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8-20-26 Hour 3 - Jeff Legwold/Nuggets trade Watson for draft picks/Mendoza is a dork, a special Fact Checker · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 3: does every Thursday. First of all, Hello, Legy, how are
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  Speaker 3: you doing this morning?
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  Speaker 4: Good morning fellas.
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  Speaker 3: So we haven't talked to you since the first preseason game.
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  Speaker 3: Just curious. Am I allowed to have the takeaway of
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  Speaker 3: the tempo and rhythm of the offense under Davis? Web
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  Speaker 3: looked pretty good in that first game. Am I allowed
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  Speaker 3: to say that? Or or should I say? This is
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  Speaker 3: preseason and it doesn't matter.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you live in freedom, so you can say whatever
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  Speaker 4: you want.
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  Speaker 1: Blakewald say no.
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  Speaker 4: I think they've made at a point.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, even even practice is there's been a concerted
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  Speaker 5: effort to keep the tempo at a certain level and
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  Speaker 5: not let it get bogged down, you know, other than
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  Speaker 5: the usual instructional you know pauses they have sometimes, but
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  Speaker 5: they they've really tried to get the the operation and
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  Speaker 5: the mechanics of play from Davis Webb to bo Nicks.
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  Speaker 5: Bonnicks in the huddle, bon Nicks out of the huddle.
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  Speaker 5: You know when they huddle, you know, when they go
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  Speaker 5: the two minute situation all that, that's different. But when
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  Speaker 5: they've huddled, they've they've made that a big deal. And
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  Speaker 5: you know, I've seen the difference now, you know, I
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  Speaker 5: think the Cardinals aren't very good, or I mean the
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  Speaker 5: Falcons rather aren't very good. And so some of that
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  Speaker 5: is one team is a lot more you know, had
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  Speaker 5: the ducks in a row, as it were, than the
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  Speaker 5: other one did so. But it's evident and it's been
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  Speaker 5: a big deal. The test is gonna come when you
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  Speaker 5: know it's not so vanilla and and the defense is
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  Speaker 5: moving around pre snap and all of those things.
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  Speaker 6: So Bo's gonna go Friday night fourteenth plays. According to
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  Speaker 6: coach Payton, did you think they're gonna.
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  Speaker 5: Play all three? They're gonna play all three victory all
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  Speaker 5: three quarterbacks.
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  Speaker 1: Do you think it's the only game both plays?
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  Speaker 5: I think a lot depends on how it looks, how
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  Speaker 5: he feels, you know, if it goes well, I could
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  Speaker 5: see them, uh using that last game to make a
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  Speaker 5: decision on the number two quarterback type thing. You know,
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  Speaker 5: I could see it going there if he looks really
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  Speaker 5: good and it's smooth and the.
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  Speaker 4: Operation is is great.
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  Speaker 5: I think they feel like, you know, he has missed
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  Speaker 5: no snaps and in training camp that he that he
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  Speaker 5: would have taken like last year for example.
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  Speaker 4: So he's gotten in a lot.
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  Speaker 5: Of work since camp started, you know, including the walkthroughs
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  Speaker 5: and all of the other things. So I think they
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  Speaker 5: would be inclined to sit him in that last games
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  Speaker 5: as they did last year.
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  Speaker 6: Stidy look good, Sorry, Emotion, Diddy looked good last week.
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  Speaker 6: What would Ellinger have to do to overtake him?
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  Speaker 1: That's what that was my question too.
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  Speaker 7: It's a great job well ahead, you asked Emotion, So
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  Speaker 7: what does Ellinger have to do to actually win the
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  Speaker 7: backup job?
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  Speaker 3: And just a b on that, what does Ellinger have
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  Speaker 3: to do to outdo Jared Stidham?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? In in better words, is Ellinger the number two guy?
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  Speaker 1: And we're just waiting for that moved happen.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I would say, you know, look, they would They
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  Speaker 5: might argue with you in public or behind the scene,
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  Speaker 5: but I would say Ellinger has won.
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  Speaker 4: The daily battle.
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  Speaker 5: You know Stidham look good in the game last week,
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  Speaker 5: and the games matter for sure, but day to day,
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  Speaker 5: practice to practice, snap to snap, I think Ellinger has
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  Speaker 5: won that battle over the last few weeks, so I
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  Speaker 5: think there's a lot more of that information the team has,
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  Speaker 5: and it's you know, I can see him keeping three.
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  Speaker 4: It's how he's done business in the past.
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  Speaker 5: They only kept two last year because they needed that
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  Speaker 5: roster spot elsewhere. But to do that, they convinced Ellan
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  Speaker 5: Gert to stay on the practice squad when he had
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  Speaker 5: a chance to go to a fifty three. You know,
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  Speaker 5: if you convinced him of that twice last season and
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  Speaker 5: then you want to cut him this year, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: sure you're convincing him a third time to come back
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  Speaker 5: if he has a chance at an active roster.
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  Speaker 4: Well.
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  Speaker 7: Color me surprised, Jeff, because I didn't know this, but
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  Speaker 7: you reported on it in your story. The NFL now
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  Speaker 7: they'll go to New York and if one guy throws
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  Speaker 7: a punch first, but he's not the one that was flagged,
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  Speaker 7: they can't go back and say, oh, number seventy four,
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  Speaker 7: that guy's the one who threw the first punch, and
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  Speaker 7: then he can get ding two. I didn't know that
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  Speaker 7: that system was in place.
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  Speaker 3: This year year.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't even know that when when the officials visited
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  Speaker 5: training camps. It was one of the things they've they've
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  Speaker 5: covered with teams is just reminding people that's now in place.
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  Speaker 5: And after the pushing and shoving and all the stuff
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  Speaker 5: that went on Tuesday, Sean Payton used the team meeting
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  Speaker 5: to remind his the players that that does exist and
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  Speaker 5: people should know his his distaste for practice fighting probably
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  Speaker 5: can't be measured with human technology. That his dislike for
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  Speaker 5: it is so deep. So while you know, all of
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  Speaker 5: us kind of made it a big deal, he he
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  Speaker 5: ain't happy when that stuff happens.
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  Speaker 7: Well, his head would have fallen off after seeing what
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  Speaker 7: happened with his old team and the Cowboys this week,
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  Speaker 7: So we probably would have lost his bacon. But that's
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  Speaker 7: I mean, you know, you don't have things like that
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  Speaker 7: in the NFL anymore. But I mean, you're throwing out
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  Speaker 7: seven guys per side.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's crazy.
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  Speaker 5: It's why most frankly, it's why some coaches really don't
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  Speaker 5: like joint practices. I think Sean has a very limited
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  Speaker 5: roster of other head coaches. He's willing to do joint
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  Speaker 5: practices with because of that, he knows if he sticks
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  Speaker 5: to the group he he has done him with in
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  Speaker 5: the past, that they can limit that sort of thing
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  Speaker 5: before it even before they even take the field.
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  Speaker 4: And I remember the.
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  Speaker 5: Way back when the Cowboys came here for joint practices.
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  Speaker 4: That was a fight festival.
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  Speaker 5: And Mike Shanahan was not real pumped about how that
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  Speaker 5: all went that day that weekend.
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  Speaker 3: As Jeff leewelld ESPN dot Com all conversations, what Legy
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  Speaker 3: you brought you about the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers
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  Speaker 3: IBW Local sixty eight start with the job and with
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  Speaker 3: a career, my camp darling from the very start to now,
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  Speaker 3: and I'm even more encouraged by it. It has been
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  Speaker 3: Jonah Coleman.
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  Speaker 4: And out on a limb there, aren't you.
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  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing I'm telling you that he stuck
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  Speaker 3: it to you. One of the things about it is
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  Speaker 3: I just wanted some JK. Dobbins insurance. And that wasn't RJ. Harvey,
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  Speaker 3: and it wasn't Julia mcloffin. It had to come from
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  Speaker 3: somewhere else. And so for Jonah Coleman, you know when
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  Speaker 3: Davis Webb says, we saw that one run and we
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  Speaker 3: were good. I mean, I think that tells you even
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  Speaker 3: more that like they're very, very comfortable with where he's at,
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  Speaker 3: even as a rookie, right.
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  Speaker 4: And they should be.
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  Speaker 5: You know, actually, you know, I know, I think we
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  Speaker 5: talked on your show, your Guys show in April this
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  Speaker 5: guy had the chance to really be the rookie that
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  Speaker 5: could have some impact because I mean I watched hundreds
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  Speaker 5: of his snaps in college before the draft, and this
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  Speaker 5: is just an NFL back. I mean that's that's just
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  Speaker 5: how an NFL back looks coming into the league.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, the.
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  Speaker 5: Broncos said it the draft weekend their comp for Jonah
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  Speaker 5: Cole was JK.
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  Speaker 4: Dobbins.
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  Speaker 5: Well, when they looked at the board, and I have
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  Speaker 5: been told that after he made the run with the
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  Speaker 5: little spin move at the end of it and ran
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  Speaker 5: through the tackle and looked explosive and decisive to I
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  Speaker 5: mean everything, it is just one little run and it,
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  Speaker 5: you know, in the big scheme of things, but like
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  Speaker 5: if you had a running back checklist, how should a
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  Speaker 5: run look? He hit them all, even the little football
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  Speaker 5: things in there. And I was told after that run
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  Speaker 5: the a very declarative. Get him out of there was
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  Speaker 5: set on the headset after that run.
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  Speaker 1: The falling forward at the end was my favorite, I mean,
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  Speaker 1: one of my favorite parts.
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  Speaker 3: Are they Are they comfortable? Though? You know what Sean
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  Speaker 3: Payton loves and what he needs out of his running backs.
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  Speaker 3: You aren't gonna playunless you can pass protect. Where's he
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  Speaker 3: in that department?
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  Speaker 4: He might be the best of the group.
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  Speaker 5: You know, he hasn't had a real chance to do
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  Speaker 5: it yet in a in a game game situation, but
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  Speaker 5: his college tape is littered with big time moments there.
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  Speaker 5: You know, NFL is a little different, you know, just
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  Speaker 5: like the opener for example. You know, few defensive coordinators
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  Speaker 5: give you more looks than than Spagnolo does. So, I mean,
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  Speaker 5: you know, his his ability to participate in that's going
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  Speaker 5: to be tested early. But he's more than willing. He's physical,
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  Speaker 5: he's tough, he's strong. He doesn't just get in the way.
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  Speaker 5: He's making impact. He's moving people when he does it.
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  Speaker 1: Cuts don't take place for a couple of weeks, Jeff,
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  Speaker 1: But everything.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah. That thirtieth Sunday a Sunday this year.
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  Speaker 6: And they all take place at the same time, which
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  Speaker 6: there's going to be a flood of players on the
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  Speaker 6: on the market. Usually teams there's gonna be a player
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  Speaker 6: or two that we assume makes the roster, and a
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  Speaker 6: team decides no, they're going to go in another direction.
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  Speaker 6: Do you have a handle of maybe a couple of
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  Speaker 6: guys on this team that may fall prey to that.
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  Speaker 4: They're gonna have a hard time this year, Vick.
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  Speaker 5: They're gonna be cutting guys that are good enough for
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  Speaker 5: other people, you know.
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  Speaker 4: So if they think they're gonna.
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  Speaker 5: Get they, in their perfect world, every single player on
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  Speaker 5: their practice squad would have already been here. They like
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  Speaker 5: bringing back people who've been in their program, who know
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  Speaker 5: their playbooks, who know how they practice all of those things.
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  Speaker 5: So in their perfect world, they make their cuts, get
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  Speaker 5: to fifty three, and everybody they bring back on the
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  Speaker 5: practice squad is one of their own guys. But now
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  Speaker 5: they would stray from that if they saw somebody out
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  Speaker 5: there they had graded way above. But anyway, but I
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  Speaker 5: don't know that they're gonna be able to do that
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  Speaker 5: this year because some of the people they get rid of,
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  Speaker 5: and it's really tight in the offensive line. I mean,
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  Speaker 5: can can Alex Forsyth mate it. You know, he's been here.
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  Speaker 5: You know, wide receiver are going to be tight. The
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  Speaker 5: top five have pretty been set since the start of camp. Really,
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  Speaker 5: you know, they they'd love to have the rookie back Cameron,
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  Speaker 5: but you know you're gonna be able to do that,
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  Speaker 5: you know, but those positions are tight. Secondary, they're going
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  Speaker 5: to leave a defensive back, particularly a safety somewhere on
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  Speaker 5: waivers that is good enough for other teams that they'd
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  Speaker 5: like to have back.
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  Speaker 4: You know, the rookie Miles Scott has.
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  Speaker 5: Had a quiet, really good camp, but there's no room
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  Speaker 5: for him to make it at safety. But you know
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  Speaker 5: that's their issue this year is they're they're really tight.
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  Speaker 5: They're going to have guys they think are good enough
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  Speaker 5: for their fifty three who aren't going to have a spot.
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  Speaker 7: Well, Mike, my camp darling is Murdoch. It's my guy,
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  Speaker 7: And I just wonder the whole linebacking corps how much
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  Speaker 7: I know the different positions, but how much troubles Drew
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  Speaker 7: Sanders if any.
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  Speaker 5: Well, I mean that's that's uh. You know this year
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  Speaker 5: is I've been told it's a little different this year too.
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  Speaker 5: In the past, Uh, if you wanted to keep a
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  Speaker 5: guy who may have been dinged up, and your your
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  Speaker 5: plan was to move him to IR right after cutdown.
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  Speaker 5: Originally you had to keep him on the fifty three
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  Speaker 5: and then the next day move him to IR. But
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  Speaker 5: I think now you can designate two guys when you
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  Speaker 5: cut to fifty three that can go to IR at
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  Speaker 5: that moment, but you have to designate him right then.
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  Speaker 5: I think he has potential for that right now, depending
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  Speaker 5: on how severe this this injury is, which they don't
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  Speaker 5: they don't want to talk about.
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  Speaker 4: Nobody wants to talk about what it is.
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  Speaker 5: So uh, but he he didn't practice this week, you know,
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  Speaker 5: when we were out there after playing in the game,
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  Speaker 5: a few snaps.
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  Speaker 4: So, but he's he's sort of a.
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  Speaker 5: Candidate for that, you know, as would you know Alex
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  Speaker 5: forsythe be you know, a candidate for that. But you
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  Speaker 5: can only designate too, so that doesn't really save you
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  Speaker 5: a lot of guys as you make the.
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  Speaker 6: Moves, Mojo, there are any other questions you'd like me
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  Speaker 6: to ask so you can reask?
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, uh, Jeff vic Yeah, do you feel the beat
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  Speaker 7: in the rhythm of the night and dance until the
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  Speaker 7: morning light?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna ask that I'll let you go
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  Speaker 1: ahead and have that one.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that's uh.
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  Speaker 5: I like it when you just dial back to the
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  Speaker 5: eighties and just prove to everyone how old you are
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  Speaker 5: on the show.
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  Speaker 4: It's just is.
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  Speaker 1: That the barge's barge, Yes.
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  Speaker 4: It is, indeed, fat.
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  Speaker 7: You can't tell me that you didn't get down to
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  Speaker 7: that in the eighties. Young Jeff Legwald cutting a rug,
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  Speaker 7: scamming chicks.
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  Speaker 4: I know, I know you scaming chicks that my dad.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, Jeff, final question for you, and it's it's a
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  Speaker 3: useless question because I know there's no room on this
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  Speaker 3: roster for him. But Joseph Man Jack my favorite name audio.
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  Speaker 4: Receiver is. I mean, they're they're tight at receiver.
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  Speaker 5: It's you know, the five, the top five were the
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  Speaker 5: top five day one of camp and they're the top
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  Speaker 5: five now. So most years they keep five receivers. So
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  Speaker 5: it's been a hard camp for if you're one of
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  Speaker 5: the other receivers, because you could play great and still
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  Speaker 5: you know, be looking at and outside looking in.
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  Speaker 4: When you're done.
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  Speaker 5: But the undrafted rookie, I'm telling you Cameron Ross. Yeah,
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  Speaker 5: I had a draftable grade on him. Now, I'm not
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  Speaker 5: gonna say it like it was day two or something.
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  Speaker 5: I'm a savant, but I did have a late draftable
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  Speaker 5: grade on him. But he's he's better than my stinking
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  Speaker 5: grade was. Where's that kid from the undrafted Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 5: the undrafted receiver Virginia they liked. They were actually scouting
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  Speaker 5: another guy when he popped up on their tape. So,
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  Speaker 5: but he's a returner too, And I looked at his
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  Speaker 5: touchdown returns from college just after camp started, and yeah,
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  Speaker 5: that's a that's one they they would love to sneak
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  Speaker 5: him through. If he does not play much in the
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  Speaker 5: preseason finale, then you know that they are really open.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody notices him.
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  Speaker 7: Well, he's another guy who played a lot of college football, didn't.
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  Speaker 4: He Yeah, No, they like that's their profile.
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  Speaker 5: They like the big resume guys, you know, in their
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  Speaker 5: draft class. But their draft class is impacting their fifty
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  Speaker 5: three because I think if you got them to honestly
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  Speaker 5: answer in May, will this many draft picks make a
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  Speaker 5: fourteen win team that brought everybody back, their answer would
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  Speaker 5: have been no. But they're sitting right now with at
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  Speaker 5: least four of a draft class that will probably make
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  Speaker 5: this team. And they didn't have a first or a
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  Speaker 5: second round pick, and I would say, that's how you
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  Speaker 5: draft in the NFL if you're going to be good.
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  Speaker 3: So the four are on Yatam Jonah Coleman.
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  Speaker 4: I think.
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  Speaker 5: I think Red Murdoch makes it and cage Casey would
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  Speaker 5: not make it through waivers. I already had one GM
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  Speaker 5: tell me. I asked two gms if cage Casey was
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  Speaker 5: on waivers coming through, would you take him? I had
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  Speaker 5: one say I'd have to look at it a long
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  Speaker 5: time and the other one said, hell, yes.
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  Speaker 4: I would take it.
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  Speaker 3: All right, Well there's your answer.
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  Speaker 5: I know his alignment doesn't like move the needle for
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  Speaker 5: a lot of people, but he's a four position lineman.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: So like three years from now, he's going to be
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  Speaker 5: the guy who saves the Broncos two roster spots every
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  Speaker 5: every August, every September.
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• 17:45
  Speaker 3: As we are back now and uh, the time at
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Broncos training camp has come and gone, but they have
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: their second preseason game tomorrow. Going back to the Peyton
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: watts and stuff, he's traded yesterday for your first round
• 17:59
  Speaker 3: pick in twenty thirty one, a second round pick in
• 18:01
  Speaker 3: twenty thirty two. I told you there's plenty of time
• 18:04
  Speaker 3: for perspective. There's plenty of time to look forward and
• 18:07
  Speaker 3: say what can we do now. I'm here to tell
• 18:11
  Speaker 3: you that I'm reacting emotionally this morning, and in that emotion,
• 18:16
  Speaker 3: I am not dumb enough to think that the Nuggets
• 18:19
  Speaker 3: weren't going to have to take a hit somewhere. I
• 18:22
  Speaker 3: was just really hoping it wouldn't be him, and the
• 18:26
  Speaker 3: circumstance that the Nuggets now find themselves in, and I'm
• 18:29
  Speaker 3: very confused by this. It was right after the Watson
• 18:34
  Speaker 3: trade was announced. I saw a whole bunch of national
• 18:37
  Speaker 3: media members saying that they have set their sights on
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: DeMar derosen and I go, well, that would provide at
• 18:43
  Speaker 3: least a salve to losing Peyton Watson. No, he's thirty seven,
• 18:47
  Speaker 3: but still he was an eighteen points per game guy
• 18:50
  Speaker 3: last year. Okay, fine, here's the thing that I'm having
• 18:52
  Speaker 3: trouble with.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Though.
• 18:55
  Speaker 3: You're still in the second apron, and my assumption is
• 18:58
  Speaker 3: at least one of these picks, So I would assume
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: the second rounder is going to be used to move
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: off salary to get under the second apron. DeMar DeRozan
• 19:05
  Speaker 3: wants ten to fifteen million dollars, you'd be right back
• 19:08
  Speaker 3: in the second apron. How does that work?
• 19:11
  Speaker 6: Well, you say a second rounder. It could take more
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: than a second rounder to get off salary. Which salary
• 19:18
  Speaker 6: you're trying to get off? You're currently about two point
• 19:20
  Speaker 6: one into the second April.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: I think everybody's thinking Cam Johnson.
• 19:23
  Speaker 6: So let me ask you this. If you're gonna sign
• 19:27
  Speaker 6: DeMar DeRozan to the minimum, you gotta shave off at
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: least five and a half million dollars five and a
• 19:35
  Speaker 6: half to get him on the roster, and then.
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: You still need to fill another roster spot.
• 19:40
  Speaker 3: Well, so from you still for the minimum. I saw
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: that he wanted to play for a championship contender for
• 19:46
  Speaker 3: ten to fifteen was his number.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: Now he knows, Yeah, that's his number, but we'll see
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: where it goes.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: Yeah, what I'm saying is the acquisition of those assets
• 19:54
  Speaker 6: for Peyton Watson is exactly what you're gonna use to
• 19:58
  Speaker 6: get under that apron. And I know you hate to
• 20:01
  Speaker 6: hear that, and every Nuggets fan should hate to hear that,
• 20:04
  Speaker 6: but it's what you need.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: It's the only weapon you currently have.
• 20:09
  Speaker 6: I mean again, I started this program by going through
• 20:11
  Speaker 6: the history of why the Nuggets found themselves in this position.
• 20:15
  Speaker 6: It's throwing away second round picks after winning a championship.
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: And when I say throwing away.
• 20:22
  Speaker 6: I think being a little too aggressive in making trades,
• 20:26
  Speaker 6: dumping salaries, and dumping second round picks. Three of them
• 20:31
  Speaker 6: in Deron Holmes, two or three in Reggie Jacksee three's
• 20:38
  Speaker 6: three that's a lot of picks to unload to make
• 20:42
  Speaker 6: moves right, and now you find yourself in an asset
• 20:46
  Speaker 6: poor situation, which.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Is why they had to refill those coffers.
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: Can I say one thing real quick about this, and
• 20:51
  Speaker 3: the thing that to me is the most disappointing and
• 20:53
  Speaker 3: why I think I'm feeling the way I do this
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: morning about this is, First of all, I'm sure I'm
• 20:58
  Speaker 3: one of these people. I I probably hold Peyton Watson's
• 21:02
  Speaker 3: potential on much higher esteem than a lot of other
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: people do. And that's fine, Like I don't know what
• 21:06
  Speaker 3: to tell you, That's how I feel about it. I
• 21:10
  Speaker 3: just love the idea of having somebody potentially that was
• 21:13
  Speaker 3: twenty three years old, that was capable of averaging twenty
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: points a night, that was a forty percent from three
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: point shooter, that was probably your best all around defender
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: on the team.
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: Like all of these.
• 21:22
  Speaker 6: Things, the words you just used in those senses, what's
• 21:25
  Speaker 6: up potential capable of?
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: And probably well yeah, But I.
• 21:31
  Speaker 3: The difference is there's almost a guarantee that you won't
• 21:35
  Speaker 3: be able to keep Cam Johnson after next year or
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: after this year. There is a very high probability that
• 21:43
  Speaker 3: Aaron Gordon is going to be hurt again at some
• 21:45
  Speaker 3: point this year, Like we can do this with a
• 21:47
  Speaker 3: whole bunch of stuff. So, yes, I'm playing off the
• 21:50
  Speaker 3: words potential and probably, but that's to be honest, it's
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: kind of what you're stuck with. There's a lot of
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: potentials and probably. So my disappointment comes from for years,
• 22:00
  Speaker 3: even when the Nuggets were winning, even when they were
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: winning championships, we had this feeling of if you're gonna
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: draft guys, if you're gonna draft in the same what
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: ten to fifteen picks Strather, Pickett, and Tyson, you have
• 22:15
  Speaker 3: to be able to develop or play these guys to
• 22:18
  Speaker 3: see if they can actually do it. You took a
• 22:21
  Speaker 3: guy in the first round that averaged the least points
• 22:24
  Speaker 3: per game of any first round pick in NBA history.
• 22:26
  Speaker 3: That's a risk that is drafting strictly off of potential,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: and the potential turned into a guy that is worthy
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: of twenty two million dollars a year and everything that
• 22:35
  Speaker 3: I'm talking about. And it's like the one guy you've
• 22:39
  Speaker 3: invested player development in who actually worked when it got
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: to the working part, he's gone.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: Now that's why I'm disappointed.
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: Why why is there no potential for Drawn Holmes. He's
• 22:50
  Speaker 7: just a forgotten dude and what's going on with that?
• 22:52
  Speaker 6: There's potential, But I mean again, you can use that
• 22:57
  Speaker 6: word for anybody on this roster. I think you'd see
• 23:01
  Speaker 6: a different circumstance, much different if Peyton Watson had played
• 23:06
  Speaker 6: in the playoffs. And I'm not blame him, blaming him
• 23:09
  Speaker 6: for not I'm not I'm not setting up that table.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: It just he was injured at the wrong time.
• 23:15
  Speaker 6: But let's say that he did perform in the playoffs,
• 23:17
  Speaker 6: and let's say he continued that toward pace he was
• 23:20
  Speaker 6: on in January and he provided a huge spark and
• 23:24
  Speaker 6: it helped the Nuggets win. We'd be singing a different
• 23:26
  Speaker 6: tune today. And in what ways I think they would
• 23:30
  Speaker 6: approach the offseason in a different manner. And when I
• 23:35
  Speaker 6: say that, I mean maybe unloading other guys and taking
• 23:39
  Speaker 6: less in return, or taking the minimal in the return.
• 23:42
  Speaker 6: You'd be signing him to the four year, eighty eight
• 23:46
  Speaker 6: million dollar deal and trying to move off other guys
• 23:48
  Speaker 6: to that evidence.
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: It might not be for eighty eight, it might be
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: four one hundred or.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: See.
• 23:58
  Speaker 6: I think you're you're, you're stuck at this in a
• 24:01
  Speaker 6: sense where your frustration lies, Brett, and I don't disagree
• 24:04
  Speaker 6: with your frustration, but you have to understand the why.
• 24:07
  Speaker 6: In my opinion, you can't understand why the Nuggets would
• 24:10
  Speaker 6: choose Cam Johnson over Peyton Watson.
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: That's where you're stuck, correct.
• 24:14
  Speaker 8: It's yeah, yes, yeah, And I don't disagree with you,
• 24:21
  Speaker 8: but you have to look at the market and to
• 24:24
  Speaker 8: move off some of these other deals to get under
• 24:26
  Speaker 8: the second apron, to do what you hope to do
• 24:28
  Speaker 8: to make all the dominoes fall.
• 24:31
  Speaker 6: If you don't think they didn't try to trade Cam Johnson,
• 24:34
  Speaker 6: I think you're being a bit naive.
• 24:37
  Speaker 1: I think you're being naive.
• 24:38
  Speaker 3: I know, no, no, hang on, Vick, I know that
• 24:41
  Speaker 3: they explored it. They that's obvious. It's it comes down
• 24:48
  Speaker 3: to me one of two things. Either they were offered
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: nothing like nobody had an offer for Cam Johnson, which
• 24:55
  Speaker 3: is really hard for me to believe. Or they got
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: offers they just didn't like. And to me, the offer
• 25:02
  Speaker 3: they didn't like is a better scenario than letting Peyton
• 25:06
  Speaker 3: Watson go for what they did.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: So give me an example of an offer they didn't
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: like that would have been.
• 25:10
  Speaker 3: Cam Johnson for a second round pick in twenty thirty.
• 25:12
  Speaker 3: So just one second round, one second rounder, and I'd
• 25:15
  Speaker 3: be like to me, I do that to keep Peyton
• 25:18
  Speaker 3: Watson here because I'm thinking of Yokich. Is he thirty
• 25:23
  Speaker 3: or thirty one right now?
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: Thirty?
• 25:25
  Speaker 3: He's thirty. You need runway. A twenty three year old
• 25:29
  Speaker 3: with potential provides runway. A Cam Johnson who was a
• 25:33
  Speaker 3: good player, he is thirty one. Yeah, that provides runway
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: for Nikola Jokic. A Cam Johnson who's a good player,
• 25:40
  Speaker 3: but on a one year deal that is likely not
• 25:42
  Speaker 3: going to come back after this because you probably can't
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: afford it.
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: Is not runway. Oh they got.
• 25:46
  Speaker 3: That's like pushing it in for this year. But you
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: wren't pushing it in for this year because you lost talent.
• 25:51
  Speaker 6: But what I'm saying is for Peyton Watson, they got
• 25:55
  Speaker 6: a much bigger haul return. They got an unprotected first.
• 25:59
  Speaker 1: And second rounder.
• 26:01
  Speaker 6: If you combine that unprotected first and the other first
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: they own at the trade deadline, that's a pretty big
• 26:07
  Speaker 6: draw to go get somebody if you need somebody. Otherwise
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: they wouldn't have that.
• 26:11
  Speaker 3: Who is the somebody though? I don't know my question.
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: I'm just telling you, like I think about this in
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: this sense, and I hate to like dumb this down
• 26:17
  Speaker 3: to this level, but it's the old Family Guy clip
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: where he's like, he's offered a boat or he's offered
• 26:23
  Speaker 3: what's in the mystery box. You could have a boat,
• 26:26
  Speaker 3: or you could take the mystery box, and he goes, well,
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: the mystery box could be anything. It could even be
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: a boat. It's like, are you just gonna be searching
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: for Peyton Watson again with the seet that you've now acquired.
• 26:37
  Speaker 6: And that's where I'll call you on this because you're
• 26:38
  Speaker 6: making assumptions, you're using words. You don't know what Peyton
• 26:41
  Speaker 6: Watson can do in the playoffs. We haven't seen it. Yes,
• 26:46
  Speaker 6: you've seen all these other guys in the place.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: You're right, you have no idea. We haven't seen it yet.
• 26:51
  Speaker 6: So you're assuming that it carries over. You're assuming that
• 26:55
  Speaker 6: it's a spark. You're assuming what we saw in January
• 26:58
  Speaker 6: is what you'll see in in June.
• 27:00
  Speaker 3: I am fully willing to tell you vic, Maybe Peyton
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: Watson goes to Cleveland and completely flames out. Perhaps that's
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: the case. Maybe he's nothing like any sort of the
• 27:10
  Speaker 3: potential that we're helping. But but, but, but I would
• 27:15
  Speaker 3: have been willing to risk that because what you're looking
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: for is youth. Right now, they have no youth. Who's
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: who's the young player on this roster that you're like,
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: this is a guy that we will grow with over
• 27:26
  Speaker 3: the next three to four agreed?
• 27:28
  Speaker 1: Agreed? What if I told you? What if I?
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: And and for those of you chiming in, uh Vic,
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: you don't see what Brett saying. I know exactly what
• 27:35
  Speaker 6: Brett's saying. I understand exactly what Bret's saying. And I
• 27:38
  Speaker 6: don't disagree with Brett. I'd be annoyed too if I'm
• 27:40
  Speaker 6: a Nuggets fan. But what I don't think you understand.
• 27:42
  Speaker 6: And those who who rail against me, here, what if
• 27:47
  Speaker 6: I told you they tried to trade Cam and couldn't.
• 27:51
  Speaker 6: I mean is, here's what the rest of the league knows.
• 27:55
  Speaker 6: That you're up against it, that you're in the apron
• 27:57
  Speaker 6: and you have to get out of this mess. Do
• 27:59
  Speaker 6: you think they're gonna play you fairly?
• 28:01
  Speaker 3: No? No, I don't think they played ball fairly with
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: the Peyton Watson trade.
• 28:06
  Speaker 6: Like I think that they knew exactly. I mean they
• 28:09
  Speaker 6: the rest of the league could just sit there snicker,
• 28:11
  Speaker 6: laugh and say, well wait, we'll wait it out because.
• 28:12
  Speaker 1: We know you're not going to live in the apron.
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: The only thing I'm challenging, though, Vic, is when you
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: say they tried and they couldn't. What does couldn't mean
• 28:19
  Speaker 3: they didn't get a single offer or they got an
• 28:21
  Speaker 3: offer they did, they couldn't.
• 28:22
  Speaker 6: Get the necessary return to let the dominoes go in place.
• 28:26
  Speaker 6: They couldn't get the return they need to make other moves.
• 28:30
  Speaker 6: That's that's That's what I'm thinking. That's and and and. Frankly,
• 28:36
  Speaker 6: I've always said this, and this has been no secret
• 28:38
  Speaker 6: on this show. I said it after they won the championship.
• 28:41
  Speaker 6: I said this two years ago. Do you remember what
• 28:44
  Speaker 6: I said about this this roster two years ago?
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: I said, remember what you said two years ago? I
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: said it's too top heavy. I remember that You've been
• 28:51
  Speaker 1: saying that for from exactly right. I said it's too
• 28:54
  Speaker 1: top heavy. I said this two years ago.
• 28:56
  Speaker 6: That's been my only criticism of the way the Nuggets
• 28:58
  Speaker 6: have managed and handled this is I think with the
• 29:01
  Speaker 6: new CBA and the way it's set up, it sucks
• 29:05
  Speaker 6: because you cultivate and develop these draft picks that you find,
• 29:08
  Speaker 6: and then you have to pay them like you normally would,
• 29:10
  Speaker 6: and then you can't afford him because the CBA penalizes you.
• 29:13
  Speaker 1: It sucks.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: I my biggest disappointment from this above all else. I mean,
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: of course, I'm disappointed that Peyton Watson is not here,
• 29:20
  Speaker 3: But if you're gonna do a trade like this, you
• 29:23
  Speaker 3: couldn't at least get me out of the second apron
• 29:25
  Speaker 3: with it. You're telling me the question, you do it,
• 29:27
  Speaker 3: But hang on, Vic, you do a deal like this
• 29:30
  Speaker 3: and you're still in the second apron, you couldn't. You
• 29:33
  Speaker 3: couldn't find a team to attach Zeke. If you're gonna
• 29:35
  Speaker 3: let him go.
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: This deal will get you. This is what I'm trying
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: to tell you.
• 29:39
  Speaker 6: And the question comes in from this text to eight
• 29:40
  Speaker 6: pour ninety three, Vic, they're still in the second apron.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: How does it pick five years from now? Change teams
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: hardballing them?
• 29:46
  Speaker 6: Because that's the only way you get out of the
• 29:48
  Speaker 6: apron is to attach one of these picks that they received.
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: And it may have to be that first swallow hard,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: swallow real hard, and I'd have to do that. Yeah,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: attach a player just to get out of the apron, But.
• 30:03
  Speaker 7: Once you get tangled into it, the amount of chess
• 30:08
  Speaker 7: pieces that have to move to get out of it
• 30:10
  Speaker 7: are a pain in the tail. I look at the
• 30:13
  Speaker 7: Nuggets this offseason, is having very limited options on what
• 30:17
  Speaker 7: they can do to unravel the situation they're in. This
• 30:21
  Speaker 7: is a bite the bullet. It sucks because you love
• 30:24
  Speaker 7: pay p Watt and maybe he's gonna be an All
• 30:27
  Speaker 7: Star and all this kind of thing. But if you're
• 30:29
  Speaker 7: if you're going to really from this point further right now,
• 30:32
  Speaker 7: if you're going to try and maximize the Nicola jokichiers
• 30:36
  Speaker 7: and I don't know how many you have left, but
• 30:37
  Speaker 7: if you want to try to maximize those, you need
• 30:40
  Speaker 7: to get yourself out from under this elephant right now,
• 30:43
  Speaker 7: or start or start to get yourself out from under
• 30:45
  Speaker 7: this elephant right now.
• 30:47
  Speaker 3: Again, I can't talk to none of that. I disagree
• 30:51
  Speaker 3: with mos. You said you're gonna have to bite the bullet.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: All that is.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: I was just like I would have preferred a different bullet.
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: By bite whatever you want to bite. Hey, listen, Brett.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: On the surface side, I don't disagree.
• 31:05
  Speaker 6: I'd rather go young and promising too, But I would
• 31:09
  Speaker 6: rather they started that trend two years ago, but they
• 31:12
  Speaker 6: were still in the window, and I understand why they
• 31:14
  Speaker 6: didn't do it.
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: I understand. I get it.
• 31:17
  Speaker 6: You're still in the window this time last year. All
• 31:20
  Speaker 6: of our anger and venom that is being spewed today,
• 31:23
  Speaker 6: what was our mindset this time last year?
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: You're gonna win it all?
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah?
• 31:27
  Speaker 3: This was all. And this is where I'm not I'm
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: not being critical of the moves that were made last
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: season at all because I just want you this is
• 31:35
  Speaker 3: what they I asked for them to push the ship
• 31:37
  Speaker 3: to the middle of the table.
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: They did it.
• 31:39
  Speaker 6: What I'm trying to get at, how you feel in
• 31:42
  Speaker 6: August isn't a result. It's how you feel. We felt
• 31:46
  Speaker 6: promising in August. Let felt like and you know what,
• 31:49
  Speaker 6: they lost in the first round.
• 31:51
  Speaker 1: So maybe you feel like crap this August and they
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: show you something different. I hope.
• 31:56
  Speaker 3: So it's just it's it's I don't think it's hard
• 32:00
  Speaker 3: to understand where you get bounced in the first round
• 32:03
  Speaker 3: in six games and then you lose your best shooter
• 32:06
  Speaker 3: and then hey you lose, you lose just some pieces,
• 32:09
  Speaker 3: you know what I mean?
• 32:09
  Speaker 6: Though, Like Brett, I think Nuggets fans will understand something
• 32:13
  Speaker 6: when I speak to in this nature, with or without
• 32:16
  Speaker 6: Peyton Watson, even if Peyton Watson were on this team,
• 32:19
  Speaker 6: still on this roster, the best let the best league plans.
• 32:24
  Speaker 6: They're at the mercy of injury. Oh sure, if you
• 32:26
  Speaker 6: can't have a healthy Aaron Gordon, you ain't getting there.
• 32:30
  Speaker 3: Sure, you ain't getting there, but you have Moff.
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I got nothing, and that's and to me, that that
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: that right there is more important than any deal they've
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: made this offseason. Agreed, Vic, you're a doc. I need you.
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: I need some advice from Vic.
• 32:47
  Speaker 7: I can do it off the air, but I've got
• 32:49
  Speaker 7: a battery eache right now, so I can't breathe.
• 32:53
  Speaker 1: I don't care.
• 32:54
  Speaker 3: I don't care, Vick, what do I do?
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: Help me?
• 32:56
  Speaker 3: Don't care.
• 32:59
  Speaker 6: I wish I could say what I really want to say,
• 33:01
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• 33:39
  Speaker 3: play this? Okay, guys, don't I don't know what to
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: do you Like, Lord of God.
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  Speaker 9: I would say that it is tough. However, everything that
• 33:47
  Speaker 9: is tough. You wouldn't want something to be easy. If
• 33:50
  Speaker 9: it's tough, it's worth it. And that's why it works
• 33:52
  Speaker 9: at the highest level. And it's great because the teammates
• 33:56
  Speaker 9: we rely on each other. We rely on their series
• 33:58
  Speaker 9: and make the right time in the right route. Receivers
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: rely on the quarterback and throwing the correct timing. The
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: lineman rely on the quarterback to get it out on time.
• 34:06
  Speaker 9: The quarterback rely on the lineman to give him that
• 34:08
  Speaker 9: time to throw it, and then the tie end. I mean,
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: there's so many different variables of it, and we all
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: rely on each other. I believe it makes us closer.
• 34:14
  Speaker 9: And when we become one oiled unit and we have
• 34:18
  Speaker 9: all this synergy and become a dynamic ecosystem where we're
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: evolving together, playing on time, be able to make and
• 34:25
  Speaker 9: then still say makes them all schedule plays, but mostly
• 34:27
  Speaker 9: playing on time. Then that's what teams in the system
• 34:30
  Speaker 9: take the next level.
• 34:31
  Speaker 1: I can't stand this believement.
• 34:33
  Speaker 3: Guy, I can't, Guy, I cannot stand this nerd. I
• 34:41
  Speaker 3: can't do it. Please don't be good at football, Please.
• 34:47
  Speaker 1: Go ou shot. He's just it's just it's a press,
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: pretty harsh, bro.
• 34:53
  Speaker 3: I don't know. I hear him speak and I'm just like, oh,
• 34:57
  Speaker 3: you know what, I don't know.
• 34:58
  Speaker 7: That I've ever seen anybody you because you have a threshold.
• 35:02
  Speaker 7: And I know that you have a threshold because you
• 35:05
  Speaker 7: will like a guy until the one split second and
• 35:08
  Speaker 7: then you hate that guy.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: You flip on people all the time.
• 35:11
  Speaker 7: I'm not saying you ever like Fernanda Mendoza, but I'm
• 35:14
  Speaker 7: saying that you have this off switch for human beings
• 35:18
  Speaker 7: that when it's off, dude, it is gone to god.
• 35:22
  Speaker 3: You can't tell me.
• 35:22
  Speaker 9: I would say that this tough, however exhausted. You wouldn't
• 35:28
  Speaker 9: want something to be easy if it's level and it's
• 35:32
  Speaker 9: great because.
• 35:33
  Speaker 3: Oh so the offensive line accounts on the quarterback and
• 35:35
  Speaker 3: the quarterback counts on the offensive line. The receivers count
• 35:37
  Speaker 3: on the quarterback, but they get on the offensive line
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: and then the running backs.
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: You to do that, it's like no connected.
• 35:43
  Speaker 7: Leg bone and the leg bones connected to the ankle bone,
• 35:45
  Speaker 7: and it's football.
• 35:48
  Speaker 10: Oh well, Brett, would you prefer this?
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: You know? JK.
• 35:53
  Speaker 10: Dobbins is just such a great guy. Jake, He's I
• 35:57
  Speaker 10: was there on the day he was born. He'll be there, diyes,
• 36:00
  Speaker 10: He's such a good guy. And Courtland Sutton Courtland How
• 36:03
  Speaker 10: could you imagine a team without a guy like Courtland Sutton.
• 36:06
  Speaker 10: Courtland Sutton, I'm his godfather.
• 36:08
  Speaker 3: Somebody on twitch says, come on, Bretman, doesn't maybe nerbody's
• 36:11
  Speaker 3: a good dude.
• 36:11
  Speaker 4: I didn't.
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: I didn't say he wasn't a good dude.
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: I didn't say he wasn't a good dude.
• 36:16
  Speaker 3: But you can't tell guys, Am I really alone? Here?
• 36:20
  Speaker 3: Am I really alone? When you heard that, you weren't like,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: oh my god, am I the only one?
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: Well?
• 36:24
  Speaker 7: I think, I mean that's yeah, it feels a little nerdy, excessive. Yeah,
• 36:28
  Speaker 7: I dig what you're saying. But at the same time,
• 36:31
  Speaker 7: you're just flat unmean. So you're a So you're walking
• 36:37
  Speaker 7: this though.
• 36:37
  Speaker 6: I mean, there were a lot of dirty quarterbacks. Did
• 36:40
  Speaker 6: you dislike Peyton Manning? He's the ultimate nerd when it comes.
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: To Fox appople.
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: He's funny, throwing a joke here in there.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: Early in his career, he may not have been Tom Brady. Hey,
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: tom Brady early in his career? Was he nerdy? Did
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: you you remember his rookie picture?
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean notorious Tom Brady lover Brett Kane.
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm just saying, dude.
• 37:00
  Speaker 6: Let that's a lot of hate for a kid who's
• 37:04
  Speaker 6: yet to develop.
• 37:05
  Speaker 7: I look, this is the kind of hate you have
• 37:07
  Speaker 7: reserved for Aaron Rodgers, and now you're throwing it on
• 37:09
  Speaker 7: this kid.
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: Well, his was different. His was smug, and now this
• 37:13
  Speaker 3: is like the opposite end of the spectrum. You know
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: what I like normal? I like my quarterbacks right down
• 37:19
  Speaker 3: the middle, like normal. That's what I like. I just
• 37:23
  Speaker 3: I don't. I don't know how else to tell this
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: to you, guys. I'm allowed to hate people sometimes.
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: Okay, I'm allowed. I'm as human being.
• 37:30
  Speaker 3: I have feelings, I have emotions.
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: That's fine. I just I don't agree with it.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Well, here's the thing on the radio show. You a
• 37:40
  Speaker 3: radio show properly, you need the proper co host, but
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: the cost need to rely on the produce and the
• 37:43
  Speaker 3: producer gets a lot of his stuff in the program
• 37:46
  Speaker 3: director and who cares.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Okay, that'd be I think I'd probably do this to
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: you today. I'll blame myself.
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: That means, and that is mosher has told me about
• 37:55
  Speaker 3: his nose and ears every break, and that has driven
• 37:58
  Speaker 3: me driven me.
• 37:59
  Speaker 7: Of that being said, if this guy turns out to
• 38:02
  Speaker 7: be a first overall witch, which is possible, be six'
• 38:06
  Speaker 7: five and two twenty five.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: In mosh all want to die.
• 38:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, that's what I'm saying.
• 38:13
  Speaker 7: That's when that's when I that's when my Mendoza hate
• 38:15
  Speaker 7: will come out. As when I'm like, oh, we gotta
• 38:17
  Speaker 7: deal with another freaking witch for another twelve years in
• 38:20
  Speaker 7: this division or whatever it may be. I mean, then
• 38:22
  Speaker 7: that's when I will join you in the in the
• 38:25
  Speaker 7: hate spectrum.
• 38:26
  Speaker 3: You want to know why I have no problem with
• 38:29
  Speaker 3: Justin Herbert. I swear to God, swear to God on
• 38:33
  Speaker 3: my children's lives. Right now, I can't think of how
• 38:39
  Speaker 3: Justin Herbert sounds. I can't picture his voice. I don't
• 38:44
  Speaker 3: think I've heard him speak. That's what I want.
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: I want that.
• 38:49
  Speaker 6: Uh do you do you remember Kirk Cousins when he
• 38:51
  Speaker 6: spoke early in his career and even now, yes, yeah, and.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you didn't hate him when he was at Minnesota.
• 39:05
  Speaker 3: Look, I had a pre Nelly played the clips when
• 39:09
  Speaker 3: I heard this for the first time. Do it, Nelly,
• 39:12
  Speaker 3: You've all the glory to God. When I heard all
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: of that stuff during it was supposed to be in
• 39:16
  Speaker 3: a posision from Indiana? Is it like that set me
• 39:21
  Speaker 3: down a path already?
• 39:23
  Speaker 7: He was being genuine and he was correct because nobody
• 39:26
  Speaker 7: expected them to be in that position really until he
• 39:28
  Speaker 7: I mean the year before they had a great year obviously.
• 39:30
  Speaker 7: But you're telling me Indiana's gonna run the table and
• 39:33
  Speaker 7: win the Natty.
• 39:34
  Speaker 1: He's smoking weed?
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: Hope Please? What text from Adam Schefter The Denver Broncos
• 39:40
  Speaker 3: have signed former Bill safety Taylor rep Today.
• 39:44
  Speaker 1: Ah? Interesting?
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: Why? I mean, look, we just had Lagwald on forty
• 39:52
  Speaker 3: minutes ago who told us they're gonna have to make
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: some decisions when it comes to cut down safety, and
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: safety was one of the spots that they He thought
• 40:01
  Speaker 3: they would lose a good player who at the end.
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: Do they not like.
• 40:07
  Speaker 7: Injury Jones, they ain't need they like Key, they like Skinner.
• 40:12
  Speaker 6: I thought, I mean, are the starters yes? Is there
• 40:20
  Speaker 6: enough depth after those guys?
• 40:22
  Speaker 3: Well again Lakewell just said they're gonna cut players who
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: are gonna get picked up by teams at safety, so
• 40:27
  Speaker 3: obviously they had. Is there an injury we're unaware of
• 40:31
  Speaker 3: right now? That's my question.
• 40:33
  Speaker 6: Could be that's a that's a good point, that could
• 40:35
  Speaker 6: be the the very reason you go get a guy
• 40:39
  Speaker 6: for depth's sake, and it could be just a secondary safety.
• 40:42
  Speaker 1: Who knows.
• 40:45
  Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm. Moves that make you go m so. Taylor
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: Rapp has signed on with the Broncos. He's a former
• 40:54
  Speaker 3: safety of the Bills. Before that, he was with.
• 40:57
  Speaker 1: The Rattle.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: Clam uh but pretty good player early in his career.
• 41:04
  Speaker 3: He has not played that much. It didn't play that
• 41:06
  Speaker 3: much last year, only six games for the Bill. So
• 41:09
  Speaker 3: who knows. Maybe there's an injury we don't know about.
• 41:12
  Speaker 3: Maybe there's a move coming that we don't know about.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: But Nelly said to give him a few extra minutes
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: on the fact checker here, So go ahead.
• 41:22
  Speaker 2: Nelly monitors the mistakes in today's fact Checker fact Checker,
• 41:28
  Speaker 2: presented by macchus and Shanker, Serious Lawyers for the Serious
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: Lee injured.
• 41:34
  Speaker 10: As you guys know, on Saturday, I went to the
• 41:37
  Speaker 10: Savannah Bananas game at Chorus Field and banana boy and
• 41:41
  Speaker 10: I'm not the only banana boy on the show, so
• 41:43
  Speaker 10: you know I wasn't going to come back from that
• 41:45
  Speaker 10: game empty handed. So first of all, vic, I got
• 41:48
  Speaker 10: you a plushy of the Savannah Banana's mascot. Here, he's
• 41:52
  Speaker 10: got a cape and sunglasses. He's ready to roll.
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: Congrats, vic, I don't do I don't do puppets.
• 41:56
  Speaker 10: Thanks for the As the Nanner guy, I would hope
• 42:00
  Speaker 10: that you would be able to put this, you know,
• 42:01
  Speaker 10: back there behind your camera with like your Stanley cup
• 42:03
  Speaker 10: and your football and the Nana king right there.
• 42:06
  Speaker 1: But what's the best song they danced to? That? That's
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: what I would have gone for.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: Well, they had the frozen thing with prety cool.
• 42:12
  Speaker 6: I want to do cartoons. But was there another song?
• 42:14
  Speaker 6: Was there like a hip hop song or something.
• 42:16
  Speaker 10: They danced to that was really cool? They pretty much
• 42:18
  Speaker 10: just danced to everything under the sun. They are equal
• 42:20
  Speaker 10: opportunity employers there, Brett. I also got you a little
• 42:23
  Speaker 10: nano plushy just in case you want something.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: For you're too nice for this show, Nelly.
• 42:30
  Speaker 10: Well it's so, it's okay. This next one is packaged.
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: Up with I'm just curious how much is one of
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: those things cost?
• 42:36
  Speaker 6: Because Banana Ball Day they pride themselves on a on a.
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: Fair family friendly price.
• 42:42
  Speaker 10: Yet I was like ten bucks or something, and that
• 42:45
  Speaker 10: well most you can you can see if you like this.
• 42:47
  Speaker 10: I know that you're a banana hater. So I did
• 42:49
  Speaker 10: not get you a banana plushy, but instead the Savannah
• 42:52
  Speaker 10: Bananas were playing the Indianapolis Clowns. And what word better
• 42:56
  Speaker 10: describes Mark Moser than being a clown? So I got
• 42:59
  Speaker 10: you an Indian Apples Clowns had here.
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: Oh I'd rather have that. I want that doesn't deserve it? Yeah,
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: I want that, and give give Moser the banana.
• 43:08
  Speaker 6: You know you're right, I should get the right to
• 43:10
  Speaker 6: pick what I want.
• 43:12
  Speaker 10: Well, then Vic you can, maybe you can steal the
• 43:14
  Speaker 10: hat from mosery if you I didn't know this. I
• 43:17
  Speaker 10: did not know this until the game. The Indianapolis Clowns
• 43:20
  Speaker 10: were actually a real they were league, and then the
• 43:24
  Speaker 10: name and the logo and everything was revived by banana
• 43:27
  Speaker 10: ball with the blessing from the Negro League's Museum. Can
• 43:29
  Speaker 10: you tell me which MLB Hall of Famer briefly at
• 43:33
  Speaker 10: the beginning of his career was an Indianapolis clown.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Jackie Robinson, not Frank Robinson? It was was? It was?
• 43:41
  Speaker 1: It was not Willie Mays.
• 43:43
  Speaker 7: Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, holding, stop
• 43:47
  Speaker 7: holding know this?
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: Will he Starchell?
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, you gotta go back. Bob Gibson.
• 43:54
  Speaker 3: No, no, was a good answer.
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: Seven fifty five.
• 43:58
  Speaker 10: Oh hey, yes, he was an Indianapolis clown when he
• 44:04
  Speaker 10: was eighteen years old.
• 44:05
  Speaker 3: Oh my god, he looks like a baby. That's crazy.
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: It wasn't baby was eighteen. Wow?
• 44:14
  Speaker 3: How about that?
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: You want to go to that museum by the way
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: in Kansas City.
• 44:17
  Speaker 3: You don't get the hat, you can't. I get a
• 44:20
  Speaker 3: gift from Nelly banana puppet up motions.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: I'll tell you what you can do with that banana.
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: Would you like to.
• 44:27
  Speaker 7: Know kinds of ideas, especially you in your mouth today?
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: Your mouthy? Yeah, your mouth very mouthy today, brit I.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Could say something to you about where you can stop it.
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: That's it for the show.
• 44:45
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I thought. iTunes Spotify Emotional Body and Vick.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: Wasn't he mouthy today? I thought you were the mouth
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: on this guy.
• 44:56
  Speaker 3: Bernana Mendoza, did you know the offensive line matters when
• 44:58
  Speaker 3: you're playing quarterback? All right, we'll talk to you tomorrow.
• 45:02
  Speaker 3: I love you, see But now, who's just or flipping champs?
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Let's go