Latest / The Morning Stoic: The Untold Lives Behind Stoicism / Ep. 13: Live as Long as You Ought, Not as Long as You Can
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- 0:00An old man walks into a town he hasn't seen in a long time.
- 0:05I imagine the streets first.
- 0:07The particular feel of a place you knew when you were young,
- 0:11a doorway that looks smaller than it should.
- 0:14Seneca doesn't give us any of that.
- 0:16He tells us only what happened inside him.
- 0:19He writes to his friend Lucilius: "After a long space of time I have seen your
- 0:25beloved Pompeii.
- 0:28I was thus brought again face to face with the days of my youth."
- 0:32Richard Gummere, whose translation we're using, notes that Pompeii was probably the
- 0:36birthplace of Lucilius, which would explain the word "your."
- 0:41Then comes the strange part, the part anyone who has walked back into their own past
- 0:47will recognize.
- 0:48Seneca writes: "And it seemed to me that I could still do, nay,
- 0:54had only done a short time ago, all the things which I did there when a young man."
- 0:59The decades fold up.
- 1:01For a moment, the boy and the old man are standing in the same place.
- 1:07This is Ep.
- 1:0813 of The Morning Stoic, and I want to say plainly what this morning's letter is
- 1:13about.
- 1:14It's Letter 70, and it's one of the most debated letters in all of Stoicism,
- 1:19because it argues about when a life may be ended by its owner.
- 1:24I'm going to treat it strictly as ancient history and ancient ethics.
- 1:29It is an argument from Rome, not advice.
- 1:32If that isn't a subject for your morning, skip this one, and we'll be back tomorrow
- 1:37with something else.
- 1:38First, the man and his moment.
- 1:42In an earlier episode we met Seneca's asthma, the attacks he called a rehearsal for
- 1:46dying.
- 1:47That was a letter about the body.
- 1:49This one is about something larger, and it was written at a darker time.
- 1:54The letters are generally placed in his last years, after he had stepped back from
- 1:58political life in the year 62.
- 2:01He had once been Nero's tutor and then one of the most powerful men around him.
- 2:05Now he was an older man, rich and famous, in the orbit of an emperor who could turn
- 2:11on anyone.
- 2:12Hold that in mind.
- 2:14Under Nero, treason trials were real, informers were real, and a summons from the
- 2:20palace could end with a forced death.
- 2:23Seneca himself would die in the year 65.
- 2:27Tacitus says Nero ordered it.
- 2:30Other historians say Seneca chose it rather than face execution for his alleged part
- 2:36in a conspiracy.
- 2:37We have to read Letter 70 knowing that the writer lived inside that fear.
- 2:42The letter's title is "On the proper time to slip the cable."
- 2:47That's a sailor's image, and the letter is full of ships.
- 2:51From the memory of Pompeii, Seneca turns to the sea.
- 2:56He writes: "We have sailed past life, Lucilius, as if we were on a voyage."
- 3:02And he quotes the poet Vergil: "Lands and towns are left astern."
- 3:07I find this the loveliest stretch of the letter.
- 3:10He says that on this journey, where time flies with the greatest speed,
- 3:15we put below the horizon first our boyhood, then our youth,
- 3:19then the years between youth and middle age, and next, the best years of old age
- 3:24itself.
- 3:26Each one sinks behind the stern, and you only notice it once it's gone.
- 3:31I imagine Seneca at a window, looking at the water, thinking of the boy who once did
- 3:36all those things in Pompeii.
- 3:38Then he turns the image toward what lies ahead.
- 3:42He writes: "Fools that we are, we believe this bourne to be a dangerous reef; but it
- 3:49is the harbour, where we must some day put in, which we may never refuse to enter."
- 3:55Death, he says, is not the rock that wrecks the ship.
- 3:59It's the harbour the ship was always bound for.
- 4:03And he draws a comparison between sailors.
- 4:06Some, he says, are "tricked and held back by sluggish winds,"
- 4:11and grow weary and sick of the calm, while others are carried quickly home by steady
- 4:16gales.
- 4:18That's the comfort he's offering, and it's a real one.
- 4:21A short life isn't a failed life.
- 4:24A long life isn't automatically a rich one.
- 4:27Someone who has reached the harbour early, he says, has no more right to complain
- 4:32than a sailor who has made a quick voyage.
- 4:36I think many people who've buried someone young have wished for words like that,
- 4:40even while doubting them.
- 4:42But Seneca doesn't stop at comfort.
- 4:44He moves from the voyage to a claim about how a life should be judged,
- 4:49and here is the sentence this episode is named for.
- 4:52He writes: "For mere living is not a good, but living well.
- 4:58Accordingly, the wise man will live as long as he ought, not as long as he can."
- 5:04Taken by itself, that line can sound like plain good sense.
- 5:08A life should be measured by its quality, by who you are with,
- 5:13what you do, and how you carry yourself.
- 5:16Seneca says the wise man "always reflects concerning the quality,
- 5:20and not the quantity, of his life."
- 5:23Many Stoics, and many people who've never read a word of Stoicism,
- 5:26would nod.
- 5:27The trouble is where he takes the thought next.
- 5:30A little further on, he writes: "It is not a question of dying earlier or later,
- 5:36but of dying well or ill."
- 5:39I need to slow down here, because this is the hinge.
- 5:43Seneca was writing under Nero, about tyranny, arbitrary power,
- 5:48and forced death.
- 5:50His examples are of people who believed they were already condemned,
- 5:54and he is arguing about what dignity remains to someone when a ruler holds the power
- 6:00over life.
- 6:02That is the world behind this sentence.
- 6:05It is not a general rule for a bad week, a hard season, or a long illness.
- 6:11And many readers, in his own time and in ours, reject his conclusion.
- 6:16They hold that a life remains worth living in conditions Seneca thought intolerable,
- 6:23and that the argument is simply wrong.
- 6:25Even inside the letter, Seneca admits the ground isn't firm.
- 6:30At one point he writes: "No general statement can be made, therefore,
- 6:34with regard to the question whether, when a power beyond our control threatens us
- 6:38with death, we should anticipate death, or await it."
- 6:43He says there are many arguments pulling in either direction.
- 6:46And he acknowledges opponents.
- 6:48He writes: "You can find men who have gone so far as to profess wisdom and yet
- 6:53maintain that one should not offer violence to one's own life."
- 6:57So he knew that other thoughtful people disagreed with him,
- 7:00and he argued with them anyway.
- 7:03Gummere's own note adds that the Stoics themselves interpreted this problem in
- 7:07different ways.
- 7:09Some held that a noble purpose was needed.
- 7:12Others held that almost any reason would do.
- 7:15And the note points back to Plato's Phaedo, where Socrates says a philosopher must
- 7:19not take his own life against the will of God.
- 7:22Seneca also names Cato in this letter, and why Roman Stoics kept returning to Cato
- 7:28is a story for soon.
- 7:29We'll get to that.
- 7:31There is one more thing to say about Socrates, because Seneca uses him.
- 7:36He points out that Socrates spent thirty days in prison awaiting his sentence,
- 7:42and says he did so to show himself submissive to the laws and to give his friends
- 7:46something to learn from in his last days.
- 7:50Seneca's Socrates is a man who waits, and who makes his waiting mean something.
- 7:56So even the author of this letter doesn't tell one simple story about how to meet an
- 8:01unjust end.
- 8:02Why does a letter like this survive?
- 8:05Partly because it's honest about a fear that was ordinary in Nero's Rome.
- 8:10Seneca saw friends and fellow senators swept away, and he was trying to say
- 8:15something about freedom in a world where freedom was thin.
- 8:20I admire the nerve of the attempt.
- 8:23I don't think it settles the question, and I don't think it was meant to hand a rule
- 8:27to anyone.
- 8:29It's a record of a mind pressed hard by its age.
- 8:32If you're struggling, call or text 988 in the U.S.
- 8:37(Suicide & Crisis Lifeline) or your local line.
- 8:41So I'll leave Seneca where the letter began, with an old man who goes back to a town
- 8:46of his youth and finds the years folded up beside him.
- 8:51He sees the whole voyage at once, the lands and towns left astern,
- 8:57and a harbour ahead that he calls ordinary, not frightening.
- 9:02Whatever we make of the argument he builds from there, that first image of time
- 9:06passing is one of the gentlest he ever drew.
- 9:10Thanks for starting your morning here.