Okay, skill position guys
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  Speaker 1: have a physique that if they don't have their jersey on,
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  Speaker 1: because you know most of the guys who don't wear
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  Speaker 1: big shirts underneath, they can walk off the field and
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  Speaker 1: kind of look okay, okay, the big offensive lineman. First
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  Speaker 1: of all, to get the jersey off, you practically need
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  Speaker 1: a pair of scissors after the game because they're so
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  Speaker 1: tight and custom fit, custom made for the offensive lineman.
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  Speaker 1: And number two is that the offensive lineman now has
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  Speaker 1: to walk to the locker room with no shirt all.
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  Speaker 1: You know what's funny. It's like I have a couple
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  Speaker 1: of jerseys and like Jeff was saying, there their custom made.
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  Speaker 1: I can't even put them on. And I don't even
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  Speaker 1: have pets. You know what I'm saying that that that's
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  Speaker 1: how that's how tight they are. It's it's ridiculous. And
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  Speaker 1: you know, sometimes I'll throw on like my you know,
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  Speaker 1: to cut off high school jersey and stuff and walk
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  Speaker 1: around the house and I get abused, kids, wives, everybody,
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  Speaker 1: you know. With my you know, I felt physique. I
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  Speaker 1: guess heckled in your own home. I get crushed. It's
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  Speaker 1: amazing though that when I think when I first came
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  Speaker 1: in League eight nine, the jerseys had had like whole
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  Speaker 1: on the side where you would you would put a
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  Speaker 1: string in there to to take up all the slats
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  Speaker 1: tighten it up. Well, then it evolved too. By the
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  Speaker 1: time I came here and Bobby Monica was a guy
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  Speaker 1: here in early years, we had a full time seamstress
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  Speaker 1: Taylor on staff that if you literally, if you had
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  Speaker 1: a fold in the jersey right here in my chest,
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  Speaker 1: take it up. They would take they would cut that
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  Speaker 1: out and then redo the scene to where there was nothing,
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  Speaker 1: nothing that anybody could grab on your jersey. I remember day,
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  Speaker 1: even before the rules, I mean, where they had it.
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  Speaker 1: We would we would get those jerseys tight as we can,
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  Speaker 1: and then we spray a little w D forty on them,
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  Speaker 1: you know which now they packed down players and were silicone. Yep, silicone.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you would do all those things and um,
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  Speaker 1: it was just it was it was a crazy I mean,
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  Speaker 1: and it was tight and we used to laugh, like
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  Speaker 1: we would wait to see certain guys put the pads
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  Speaker 1: on because it washilarious. And you know, then we had
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  Speaker 1: gotten into the double tape, you know, in double tape
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  Speaker 1: with the big thing, and then we used to have
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  Speaker 1: to give the equipment. Guys you could either do it yourself,
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  Speaker 1: you know in double tape for pads, which some guys
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  Speaker 1: you don't really like to do. And then we'd cut
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  Speaker 1: in the back and the flap. They've changed us now,
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  Speaker 1: but in a flap used to cut out cardboard and
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  Speaker 1: put the cardboard there so you didn't have that wing
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  Speaker 1: of the shoulder pad if you're an offensive lineman for
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  Speaker 1: the swim move, you know, so we we wind up
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  Speaker 1: taping that and then um, then when it happened is
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  Speaker 1: if you wanted the equipment guy to tape your jersey,
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  Speaker 1: you have to tip them twenty dollars to forty dollars
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  Speaker 1: a game. You know what I'm saying. Nowadays, the players
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  Speaker 1: that jersey's the tape going in and they don't even
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  Speaker 1: have to tip the equipment manager anymore. So I tell
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  Speaker 1: them all the time how fortunate they are. And the
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  Speaker 1: double the double side of tape, so you stick it
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  Speaker 1: to the shoulder pads and then the jersey sticks to
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  Speaker 1: that so nothing is loose. And now the tape is
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  Speaker 1: actually custom made. I mean the tape they're like they
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  Speaker 1: peel it off that they're made for a shoulder pad
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  Speaker 1: and and made for a chest area, so they're all accustomed.
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  Speaker 1: I mean they have to have to get the right technique.
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  Speaker 1: You have to take the jersey inside out, place it
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  Speaker 1: on it, you know, from an insid out standpoint, and
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  Speaker 1: then roll it over. So I mean, it's it's it's
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  Speaker 1: a pretty unbelievable process. Back in the day, JP, it
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  Speaker 1: was it was get the jersey as tight as you
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  Speaker 1: possibly can, and then vasoline in the armpit so that
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  Speaker 1: if a player wanted to grab you anywhere in the armpits,
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  Speaker 1: Vasolene in the back of the shoulder pad, and then
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  Speaker 1: Silicon all over the jersey, and then Leak stepped in
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  Speaker 1: and just took all the fun out. Yeah exactly. Hey,
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  Speaker 1: in jeopardy. You know what I'm saying. For injury risk
• 16:38
  Speaker 1: and the same thing, and that's that's probably the toughest
• 16:41
  Speaker 1: phase what I call phase one, you know, same because
• 16:44
  Speaker 1: it puts a lot of accountability on the players, you know,
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: during the season when those players are injured. I guess
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: the best way to say is I try I try
• 16:51
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• 16:53
  Speaker 1: My son comes to home me as bumps and bruises,
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: you know, and trying to know the difference between injury,
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: what to play through, what to not give them as
• 16:59
  Speaker 1: much information as possible, you know what I'm saying, And
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: then just see where that decision process comes a lot
• 17:04
  Speaker 1: of time in this day and as it's not just
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: you know, between the coach and the player, obviously the
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• 17:10
  Speaker 1: have a lot of other people that are involved with
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: the just head coach Doug Marone earlier this week, The
• 17:15
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  Speaker 1: head coach. That's from earlier this week. In the conversation
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  Speaker 1: this week around Jalen Rams and going to the Pro Bowl,
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: I think somebody asked you in the press conference the
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: other day, would you consider telling him to not play
• 17:29
  Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl considering what he's been playing through
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: this year. You're way ahead of course of all that.
• 17:34
  Speaker 1: That's that's down the road a good ways. And he
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: comes out this week and he wants to play, and
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: he's been battling through some niece that he's been on
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: the reports some off and on, and a couple of
• 17:44
  Speaker 1: question marks some weeks ago whether he would play or not.
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: But he wants to go play. And that's the balance,
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: right of of playing through something and then knowing when
• 17:52
  Speaker 1: not to play through something. Well, I've I've been through
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: a lot of situations with a lot of guys that
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: have obviously made the Pro Bowl where you know, obviously
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: in Buffalo we had a couple of players too, and
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: you know, one of the things is that you know,
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: for him, he's playing each week and you know he's
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: gonna have time off to rest. So it's not like
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: it's surgery is needed or anything of that nature. Now,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: I've had players before where they needed and Jeff knows this.
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: A lot of players after the season, they'll just have
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: clean up type surgery, you know, to take some loose
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: chips out or whatever it may be. And you know,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: those players, I would say, listen, you know you you
• 18:26
  Speaker 1: know you have the surgery. It's gonna push you back
• 18:28
  Speaker 1: where you're not going to be available for when we
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: first report. You know, I like you to really consider
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: thinking about that. But I've never won that battle personally.
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, most of the players, you know, when they
• 18:40
  Speaker 1: voted in, they feel like they need to go out
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: there and play. All those minor surgeries, you know, there's
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: that that term the minor surgeries are always the minor
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: surgeries on somebody else. That's right, Yeah, it's yeah, that's right.
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: But that's that is typical. I mean, players go at
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: the end of the season, they go get tuned up.
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: It's like taking the car to the up like, Okay,
• 19:01
  Speaker 1: I need to get the tires rotated and balanced and
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: change your oil and plugs at the same time. Let's go.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: But like what Jeff says, that I've found out that
• 19:09
  Speaker 1: you know, I've coached a lot of players that played
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: ten plus years, and I think one of the things
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: that they've always done a good job of is after
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: the season if there was anything, like Jeff said, where
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: you know they had you know, they had chips or
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: this or that. They you know, they always you know,
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: would go and and get that stuff done and take
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: it out and then immediately they were they were back
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: training again, not at a high level, but just to
• 19:31
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• 19:34
  Speaker 1: when I was with the Jets, and the season ends
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: and you go in you're doing evaluations and then the
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: very next day, you know, Curtis Martin's and there Kevin
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Mawis and there guys that have played for a long
• 19:43
  Speaker 1: period of time. And I remember this was my first
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: year coach, and I remember talking to those guys, what
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: do you guys doing and they're like, oh no, we're
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: just trying to get the blood go, trying to you know,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: get everything going, trying to get our bodies healed so
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: you know, we can get ourselves ready for next year.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: And I started the week after the season, and I
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: think when I look at those two players, again, they
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: were they were both obviously gifted athletically, but they really
• 20:07
  Speaker 1: put a lot of time in and taking care of
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: that body better than most players I've I've been around.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: And you hope, you hope was a player that you're
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: one of the fortunate ones. I played with a guy
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: and you probably remember this name, Doug Kyle Clifton was
• 20:19
  Speaker 1: a linebacker TCU and when I came in the league,
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: he was I think going to year eight or nine
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: or something, and and he ended up playing ten eleven,
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: twelve years, had one surgery in his entire career and
• 20:30
  Speaker 1: it was just a neat clean up in the season.
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: That was it. And there I was ten years in
• 20:34
  Speaker 1: the league and I think there was three seasons that
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: I didn't have a surgery after a season. You know.
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: I mean, there's some guys that are very fortunate and
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: some guys that art and It's just the way it is.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Because I remember I stought that Kevin Kevin Maui and
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: I obviously were friends, and Kevin would say, well, I
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: had forty surgery that I'm like, wait a minute, now,
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: you know, do you really count? But I think you do.
• 20:54
  Speaker 1: I mean, you know, like like Jeff was saying, and
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: you know, it's it's it's uh, you know, when they're
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: gonna cut cut you open to either take you know,
• 21:02
  Speaker 1: bone chips out or you know, kind of cleaner meniscus
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: or or scrape a um um, you know whatever. It
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: may be a bone spur, spurs or all you get
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: a lot of spurs and things of that nature. It's um,
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: you know, that stuff just starts. You know, it takes
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: a toll on your body. And some guys And that's
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: why I always say with in the NFL, you know,
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: some guys could potentially player, and some guys bodies aren't
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: made to play in this league. And to go back
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: to what you were talking about, JP about you because
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: it kind of gives the impression that Jalen is toughen
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: it out. What you know, all players in the league
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: are like that. I mean, so I don't want I
• 21:38
  Speaker 1: don't want anybody to think that Jalen Ramsey is special
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: and unique and that he's doing that somebody else is
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: not doing. I mean, there's players all around the National
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: Football League that are at the point that he's at
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: and are toughen it out because that's their job. You
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: play the game and then at the end of the season,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: then you worry about everything else. How are those conversations
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: with your son, Doug that you mentioned in the sound
• 21:57
  Speaker 1: bite there, Yeah, I mean I think I think for
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: me it to be fair because again, you know, you
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: want to take away I've always approached it as you
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: want to take away the business approach. So the agenda
• 22:08
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• 22:11
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• 22:13
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• 22:16
  Speaker 1: And and I have a good understanding of that. But
• 22:19
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• 22:22
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• 22:29
  Speaker 1: I don't want to be different in that. I you know,
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: if I was going to tell my son one thing,
• 22:34
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• 22:36
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• 22:39
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• 22:43
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• 22:45
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• 22:49
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• 22:52
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• 22:54
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• 22:55
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• 22:57
  Speaker 1: made a lot of decisions and you're gonna have to
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: live with them. And I never wanted to be that person.
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: The toughest situation I ever been through was we had
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: a player at Syracuse University who was an extremely bright student.
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  Speaker 1: I'm talking about he wanted to be a doctor, and
• 23:13
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• 23:27
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• 23:31
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• 23:32
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• 23:36
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• 23:59
  Speaker 1: But so for me, I've always tried to talk to
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• 24:08
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  Speaker 1: They kind of kept their hopes alive. They um they
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  Speaker 1: seven and seven with that play, I think there's probably
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  Speaker 1: outside leverage, keeping everyone in bounce. I think from that standpoint,
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  Speaker 1: you you look at it that way. These are things
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  Speaker 1: When is it we call it, you know, a Desperado
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  Speaker 1: the guy's other guys kind of almost like in a
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  Speaker 1: not totally worry about the pitch. We react to crazy
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  Speaker 1: play a couple of weeks ago. Your football team heading
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  Speaker 1: your coach, how do you jump start this group here? Well, again,
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  Speaker 1: you know it's it's it can help me. It goes
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  Speaker 1: back to explosive plays. I mean, when you look at
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  Speaker 1: our year and we haven't had gotten you know, we
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  Speaker 1: we've been able to score points and and and are
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: are are explosive plays if you match them. If it's
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: eight even that point total for what the average in
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: the NFL is a little bit down. And then you know,
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  Speaker 1: obviously when we don't have the same amount of explosive
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  Speaker 1: we need to you know, create exposed to place, whether
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  Speaker 1: we need to do that. We need to you know,
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  Speaker 1: have some type of consistency, you know, where we're not
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  Speaker 1: hurting ourselves. We're in a position where we really can't
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  Speaker 1: we have to make sure that we secure the football
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  Speaker 1: in Miami that people you know may not see is
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  Speaker 1: that you know, when they've won the field position battle
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• 30:34
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• 30:37
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  Speaker 1: first half hour each and every weekend sightful as always
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  Speaker 1: head coach. This week with the injury taught. That's an
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  Speaker 1: interesting concept for a head coach because part of you,
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  Speaker 1: you know, you want your guy on the football field,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: but at the end of the day, you you want
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  Speaker 1: your guy to be healthy and right to you know, well,
• 33:33
  Speaker 1: I think at the end of the day, the best
• 33:36
  Speaker 1: interest of the player for the most part, is the
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: same best interest for the team. And I think the
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: coaches that understand that are the ones that I think
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: do there the team a great service and do the
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: player of great service, because I mean at the end
• 33:51
  Speaker 1: of the day, A lot of coaches, going back into
• 33:55
  Speaker 1: what that called the old school ways, they thought, you know,
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: the short term vision. Short term vision. Well, if if
• 34:03
  Speaker 1: you lose a player for a week to get a performance,
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: and I'll draw this comparison, Let's say the player continues
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: to play through an injury and toss it out and
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: grits it out, all that kind of stuff, and its
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: performance on a scale of one to a hundred, because
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: I don't think anybody's out of zero one to a hundred.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: Let's say the player with the injury is let's say
• 34:26
  Speaker 1: a sixty. Okay, Well, if that player were to get
• 34:31
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• 34:36
  Speaker 1: and then the player gets back to where his performance,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: let's say, is that a seventy five for those games?
• 34:44
  Speaker 1: What's better, you know, that performance for a week or
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: two and having them versus a seventy five. And so
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: I think coaches have started to see that. I think
• 34:56
  Speaker 1: going back into some of the old days, they would
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: they would want to take the player of the They
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: trusted that they knew the starter, even if he's playing
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: a little gimpie, Whereas nowadays I think coaches are understanding
• 35:07
  Speaker 1: that you need to have the player healthy to get
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: the best performance long term with with the players. So
• 35:11
  Speaker 1: but it is a delicate balance that a coach has
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: to do. And and here's the reality, it's not the
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: coach that's making the ultimate determination. Sometimes it it is
• 35:23
  Speaker 1: a it is a conversation between player and coach, but
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: the player has to make the ultimate call. But the
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: doctor is the one too that if he says no,
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: it's not like the player and the coach are going
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: to overrule the doctor. The doctor. The doctor a lot
• 35:39
  Speaker 1: of times will say, hey, there is no risk of
• 35:42
  Speaker 1: further injury if you continue to play with this. It's
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: up to you whether you play or not. Then it
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: becomes the player's decision talking with the coach, etcetera. But
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: the doctor holds the trump card, the one when he
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: says no play, there is no play the interesting stuff
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: and there's things you gotta play with JP. That's why
• 36:02
  Speaker 1: I wanted to kind of make that point with what
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey is that you know, there's a lot of
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: guys that are playing with stuff. Is Jeremy Parnell did
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: it for most of the season. He's through I mean,
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: everybody everybody on that line. Everybody on the field is
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: playing with something. There's there's not one player in the
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: National Football League that's going you know what, Man, feel great.
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: I can't wait for the season, and I'm gonna go
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: hike Mount Everest and you know, and jog ten miles
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: and you know, do the triathlon down in Hawaii. Yeah,
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: I feel great. It doesn't happen, doesn't work. And then
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: the younger you are, the less time it takes to
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: get back to feeling good, and the older you get,
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: the more time that it takes. And obviously surgeries are
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: always a part of it. I would say on average,
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: with a with a with a professional football team, I'm
• 36:50
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• 37:14
  Speaker 1: it's Miami. I'm not a South Beach guy. Had you
• 37:17
  Speaker 1: pegged four am South Beach guy fist pumping in the dance,
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: I know that I kind of give off the impression
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• 37:29
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  Speaker 1: But I'm looking forward to seeing the stadium. We haven't
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  Speaker 1: seen the stadium since all the renovations that they have
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: undergone down there, with the canopies over the top of
• 37:43
  Speaker 1: the stadium, the upgraded club stuff, the new seating and
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: uh and all that kind of stuff, which Steven Ross,
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: the owner of the Miami Dolphins, supposedly kicked in like
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: five million dollars for some of these upgrades and haven't
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: been there yet for looks great on television. I'll say that, yeah,
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: it looks great, and I know that. And one of
• 38:01
  Speaker 1: the reasons why I'm looking forward to seeing that this
• 38:04
  Speaker 1: kind of sun canopy concept is because I know that
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: that's been talked about is maybe a possibility here at
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: some point. So I want to see how it looks,
• 38:12
  Speaker 1: see how it feels. And you know, I'm not saying
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: that if it's gonna be would be the same here,
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: but I know that's what you know, when you talk
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: about people about game day experience, that's typically one of
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the things that they point to. But and the amazing
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: thing is that with the canopy closures that they have there.
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: They're talking about and I wrote this down that about
• 38:30
  Speaker 1: the fans are in shape for the game. That's incredible,
• 38:36
  Speaker 1: and so I want to see that. I want to
• 38:37
  Speaker 1: I want to see how those things work, how they're designed,
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: how it looks. I'm looking forward to that. We'll come
• 38:43
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• 38:46
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• 38:51
  Speaker 1: It won't be a South Beach. I'm shocked by that.
• 38:54
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• 41:49
  Speaker 1: and every week. Jaguars Defense. You know a lot of
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: younger fellows are getting some planned time these days. Nick
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: de Luca was out there. Leon Jacob's done for the year,
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: so DeLuca had some time last week, had a sack.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: Davin Bryant is getting some time, of course, in a
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: starting role now, and that could be the future of
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: the defensive line there for this And and by the way,
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: he's playing still a lot at both positions. He's moving around,
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: he's still he's getting reps at the three technique, but
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: he's also still playing that strong side in and and
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: I thought he did a pretty good job last week.
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: He had one play where he got out of a
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: gap that led to an Adrian Peterson successful run. That
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: was on him. Uh, but you know he's he's doing
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: a solid job, and you know, you want to see
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: more kind of out of that pass rush production. But
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: you know, I think back to the John Henderson Marcus
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Stroud days when you're talking about too high picked defensive
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: lineman that came in. When Marcus Stroud came in as
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  Speaker 1: a rookie, he was very disappointing as a rookie, was
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: very disappointing. And I just remember looking at Marcus going,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if he's ever gonna be that good.
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: He's I mean, I don't know if that was a
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  Speaker 1: good pick or not, and then you obviously developed into
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  Speaker 1: I mean a great player, great player. John Henderson kind
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: of the same way, not quite as as drastic as
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Marcus was. So I have patients with defensive lineman a
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  Speaker 1: little bit, and I have patients with wide receivers quite
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: a bit, because I've learned that over the years that
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: that does take time. That's why I've got some patience
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: with Tavin Bryant. I've got some patience with DJ Chart.
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: Running backs. I think you either have it or you don't.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: I think most running backs coming to the league and
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: either are good or they are not good. And so
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: that's why I don't probably have as much much patience
• 43:38
  Speaker 1: with Leonard Fournett, and my expectations are higher. But the
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: one thing that I do through out there with Leonard
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: Fournett is is the injury situation. Well, you know, is
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: that the case or or not, I don't know, but
• 43:53
  Speaker 1: he's clearly not effective. So I didn't mean to kind
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: of redirect that back to Leonard Fournett, but I mean
• 43:59
  Speaker 1: just got in the conversation of young players, and defensively,
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: some of the young players I'm enjoying watching. I mean,
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Quentin Meeks, I think had an opportunity to do something
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: on special Teams there when that when that punt was muffed,
• 44:12
  Speaker 1: And I thought that was a really teachable moment for
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: Quentin Meeks, remember when the punt was mopped and he
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: had an opportunity there and his first thought was and
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: Joe even said, look, you're kind of hard on him
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: when I when I made mention on the radio broadcast
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: about criticizing Meeks and that he could have done more.
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: My more in my head there was when there is
• 44:34
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• 44:36
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• 44:42
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• 44:58
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  Speaker 1: the ball, and don't kind of be gentle around the
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  Speaker 1: return er because the returner, once he muffed it, you
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  Speaker 1: can crush him. You could come off the top rope
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: with the you know, with the the Jimmy snook A
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  Speaker 1: super fly and wear him out, do whatever you want
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: to him. So, uh, Lyndon Johnson got eight reps in
• 45:20
  Speaker 1: the game. He was a defensive lineman that we watched
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: a lot in training camp. He he looks the part. Gosh,
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: he looks like Tarzan heightweight six five, probably too ninety,
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: can play strong side in play three technique And the
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: one I remember about him in the preseason, because that's
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  Speaker 1: the only thing that we really can gauge based on
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: the only other thing we're looking at his eight plays
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: in his pass games is that he had a hard
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: time getting off the blocks being instinctual. Kind of the
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: same thing with Tavin Bryan this year, and so you
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: wonder is that just part of the growth maturation process
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: as and being comfortable in the scheme. So there's another
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: guy that I'm looking forward to seeing more from as well.
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: And I'm a big fan of of Jared Wilson. I
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: can't wait to see him play again this week, and
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: I'm glad to see that he missed practiced yesterday for
• 46:13
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• 46:15
  Speaker 1: after he limped off the field a little bit on Sunday.
• 46:18
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• 46:21
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• 46:23
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• 46:41
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  Speaker 1: out the running back situation for this Jaguars football team. Okay,
• 50:29
  Speaker 1: let's start with this week. Who's up, who's down, who's active? Inactive?
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  Speaker 1: And where do you who do you start? How long
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  Speaker 1: do they play? For me? I would probably not, probably
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  Speaker 1: anything you have to do, and we have to have
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  Speaker 1: one of them inactive. I'm assuming that you don't have to.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, you can inactivate whoever else you want. I
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  Speaker 1: in charge of the running back room. That's it. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: you're not giving me the ability. And I think with
• 51:04
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• 51:09
  Speaker 1: would be Carlos Hide, okay. And the reason I say
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  Speaker 1: that is Leonard Fournette has given me the best glimpses
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  Speaker 1: so far this year, going back to the Buffalo game,
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  Speaker 1: and t J. Yelden is my best receiving option out
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  Speaker 1: of the backfield. He has been very consistent. And David
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  Speaker 1: Williams has intrigued me from his performance last week where
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  Speaker 1: he had thirty two yards rushing a little over six
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  Speaker 1: yards per carry. So I'm gonna go into this game
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  Speaker 1: with the exact same look that I did last week.
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  Speaker 1: For Net is gonna be my my bell cow, so
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  Speaker 1: to speak, and then David Williams is gonna be my
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  Speaker 1: next guy up in regular situations. When I say regular situations,
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  Speaker 1: first down back and subsituations where we go to three
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  Speaker 1: wide receivers, I'm gonna leave some of Leonard four Nett
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  Speaker 1: in there, I'm gonna leave some of t J in there,
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  Speaker 1: and I'm gonna leave something for David Williams. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: get all three of them reps. But I but I
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  Speaker 1: think it's a and in the first let's say ten
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  Speaker 1: carriers in the ball game, then then I'm gonna adjust.
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  Speaker 1: See how it's going. Yeah, see how it's going if
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  Speaker 1: Leonard four Nette is aggressive and hitting the whole and
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  Speaker 1: is doing a good job and protection because that's a
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  Speaker 1: big part of the running back. Now, Okay, protection is
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  Speaker 1: a big part. If you can't protect, you can't play.
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  Speaker 1: And four net has been just okay to not okay
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  Speaker 1: in his past protection. So let me see where everything's
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  Speaker 1: at after the the end of the first quarter, so
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  Speaker 1: to speak, which is gonna be about fifteen plays in
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  Speaker 1: ballpark somewhere in that range. I don't think it's gonna
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  Speaker 1: be a whole lot more than that. I'm not expecting
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  Speaker 1: a whole lot more plays than fifteen because the offense
• 53:06
  Speaker 1: has been struggling. And I'm not trying to be funny there,
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  Speaker 1: but how many plays did the offense have in last
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  Speaker 1: week's game? It didn't have any, didn't have a lot.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta put first down together to get more plays offensively.
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  Speaker 1: But that's what I do. Okay, would you do? Well?
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  Speaker 1: I mean, Leonard's your guy, and you want him to
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  Speaker 1: look like he's your he's your's drafted him to be
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  Speaker 1: your guys. Right now, he's not showing you that he
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  Speaker 1: is the guy. Well, he showed glimpses of it before
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  Speaker 1: the suspension that Buffalo game. You want that, Leonard for
• 53:36
  Speaker 1: net that's what you want. How many times that this year?
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  Speaker 1: Only a few times. We haven't seen a lot a
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  Speaker 1: few times. Name me the other time we saw that
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  Speaker 1: the week before that too, Pittsburgh game. He ran pretty well. Okay,
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: that's a couple, there's two. I'm just that's not being
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  Speaker 1: with being honest. I'm not asking. I'm not trying to
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: be facetious. It's not enough, mind you. But we have
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: seen that before. Now did everything that happened in the
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: running back room last week during that game? Will that
• 54:04
  Speaker 1: motivate Leonard to come out and play a little differently?
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: I hope? So maybe he comes back with a little
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: fire and wants to prove that hey, I don't need
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: to be sitting on the sideline in the fourth quarter.
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  Speaker 1: We gotta go see it. So he's still the guy.
• 54:18
  Speaker 1: And then you're right intriguing about Williams young guy. You
• 54:21
  Speaker 1: want to see what he has and Yeldon's probably out
• 54:24
  Speaker 1: of here in free agency anyway. You know at the
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: end of the year, maybe maybe you know, but who
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: knows what that does? That play a part in your
• 54:31
  Speaker 1: game day decision. Well, he hasn't touched the ball a
• 54:33
  Speaker 1: lot lately, has he. I'm just asking I'm not I'm
• 54:37
  Speaker 1: not asking you to dip into the minds of what
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: is going on right now. I'm asking you to make
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: a call. Yeldon is your best guy in the passing game.
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: I think he's best pass protection guy. Um Leonard is
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: still the guy that can break it if he really
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  Speaker 1: is running well. Take one of the house and Williams
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: is so far at least six carries in a guy
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  Speaker 1: that you kind of like. And what are you seeing
• 55:00
  Speaker 1: on Carlos Hide. I've seen a guy that was inactive
• 55:03
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• 55:06
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  Speaker 1: I think he's a back that has been just okay
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  Speaker 1: to blow average. But the one thing I will say
• 55:15
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• 55:18
  Speaker 1: aggressiveness and hitting the whole. But the productivity hasn't been there. Yea.
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  Speaker 1: So he's had his chances to be productive and then
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: he wasn't for a couple of games in a row.
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  Speaker 1: So disappointing thing that he is inactive if he is again,
• 55:30
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